doja cat: the cost of commercial success
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- what do you think will be doja cat's next step in her career?
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It really seems like Doja’s team is milking her for all she’s worth, regardless of her mental health. You can tell she’s absolutely exhausted and she hasn’t gotten a break since Say So blew up. I really hope she can get away from Dr Luke, it’s heartbreaking to see another incredibly talented woman start crumbling under his label and control.
(Also, I don’t think she’s ever going to get the awards recognition she deserves until Dr Luke’s name is no longer credited in her music, ie the Grammy she won this year was one where he wasn’t also nominated since it just went to the performers and not the producers, but if she would’ve won an award like AOTY, he would’ve won a Grammy for AOTY as well and the Grammys were not going to do that)
Well she just won a Grammy & I heart radio award I think recently so I guess only time will tell
Have you heard of a comedian named Louis C.K.? He admitted to sexual misconduct on some women a few years ago and he just won a Grammy for Best Comedy Album. So, yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ever wins a Grammy in anything.
I don’t believe this anymore.
After she popped off on tik tok, yes she was doing a hell of a lot (including all the shoots and modelling etc)
But this year, her workload has been no more than anyone else in music.
To a certain extent, if you want to get into music, you have to tour, you have to release records, do interviews, shoots etc.
I think so many of her fans saw that tweet she made last year (about being overworked) and have since used that to give her a pass on everything.
I thought he was helpful and what not to her career but first song I heard was go to town… I didn’t get it. Then people kept pushing her song moo on me then I liked her when she did Tia tamera/juicy
She could sue him since he did sign her under his label as a minor
Saw her live when her biggest hit was Moo. Now like 3 years later she's headlining Coachella and performing every award show. It's gotta be such a dramatic change in lifestyle.
@Rain Rain Go Away how does that relate to the initial comment?
@Rain Rain Go Away how can u perform if your voice is not really... in a good condition? or you just want to embarass herself infront of thousands of ppl while she is performing?
She use to look better
@@foxlisas she was her to fake it
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Honestly, I am just sick of people getting so obsessed with celebrities. I understand enjoying being entertained by the music, performances, movies, TH-cam videos etc that all kinds of creatives make. However, so many people then put all these obligations onto these people that literally no other profession gets. They obsess over them in public, give them a bunch of awards, stalk them, judge them when they do things in their own time etc. Treat humans like humans!
100% Agreed
I feel like this ties into cancel culture as well. People wouldn't be nearly as upset about others actions if we stopped putting them on a pedestal to begin with. I don't know how we've come to a place where public humiliation is deemed acceptable. Just because we exist in an advanced civilization doesn't mean we're immune to making really bad mistakes. We're human.
I agree! 💯💯💯
This is so true. So sad that some people can't acknowledge this
Is this because of the Paraguay thing?
people didnt learn a lot from britney. art thrives on independance, freedom and personal life experience. when those are taken away from you because of fame or a label then its becoming incredibly difficult to mature and develop. rosalia also is critiqued alot for her new album because people liked her prior stuff a lot but i see it as a good sign that she is not scared to change her music and style when she feels like it. this is what keeps peoples art alive and their mental state sane.
Or Whitney Houston, Bobby Christina, DMX, Chadwick Boseman, Michael Jackson. People never learned from slavery why would they learn from the products of it. Stop exploiting people period and coming up with reasons for their exploitation. It was always wrong, people just never cared. Not about the people or their obviously wrong exploitation, it's life. It should have never been up for criticism, because it wasn't people made it that way
@@charis7513 Chadwick???
@@omoid1749 yes Chadwick. Being forced to work when he was literally dying of cancer, being mercilessly bullied, taunted, and harassed while receiving chemo. Or is it our people harassing and accusing him in public for the sake of it. Yes Chadwick, and it isn't nor will it ever be funny. People have lost their real lives because of this. Britney is just a poor white woman that profited from the industry and found out it never cared. Stop glorifying and leave people alone. That's it, cause I bet if some of your faves start speaking publicly about their abuse at the hands of stans, it wouldn't be taken so lightly
...okay first you need to calm the fuck down Lucy. I asked about Chadwick because I don't leave yonder and don't know all the fine details of that pop culture. Based on the original comment I thought you were mentioning other artists that were also brought into fame through exploitative contracts. This was me genuinely not knowing and being surprised at your example. Because. I genuinely didn't know. Because like I'm not on that side of the world keeping up with your tabloids. Me asking you is hoping to get more light shed on something I believed you knew more about. I was even seeing that maybe there was a theory about him being forced to work while doing chemo rather than him doing it willingly. I thought you had information on something like that.
Coming to attack me for glorifying or vilifying or hat the fuck ever and then accusing me of faves or whatever else tells me you're looking for a fight. So calm the fuck down. This isn't Stan Twitter, this is a learning educational space and everyone here is learning. Chill.
Also, I don't think the comment of OP was focused solely on stan culture so much more as it is the greediness of record deals combined with stans can overwhelm a "fave" as you call it.
Lastly, I don't really have any faves. I'm not really a stan. I think stan culture is weird and they're hella toxic. Truth be told if we look at my single comment and your rant, you are the one giving stan energy. But maybe someone else pissed you off is all. Sha dont lash at me
@@charis7513 Thank you for bringing up Black Artist. People always ignore them. People always bring up Britney, but never any Black Artist before her.
I dont blame her for wanting to quick. The industry and the social media era is lethal.
