doja cat's intentional decline
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2023
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All she can do is delete her social media to preserve her peace. There's no need to fight with fans.
right, if she wants to lose popularity, fans, and followers so badly, she should delete her accounts everywhere, then she won't have to stage this circus
Yeah, she doesnt have to interact with fans or be online. She can just delete het social media and drop music if she wants to
Finally, someone who speaks out the solution.
I believe the opposite would happen, because if she deleted her social media, everyone would be digging around in her business. Whether she did it announced or unannounced. I can only assume that the reason she is doing this is because she wants to live like a normal person, and you have no way of the media leaving you alone unless you have no platform. So yes, I agree, deleting her social media would work, however her problem is that everyone is digging around in her business and personal life and it would make it worse. She's trying to take down her own platform by making sure that no one wants to be a part of it from what I can see.
I would just love to know what her management tells her in these situations they must be going crazy right now
she tells people to get off their phone and get a job while being the most chronically online person ever
frfr like-? dont you have a job to do? dont you have fans to please? dont you have to go to the studio? dont you need rest? smh you dont need the internet you chronically online shet
that's probably why she tells people that; because she knows firsthand how addictive yet detrimental being chronically online can be...
@@dmtea its hypocritical tho. imagine a crack head telling you not to do crack, wile doing crack themselves. she a fucking loser.
@@dmtea it is kind of hypocritical imo, yes most of these stans are chronically online I do agree with her. however, the way she approaches the conversation of this topic (including many others), comes off as her being on some sort of moral high ground which she clearly isn't. so it does the opposite of what you say, it makes people more invested in her story and what she does next, in the end giving her the attention she hates the most. in my honest opinion, I think this is all a promo for her new persona or album (if this is the case, again it's extremely hypocritical of her)
Her team need to destroy her phone
“I work my ass off, y’all buy tickets”
Does she think nobody works their ass off to buy her tickets? Man celebs are straight weirdos
That like not at all what she is saying tho.
She is saying that people are not doing charity work when they buy her tickets. She put in the effort and the time to create her work and in return people pay to consume it. There. 50/50. Its her JOB, the same way you have a job and get compensated for your labor.
@@lalailmshe implied her fans were jobless in multiple other ways though so no that’s still what she believes .
@@lalaland7961 she’s talking to the young fans who often buy things with parents money, also the ones that are usually starting Twitter drama
@@lalaland7961Jesus Christ do you listen or read? Why’re you on this video if you aren’t even paying attention to what was said? You people make my brain throb with frustration. Exactly the morons Doja was talking to.
@@plawz y’all are making excuse after excuse pretending like you know exactly what she’s thinking instead of listening to what she says . “ oh it’s satire “ “ oh she’s trolling” “oh she didn’t mean it that way “ “ she’s actually saying THIS even though she literally said THIS”
Lorde is super private and reclusive because she doesn’t enjoy fame.
Yet she’s always kind and grateful to her fans because she knows they’re the reason she’s able to do what she loves.
Simple.
She reminds me of that friend that's unnecessarily cruel and mean but just says they're being honest.
oh 1000% that’s what it is, you hit the nail on the head
Fr. As a victim of that friend, she left me with so many issues and so much pain. Worst part is the brain-dead supporters of such ppl end up bullying you for being rightfully hurt. Its an endless hate cycle
@@hotcheetosqueen5841 I'm sorry that happened to you. Hope you're doing better now
@@hotcheetosqueen5841I feel this to my core..
lmao I’ve always got the vibe from her lol
It’s weird she’s so active in multiple social media platforms and then mad that she’s getting so much attention. Setting clear and firm boundaries is healthy and necessary, treating people like shit is not.
Doja Cat clearly has some mental health mental health issues. This could all just be a result of that. In my opinion, I think she’s intentionally trying to ruin her own image. To get rid of the attention or tell her fans to not admire her. But this its getting counterproductive. But if the intention is to ruin her image. Then it’s working.
Exactly my point💁♀️ I’m sorry but does she not understand how social media works. If you go live and shave your eye brows and head, talk about personal stuff. You can’t complain. Doja it’s your fault!!! She says she doesn’t want a parasocial relationship with fans yet proceeds to share everything about herself for the world to see
WORD. You nailed it.
@@Royalty05i do think she is the root of her issues, but we all know that the media would have said something even if she privately shaved her head and eyebrows. Society has an issue with women doing anything with their bodies so it is a valid complaint that even average women make.
I can understand the hatred towards being admired, yes she’s got some mental health issues, but she’s tried to set healthy boundaries, and it doesn’t work, because people are so obsessed. She’s resorting to this now, being rude and impolite. Idk how to feel abt this tbh I just watch the videos to see what’s up you know? I don’t really take a side in a situation like this
Edit: actually I think she’s dating a guy who abused other people and she’s defending him and she’s shitting on the victims.. so nvm she sucks
She’s definitely not wrong about everything, but the way she goes about it is absolutely ridiculous.
My exact opinion. I think some fans can be kinda creepy sometimes.
Right. I might not agree with how she is conveying her message but I 100% agree with the message here, which is basically “I dont owe you entitled brats shit! And consuming my music and being my fans dont give you the right to dictate how I act or what I do with my life”
Not to mention there’s some shit where she’s bordering on lacking critical thinking. Like…. YOU signed up for this. You willingly made that poppy shit for years. You had monetary access to getting the help you needed, whatever it was she needed help with, and still proceeded to have these outbursts when the resources were right there. She willingly affiliates herself with these personas, these people in the industry, and gets upset when there is backlash. If you didn’t want there to be backlash, why are you so inherently public about it? Then people will defend her by saying that AAA artists have to be public, even though I barely hear shit about ppl like Future or Meghan thee stallion and their goings-on. Not to mention the fact that apparently Doja cat doesn’t wanna be a AAA star like that anymore. Like I don’t know what she expects from people
To be honest. Some fans can be so sickly obsessed that maybe she has to go to this extreme just to get the point across.
@@sandygonsalves4646 i understand that, but going to this extreme means you care, which she has vehemently said she DOESNT care. so there's that extra layer of just lying about how much she cares about it too, which is totally immature
I see Lorde as an example of distancing yourself from the spotlight and your fans. She still shows a close relationship with her fans but has built boundaries by not being that present on social media and focusing on music, I think that would be the smarter thing for Doja to do, not fight with her fans and ruin her career.
Mitski does the same thing since Be the cowboy era for the same reason.
She was very active on Twitter and Tumblr but she gained popularity she decided to no return to media and only a community management runs her accs only to promote her new music.
She even create her first tik tok but still respecting her boundaries to the fans.
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^^that part!
Like does Doja have a PR team? 🫠
@@iameli330 i dont think so, maybe she don't want to...
i just think there are so many ways to distance yourself from your fans without being mean and rude to them…
Exactly, and not be that person but a great example is Cillian Murphy, dude doesn't have a single social media and he doesn't like to take pictures with his fans, he normally offers to chat a bit or have a coffee instead of a pic and he's distanced enough to live his own life without having to be an asshole
@@SowyV exactly, bruno Mars and Beyonce drop music then settle into thier private lives. I don't think they even give interviews anymore
I love your pfp
@@literaIIyshy why thank you🤭💜
@@SowyV no bc its literally the easiest thing in the world to not be an asshole, you don't have to do anything whatsoever...
