Kaguya is a cultural problem. Zetsu betraying Madara has been planned since the end of Naruto Part 1. After Naruto's first fight against Sasuke in the Valley of the End (chapters 233 and 234) Sasuke has a reaction similar to that of Hashirama (chapters 626 and 681) to the fact that Zetsu is watching them and Kakashi says in these chapters to how similar Naruto and Sasuke's story is to Hashirama and Madara's story. This is a foreshadowing of the fact that Zetsu manipulates the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura in the shadows. The cultural problem here is the fact that since his first appearance Black Zetsu speaks in katakana (the Japanese speak in 3 languages: hiragana, katakana and kanji). Everyone in Naruto speaks in hiragana except black Zetsu who speaks in katakana. When the Divine Tree (Kaguya) tells Madara to absorb it (after his fight against Gai) the dialogue is written in katakana, it is a foreshadowing on the fact that Black Zetsu has been his will all along (this is why the revelation comes out of nowhere when we see it in translated version). As you can imagine, this is a detail that the Japanese noticed and which was ignored during the translation.
How to fix Kaguya? save her for the The Last movie as the final villain. There are already too many controlled puppet enemies in the main series. Madara controlled Obito, Obito controlled Nagato and then it turns out that Madara is controlled by Zetsu and it also turns out that Black Zetsu is controlled by Kaguya. Please, give us a break...
@@stormslasher9471yes and the best way to finish off that theme is to show that all of the shinobi world was in fact controlled by a alien..... Really does wonders to how that theme is connected to human condition.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlYour take is so shallow. How does it being an Alien change the theme? If anything it adds to theme it’s “Inhumane” to use a person as a tool. Hence an Alien
@@Jay_SGE Because it's a bit... Much. At least in my opinion. Like If Black Zetsu just altered the Uchiha shrine and watched as everyone played into his hands that would've been cool. Manipulating half of the shows events takes the theme too far and into the absurd. Especially since Kaguya's dealt with so relatively quickly.
I don't know about adding Black Zetsu earlier in the series, the reason why Zetsu told Madara, he is a manifestation of his will was because Madara doesn't trust people outside of himself, also works in Zetsu's favor. If Zetsu kept advising madara as a separate thinking entity, Madara would also think of NOT trusting him and question his intentions. He was able to back stab Madara because Madara thought he was just his will.
@@appleboss9742 Madara barely trusted Obtio to resurect him (and he was right), and place a seal on his heart. Honestly, I think Madara would've just ended up using black Zestu to use Nagato to resurrect him. If Black Zetsu became a separate entity 100% madara would've made plans to betray him as well...which thinking about would be kind of interesting outside of the line of backstabbing.
Kaguya is a cultural problem. Zetsu betraying Madara has been planned since the end of Naruto Part 1. After Naruto's first fight against Sasuke in the Valley of the End (chapters 233 and 234) Sasuke has a reaction similar to that of Hashirama (chapters 626 and 681) to the fact that Zetsu is watching them and Kakashi says in these chapters to how similar Naruto and Sasuke's story is to Hashirama and Madara's story. This is a foreshadowing of the fact that Zetsu manipulates the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura in the shadows. The cultural problem here is the fact that since his first appearance Black Zetsu speaks in katakana (the Japanese speak in 3 languages: hiragana, katakana and kanji). Everyone in Naruto speaks in hiragana except black Zetsu who speaks in katakana. When the Divine Tree (Kaguya) tells Madara to absorb it (after his fight against Gai) the dialogue is written in katakana, it is a foreshadowing on the fact that Black Zetsu has been his will all along (this is why the revelation comes out of nowhere when we see it in translated version). As you can imagine, this is a detail that the Japanese noticed and which was ignored during the translation.
@@hc.117 In that case I think only the end of this video is needed. Madara gets his time to shine and Zetsu transforms him to Kaguya when he sees that he can't win against team seven.
Here's my gripe with Nick's introducing of Hagoromo to young Sasuke: *Sasuke awakened the Sharingan AFTER his clan died.* It was just minutes after seeing the corpses of his parents that his Sharingan activated for the first time. Instead of Sasuke awakening the Sharingan and having his father explain the origin of it afterward, let Sasuke have a flashback to the day Itachi threatened the Uchiha clan after Shisui's death. Extend the same flashback he had in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, where Itachi's Mangekyo was revealed. As Itachi stares at Sasuke with his Mangekyo, Itachi grimaces before hanging his head and covering his eyes with his hand. Sasuke notes that his brother looks like he's in a lot of pain. That night, Sasuke and Fugaku are in Sasuke's room. (Normally, Fugaku would talk with Itachi before bed, and Sasuke wonders why his father wasn't with his brother. Canonically, Fugaku and Itachi's relationship were strained at this time due to the tension between Itachi and the clan.) Sasuke: "Father, does your Sharingan hurt you, too?" Fugaku: "Yes, sometimes it does. But it's a price to access its power." Sasuke: _Sasuke touches under his own eye in contemplation. He suddenly feels the smallest amount of nervousness about awakening his Sharingan._ "But if it hurts, why do we pride ourselves of these eyes?" And THEN Fugaku explains the mythical origin of the Sharingan and introduces the Sage of Six Paths to the audience.
Imma say it, Madara’s plan was stupid and relied on convenience for it to work. Obito had no reason, wasn’t going, and had no intention of reviving Madara. He put his plan in the hands of someone who hated him and was going to let him stay dead. He also would’ve gotten revived as a old as man even if it did work
Obito had a reason. He believed the inscriptions in the Uchiha stone that Kuro Zetsu altered/created would lead to his dream world. That just lead to Madaras betrayal, which didnt last long as Kaguya/Kuro Zetsu or whatever pretty much took over instantly
I'd have Guy actually finish off Madara with the Night Guy, and then, when Madara is incredibly weakened, Kaguya is able to take control of his weakened body. I still think Kaguya coming out of Madara makes sense, because it was explained that Kaguya herself was essentially the Ten Tails, as she became the Ten Tails after combining with the God Tree, (sometime after giving birth to Hagoromo and Hamura), which would technically mean that its Kaguya herself who's sealed inside of Madara. After Guy's sacrifice, (yes, actual sacrifice), to defeat Madara, Team 7 can take down Kaguya in the final battle.
