@@Welshman336Naa, I disagree. I think they died together some type of way. They don't say it, but it just seems implied to me. But, he obviously didn't live through it, so who knows. -__- I really wanna see Kakashi's dad, and heavily disagree w/ his hokage Kakashi argument. It's like nick(and most fans) totally skip over all the novels of between Shippuden and Boruto. Which in each of Kakashi's he does something RIDICULOUS. 😅
Nope this assessment of the second Hokage Tobirama is not accurate. Remember when the gold and silver brothers were brought back using reanimation they were still searching for the second Hokage which means more than likely the second Hokage killed the both of them and their elite squad that day without them even realizing it at the cost of his own life. Had they just killed him they would have remembered at that point and not been brought back looking for the second Hokage.
That’s literally not what happened. When they got reanimated they were not searching for tobirama at all. Can you tell me the panel or the episode where they were searching for tobirama when they were reanimated? Because that literally never happened.
Tobirama didn't have enough chakra to teleport himself and his team away to safety. Which means he was heavily weakened when he fought the Kinkaku Unit.
how exactly does it mean that …. what proves that…. you can make assumptioms based on his age but based on his feats he doesnt even have more chakra than minato
@@derekseago9647 My proof for Tobirama being heavily weakened is the fact that he didn't use the flying raijin a couple times to save his team. That was the optimal thing to do, and yet he didn't. That necessitates that he was unable to, and that would be due to chakra issues. Also, you will never in your life prove Minato has equal to or more chakra than Tobirama.
@@ActuallyAlask that would be a valid exscuse if it wasnt for the fact that we have never seen alive tobirama use ftg. the only realistic answer to why that is is because he doesnt have enough chakra
@@DarkLobster69ehh i didnt really get into the video yet buuuut while he probably wouldnt win imo without chakra problems he stands a better chance than tobirama 🤷🏿♂️ but he has severe chakra problems as we all know😂
I love how nick picks and chooses which version of the character he wants yo use along with feats. I mean if we use tobiramas feats during the war arc almost none of these people win.
Don't we know that the 2 brothers died in the fight BEFORE Tobirama died? Since when the brothers are resurrected by edo tensai they believe that Tobirama is the one who brought them back. So Tobirama probably killed the 2 brothers but ended up too weak to deal with the rest of the shinobies
@@SyedAli-gl7jqthat’s just not true. Rewatch the fight- they had all of them but one in Edo Tensei and knew how to work them all. Also Darui literally ran away and there’s panels of bodies just falling when Kinkaku rampages. I just rewatched the fight and Darui tries to hide and get caught. What are you on about
I love the fact that the funny question jar doesn’t even need an answer it simply requires an ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of the question which if that is truly how it works means simply looking at the person or registering that someone asked you a question would be all it takes to get sealed.
Nick you forgot to mention Tobirama probably killed Kinkako and Ginkako in this fight. Kinkako and Ginkako think it was Tobirama who brought them back as Edo Tensei in the Fourth Ninja war. Why would they think that if they killed him and took his body back to the village like Nick says. Kinkako and Ginkako died before Tobirama and if he died after fighting them it only makes sense that Tobirama killed them despite being exhausted and out of chakra when he was talking to his team before the fight. Tobirama probably died of his injuries or ran out chakra completely.
His death and backstory is just a massive plot hole. Bro had mastered the flying rajin. U expect me to believe he didn’t have any seals anywhere in the world that he could have teleported him and his entire team away with? Someone who masters flying rajin is the one character who can’t be ambushed yet somehow he was.
My theory is Minato is better at FTG because of the way he uses the technique. If you both end up somewhere in an instant how can one be faster than the other? Maybe body flicker being faster gives you better reaction speed so you can use the jutsu quicker. But you’re not teleporting quicker you’re just using the move before the other person can because of your reaction speed. Tobiroma knows so many Jutsus and created so many OP jutsus. I think we can assume that he just doesn’t use FTG like that. He takes his Marked Kunai with him or marks em on the spot.
I agree about his death being a plot hole and BS though. With the very limited info we have on him he’s still in my top 3 naruto characters. And I think he’s way stronger than people give him credit for.
@@toddty11 but y would someone with the IQ of tobirama not always have an escape plan. It’s common sense if u have FTG u can get out of any situation at any time just by simply having a mark in your village. Him not having that and not using that to save his entire squad is horrible writing and it is disrespectful to a character with the title of Kage imo.
@@RedEyeItachi sometimes people have more pride than IQ. And in the world of Shinobi I’m sure pride meant something. This was the second time these people came for him, maybe he just wanted to finish it there and now. He was 60 plus years old with no family he was probably ready to see his brothers again and pass on the will of fire to the next generation.
@@donovan4222 True. I love how Zabuza and a few people swing that sword like "omg this is Sooo heavy", and then Kakashi just casually swings that thing like it's a pocket knife 🔪
It's weird to think any name could be more frequently used than commonly used words. I imagine most people will have "yes" or "no" in their native language 😅😅
I don’t see how ginkaku could have been part of the kinkaku unit… when he was reanimated, he asked if Tobirama was casting the jutsu… if he knew Tobirama was dead, that wouldn’t be the first thing he asks as soon as he realises he is in the world of the living… if he knew Tobirama was dead, he might ask who is using Tobirama’s jutsu ALSO Tobirama never mentioned that the kinkaku unit had kinkaku in it… just that there were 20. He also doesn’t mention that they were rogue ninja. No one does. So the question is… who could defeat 20 highly skilled job in whilst fatigued from a mission? To put them in the same condition Tobirama was in
You're right about the conditions of the fight and the assumption from Kinkako tha Tobirama brought him as an Edo! Nick is the weakest scaler among Naruto content creators but a good story teller 😅
@@MMAli-rq8kdhe does better than Swag and Seth who unironically put Tobirama as weaker than Kisame and Darui level ignoring that he was fatigued for years
@@thenintenbro7154 nah. Tobirama would have said Ginkaku is leading the unit. All he said was high ranking shinobi. It’s logical to conclude he would have called out the person whose name is in the unit if they were there. And Ginkaku being one of the two who surprise jumped him and the raikage. They have a history. With his sending capabilities, he would have mentioned it
Nick you forgot to take into account summoning toads for jiriya and minato. Gamabunta is AT LEAST low tailed beast level. He can easily be summoned and dropped on the squad and wipe them out. Plus the sage art: big ball rasengan is said to be able to carve out a mountain. It’s def strong enough to damage a jinchuriki.
Really? You seriously think a solution to beating some agile fast moving ninja is to drop a frog on them?💀 if ninjas weren’t able to evade stuff like that then wars would’ve just been fought like that lmao
@@joshuaperry2426 buddy you think jonin level ninja wouldn’t have a hard time with literally a tailed beast level threat? Have you seen gamabuntas water bombs? His big ass sword? Or the fact that jiriya can summon more than one frog?
@@stephenking2895 nick himself debunked that in the video. They aren’t s rank. And we literally saw gamabunta fight the 1 tails. He may not be on the same level but he’s at least on the same level in size. And he’s just under them in strength. Minimum he’s causing a distraction like I said and prolly taking a few of them out.
@@TheHonoredOne444 they were strong enough to kill tobirama they are waxing jiraya and his toads. Gamabunta fought a nerfed shukaku. He didn’t have access to his full power. He couldn’t even do a biju dama.
There's no way Kinkaku and Ginkaku survived that second fight with Tobirama. They thought that Tobirama was the one who brought them back during the war so all three of them had to have died thay day.
@mothmanjb6581 If thay was the case then they would have commented about being caught in the second hokage's jutsu, instead they say "Pitiful! Snared by the second hokage, when we beat him before, eh, Kinkaku?" They beat him once during the meeting between Tobirama and the Raikage, so they must have died during their second fight with Tobirama.
