2023 Honda Civic Si Review // This or the Acura Integra??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ค. 2023
- This is a Motormouth couple car review of the 2023 Honda Civic Si compact sport sedan. Powerful and fun combined with an exclusive 6-speed manual transmission and a limited slip differential, this Si is the Civic to get. It comes with active sound control and plenty of driver assist technology including, adaptive cruise control, forward collision warning, blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, lane keep assist and lane departure warning,
The Honda Civic Si is a sporty looking sedan with black exterior accents, a gloss black spoiler, Si badging, black 18” wheels, an acoustic windshield, LED headlights, LED fog lights, dual chrome tailpipes and a temporary spare tire. In the US, buyers get a tire repair kit.
The sportiness carries through to the interior with racing inspired Si seats, red stitching and a honeycomb patterned dash with red accents.
There is just one trim available for the Honda Civic Si and it comes well equipped for $37,085 CAD/$28,800 USD. Features include, a 10.2” digital driver display, 9” touchscreen with navigation, wireless Apple Carplay and Android Auto, a wireless charger, 6-way manual driver’s seat, 4-way manual passenger seat, black and red Si heated sport seats, a heated steering wheel, 12-speaker Bose sound system, heated rear seats and a moonroof.
In the US, a 7” driver display is standard and a heated steering wheel as well as heated rear seats are not available on the Si in the US.
The Honda Civic Si has a 1.5L turbocharged 4-cylinder with a 6-speed manual transmission, 200 horsepower and 192 lb-ft of torque, FWD only. Premium fuel is recommended but you can use regular.
With only one trim available, the Honda Civic Si comes well equipped with a 10.2” digital driver display, 9” touchscreen with navigation, wireless Apple Carplay and Android Auto, wireless charger, manual front black and red sport seats, heated front seats, a heated steering wheel, Bose sound system, heated rear seats and a moonroof.
Competition to the Honda Civic Si include, the Subaru WRX, Hyundai Elantra N, Acura Integra and the Volkswagen GLI.
Fuel economy, the Si gets 8.7L/100 km, 27 MPG city and 6.4L/100 km, 37 MPG highway.
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Love my 23 Si! Sold my coyote mustang and moved to this due to having a new baby. Blast to drive, great on gas, fits the whole family and late night solo canyon runs are where this car shines. The handling is amazing. I never thought I’d own a FWD car, but the lsd makes up for it and it’s such a practical, yet amazing daily.
Sick bro!! 🎉
The Canadian spec Si vs US Si is a tale of two cities in terms of features, super annoying.
The Civic Si is a special version, I think it traditionally always came with a manual and I'd rather them stick with it, especially since Honda makes such good ones
Civic Si as it comes with 200hp is not much faster than the regular civic. But it feels like it has more soul, you get the manual transmission, sport seats, and with an intake, a tune, and lowered, it’s defintely a fun and peppy car
What peppy means?
@@JesusIsLord7773 It means it has good get up and go. Good torque and quick but not fast by any means. It spins the tires, it handles good, it’s a pretty good and easy to use manual transmission.
Toyota 86 is just 20 more horsepower for the brand new models. I think in this range, for the average driver, 200hp is enough. You really have to push these cars to get that, and thats just more fun. A little more horsepower would be welcomed of course, but I honestly dont care. Its a fun drive. Not to mention I am getting 37mph in my Civic SI and my friend gets 26 in his 86. The 20 horsepower gain, when we both hit 60 at about the same exact time (hes like 0.2 seconds faster), for a loss of 11mpg, is just not worth imo. Can also resell a Honda for barely under what you bought it for, which is something few cars can say. You are almost renting the car for free with how well it holds its value, which means more money for new models down the line.
Civic Si has always been a brilliant drive, when the base Civic already have a great architecture. I would probably pick between Civic Sport or an Integra, given I am a huge hatchback fans. If only Si is available as a hatchback, as its forebears did back in the 80s and 90s.
Honda obviously, deliberately, made the Si a sedan and the Integra a hatchback to push buyers wanting more utility to move up to the much-more-costly Integra. It's infuriating, but... that's business.
I love it when Zack sits in the rear and spreads his arms with a smile, that's a confirmation of the spacious rear space
Great review guys.. I've had this car for a year and a half and its a blast. I also owned the 2020. You have to rev this on to almost red line to really enjoy it. The last model, the turbo peeked sooner which made it pull harder, but run out of steam faster. The new model, keeps on pulling and once you pass 5000rpm it really pulls hard like the old Vtec Si's!!!