I would support her words and agree with her if it werent for the fact that all of this started after she blocked and silenced her bf's alleged abuse victimes
seriously?? wtf
@@holundersirup1189 yeah she has been insulting some fans and blocking them saying that they hate her bf and get on her nerves. I normally dont entirely believe twitter threads with "proof" of grooming or abuse but the fact that she is blocking those people, going on streams with her bf and acting exactly the same way she tweets...
Bingo
exactly thats what changes this from a normal case of a celebrity going crazy from fame to doja just being a straight up bad person, its DISGUSTING behavior
same
If Planet Her is such a cash grab, she should give her Grammy to SZA then. Since she hates those eras sooo much
I think she talked about Amala and Hot Pink. The two first "cash grabs".
@@_tripalong not really. Amala was a debut but not famous, Hot pink was definitely the famous bops album cash grab
I believe she is severely online, unwell, and overworked. I sincerely hope she logs off, takes a break, and finds peace. Whatever it takes. She has so much influence over young girls and gays and she really fucked up by mishandling this power.
Yeah, but she’s only 27, so it makes sense that she’s still a bit immature…she still has time to learn how to handle this fame thing in a healthy way, so hopefully she does eventually.
@@rtmusicvideos431 girl "only 27" 😭 wym she been an adult for over 9 years ! it's ok to be immature it aint always a bad thing and we all have faults anyways but it aint cus of her grown age 💀
@@abaliagoob I’m older than 27, so she seems young to me. She still has a lot of time to learn to become wiser than she currently is. Sometimes you have to learn from experience and trial and error.
Young girls and gays 😂😂😂💀💀
@@rtmusicvideos431it's not normal that a 27 woman acts like a teenager,it's normal to make mistakes,but it's not normal to be immature.
If you want to “cancel” doja, unfollow & stop listening . stop giving her the attention she claims she doesn’t want lmaoo
she’s also painfully chronically online , she needs to stop going through her negative comments it’s clearly damaging her psyche. i hope she’s okay
@@nana-pj1dfit’s ironic that she’s chronically online but also is telling people to log off and touch grass like maybe take your own advice
Agreed!!!💯 These celebrities are weird they swear they hate fame but as soon as people stop paying attention to them they’ll do anything to get people to pay attention to them again…
@@nana-pj1dfye it’s pretty hypocritical of her tbh. Humans contradict themselves like that all the time tho (I do too, probably kind of am rn talking about this XD) so it’s not unexpected that this happens. I also hope she finds a better way to cope and be happy and that “fans” can also learn to just enjoy content casually instead of destroying themselves over stuff like this
@@Xonatirose LMAO REAL
She’s not wrong by saying “I’m not your friend” bc no she’s not but nobody is asking her for that..? Maybe a very small minority online but the rest of the fans just want to support her and her music and if that’s weird to her, maybe it’s time to retire..? Idk what else to say, this situation is so bizarre. I’ve never seen another celeb freak out on their fans like this.
exactly idek anyone else who has gotten into drama this intense. like- i spend so much time on the internet its hard to believe anyone can do anything like this without a fear of being cancelled...maybe she did sell her soul for fame☠💀
@@crybabydeluxxeU must tell me how to use that buffering emoji 🫵🏼
@@crybabydeluxxe i'm impressed with that buffering emoji. Teach me!
what? a lot of people are though
It's so annoying that literally half the people in her comments and live (if not more) are either dickheads or crossing personal boundaries, and youre out here going "no doja cat you're actually crazy, none of that happening and your reaction is fake"
You're the type of person to be a bully in school, i feel like you'd bully people and then gaslight them into thinking they're the problem, then telling everyone that that person is crazy
@@volkova6209okay but you can use the same logic against her. She’s curating her own online experience, so if she doesn’t want to deal with those people, she can also log off! Also, being super rude to trolls won’t work, as she would know as a former troll herself. She is chronically online. She should leave the internet for a while.
Do you see why that logic is unsound…? Or is she special because she’s famous?
Doja is definitely NOT one to comment on others’ online presence. She has to be one of the most chronically online people ever.
Someone who yells “I don’t care if you like me, I don’t care what you think of me” definitely cares about what people like or think of them.
EXACTLY
Right because you wouldn’t be complaining if you didn’t care.
@@Ejejesksjs yeah. Action speaks louder than words. How does Doja not care so much what people say or think of her, but goes after every person on the internet having something to say?
@@stares_mthrfckrlyliterally , if she really didn’t care she wouldn’t always be cussing everyone out online 😭😭
Going on social media and talking shit will never help you go low-profile. Bad attention is still attention
true. idk if "low profile" is specifically her goal. i think she still wants to make music ands have people listen to it (she's releasing an album and going on tour) but i think she just wants different people listening.
@MadisynBrown who could she be trying to attract with such nasty behavior? Y'all keep making excuses for this weirdo.
@@MickeyAndMorepeople who like her for being real, I already see newer people appreciating her more for saying everything other artist are to scared to
@@MickeyAndMore i think she wants to distance herself from the pop fans and direct herself to a more “underground” & “edgy” fan base that doesn’t stan her as much as her current fans, but it’s such a weird way to do it honestly
@@missgurl218 you do realize she only started lashing out bc ppl were criticizing her creepy bf? she isn’t being real she’s being a coward
She’s not exactly wrong imo, I don’t like stan culture, parasocial relationships and worshiping celebrities, but the way she’s acting and calling out fans who have legitimate concerns about who she’s associating with is a problem. She’s telling fans to delete their accounts, maybe she should take a break from hers.
Hahaha 🤣
I guess it gets hard to differentiate between haters/stans and fans with genuine concerns. What she’s doing is not smart at all, but also kind of understandable at the same time. It’s a complicated situation and the best case would just be for everyone to stop yelling at one another and stay offline a bit more often. Oh well only time will tell how things go (and it’ll probably be the usual where nothing changes at all lol)
You don't have to be wrong to be a straight up asshole, which is what she is.
Also there are so many ways to distance yourself from your fans it starts with your label they control her make her have certain social media output she wants the money but not the fame that comes with it and I understand that but will great money comes great responsibility 🤣🤣🤣
&& Isn’t it bold for strangers to berate you about who you choose to date?? Like would ya’ll listen to people on the internet about your dating life? Wouldn’t you talk about that & keep it to people you love & trust?
She's totally a hypocrite: One minute she's like, "I wouldn't be here without my fans." and "I want to thank all my fans for supporting me." and the next minute she's like, "You're crazy!", "Don't use kittens on your social media profile!", "You guys mean nothing to me!", etc. Like this is hurtful to fans who might've been in a hard place and look up to you but when you do this, Doja, people are now like: WTH?!