Didn't Tobirama's tags destroy Sage Hashirama's Torii gates that could hold down Ten tails? If so, I'd say Tobirama's tags could damage Kin and Jin in cloak form. Not sure if Tobirama could use this technique whilst not having an Edo
@@MMAli-rq8kd either out of chakra, or I like to think that maybe the Kinkaku unit may have had someone on the squad that was able to nullify space time ninjutsu in a certain area which is why Tobirama didn't even attempt to FTG everyone. Would be nice to see how this battle actually played out and how many of the squad he managed to take down before being killed. Not sure about his prime tbh
29:20 That's not true Nick! We know where Hiruzen learned the Reaper Death Seal from; Minato. Hiruzen says it's just like Minato says, you see the Shinagami immediately after using the hand signs but the other person can't although they can no longer use jutsu once the Shinagami grabs their soul but they can't see why.
31:14 idk why he wouldnt be able to use them more than once, I feel like if you consider his multiple uses of Amaterasu after his initial use of Tsukuyomi when be was fighting Sasuke (and before using the Susano'o) he should have enough chakra to take out the two biggest threats pretty quickly... Then its just 20 guys who have probably never seen a Susano if Itachi chooses to use it, and if not, im pretty sure he could think his way through killing 20 guys. At the very least, the first priority is taken out in less than a second.
Exactly my thoughts he could Amaterasu the brothers instantly, they have no way of dodging, he hit nagato with it pretty easily, if itachi wants to hit an Amaterasu he’s gonna hit it , and ye I don’t think he’d even need Susano for the fodder but if he did use it he would be invincible as they would not be able to damage his Susano
Nick you forgot an important name; *Tobirama!* Just hear me out 😅 When Tobirama decides to play decoy to let his team escape, you can see he is full of bruses and looks exhausted already. The whole team looks roughed up. I think he says or implies he has no chakra left when he enters the fight. Point two; I think Tobirama killed Kinkako and Ginkako along with their force despite being exhausted and out of chakra. The reason is that they think it was Tobirama who brought them back as Edo Tensei in the Fourth Ninja war. Why would they think that if they killed him and took his body back to the village like Nick says. Kinkako and Ginkako died before Tobirama and if he died after fighting them it only makes sense that Tobirama killed them.
I slways imagined that the other 20 jonin weren’t just completely fodder ninjas. My theory is that they were basically Kakashi/Might Guy/Asuma(when they were Jonins)level ninjas. They were probably legendary ninjas in their own right it’s just the story doesn’t need us to know their names. That and having 2 descendants of Hagoromo on your side is gonna be hard for any high level ninja. Especially for someone that isn’t Hashirama, Naruto, Sasuke, an Otsutsuski, etc, etc blah blah blah you get it. Imagine one of those Jonin opening up the 8 gates during the battle?!?! There were 20 of them, there was a real possibility that one of them was a Taijutsu specialist. Out of the 20 top Jonin in Konoha there has been a taijutsu specialist the last 2 generations. I’m not sure if Tobirama could handle the 8 gates on top of 19 other jonin and Ginkaku and Kinkaku. Hell, i’m not so sure adult Sasuke could handle that lol. Especially now that he doesn’t have his rinnegan. He would have to hope his susano could stop an 8 gates barrage and i wouldn’t bet money that it would be able to lol. I’m sure it could by now but i wouldn’t risk money on it lol.
@@willjones548 It's not like saying that because Im referring to his mind, it was wise and tenacious. He could've easily took over by stealing sasukes eyes and figuring out a way to snake obito into doing his bidding. Sasuke even mentioned that with the power that he had obtained during his last fight agaisnt naruto, that becoming immortal wasn't out of the realm of possibility.
@@shaicloud1240 your not even a real fan of naruto, otherwise you would know that edo itachi would be able to use the ems with no problem. Also he had kotoamatsukami so he could've just tricked obito's mentally weak ass into reviving him.
Itachi is infamous for killing his entire clan by himself (he even started the night with a non combat tsukuyomi) but Nick says he isnt good at one vs many for some reason. Im not saying Itachi sweeps, im just saying i think 20% might be Nick might be framing things to farm engagement.
@Aymen19827So? He'd rather get killed?! Take out the two brothers and Genjutsu anyone who doesn't run! 😂😂 Itachi: "Done! Now someone show me how to get home cause I can't see anymore" 😅
@Aymen19827he was talking about Ginkaku and Kinkaku saying that surely Itachi would rather lose his sight than die fighting them by not spamming MS abilities Edit: I think lmao
He can't _spam_ Amaterasu, but he can fire it off more than once a day. It's Tsukiyomi that he can't use more than once a day, because it damn near kills him each time.
I think you are downplaying tobirama perhaps I personally believe he killed both brothers, since they are in the sams form in edo tensai. They could easily get their folk lore status before that fight. Look at Madara, he never killed Hashirama but was still almost defied.
When the brothers are brought back as edos they ask "if it's damned Tobirama that brought them back" which makes no sense if they had killed him. It seems like Tibirama killed Kikako and Ginkako and died of his wounds or chakra depletion.
I like that idea but What are we going to do about the villages of the akatsuki members who don’t come from a massive village Like hidan or kakuzu And people who are from the same village Like obito itachi And nagato was already the dictator of the rain village
i like to think that Tobirama's most said word was something along the lines of "hidden", "leaf" and "uchiha" and if it's "uchiha" then my guess is that his second most said word is some kind of Naruto equivalent of a cancellable offense
gaara would have a good crack with all his sealing jutsu, and kid gaara already showed his ability to more than truly deal with jonin. one giant sand burial kills more jonin then its just a matter of sealing kinkaku. he can also fly around on his sand so he has enough mobility and cheese strategy and just fly around picking them off.
Gaara would definitely wipe the floor in this fight. Especially while still a jinchuriki. Only reason he was captured is because he was protecting the village. If it's just him he's burying everyone
He knows itachi wins no diff he just instantly Amaterasu the brothers and Susano the 20 fodder if he even needs Susano, he said this cause he knows the itachi fans will fill the comments creating a lot of engagement so the vid can blow up
I was under the impression the yata mirror acted almost like gaaras sand in that it moves autonomously and can change size depending on what/where the attack is. I’m totally open to that I might be wrong but would like confirmation
I equate Boruto series to Star Wars Sequel (movies 7,8,9). It subjectively made the overall story worse, most OG fans don’t like it, and they kill off/throttle the OG protagonist power. I think Naruto Prequels would’ve been awesome, follow a Minato or Hiruzen storyline
@@mung01re no she doesn't I like Sakura always have but no she's not immortal and she shore as hell ain't stronger than a tail beast strength alone don't mean shit
Things like this make me wish Naruto was longer. We know tobirama was fatigued, but how strong were the 20S class Shinobi. How many survived?! Did he blow them all up!!!!
@@azrael_pendragon Then Itachi can just seal them with Totsuka blade, big targets so it wont miss, we saw in war arc their 9 tails cloak being sealed quite easily, so Totsuka blade wont have any problem sealing them.
@@Jallu555 The Gold and silver brothers also possessed all the sage of six paths tools, the gourd and the Kohaku no Johei would be more than enough to seal itachi. If kin or gin calls Itachi's name and he answers, he'd be sealed immediately, and there'd be no hope of ever escaping.
The final statement is completely wrong Nick! Tobirama fought the Kinkaku force exhausted and out of chakra and not in his prime so using this fight to scale him is not smart. Moreover, we don't know the full outcome of the fight, but tgere are strong indications that Kinkako and Ginkako were killed by Tobirama before he died.
@@ADM.II. thanks! But are they referring to the first time when they fought him or the second time? The golden silver brothers jumped him and killed the Raikage yeah?
Another great and fun topic/video. I agree with most of the opinions, but quite obviously itachi would body kinkaku/ginkaku w/ jonin force. Totsuka blade on the brothers at any pt, yata and susannoo can easily block any tailed beast att from 2 non-jinchurikis. Itchai has MASTERED MS, so his susanoo is potent enough. Furthermore he can tsykoyomi the borthers in less than 1 second, leaving only one. Itachi has never had or been stated to have low charkra. The lowest pt for itachi was dog walking hebi sauske... Who had curse mark and orochimaru sealed inside, im gonna say his chakra pools are just fine guy
What if Jiraiya is in Sage Mode with the help of Gamabunta, Gamaken, and Gamahiro. I feel like that’s a lot of firepower to battle 20 jonin and 2 V2 cloaks.