Zetsu is like a failed karma marking basically he was able to inject his Chakra into madara and that's how Kaguya was able to transport herself out of the moon she was sealed in from hagaromo and hamura
While initially unlikely, integrating the Otsutsuki concept into Naruto early on could have been feasible. But it unreal to think Kishimoto could planned that way before as he wasn't going with that story line in the early naruto. However, its introduction during the war arc could have been executed effectively. Kaguya's storyline could have been saved for Boruto, with Naruto focusing on Hagoromo and Hamura's narratives. Introducing Hagoromo during the Pain arc has already laid a foundation of shinobi God. With black zetsu fusing into madara as karma mark before madara was sealed by team 7 as foreshadowing for the boruto series; marks the end of war arc. The following three-year time skip could unveil Hamura's descendant, Toneri, as the ultimate foe, accompanied by Sasuke's redemption arc. Sasuke's development, including his bond with Sakura and admiration for Naruto and Kakashi, would deepen. His hyperventilation while searching for Sakura in battle and self-sacrifice for Naruto would highlight his growth. A final battle between Sasuke, Naruto, and toneri, followed by glimpses of the next generation's future, would conclude Naruto's story. Boruto's prologue would feature Naruto and Sasuke battling a resurrected Kaguya through the medium of sealed karma marked madara, setting the stage for the Boruto series, ensuring both series retain their distinct identities.
It's fairly easy to fix. Have Hagoromo tell Naruto and Sasuke that Madara is mistaken and that bringing back the tree will release Kaguya, and that Kaguya is completely insane (insert flashback three-part episode here). Get rid of the reincarnation crap and the Black Zetsu manipulating everyone stupidity and just make it that bringing back the 10 tails will inevitably bring back the Mad Moon Goddess Kaguya. Hagoromo is connected to all chakra, so he's seen everything that has happened. He chooses Naruto and Sasuke to stop her because they REMIND him of his children both in terms of power and personality.....not because they ARE his children. (This maintains the hardwork vs destiny dichotomy because it was their actions that brought the there, not fate). They can try to stop Madara (who should NOT have been the final boss, but that's for another time) by telling him the truth. He wouldn't believe them because he's an ass and then he slowly gets taken over. When Kaguya comes back, she just a mindless monster spouting off random stuff that doesn't make a lick of sense (until Boruto) and make it clear that she is imagining that Naruto and Sasuke are her children, Kakashi is her husband and Sakura is either a younger her, some Otsutsuki that we don't know or a third child that we saw in the flashback episodes (spoilers for OC, THAT is the progenitor of the Uzumaki Clan). This gives everyone a place in the fight and makes Sakura look a tiny bit better pre-Boruto (cause she can use the glow up). You can keep pretty much everything the same without nerfing the final boss by making him a pawn and he gets a suitable comeuppance by being perma-sealed into a madperson for all of eternity in his own personal hell aka....a infinite tsukuyomi.
Actually I agree with them not being a reincarnation of Indra and ashura hagoromo choose Naruto and Sasuke because they are Naruto and Sasuke in the current time period they are the strongest Shinobi so he giving his power to them will be a icing on the cake to defeat Madara , just like Naruto and Sasuke not being reincarnation of Indra and ashura, Hashirama and Madara is also not hagoromo’s sons reincarnation you can say that living in the period where a newborn baby is thrown into the battlefield to fight makes them 2 strongest shinobi which people started to call Hashirama the god of shinobi
More you're near the end of the story and the editor wants sequel bait, and you panic instead of realizing oh wait our world has other continents, so I don't need to make Kaguya an alien, or expand the power scale beyond this one up of the most powerful person ever.
I personally wish the Rinnegan wasn't an upgrade to the Sharingan, and Madara had another way to revive himself. Maybe Madara had a different plan that he already laid the groundwork for long before Obito came into the picture, and he only told Obito said plan so he could oversee that everything works out. Obito would make his own plans involving the Rinnegan when he discovers Nagato's abilities. The idea here being that Madara's plan was already primed for success, and Obito can do more scheming than just following Madara's plan.
Other than that, I actually love this alteration... particularly how Naruto has to learn Hagaromo is a hero, since that would change his perception on Kurama and make it feel more grounded for Kurama to decide to help Naruto.
Honestly, aside from how avoidable Neji's death was, I think it did what it was supposed to do. Neji's story was loathing being part of the side branch and effectively being an enslaved pawn for the main family, expected to die to protect the cousin he barely cared about. And when the time finally came, he deliberately chose to die to protect her, out of genuine love, rather than out of coercion or even necessarily duty. Of course, that doesn't mean that there's no possible way it could have been better than what we got, so don't let me stop people from suggesting cool changes. I just don't see it as fundamentally broken to begin with, is all.
@@riluna3695To me a better ending would ve been Hiashi dieing protecting Neji. Hizashi died protecting his brother, Neji's dad. Then, years later, Hiashi would die protecting his son.
@@taylor.river7 That has some poeticism to it as well. A main family member sacrificing themselves for a branch family member. A nice reversal to show the beginnings of change in the Hyuga family, respecting everyone instead of just the heir. I approve :D
@@riluna3695But if you want the narrative of Neji choosing to sacrifice himself, there is alwyes the Pain arc. Like, he sees Naruto and/or Hinata loseing and goes to the battle field to help and have him die there. Since, he would return later, like Kakashi (without the sea mightl), after Nagato uses rinne rebirth. It's not like Hinata's confession there led to anything happeing between them. Also, Naruto and Neji have history because of their fight during the chunnin exams.
@@riluna3695For Hinata, there is so many options. She could learn medical ninjutsu with Tsunade and Shizune, along side Sakura and Ino. 🤗 Or learn Genjutsu from Kurenai. She has the chakra control for it. Plus, I would love to have seen her and Rock Lee interect some more. Like, he is also a taijutsu user and practices with Neji, a lot so... Plus the contrasts in their personalities would intresting to see. Would be great to see a male/female friendship that does not led to romance.
The thing about separating the Rinnegan between 2 people is that Rinnegan's vision is linked. So Nagato would be seeing all of Obito's dirty little secrets.
I really like how you made the information that we got at the last second and made it so that they came earlier on. I would’ve took it a step further, and more clear that black zetsu is Kaguya mind and not a separate person so when she comes in, she would actually have a personality
You know; I don't have an inherent problem with Black Zetsu killing Madara at his strongest; In a weird way I actually think thematically it makes the most sense. The only problem though; is that it's a sneak attack from behind. As such; I would've loves to see that scene take a cue from Bleach when Gin betrays Aizen. Have it so instead of just randomly appearing; Black Zetsu comes up and stands right alongside Madara. You can even have him praise Madara openly; congratulating him about being the strongest in the world, and finish by saying something like "and that's exactly what she deserves". Then when Madara pauses for the tiniest of seconds to ask "what do you mean?" it's only then that Black Zetsu turns around and shoves his hand right through Madara; and the whole conversation about Madara being blinded for power is now delivered by the person who controlled everything staring right into Madaras face.
