If only these top players bothered to read TH-cam comments and Twitch chat. I mean, with all this great advice I’m sure they could really step up their game.
@Zachary Henke Your underlying message is generally true, but I wouldn't write off everything in a comment section. (I realize you might not have been saying that, but I just wanted to respond to the notion.) Since viewers aren't under pressure, they may be able to see things that the players didn't see during the match, even if the actual professionals are better in practice.
@@lucendence4710 It's only readable in hindsight, not while it's happening. And the reward isn't even that big off of landing a counter, as opposed to punishing with a jab or aerial since they can lead into combos
Liezuli landing a counter can pay off MASSIVELY I dont know what youre talking about especially considering hes fighting a link which is one of the highest damaging characters in the game
@@lucendence4710 Not compared to the risk involved compared to using safer attacks. Sure, a counter can get you a stock, but missing one can cost you a stock. Meanwhile, a jab can also take a stock, but missing one can have little to no consequences.o
@@Liezuli i feel like a lot of edgeguards could've been easily countered. when your opponent is low near the ledge without doublejump he's either going to up-b or die.
@@bluespidrlily "optimal" is a stretch. Camping projectiles only works against new players or people who don't learn. Camp projectiles against someone with just a lick of skill and you'll get crushed
His link was solid, but one thing i feel that would have made it harder for leffen to go in is if scizor short hop boomerang to shut down roy short hop option's, an would have been much easier for link to kill after the boomerang hit's to fair for the easy ko, but GG's.
@@mickylord21 what. did you not read my comment, the short hop boomerang is to stop short hop pressure like short hop nair from roy, thats the whole point in my comment, it would have been more harder for roy to go in, but stopping that pressure means that roy has to take some risk an thats where link shines he wants you to make mistakes for the easy punishes, if you played link youd know that
10:00 I wouldn't have noticed that, I understand why we have commentary for smash, and commentary period. I hear complaints about commentary for smash but I don't know what makes it bad if they're not consistently talking and on topic, and this moment makes me want to say this is good commentary, great job!!!
Leffem really needs to work on his parry if he is gonna play roy. You parry an aerial, suddenly the other character is standing right on top of freaking roy
I have a question, could Roy (leffen) have done a counter as an edgeguard on Link’s up-B. I’ve seen leffen do it to other characters with similar recoveries so i thought it would work here too right?
Not very well. Unless he caught only the last hit, Scizor wouldn't get sent far enough out for it to make much of a difference, due to the hits leading up to the last being so weak.
Air Bear well he made it to top 16 and lost, after taking a set, against one of the best players in Europe who is playing a superior character. And he’s not even a sponsored pro! So yeah, definitely working. It’s not really how I like to play Link but, everyone has their own style. I’m sure zoning doesn’t work as well at that high of a level of play as people know how to get in better.
@@electronicfungus5036 The only thing I could see getting nerfed on him is Jab to Bair. While I personally disagree with the sentiment that kill combo's are a bad thing, I fully disagree with fact that only a few characters have them. Balance the game by using high/top tiers as models for how strong characters need to be to keep up.
Can someone explain to me what happened at 01:57? Shouldn't link be invincible here? My guess is that he either dropped from the ledge while the dtilt was active, or jumped. Because any other option should give him s.
This matchup is fairly even though with a slight edge in favor of Link due solely because of roy's recovery having fire properties to inherently detonate Remote Bombs, which often leads into roy killing himself to try make it back on stage, in the instance of game 1, last stock, scizor screwed himself over by not just simply z-dropping the bomb off the ledge and let roy kill himself OR he could have gone for a stylish finish and fast fall offstage and up-b recovery to intercept leffen drifting back on stage. For a player that is widely considered to be one of the best Links its disappointing that he didn't utilize this when it mattered the most. Also Link in ultimate is 'deceptively' fast in movement options, and although that's pretty universal for every character, he has good frame data that allows for some nifty conversions like fastfall nair > reverse bair > Boomerang > fair. In general reverse bair is one of Link's best offensive tools in establishing neutral as it's knockback at low % compliments conversions from boomerang pretty gracefully in addition to it being relatively safe and a good edgeguarding tool. Check out my demonstration videos to get a better understanding on these things.