Post script.. Because in the end. Everything DANZO has done was kinda for the leaf. In the sense it was for him to be able to never fall to the Horizon Tobirama Sitch again. Also, I still think Tobi called hims lf mockingly Tobi because it infers it is his senseis pops.
I would consider Might Guy dying would still be a win in that fight because most likely, if he is fighting that entire force, they're attempting to do something besides kill him. He is there to stop them. He does, but so do they. He achieved his goal and they didn't.
Tobi needs a rematch. You forgot to take into consideration that he wasn’t too weak to even use Flying rajin on his group. He was undoubtedly running on less than half of his strength
We just assume he has markers all over the place or what? Tobiroma admits that Minato is better at FTG than he is. And I think that’s because of how Minato uses it compared to Tobiroma. Getting somewhere in an instant is getting there in an instant. Minato can probably use the move before Tobiroma can because of his reaction speed. But that’s the shinobi himself and not the jutsu. Plus Tobiroma creates a new version middle of a fight and connects minatos “superior” FTG to his own. Creating a new FTG technique on the spot, so he’s clearly not far behind Minato in “perfecting” the move.
But I say all that just to say are sure he leaves marked kunai just laying around? Is it in character for him to do it just because we’ve seen minato do something similar to it?
@@toddty11 I only bring up the Flying Rajin as a measurement of his chakra at the time. I doubt he’d have very many tags on him to use in battle. But I do think it wouldn’t be as simple a fight as the video made it seem.
@@betterlatethannever4529 naw I get it. Because we don’t know exactly what they had already done on that mission or why they were being perused. The fact that their cover was blown in enemy territory and they had a death squad on them probably means they had a battle of some sorts before that. Either with someone else or with the people giving chase. But I’m saying idk how we can be sure he just has something with a mark back home (though someone told me he’s stated to have one on the hokages head)
We need a series for Naruto and/or one piece for just straight fights that were only spoke of or only shown glimpse of fights. They could even do small stories to understand the old characters or get different sides of known characters
Nick not going into detailed explanation about the effect of the Totsuka Blade is like watching YuGiOh Abridged and knowing what Pot of Greed actually does. It feels weird 😂
Because if he did the Itachi fanboys would likely just glaze him even harder… tobirama vs Itachi would be a whole video so that Nick could debunk each stupid claim for Itachi
Minato has a whole arsenal of sealing jutsu which is advantageous and victory path as you mentioned yourself in beginning. And hiruzen with enma's ademantite staff form was able to throw kurama out of the village, he can definitely swing it fast and hard enough to d**k slap both brothers.
You can't put tobirama vs non-uchiha, if you do then you'll see a man with no motivation whatsoever. Tobirama gets a confirmed 2 tier boost when fighting them damn Red-eyes
*Tobirama wasn't at full power when he fought the 20 Shinobi since him and his squad was scuffed up plus the fact he didn't even use Flying Rajin to escape implying that and he didn't have enough Chakra to do much which is why one of the team members had to be a decoy that and the fact that given Tobirama's feats of Tagging Juubito, keeping up with Rinnegan Sage Madara and the fact that his Squad is fairly strong it shouldn't make sense for them to lose to Randoms at full power so they were sneek attacked when they were weakened, Also given the time period and Tobirama's standard's of strength the Kinkaku Force not being Akatsuki or S class level doesn't make sense since they're tracking a Kage, the HOKAGE which is the strongest Kage so they should be atleast Deidara Level or early Shippuden CM2 Sasuke* *Kingaku and Ginkaku should scale to V2 Raikage in Base since The Raikage thought he could barely beat them in Base and only gave up when they're transformations were in the conversation so in Base they should Scale to KCM1 Naruto in Base and with the V2 6 Tails buff they should be in the initial KCM2 Naruto tier in terms of strength so they pretty much beat most Akatsuki members Except the White Mask Obito and while Itachi is strong and fast he's not reacting to Initial KCM2 Naruto tier characters, They beat The Sanin even in the War Arc, They beat Minato since he doesn't have enough AP to get past the Cloak and his sealing wouldn't be strong enough to do anything other than the Reaper Death Seal which at best would just be a draw or Kinkaku or Ginkaku just die, Kisame would be good but the thing about him and Samehada is that they actively have to absorb the Chakra but given the stats difference they wouldn't be able to absorb the Chakra in time. The Kinkaku and Ginkaku Force pretty much beat Below Intail KCM2 characters but past that they get BODIED BADLY by Character's stronger than Initial KCM2 Naruto*
You're highly overrating the Kinkaku force and underrating a lot of the other characters. Like for example, there's nothing that suggests that the Kinkaku force is anywhere close to the Akatsuki's level. If they were, Kabuto would've brought them back during the war or at least mentioned them like he did for Jiraiya and Shisui. Also, they don't scale to KCM1 Naruto in base. Kinkaku and Ginkaku speed scales to Darui who at best scales to V1 Raikage who's slower than KCM1 Naruto and while transformed, Kinkaku and Ginkaku didn't seem to improve speed wise, they only gained more power. And even if we assumed they did, they'll probably just get to KCM1 Naruto level. So no, they don't beat the Sannin especially considering the variety of jutsus they can use. They also lose to Minato, he has AP strong enough to counter a tailed beast bomb from Kurama and if that doesn't work for some reason, he has sealing jutsu strong enough to seal Kurama ( at least half ) so sealing Kin and Gin would be no problem. There's more to be said but you get the point
@@donsamsey No the scaling was pretty clear. For 1 from what we know the Kinkaku Force either died against Tobirama while Tobirama died due to Chakra fatigue or his injuries or they just disappeared after the encounter with Tobirama so Kabuto likely didn't know much about them or where to find them, Second: Jiraiya and Shisui death's were relatively recent not to mention given Jiraiya's and Shisui's status there was more info about them but not for the Kinkaku Force or think of it like why we didn't see Kagimi Uchiha or Sakumo Hatake during the war arc. They do since V1 Raikage is relative with Darui and this same Darui was being bullied by Base Kinkaku and Ginkaku not to mention KCM1 Naruto was being bullied by V1 Raikage before he got his Mental Amp and considering how worried the Raikage was when they appeared it wouldn't make sense for them not to scale to KCM1 Naruto since they are able to scare Raikage A and going by how he acts and talks he knows that even if he uses his Full Power it still would be close meaning they scale to KCM1 Naruto since they scale to V2 Raikage A. That legit doesn't make sense since it's a Biju Cloak which Amps everything so let's not do the whole mental gymnastics thing and even if you wanna say Amped KCM1 Naruto or the Naruto that blitzed the Raikage is above them in Base that's fine since given the V2 6 Tails state they should be within the Initial KCM2 Naruto tier for example V1 Amps the user by 10 times or more but let's low-ball, V2 is ten times stronger than V1 going by Kisame's statement and difference between the Tails is 4 times meaning V1 1 Tail is a 100 times Amp or the Full V2 6 Tails Amp is 409,600 times Base. Now let's Use some power levels to get an idea of the gap Base Ginkaku is a 15 Base Kinkaku is a 18 Full power Raikage is a 20 The Naruto that blitzed him is a 1500 Initial KCM2 is a 5 million Using the scale and number Ginkaku and Kinkaku are Ginkaku: 6,144,000 Kinkaku:7,372,800 So they scale to Initial KCM2 Naruto or slightly above him
20 Akakaski level ninja. Isn’t unreasonable during their time. You got to think the 1st 2nd and 3rd in they prime would had destroyed negato. The leaf was at a weak time. @ 13:50 I found the statement iffy
Exactly during that time the leaf had the uchiha and huyga was very stabled, you have sakumo, the sanin, minato Shisui grandpa hiruzen danzo, and the akatsuki had people with hax abilities not just strong, Asuma was elite and he would’ve killed hidan had he known his power
Yes it is unreasonable. There are not even 20 Akatsuki level ninja (basically Kage level) in the entirety of Konoha in the main timeline which is the largest village. It makes zero sense that a smaller village could have 20 Akatsuki level ninja in some side force let alone their entire village!