Interestingly enough naruto kinda did seed the idea of the otsutsuki and kaguya as early back as the chunin exams. Remember during hinata and neji's battle kakashi was explaining their byakugan, he also mentions "the byakugan and sharingan are distantly related to each other". A line that didnt mean anything until kaguya showed up having both sharingan and byakugan and being the common ancestor of both the uchiha and hyuuga Infact come to think about it, in hindsight its actually really weird that kakashi would even know that to begin with since kaguya and that whole connection was lost from history
That's a reach. Nothing about that suggests that there is a clan of extraterrestrial demigods planning to destroy the earth. All it meant was that 1. as dojutsu from the same village, they're similar, and might possibly have similar origins or even a common ancestor. That's it.
@@meko98743 Yeah he's referring to the 'common ancestor' part, but in all honesty even an implied common ancestor of every dojutsu in the world definitely has 'demi-godlike' connotations...
None of this or the Kaguya clan implies anything about the shared ancestor being an alien demigod, instead of just an early user of chakra whose children diverged from her.
I like what you did in this video but I’ll change one thing so that black Zetsu strikes after Might Guy nearly kills him and I’d make Guy dies after he opens the eight gate
Its werid, before i came into the community itself, when watching for thr first time i assumed Kaguya would be beloved as this ancient all powerful diety that the main characters had to fight, i was hyped. Then i saw everyone shitting on her online cus madara wasn't the final villain.
Ijs who did people think hagoromo was speaking of as his mother, when Naruto and Sasuke where nearly killed by Madara on like the second night of the war arc 😂😂 c'mon now
@Qualltoxy Kaguya is a cultural problem. Zetsu betraying Madara has been planned since the end of Naruto Part 1. After Naruto's first fight against Sasuke in the Valley of the End (chapters 233 and 234) Sasuke has a reaction similar to that of Hashirama (chapters 626 and 681) to the fact that Zetsu is watching them and Kakashi says in these chapters to how similar Naruto and Sasuke's story is to Hashirama and Madara's story. This is a foreshadowing of the fact that Zetsu manipulates the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura in the shadows. The cultural problem here is the fact that since his first appearance Black Zetsu speaks in katakana (the Japanese speak in 3 languages: hiragana, katakana and kanji). Everyone in Naruto speaks in hiragana except black Zetsu who speaks in katakana. When the Divine Tree (Kaguya) tells Madara to absorb it (after his fight against Gai) the dialogue is written in katakana, it is a foreshadowing on the fact that Black Zetsu has been his will all along (this is why the revelation comes out of nowhere when we see it in translated version). As you can imagine, this is a detail that the Japanese noticed and which was ignored during the translation.
Fix sakura next some of my ideas is make her fall in love with sasuke during the series not before the series make her an orphan not like anyone gives a damn about them also you could make her a senju which would be really interesting and also definitely remove that ridiculous dialogue of her making fun of naruto about being an orphan
I would fix Sakura by making her a genjutsu specialist and giving her a cool genjutsu. Alot of ppl said that Sakura was useless during the child series. Hardly any of the other main characters used genjutsu so it would have made her stand out more and seem like more of a threat then a damsel in distress. It would also make the attraction to Sasuke make more sense in my opinion because he is one of the few characters that actually does use genjutsu so they would have that in common.
Yeah if she didn't immediately attack and instead opted to gaslight her children as the true villains, who were jealous of her power, she may have won by default.
This video was enlightening. I'm working on a similar plot thread in my own story, and your ideas on how to better handle Kaguya have put so many ideas in my head! More than Naruto content, this is why I come back again and again!
Yeah, seeding Hagoromo earlier and making Black Zetsu more important / more obviously responsible for Madara turning against Konoha is probably the best way to make the Kaguya reveal better. Along with, you know, having Team 7 actually beat Madara and then having Black Zetsu steal their victory for his own ends, rather than him preventing them from even getting a real fight in.
To be Honest if Kaguya were to be Fixed as NCHammer23 wants it to be I think it would be a Lot Better because then she would probably seem Imposing and Revered a Likable Character if you will.
@@devilgod4552 Lmao for real, Imagine them dropping gems and hints here and there around pain arc or a bit prior and after about Hagoromo/Hamura and their so called Rabbit Goddess mother Kaguya, based on the kind of information they slightly or BOLDLY dropped we would’ve easily been able to AT-LEAST acknowledge the fact that she MIGHT appear later down the line. It was so surprising when she appeared that even after Hagoromo explaining her existence to Naru/Sasu I still didn’t even think about the possibility of her being resurrected. People complain about Zetsu being “not important enough” yet forget that he’s always been just THERE lurking in the shadows and never knew about exactly what he was and where he stem’d from let alone him/Madara’s connection to each other until Madara is revived. Everyone was manipulated but the second Madara was it became bad writing for people, Why.. because he was extremely powerful? So was Obito, so was Sasuke and he was manipulated by his own blood, Zetsu waited for the moment Madara had obtained the exact amount of power and resources needed to revive Kaguya and betrayed him at the right moment, just before any battle could take place that lands Madara in a situation where he could possibly lose. (whilst not highly likely still feasible)
All they had to do was have black zetsu skirmish briefly with Madara. That would've show us that black zetsu was hiding his true ability, THEN sneak him. I would have accepted that. We can only speculate that black zetsu was strong enough to sneak Madara but nothing in the story shows that he had any level of strength. Maybe a brief dialogue like, "aha! because of my haxed ability, you can't hurt me!"
Even if you dont want black zetsu to be that powerful in and of himself the. Yiu can easily have him take over someone and make them more powerful such as Hashirama
Kaguya is a cultural problem. Zetsu betraying Madara has been planned since the end of Naruto Part 1. After Naruto's first fight against Sasuke in the Valley of the End (chapters 233 and 234) Sasuke has a reaction similar to that of Hashirama (chapters 626 and 681) to the fact that Zetsu is watching them and Kakashi says in these chapters to how similar Naruto and Sasuke's story is to Hashirama and Madara's story. This is a foreshadowing of the fact that Zetsu manipulates the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura in the shadows. The cultural problem here is the fact that since his first appearance Black Zetsu speaks in katakana (the Japanese speak in 3 languages: hiragana, katakana and kanji). Everyone in Naruto speaks in hiragana except black Zetsu who speaks in katakana. When the Divine Tree (Kaguya) tells Madara to absorb it (after his fight against Gai) the dialogue is written in katakana, it is a foreshadowing on the fact that Black Zetsu has been his will all along (this is why the revelation comes out of nowhere when we see it in translated version). As you can imagine, this is a detail that the Japanese noticed and which was ignored during the translation.
@@hc.117 to be honest ive been trying to explain stuff like this to people for the longest time and they just tell me im coping and that Naruto is trash. It doesn’t help when you have people like Nick spreading misinformation half the time and claiming ‘he knows Naruto inside and out’ while actively not reading into stuff and calling them plotholes
@malachirees-morny8662 Don't feel bad because of these idiots. Their opinions are worthless. The most important thing is the fact that we know that they are idiots and that we can help people who are worth it as best as we can against liars like this guy.