I noticed that on mine. I was caught off guard at first at the top of 2nd and 3rd. I was like whuuu??!!
Honda manuals are the best!! So glad to see the Si again. Yes Honda do the same colour seats in the back to make the car cohesive and with red seatbelts too 🙏
Yes it does look great, and black matte wheels work. Red is always the best colour for a car! (just like my first car - a 77 Civic)
From a long-time Honda owner in the states, I bought a used 2019 10th gen SI last year and love the car and its features. Thank you both for this car review!!! I was thinking about eventually trading for a new 11th gen SI, but it seems like right now the American version of the car is cheaper on content and features versus the Canadian version. Maybe because the car is built in Alliston Ontario??? Hopefully Honda will add more features to the mid-cycle refresh SI in a couple of years. Untill then I plan to keep my 10th gen SI.
Honda has a plant in Ohio as well. Not sure if the Civic is built there but the US Si get neutered. I bought a used 22 Si with 24,000 KMS and getting it ready to export to the US lol.
I've been waiting for this one too for sure! Looks a brooding fast saloon, not in your face with the sporty styling, but definitely you know it carries a hefty punch.
Very good video. Hondas are awesome.. I love standard transmissions. I agree red seats in the back..
Good point about the manual transmission. Honda clutches do feel a bit spongy when it hooks up and the hookup point is a bit high in the pedal travel.
I like the hookup point on the MX5 but I think the Honda shifter is better. It’s crisper, more of a well oiled rifle bolt. For comparison, they are much better than BMW shifters, which tend to be rubbery and isolated.
I had an 07 STI, I hated that shifter feel. It was the only time I’ve had missed shifts (2nd to 3rd but goes into 5, 5 into 4th but goes into 2nd (dangerous)). It was vague with long throws. I ripped the whole linkage out and replaced it with a Kartboy linkage, 60% shorter throws with hardened poly bushings.
The best OEM shifter I ever experienced was an 04 Acura RSX type S. It was just like a smooth rifle bolt with literally 1 inch throws!
There is something about Honda specially civic and more specially Si that only Honda owners feel. This Si has the same soul ❤ but it's getting unaffordable unlike before .TNX for video
Specially? What’s that mean?
@@richardmichael59 feeling of ownership and taking care of one's ride that's come from the way they are made tunable and customizable, makes them special.(Uniq)
Zack is so good and alway spot on with his finger hitting the subscribe bell.
I'm 45 and I like the black wheels. It adds just enough sporty look with it. I've seen them in white with black wheels. It looks sharp.
I test dove one of these today. It was one year old with 16,343 miles. Price was crazy since I can buy a new one with 0 miles for 197 dollars more.
Great review. I've had AAA for about 30 years. I've had flat tires before, but I've just gotten my car towed to a shop for a new tire. I haven't used a spare in more than that time. Even the repair kit is wasted on me. SoCal guy here.
I think they really nailed the exterior styling, I like the red accents on the interior a LOT and this would make a really fun daily!
Great review! I have a '22 Si (US Spec) and it's the best daily I have ever owned. I have an FK8 for autocross but the Si performs all the daily duties much better!
You don't mean it.
What do you love the most about it while dailying it?
I have to say I do like the Honda Civic.
Thanks for sharing
Just bought a 23 Integra a spec. Not disappointed. The hatchback is a huge advantage and the Integra is just such a cleaner look.
Thx for all manufacturers for sticks! Motormouth folks, Thinking of making u a summer tunes mix for ur ragtop cruises! Cheers from MTL.
Great review. Love this Honda Civic because of the manual transmission. Great color and looks. To bad AWD is not available. I am 67 years old and could drive this everyday and lots of room for me but my wife is thinking Toyota Rav4 Hybrid.
I have this in the white pearl. I threw a set of pilot sport 4s on this and the steering is great. All the beeping drives me insane but it has calmed down since turning off the parking assist. The only thing this car is missing is about 20-30 more hp. Haven't decided yet if I'm going to fix that with hondata or ktuner.
Welcome back.
The light clutch is great for daily driving AND it has an LSD! Save the manuals!