I've been a fan of hers since 2018, before she blew up. She used to get on IG live like every other day and make beats. She would chat with folks and just hang out and it was cool, it was like being in a lil club that no one knew about. But imo, fame has caused her to go through something on a deeper level. Maybe she feels like doesn't deserve it. But there's truly no excuse for being an asshole to people, especially your supporters, ESPECIALLY when you built a platform through interacting with them. It's extremely ungrateful :/
Literally!
What she doesn’t understand is that most sane people understand that when artists say they “love” their fans they don’t mean they know and love every single person individually and personally, they mean that they appreciate their fandom in general for allowing them to pursue their passion by opening their wallets and supporting the art that the artist puts out. No one expects an artist to love every single fan individually but there has to be a level of gratitude to the fans because without them you’d be working a low-income job that you hate.
I agree 100% but unfortunately it’s always the INsane obsessive fans that interact with artists the most which probably ruin their image of the fandom altogether.
@@bellakamiya1761 unfortunately that’s true but I feel like the people she always argues with aren’t “deranged” fans, she attacked so many fans that were just asking her simple questions and told a helpful fan account to delete their account for being a goddamn fan account. She’s not addressing the “crazy” fans she’s just taking her anger out on every single fan and it’s wrong.
@@ayoidek6571fr it seems like she thinks the word “fan” means theyre obsessed with her.
Exactly my thoughts
@@bellakamiya1761its rlly not. she attacked quite literally everyone and she only interacts with people who hate on her on twitter/instagram.
Doja made herself super accessible to her fans from Day 1 and it backfired. Most notably on her mental health…in a way she still is. Negative attention from your fav is still attention.
I find she’s a bit like cardi b where she has to respond to every negative thing said about her.
Exactly!! Ive never heard the sentence "sometimes she forgets shes famous" about anyone before doja. I think what we are seeing now is that theres a reason for that
Well yeah she started out as a 4channer and old school periscope/twitch streamer there’s no way she’s not responding to comments esp the negative ones it’s just who she is
poor soul she deserves a break from those gremlins
@@saammy99Right. I think of Cardi B., as well when it comes to her
Growing up with a famous dad, it is exhausting I always have to be nice cuz I know they will always say,” I met his daughter and she was So stuck up/ spoiled / etc” everywhere you go, people you’ve NEVER met know so much about your life, or believe misinformation or feel so comfortable asking you ANYTHING .My dad LOVES fame, but I didn’t ask for it.
What you said is so real. I don't know who your dad is but that can be exhausting
Awwww boooo hooooo 😢😂😂😂
@@soioioioioioio34 lol-wow.😎
I support her lol
It’s weird how obsessed people become over a complete stranger
well she's not a complete stranger to fans tho...she is literally a celebrity so people knows her maybe not personally but still
well she's not a complete stranger to fans tho...she is literally a celebrity so people knows her maybe not personally but still
@ImbibitorLunaes "worship" please lemme laugh your stupidity is so funny 😂
She's one of the cases where fame got into their heads. I understand that she used to be an internet troll, but still, the things she said straight up very mean.
why are people acting like the fans are being so nice? they're literally telling her you'd be nothing without us and she's supposed to be like yay okay?
@@RedHearts178 well, without her fans, she's not gonna get this far isn't it?
@@absolutelynotellenshe can just summon kilumba
Her trolling was never funny to me at all it seems like it seems like all her humor consists of pee pee poo poo 10 year old little boy humor and it comes off as obnoxious.
@@absolutelynotellenI mean with the music she makes, at this point she could be hated but people will still listen to her music.
See you would think that being openly racist and is dating a groomer would be indicative of a bad personality but here come her fans holling😭 girl...
Right, blind as hell
She’s racist too ??
@@idragons1627i don’t know if she’s necessarily racist for this but she would allow her online friends to call her the N word when she was much younger. seems more like a self hatred thing, but also she was young when it happened which doesn’t absolve her of anything ofc but idk. it’s complicated ig
@@jujubeaniebabbynot exactly. I will say that those tinychats were taken out of context, aside from all of this bs. Doja, and other black people in the chats would be in the chats trying to goad and joke on the yt ppl in the chats by basically saying “it’s okay you can say it.📸🤳.”
Doja would usually be high asf during these but none of the people in the chats took it personal.
The guy who exposed the chats though was literally a racist who had been stalking doja across the chats and the rest of the people in them had to keep kicking his ass out, which is why he exposed them in the first place.
I even remember people trying to turn Dindu Nuffin, a song where she mocks the yt ppl from where she grew up, into her making fun of people dying by police brutality. But paying attention to the lyrics, you can easily catch that she’s basically saying “you say I’m not going to be shit. You judge me bc I’m black but Your white children do worse. I’m gonna be everything you say I’m not”
I think she’s indeed a lil colorstruck, which is usually what happens when biracial children have a yt mother. Not trynna be funny. But this seems more like resentment for her fame and wanting to do things without being judged. But as a bisexual, biracial, pop/ rap artist who has assimilated into many cultures, she has to understand that many people will want to be involved in everything she does. Her being chronically online doesn’t help either.
@@jama3997 thank you the clarification! yeah the situation seemed a bit more complicated than people were making it out to be. also i agree the dindu nothing drama was absolutely ridiculous lol.
I can't help hut think that this is a way to deflect the fact that her bf is a predator and she's blocking his victims on twitter.
we need to get this comment to the top!!!
Why wouldn't she block them? She is aware of what's been said. His past relationships and way of treating/mistreating people don't involve her. Has anyone stopped to think that MAYBE she got told by an attorney to block them and have ZERO content
The relationship to her and her fans is in her eyes more "professional" I believe. Like she said she makes music and we consume it, thats it. Instead of being butthurt people should take it as a sign to move on and not attach themselves on random celebrities.
She has been doing music for a decade, without succes. She doesn't do it for fame she does it bc its her passion
Exactly. Even tho I still believe she's a bad person based on the whole 'dating a predator' thing, every other aspect of her outrage is justified and the people that have developed an obsession with her have to touch some grass.
lol. if you don’t like your fans… why do you do lives? you can just live your life offline and then drop music
Fr
I think you’re kind of missing the point. At the beginning of the video this TH-camr said, this is all intentional. Doja Cat yells and curses at her fans on Twitter and goes on Instagram lives and talk shit about her fans. To intentionally break that relationship/bond that her fans have with her. She is unprepared/overwhelmed by attention she is receiving. It’s clearly affecting her mental health.
@@honeymoon7292 oh i totally agree, but i think it would be much better for her to just unplug entirely and only come back when she drops music. it hurts less feelings and it would protect her peace too
@@honeymoon7292 sounds like she's not cut out to be a celebrity then
You didn't understand anything
While I do agree with what you’re saying about fans forming para social relationships and how that’s unhealthy, I just don’t agree with your statement about how choosing to stop listening to an artist because their public actions hurt you and affect you personally is also unhealthy. Especially in Doja’s case. She has pretty much stated that people that listened to and enjoyed her past two albums are idiots. And on top of that has blocked people on social media for telling her about the allegations regarding her current boyfriend, some of them being victims themselves. If someone decided to stop supporting her all together, I think that decision should be respected, not viewed as “unhealthy”.
