I inherited my brothers norinco 213 when he died. It is a pretty accurate pistol. I had it cleaned when I first got it and he lost ( and didn't mention it ) the extraction spring. It was NOT easy to find one to replace it. A local Sheriff's Deputy in my area was suggested to me and he took it and cleaned it, replaced the spring and tested it at the range. He said that it is a GREAT weapon. I don't think it has been fired in around 6 years. But if i need it to work, it WILL.
These guns were going for 100 dollars brand new in the mid 90s... I bought one and could not believe how accurate it was and I couldn't force it to jam.
I had one of these once. It was a great gun. I miss my Norinco 1911. Apparently our relationship with China has improved since everything we buy is from their, so I think they should bring Norinco back....
I've had a Norinco 213 for over 10 years now and while I wouldn't consider it a adequate carry gun, it is certainly reliable. At one point, i even made the mistake of firing some L7A1 submachine gun rounds through it. I didn't realize what I had until I fired the first few shots and was confused as to why I felt like I was firing my .357 Magnum! The gun survived that somehow and has worked fine ever since. It's an ergonomic nightmare, but a decent gun for the money when you can find one.
I love the primative curves to this 1930s pistol. Kind of like a locomotive from the same era. I also love running around the woods and shooting my buddies with my airsoft replica.
I have a 213A Norinco with a double stack magazine. I only had one magazine but found that I could engineer a Browning Hi Cap mag to fit by brazing a small piece of metal around the top of the magazine locking notch. I really like mine. The difference is my Norinco was machined very nicely inside and out. I wish I could find another one. I paid $225.00 for the one I have and now with 3 magazines I wouldn't take five-hundred bucks for it...my sights are also a bit better.
I probably have over 2000 rounds through my 213 and it did have a spot on the frame that got very lightly mashed. I did a little filing and it should be good for another couple thousand rounds. As someone else stated I would stay away from +p ammo to extend the life of the pistol. Some ammo doesn't feed very well, i.e. hollow points, UMC 115 grain fmj ammo works perfect in mine.
Yes, the original came in 7.62x25, there was many copies. I know when they are imported they have to install a manual safety, and there was a recall not long ago on these and their duplicates, so be carefull with whatever model you have and check any and all recalls for safety. Nice model and thanks Thoutdoor9 for the review!!
I've had a norinco tokerev auto pistol in 7.62x25 for around 30 years now and I am way over the 2000 round count at this point and I mean wayyy over. And lot of folks talk about their barrels being pitted which seems strange to me as mine was new in the box and had a hard chromed barrel it looks the same as the day I bought it. P.s. hope yourmhealth is better.
The quality aside I think the rarity of these makes them worth having. I bought one a while back just to keep in my collection and I thought it a good investment considering I wouldn't have to stock another odd caliber. But I plan on picking up a Romanian or other model in 7.62x25 as well. Only functional differences prior to import are the barrel, mag, and a magwell shim as the 9x19 magazine is thinner front to back to accommodate the shorter cartridge.
The Norinco Tokarev clones came in several different qualities and styles. I've owned at least 9 of them. The one in your video is one of the lessor quality ones made for the American market, or so it seems. The fit and finish on some rivals that of other fine handguns. Some look like Tokegypts, with the characteristic grips, etc. I have never owned one of the Norinco Tokarev clones as rough as the one in your illustration. Thanks for posting that video; I found it interesting.
EXCELLENT review, excellent video in quality and contents. I loved the shooting, the lighting, the macros, it's a great review. And, by the way, the TT33 isn't a copy of the 1911... nope, at all... I tell ya!
I just bought a 213 from a friend today. It seems to be in wonderful shape, however, the sighting is way, way off. At about 50 ft. or slightly less than 20 yards, the shots were generally 2-3 feet too high (yes, we were aiming correctly). We missed the target for all 8 rounds in both clips and was putting holes through the fence at eye level when the target was on the ground. It looks like a fixed rear sight...is there anyway to adjust ? Thanks tn
Given the choice between a Norinco or a Jennings, Raven, Jimenez, Davis, Cobra or a Hi Point, I'll take the Norinco since the Tokarev platform is a proven design. Many years ago, had to make that choice and buying more popular brands at the time was not an option and I needed a weapon and saving due to bills and rent was not possible either. Hackage it may have been but it shot straight and reliabily. You can't say the same for the above brands.
@waseem1173 Is it imported or non-import? Non-imports are the originals, with no added on import safeties. They usually run $400-600 for ones not even in that great of condition.