For my use case, in a mountainous area of Virginia, the WRX or Mazda 3 Turbo AWD is my picks.
While I really like the Integra, I can pay this car off eighteen months sooner! Plus the Civic Si comes standard with navigation and a spare tire (in Canada), unlike the Integra.
I currently am driving a 2020 Si and love it. For real world driving conditions, it's hard to beat. Relatively affordable, fun to drive and great fuel economy!
Great review guys! Zack talked me back into the Si and Andrea is the boss with a manual transmission!!
Hi Zach and Andrea, how would you compare the suspension firmness and clutch feeling with the WRX? I’m curious to get your opinion seeing as the new WRX seems to be a little more refined now.
Great car. Pricey… but still a great car. Thanks for the video.
Happy Mother’s Day, Andrea.
Yes yes yes, this review is spot on. Such a great car is ruined by horrendous rev hang and a wet noodle for a clutch that has absolutely no feeling. the civic SI used to always be the value Leader but now with Honda pricing the WRX looks a lot more appealing to me in terms of overall value and performance.
I agree I'd lean towards the WRX for the same reasons, especially nice given the capability through winter.
Test drive both back to back and you will pick the 23’ SI. I did. Quality is night and day. Nice sporty stiff suspension on the SI vs the bouncy WRX with tons of body roll. You sit way up and it has a goofy triangular window in the front like an old van. Plus the giant tablet screen, rear bumper, I could go on and on.
Triangular window in the front?
Say what?
Fun video. I just got a 2022 Hyundai Elantra N line ( not full N model) which is a direct competitor to the Civic SI. You missed that. The numbers are almost identical except the Elantra is more affordable and I think better looking. It also comes with a Dual Clutch which I am still getting use to. Keep the videos coming 😊
The dynamics of the Si are in another league. Time will tell if the Elantra will also have the reliability which is a hallmark of Honda.
hondas are highly overrated and grossly overpriced. not every buyer is going to waste their money like the cult sheeple just for a logo.🤑💰🤡🤣
@@iana36s Spot on!!!!
@@iana36sI am not sure of that with the Honda dynamic’s which the the new Si ride can be kinda rough at times. The Elantra has a good warranty and has been quite reliable as per many publications. With Honda and the dealer mark ups and crap that is going on now the Elantra Nline is a much better value since most people dont keep their cars longer than 4 years now. Honda is losing market share because of their new production and marketing policies.
Rev hang? Wow. My 2007 Si had rev hang. There was even an attempted class action lawsuit. This is a completely different engine. Can't believe sixteen years later an Si still has rev hang.
Haha. 8th gen owner here.
So true
It’s all about emissions.
I look forward for a type r review
I didn't want a manual, so I bought a 23 Integra with the A Spec trim and CVT. It a very enjoyable vehicle to drive and I'm averaging 38 MPG in mixed driving. However, in my opinion the suspension is very firm even in the softest comfort mode and the road noise inside the cabin is way too high for a car this expensive.
How does road noise compare to the Acura Integra and Honda Civic Hatchback Sport Touring?
Everyone says this is the best car to learn how to drive manual and I hear people saying they drove the car off the dealer lot without a clue how to drive stick. But when I went to Surrey Honda a few weeks ago to potentially test drive the civic si, they were reluctant to let me drive it because I have no experience with stick and advised that I get some lessons first. I didn't have time for that because the car would've been gone pretty fast by the time I come back to it and I badly needed a car. So I ended up going with a hatchback sport touring. I'm loving it with no regrets, but I definitely wish I had the manual civic si with more hp
I'm in the market for a new car and as a current Mazda3 owner I'm probably going with the Mazda3 Premium hatch with the manual. That being said, I've heard so many positive comments about the Si's handling that I just feel compelled to give it a test drive. It's just hard for me to get past the 1.5-liter turbo engine with its history of oil dilution, recommendation for premium fuel which is at least $1 USD more per gallon where I live, and uninspiring sound. If the Si had an old-school DOHC VTEC engine that revved to 8000+ rpm, that would be a huge selling point for me. Even the 2.4 in the 9th gen Si/ILX would be cool.