Exactly, we saw what social media and quick fame did to the D'amelios, they can't even get a break ( I don't condone shitty things they did but damn it looks like they aren't even happy in the spotlight anymore)
@@brigc7755 what did they even do, besides the chicken nugget thing?
@@maddiem1908 profited from trends created by black people without giving credit
@@thatrantinggirl7376 lol they just danced like the rest of ppl on tiktok but got endorsements from it. i bet most ppl would do the same. tiktok is mainly dancing to dances ppl created. thats the point. them dancing doesnt mean they are taking credit for it. they just got views for it. its about whats popular, not who made it
@@MsDudette21 the excuse that "well but everyone does it" isn't great. Like yeah, black people carry tiktok and they're stolen from constantly, but that isn't a good or ok thing to be happening and it shouldn't be normalized
People talk about how bad kpop contracts are but they truly don't realize that happens for most artists in the US too. It's the exact same kind of debt contracts and the artists have no say in how much their labels spend on them and how much more debt they accumulate.
hahhh this might be harsh but the difference between k pop contacts and western ones is that the k pop people are trained and the beauty standard is different so in Korea they need to be underweight and extremely skinny while in the states you must be thick and have a somewhat decent face, but yeah the world runs on money and most public figures and persons who create or use talent are exploited. Athletes, musicians, artists usually they don't earn much money usually its the choreographers, producers and behind the scene people who earn the income. that's also why labels usually have slave contracts with artists not allowing them to stop making music until the contract is up or they have to pay aloot of money which they cant afford so they keep up with the abusive cycle of the music industry.
it’s similar but not the same in a lot of ways
Suge Knight had Tupac in a debt contract after bailing him out of jail.
Yess! The big difference is that poeple see more of what is going on behind the scenes in K-pop. Like the same stuff is happening in the west but we simply do not know about it meanwhile cause of how obsessed k pop stans are we find out more about the industry in k pop.
Both the western and eastern music industries suck in terms of mistreatment
I felt that Doja Cat was really immature but honestly, there’s reasons for it. She dropped out of school at 16 and has been working on her music ever since then. Now, it’s like she’s completely blown up after not being known for a bit and she’s gone completely mainstream. She’s literally been performing non-stop and there’s no sign that it’s going to stop anytime soon. I honestly feel bad for her, it seems like she’s suffering but can’t say anything especially that twitter rant she did a while ago.
plus she was in a toxic relationship and doing drugs
I feel she likes the attention at the same time since not really having it before.
THIS.
@@KurosakiLuvar01 The girl has her own personal demons, which she’s even addressed a bit in her music. I just hope she has opportunity to heal.
And thats taking away the time for her to get reeducated its honestly sad.
I feel like she will never quit music. even if she takes a break or a stand against her contract or something she'll always be releasing some goofy shit on soundcloud. I hope she knows that's all we need as her true fans and all we want for her as a human.. because ultimately I only listen to her soundcloud stuff anyway cuz that's the raw doja I fell in love with and will love forever
She won’t quit music it’s how she bought her face
@@Iambunny-ry2os go cry about it
@@Iambunny-ry2os bro what the fuck
I feel like if you’re that good at music it must be so fun that it’s hard to stop
@@spaceowl5957 that's what it's like when you really love to do something ♥
3:56 completely agree with this. This is why my goal as an independent artist is NOT to become famous. I want to have a music career where I not only have control over what I do - but I don’t want to be recognized everywhere I go and judged by everything I do. Lots of people don’t even understand the risks associated with becoming a household name, or even how difficult it is to go viral on TikTok or anywhere else just from a song. It’s brutal out there!!
But don’t you want people to hear the music you make sometimes that comes with being famous
@@kait7404 yes of course - but there’s lots of ways to have indie success as a musician without fame
@@sabrinatheart I’m genuinely curious tho wouldn’t you still be kinda famous but just like not as famous
Same here
Yeah kind of same
I would like to be a semi known performer, just enough to make a pretty comfortable living but definitely not a household name
Doja is definitely one of those artist who’s just great no matter if she singing or rapping
Her dancing skills are very great too. She’s just an amazing artist overall
Doja is amazing period
@@autumn.o4112 but she can’t sing live . Watch candy performance;/
@@mem5091 from one performance? She's had other good live performances
Rules is so sick. It doesn't get wnough credit. Her flow is insane on it, and the references! She is clever af
frrrr
I thought Rules would be the biggest hit on that album. wonderful mv too
RULES AND STREETS IS OFF THE CHAINS!!
Seeing the way strangers treat people with more hostility the more notoriety they have makes me literally afraid to be famous or known or recognized at all like I even hate working customer service and being recognized once a week while I'm running errands
Right, being famous and known only shows the REAL hell we live in
So true about retail lol customers go home and discuss how you were that day. Don’t get me wrong I love my customer (excluding the karens) but damn sometimes I just want to go to the post office without having long small talk haha
Some people thrive on the attention. Or think they want it until they realize how horrible it can be. I was a bartender for years and run into my old regulars constantly. I want to hide in the bushes to avoid small talk because in reality I'm super shy and single task focused. I just wanna buy my groceries and go home. So I feel you there.
@@jessjess23brooks89 not wanting small talk !!! I thought I was crazy for trying to avoid all that unnecessary awkwardness. If you and a person were meant to connect it will happen smoothly and comfortably right?