@Musicisliberation it's a single action semi auto like 1911s when you pull the slide back it cocks the hammer and every time the weapon fires it recocks it as opposed to a double action where you can pull the trigger and fire without ever cocking the hammer just like on a revolver
My Norinco is deadly accurate, I had a cop friend of mine shoot it at about 30 feet and in 14 rounds he was within 2" on all of them. My Norinco is absolutely sweet. It has low recoil, it is also rated as the best "cheap" handgun on the planet for price, recoil, CC, and accuracy. It was tested against major brands like SW and Colt and beat them for best buy.
Very cool video on a very interesting weapon. I can't help but wonder if the 2,000 round life expectancy was perhaps a typo - maybe intended to read "20,000"? Just seems like an awfully low number.
I have a 213 too, It may not be top notch, got two spare mags. Now when I take it out for a shot out, On all three mags the slide would lock back on the third or forth round fired! Too bad for that, Cause I like the slim line for conceal carry!
Hi ! Did you test the 7.62x25 mm, what's your opinion ? And i like yours long range (200 yards) videos : M1 Carabine, SKS, 1911... but i didn't find a video when you try with a 9x19 mm, maybe you will do that with the Browning Hi-power for example, i'm surprised an interesting character like you doesn't have a BHP... Thanks by advance Joe
@bobsolla No original TT-30 or TT-33 were made with manual safeties and as they've not been made since the '40s it unlikely to feature on any Tokarev. Also US import laws don't apply as the USSR never marketed the TT-33 in the states.
tnoutdoors9 when you said that it has a service life of 2000 rds are you saying that the gun will last for 2000 rds or are you saying that it has shot 2000 rds.
Type 54(TT33) is actually licensed I think. Like the type 56(AK47/SKS)and 53(Mosin Nagant). It was back then, when China had good relationship with the USSR.
I have this gun, I got in the late 1980's and have fired it a few times. I feel that the spring in the gun it too strong. It take a lot of force to chamber the first round. I also find the triger hard/tight. Do you think putting a lighter spring in the gun, polishing the slide and frame and getting a triger job would be worth the effort? I was thinking of using it as my CHL gun. What do you think? Thanks
i have a norinco model 213a what is the difference between the 213 and the 213a?? i noticed my slide release is different from the gun your reviewing. just wondering how much my gun is worth, heard around 150 to 160 i paid 50 bucks for mine
@justingeist I actually prefer Norinco AKs to most any other AK variants. The quality control is pretty good on most of them. The recievers and barrels are also thicker and more rigid. Norinco AK's like the Mak 90 are in most cases more accurate than most AKs that have a thinner reciever.
Aesthetically and internally it's very similar to a 1903, but in absolutely no way a copy. The mechanism features several unique innovations of Tokerav. A good comparison would be the Makarov to the Walther PPK. It might look very, very similar aesthetically, but the actual mechanism is very unique to the designer.
I own one of these as well but i have one gripe. I have to manually cock the hammer before i can pull the slide back. Do you have this problem? Not a big deal.. just annoying.
2000 rds is WAAAAY low this is a typo. this is a tough gun even though the finish is not the best, it is all steel! things made in china are crappy i agree but they make some nice firearm copies! for example AK variants... probably the best AK you can find
2000 rounds, minimum, for hot military steel jacketed ball. These numbers are production factory warranty, so to say. If you use good quality moderate copper jacketed ammo, and let barrel cool down between many shots, it should go long way.
Wow. That slide looks poorly machined. But I guess for $100+ what could you expect? Glad to see the weathers nice there. Here in VA we've seen nothing but rain for the last week and a half.
I'm okay with this Chinese gun. We have two of them. They are legitimate products of Russian-Chinese deals and not unauthorized copies but are a little crude. The older pistols were much more rough than what was made more recently. Polishing was needed.
@Gloomshadow1 Any weapon with a Colt/Browning lineage should last more than 2000 rounds, Tokarevs included. I recently bought one of these again. Had one before when the choice was Jennings/Jimenez, Hi Point or the Norinco 213, I chose the Norinco. You could do a whole lot worse than a Tokarev of any nationality.
Regular TT33 recoil spring work in these and help retain reliability. If you need mags zastava M88 mags will fit these and are of higher quality than the original chinese mags.