I had a 2018 honda civic si 6 speed I loved how it preformed but unfortunately it ate tires every 6 months replacements got way to expensive so we had to trade it off
A quick question. Between this and the GLI, which did you prefer, and against even a type R, day to day, city driving, commuting, highway, not tracking, not on country roads other than the odd time, did you ever find you wanted more HP. I just find that personally, 400hp is great, but unless you risk your or other lives, or you go to track days, you probably only really use 200hp. Lastly between this and the GLI, which do you prefer? Thanks and keep up the great videos.
Seems like the clear choice of wanting an affordable practical daily driver. Although they chose the gti over the SI so perhaps I’m wrong.
While they’re not super comparable, I was looking at the Civic and Elantra N and I couldn’t stand the feature disparity between the US and CAD models of the Si. I don’t regret the EN for one second, since I wanted to go to the track and it’s built with that in mind, but it’s a bummer they don’t even let you option the CAD features.
good compact car 👍
I need to move to Canada………such pleasant people 🙂
Wait till Trudeau is out
I will suggest Alberta, for low taxes, abundance of jobs and great economy 😊
With the saved $10k, it leaves room for lots of tweaking :) no leather seats? Not a biggie. Great review.
Clutch is super soft ! Any way to add resistance to it ?
Just so you know, potholes are not only an issue in the Eastern US it's basically an issue throughout the US. I live in Texas, and I've seen people damage tires, wheels and to their suspension hitting potholes here.
like too see Honda make a integra type s all the way down to base model
Possibly my every day ride,don't like the separation of options from Canada to the US😲😡,I haven't driven a manual in a long time but definitely like the redesign
I know it's not a sedan, I'd take a base GTI with the sunroof and alloy wheels package... mind you the Honda dash and controls are much better than the VW
Absolutely. I'd take a hatch over a sedan any day. Plus GTI has much more power for less money.
Good call. The GTI's powertrain, especially with the dsg, is in another league.
VWs are only good until the warranty expires
@@f181234 Total bs, and I've owned 5 GTI's and a Corrado VR6.
@@toddstevens8506 I’ve owned Golf’s, Tiguans and Jettas they all fall apart when they get older. Parts too are way too expensive compared to other brands
I love the new Si, but I have a 2020 Si Coupe and I feel like I got more for my money with it.
hey guys. will you buy this or Elantra n manual ?
The way you describe the shifter, will probably be a deal breaker for some.
Yeah 37,000 Canadian lol. With Honda dealers and their crazy mark ups prices are closer to 45,000 dollars. Which the Elantra N no mark up 40 grand and and adaptive suspension and a dual clutch is way better than the current line of Hondas.
same is true south of the border....and the warranty gap is even greater in Hyundai's favor.
I really like this car but the rev hang is an issue for me. Is there any way to fix or get rid of that?
I have the 23 si and there’s very very little rev hang. So little in fact, I don’t know how people’s complain.
I wish the Civic SI was offered in a hatchback as well.
i prefer the more flexible cargo space of hatchbacks
Does the Integra have the same rev hang?
They need to sell it with the hatch, too: trunks on such a small car are pointless- the Type-R seems to manage well with the hatch configuration...
No heated front seats in the US SI either
Cool car but not my taste because of touchscreen and no power seats. Great video Andrea! ☕️☕️
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it.
@@andreaspencer9813 You are an very welcome! ☕️☕️👍🏻👍🏻
Is it fwd or awd???
I don’t like rev hang! Which car does not have it?
This badly needs another 50 hp and 75 lb/ft of torque. It is really lagging behind cars like GTI, GLI and WRX which have base versions priced lower. Imagine dropping over $40k on this and getting outrun in 0-60 by regular Corollas and Mazda 3s.
Yeah but in real world driving, the Si will SMOKE the cars you mentioned. Si suspension is incredible. Apples and oranges.
Regarding "rev-hang," the thing to consider is that if you ignore it, and simply ram the shifter into the next higher gear (like most auto reviewers do) without waiting for the revs to drop, you'll end up destroying the transmission's gear synchros. And that is expensive to fix. Regarding Honda not offering a DCT for either this Si or the Integra, it would have to be a lot more expensive than their CVT, and that's likely the primary factor in their decision. Everyone: "If only Soichiro Honda were still running the company..."
I’ll buy one when they include all the missing features here in the US.
Yeah!
Honda should take care a little more of those little details. The 2013 Honda Civic EX manual I owned used to have better details, like fabric in the back doors rather than just plain plastic. That looks so cheap
The headroom with the sunroof headliner is a no go depending on how tall you are.