I do lifestyle and commercial modeling part time. So most of the ads i do my name is never on. But i did a lot of work last year which is starting to come out this year and it seems like alot more people are noticing me especially men. Even a staff member at my apartment building approached me in the mail room asking if i modeled. I said yes and didn’t even tell him my name. He followed me on Instagram that same night and messages me everyday. Everywhere it’s someone saying “you look familiar” which is kinda scary.
Doja cat is crazy talented. But that is nowhere related to her personality. I find that while being on the ‘relatable, unapologetically funny and in your face’ anthem she slides towards being unprofessional. The Lorry hill and Paraguay feud were just some of the perfect times to expose the things she needs to work on. There’s a difference between being bold and rude.
Yup !! Love doja but she has some work to do. I really want to see her mature bc she’s a great artist.
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Yup its really true. Some people just dont realise the difference between boldness and rudeness
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yup! being talented and famous doesn't justify being rude
the weirdest thing to me abt celebrities is what ppl expect them to tolerate. even their own fans treat them like shit when they aren’t acting like dancing monkeys. but the second they clap back, it’s a problem.
then they should “respect their fans” who do nothing but disrespect them.
This!!!!
Not to mention some of the fans were hurling racial slurs at her, but no one in the mainstream was talking about that
I wouldn’t say tiktok exactly is what helped her career but just the internet in general. It’s funny cause ‘Candy’ was the first song I heard from her years ago because of the Instagram editing community I was in back then. Her songs were perfect editing material for fandom edits and for me at the time it felt like she was already a well known artist, at least to the editing community she was.
Edit: mom I’m famous, thanks for the likes🥹
The first one I heard from her was "so high" wayyyy back and I was like "I've never heard anything like this before". So happy to see her getting the recognition she deserves but I'm shocked that musicians can be held to contracts signed pre-adulthood for so long. It really shouldn't be legal
@@k3upikachu same😭 i rememebr finding so high on soundcloud in like 2014-15. i was always hoping she’d break out into the mainstream
omg i forgot she even made Candy 🤯
@@eternalbliss330 I think I found it as a TH-cam recommended video when I was down a music rabbit hole!! She's been talented since forever and deserves all the succuss
YESSS SO WHEN I STARTED LISTENING I WAS LIKE OMGGGG I EDITED TO THIS
i think the people who are ready/better suited for fame tend to keep themselves away from the internet. i always find the ones who deal with it easier are the ones who disappear every now and then.
I always use The Weeknd's case as an example.
@@xothehost123 yea and Lorde too
Facts!
Exactly. Doja is not emotionally mature enough for fame yet, hopefully she’ll grow out of this weird quirky girl phase
@@Pink_pr1ncess so people can’t have individual personalities? Maybe that’s her personality why should she change just to suit you and other people let her be herself stop trying to change
Fun fact: many art schools own a student's artwork if that student created that artwork for a school assignment, used it for any assignment, or displayed it in their final portfolio. The school could sue the artist if they ever use that work to make money in the future. The school can use any student's artwork as they please for as long as they please, this includes advertising.
I'm sure similar situations exist for most creative art's schools, especially in America.
this makes me glad i never went to art school
My school used my art for their front cover .
Um, I have an MFA in studio art and have never heard of this, in any way. Can you give some context? Because that is a huge statement that, to my knowledge, is absolutely false. Unless there are some specific cases, like winning some sort of recognition for a contest or award and having that be used in promotional material. But that is very specific and not relevant to most art students lives
Bruh I know a couple of former classmates at my art school who were livid that after they dropped out, their art was used as promotional content for the school. It kinda sucks especially when at least one of them dropped out specifically cause they hated the school.
Oooohhh????
IF she had the choice to, she could literally go on a hiatus like adele or frank ocean and come back with a quality album that she's proud of and i would always be waiting for her return. i feel like she is nonstop preforming and working ever since she's dropped planet her. i hope she gets a lengthy break that she deserves.
As part of her contract tho she is bound for 6 albums tho. So if like she does take a break and come back better that Dr Scammer Luke still owns it all. So honestly i understand if she doesn’t want to give 7 more albums of her best work over for free basically
Honestly, I consider MOOO! a lyrical masterpiece; the references, the humor, the attitude - just the puns in general. Writing such a genius song about a banal af topic like being a cow is stunning and chreative as hell
That was my first video of hers.. super funny.
The fact that DOJA CAT, who is SERIOUSLY TALENTED, had to dress up as a cow and fucking moo for 2 minutes in order for her label to notice her, IS FUCKING CRAZY!!!!
Imagine she quits and becomes a twitch streamer, I just find that a bit funny lol, but honestly not a bad idea.
She used to stream lol she was rlly funny
That seems like it would be something she’d really enjoy
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@@reas0nsihate 😂
i don't caree what anyone says, Doja is the most exciting popstar of this new generation. she knows how to be an IT girl, fashion girl, rapper, singer, performer, have great music visuals and make albums with nothing but hits!