Very well said especially considering one of the actions includes hiding the allegations of her current boyfriend, she’s dating a outed and known predator. So I guess those of us who have been in relationships with an abusive guy similar to him who choose not to be fans of Doja anymore are unhealthy
Totally agree!
Yep
fr
yes
I'm tired of the recent increase of the word "parasocial" this reminds me of "gaslighting" and "narcissism" all over again. Especially since its manipulative people using the words to conceal their bad behavior.
Hmm that’s interesting, I’ve seen people use the words gaslighting and narcissism for situations that definitely don’t involve gaslighting or narcissism, but I’ve rarely seen the word parasocial being used in a wrong context, can you give some examples?
Not entirely true, there’s an over abundance of victims of narcissistic abuse in our society. They just now have the language to understand it.
@@m.i7211they can't. They thought they were being clever in saying that
Its always a treat to get to watch a new vid from you!
and yeah I'm kind of glad my mom taught me in a young age (when I was a die hard jk rowling harry potter era I'm so sorry) that we're not supposed to be die hard fanatics or seeking validation from them. We consume the media they provide to enrich our lives then we move on (rough translation from my moms tagalog)
maybe what icks me is the idea that Doja couldn't find a much more nuance way of affirming to her fans not to put her in a pedestal and avoid the parasocial relationship without much hostility? then again even with that belief I'm not sure if its rooted to my brain with a thought that as if Doja 'owes' us and should be nice or I just want her to provide respect like a normal human being
The crazy thing is the main reason she made those tweets was because she was mad her own fans were rightfully calling her out for dating a predator and blocking his victims. It feels like the kitten tweets overshadowed the real concerning issue and that’s the only thing blogs want to talk about.
EXACTLY!!!
Bruh if you're a victim of abuse go talk to law enforcement? Show them the proofs and file an official case. I'll never understand people who start targeting and get someone canceled in public instead of taking action to put them behind bars where they probably belong.
Right?
@@starsky1435exactly! Like how is that her problem?!
@@starsky1435 maybe because often times going to law enforcement doesn't work? esp. if that person is well known online /famous? Getting attention from the masses spreads awareness and social support in place of law enforcement that might not do anything otherwise. Idk why ya'll pretend like we haven't seen this situation play out plenty of times over the years with celebrities and such. selective memory I guess...
This is the same person that had a full blown tantrum because her fans in Paraguay didn't show up to support her, and said she was quitting the industry because of it. So, as much as I agree that artists should put boundaries (even if it's harsh) , I don't buy it comming from her... she seems do to these things just to get people talking and causing controversy. She's horrible with her fans: damn if they do, damn if they don't?
Girl is sick in the head, like literally.
this is such a good point
If I remember correctly, the fans did show up to the show, but there was a storm so it was cancelled. She was mad that they didn’t show up to where she was staying at to meet her I think. But I agree with you.
@@melika2812 her fans were waiting outside her hotel room to try to interact with her since the concert was canceled bc of the storm. other artists from the same set came outside to say sorry or whatever but she never did, so her fans were on twitter asking what was up. the next day she complained saying that they never showed up in the morning so they must not care as much as they were making it seem. she just has very odd behavior
@@Minnienimx3 ohh ok, thanks for clearing that up.
if she’s so desperate to become less famous then just delete your social media’s, it’s literally not that hard. this is either a blatant cash grab for more attention and publicity or she’s actually just cruel.
i was waiting for a video like this on this topic, love it
She’s so confusing, one minute she’s on InstaLive feeding off the attention by leaking her own songs to the fans, and the next she’s saying she hates fame and wants to be left alone. Like pick a lane girly
I feel like that’s her corporation persona. The persona and brand image every celebrity has to sell tickets, merch, etc. And then her real self coming out and lashing out at her fans. Unfiltered, unapologetic and angry. I don’t know exactly the root causes of this. But in my opinion, every celebrity has one. Doja Cat is letting both sides show.
Bipolar?
FR I don’t know why she seems so resentful towards her fans when she has the most fan interaction out of any artist I know lmao
NO ONE is forcing her to be famous?!! She can release her music quietly and delete her social media or give it to an intern to run lmao. But she has to go on constant raging rants and go live all day because of her desperate need for attention and an outlet for her rage. People excusing her behaviour don’t see she’s getting paid 10x more than anyone in a normal job yet sits there and complains despite CHOOSING to actively be famous…
I think Doja Cat is a cautionary tale. Of a Internet star who is not prepared to rise to that level of fame. Of course, labels want to change you to make you popular. And it’s affecting her. She calls all her previous music cash grabs which is really sad. I’m not angry at Doja Cat. I just see a sad resentful woman having a mental break down.
Wym nobody is "forcing her" to be famous? Nobody is forcing anyone to be famous. Sometimes u just wake up and you're famous. It's not like she ASKED "moo" to become a viral meme. She didn't ASK "say so" to go viral on tiktok. It's not easy to just "stop" and "log off" like yall are claiming. She signed a contract and has to grit her teeth and deal with it.
I feel like yall are forgetting shes human too and never thought about what it is like to wear the shoes of an international celebrity :(
You don't choose to be famous at all.
@@MyFictionalChaosyou're joking right? Plenty of famous people have chosen to not be famous anymore. Zayn Malik who was way more popular than Doja chose to not be famous.
@@MyFictionalChaos does her contract say she has to go on Instagram live all the time ranting all the time? Does her contract tell her to make rude tweets? Does her contract force her to constantly be online? No. She’s just a lazy brat.
Her behaviour isnt correct but at the same time, it highlights a deeper issue with "stans" and overly attached fans worshipping her. It is weird, it is creepy. So at the same time, its kinda funny seeing an artist say their true feelings unfiltered
I kind of like that Doja is doing this. Fans and people in general have gotten WAY too comfortable online and harassing celebrities (whether they are fans or not). Sometimes people won’t listen unless it is MEAN. I think doja doing this is making people actively think about the parasocial relationships they have rn.
I agree with you. Only Doja knows the weight of exactly how much hateful comments and unnecessary crap people feel entitled to say to her. I cannot even imagine the stress. People who call themselves fans will say EVERYTHING on their minds with no filter. Seems nobody was taught "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." I'm 100% here for an artistic tantrum. It is hilarious to see the disgust from so-called "fans" all over everything she posts, especially the religious nuts. Well bye, bigots! Peace! Let those of us who actually appreciate Doja respectfully enjoy the creative phase she's in!
that really says a lot about you.
I guess that’s possible. I - who is in no way a fan of hers btw - still believe that her comment about fans just “buying the ticket” whereas the makes the music is completely disrespectful. People *work* to make the money that put her where she is!
Everyone all of a sudden hates fame until they're broke.
Yeah, there's pros and cons with everything.
@@AC-ri2ph def agree
Not true look at lana del rey
@@HeyoitsJaymore like irrelevant.
@@JesusGomez-ob2qtwdym ? Is Lana broke ?