MaNDrag GaNon lol no, this MU is garbage for Link. Roy is too fast for Link to even pull out a bomb in neutral let alone zone. And Link’s offensive tools are all either outranged or outframedata’d, plus we are combo food. Offstage Link has the edge but that’s about it.
@Crunchy Gaming i dont blame him he can make SOO much more money streaming than he ever could playing competitively vs the cost of hours upon hours of travel/grinding/placing just outside of cash earning places.
Why does Scizor b-reverse arrow offstage between stocks like that? Is that really something you want to do against someone like Leffen who has potent ledge trapping???
Yeah that link was extremely impressive. His use of bombs to control the stage, recover, and make the ledge safe while still playing a good neutral game is a lot harder than he made it look.
Palu is good. But i dont play a lot so i really dont know. I just know that my palu and lucario are able to beat my friends links. Marth or lucina are also good, and maybe even Zelda
El peor Link de todos en mi opinión, es el Link de Smash Brawl. Demasiado lento, cuesta hacer combos con el que te den la ventaja en su mayoría de veces. Sin duda los mejores Link, son los de SSB64, SSB4, SSBU Y SSBmelee
Haven't seen the whole set, just the first game alone I could tell Leffen was getting ambitious with parrying Link's fair, he's not one to just drop shield
Also I get a lot of people want Leff to stick with the Pokemon Trainer, but I like his roy, definitely has some potential. Chances are Leffen'll find a secondary to cover his weaknesses though
@@DrigoToes He had a double jump and air dodge last stock, he must have already started to pack up so he wasn't paying attention to how he was still alive.
Can we stop calling Leffen bad? How far does he have to go in how many tournaments before we aknowledge that he's good at this game and also not really shit talking anyone anymore.
@@owlflame for some reason i just see a lot of mistakes other pro players wouldnt make but leffen does. Some smaller ones like how his opponent likes to shield then grab. You could just grap when he shields. But leffen jabs. If i saw the opening then a pro player could see it, but leffen never took advantage of that opportunity. He is still better than me leagues tho, has really good fundamentals.
He is better but the reason leffen doesnt play him is because you have to learn 3 times as many match ups and pt gets shit on my characters that ivysaur cant kill
Even if you need to learn more matchups, you can still basically do the same thing against most. There are difficult cases like megaman and pichu, but downthrow up B works on everyone. Zard needs a buff, but he's actually really strong if you are on high percent and the opponent mid percent with no kill throw
Gard Ruben Fauske he has got back throw on the league and up throw but they are a bit inconsistent I will say that but off stage zard can edge gaurd a good amount characters with fair and dair
@@Keegan006 I meant characters with no kill throw will struggle to kill zard, because if they pressure his shield and dont go for grab he can up smash OOS and kill early
@@Hakeemthedr3am well, for example, at 7:20, leffen could have MAYBE survived that fair if he DI'd down and left. Because of how the DI works in this game, you can shift your horizontal direction but holding up or down alters the vertical knockback of a move that does not go straight up. At that moment, based on the direction he flew, i would say he angled up and right, aiming for the top right corner of the screen (which is the optimal DI in melee) but that ultimately increased the amount of knockback he received and it completely destroyed him off the top. If he held down and left, he may have actually lived.
@@Hakeemthedr3am theoretically yes, but that would push his trajectory off the right side of the screen and he would likely die there. Since most moves already angle towards that top corner, down and left provides optimal life at really high percents like that
@@RellekEarth Left wouldnt have changed his angle enough to save him, it would have just slowed him down, down right would have saved him since holding down slows him and holding right gives him more distance to the blast zone
lol he was making a big deal of him throwing away his bomb and not using it for his recovery at the end xD but he was at like 180% if he did he would die xD no sour spot on that lol
I’m probably going to get a lot of hate for this and idc, but fire emblem players literally just hop and slash hop and slash. I hardly see any combos from them. It’s like spamming. And I feel like it requires little to no skill to troll other good players out of a real fight. Aka MkLeo
... You saying that MkLeo is not good? I think the thing you don't relize is that none of Ikes arials for example (or any other sword figther for that matter) is acutally safe unless spaced to only hit the tip. MkLeo might very well be one of the best poeple in the world with spacing, so that is how he is that good with Ike. It is right that they dont usually do that many combos, since they don't have any execpt very small once (like 2-3 hits, maybe a bit more depending on % an character weight) MkLeo is the best at this game right now, and to say that he trolles players out with spamming is a very overgenerelised thing to say, since how he playes is not at easy as it looks
@@mcbanana1473 Ike is pretty easy to pick up, but he is still hard to master IMO, also, his recovery is not that bad, since he can use side B as a pretty good recovery tool. Chrom is also really easy to learn and play at low level since most people dont edgeguard him, but on mid-hight level play that weaknes shines through a lot. But I totally agree, playing FE characters is not easy at all in high level play
I know you are trying out new mains but this is really boring compared to your edge of my seat Pokemon Trainer play. I know you want to switch, I actually hope you go with Young Link, so then you have fun, we have fun and you can stay competitive. Good game though, rooting for you.