Yeah that's the PROBLEM. CELEBRITY IDOLISING . not everything a celebrity you adore does it becomes totally acceptable and cool. the way she handled lory hill ' s situation and called her bad names and that she needed some work done while calling herself all natural was and will never be acceptable. Somethings aren't cool no matter who does it even if it's doja
@@calmdownsis exactly. people let their admiration for celebrities affect their judgements. you can accept that your fav did something wrong while still liking them
Blind fan
@@calmdownsis nobody here idolized her she just spittn facts. I mean doja cat is super interesting. And interesting can also mean handling the lory hill situation immaturely. It’s not good. Still interesting and almost all her songs are bops. I’m not her biggest fan or whatever, she’s just the most interesting mainstream stars since 2015 imo
mary magdalene is such a good album, love fka twigs
Doja cat is talent exploited, that’s why people gatekeep. They changed her body, “refined” her sound. Gave her shit tons of money and drugs and told her to carry the music industry on her back. Now she’s going through a split between ✨ Doja Cat ✨ who messed up in Paraguay and lorry hill and Doja cat the talented nerd.
Her body has always been hers. Can y’all stop thinking Black Women’s bodies are some weird thing and suggest people “change them”. Jesus.
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 i think they mean they made her lose lots of weight 💀
omg thank you for mentioning the body bit. I was thinking she lost tons of weight since like the Moo video. maybe it was what she wanted but w the way Hollywood is, it was probs not
@@hinab.5132 if you’re constantly traveling, dancing, making music videos, and on the move and expending more energy then being more dormant do you not think you would lose weight ?
@@haleyjadelovethatname no actually I think you could easily gain weight w that lifestyle. Traveling usually means eating out a lot. Stress usually raises cortisol and puts weight on. Doja also decided to get a boob job after people made fun of her boobs at her creepy eyes wide shut party. She’s definitely decided to mold her body based on public opinion.
She’s really really good don’t get me wrong but the way she talks to people sometimes isn’t okay. Like people shouldn’t talk or treat their fans like that. She’s just under a lot of pressures .
There was a big storm going on outside and you expected her to come out and talk to all of her 50+ fans? They literally leaked her hotel, invaded her privacy and because she decided to stay inside until it pasted, she's that bad person?
@@bootyguru8727 I just expect you to be nice to the people that support you and show a little bit more professionalism I LIKE HER ALOT I understand her
@@gabriellaaa11.11 where is the professionalism with her fans? Those people don’t deserve her respect if it means putting her in danger
Everyone deserves respect. EVERYONE. Her fans are not professionals so they don’t have to be professional. They’re paying her not the other way around☹️
@@gabriellaaa11.11 so if someone is paying you it is okay for them to invade your privacy and put your life in danger and not give you space
she aint going anywhere. shes just tired but u can see she loves music,her coachella set was epic and we’ll see her talent for a long time.
Yea sometimes these artists take a break and come back she might do that
doja cat: "quitting guys!"
*releases scarlet*
I think we need to stop treating contracts that were signed before somebody is a legal adult as valid long-term (or not even allow long-term contracts to be signed before someone's 18).
Children can't consent to big things, right? This is life changing too. (and even if a parent/guardian does it, it's still a bit eh wrong imo. At least in this context!)
Tbh I’d be interested in your take on Princess Nokia’s career. She’s an independent artist that recently got signed by a major label but makes it a point to talk about how she’s read her contract and owns her masters. She blew up on the internet as Wavy Spice and almost got signed but she decided to stay independent and rebrand herself and make music on her own terms.
I love Princess Nokia for that!!
I love Princess Nokia ! I love how she reinvents herself with every album
Yes!
princess nokia is high key crazy, at least that's what people in nyc have passed around.
LOVE her song Anomaly!!
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE
Those tweets where she said Alex is 68 and i can't even be there for him really hit hard. My cats are my world and i would absolutely hate to be away from them all the time and no amount of money or fame could change that. Doja seems like the type who lives and breathes music but she's also a homebody so it can be incredibly difficult i imagine
I have really, really mixed feelings about Doja. On one hand, I love her music, her image, her aesthetics, she's really talented and I think she writes her own music too. But I'm just so torn and hurt by the way she treats her fans, and other people, like Lorry Hill, and the Paraguay issue. Great music, TERRIBLE temper. I get that criticism or certain things can trigger you or make you angry, but someone with a platform as big as hers should KNOW the cost of "cancelling" or ruining other people's lives JUST because you don't like what they said about you.
i remember when she got extremely mad at her fans for being worried about her DRASTIC lost of weight.
@@faeriiluvr7780 Because that is creepy and intrusive. Listen to this video again. You’re not getting it. You’re forgetting that Doja Cat is a person. Would you want a million people asking you a bunch of questions about why you’re losing a bunch of weight? What if she had cancer? I lost a lot of weight really quickly with mine. It’s really rude to pry into people’s personal stuff like that. It’s also very creepy.
@@jessicah4462 having fans that genuinely care about you is not intrusive…she’s been doing shows back to back with 3 day breaks which is taking a toll on her body and working out almost every day so stop trying to bring up cancer when she doesn’t even have that😭 if something bad was to happen to her and no one cared wouldn’t that be sad? people being worried about her weight and health is “creepy”? LMAO and she’s also being overworked and exploited by her label so idk about you but to me that’s concerning.
i feel like there’s grey areas in both of those issues. lorry hill: she was unnecessarily rude and mean. but hey, you can’t examine and speculate something as personal as someone’s body and not expect some backlash. And she’s CAPITALIZING off of it. it doesn’t matter if she’s being “respectful”. she could very well be spreading misinformation. it gives a very nice nasty vibe. plastic surgery is still hella stigmatized. most girls watch those videos and yeah it exposes the celebs that claim they’re ‘natural’, but a lot of the girlies like to put women down and diminish their beauty for getting the surgery. let’s not act like every girl watches her videos to feel better about their own bodies. the paraguay issue is in no way doja’s fault. lemme break this shit down. doja cat CANCELLED her concert for PUBLIC SAFETY due to a dangerous storm . the fans promptly, put their own safety at risk, stalked dojas location at her private hotel, and EXPECTED her to say hi. she was not obligated to do anything because she was off the clock and everybody knew. at that point, she was just a person trying to chill in her hotel, sure it might’ve been nice but the fans aren’t entitled to it. especially since nobody asked them to go there, they themselves decided to go and violate her privacy. i just think celebrity is a huge load for doja cat.