@malachirees-morny8662 Don't feel bad because of them. Their opinions are worthless. The most important thing is the fact that we know that they are worthless and that we can help people who are worth it as best as we can against liars like this guy.
I really love your videos when you invent your own content and let yourself be a dreamer. Even more than I enjoy the theory crafting. I would love to see you write your own make believe ninja
Hearing this and having this retrospection on the story of Naruto kinda did what it you wrote it to fix. I had no problem with the story and how it happened but this made me appreciate it more and gave possible context that I can agree with. I feel like if more people saw this and thought about it more there would be less resentment and more understanding towards that conclusion... I think.
Not gonna lie.. would be hype for Shibai to show up at the end only for kaguya to emerge from secret karma marking behind Sakura seal of hundred then with her newfound body and strength of hundred seal she just bust a hole through Shiba too😂😂 and be like I waited an entire sequel to get rhis power and she becomes the new top dog that both boruto and himawari have to take down
I would love a fanfic with this spin to it. 1000% Fixes and enhances the story. Also, a few more missions like Wave before the Chunin Exams would solidify Team 7's relationships early on and allow for some growth for the rest of the cast that isn't Naruto and Sasuke
I disagree people main issue is they felt as madara got hoed in general and was a sacrificial lamb for an under whelming villan . The easiest way to fix it would be was to show black zetsu fusing into madara as a karma mark as forshadowing for the boruto series. Madara having a big battle against naruto / sauske / 8 gates guy , double kamui kakashi as obito hands him his eyes telling him to avenge rin being that madara was behind her death and he know he’s passed redemption but asked his old friend for one last favor . This fight gets animated on the same lvl as momoshiki vs naruto / sauske quailty and might guy dies at the end telling kakshi he was his best friend and to take care of the next gen so kids wouldn’t have to grow up like orphans like them . Sakura role would be to be the anchor and give guy 100 healings extending his time even though his fate is set to see this through . The conclusion naruto and sauske end up sealing madara the rest of the story plays out the same . Then reinforce boruto karma lore the extraction of kaguya dna will take over madara well before boruto era and if they want to use her at play later either to be a villan in boruto tbv or a food for the shinju to evolve and getting higher sentients it’s perfectly set up . I don’t disagree on things you suggested like having the great toad reference hagoromo while naruto has sage mode training or even give black zetsu have a bunch if one liner that serve as forshadowing . But the promblem is NHC hammer not genuially understanding kaguya had no aura or personality so the fact madara got killed off for that Reguardless of the forshadowing people won’t like at all .
Nothing was wrong with Naruto’s ending. The whole story was someone puppeteering someone else to gain something. And that’s what happened. The first sign of this was orochimaru using the sound 5, him attacking the village. His curse mark. Him using the akatsuki. You shouldn’t need the main villain to be introduced in the beginning of the story bc. The foreshadowing and motive have always been there. Also it’s obvious from how the story went black zesty did everything you said he should have did. Black zetsu played the part of a karma marking. He revived kaguya. He just kept the truth of the plan to himself.
But there is something wrong with the ending, and that ending is reason why boruto isn't successful with their sales and their sub-par plot, it felt unpredictable and didn't do it in a good way. Those points you brought up would not be enough to foreshadow the main mastermind motive of the story. That's just reaching for conclusions of the story and adds little to no benefit. Karma markings may have related roles but it's not identical at all, I don't really see what's so obvious about that, the ending wasn't well executed and what it's done it's done.
@@victorn2555 Bluetooth isn’t doing well because of the fan base that can’t move pat the old. To hung up on Naruto to realize he’s not the main character anymore.
Kaguya is a cultural problem. Zetsu betraying Madara has been planned since the end of Naruto Part 1. After Naruto's first fight against Sasuke in the Valley of the End (chapters 233 and 234) Sasuke has a reaction similar to that of Hashirama (chapters 626 and 681) to the fact that Zetsu is watching them and Kakashi says in these chapters to how similar Naruto and Sasuke's story is to Hashirama and Madara's story. This is a foreshadowing of the fact that Zetsu manipulates the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura in the shadows. The cultural problem here is the fact that since his first appearance Black Zetsu speaks in katakana (the Japanese speak in 3 languages: hiragana, katakana and kanji). Everyone in Naruto speaks in hiragana except black Zetsu who speaks in katakana. When the Divine Tree (Kaguya) tells Madara to absorb it (after his fight against Gai) the dialogue is written in katakana, it is a foreshadowing on the fact that Black Zetsu has been his will all along (this is why the revelation comes out of nowhere when we see it in translated version). As you can imagine, this is a detail that the Japanese noticed and which was ignored during the translation.
I have all kinds of ideas of how I would change Naruto, but I think it's important to keep in mind that this was a serialized story. The author probably didn't know exactly where he was going or how he was going to get there, but when the publishers said "give us x more", he tried. Working with hindsight is so much easier
If i had to fix kaguya i would’ve made it where there was already i scientist or doctor ninja who studied space so he could kind of predict kaguya in like the first or second episode but in a way where we wouldn’t really notice
I worked on a reimagining of the Naruto story for three years, and the ideas you presented in this video are a superb solution to the most problematic issue in the series!
Mmmm okay Nick I see you, Thank you for making the intro Shorter 😊. Video starts 4:16 but honestly its actually bearable to watch through the intro now
8:42 and once a year he teleports into your village, and if you've been a good Shinobi he will leave you ninjutsu scrolls. And if you've been bad he will seal you inside of the nine tails. So be good children.😂
I like it, some tweeking would probably need to be done. Kaguya having more personality would also help. I think she would have been better received if she'd had a bombastic personality, maybe actively scolding the main cast like they were her children, showing them how to properly use their powers. Really make her a character instead of a puppet of black zetsu so it didn't feel like we exchanged the most interesting villain for a blank slate.
Now I would love for you to fix the entirety of boruto and Naruto with adding the filler arcs and movies an even games they have original content into Cannon. And I would love for this to become a what if series that you do.
I would have had Kaguya only foreshadowed in Naruto Shippuden and the Last. Similar to your version Black Zetsu would try to take advantage of the wounded Madara whispering ominously about his lady and the plan reaching its fruition at long last. However in response Madara masters the last of his strength to obliterate Zetsu. Sasuke would still go on a journey to learn more about that mysterious mastermind but we wouldn't actually see an Otsotsuki in the flesh untill the Last. This way we know that such entities exist and learn more about Kaguya including her imprisonment in the moon. This leaves us with an interesting role for Kaguya in Boruto, that of a Chekov's gun as the heroes would face more and more aliens while grappling with the idea of releasing Kaguya and forming an alliance against her people.