yeah, think this character is a bit to simple for him (at least from what he has said in his streams) but I think the reason he uses him is because that he needed a easy character to get good at fast to play at summit. I think and hope he will switch to Ylink, since he seems a bit more of his style (normally like to watch swordfighters, but IMO Leffen is more exiting as a more techincal character, since he has the capabilitys to actually be good with a thechnial character)
*does one Fair offstage*
"THE LEFFEN EDGEGUARD!"
''Fair''? Haha; the Than0s in the little comments box giving it large. Can't see you up there
Pardon?
*does a bowser-sized bulbasaur dair at ledge*
"YOOOOOOOOOO"
@@netweed09 what?
Zapkido “bulbasaur”
3:40 hi esam
hi esam
hi esam
hi esam
Hi gaysam
7:32 there's me in the green sweater and beanie to the left of Leffen lmao
If only these top players bothered to read TH-cam comments and Twitch chat. I mean, with all this great advice I’m sure they could really step up their game.
Zachary Henke sarcasm?
@@lk7831 sarcasm.
Sammy The Seal good
@Zachary Henke Your underlying message is generally true, but I wouldn't write off everything in a comment section. (I realize you might not have been saying that, but I just wanted to respond to the notion.) Since viewers aren't under pressure, they may be able to see things that the players didn't see during the match, even if the actual professionals are better in practice.
Every god damn match with an FE character there's always people in the comments like
"wHY dIdN'T hE jUSt cOuNTeR!?!?"
I mean yeah he couldve countered alot of readable attacks but whatever i mean hes under pressure
@@lucendence4710 It's only readable in hindsight, not while it's happening. And the reward isn't even that big off of landing a counter, as opposed to punishing with a jab or aerial since they can lead into combos
Liezuli landing a counter can pay off MASSIVELY I dont know what youre talking about especially considering hes fighting a link which is one of the highest damaging characters in the game
@@lucendence4710 Not compared to the risk involved compared to using safer attacks. Sure, a counter can get you a stock, but missing one can cost you a stock. Meanwhile, a jab can also take a stock, but missing one can have little to no consequences.o
@@Liezuli i feel like a lot of edgeguards could've been easily countered. when your opponent is low near the ledge without doublejump he's either going to up-b or die.
This link didn't camp behind projectiles like a wiener the whole set, respect
@@bluespidrlily "optimal" is a stretch. Camping projectiles only works against new players or people who don't learn. Camp projectiles against someone with just a lick of skill and you'll get crushed
@@bluespidrlily You need to demonstrate that that's optimal.
@@cole3433 That really just depends on the character and play style.
Stick to online, dude
@@bluespidrlily
"Optimal"
_pfffft_
Leffen be like
1.I’m gonna main inkling
2. Jk I like pichu and wolf
3. Peach is also ok
4. *Mains Roy*
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i mean i did the same but roy is my secondary
Jwg II you forgot his Pokémon trainer
Aura Master this was after he dropped pt
Jwg II oh ok
7:28 don’t mind me esam here just chillin
His movements make me think he is a female
His link was solid, but one thing i feel that would have made it harder for leffen to go in is if scizor short hop boomerang to shut down roy short hop option's, an would have been much easier for link to kill after the boomerang hit's to fair for the easy ko, but GG's.
@@matthewkoester1640 He did do pretty well, but that's the reason why he lost. Leffen was doing a great job of avoiding the bomb though
He lost cause this matchup is poop. Tossing a boomerang here is a huge risk because roy could rush in with a nair and get easy damage
It seems like everyone replying missed the sarcasm here.