I’m 6’4”. Works perfectly fine & comfortable for me in my Si
@@IsaiahEBelk with the sunroof? I couldn’t straighten my head.
Im not sure a manual-only model makes sense anymore in 2023 and it's not like they didn't already develop the CVT for this engine.
It does. WRX in automatic is not a WRX
Why did they de-content the US version?
If it is not broke don't change it! Just add features at a lower cost than competition! Ford and Chevy could learn a lot Honda has great reliability.
With the Porsche I would take the Pdk…way more fun.
Upgrading from an ILX, I will not get this or the Integra… Slower, no more DCT and way more expensive!! The 2.4 was a way better engine. Atleast the interior is better I guess lol
I am pretty sure a Hondata or Ktuner tune will get rid of rev hang. Can someone confirm? Tough call between this, the GLI, and GTI S. Historically the Si is more long term reliable. I’ve heard they have had some issues with these engines though. VW definitely has their share of engine issues as well. Si has the far better interior design though.
For that price Id rather go for the Audi S3 quattro. 200hp on a 1.5l turbo is garbage for 30k.
I wonder about the ride. I enjoyed the two Si's that I had but I think this latest iteration might be too firm for me. I'm old and squishy now. I guess an extended test drive is the only way to tell. As for this black wheel scourge, please God, make it stop.
Looooooong compact sedan!
The price in Toronto is $43k plus all taxes and fees
I hope Honda at least made the US version cheaper with all the cutbacks
The Civic Si is a drivers car. My biggest complaint is the road noise from the Goodyear tires. I made the mistake of getting the Goodyear Sport on my Mercedes and they are sooo noisy. Rev hang is much improved and has become less noticeable with miles.
This car is not for everyone as it has a lot of feedback and the seats. hold you in tight bit for someone looking for a car that can put a smile on your face here it is.
The brake hold feature basically eliminates the roll back concern when stopped on a hill
At least you can easily replace the tires, most stock tires are pretty bad.
I'm not sure changing tires will cure the road noise issue as Honda's are known for that.
@@iana36s I still miss a proper handbrake. One of my proudest moments was parallel parking my Si on a steep hill in Seattle without stalling.
I have everything from Audi to Jeep to mustang to WRX. This car has everything albeit a manual E brake. Call me old school but I hate the electronic version. sometimes you just want something to yank on. Your wife is a smoke 💨 show 🔥 btw. Good review
Maybe I'm too old, but I can't imagine driving a car with that much rev hang. I've had sticks all my life, from an 88 GTI to an early-90s 3-series, to a Protege, on and on. When I put in the clutch I want to shift now, not 3 seconds later. Operating the Si's transmission must be like talking to an idiot - say something, then wait an eternity for a tepid reply. I'll go away now.
Please bring back the S2000
Si or gti autobahn and why ?
Curious to know your choice and why
We just ordered a GTI
@@Motormouth...I hope ya’ll went with the 40AE!
Which is more fun to drive, the Civic Si or the Subaru WRX?
Amazing car but it’s so expensiveeeee finance and lease rates are 8%
200 HP , bring it on!
I think it’s amazing car based on its price .. I don’t know why the accura is 40k while have the same motor like si
Knowing the content they have in the Canadian version I could never buy this in the U.S. They completely nerfed it and then nerfed it again for the Integra.
Rev hang is a major bummer, deal breaker for me.
Do you think porblem of engine oil consumption seen in previous generations is fiexd now? other point, I think CVT transmission is better than Manual !
Integra, just because of the hatch.
Interior and sound system are quite a bit better as well. I’ve driven both and I went with the Integra
Just remember, Si is not type R ;). Saw too many red badges Si
Nice little rocket but ya pretty much lost me with the manual seats. 😲. 6 way drivers seat? That’s pretty sad. Honda dropped it on this one right there.
this needs more power. at least 230-240hp closer to a gti. the power difference between the SI and Type R is way to much. 20hp more than a base model isnt enough. Good looking car though.
Heated rear seats?!!
has anyone bought this coming from an 8th gen. This would be a great company car I think.
I like andrea red mini skirt
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💜💙
I think the Acura looks better, but not $10k better. But I’d still choose the Acura over this, simply because it’s a hatchback.
Civics also have hatchbacks.. however not the Si version