Yeah. Kaguya didn’t need go be squeezed in here. I felt like she cut off the final act of Madara too soon. I wanted to be scared of him longer. She needed to be in a movie. Then adapted in Boruto & then I feel Boruto can continue as usual.
Damn you my dude. The exposition dump about the sharingan, the tailed beasts, and byakugan would have made things so much better and now ill never see the series the same with that mindset. 😭
Bruh. Naruto was created during a time when people in the west were just watching the series on top of that the internet was on the more primitive side. There weren’t as many people with enough knowledge and understanding of eastern cultures. There’s at least two hints that Kaguya was going to be the final villain those being Nagato mentioning the moon being created, and it being stated the Gedo Statue was summoned from the moon. The Gedo Statue itself is a hint being it sits in a flower which is a reference to Kaguya. As people who aren’t apart of the culture that Kishimoto derived his influence from of course we wouldn’t notice the hints, and think it’s bad story telling. I only know this stuff because even I had it told to me and so far only one person I’ve ever seen make the connections I just mentioned.
I think if Kaguya would have descended from the moon and started breast-feeding Naruto and Sasuke the manga would have sold out but APARRENTLY that's too "mature" for some people. psshhh.
5:59 That is exactly what seven deadly sins did. People had powers of the demons but we never saw a true demon. If feel like madara could have been put into a similar situation
I need a new Naruto series where it takes place after the ninja war and all of the konoha 12 have a team to teach. Including sasuke. But not hidden leaf students for sasuke but some left over from orochimaru.
I still say the best 2 times to introduce the Otsuski is while Naruto is while he was learning Sage mode and/ or directly after Pain Arc with the introduction of the Rinnegan.
You know what I found weird? Kaguya existed 2000 years before naruto right? But for some reason no one knew about her or anything before she appeared. But here in the real world, 2000 years ago is the height of the Roman empire. And we know everything about that. So why doesn't the Shinobi world know about kaguya?
Tonton having more screentime than Black Zetsu had me on the floor Ps the first time they mention Kaguya is when they talk about Kimimaru. He is from the Kaguya Clan, he has the basic/weakest version Ash Bone Rods. when you look at his Clan, you'll see the resembles they have to Kaguya and thier attire looking very simillar to the Clan that found her whrn she landed.
for more than a year now, I have had some ideas about rewriting Naruto (inspired by the dygoKnight series mainly) and I would totally change the identity of black Zetsu and scrap Kaguya from the story. Maybe I will start on this project some time soon :D
After watching this video, i feel like borutos story is going to get even better by time and some foreshadowings done already in the show to be revealed
Og Naruto mentioned a Kaguya clan when they introduced Kimimaro and he looked like he could've been almost part otsutski. Too bad they didn't expand earlier.
Even more mysteriously, just a little Zhuanzinstory about a little bird that thinks bigger birds are a myth because why waste time flying high in the sky across lakes rather than just bush to bush like little birds in their small world do.
A good way to start fixing Kaguya, would be to have the entity that Hidan was worshiping be Kaguya. This would show that she has incredible power and can possibly even grant immortality.
Speaking as someone who tried to be looking behind smoke and mirrors when zetsue was introduce I felt there was more to him than met the eye as there was no way a organisation like the Akatsuki would have someone as weak as zetsu and obtito appeared to be as members, so I thought that they were the ones pulling the strings and obitios was told I felt that it was zetsu was pulling the strings
It would change the ending Chibaku tensei scene a little bit, where Sasuke specifically attacks black zetsu to ensure he doesn't plot Kaguya's return again. See, once Kaguuya would've reincarnated using Madara's karma, Black zetsu (Being Kaguya's Karma vessel) should disappear, as all karma marks disappear when OHtsutsuki reincarnate. So Zetsu would've died as soon as Kaguya comes back.
Dang, crazy that the trick to making Kaguya a better villain to introduce is by handing Hagoromo’s character writing like that of the First Spinjitzu Master in friggin Ninjago.😆
This is an interesting thought experiment. I can’t help but wonder if this is a wish fulfillment with the purpose of proving that we could have figured out the plot twist. If the thought process is, how could this have been better? The only major thing I would’ve changed is black Zetsu in charge of Obito. Then Blue could slowly give out clues that would’ve formed the story better
Ngl if close to the end of boruto maybe during the shibi fight idk how but I think it would be pretty cool if boruto was able to unceal and confidence kaguya to help them battle shibi as that would give them an even bigger power boost
Can I make 1 alteration... night guy is about to die, after killing madera, and madera at the hight of his power is laughing about his down fall, then black zetsu plunges his hand into madera, and says "you have been a very good boy might guy, now I grant you life, as a reward".
Bro really said "I can fix her" 😭
nobody can:(
😂
Lmfaoo bruh! 😭😂
😂
Dont save her she dont wanna be saved
so basically if kaguya was actually a thought in kishimotos mind at any point before the war arc we wouldnt be having this problem lol
He had thought about it in 5 kaga sumit arc when Obito mention the cycle of hate between Asura and indra,
Just people unable to predicted it , which is actually good
Exactly
Kaguya is a cultural problem. Zetsu betraying Madara has been planned since the end of Naruto Part 1. After Naruto's first fight against Sasuke in the Valley of the End (chapters 233 and 234) Sasuke has a reaction similar to that of Hashirama (chapters 626 and 681) to the fact that Zetsu is watching them and Kakashi says in these chapters to how similar Naruto and Sasuke's story is to Hashirama and Madara's story. This is a foreshadowing of the fact that Zetsu manipulates the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura in the shadows.
The cultural problem here is the fact that since his first appearance Black Zetsu speaks in katakana (the Japanese speak in 3 languages: hiragana, katakana and kanji). Everyone in Naruto speaks in hiragana except black Zetsu who speaks in katakana. When the Divine Tree (Kaguya) tells Madara to absorb it (after his fight against Gai) the dialogue is written in katakana, it is a foreshadowing on the fact that Black Zetsu has been his will all along (this is why the revelation comes out of nowhere when we see it in translated version). As you can imagine, this is a detail that the Japanese noticed and which was ignored during the translation.
The ten tails is mentioned a few times.
How to fix Kaguya? save her for the The Last movie as the final villain. There are already too many controlled puppet enemies in the main series. Madara controlled Obito, Obito controlled Nagato and then it turns out that Madara is controlled by Zetsu and it also turns out that Black Zetsu is controlled by Kaguya. Please, give us a break...
It’s one of Naruto main themes that shinobi are tools
@@stormslasher9471yes and the best way to finish off that theme is to show that all of the shinobi world was in fact controlled by a alien..... Really does wonders to how that theme is connected to human condition.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlYour take is so shallow. How does it being an Alien change the theme? If anything it adds to theme it’s “Inhumane” to use a person as a tool. Hence an Alien
Kishimoto was being manipulated by the hope that someone being manipulated in a story will sound original every time it's done.