I inherited my brothers norinco 213 when he died. It is a pretty accurate pistol. I had it cleaned when I first got it and he lost ( and didn't mention it ) the extraction spring. It was NOT easy to find one to replace it. A local Sheriff's Deputy in my area was suggested to me and he took it and cleaned it, replaced the spring and tested it at the range. He said that it is a GREAT weapon. I don't think it has been fired in around 6 years. But if i need it to work, it WILL.
I just picked one up for 200 with 3 mags and a holster. Gotta love when people need to get rid of stuff.
I have had this model for 21 years ,Great gun, Fires Nice and Disassembles easy for cleaning,Very good gun.
These guns were going for 100 dollars brand new in the mid 90s... I bought one and could not believe how accurate it was and I couldn't force it to jam.
4:38 you can see all those bullets bounce off the target! Pretty darn cool. Great vid.
I had one of these once. It was a great gun. I miss my Norinco 1911. Apparently our relationship with China has improved since everything we buy is from their, so I think they should bring Norinco back....
I've had a Norinco 213 for over 10 years now and while I wouldn't consider it a adequate carry gun, it is certainly reliable. At one point, i even made the mistake of firing some L7A1 submachine gun rounds through it. I didn't realize what I had until I fired the first few shots and was confused as to why I felt like I was firing my .357 Magnum! The gun survived that somehow and has worked fine ever since. It's an ergonomic nightmare, but a decent gun for the money when you can find one.
I love the primative curves to this 1930s pistol. Kind of like a locomotive from the same era. I also love running around the woods and shooting my buddies with my airsoft replica.
short and sweet well done keep the gun reviews coming
I have a 213A Norinco with a double stack magazine. I only had one magazine but found that I could engineer a Browning Hi Cap mag to fit by brazing a small piece of metal around the top of the magazine locking notch. I really like mine. The difference is my Norinco was machined very nicely inside and out. I wish I could find another one. I paid $225.00 for the one I have and now with 3 magazines I wouldn't take five-hundred bucks for it...my sights are also a bit better.
Tokarev pistols are good guns, gritty but reliable. Nice little historical piece, and for the money most are pretty decent shooters.
I probably have over 2000 rounds through my 213 and it did have a spot on the frame that got very lightly mashed. I did a little filing and it should be good for another couple thousand rounds.
As someone else stated I would stay away from +p ammo to extend the life of the pistol. Some ammo doesn't feed very well, i.e. hollow points, UMC 115 grain fmj ammo works perfect in mine.
I have one and I love it.
Yes, the original came in 7.62x25, there was many copies. I know when they are imported they have to install a manual safety, and there was a recall not long ago on these and their duplicates, so be carefull with whatever model you have and check any and all recalls for safety. Nice model and thanks Thoutdoor9 for the review!!
Sweet. Picking up my 1950 Tokarev TT-33 tomorrow
I've had a norinco tokerev auto pistol in 7.62x25 for around 30 years now and I am way over the 2000 round count at this point and I mean wayyy over. And lot of folks talk about their barrels being pitted which seems strange to me as mine was new in the box and had a hard chromed barrel it looks the same as the day I bought it. P.s. hope yourmhealth is better.
Those are neat little pistols, but I had no idea their service life was so short!
The quality aside I think the rarity of these makes them worth having. I bought one a while back just to keep in my collection and I thought it a good investment considering I wouldn't have to stock another odd caliber. But I plan on picking up a Romanian or other model in 7.62x25 as well. Only functional differences prior to import are the barrel, mag, and a magwell shim as the 9x19 magazine is thinner front to back to accommodate the shorter cartridge.
Friend of mine just acquired one of these all boxed up and everything
The Norinco Tokarev clones came in several different qualities and styles. I've owned at least 9 of them. The one in your video is one of the lessor quality ones made for the American market, or so it seems. The fit and finish on some rivals that of other fine handguns. Some look like Tokegypts, with the characteristic grips, etc. I have never owned one of the Norinco Tokarev clones as rough as the one in your illustration. Thanks for posting that video; I found it interesting.
Sound is pretty nice and I am going to buy it 4 days later
EXCELLENT review, excellent video in quality and contents.
I loved the shooting, the lighting, the macros, it's a great review.
And, by the way,
the TT33 isn't a copy of the 1911... nope, at all... I tell ya!
I just bought a 213 from a friend today. It seems to be in wonderful shape, however, the sighting is way, way off. At about 50 ft. or slightly less than 20 yards, the shots were generally 2-3 feet too high (yes, we were aiming correctly). We missed the target for all 8 rounds in both clips and was putting holes through the fence at eye level when the target was on the ground. It looks like a fixed rear sight...is there anyway to adjust ? Thanks tn
Thanks a lot for the demo
Just don't worry, it will get better, you won't be dissapointed.