@@jessicah4462 honestly it depends. When it comes to normal people it makes sense that usually they would be dieting for other reasons but kpop stars and other artists tend to be forced into diets and are forced to lose large amounts of weight. Again keeping on talking about an artist weight can make them uncomfortable and shouldn't be asked, but if they have lost TONS of weight ( I don't mean few) then maybe it's okay for fans to comment on what happended. Not in a rude way, just from concern.
doja is really talented in everything so i hope she sticks around and just does her own thing, i will still be here and support
When I think about, Doja may be really neurotic lately due to being over booked and stressed tf out. In no way I am justifying her actions that are likely true, but it just explains so much and if a break is just what she needs in order to pull herself 2gether then she needs to go for it.
Yeah, something about her feels... Off, lately. She's so angry, stressed, snaps at everything and anything. Like she's in a state of mania constantly. I would know more than anyone because I suffer from BPD, and... Her rants and rage attacks make me think of how I would react to minor things if I didn't hold myself back. I kind of feel bad for her, even though she's being really mean to everyone.
This could be very valid.
As a 9 to 5’er I’ll never understand the schedule of a artist/performer. Like imagine HAVING to work 7 days a week no breaks, I’d be neurotic as well!
@@tkjspeaks1491 Sweatshop workers: allow us to introduce ourselves
@@remmie6744 her lil tattoo spree lately has also been giving me BPD vibes, as a fellow BPD sufferer. 🙃
I’m studying music business in my college and we were reviewing some record label contracts today. To some it up, it’s VERY important to know exactly what you’re signing. If they get a chance to, they will screw you over. Always have a lawyer to review the contracts before signing. Your videos are very clear and well put together 👏
I think your perspective is very healthy and refreshing amidst the harshness of the internet. I do believe she’s going through a stressful time. She’s a human. With emotions like everyone else. I appreciate the compassion that you express your thoughts with in this video.
Also really liked how educated you are about the music industry. There’s too many artists signing their life away because they don’t have this type of knowledge.
i'm honestly scared that the same thing will happen to tyla too. she got very big very fast and i just hope she has people looking out for her.
As a big fan it breaks my heart that the industry took her art, a whole part of her, and basically made her miserable doing it. This is a big thing we see in book publishing too, they have the rights to all your work, they tell you what you can and can’t write and how much or how little to give. All while giving you shit money. It’s funny how people think that artists don’t make money unless you’re famous. Artists are exploited FOR money, they can if they have full power over themselves, but will be snuffed out by commercialism. there is no end to industries.
musicians can make money especially for songwriting,producing,or sync licensing.But it is a career where it is not easy to just rely on to make a living for non famous people.
I can imagine how overwhelming it could be as a celebrity. I am a very emotional person myself and I would break down if I was thrown to the spotlight. People tend to forget that we’re only human and we like to enjoy what we want, no one wants to work and not get their dues. I wouldn’t blame her if she vanished after her contract is up.
Hey madisyn I just wanted to say that the Paraguay thing, from what I heard is that there were some fans at her hotel and those that couldn’t go likely had their houses flooded. I may respect her as an artist and I enjoy her music, this is definitely a moment that does feel strange with me
Doja is to much of a nonconformist to belong to a label, she’s got the ppl of internet behind her she can do it herself
Honestly the more I hear about things like this the stronger I feel that labels are just not worth the risk for anyone since shit keeps going wrong and going badly. I have some music goals and I don't plan on signing ever because of all this. I hope all this stuff creates a new generation of more aware and more free artists.
Honestly her, um , quirkiness can get a bit annoying and immature. But I've been questioning myself if that's because of ingrained conditioning for women to act more mature.
EDIT : Y'all doing way too much in the replies 🥱
I always ask myself if I would feel equally tired of it imagining that is a man doing the same and in this case the answer is yes
tbh i get annoyed by men doing the same shit
@ini cuz she's a woman and woman are supposed to be calm and collected🙄
@@GirlDo3 Women can be whatever they wanna be.
U don’t gotta vibe with everyone, personally think she’s annoying
Like ariana did, (Cause Ariana deleted her twitter, she barely posts and she seems happy) Doja should just release music and then back away from the internet. It sems that she likes doing instagram live's she can still do that but take time and rest as well. Her label is overworking her
She should definitely back off social media. Bc its gonna be bad. She needs a good PR team that sort out drama online, not her.
Doja doesn’t have any career without the internet, for her it’s everything. Ariana doesn’t need Twitter or Instagram or tiktok she would be famous anyway
I remember finding her in 2014 with “So High” and loving her music. To this day it remains one of my favourite songs. I wasn’t surprised she started getting fame (I was actually really happy she was getting the recognition!) but I did notice that things seemed to pick up rather quickly. I couldn’t imagine the stress
I recognized her when “Say So” was released, apparently i’ve heard her song previously called “Moo!” which makes me laugh. My fav song from her is “So High”, you could tell how passionate she was in it. I feel bad for her and hopefully there’s still a way out.