Sakura, Sasuke etc. all clear purely because scaling during the war arc and Boruto is terrible. Absolutely no way Obito (orange mask) wins though, he lost an arm against Torune and Fuu who are probably at the skill level you were talking about. No way he clears all 20. White mask has a shot but I wouldn't say it's going to be as easy as you make it out to be. Pain has no chance, they were getting kinda worked in Konoha before Naruto even got there and the only reason they did so well is because Leaf forces were dispersed. If they were grouped like the Kinkaku force Pain would definitely have lost. Konohamaru killed one of them for crying out loud and we're talking shinobi who are far superior to him. Nagato in his body wins though. Hashirama absolutely wins, he's insane. Guy wins but dies, if he doesn't open the 8th gate then his power level just isn't high enough to take on 20 Asuma level shinobi + 2 S ranks on the level of Mid tier Akatsuki members. Orochimaru absolutely loses, have you not seen the prep it takes to do edo tensei, no way he can cast it without any preparations with so many strong ninja on him. Kisame I won't even get into cause I feel like saying he can win is kinda a joke. Jirayia loses, no question about it. Minato probably wins cause he can pick the 20 shinobi off one by one and seal the brothers. Hiruzen loses. Itachi definitely loses
I’m curious if Danzo could have pulled it of. He’s got an arm full of stolen sharingan and Hashirama’s healing to a degree he might stand somewhat of a chance against one of them. Two I’m not sure depends on how Izinagi interacts with their tools.
In my personal fan canon, I speculate that after the Gold and Silver Brothers Killed Tobirama, Kakuzu may have collaborated with them or seized the opportunity to confront them. Exploiting the weakened state of Kinkaku, Ginkaku, and the remaining forces after the battle, Kakuzu could have ambushed them and claimed the bounty on their heads.
Of people you didnt mention i think MU would have had the best chance. Ability to basically disappear plus AP of particle release and ability to float due to ultra weight boulder. Ginkaku and kinkaku force would have had no answer to an almost impossible to find flying death ray that is Mu.
Guy loses because he would say WITH THE POWER OF YOUTH and be sealed
Ahh fair
Fair point
Bruh 😂😂
Not even close. We all know his most spoken word is Kakashi
@@devd3studios734 fair but lee would lose because of yes guy sensei
Kinkaku force: "We have you outnumbered"
Tobirama: "I like those odds"
*Blows up everyone*
Rly this was a plot holeq
20 Jonin are just meat for edo tensei
@@razor3535edo tensei takes awhile to set up
Tobirama: *dies*
@@eugeneivory970but like he was the fastest and had shadow clones
I wish Tobirama vs. Kinkaku Force was animated.
There would be no way it would be good
@@troytheboy1985have you played Ninja Storm Connections? I think it could be very entertaining.
It'd just be Tobirama getting his ass whooped.
@@Welshman336Yeah I don’t want to have to watch him die. I’ve watched enough of my top ten people die.
@@Welshman336Naa, I disagree. I think they died together some type of way. They don't say it, but it just seems implied to me. But, he obviously didn't live through it, so who knows. -__- I really wanna see Kakashi's dad, and heavily disagree w/ his hokage Kakashi argument. It's like nick(and most fans) totally skip over all the novels of between Shippuden and Boruto. Which in each of Kakashi's he does something RIDICULOUS. 😅
Nope this assessment of the second Hokage Tobirama is not accurate. Remember when the gold and silver brothers were brought back using reanimation they were still searching for the second Hokage which means more than likely the second Hokage killed the both of them and their elite squad that day without them even realizing it at the cost of his own life. Had they just killed him they would have remembered at that point and not been brought back looking for the second Hokage.
probably used infinite darkness and reaper death seal tbh
That’s literally not what happened. When they got reanimated they were not searching for tobirama at all. Can you tell me the panel or the episode where they were searching for tobirama when they were reanimated? Because that literally never happened.
@@Rich30000this gotta be a Mandela affect cuz I swear they were killed by the 2nd hokage but can’t find anything saying that’s actually the case
@@Rich30000weren't they looking for kuramas chakra at one point, that's the only time I remember them specifically looking for anything
Kishimoto just making mini series or movies about different unanimated fights/stories would just print money and I'm about it
Fact!
Tobirama didn't have enough chakra to teleport himself and his team away to safety. Which means he was heavily weakened when he fought the Kinkaku Unit.
how exactly does it mean that …. what proves that…. you can make assumptioms based on his age but based on his feats he doesnt even have more chakra than minato
@@derekseago9647
My proof for Tobirama being heavily weakened is the fact that he didn't use the flying raijin a couple times to save his team. That was the optimal thing to do, and yet he didn't. That necessitates that he was unable to, and that would be due to chakra issues.
Also, you will never in your life prove Minato has equal to or more chakra than Tobirama.
@@ActuallyAlask that would be a valid exscuse if it wasnt for the fact that we have never seen alive tobirama use ftg. the only realistic answer to why that is is because he doesnt have enough chakra
@@derekseago9647bro what are you talking about? He created the jutsu and used it to fatally injure Madaras brother. Why are you hating so bad? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@derekseago9647just say you’re biased and hate Tobiroma little bud. It’d be a lot easier for you.
I'm wondering how diedara would react to tobiramas tandem paper bomb jutsu. He's already an uchiha hater, he might as well join tobirama
He'd love the art and konan uses his jutsu as well that's another one ppl forget
True Art!
Hmmn !
😂😂😂
NICK THIS BETTER NOT BE ITATCHI SLANDER OR WE WILL FIGHT
😂😂😂 i second this
It’s not slander if it’s true; and he gets bodied.
This better not be itachi glazing or we will fight
@@DarkLobster69ehh i didnt really get into the video yet buuuut while he probably wouldnt win imo without chakra problems he stands a better chance than tobirama 🤷🏿♂️ but he has severe chakra problems as we all know😂
WE. DONT. GLORIFY. GENOCIDE.
Hiruzen doesn't have the AP to punch though the V2 cloak? Have you totally forgotten about the Roof Tile Shuriken Jutsu?!?!
Wasn Hiruzen pushing the Nine-Tails out of the village like American Football? 😅😅
That is easily the best jutsu ever. It’s so powerful, it should’ve been forbidden.
That's what I'm saying 😂
I love how nick picks and chooses which version of the character he wants yo use along with feats. I mean if we use tobiramas feats during the war arc almost none of these people win.
That’s most of the power scaling community’s fault no his… to many Minato simps like to downplay Tobirama
Don't we know that the 2 brothers died in the fight BEFORE Tobirama died? Since when the brothers are resurrected by edo tensai they believe that Tobirama is the one who brought them back.
So Tobirama probably killed the 2 brothers but ended up too weak to deal with the rest of the shinobies
People need to stop talking about Tobirama's racist past and start talking about his skills...and racist future.
Tobirama lifts a finger and almost knocked down that Uchiha hideout entirely
with infinite refilling chakra 😊
@@derekseago9647 your right Orichimaru put up 2 so
@TegMode alive tobirama maybe. there is a way tobirama can avoid genjutsu
@@derekseago9647infinite refilling chakra means nothing here bud. His strength was limited and he was still able to do that.
That’s not that impressive saying Itachi and Sasukes fight already destroyed the foundation of the place 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I keep seeing this as “Ginyu force” and for some reason I feel like that would a dope video
I never really thought about Kinkaku and Ginkaku having Hagoromo's weapons with him. Lol
They never had kinkaku and ginkaku weapons lmao darui was able to fight them with his sword he went toe to toe with them
@@SyedAli-gl7jqthat’s just not true. Rewatch the fight- they had all of them but one in Edo Tensei and knew how to work them all. Also Darui literally ran away and there’s panels of bodies just falling when Kinkaku rampages. I just rewatched the fight and Darui tries to hide and get caught. What are you on about
Thanks for making this Nick. I didd’t know that the S rank claim was misinformation
I love the fact that the funny question jar doesn’t even need an answer it simply requires an ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of the question which if that is truly how it works means simply looking at the person or registering that someone asked you a question would be all it takes to get sealed.
I was just on your channel, no upload. Clicked the homepage and you uploaded, lmao.