In my opinion, she’s just doing too much. Like, girl just log off and do what you wanna be doing. I’m not even a big fan of her, but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth how childish this is. Tyler the Creator gives great advice lol
Side note: Her throwing tantrums won’t get rid of her obsessive fans. They’ll just be obsessive haters. If she wants to lose them, she should just switch up her style. The way she acts seems like she’s seeking any type of attention (heh). It’s giving Megan from the Key and Peele sketches
ur so right about the transition from an obsessive stan to an obsessive hater hopefully those who put her on this high pedestal can learn from putting all there energy into a celebrity.
This I also agree with. I see her points. She’s making valid ones. At the same time, she’s doing way too much.
But your Jacket tho?! 😂
@@Pegao2121 No!😾
yeaa@@IzzyandMimi
Disclaimer: This is just my opinion.
I was watching a video similar to this and it said that Doja Cat doesn't owe anyone anything, but she does. She owes people kindness or just basic human decency til it shouldn't be given anymore, for example, hate comments that make fun of how she looks and if you think she doesn't then that's just awful thinking and makes her a foul and yourself person. If she doesn't have anything nice to say to her fans that didn't do anything then don't say it at all? Ignore the comments or turn it off. Also, the comments to a similar video were saying that they think she may be mentally ill, I think that could be a possibility why she's having mixed emotions.
this is the best video i have seen about this situation thank u for saying it out loud
The problem with Doja currently is, she doesn't need to keep dunking on her fans to distance herself from her popularity, she can just take a break and that should be more than enough to distance herself from the fame. But yet here she is, acting like a mean girl and drawing more attention to herself. Doing the opposite of her assumed intention.
Speak your truth peepaw Zhongli ‼️🗣️
how tf are u in every tea channel ever
@@ammoniagas6636 wait, which tea channels? Lol maybe because I keep clicking on them so my algorithm has gotten heavily skewed towards tea channels.
@@Solararisa idk i think i saw you on adam mcSalad , i mean mcintyre, and some other tea channels
That’s what makes me think it’s intended to set the tone for her new album
While she doesn’t necessarily owe her fans anything, being rude to your supporters isn’t a good move at all tbh
she don’t care about no moves… she’s a dummy fr fr and I lit. think she has no friends tbh cause this is not a behavior of a person that gets checked on by friends
They are horrible and rude to her.
Her Fans deserve it. They are so blinded they will go too ANY LENGTH to defend her honor. Including just making stuff up. If her fans don’t realize she hates them, and they continue to worship her. Then let them be hated. They deserve it for being so ignorant and naive.
She owes her fans everything bruh, otherwise her career is nowhere
@@rosemoreno5110she don’t owe SHIT TO HER FANS!! Which is why she is moving the way she is.. tf don’t y’all understand abt this shit. Enjoy the music, stfu and shit down & stay in your place.
There's something about her supossedly hating her fans and telling them to get off their phones but her being on IG LIVE like every single day that is so funny to me.
This laid everything out and explained the situation so well. Thank you. (:
Why feed into the para social relationship by doing lives and responding directly to fans. Her points are valid but she could just disappear like Frank Ocean or Kendrick Lamar instead of trying to burn everything down
She's definitely going about it the wrong way but honestly I'm thinking maybe she's going through something mentally. Not excusing her actions either, I just genuinely think she's going about it the wrong way because of her mentality where ever that may be at this time. Wouldn't be the first time a celebrity started acting odd due to mental health issues. That's why I'm not quick to get pissy about how Doja is acting because I genuinely think she's got a point but she's going about it the wrong way.
Yup, she should make music do the talking instead of being so offensive. No one is forcing her to be active on her socials, or maybe she’s sabotaging her label or something else we don’t know about.
@@kyoka1528yeah I’m surprised this isn’t being said more, this isn’t how a mentally stable person acts
this is the realest commentary about the situation i’ve seen, you’re open minded and understanding
i think her dating someone whos a predator goes beyond “her own choice”. ofc no one should force her, shes a grown ass woman, but by god im glad her fans did drag her especially after she blocked the victims speaking out and is putting herself at risk of becoming another victim.
Imagine if a huge company like McDonald’s or Apple went on angry twitter rants saying they hate their old products and their customers are stupid for buying them. That’s literally what doja is doing right now lol. This is her JOB- and no one is forcing her to be a millionaire
She can be a poor highschool dropout again if she wants to😂
girl those are cooperations it’s comepletely different to have YOURSELF be a brand like it’s crazy
@@boredrat2573 that’s the price of being a celebrity. You are the brand. Celebrities are all for parasocial relationships when it comes to their fans buying their music, merch, concert tickets, supporting them with their money.
The comparison isn't comparable. It's not like McDonald's or Apple have a franchise where they renew contracts to drop something different. It's relatively the same thing in different formats! However music is not. You can't relatively have the same thing, and versatility is a component. As opposed to McDonald's where they have the regular mc nugget and fries but maybe have promotions like the Cardi b meal.
@@p3rsianb4byit's not a para social relationship for fans to support the artist buy buying their music, or going to their shows. It's not as if the artist is forcing them, or begging them. It's something they choose and even ask for. It's when fans feel entitled and think they have a say in ways the artist behave, who they date, who they're friends with, what they do. More personal entities not so much on business.
i think her bf definitely has something to do with why she's acting like this. making her fanbase/public opinion turn on her so suddenly when she just recently got into a relationship with a known manipulator and abuser looks like he's setting her up to be taken advantage of.
Yeah it’s a bit odd she’s always been mean ig but suddenly it’s this level? I think he’s just exploding her insecurities and that’s why she’s so aggressive now
she wasn't mentally all that great before, but I can totally get your point that she would start acting up after getting with a known abuser
Naahh she's not a child, don't excuse her behaviour. She's always been mean and attention seeking
@@incharak1927 where did i say i was excusing or dismissing her behavior? i'm saying it's most likely not a coincidence that around the time she got into a relationship with a known abuser and manipulator is all of a sudden when she tries to act out and lose all her fans and supporters. he most likely has an influence on her and is trying to isolate her
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this, he’s most likely taking advantage of her. No, she’s not in the right for any of this, but she is most likely a victim.
lmfao that first live u included is honestly so funny 😭
Even if she doesn’t love her fans or care for them, she could still appreciate them🤷🏾♀️
She doesn’t even have to shower them with a parasocial bond, but she could say thank you to the people who still view and keep up with her work❤
I feel like she does tho. There is a live where she acknowledges how grateful she is that people liked her music enough to decide to consume it and bc of that she has the things she has.
What she wants to make clear however is that oeople are not giving hee handouts or doing her favor when they voluntarily decide to consume her music. She did the work, she put in the time and effort to create that product and people bought it. 50/50.
Not only that, she doesnt want to feed into the parasocial relationship with most of the people smwho say they gave her a career. So she is not going to say things that are jot true like “I love all of you” bc she doesn’t. That doesn’t mean she hates them tho (except for the ones who are entitled, apparently).
And its so funny for me that people are complaining that she is not feeding into that, SPECIALLY when in the last month people were literally discussing how youtubers like colleen ballinger where taking advantage of these parasocial relationships to exploit fans who thought she really did love them. That proximity she is denying is literally what some celebrities use in their own benefit to promote themselves and can end up backfiring when these fans realize that it was never the case.