@@Jay_SGE
Because it's a bit... Much. At least in my opinion.
Like If Black Zetsu just altered the Uchiha shrine and watched as everyone played into his hands that would've been cool. Manipulating half of the shows events takes the theme too far and into the absurd. Especially since Kaguya's dealt with so relatively quickly.
I don't know about adding Black Zetsu earlier in the series, the reason why Zetsu told Madara, he is a manifestation of his will was because Madara doesn't trust people outside of himself, also works in Zetsu's favor.
If Zetsu kept advising madara as a separate thinking entity, Madara would also think of NOT trusting him and question his intentions. He was able to back stab Madara because Madara thought he was just his will.
I agree with you that zetsu needed more screen time to explain his backstory.
In this situation, at some point Madara should trust Black Zetsu. This gives BZ the ability to backstab Madara
@@appleboss9742 Madara barely trusted Obtio to resurect him (and he was right), and place a seal on his heart. Honestly, I think Madara would've just ended up using black Zestu to use Nagato to resurrect him. If Black Zetsu became a separate entity 100% madara would've made plans to betray him as well...which thinking about would be kind of interesting outside of the line of backstabbing.
Kaguya is a cultural problem. Zetsu betraying Madara has been planned since the end of Naruto Part 1. After Naruto's first fight against Sasuke in the Valley of the End (chapters 233 and 234) Sasuke has a reaction similar to that of Hashirama (chapters 626 and 681) to the fact that Zetsu is watching them and Kakashi says in these chapters to how similar Naruto and Sasuke's story is to Hashirama and Madara's story. This is a foreshadowing of the fact that Zetsu manipulates the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura in the shadows.
The cultural problem here is the fact that since his first appearance Black Zetsu speaks in katakana (the Japanese speak in 3 languages: hiragana, katakana and kanji). Everyone in Naruto speaks in hiragana except black Zetsu who speaks in katakana. When the Divine Tree (Kaguya) tells Madara to absorb it (after his fight against Gai) the dialogue is written in katakana, it is a foreshadowing on the fact that Black Zetsu has been his will all along (this is why the revelation comes out of nowhere when we see it in translated version). As you can imagine, this is a detail that the Japanese noticed and which was ignored during the translation.
@@hc.117 In that case I think only the end of this video is needed. Madara gets his time to shine and Zetsu transforms him to Kaguya when he sees that he can't win against team seven.
Here's my gripe with Nick's introducing of Hagoromo to young Sasuke: *Sasuke awakened the Sharingan AFTER his clan died.* It was just minutes after seeing the corpses of his parents that his Sharingan activated for the first time.
Instead of Sasuke awakening the Sharingan and having his father explain the origin of it afterward, let Sasuke have a flashback to the day Itachi threatened the Uchiha clan after Shisui's death. Extend the same flashback he had in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, where Itachi's Mangekyo was revealed. As Itachi stares at Sasuke with his Mangekyo, Itachi grimaces before hanging his head and covering his eyes with his hand. Sasuke notes that his brother looks like he's in a lot of pain.
That night, Sasuke and Fugaku are in Sasuke's room. (Normally, Fugaku would talk with Itachi before bed, and Sasuke wonders why his father wasn't with his brother. Canonically, Fugaku and Itachi's relationship were strained at this time due to the tension between Itachi and the clan.)
Sasuke: "Father, does your Sharingan hurt you, too?"
Fugaku: "Yes, sometimes it does. But it's a price to access its power."
Sasuke: _Sasuke touches under his own eye in contemplation. He suddenly feels the smallest amount of nervousness about awakening his Sharingan._ "But if it hurts, why do we pride ourselves of these eyes?"
And THEN Fugaku explains the mythical origin of the Sharingan and introduces the Sage of Six Paths to the audience.
Imma say it, Madara’s plan was stupid and relied on convenience for it to work. Obito had no reason, wasn’t going, and had no intention of reviving Madara. He put his plan in the hands of someone who hated him and was going to let him stay dead. He also would’ve gotten revived as a old as man even if it did work
Kishimoto really fumbled huh
Nah. Black Zetsu ensured it worked by manipulating Kabuto to do it.
why're you saying that like it's a super hot take , nick has said those exact same words so many times lmao
Obito had a reason. He believed the inscriptions in the Uchiha stone that Kuro Zetsu altered/created would lead to his dream world. That just lead to Madaras betrayal, which didnt last long as Kaguya/Kuro Zetsu or whatever pretty much took over instantly
@@REINSTEINX3 idk 🤷🏿♂️
I'd have Guy actually finish off Madara with the Night Guy, and then, when Madara is incredibly weakened, Kaguya is able to take control of his weakened body. I still think Kaguya coming out of Madara makes sense, because it was explained that Kaguya herself was essentially the Ten Tails, as she became the Ten Tails after combining with the God Tree, (sometime after giving birth to Hagoromo and Hamura), which would technically mean that its Kaguya herself who's sealed inside of Madara. After Guy's sacrifice, (yes, actual sacrifice), to defeat Madara, Team 7 can take down Kaguya in the final battle.
Zetsus Chakra was needed because he is connected to Kaguyas personal Chakra signiture that was sealed in the moon.
Zetsu is like a failed karma marking basically he was able to inject his Chakra into madara and that's how Kaguya was able to transport herself out of the moon she was sealed in from hagaromo and hamura
Same thought just have might guy get the bad ass apex Chad sacrifice then have her show up
How did Madara read "combineing Senju and Uchiha power" and the did not thought of marrying a Senju, so he could get a powerful child.
He was just too proud. Conceiving a child with someone outside of the Uchiha clan would be impossible for him.
He also wants to be powerful himself.
He is gay duh
I'm sure he considered it. But unfortunately Hashirama is a man 😂
I'm pretty sure he already tried it and saw it fail. At least three times
Because that was added late in the story. So the choice was to either retcon it somehow, or just ignore it and hope nobody would ask that question.
While initially unlikely, integrating the Otsutsuki concept into Naruto early on could have been feasible. But it unreal to think Kishimoto could planned that way before as he wasn't going with that story line in the early naruto. However, its introduction during the war arc could have been executed effectively. Kaguya's storyline could have been saved for Boruto, with Naruto focusing on Hagoromo and Hamura's narratives. Introducing Hagoromo during the Pain arc has already laid a foundation of shinobi God. With black zetsu fusing into madara as karma mark before madara was sealed by team 7 as foreshadowing for the boruto series; marks the end of war arc.