You know it’s kind of sad that two sudo jinchuriki had to have 20 Jonin just to take down the second hokage
*Pseudo
@@kirk5649 I know my autocorrect messed up
Nick you forgot to mention Tobirama probably killed Kinkako and Ginkako in this fight. Kinkako and Ginkako think it was Tobirama who brought them back as Edo Tensei in the Fourth Ninja war. Why would they think that if they killed him and took his body back to the village like Nick says. Kinkako and Ginkako died before Tobirama and if he died after fighting them it only makes sense that Tobirama killed them despite being exhausted and out of chakra when he was talking to his team before the fight. Tobirama probably died of his injuries or ran out chakra completely.
His death and backstory is just a massive plot hole. Bro had mastered the flying rajin. U expect me to believe he didn’t have any seals anywhere in the world that he could have teleported him and his entire team away with? Someone who masters flying rajin is the one character who can’t be ambushed yet somehow he was.
My theory is Minato is better at FTG because of the way he uses the technique. If you both end up somewhere in an instant how can one be faster than the other? Maybe body flicker being faster gives you better reaction speed so you can use the jutsu quicker. But you’re not teleporting quicker you’re just using the move before the other person can because of your reaction speed. Tobiroma knows so many Jutsus and created so many OP jutsus. I think we can assume that he just doesn’t use FTG like that. He takes his Marked Kunai with him or marks em on the spot.
I agree about his death being a plot hole and BS though. With the very limited info we have on him he’s still in my top 3 naruto characters. And I think he’s way stronger than people give him credit for.
@@toddty11 but y would someone with the IQ of tobirama not always have an escape plan. It’s common sense if u have FTG u can get out of any situation at any time just by simply having a mark in your village. Him not having that and not using that to save his entire squad is horrible writing and it is disrespectful to a character with the title of Kage imo.
@@RedEyeItachi sometimes people have more pride than IQ. And in the world of Shinobi I’m sure pride meant something. This was the second time these people came for him, maybe he just wanted to finish it there and now. He was 60 plus years old with no family he was probably ready to see his brothers again and pass on the will of fire to the next generation.
@@RedEyeItachi Tobiroma strikes when the enemy is sure of victory not runs away when he feels the idea of defeat.
Gotta love these types of breakdowns. Gives a quick refresher of who scales where in Shipppuden 🔥
He never knows wtf he’s talking about and just sais what he thinks will garner the biggest reaction
@@QuinnValetinehe didn’t lie a single time in that video. Everyone he mentioned who he said loses WOULD LOSE.
Yeah if Tobirama couldn’t, neither could Itachi
Tell that to some itachi fans they’ll argue with you all day
@@lebrondavis1420 well, you can argue as long as it is fun) it is fiction in the end of the day, so it doesn't really matter :)
Thing is I feel like Minato could mid diff 😂
Yeah, tobiramma is so underrated, he claps itachi
False itachi undone the reanimated jutsu and defeated orichimaru and sage kabutoand sealed Nagato/Pain itachi can seal them
Kinkaku and Ginkaku were SO OP that Kabuto reanimated them.
bruh spamming and liking your own comments just to be seen is just cancer
you know whats funny… you cant prove either kinkaku or ginkaku were there
That doesn’t mean anything, he also reanimated people like Zabuza and the mist swordsman, who are fodder compared to war arc characters
@@donovan4222 True. I love how Zabuza and a few people swing that sword like "omg this is Sooo heavy", and then Kakashi just casually swings that thing like it's a pocket knife 🔪
@@derekseago9647 It's called the kinkaku force and both kinkaku and Ginkaku when reanimated talk about Tobirama casually
Kisame's so cooked he's definitely bringing up Itachi 😭
It's weird to think any name could be more frequently used than commonly used words. I imagine most people will have "yes" or "no" in their native language 😅😅
In EVERY language the most common words are things like "the", "a", "to"... Kishimoto just didn't think when writting that. @@MMAli-rq8kd
In EVERY language the most common words are things like "the", "a", "to"... Kishimoto just didn't think when writting that. @@MMAli-rq8kd
In EVERY language the most common words are things like "the", "a", "to"... Kishimoto just didn't think when writting that. @@MMAli-rq8kd
In EVERY language the most common words are things like "the", "a", "to"... Kishimoto just didn't think when writting that. @@MMAli-rq8kd
I don’t see how ginkaku could have been part of the kinkaku unit… when he was reanimated, he asked if Tobirama was casting the jutsu… if he knew Tobirama was dead, that wouldn’t be the first thing he asks as soon as he realises he is in the world of the living… if he knew Tobirama was dead, he might ask who is using Tobirama’s jutsu
ALSO Tobirama never mentioned that the kinkaku unit had kinkaku in it… just that there were 20. He also doesn’t mention that they were rogue ninja. No one does.
So the question is… who could defeat 20 highly skilled job in whilst fatigued from a mission? To put them in the same condition Tobirama was in
You're right about the conditions of the fight and the assumption from Kinkako tha Tobirama brought him as an Edo!
Nick is the weakest scaler among Naruto content creators but a good story teller 😅
Ginkaku could have been part of it if he died before Tobirama did
@@MMAli-rq8kdhe does better than Swag and Seth who unironically put Tobirama as weaker than Kisame and Darui level ignoring that he was fatigued for years
@@thenintenbro7154 nah. Tobirama would have said Ginkaku is leading the unit. All he said was high ranking shinobi. It’s logical to conclude he would have called out the person whose name is in the unit if they were there. And Ginkaku being one of the two who surprise jumped him and the raikage. They have a history. With his sending capabilities, he would have mentioned it
Nick you forgot to take into account summoning toads for jiriya and minato. Gamabunta is AT LEAST low tailed beast level. He can easily be summoned and dropped on the squad and wipe them out.
Plus the sage art: big ball rasengan is said to be able to carve out a mountain. It’s def strong enough to damage a jinchuriki.
Really? You seriously think a solution to beating some agile fast moving ninja is to drop a frog on them?💀 if ninjas weren’t able to evade stuff like that then wars would’ve just been fought like that lmao
@@joshuaperry2426 buddy you think jonin level ninja wouldn’t have a hard time with literally a tailed beast level threat? Have you seen gamabuntas water bombs? His big ass sword? Or the fact that jiriya can summon more than one frog?
@@TheHonoredOne444 bruh the force had s-ranked ninja they weren’t low jouinin lvl. The summonings aren’t biju lvl either.
@@stephenking2895 nick himself debunked that in the video. They aren’t s rank. And we literally saw gamabunta fight the 1 tails. He may not be on the same level but he’s at least on the same level in size. And he’s just under them in strength. Minimum he’s causing a distraction like I said and prolly taking a few of them out.
@@TheHonoredOne444 they were strong enough to kill tobirama they are waxing jiraya and his toads. Gamabunta fought a nerfed shukaku. He didn’t have access to his full power. He couldn’t even do a biju dama.
There's no way Kinkaku and Ginkaku survived that second fight with Tobirama. They thought that Tobirama was the one who brought them back during the war so all three of them had to have died thay day.
I thought they said that because during their time Tobirama was the only or at least the only known user of the Edo Tensei
@mothmanjb6581 If thay was the case then they would have commented about being caught in the second hokage's jutsu, instead they say "Pitiful! Snared by the second hokage, when we beat him before, eh, Kinkaku?" They beat him once during the meeting between Tobirama and the Raikage, so they must have died during their second fight with Tobirama.
Thanks for lunch Tv Nick lol
Nice😭lunch TV
I'm also watching this on my work lunch break 😂
Needed this my smoking Tv
Nick: “Itachi does not have enough chakra to defeat 20 hashirama level threat”
Itachi after killing everyone in his clan that could fight: O.O!
The strongest one was his dad who stood there
Itachi was not trying to kill Yagura; he's expressly trying to capture him alive.
Anyone else assume that Nick's soul word would be myriad 😂
Didn't Tobirama's tags destroy Sage Hashirama's Torii gates that could hold down Ten tails?
If so, I'd say Tobirama's tags could damage Kin and Jin in cloak form.
Not sure if Tobirama could use this technique whilst not having an Edo
Yeah that's the thing. We don't know how the battle went or if tobirama had spare Edo tensie or not
Tobirama was not in his prime and was exhausted and out of chakra in this fight . Otherwise he could FTG his team out of there 😅
@@MMAli-rq8kd either out of chakra, or I like to think that maybe the Kinkaku unit may have had someone on the squad that was able to nullify space time ninjutsu in a certain area which is why Tobirama didn't even attempt to FTG everyone.