That girl ain't going no where 😂 she just blowing off steam I still empathize with the burn out aspect tho
Honestly, I think you're playing down what happened in Paraguay.
There were clasist tweets she liked/retweeted and said she wasn't sorry, after the backlash she got she started tweeting about retiring, later quoted her own tweet that said "I'm not sorry" stating she now was sorry.
Also, I don't think her tweet about leaving Paraguay with no one outside of the hotel was a misunderstanding. There were people despite of the storm, eventually they left because of it, and when she was leaving she tweeted something along the lines of "y'all are hating on me but when I left there wasn't a single fan outside LET THAT SINK IN" ofc no one was outside there was a huge storm???? She could've gone out earlier? What about the way she behaved the night before at a local restaurant??
She IS crazy talented, but that shouldn't be an excuse for her poor behavior.
That tweet was fakee 😭😭😭 the person who made that screenshot said they thought it would be "a lil jokey joke" twt stans r evil
@@joyie9137 No, as far I know, the fake one was a screenshot of her liking a tweet making fun of latinoamerica's economical issues, and that was the misunderstanding cuz it got her most of the hate from the Latino community that time.
Also I agree the one who did the fake is evil, idk wtf they were trying to accomplish with that.
The liked tweet was photoshopped and she wasn’t complaining she was explaining to the haters and she said THE NEXT DAY when y’all eventually left she went outside when it was safer but no one was there stop spreading false info
@@mariesalguero9795 latino americans literally called her racist slurs after what happened and they were DISGUSTING 🤢🤢 horrible ass behaviour she made fun of them they deswrved that shit.
@@jasmineluvsnana That's what I said? The screenshot of her liking a tweet making fun of us for being poor was fake, and the one who did it is a weirdo. However there was a really bad storm, lots of people died, lots of people left homeless, and she was complaining that no one was there when she left, and although I don't think it deserves all that hate, it was a shitty thing to say.
I’m sorry your Taylor swift video didn’t do as well as you’d hoped it would! I really enjoyed it! Also thank you for making this, I worry about Doja. I hope she gets the help she needs.
I think the Swifties need to blow it up, I DO NOT like Taylor Swift one but, like h@te her. But that video is amazing!
this was 1 year ago, but she still hasn't stopped doing music but she has gone crazy lol she said she hates her fans and complained ab them liking her stuff and spreading it
The people in the comments of her live (that clip you showed) were all really heartless. They talked to her as if she was an object thats only meant to pump out music. And even while shes saying she has no choice, people were saying "no one cares" or "just dont do it" "whos forcing you?" "You'll get 8 grammys babe, how do you feel?"
Shes there, speaking genuinely about issues, and all they focused on was the fact that it was to do with her feelings and not the music she makes.
I feel sorry for Doja, really
It's wild that she has to clarify what she meant when she said she was tired. Everyone gets sick of working and their job, everyone complains about their job. I'm glad it sounds like people were understanding about it but sometimes you just need to complain and move on with your day!
This is why I keep working to produce my own music and it’s hard and it doesn’t pay and it doesn’t circulate the same as the way a brand would promote it but I love having full control over my sound and image and happiness
idk you but i love this for you and this sounds great omg
Doja is one of those artist who would rather be independent . She values her freedom and I been following her since 2015 and sis would literally make her beats on live and she didn’t even know what she was doing at first. A lot of people don’t know that about her. She is an artist who genuinely loves her craft. Once you go mainstream you lose all your freedom and then you’re constantly plagued with the chance that if you don’t do something that they will threaten your career. She was pretty big independent , dr luke literally ruins every single artist . I think she started the wild crazy look because all people would do would call her too thick , too skinny , her looks were a wayyy outshining her talent on a mainstream level. One thing they can’t control is your hair . And that’s why a lot of artist do it is because they can’t force you to put a wig on or how you express yourself. Doja has a very different and kinda dry personality. Being that I have one too peopoe don’t understand it and it turns some people off. But people forget sis is only 26 years old . She went from making bank doing everything herself and having a loyal fanbase to being controlled and not even being able to go on live without being harassed. Like the tiny chat thing, her tweets, etc.. she has to monitor constsntly now. Even when she was asked on the carpet . It was obvious she was told not to speak on it again. I pray Doja finds peace again because she’s got the talent to where she can maintain without actually needing a big push . I think she is just young and when you says a few Ms on a contract anybody her age is gonna read the first few sentences and then sign.
I'm loving this serie, can't wait for the next episodes!
I'm so sorry that Doja ended up in this exploiting contract, she's clearly so talented and doesn't deserve all this stress
Bruh the music industry is shit everywhere. I've also learnt a fair bit about the kpop industry and it's kinda the same thing, but with the training. They have to pay for the training they get so in most cases unless they're super famous from the get go, all of the money they make from music in the beginning and even later just disappears. There's more to it, but it's crazy to think that artists are fucked everywhere.