Very good review also :)
I love mine .its pretty accurate. Fun at the range .very low recoil .
Rare to see a "Made in China" product not made of plastic and works.
Given the choice between a Norinco or a Jennings, Raven, Jimenez, Davis, Cobra or a Hi Point, I'll take the Norinco since the Tokarev platform is a proven design. Many years ago, had to make that choice and buying more popular brands at the time was not an option and I needed a weapon and saving due to bills and rent was not possible either. Hackage it may have been but it shot straight and reliabily. You can't say the same for the above brands.
@waseem1173 Is it imported or non-import? Non-imports are the originals, with no added on import safeties. They usually run $400-600 for ones not even in that great of condition.
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Well done review. thanks
@Musicisliberation it's a single action semi auto like 1911s when you pull the slide back it cocks the hammer and every time the weapon fires it recocks it as opposed to a double action where you can pull the trigger and fire without ever cocking the hammer just like on a revolver
Thank you John Moses Browning! Great design! lol....joking...good vid...excellent info and history!
My Norinco is deadly accurate, I had a cop friend of mine shoot it at about 30 feet and in 14 rounds he was within 2" on all of them. My Norinco is absolutely sweet. It has low recoil, it is also rated as the best "cheap" handgun on the planet for price, recoil, CC, and accuracy. It was tested against major brands like SW and Colt and beat them for best buy.
A little rough but a killer non the less. Good cold war gun.
the rating was for the tokarev cartridge-7.62 x 25 a corrosive round loaded to 1,450fps,the 9mm is a lot milder averaging about 1,000 fps.
Very cool video on a very interesting weapon. I can't help but wonder if the 2,000 round life expectancy was perhaps a typo - maybe intended to read "20,000"? Just seems like an awfully low number.
I just got mine and its old and it works just fine
Shooting tests are more significant when there is something to penetrate, even if wet phone books or wood.
I have a 213 too, It may not be top notch, got two spare mags. Now when I take it out for a shot out, On all three mags the slide would lock back on the third or forth round fired! Too bad for that, Cause I like the slim line for conceal carry!
tnoutdoors whats the best place to get some bbq in nashville? gonna be visiting some family there coming up
the new versions sold here in the Philippines have a matte finish and has hogue grips.
I got one not long ago. But it seems when I rack the slide the hammer will slip back and I can't fire it.
Hi !
Did you test the 7.62x25 mm, what's your opinion ?
And i like yours long range (200 yards) videos : M1 Carabine, SKS, 1911... but i didn't find a video when you try with a 9x19 mm, maybe you will do that with the Browning Hi-power for example, i'm surprised an interesting character like you doesn't have a BHP...
Thanks by advance
Joe
Never did anything with 7.62x25. 200 yard shot with the Glock 19 in this video.
th-cam.com/video/uw8GMrRtVaA/w-d-xo.html
@bobsolla No original TT-30 or TT-33 were made with manual safeties and as they've not been made since the '40s it unlikely to feature on any Tokarev. Also US import laws don't apply as the USSR never marketed the TT-33 in the states.
tnoutdoors9 when you said that it has a service life of 2000 rds are you saying that the gun will last for 2000 rds or are you saying that it has shot 2000 rds.
@tnoutdoors9 Is it me or should a gun last way longer than 2000 rounds?
Type 54(TT33) is actually licensed I think. Like the type 56(AK47/SKS)and 53(Mosin Nagant). It was back then, when China had good relationship with the USSR.
i have a romy in 7.62. its awesome, i love shooting it.
@tnoutdoors9 i've you halfcock the gun (tt33) the slide and the trigger is blocked.
pretty good safety :))
i'm Canadian, up here these go for about 150 brand new, norinco is extremely cheap, you can get a norinco 1911 for 350
Shows how much you know,stick to soft air,you will never look stupid...
I love my Romanian TTC! Rough, ugly, accurate, and powerful!
I have this gun, I got in the late 1980's and have fired it a few times. I feel that the spring in the gun it too strong. It take a lot of force to chamber the first round. I also find the triger hard/tight. Do you think putting a lighter spring in the gun, polishing the slide and frame and getting a triger job would be worth the effort? I was thinking of using it as my CHL gun. What do you think? Thanks
Hey, mine says Pomona, CA too. Neat!
Apparently tons of these ended up in south africa. In other parts of africa the 7.62 variant is one of the more common handguns
was it origionaly 7.62x25 then it was converted to 9mm?