Would be nice to see how this battle actually played out and how many of the squad he managed to take down before being killed.
Not sure about his prime tbh
29:20 That's not true Nick! We know where Hiruzen learned the Reaper Death Seal from; Minato. Hiruzen says it's just like Minato says, you see the Shinagami immediately after using the hand signs but the other person can't although they can no longer use jutsu once the Shinagami grabs their soul but they can't see why.
31:14 idk why he wouldnt be able to use them more than once, I feel like if you consider his multiple uses of Amaterasu after his initial use of Tsukuyomi when be was fighting Sasuke (and before using the Susano'o) he should have enough chakra to take out the two biggest threats pretty quickly... Then its just 20 guys who have probably never seen a Susano if Itachi chooses to use it, and if not, im pretty sure he could think his way through killing 20 guys. At the very least, the first priority is taken out in less than a second.
Exactly my thoughts he could Amaterasu the brothers instantly, they have no way of dodging, he hit nagato with it pretty easily, if itachi wants to hit an Amaterasu he’s gonna hit it , and ye I don’t think he’d even need Susano for the fodder but if he did use it he would be invincible as they would not be able to damage his Susano
@@QuinnValetineif an exhausted v1 Naruto can push off an amaterasu what does it even matter here
Nick you forgot an important name; *Tobirama!*
Just hear me out 😅
When Tobirama decides to play decoy to let his team escape, you can see he is full of bruses and looks exhausted already. The whole team looks roughed up. I think he says or implies he has no chakra left when he enters the fight.
Point two; I think Tobirama killed Kinkako and Ginkako along with their force despite being exhausted and out of chakra. The reason is that they think it was Tobirama who brought them back as Edo Tensei in the Fourth Ninja war. Why would they think that if they killed him and took his body back to the village like Nick says. Kinkako and Ginkako died before Tobirama and if he died after fighting them it only makes sense that Tobirama killed them.
Tobiraba lost cause the treasures. He said the phrase "I can let the Uchica unchecked".
He was in the Pure Lands tho
He kept saying damn uchiha's 😂
@@LexAbsurdumthe treasures were empty in the war so anyone who lost to them has to be
I slways imagined that the other 20 jonin weren’t just completely fodder ninjas. My theory is that they were basically Kakashi/Might Guy/Asuma(when they were Jonins)level ninjas. They were probably legendary ninjas in their own right it’s just the story doesn’t need us to know their names.
That and having 2 descendants of Hagoromo on your side is gonna be hard for any high level ninja. Especially for someone that isn’t Hashirama, Naruto, Sasuke, an Otsutsuski, etc, etc blah blah blah you get it. Imagine one of those Jonin opening up the 8 gates during the battle?!?! There were 20 of them, there was a real possibility that one of them was a Taijutsu specialist. Out of the 20 top Jonin in Konoha there has been a taijutsu specialist the last 2 generations. I’m not sure if Tobirama could handle the 8 gates on top of 19 other jonin and Ginkaku and Kinkaku. Hell, i’m not so sure adult Sasuke could handle that lol. Especially now that he doesn’t have his rinnegan. He would have to hope his susano could stop an 8 gates barrage and i wouldn’t bet money that it would be able to lol. I’m sure it could by now but i wouldn’t risk money on it lol.
People forget that jonin are super powerful look at the ninja war, guys using some weird hax, it’s like 20 zabuzas with different powers lol
Itachi is one of those ninjas who could've conquered the world if he wanted too but he decided to limit his potential on purpose, to remain good.
Do you think Itachi chose to have low chakra reserves and a “chakra illness”? Thats basically saying Itachi could conquer the world if he was stronger
@@willjones548 It's not like saying that because Im referring to his mind, it was wise and tenacious. He could've easily took over by stealing sasukes eyes and figuring out a way to snake obito into doing his bidding. Sasuke even mentioned that with the power that he had obtained during his last fight agaisnt naruto, that becoming immortal wasn't out of the realm of possibility.
@@ChristianCaliberNetworkit's not like he would've been able to use them much with his shitty chakra supply😭
@@shaicloud1240 your not even a real fan of naruto, otherwise you would know that edo itachi would be able to use the ems with no problem. Also he had kotoamatsukami so he could've just tricked obito's mentally weak ass into reviving him.
@@ChristianCaliberNetwork u didn't specify edo Itachi...
Itachi is infamous for killing his entire clan by himself (he even started the night with a non combat tsukuyomi) but Nick says he isnt good at one vs many for some reason. Im not saying Itachi sweeps, im just saying i think 20% might be Nick might be framing things to farm engagement.
Ikr 😂 he knows that itachi would win easily. The are not perfect shinchuriki so they can easily be put on genjutsu. He knows what he is doing.
“Itachi isn’t able to use Amaterasu multiple times in one day “ bro legit spammed it fighting sasuke lol
@Aymen19827So? He'd rather get killed?! Take out the two brothers and Genjutsu anyone who doesn't run! 😂😂
Itachi: "Done! Now someone show me how to get home cause I can't see anymore" 😅
@Aymen19827he was talking about Ginkaku and Kinkaku saying that surely Itachi would rather lose his sight than die fighting them by not spamming MS abilities
Edit: I think lmao
He can't _spam_ Amaterasu, but he can fire it off more than once a day. It's Tsukiyomi that he can't use more than once a day, because it damn near kills him each time.
He literally died at the end of the fight and knew he was gonna die, that’s why he spammed it
@Aymen19827Naruto could push amaterasu off of him with a v1 cloak it doesn’t matter
You can just tell Nick wants to get into powerscaling SOOO bad, a lot of his recent videos have been borderline/disguised powerscaling videos lol
Yeah but he's terrible at it. This video proves it
I think you are downplaying tobirama perhaps
I personally believe he killed both brothers, since they are in the sams form in edo tensai.
They could easily get their folk lore status before that fight.
Look at Madara, he never killed Hashirama but was still almost defied.
When the brothers are brought back as edos they ask "if it's damned Tobirama that brought them back" which makes no sense if they had killed him. It seems like Tibirama killed Kikako and Ginkako and died of his wounds or chakra depletion.
Also, Tobirama was not in his prime and was exhausted and out of chakra in this fight . Otherwise he could FTG his team out of there 😅
@@MMAli-rq8kd thats a really good point.
F it
Tobirama killed the entire 20 ninjas but died after
Should do a video about if each akatsuki member became a kage in their respective villages
I like that idea but
What are we going to do about the villages of the akatsuki members who don’t come from a massive village
Like hidan or kakuzu
And people who are from the same village
Like obito itachi
And nagato was already the dictator of the rain village
You are making a bunch of assumptions. We literally do not know how strong the Kinkaku Unit was lol
We don’t even know who any of its members are, some speculate Kinkaku isn’t even part of it, but it was a force to hunt him down
@@donovan4222 that more likely since they were the ones who fed kinkaku and ginkaku to the nine tails
i like to think that Tobirama's most said word was something along the lines of "hidden", "leaf" and "uchiha" and if it's "uchiha" then my guess is that his second most said word is some kind of Naruto equivalent of a cancellable offense
2 words
Dust Release
No one in this matchup has dust release to my knowledge .
yeah, especially Mu, who can use dust release, can go invisible, hide his presence and also can split himself as well.
What the hell, do you think Itachi has Jinton? 'Cause he doesn't.
The only characters that have that are Mu and onoki. Neither have anything to do with this fight
@@derekvincent7902neither does almost anyone in the video
I’m a big Tobirama fan so I’d like to think that he was able to take out most of the 20 elite jonin and maybe even injuring the twins before dying.
Tobirama is underrated
gaara would have a good crack with all his sealing jutsu, and kid gaara already showed his ability to more than truly deal with jonin. one giant sand burial kills more jonin then its just a matter of sealing kinkaku. he can also fly around on his sand so he has enough mobility and cheese strategy and just fly around picking them off.