@@lalailm yes I could see why you would say that but also it’s not hard to say “thank you”
She could still say thank you to the people who still view and pay money to see her work✨
If she's planning to leave mainstream music then this move won't work in her favor. Fandoms are the reason music that's not generally prone to mainstream success makes money like rock music Dedicated fans support these artists
If anything, this seems like it will work against her, as it only seems to be attracting dedicated haters and fans who think she can do no wrong and are defending her like their lives depend on it.
@@hope3290 I agree
@@natashambulo3510 I agree with all your guys takes on this
She seems like an insecure hypocrite🤷🏾♀️
Oh she is. One youtube channel made a video about her 1-2 years ago, I think it was Honest and she ended up going on a full blown rant because of it.
@@shijutualso with Lorry Hill...she made a video regarding the speculation of doja having plastic surgery. She didn't say anything bad towards her yet doja still bullied her and mocked her appearance calling her an "skellington b****" or something like that :/
Yeah and her fans are 🧠 💀 Inventing copes that she does not hate them. And how great she is, just stressed. When she’s literally a horrible person and says how much she HATES her fans. I don’t get it period.
I think she's mad at her fans for making fun of her shaving her head
Shes always been like this plus she hates knowing shes half black
this was soooo beautifully said youre so well spoken 😭😭😭
doja is so real for this tbh, I'm kinda loving it.
“Ms high school dropout” is still crazy can’t lie 😭
Those who exert the most energy claiming not to care always care the most. Celebrities and fans are not friends but if she truly didn't enjoy interacting with them she should just stop. No ones forcing her to be online, she can just ignore everyone and live her life
Odd question but why is your name Kinky Daddy?
Can we get one thing clear, the people doja is being "mean" to are NOT her fans. They like her music they dont like her. Doja is not the girly pop star that most of her "fans" want her to be and when she is herself her "fans" dont like it and thats not a fan. She is getting rid of the people who say theyre a fan but just want the girly girl steropyical pop singer/rapper and thats not who she is. Thats not who she ever was. But because she was doing and dressing like her "fans" paid for her to be to get the fame she needed to get enough money to be able to make the music she wanted to make and live a life she wanted and now she has it she can finally be herself. And people dont like the real doja and theyre not her fans
This was the best video to explain this, you did great👍🏻
i think the main thing with doja losing fans that she's actively ignoring, is people don't want to support an artist who is currently dating a known pedo/groomer. and what makes it worse for her is that she is also actively blocking his victims when they call her out
she is very fed up but i also feel she's unwell with the way she's speaking. i hope she can heal
i wish y’all would tell the full story. many people are leaving bc of the parasocial thing, but some of us don’t give a rat’s ass about her social media antics bc we have known for a long time that she’s mean, annoying, and hates her fans. that doesn’t have shit to do with the music so i simply blocked her on twitter and bopped her albums in peace. but a lot of people cannot support art in good conscious knowing about the boyfriend thing. i’m not selling my tickets bc “i don’t like her boyfriend” it’s bc it does not sit right with me to put my money towards someone who is blocking her groomer boyfriend’s victims. i cannot support an enabler. i don’t care that other people don’t care about that, i understand separate the art from the artist but for me and many others there is a line. just don’t lump all of the unfollowings and “outrage” into people just angry that she doesn’t like us
And also, it’s not unhealthy to choose the line about artist/person.
I was personally never a “big fan”, but I did like some of her music. But this is way too much to even being a more casual listener.
And I’m thinking that she’s trying to diverte the focus from his shit ahole boyfriend to this “she’s been more mean than usual to fans”, so that with more to talk about, less people are going to focus on the most important part out of all this.
@@karmica7591i honestly think you’re right about that. and clearly it worked. the focus has completed shifted to “doja hates her fans!” like who cares? she’s never met me and i have never met her to feel slighted. few people are even talking about what the catalyst for her rampage was anymore which was people calling her out for blocking her boyfriend’s victims trying to speak out about what happened to them.
@@astrolothot182 mind it’s obviously speculation. I don’t know her or what’s on her mind. But as a grooming/SA survivor, this is where I choose to draw the line. I’m not heartbroken, I don’t feel mad with her, but I am a bit pissed that this triggered my own stuff in a very delicate and already high triggering moment. I wanted to stay away with things that could have been potentially stressful but this was all over my feed and I didn’t know who the f that man was. And once I was curious enough to dig a bit (as not all of them are talking about that specifically, as we were saying) it was too late.
If she wants to ruin her career by treating her fans and appreciators like shit for calling her out on the massive idiot she wants to associate with and defend while drag into the mud the victims, girl you do you. I don’t have any more time, patience and frickin health to deal with it. There are tons of very talented and stylish folks out there to look at instead, not my problem boo.
i’ve seen a couple videos on this but you explained it so well, i agree that in many ways she’s right and not the only artist who feels this way, tho i still feel the way she’s dealt with it is very insensitive. its pretty sad to think of what brought her there
You made some really great points. A perspective I haven’t seen yet, thank you❤
"I AM NOT YOUR FRIEND" girl weren't you talking about how depressed you were to yo fans?
and telling her fans she loves them and is excited for tour
Since I was never a fan of hers, I feel like I can get a better outlook on this. On one side, I think it's a good wake up call for some people. She is putting people in their place. There are indeed "fans" who want to be more than what they should and want attention from their "idol" so bad, they would do ANYTHING. And they meddle and interfere with the life of someone who they really don't know and who doesn't know them at all. On the other hand, the hypocrisy is astonishing. I agree that her music was honestly bland and bad, but she was the one who sold herself and did it, how can she call others dumb for that?
Put it into words perfectly. I agree with you fully
(only difference in opinion is I kind of like her music. But that’s not that important to the rest, so I agree with you on the rest :) )
This was a coverup for her defending her racist groomer boyfriend.
i agree with all of this! she's not wrong with establishing this boundary bc some fans definitely needed to snapped out of their parasocial relationship with her. on the other hand though, i feel like she still owes a bit of appreciation (note, not *affection*) to her fans since at the end of the day without them she doesn't really have a career, so the way she's going about everything is a bit...awful.
The people that were making conspiracies about her joining the Illuminati and were criticizing her for changing her look and style were crossing boundaries. Her fans are expressing concern that she’s dating a groomer and that he cheats on her. Like as a regular person, I would kind of want to be warned if my bf messed with minors at all.
yelling at her fans saying thing things like "im not your friend" or being rude to them on twitter isnt a good way to distance urself from fans or put them in their place
This is definitely the best video on the doja situation I've seen so far. Like, I've been struggling to put how I feel about it into words but you said everything. It's just really hard because I do have some sympathy for her, like, yeah, she's unfulfilled in life and being harassed by teenagers who think she's a goddess yanno? It is just like, I don't wanna look dumb if it turns out I actually wasn't reading this situation right, especially since I am going to see her tour and genuinely supporting her, I don't wanna look goofy for it lol. I hope she just finds her balance
Outta all the videos I’ve seen on this topic, you have the most sane perspective
You can change one's self without being a complete dick to other people
100%
She's a bully. Still like her music though but i don't care for her as a person. If she retired i wouldn't gaf 🤷🏾♀️
She's just being real. If you truly think celebrities owe you something you need deep psychological help before you hurt yourself or others because that shit is not normal hunny
@@JesusGomez-ob2qtshe’s right about the fans not being her friends but going to far as insulting and being rude to the ppl that just wanna support you and listen to your music is a different thing
@@JesusGomez-ob2qt the ONLY thing shes being "real" about is fans being super obsessive and not being friends, but then again she is the artist. she can control interactions and SET UP BOUNDARIES. artists have done that before in a NICER WAY too. but her "only going on twitter to shame fans" and say "FUCK YOU"...and let you know that you're poor and of no importance is wild. that, is not being real, that privileged asshole behavior.
you're the bully. lol
@@rikiinexx2151 ok shes a human being.
you have such a smart and mature perspective on this topic. keep it up!