Also unrelated but related, I recall seeing a clip of Selena Gomez saying something like "I can't wait for peeople to forget about me"...I would never want to be famous that shit sounds stressful, I'd go insane lmao
i always say i wish i was famous but the amount of celebrities that sometimes wish they weren’t famous makes me second guess everything and yea it really does sound stressful i have bad anxiety so i would probably go insane too
The K-pop Industry got their business model from Motown.
kpop idols and artists are just plain and simple exploited. their whole lives for many are filmed and played online, they're put on crazy diets, crazy trainings and it's just modern slavery at it's finest. and as you said, many don't get properly paid after years of working and paying back their training (sometimes even costs like hotel rooms and plane tickets too). it's just awful.
YO WTF I HAVE THE SAME SAME AND PFP AS U
@@BigBoi9111 Slay!
not u describing the EXACT situation that literally shattered my heart a couple of months ago when describing ur song LOL, still not recovered from it but will be streaming!!!
Doja cat has been out for a long time I started listening to her at 18/19 and I’m now going to be 27. The jumó between indie and mainstream is scary
Finished the video. Great analysis! I really enjoy Doja Cat's music and had Planet Her on REPEAT! She is incredibly talented. I get it the music industry is exhausting. Her fans having nearly 24/7 access to her via social media is energy draining. She has earned a break. I hope she heals during her hiatus and gets her passion back. Sending her good vibes. 💓
I cried when when I herd say so for the first time and I watched the video as soon as it come out. I love her so much and I’m lucky enough to get to see her live in a little over a month. It makes me so sad to know she’s not loving it like her fans are. I’m not even into pop, rap, or hiphop. I’ve always loved heavy metal but I absolutely fell in love with her and her sound. I am now into so many more genres because I stated listening to her. If she is done with music it’s a shame but we just want her to be happy!
you’re literally so fun to watch your whole vibe is just lovely
I really love the way you're going about everything, promoting your music by just talking about what you're passionate about. The whole reason people make art is for the love of the art itself, to express themselves and feel free. But there are always going to be people who take advantage of others and will go out of their way to seek the youngest talented person they can because they'll be easier to control.
sigh.. I’m a hater but i do admire her but she does so much work but it’s sad that she has to work so much bc the music industry is such a machine. the power she holds for her music to chart is so high bc of tiktok. good luck to what she does but i hope it doesn’t destroy herself in the end. i will also be steaming your song yas
omg finallyyy ive been waiting for one of my favorite commentary youtubers to make a video abt dojaa
absolutely fantastic video. everything from the social media presence while being a celebrity being dangerous to how predatory music labels are. i remember being young and being obsessed with certain artists and the feeling of entitlement of 'this artists owes me for their fame' gets crazy and i think Doja probably gets a lot of that from her fans because of her online presence.
she’s a really good performer and producer, no doubt.
I just fell off with her bc she has started pissing me off more and more over the years, and now I can’t really listen to her music without it leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Particularly, the Lorry Hill situation is what did it for me..even though I was a loyal fan since Moo, I don’t think I like her anymore
Exactly, the Lorry Hill thing made me rethink the way I see her, even tho I still like her...
I literally seen her in a different way after the Lorry Hill situation. The way she came for Lorry was disgusting.
PLEASE never understood while yall ride that womans dick so hard when all she does is SCAMMINGGGG yalls delusional asses & be harmful
@@jasminecruz no it was not enough she should have pushed a lawsuit for the views & money she was getting from the video
@@lelec6923 Saying that maybe someone had plastic surgey won't hold up in court for a libel case. getting something done isn't bad. She was pointing out things that look different about her. Many celebs go under the knife and try to pull it off as natural.
Why does no one credit candy for giving her clout? Like c’mon every day in 2018 I would hear the girls in my class dance to that on fucking Musicaly not even Tik tok!!!
probably bc musically wasn’t as big as tik tok is nowadays. and say so blew the fuck up right as tik tok was blowing up too and getting insane amounts of users, it’s definitely the reason her career is as big as it is now.
@@kianna270 of course but this is not in comparison with say so (bc that’s unbeatable) it’s more so in comparison with moo. Like everyone says it’s what made her popular but I would argue candy had a big impact too and it was even released before.
Someone get doja and kim petras out of dr. puke’s grasp 🤢 they deserve better. that trash can needs to be rotting in prison …
actually kim is more than happy to work with him, so they deserve each other
@@user-lh4ft6xo4g kim really said “well he didn’t abuse me so he never hurt kesha” like what the fuck
Exactly. He's the white R. Kelly.🤮🤮🤮🤮
omg you are so pretty, for the first 10 minutes I couldnt hear nothing, was just staring at you. add to that your soft spoken beautiful voice, your humour and intelligence.. damn! (sorry, had to say that xD)
Yeah, the Dr. Luke thing is main reason I haven't fully paid Doja the attention she deserves. I'd love to support her without supporting him. I really hope she'll pull through (and other artists under that label).
You can do it through a VPN and download the video
Technically YOU aren't giving the view.
i remember really being into doja but can't same the same after her alleged fight with lorry hill. nonetheless i always love your commentary and your way of putting forward opinions !
Same. I was a huge fan for so long but that situation put a bad taste in my mouth.. I still like her and listen to her music tho. I hope she can apologize or acknowledge her immaturity in that situation.
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That fight wasn't "alleged". She literally livestreamed herself being extremely mean to Lorry and yelling at her hurtful things when that woman was just making a plastic surgery analysis in a respectful way.
Same and it wasn’t alleged, she was so nasty. I get being defensive but she did a lot imo and again, unintentionally mobilised fans cos fans will always defend their faves (valid) but I think as fans we need to be able to step back and notice when xyz is in the wrong
@@jnkrene5600 they were both in the wrong. The fact yall can't see how Lorry is microagressive vs Doja was just agressive cuz she keeps it real.