Gaara would definitely wipe the floor in this fight. Especially while still a jinchuriki. Only reason he was captured is because he was protecting the village. If it's just him he's burying everyone
Did he just say that Kisame >Itachi
He knows itachi wins no diff he just instantly Amaterasu the brothers and Susano the 20 fodder if he even needs Susano, he said this cause he knows the itachi fans will fill the comments creating a lot of engagement so the vid can blow up
Guy is 100% getting sealed after mentioning the powers of youth
What about Konan? 🤔💙
I was under the impression the yata mirror acted almost like gaaras sand in that it moves autonomously and can change size depending on what/where the attack is. I’m totally open to that I might be wrong but would like confirmation
well can Itachi use isanagi?
And seal them with susannoo
I equate Boruto series to Star Wars Sequel (movies 7,8,9).
It subjectively made the overall story worse, most OG fans don’t like it, and they kill off/throttle the OG protagonist power.
I think Naruto Prequels would’ve been awesome, follow a Minato or Hiruzen storyline
Woah woah woah Sakura isn't soloing Tobirama. Nick who hurt you this morning?! 😭🤣
Modern Sakura is borderline immortal and stronger than a Tailed Beast. I think she has a solid shot at it.
@@mung01re no she doesn't I like Sakura always have but no she's not immortal and she shore as hell ain't stronger than a tail beast strength alone don't mean shit
@@venomking3602 She literally is. Ask me how I know you haven't read her light novels.
@@venomking3602 They said **borderline** immortal. I wouldn't underestimate the Strength of a Hundred Seal.
Tobirama was borderline immortal. Madara still bodied him 😆
Keep in mind that Jiraiya wasn't trying to hurt Naruto when he sprouted the 4th tail. Honestly, Oro wasn't either.
Things like this make me wish Naruto was longer. We know tobirama was fatigued, but how strong were the 20S class Shinobi. How many survived?! Did he blow them all up!!!!
Though I am all about this, really wanna see the new Boruto theories. I’ll save this for later for those long drives. Keep up the good work Nick!
Kinkaku force low diffs Itachi
Nope, Itachi can just Amaterasu them and its over. They are not super fast like Raikage so they cannot dodge it.
@@Jallu555 they can just use beast chakra and shrug it off like Naruto did against sasuke.
@@azrael_pendragon Then Itachi can just seal them with Totsuka blade, big targets so it wont miss, we saw in war arc their 9 tails cloak being sealed quite easily, so Totsuka blade wont have any problem sealing them.
@@Jallu555
The Gold and silver brothers also possessed all the sage of six paths tools, the gourd and the Kohaku no Johei would be more than enough to seal itachi.
If kin or gin calls Itachi's name and he answers, he'd be sealed immediately, and there'd be no hope of ever escaping.
The final statement is completely wrong Nick!
Tobirama fought the Kinkaku force exhausted and out of chakra and not in his prime so using this fight to scale him is not smart. Moreover, we don't know the full outcome of the fight, but tgere are strong indications that Kinkako and Ginkako were killed by Tobirama before he died.
Can we get a full video on Sakura post 4GSW? I feel like she’s very underrated in combat strength as an adult
Fax people need to stop sleeping on her
Nick, next video suggestion "Who among the ninjas in Naruto can be classified as akatsuki lvl threat"
Keep up the great work and videos Nick love the video
Awesome as always thanks ❤
I may be misremembering, but didn’t the gold and silver brothers comment asking if Tobirama brought them back?
They said that they never thought that'd they'd be brought back by tobirama's jutsu, since they beat him.
@@ADM.II. is that what they said? I don’t remember the exact words so I’m inclined to believe you.
Do you happen to have what they said exactly?
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PITIFUL! SNARED BY THE SECOND HOKAGE, WHEN WE BEAT HIM BEFORE, EH, KINKAKU?
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I think that this is the main English translation.
@@ADM.II. thanks! But are they referring to the first time when they fought him or the second time?
The golden silver brothers jumped him and killed the Raikage yeah?
Lmaoo this dude really PROUDLY SAID “ADULT SAKURA” 😂😂😂 WILDDDDD
He ain’t wrong why you laughing adult Sakura is op
He ain’t wrong why you laughing adult Sakura is op
People who think Itachi is an unstoppable force against anyone are the same people who think Neji would have beat Sasuke in the chunin exams.
Another great and fun topic/video. I agree with most of the opinions, but quite obviously itachi would body kinkaku/ginkaku w/ jonin force. Totsuka blade on the brothers at any pt, yata and susannoo can easily block any tailed beast att from 2 non-jinchurikis. Itchai has MASTERED MS, so his susanoo is potent enough. Furthermore he can tsykoyomi the borthers in less than 1 second, leaving only one. Itachi has never had or been stated to have low charkra. The lowest pt for itachi was dog walking hebi sauske... Who had curse mark and orochimaru sealed inside, im gonna say his chakra pools are just fine guy
What if Jiraiya is in Sage Mode with the help of Gamabunta, Gamaken, and Gamahiro. I feel like that’s a lot of firepower to battle 20 jonin and 2 V2 cloaks.
Hello.
Yes @NC Hammer 23. DANZO!
You left off DANZO.
With all those sha ran gans.
Yeah
Good luck.
Post script..
Because in the end.
Everything DANZO has done was kinda for the leaf. In the sense it was for him to be able to never fall to the Horizon Tobirama Sitch again.
Also, I still think Tobi called hims lf mockingly Tobi because it infers it is his senseis pops.
I would consider Might Guy dying would still be a win in that fight because most likely, if he is fighting that entire force, they're attempting to do something besides kill him. He is there to stop them. He does, but so do they. He achieved his goal and they didn't.
Just picturing Prime Hiruzen just flinging roof tiles at Kink and Gink just busts me up 😂😂😂😂
Tobi needs a rematch. You forgot to take into consideration that he wasn’t too weak to even use Flying rajin on his group. He was undoubtedly running on less than half of his strength
We just assume he has markers all over the place or what? Tobiroma admits that Minato is better at FTG than he is. And I think that’s because of how Minato uses it compared to Tobiroma. Getting somewhere in an instant is getting there in an instant. Minato can probably use the move before Tobiroma can because of his reaction speed. But that’s the shinobi himself and not the jutsu. Plus Tobiroma creates a new version middle of a fight and connects minatos “superior” FTG to his own. Creating a new FTG technique on the spot, so he’s clearly not far behind Minato in “perfecting” the move.
But I say all that just to say are sure he leaves marked kunai just laying around? Is it in character for him to do it just because we’ve seen minato do something similar to it?
@@toddty11 I only bring up the Flying Rajin as a measurement of his chakra at the time. I doubt he’d have very many tags on him to use in battle. But I do think it wouldn’t be as simple a fight as the video made it seem.
@@betterlatethannever4529 naw I get it. Because we don’t know exactly what they had already done on that mission or why they were being perused. The fact that their cover was blown in enemy territory and they had a death squad on them probably means they had a battle of some sorts before that. Either with someone else or with the people giving chase. But I’m saying idk how we can be sure he just has something with a mark back home (though someone told me he’s stated to have one on the hokages head)
A dumb yet entertaining little video would be going through Naruto and discussing what each character's most used word would be
We need a series for Naruto and/or one piece for just straight fights that were only spoke of or only shown glimpse of fights. They could even do small stories to understand the old characters or get different sides of known characters
Nick not going into detailed explanation about the effect of the Totsuka Blade is like watching YuGiOh Abridged and knowing what Pot of Greed actually does.
It feels weird 😂
Because if he did the Itachi fanboys would likely just glaze him even harder… tobirama vs Itachi would be a whole video so that Nick could debunk each stupid claim for Itachi
15:45 Shouldn't have been that funny but... 😂😂
It's so crazy when you think about the idea that tobirama developed all his jutsu to counteract the Uchiha.
TenTen's got this. Her sleight of hand is so good that she'd use their own weapons against them.
Minato has a whole arsenal of sealing jutsu which is advantageous and victory path as you mentioned yourself in beginning. And hiruzen with enma's ademantite staff form was able to throw kurama out of the village, he can definitely swing it fast and hard enough to d**k slap both brothers.
Kinkaku and Ginkaku Cloak up...
Naruto: "Oh, that's just adorable!"