I've stumbled upon this at an ungodly hour down a rabbit hole and I thought I would comment. Good vid.
Why are there sooo many talented but rude artists 😩
from the clips of her it seems like she’s kind of full of herself. a bit… conceited. she’s emphasizing the distance and difference between herself and her audience.
It’s probably a similar story with other artists.
Because a lot of them start off young and the industry aint that nice. Like, look at Justin Bieber.
I completely and totally understand that artists aren’t your friends and stuff like that bc they’re not but she’s just downright rude and bigheaded
@@Madi77767 i wont deny what she is doing is rhell bitchy and outta timing as fuck, but i hope this aint ruining ppl's weeks.
@@adamas5925 I totally agree her fans or kittens or whatever need to move on. She doesn’t care so they shouldn’t either no offence
Idk she's doing too much. She's pissy bc ppl are calling her out for dating a groomer. You can't complain that your fans are invested in what you do while interacting with them on social media. All she had to do was stop being on social media and drop music. That's it. She's being whiny.
Subbed cuz of this video sis ❤️🔥🥰❤️🔥 tysm
Oh my goodness your my new favorite commentary/video essay TH-camr
I’m so glad that this is becoming something people are more aware of- it always freaked me out how obsessed fans could get, and although I disagree with Doja’s methods of being a bit too rude, it’s really for the best to draw the line. It’s important to remember that celebrities are still people, and they need their space too. I’m glad that it’s become a boundary that more fans and people are aware of.
I agree with you here. Doja’s method is not good, this type of communication can easily and has been taken the wrong way. And I just believe negative communication is often the least effective anyways. But I think the message she’s trying to give is right. The way people put celebrities on such a high pedestal, when they’re just people, has always been weird to me. When I’m a fan of someone I just really enjoy their work and as long as they just act like decent human beings (like I do believe actual controversies need to be addressed, like the really bad ones, not the petty drama ones) but aside from that I couldn’t care less about their personal life. I ain’t here for that after all, just the content they make. Parasocial relationships are weird and disgusting and people need to learn to just enjoy content normally. Not this obsession bs.
Again, Doja’s way of going about it ain’t right, but I do agree with the point she’s trying to make.
But nobody did anything to her? If she doesn't want fame, then she should delete her social media and retire from music. Beyoncé is way more famous than her and doesn't interact with random people on social media, fan or not. There's ways to be private if she wants to. Doja Cat is obviously disturbed and uses her fans (I'm not one) as an excuse to be a nasty person.
@@MickeyAndMoreI agree with you. She said people who liked the songs she blew up with were dumb too.
It's not just about fans getting too close. She is being unnecessarily mean and cruel to fans who have always supported her and her music. How does that make sense? She straight up told her fans that they are idiots for buying her music. Fame has definitely gone to her head, she needs to be brought down a peg. Every person who's supported her needs to stop buying her music and unfollow her.
No one’s forcing her to be famous? Are we forcing her to go on ig live and twitter rants all day?? Many celebrities have assistants who run their social media.
i feel like the pressure is just too much for doja. its so sad to lose ariana and doja in THE SAME YEAR but just bcs doja cat is going through a hard time that does not give her the right to be rude to the people *WHO LITERALLY MADE HER WHAT SHE IS TODAY* honestly being a doja fan from the start was hard. people need to see the toxic side of doja and her fandom, she is an attention seeker and doesnt have the right to blame anyone BUT HERSELF!! louder and louder Madisyn.
losing ariana?
What’s happening with Ari?
@@1tim3_JByou know “Break Up With Your Girlfriend, I’m Bored”? It turns out that dating taken men is allegedly her vibe (she also probably cheated on her husband).
@@biguattipoptropica hearing this as an Ariana fan ( kinda ), yikes.
@@1tim3_JBshe cheated on her husband with a married man.
I love the art in your background
Shes said she wants to stop making music and end her contract for years. But she owes them 5 albums
I think is bullsh*t, like man, yeah, parasocial relationships are freaky, but that doesn't justify how rude she is being, like wtf dude, shes generalizing her fans, not everyone is a weirdo, shes just ungrateful. Like yeah, you're not our friend, but no one is asking you to be, they were just supporting her, that's some bullsh*t, her fans are humans that conneted with her, not props.
Definitely intentional, glad you said it. People are like "everyone is gonna leave you alone now" and I've been thinking that's what she's been going for..
Heyyyyyy
Girl! I was trying to find your channel LOL I'm glad the algorithm put it back
You're the only person who said it all so well and articulate 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 she wouldn't have had fans if she wasn't good at what she does and the people shitting on her and saying "you would be nothing without me" were never true fans, that mentality is gross and you can imagine what they expect from friends/family. If you like her music that doesn't mean she owes you anything, if you don't like her just move on, I understand her, fandoms can be so toxic.
honestly i respect your perspective and agree! The obsessive nature of stan culture actually needs to come crumbling down and I like that Doja is being transparent about it and tearing away at people's delusions. HOWEVER, she's a b*tch and just being a mean like girl who's projecting.....she needs therapy lowkey.
It ain't lowkey it is the HIGHEST-key 😂
She needs to get off social media fr. She's the one delusional for doing live sessions and insulting her fans.
and yet when the new album doesn’t preform well it will be the fans fault 🤨
I really like her music and i seriously don't care what she says or does, all i care about is her music.
The point I have to make has been pointed to in the comments here already. I want to point out that we didn’t used to have access to our “faves”. I’m in my 30s and I saw social media evolve. We were fans and the only interactions we had with our favorite artists was if we somehow were able to meet them before or after a concert. Or like fanmail? Which wasn’t actually the artist most the time. Stan culture is unhealthy and can be dangerous. I can’t imagine being famous today. Back in the day stars were hearing and seeing negative things about them in magazines or on tv, but to like be encouraged or even forced by your team to interact with fans or haters in a daily or even hourly basis. It’s too damn much
She said she doesn't like or want fame, so leave the girl alone. Ain't no point in arguing with someone who doesn’t care.
Then why does she keep going on live lol
@@MayaLove777 I think she wants to make people understand that she doesn't want to be put on a pedastool. To me it seems like she's fighting an invisible wall, trying to make people understand what she wants but not coming across clearly. I think she lashes out and rages because it's hard for her not to be able to construct her words and for her fans to not understand. I don't think lashing out at her fans is right or justified, just that she does it for a reason.