The following three-year time skip could unveil Hamura's descendant, Toneri, as the ultimate foe, accompanied by Sasuke's redemption arc. Sasuke's development, including his bond with Sakura and admiration for Naruto and Kakashi, would deepen. His hyperventilation while searching for Sakura in battle and self-sacrifice for Naruto would highlight his growth. A final battle between Sasuke, Naruto, and toneri, followed by glimpses of the next generation's future, would conclude Naruto's story.
Boruto's prologue would feature Naruto and Sasuke battling a resurrected Kaguya through the medium of sealed karma marked madara, setting the stage for the Boruto series, ensuring both series retain their distinct identities.
Nodody:
NCHammer: I can fix her !
I'd only show relics of Kaguya and her influence
It's fairly easy to fix. Have Hagoromo tell Naruto and Sasuke that Madara is mistaken and that bringing back the tree will release Kaguya, and that Kaguya is completely insane (insert flashback three-part episode here). Get rid of the reincarnation crap and the Black Zetsu manipulating everyone stupidity and just make it that bringing back the 10 tails will inevitably bring back the Mad Moon Goddess Kaguya. Hagoromo is connected to all chakra, so he's seen everything that has happened. He chooses Naruto and Sasuke to stop her because they REMIND him of his children both in terms of power and personality.....not because they ARE his children. (This maintains the hardwork vs destiny dichotomy because it was their actions that brought the there, not fate). They can try to stop Madara (who should NOT have been the final boss, but that's for another time) by telling him the truth. He wouldn't believe them because he's an ass and then he slowly gets taken over.
When Kaguya comes back, she just a mindless monster spouting off random stuff that doesn't make a lick of sense (until Boruto) and make it clear that she is imagining that Naruto and Sasuke are her children, Kakashi is her husband and Sakura is either a younger her, some Otsutsuki that we don't know or a third child that we saw in the flashback episodes (spoilers for OC, THAT is the progenitor of the Uzumaki Clan). This gives everyone a place in the fight and makes Sakura look a tiny bit better pre-Boruto (cause she can use the glow up). You can keep pretty much everything the same without nerfing the final boss by making him a pawn and he gets a suitable comeuppance by being perma-sealed into a madperson for all of eternity in his own personal hell aka....a infinite tsukuyomi.
So you want kaguya to be this generic mindless monster of a villain?
Actually I agree with them not being a reincarnation of Indra and ashura hagoromo choose Naruto and Sasuke because they are Naruto and Sasuke in the current time period they are the strongest Shinobi so he giving his power to them will be a icing on the cake to defeat Madara , just like Naruto and Sasuke not being reincarnation of Indra and ashura, Hashirama and Madara is also not hagoromo’s sons reincarnation you can say that living in the period where a newborn baby is thrown into the battlefield to fight makes them 2 strongest shinobi which people started to call Hashirama the god of shinobi
This is what happens when you're in the middle of a story you dont want to end, so you tack on something wild that expands the universe.
More you're near the end of the story and the editor wants sequel bait, and you panic instead of realizing oh wait our world has other continents, so I don't need to make Kaguya an alien, or expand the power scale beyond this one up of the most powerful person ever.
At this point i think nick is obsessed with kaguya😂
I personally wish the Rinnegan wasn't an upgrade to the Sharingan, and Madara had another way to revive himself. Maybe Madara had a different plan that he already laid the groundwork for long before Obito came into the picture, and he only told Obito said plan so he could oversee that everything works out. Obito would make his own plans involving the Rinnegan when he discovers Nagato's abilities. The idea here being that Madara's plan was already primed for success, and Obito can do more scheming than just following Madara's plan.
Other than that, I actually love this alteration... particularly how Naruto has to learn Hagaromo is a hero, since that would change his perception on Kurama and make it feel more grounded for Kurama to decide to help Naruto.
Next, you need to make a video fixing Hinata & Neji story! 🙏
Honestly, aside from how avoidable Neji's death was, I think it did what it was supposed to do. Neji's story was loathing being part of the side branch and effectively being an enslaved pawn for the main family, expected to die to protect the cousin he barely cared about. And when the time finally came, he deliberately chose to die to protect her, out of genuine love, rather than out of coercion or even necessarily duty.
Of course, that doesn't mean that there's no possible way it could have been better than what we got, so don't let me stop people from suggesting cool changes. I just don't see it as fundamentally broken to begin with, is all.
@@riluna3695To me a better ending would ve been Hiashi dieing protecting Neji. Hizashi died protecting his brother, Neji's dad. Then, years later, Hiashi would die protecting his son.
@@taylor.river7 That has some poeticism to it as well. A main family member sacrificing themselves for a branch family member. A nice reversal to show the beginnings of change in the Hyuga family, respecting everyone instead of just the heir. I approve :D
@@riluna3695But if you want the narrative of Neji choosing to sacrifice himself, there is alwyes the Pain arc.
Like, he sees Naruto and/or Hinata loseing and goes to the battle field to help and have him die there. Since, he would return later, like Kakashi (without the sea mightl), after Nagato uses rinne rebirth.
It's not like Hinata's confession there led to anything happeing between them. Also, Naruto and Neji have history because of their fight during the chunnin exams.
@@riluna3695For Hinata, there is so many options.
She could learn medical ninjutsu with Tsunade and Shizune, along side Sakura and Ino. 🤗
Or learn Genjutsu from Kurenai. She has the chakra control for it.
Plus, I would love to have seen her and Rock Lee interect some more. Like, he is also a taijutsu user and practices with Neji, a lot so...
Plus the contrasts in their personalities would intresting to see. Would be great to see a male/female friendship that does not led to romance.
Nick: I fixed Kaguya
Okay, now fix Sasuke entirely
Boruto's story more or less did that.
Why Sasuke is perfect
@@hallihallo The most deluded comment yet
Nick is the Reincarnation of Tenji
💀😂
It's not fair! It should've been me!!!
The thing about separating the Rinnegan between 2 people is that Rinnegan's vision is linked. So Nagato would be seeing all of Obito's dirty little secrets.
I really like how you made the information that we got at the last second and made it so that they came earlier on. I would’ve took it a step further, and more clear that black zetsu is Kaguya mind and not a separate person so when she comes in, she would actually have a personality
You know; I don't have an inherent problem with Black Zetsu killing Madara at his strongest; In a weird way I actually think thematically it makes the most sense. The only problem though; is that it's a sneak attack from behind.
As such; I would've loves to see that scene take a cue from Bleach when Gin betrays Aizen. Have it so instead of just randomly appearing; Black Zetsu comes up and stands right alongside Madara. You can even have him praise Madara openly; congratulating him about being the strongest in the world, and finish by saying something like "and that's exactly what she deserves".
Then when Madara pauses for the tiniest of seconds to ask "what do you mean?" it's only then that Black Zetsu turns around and shoves his hand right through Madara; and the whole conversation about Madara being blinded for power is now delivered by the person who controlled everything staring right into Madaras face.