@@gmacgregorgm pretty easy to miss when there's not even a hint that it's sarcasm besides your own opinion about the topic.
@@mickylord21 what. did you not read my comment, the short hop boomerang is to stop short hop pressure like short hop nair from roy, thats the whole point in my comment, it would have been more harder for roy to go in, but stopping that pressure means that roy has to take some risk an thats where link shines he wants you to make mistakes for the easy punishes, if you played link youd know that
9:57 "Sometimes you just want the safe punish, you just want to know that you did ..."
10:00: LEFFEN: "FUCK THAT SHIT! SEND HIM TO HELL"
10:00 I wouldn't have noticed that, I understand why we have commentary for smash, and commentary period. I hear complaints about commentary for smash but I don't know what makes it bad if they're not consistently talking and on topic, and this moment makes me want to say this is good commentary, great job!!!
3:42 highlight of the set
The wild esam in the back
Leffem really needs to work on his parry if he is gonna play roy. You parry an aerial, suddenly the other character is standing right on top of freaking roy
Never thought of that but you right. Going to try to incorporate that more.
Great advice, thanks
Man I bet you could best him one on one with Roy. LMFAO
Dude he wasn't even making bad criticism lol..
@@arsenaltg1 just weird when a amateur critiques a professional is what I was getting at.
I have a question, could Roy (leffen) have done a counter as an edgeguard on Link’s up-B. I’ve seen leffen do it to other characters with similar recoveries so i thought it would work here too right?
Not very well. Unless he caught only the last hit, Scizor wouldn't get sent far enough out for it to make much of a difference, due to the hits leading up to the last being so weak.
I’ve never seen a Link use so few projectiles. I guess it works for him though...
Air Bear well he made it to top 16 and lost, after taking a set, against one of the best players in Europe who is playing a superior character. And he’s not even a sponsored pro! So yeah, definitely working. It’s not really how I like to play Link but, everyone has their own style. I’m sure zoning doesn’t work as well at that high of a level of play as people know how to get in better.
He’s one of the best link’s in the world
chonnyes well... Salem isn’t maiming him anymore but he’s still probably better.
and I've never seen a fire emblem player not use their down b counter
Roy gets in your face really quick, especially on small stages
Finally someone God tier using my main. Roy's our boy
I have a feeling he's gonna get nerfed
Oi You Why? I don’t think Roy’s op at all
Serenity Of Light characters don’t get nerfed if they’re OP, characters get nerfed if people complain about them. Look at king k rool
@@electronicfungus5036 The only thing I could see getting nerfed on him is Jab to Bair. While I personally disagree with the sentiment that kill combo's are a bad thing, I fully disagree with fact that only a few characters have them. Balance the game by using high/top tiers as models for how strong characters need to be to keep up.
Roy is the Boy
How do you do that bair from ledge onto stage that leffen does at 0:36?
Drop down from ledge, jump and bair while moving to the stage
The Roy Link match up is always entertaining
Is void commentating? I can’t tell
Yea he is. A breath of fresh air id say
man that was stressful
Roy is such a stressful character to watch, he dies easily if the player is not careful but one good hit and he gives you 70%
@@perkypears ya i play roy myself and sometimes im afraid to edge guard cus i dont want to kill myself lol
Can someone explain to me what happened at 01:57? Shouldn't link be invincible here? My guess is that he either dropped from the ledge while the dtilt was active, or jumped. Because any other option should give him s.
Yeah, I think he dropped down to try and FAir onto stage
men i thought that was Salem
Damnnn leffen, that was good. I was conflicted because i love both these players but i decided to root for you. Good games
*root for you
@@elyesmercier8908 oops
This matchup is fairly even though with a slight edge in favor of Link due solely because of roy's recovery having fire properties to inherently detonate Remote Bombs, which often leads into roy killing himself to try make it back on stage, in the instance of game 1, last stock, scizor screwed himself over by not just simply z-dropping the bomb off the ledge and let roy kill himself OR he could have gone for a stylish finish and fast fall offstage and up-b recovery to intercept leffen drifting back on stage. For a player that is widely considered to be one of the best Links its disappointing that he didn't utilize this when it mattered the most.