@@el7215 i agre with you so much. This behavior didnt come out of nowhere. I definitely dont agree with the way she is going about it, which is by lashing out and being a troll, but underneath the sarcasm and rudeness she has a point. People dont seem to realize how they dehumanize artists and devalue their work often. Some people actively say that artists should put up with any type os harassment just bc their life is supposedly better than 90% of people in the world. And look, you are not obligated to feel empathy for everyone, but at least realize that just bc someone is famous it doesn’t give you the right to make them your punch bag and take out all your frustrations and anger on them.
And it baffles me that some people will feel like an artist “owes them their careers” or that fans “pay their bills” and somehow that entitles them to dictate how that artist should express themselves and how they should live their life. As if by consuming their work you are doing them a favor or giving them a handout. They put time and effort and money behind that work. An album, a performance, a video is the fruit of their labor, and just bc its entertainment it doesn’t mean its morally inferior to you 9 to 5!! Its their JOB, the same way you have a job and want to get compensated by your labor. And no, your boss doesn’t get to dictate what you do with your life just bc they pay you.
this is how fans and artists interact ALL THE DAMN TIME. i am not sure what kind of comments and relationship she expects to receive from her fans, i really don't. are they supposed to just. stream, buy the music, go to her concerts and then go online and get harassed by her? she doens't OWE them anything, yes, but i also dont think anyone deserves this kind of treatment... this is conflicting i have no idea how to feel about it
YES LOL. The thing is that she can expect that. Believe it or not prior to the invention of social media that's what fans did. They bought records and went to concerts and maybe attended meet and greets and sent fan mail. Social media has made people feel like they should have access to celebrities 24/7. They are people not machines. They have lives and obligations and relationships outside of being g your favourite artist. And no they are not obligated to tell you they love you.
how i see it is that while she doesn't owe them a relationship, she definitely owes them a level of appreciation/respect for being the reason she's so successful
@@valerieeirelav7515YES, this is like the bare minimum and she's just acting childish
Yeah I understand her pov but at the same time even Taylor Swift needs her stans for the tickets the albums without stans you can’t be on these stadium tours
@@Ashley-bm9gcok but celebs themselves live off the attention they claim to hate, it’s all just money to them. They go in lives and interact with fans, tf are you expecting? The most privileged ppl on earth complaining is so funny to me. Like ok 1st world problems, there’s ppl eating dirt and starving, wishing they could have 1% of what they have. They should grow up and suck it up, it’s a job and no job is gonna be perfect. You chose fame so deal with it.
very well articulated video and got my neurons tingling. thank you
it all comes down to this: if you dont want to support a musician for any reason, then just dont support them anymore. fans have a hard time accepting that because while they disagree w the artist or dont like the artist anymore, there’s still a part of them that wants to consume that artist’s content. so they try to get the artist to change back to a public persona they like (or to making the type of music they like) so they can continue investing time & money into the artist. the issue lies in the fact that “fans” want to control celebs so they dont feel moral or emotional conflict in investing time & money into the musician that they still wanna support. i dont want to put a judgment on these people as “healthy” or not, but i dont think these people fit (or should fit) the definition of a “fan.” fans are essentially patrons of an artist’s art. of course it helps if the artist is likeable. but it crosses a line when they start to see these artists as objects/dolls/machines that they can control or change. because then youre not approaching the artist as a human (flawed & still deserving of basic respect). youre see them as a mere product, and youre the product manager.
but i also empathize with the misguided fans. i think musicians are in a very complex position bc their art is also a part of who they are…but also a product.
in contrast with sports, for example, like kobe, tons of kids looked up to him & formed a parasocial relationship w kobe, the basketball star. but the fact that he has a complicated family life doesnt deter people from watching him play basketball bc it’s easy to separate ball talent/work ethic from personal life.
musicians/artists dont get that clear separation as much bc their music is often ABOUT themselves. because of this, i can understand why it’s easy for a fan to care about who the artist is as a whole and have their feelings hurt when the art and artist they supported felt like a lie. there IS a sense of betrayal there that i think is a natural feeling and reaction, even if the relationship is parasocial.
and also parasocial relationships get a bad rep sometimes… we have parasocial relationships with the mailman, the deity of our religions, penpals, in-game or online friends, remotely working colleagues, and even our professors. yes social media made it into a very extreme & exaggerated problem. but every article & social commentary video only explores how parasocial relationships are so horrible and insinuating that people who form these relationships are unhealthy or mentally unstable… i really want to push back on that.
The people touching on the behaviour are definitely what people call stans. You nailed it.
I’ve never been a fan of her nor do I dislike her, but seeing these videos and comments genuinely make me feel bad for her fans. I understand that she may want some sort of way out, but insulting the people that support her and want the best for her just bc she wants a different audience or whatever just makes her look like a spoiled child.
she can just delete her accounts if she hates being famous. She is also just gross for defending her bf when there is irrefusable proof.
I was NOT ready for 5:27 ahsdgah such a great video as always!
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To be honest she worries me... I'm kind of scared for her mental health. It feels like she’s really unhappy and angry and lashing out. It's sad
She’s lonely, she’s always been pretty honest about her not having friends. That’s why she can’t stop doing lives, she’s alone that’s why she’ll take any man that sticks around too. I’ve literally never seen her interact with her family or talk about a family member she’s close with. The only person she seems to have around is jstay.
She seems to be having a hard time with abandonment and her fans have been ruthless on social media especially TikTok about her, saying she worshiping the devil and that she looked so much better when she was on tour etc etc. I see this as her feeling like people are pushing her to be a certain way or they’ll withhold their love and admiration and I think that pissed her off and led her to push people away even more and to do even crazier looks.
I think she needs to see a therapist and to find new ways to connect to people and build a small community with people who love and support her as a friend. Also the whole bf being an abuser, I’m sorry but doja is definitely someone I would expect to end up in a relationship with an abuser, obviously she’s going to deny and turn a blind eye, abusers are super manipulative, that’s why Chris brown still has partners. Doja is probably entering an abusive relationship without realizing it and won’t understand or believe her victims until it’s too late. Just like girls underage who refuse to listen when advised against dating the 25+ yo who’s manipulating and love bombing them.
@@Proserpina777I agree, I think she is lonely, it is lonely being at the top sometimes, plus she’s always had a hard time making friends because she’s interracial so it can be hard for her to fit into traditional circles. I don’t think she talks too much about her family because she wants to protect them from fame, and also she doesn’t seem to be too close with her extended family, especially since her father abandoned her. I think she definitely needs to work on her issues in therapy, but there’s no need to lash out at her fans online. Hopefully she finds a community of healthy people to be around instead of just putting her self worth all in the hands of whatever guy she’s currently dating, because she needs to value herself and have healthy relationships even if she breaks up with her boyfriend.
One of her songs talks about this "Addiction" from Hot Pink speaks openly about it that she feels lonely and needs someone to look out for her and feel less alone.
Is one my favs form that album but no one really talks about it