Loved your analysis on Doja's work-life balance, you do a phenomenal job of speaking both as a fan and outsider by analyzing artists in context of the zeitgeist and musical landscape around them.
I could sit here and watch you talk for hours. Your voice and way you discuss things really relaxes me
Your analysis of this is so clear and insightful. I love how you broke down such a complex environment into something easy to follow
The crazy thing about Dr. Luke is how talented he is on the production side. There is no need for him to be so controlling or stealing credit. Think about Max Martin for example, he's like Dr Luke without the evil side
maddison’s vocals are crazy 💗💗💗💗💗💗💗 it’s amazing how her whistle note is that good omg 😧
Your Taylor Swift video was amazing ! It’s sad it didn’t blow up. WAITING FOR PART TWO !!!!
i mean yes she is crazy talented and the music industry can be very shitty, but that doesn’t allow you to have a inappropriate behavior every time you get pissed off or tired without having any consequences, and yes, i get that the point of the video is showing how fast she got viral and the complicated situations she must have been going through this past few years but like… everyone has problems, there is a lot of people having jobs they don’t like at all and there is a lot of people outside with bigger issues than being tired of fame and we do not accept them to act in such disrespectful and immature ways because of it. also, it may sound cruel but she is a grown woman, she really needs to handle her shit and be responsible for her decisions, literally nobody forced her to choose this job and the lifestyle that comes with it
p.s: i’m sorry if there is some mistake, i’m still learning english
exactly! couldn't agree more!
I agree
exactly lmfao the doja dick riding be crazy asf
she signed the contract while she was still underage, she now regrets it
I kinda agree but also think that its unfair to expect celebrities to push their emotions aside to respond "professionally" to things. If celebrities aren't allowed to have outbursts (which are very human, may I add), then they're essentially in a constant state of monitoring what they do and say. This almost blurs the line between their professional selves and their casual selves, which is probably not ideal from a psychological perspective. Outbursts happen, our friends, families and ourselves are guilty of having outbursts of emotion because its healthy. The important thing is to apologise afterward and admit your wrongs, that way you can recognise what led up to it and make healthier choices for your mental state to avoid it in the future.
I want to give her a hug. I hope she’ll be okay in the next few years and do whatever she wants to do.
I love learning about music through you! You’re channel is so cool
your videos are so organized and easy to listen to tysm
I’d be so happy to see more content about artists relationship with the music industry!
Great one as usually Madisyn… I’ll go listen on patreon now 💖💖💖
I've never been on your channel before, but this was recommended. Just wanted to say you are absolutely GORGEOUS! Hope your song brings you must success
havent finished the vid yet but im sooooo happy to see you post again!!!!!
I shortly wanted to say: thanks for the well curated videos you inserted. Sometimes it is difficult to fully understand a topic without watching a trillion videos before - just for context. So a video (well edited) like yours is truly enjoyable.
Love your videos! I binge watched most of them yesterday :D Will also definitely be listening to your new song when it comes out
Thank you for giving the WHOLE perspective on Doja Cat’s story!
Girl you are one of the realestttt youtubers out there and I have NEVER said that. I am completely in awe of your content and the videos I’ve seen. You’re so smart and informed ! I enjoy your videos so much
Discovering your channel, and I'm questioning where it's been in my feed! Time to binge-watch!
yey a new vid!! and ooh, its about doja cat :0 this is gonna be interesting
28:40 there wasn't a big misunderstanding, her team legit wanted the entire airport cleared so she wouldn't have to see "the people", it only went downhill from there, with the hotel staff saying she was horrible and made them feel inferior, like asking them to not look or speak to her unless spoken to, her paraguay fanclub had a gift for her and waited an entire day for her, she came out of the hotel in a van and fans WERE THERE!
the song is now in my playlist. Love your voice!
love your videos and music madisyn!! i personally loved ur last video and can’t wait for part 2 :)
I've actually been a Doja fan since like 2015 in her "control" and "so high" era and just fell in love, it has definitely been a ride to witness her savagely climb to the top and stay there for years now. I love her progression and just hope the best for her and her mental health ❤
I've been following her since 2018-2017 and I was baffled by how close together our ages was which had me worried. She shares a similar mindset to other people of her age, so i thought "How can she handle this?" cause i surely don't know how could I.
Amazing- AMAZING video! There's so much i didn't know about her cause i'm really unfamiliar with the music industry system and this turned out to be a very informative, accurate and reflective video! I'm loving your work and dedication to what you do and I'm super motivated to support your art too
Incredibly well done video! I learned a lot! My first video I’ve seen of yours - keep up the great work
i cant wait for your song madisyn
Doja had a very niche lowkey audience for a few years before tiktok, she has a lot of music that has disappeared from SoundCloud now that she’s risen to such success. I remember in 2014-2015 keeping up with her and tbh I don’t think she thought she would get THIS much attention and the criticism/ pressure that comes with it.
I was one of those instagram editors back in 2016-2017 and Candy was pretty popular on there. It was used as audio a lot. It was a definitely a start because someone found it and decided to use it.
i hope she heals and comes back eventually
cause some fans are so dumb, fans are not entitled to their faves time and sanity 30:00
off topic but i’m excited for your song to come out because what you described is EXACTLY what i’m going through now 🥺