Hey john carter ll do you have mags for that norinco
where do I get magazine for it? Having a hard time finding one,,,,
Is it possible to swap some of the parts from this to a tokarev TTC model? Like barrel and mags to convert 7.62x25 to 9mm?
I got all excited and thought one of these might be a fun piece to own, but that service life of 2000 rounds? No way. It does look cool though.
Do you consider the macaroni gun worthy of consideration?
@supergunsnstuff, are those mags the ones that kept jamming? Or we're those something else
i have a norinco model 213a what is the difference between the 213 and the 213a?? i noticed my slide release is different from the gun your reviewing. just wondering how much my gun is worth, heard around 150 to 160 i paid 50 bucks for mine
@justingeist I actually prefer Norinco AKs to most any other AK variants. The quality control is pretty good on most of them. The recievers and barrels are also thicker and more rigid. Norinco AK's like the Mak 90 are in most cases more accurate than most AKs that have a thinner reciever.
As of 2018 it's 450 at my local gun shop
450?? Got mine at a local pawn shop for 200 about a year ago.
I got mine for $150 like 6 months ago.
I have one just like this one same model,,Question do you know how to find the year made, in the serial number mine starts with 619XXX thank you
does this field strip just like a 1911
The tokarev is a brilliant and very reliable gun i would prefer this over a glock . Either this or a beretta 92 .
is the original variant that bad??? I always thought the tokarev was a very reliability pistol.
Aesthetically and internally it's very similar to a 1903, but in absolutely no way a copy. The mechanism features several unique innovations of Tokerav. A good comparison would be the Makarov to the Walther PPK. It might look very, very similar aesthetically, but the actual mechanism is very unique to the designer.
@firewoodguy2009 Norinco did have its flops..some of their guns were prety good tho
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This is a pretty old model. Is it still in production, or only surplus?
Does the gun use the same magazines as the 7.62x25mm Tokarev does?
Yes
I own one of these as well but i have one gripe. I have to manually cock the hammer before i can pull the slide back. Do you have this problem? Not a big deal.. just annoying.
Credit were credit is due. The Tokarev, with minor dirrerences, is a copy of a John Browning design and so is the Norinco.
Is a 22. LR. Conversion for 213 . Norinco .
kool its more reliable than my pt111
2000 rds is WAAAAY low this is a typo. this is a tough gun even though the finish is not the best, it is all steel! things made in china are crappy i agree but they make some nice firearm copies! for example AK variants... probably the best AK you can find
I have the same gun and i really can use more info on it do you mind ??
Thought U were going to show how to field strip?????
2000 rounds, minimum, for hot military steel jacketed ball. These numbers are production factory warranty, so to say. If you use good quality moderate copper jacketed ammo, and let barrel cool down between many shots, it should go long way.
Wow. That slide looks poorly machined. But I guess for $100+ what could you expect? Glad to see the weathers nice there. Here in VA we've seen nothing but rain for the last week and a half.
how does it handle and shot? i literally just bought one an hour ago lol
se parece a la zastava m70
I'm okay with this Chinese gun. We have two of them. They are legitimate products of Russian-Chinese deals and not unauthorized copies but are a little crude. The older pistols were much more rough than what was made more recently. Polishing was needed.
@tnoutdoors9 must have a lot of heritage behind it then. mine was my uncle's , he gave it to me.
So is that 2000 round service life for real?
as long as you clean after you shoot, and make sure everything's oiled and greased... you should be fine
I remember these at guns shows in the 90's. TNOutdoors I hope you are well
I love how it says Pomona on it! Ghettolicious !!
@Gloomshadow1 Any weapon with a Colt/Browning lineage should last more than 2000 rounds, Tokarevs included. I recently bought one of these again. Had one before when the choice was Jennings/Jimenez, Hi Point or the Norinco 213, I chose the Norinco. You could do a whole lot worse than a Tokarev of any nationality.
its thatca good gun?
now you reminded me that i want a tokarev to go with my M44... -_-
Can these guns use +p ammo?
Yes, these can also use +p+
Look for any TT33 disassembly video.
Regular TT33 recoil spring work in these and help retain reliability. If you need mags zastava M88 mags will fit these and are of higher quality than the original chinese mags.
No force in the world would stop me from taking a dremel to that.
i have 1 of that gun..good gun..
Thats because its a loose copy of the 1911 and has a Star trigger,the rotating barrel was from another pistol maker...