Also Link in ultimate is 'deceptively' fast in movement options, and although that's pretty universal for every character, he has good frame data that allows for some nifty conversions like fastfall nair > reverse bair > Boomerang > fair. In general reverse bair is one of Link's best offensive tools in establishing neutral as it's knockback at low % compliments conversions from boomerang pretty gracefully in addition to it being relatively safe and a good edgeguarding tool. Check out my demonstration videos to get a better understanding on these things.
MaNDrag GaNon lol no, this MU is garbage for Link. Roy is too fast for Link to even pull out a bomb in neutral let alone zone. And Link’s offensive tools are all either outranged or outframedata’d, plus we are combo food. Offstage Link has the edge but that’s about it.
is esam literally in the background of every match
3:41 HIIIIII I SEE U
ESAM cooling in the back :^)
Is Zero actually playing this game competitively or is he just playing world of light on his youtube?
@Crunchy Gaming i dont blame him he can make SOO much more money streaming than he ever could playing competitively vs the cost of hours upon hours of travel/grinding/placing just outside of cash earning places.
Crunchy Gaming It’s MUCH more than he earned in tourneys. He earns more money streaming than a person winning a tournament.
He's going to compete at Summit so we have that to look forward to
How do they change the character select music?
SASKUTO You have to beat adventure mode unfortunately
I love Void's commentary
Looks like Scizor couldn't handle that fire.
I'll show myself out.
LMAO
Roy: (uses Flare Blade)
Scizor: I'm done for!
I feel like there were many opportunities for leffen to use counter. He didn't use it one time. Need to make them respect the move.
True, also noticed that. Its really bad to throw out too much - but also bad to never use it i think
He never used it to edgeguard, it's pretty powerful when you know your opponent needs to throw out a move.
Agree michael! Preston, you're an idiot shut up and go back to CPU lvl 5.
On Link's down airs is fine but counter always sucks it's so easy to punish horribly hard.
@@ElDrHouse2010 did you see how many times link recovered above the ledge with up-B? that's easily punishable with counter.
Why does Scizor b-reverse arrow offstage between stocks like that? Is that really something you want to do against someone like Leffen who has potent ledge trapping???
Late reply but its for the bomb recovery since the bomb spawns in front of you for the most part.
Hi Esam :):):)
Brandon Evans I saw that too
Leffen is proff that, despair brings you to fire emblem picks.
Coyote Gris he is the skilled roy now
@@3gamerguysthatgame Still lost to a Fox
I love how link was played! I think it was pretty good :0
Yeah that link was extremely impressive. His use of bombs to control the stage, recover, and make the ledge safe while still playing a good neutral game is a lot harder than he made it look.
Anyone have any advice for beating links? (Character, playstyle, etc.)
Palu is good. But i dont play a lot so i really dont know. I just know that my palu and lucario are able to beat my friends links. Marth or lucina are also good, and maybe even Zelda
The middle hitbox Vs. Scizor
Yoooo scizor, arrow, french, T and iZaw are the best links.
Also 11:14 RIP wish he sticked to his game plan of projectile and nair edgeguards
Wb Salem's link?
@@OG_johnsmith him too, but i really don't like him :l
Is that Void commentating ?
yea
Top 16 is wild
that battle was so epic
este link de ultimate es muchisimo mejor al link de smash 4 !!!
Si, este Link es muy buen personaje.
El peor Link de todos en mi opinión, es el Link de Smash Brawl. Demasiado lento, cuesta hacer combos con el que te den la ventaja en su mayoría de veces. Sin duda los mejores Link, son los de SSB64, SSB4, SSBU Y SSBmelee
It’s crazy how much better Hyper is at Roy!
Correction: More entertaining!
However wouldn’t doubt the first part 🤷🏾♂️
i would
JOB LIAR cool 👍🏾
@@sendo8406 thanks
JOB LIAR no problem bud
this was a beautiful game
Lol ESAM chillin in the background
Is that Esuck in the back?
I'm confused....Leffen said he wants to main pichu or young link...ends up as Roy?? WTF??
zephyrius1 the leffen mixup
As a link main i've always had a lot of respect for Scizor. But damn his bomb plays were weak in these matches.