You can't put tobirama vs non-uchiha, if you do then you'll see a man with no motivation whatsoever. Tobirama gets a confirmed 2 tier boost when fighting them damn Red-eyes
*Tobirama wasn't at full power when he fought the 20 Shinobi since him and his squad was scuffed up plus the fact he didn't even use Flying Rajin to escape implying that and he didn't have enough Chakra to do much which is why one of the team members had to be a decoy that and the fact that given Tobirama's feats of Tagging Juubito, keeping up with Rinnegan Sage Madara and the fact that his Squad is fairly strong it shouldn't make sense for them to lose to Randoms at full power so they were sneek attacked when they were weakened, Also given the time period and Tobirama's standard's of strength the Kinkaku Force not being Akatsuki or S class level doesn't make sense since they're tracking a Kage, the HOKAGE which is the strongest Kage so they should be atleast Deidara Level or early Shippuden CM2 Sasuke*
*Kingaku and Ginkaku should scale to V2 Raikage in Base since The Raikage thought he could barely beat them in Base and only gave up when they're transformations were in the conversation so in Base they should Scale to KCM1 Naruto in Base and with the V2 6 Tails buff they should be in the initial KCM2 Naruto tier in terms of strength so they pretty much beat most Akatsuki members Except the White Mask Obito and while Itachi is strong and fast he's not reacting to Initial KCM2 Naruto tier characters, They beat The Sanin even in the War Arc, They beat Minato since he doesn't have enough AP to get past the Cloak and his sealing wouldn't be strong enough to do anything other than the Reaper Death Seal which at best would just be a draw or Kinkaku or Ginkaku just die, Kisame would be good but the thing about him and Samehada is that they actively have to absorb the Chakra but given the stats difference they wouldn't be able to absorb the Chakra in time. The Kinkaku and Ginkaku Force pretty much beat Below Intail KCM2 characters but past that they get BODIED BADLY by Character's stronger than Initial KCM2 Naruto*
You're highly overrating the Kinkaku force and underrating a lot of the other characters.
Like for example, there's nothing that suggests that the Kinkaku force is anywhere close to the Akatsuki's level. If they were, Kabuto would've brought them back during the war or at least mentioned them like he did for Jiraiya and Shisui.
Also, they don't scale to KCM1 Naruto in base. Kinkaku and Ginkaku speed scales to Darui who at best scales to V1 Raikage who's slower than KCM1 Naruto and while transformed, Kinkaku and Ginkaku didn't seem to improve speed wise, they only gained more power. And even if we assumed they did, they'll probably just get to KCM1 Naruto level.
So no, they don't beat the Sannin especially considering the variety of jutsus they can use. They also lose to Minato, he has AP strong enough to counter a tailed beast bomb from Kurama and if that doesn't work for some reason, he has sealing jutsu strong enough to seal Kurama ( at least half ) so sealing Kin and Gin would be no problem. There's more to be said but you get the point
@@donsamsey No the scaling was pretty clear. For 1 from what we know the Kinkaku Force either died against Tobirama while Tobirama died due to Chakra fatigue or his injuries or they just disappeared after the encounter with Tobirama so Kabuto likely didn't know much about them or where to find them, Second: Jiraiya and Shisui death's were relatively recent not to mention given Jiraiya's and Shisui's status there was more info about them but not for the Kinkaku Force or think of it like why we didn't see Kagimi Uchiha or Sakumo Hatake during the war arc.
They do since V1 Raikage is relative with Darui and this same Darui was being bullied by Base Kinkaku and Ginkaku not to mention KCM1 Naruto was being bullied by V1 Raikage before he got his Mental Amp and considering how worried the Raikage was when they appeared it wouldn't make sense for them not to scale to KCM1 Naruto since they are able to scare Raikage A and going by how he acts and talks he knows that even if he uses his Full Power it still would be close meaning they scale to KCM1 Naruto since they scale to V2 Raikage A. That legit doesn't make sense since it's a Biju Cloak which Amps everything so let's not do the whole mental gymnastics thing and even if you wanna say Amped KCM1 Naruto or the Naruto that blitzed the Raikage is above them in Base that's fine since given the V2 6 Tails state they should be within the Initial KCM2 Naruto tier for example
V1 Amps the user by 10 times or more but let's low-ball, V2 is ten times stronger than V1 going by Kisame's statement and difference between the Tails is 4 times meaning V1 1 Tail is a 100 times Amp or the Full V2 6 Tails Amp is 409,600 times Base. Now let's Use some power levels to get an idea of the gap
Base Ginkaku is a 15
Base Kinkaku is a 18
Full power Raikage is a 20
The Naruto that blitzed him is a 1500
Initial KCM2 is a 5 million
Using the scale and number Ginkaku and Kinkaku are
Ginkaku: 6,144,000
Kinkaku:7,372,800
So they scale to Initial KCM2 Naruto or slightly above him
Top tier content
"no amount of explosions can remove a chakra cloak"
Konan: " Bet"
I really enjoyed this one! And Tobirama is the GOAT!
Milk the cow. Make a “legends of the leaf” and give us this fight in a movie format 😂
20 Akakaski level ninja. Isn’t unreasonable during their time. You got to think the 1st 2nd and 3rd in they prime would had destroyed negato. The leaf was at a weak time. @ 13:50 I found the statement iffy
Exactly during that time the leaf had the uchiha and huyga was very stabled, you have sakumo, the sanin, minato Shisui grandpa hiruzen danzo, and the akatsuki had people with hax abilities not just strong, Asuma was elite and he would’ve killed hidan had he known his power
Yes it is unreasonable. There are not even 20 Akatsuki level ninja (basically Kage level) in the entirety of Konoha in the main timeline which is the largest village. It makes zero sense that a smaller village could have 20 Akatsuki level ninja in some side force let alone their entire village!
Sakura, Sasuke etc. all clear purely because scaling during the war arc and Boruto is terrible.
Absolutely no way Obito (orange mask) wins though, he lost an arm against Torune and Fuu who are probably at the skill level you were talking about. No way he clears all 20. White mask has a shot but I wouldn't say it's going to be as easy as you make it out to be.
Pain has no chance, they were getting kinda worked in Konoha before Naruto even got there and the only reason they did so well is because Leaf forces were dispersed. If they were grouped like the Kinkaku force Pain would definitely have lost. Konohamaru killed one of them for crying out loud and we're talking shinobi who are far superior to him. Nagato in his body wins though.
Hashirama absolutely wins, he's insane.
Guy wins but dies, if he doesn't open the 8th gate then his power level just isn't high enough to take on 20 Asuma level shinobi + 2 S ranks on the level of Mid tier Akatsuki members. Orochimaru absolutely loses, have you not seen the prep it takes to do edo tensei, no way he can cast it without any preparations with so many strong ninja on him. Kisame I won't even get into cause I feel like saying he can win is kinda a joke. Jirayia loses, no question about it. Minato probably wins cause he can pick the 20 shinobi off one by one and seal the brothers. Hiruzen loses. Itachi definitely loses
Never understood how a man who can teleport anywhere ever get caught out like Tobirama did
The Akatiski alwyes travels in pairs, so.... Itachi & Kisame for the win. 🦇🦈
29:41 "speaking of a dead clans technique, up next we have a sharingan user: Itachi Uchiha"
Good transition, I say
I’m curious if Danzo could have pulled it of. He’s got an arm full of stolen sharingan and Hashirama’s healing to a degree he might stand somewhat of a chance against one of them. Two I’m not sure depends on how Izinagi interacts with their tools.
In my personal fan canon, I speculate that after the Gold and Silver Brothers Killed Tobirama, Kakuzu may have collaborated with them or seized the opportunity to confront them. Exploiting the weakened state of Kinkaku, Ginkaku, and the remaining forces after the battle, Kakuzu could have ambushed them and claimed the bounty on their heads.
Killer Be is a secret monster 😂. He clears them while writing lyrics. 😂
Now hear me out kakuzu was a member of the kinkaku/ginkaku force
Nick swear kisame kept up with 7th gate guy 😂😂😂
Of people you didnt mention i think MU would have had the best chance. Ability to basically disappear plus AP of particle release and ability to float due to ultra weight boulder. Ginkaku and kinkaku force would have had no answer to an almost impossible to find flying death ray that is Mu.