Haven't seen the whole set, just the first game alone I could tell Leffen was getting ambitious with parrying Link's fair, he's not one to just drop shield
Also I get a lot of people want Leff to stick with the Pokemon Trainer, but I like his roy, definitely has some potential. Chances are Leffen'll find a secondary to cover his weaknesses though
Scizor shaking his head as if the matchup is hard on his end. Haha.
I think it was for the error at not using bomb recovery at the last stock
@@DrigoToes He had a double jump and air dodge last stock, he must have already started to pack up so he wasn't paying attention to how he was still alive.
@@jonathanodude6660 I think Leffen Catched his double jump when Scizor tried to return from the ledge to the stage. He panicked.
@@DrigoToes actually, I think in ultimate, when you're hit from ledge, you don't gain your double jump back
he made it hard on himself using that many bombs through out the match to be honest.
Can we stop calling Leffen bad? How far does he have to go in how many tournaments before we aknowledge that he's good at this game and also not really shit talking anyone anymore.
Its cuz he plays roy and im not saying roy is a noskill i am a roy main myself and i know people sadly think hes a spam
@@lucendence4710 You.... don't know who Leffen is, do you?
owlflame lol he doesnt even know who to main
@@lucendence4710 And that makes him.......... bad?
Do you know who to main? Are you, therefor, better than Leffen? I'm curious.
@@owlflame for some reason i just see a lot of mistakes other pro players wouldnt make but leffen does. Some smaller ones like how his opponent likes to shield then grab. You could just grap when he shields. But leffen jabs. If i saw the opening then a pro player could see it, but leffen never took advantage of that opportunity. He is still better than me leagues tho, has really good fundamentals.
Honestly, Scizor needs to use the boomerang and arrows more.
Great Link player.
Leffen is a fighting game genius.
That first stock tho
wtf why is roy so stupidly fast, link gets bodied so easily. zoning him out was so hard for scizor
leffen should use roys counter to counter links up b its OP
NO ONE counters when using the marth clones. Or marth for some reason
@@Hakeemthedr3am cause it's usually so useless they forget it's a move.
@@colonelcider8292 counter destroys characters with slow up bs like ike
@@etikalovesminecraft7844 I'd say pre chrom nerf up B
Cheese all the victories
@@colonelcider8292 if you time the counter right even pre patch up b will get fucked
Pokemon Trainer is better
He is better but the reason leffen doesnt play him is because you have to learn 3 times as many match ups and pt gets shit on my characters that ivysaur cant kill
Leffen doesn’t like Charizard
Even if you need to learn more matchups, you can still basically do the same thing against most. There are difficult cases like megaman and pichu, but downthrow up B works on everyone.
Zard needs a buff, but he's actually really strong if you are on high percent and the opponent mid percent with no kill throw
Gard Ruben Fauske he has got back throw on the league and up throw but they are a bit inconsistent I will say that but off stage zard can edge gaurd a good amount characters with fair and dair
@@Keegan006 I meant characters with no kill throw will struggle to kill zard, because if they pressure his shield and dont go for grab he can up smash OOS and kill early
SZOR lookin like test tube gub gub snail man
Let's go big leff.
Can they nerf Roy’s voice tho
Exile the star ko noise is terrifying
The best part about Roy is the aggressive, angry screams that accompany a sweetspot forward smash.
Leffen Roy lookin nice
Leffen roy is pretty good and this link was cool doesnt spam arrows and bombs 24/7 online links are annoying compared to local links
I feel like leffen is only winning in this game because he doesn't choke with his experience
He choked hard against zd tbh
WhY PlaY RoY?! ChRomE is BetTa.
`98% of pro smash players.
Larmar Florian the answer to that question is that Roy can go offstage more thanks to his up-B being anglable. Fyi
It was mainly just ZeRo, and he changed his mind anyway
Chrome was better until he was nerfed
@@patrikmelkersson7825 He's always been able to do that. That's not a good enough excuse besides people judge too early. "Fyi".
@@Liezuli It wasn't just ZeRo. Lmao Leffen said the same thing. Now he's using Roy. All because Chrom dies first with his Up B. Lol silly reason.
Leffens is DI ing as if he is in melee. Its killing him here lol
Wdym im honestly curious
@@Hakeemthedr3am well, for example, at 7:20, leffen could have MAYBE survived that fair if he DI'd down and left. Because of how the DI works in this game, you can shift your horizontal direction but holding up or down alters the vertical knockback of a move that does not go straight up.
At that moment, based on the direction he flew, i would say he angled up and right, aiming for the top right corner of the screen (which is the optimal DI in melee) but that ultimately increased the amount of knockback he received and it completely destroyed him off the top. If he held down and left, he may have actually lived.
@@RellekEarth wouldnt down and right be the most optimal in that situation though? To get into the corner
@@Hakeemthedr3am theoretically yes, but that would push his trajectory off the right side of the screen and he would likely die there. Since most moves already angle towards that top corner, down and left provides optimal life at really high percents like that
@@RellekEarth Left wouldnt have changed his angle enough to save him, it would have just slowed him down, down right would have saved him since holding down slows him and holding right gives him more distance to the blast zone
lol he was making a big deal of him throwing away his bomb and not using it for his recovery at the end xD but he was at like 180% if he did he would die xD no sour spot on that lol
So Explosive!
Big Leff!
I love edge guarding with link all you have to do is short hop nair
BIG LEFF
i thought that nigga played with young link now
Is it just me or does Leffen look really bad in this set. I don't know if Roy is his best pick
Lets go Leff
What anime did people watch for them to be encouraged to say advantage and disadvantage
that doesn’t make sense
What
Its a general fg term
I think it's a reference to leffen since he was triggered by those terms. However term makes sense alongside the term neutral
Both of those words have been used in competitive Smash for years, mate.
My dogs name is nimbus lol
LEFF
I hate leffen.
But my hate has been suspended for this one game.
Smh these commentators can't tell a fair from a back air
I’m probably going to get a lot of hate for this and idc, but fire emblem players literally just hop and slash hop and slash. I hardly see any combos from them. It’s like spamming. And I feel like it requires little to no skill to troll other good players out of a real fight. Aka MkLeo
... You saying that MkLeo is not good? I think the thing you don't relize is that none of Ikes arials for example (or any other sword figther for that matter) is acutally safe unless spaced to only hit the tip. MkLeo might very well be one of the best poeple in the world with spacing, so that is how he is that good with Ike. It is right that they dont usually do that many combos, since they don't have any execpt very small once (like 2-3 hits, maybe a bit more depending on % an character weight) MkLeo is the best at this game right now, and to say that he trolles players out with spamming is a very overgenerelised thing to say, since how he playes is not at easy as it looks
@@mcbanana1473 Ike is pretty easy to pick up, but he is still hard to master IMO, also, his recovery is not that bad, since he can use side B as a pretty good recovery tool. Chrom is also really easy to learn and play at low level since most people dont edgeguard him, but on mid-hight level play that weaknes shines through a lot. But I totally agree, playing FE characters is not easy at all in high level play
Roy for noobs
@@ClemBuh you probably lost to a roy on quickplay lol
@@angelgonzalez4871 No , but The swordfighter are braindead
Animal Crossing stages without Kapp'n's Song should not be legal, don't @ me
terrible commentators smh
Bam? Top player VoiD? You think they're bad at this? Okay go off, but I'd like to see you do better then these two
@@roryrainbow77 you don't have to be a good commentator to criticize/see someone's commentary is bad
This coming from a guy named Harry balsac
@@roryrainbow77 being a top player doesn't automatically mean you'd be a good commentator smh
Ocho yeah? What's wrong with his commentary though?
nerf roy
Leffen blows.
Roy for Noobs
Is leffen gay?
DBZD No he has a girlfriend named Jennie
Is he also a shrimp boat captain? He just seems off to me. Does he dye his hair silver?
I actually think i can beat dude whos playing as link
Leffen has some tiny arms.
I know you are trying out new mains but this is really boring compared to your edge of my seat Pokemon Trainer play. I know you want to switch, I actually hope you go with Young Link, so then you have fun, we have fun and you can stay competitive. Good game though, rooting for you.
yeah, think this character is a bit to simple for him (at least from what he has said in his streams) but I think the reason he uses him is because that he needed a easy character to get good at fast to play at summit. I think and hope he will switch to Ylink, since he seems a bit more of his style (normally like to watch swordfighters, but IMO Leffen is more exiting as a more techincal character, since he has the capabilitys to actually be good with a thechnial character)
Well said dude.
Stop saying swordies.
BIG LEFF
Stop saying swordies.