Kaguya could have also been mentioned through kimimaro since he was a part of the "Kaguya clan"
Interestingly enough naruto kinda did seed the idea of the otsutsuki and kaguya as early back as the chunin exams. Remember during hinata and neji's battle kakashi was explaining their byakugan, he also mentions "the byakugan and sharingan are distantly related to each other". A line that didnt mean anything until kaguya showed up having both sharingan and byakugan and being the common ancestor of both the uchiha and hyuuga
Infact come to think about it, in hindsight its actually really weird that kakashi would even know that to begin with since kaguya and that whole connection was lost from history
That's a reach. Nothing about that suggests that there is a clan of extraterrestrial demigods planning to destroy the earth.
All it meant was that 1. as dojutsu from the same village, they're similar, and might possibly have similar origins or even a common ancestor. That's it.
@@meko98743 Yeah he's referring to the 'common ancestor' part, but in all honesty even an implied common ancestor of every dojutsu in the world definitely has 'demi-godlike' connotations...
😂😂😂
Nah
None of this or the Kaguya clan implies anything about the shared ancestor being an alien demigod, instead of just an early user of chakra whose children diverged from her.
I like what you did in this video but I’ll change one thing so that black Zetsu strikes after Might Guy nearly kills him and I’d make Guy dies after he opens the eight gate
Its werid, before i came into the community itself, when watching for thr first time i assumed Kaguya would be beloved as this ancient all powerful diety that the main characters had to fight, i was hyped.
Then i saw everyone shitting on her online cus madara wasn't the final villain.
I like it I love wen I can’t predict something most series are very predictable to me but this one caught me left field I actually loved it
Ngl I liked her too like I was just watching it I wasn't tryna deep dive into stuff . It was cool moment fr
Ivthink it's mostly how BS Madara's death was that makes people hate Kaguya.There wasn't much foreshadowing either.
Ijs who did people think hagoromo was speaking of as his mother, when Naruto and Sasuke where nearly killed by Madara on like the second night of the war arc 😂😂 c'mon now
@Qualltoxy
Kaguya is a cultural problem. Zetsu betraying Madara has been planned since the end of Naruto Part 1. After Naruto's first fight against Sasuke in the Valley of the End (chapters 233 and 234) Sasuke has a reaction similar to that of Hashirama (chapters 626 and 681) to the fact that Zetsu is watching them and Kakashi says in these chapters to how similar Naruto and Sasuke's story is to Hashirama and Madara's story. This is a foreshadowing of the fact that Zetsu manipulates the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura in the shadows.
The cultural problem here is the fact that since his first appearance Black Zetsu speaks in katakana (the Japanese speak in 3 languages: hiragana, katakana and kanji). Everyone in Naruto speaks in hiragana except black Zetsu who speaks in katakana. When the Divine Tree (Kaguya) tells Madara to absorb it (after his fight against Gai) the dialogue is written in katakana, it is a foreshadowing on the fact that Black Zetsu has been his will all along (this is why the revelation comes out of nowhere when we see it in translated version). As you can imagine, this is a detail that the Japanese noticed and which was ignored during the translation.
Fix sakura next some of my ideas is make her fall in love with sasuke during the series not before the series make her an orphan not like anyone gives a damn about them also you could make her a senju which would be really interesting and also definitely remove that ridiculous dialogue of her making fun of naruto about being an orphan
I would fix Sakura by making her a genjutsu specialist and giving her a cool genjutsu. Alot of ppl said that Sakura was useless during the child series. Hardly any of the other main characters used genjutsu so it would have made her stand out more and seem like more of a threat then a damsel in distress. It would also make the attraction to Sasuke make more sense in my opinion because he is one of the few characters that actually does use genjutsu so they would have that in common.
Read the manga. The anime destroy her character
In the kaguya arc opening kaguya has a great smile if she had just that much personality everything would have been forgiven
Zetsu did all that smile work
Yeah if she didn't immediately attack and instead opted to gaslight her children as the true villains, who were jealous of her power, she may have won by default.
This video was enlightening. I'm working on a similar plot thread in my own story, and your ideas on how to better handle Kaguya have put so many ideas in my head! More than Naruto content, this is why I come back again and again!
Yeah, seeding Hagoromo earlier and making Black Zetsu more important / more obviously responsible for Madara turning against Konoha is probably the best way to make the Kaguya reveal better.
Along with, you know, having Team 7 actually beat Madara and then having Black Zetsu steal their victory for his own ends, rather than him preventing them from even getting a real fight in.
This video felt less like a kaguya video but more like a rant about madara x hashirama's gay romance.
To be Honest if Kaguya were to be Fixed as NCHammer23 wants it to be I think it would be a Lot Better because then she would probably seem Imposing and Revered a Likable Character if you will.
No, the story would become predictable imo
@@devilgod4552 I humbly disagree and how?
@@devilgod4552 Lmao for real, Imagine them dropping gems and hints here and there around pain arc or a bit prior and after about Hagoromo/Hamura and their so called Rabbit Goddess mother Kaguya, based on the kind of information they slightly or BOLDLY dropped we would’ve easily been able to AT-LEAST acknowledge the fact that she MIGHT appear later down the line. It was so surprising when she appeared that even after Hagoromo explaining her existence to Naru/Sasu I still didn’t even think about the possibility of her being resurrected. People complain about Zetsu being “not important enough” yet forget that he’s always been just THERE lurking in the shadows and never knew about exactly what he was and where he stem’d from let alone him/Madara’s connection to each other until Madara is revived. Everyone was manipulated but the second Madara was it became bad writing for people, Why.. because he was extremely powerful? So was Obito, so was Sasuke and he was manipulated by his own blood, Zetsu waited for the moment Madara had obtained the exact amount of power and resources needed to revive Kaguya and betrayed him at the right moment, just before any battle could take place that lands Madara in a situation where he could possibly lose. (whilst not highly likely still feasible)
7:16 yeah but the only problem with his knowledge, is that it was manipulated by zetsu.
19:13 the truth stone could be interrupted by Pain’s attack on the village so we don’t learn too much.
You done a great job. You are so good at crafting stories. You should write your own short story I would read it.
“Less screen time than Ton Ton” SCREAMING 😂😂😂
All they had to do was have black zetsu skirmish briefly with Madara. That would've show us that black zetsu was hiding his true ability, THEN sneak him. I would have accepted that. We can only speculate that black zetsu was strong enough to sneak Madara but nothing in the story shows that he had any level of strength. Maybe a brief dialogue like, "aha! because of my haxed ability, you can't hurt me!"
Even if you dont want black zetsu to be that powerful in and of himself the. Yiu can easily have him take over someone and make them more powerful such as Hashirama
Kaguya is a cultural problem. Zetsu betraying Madara has been planned since the end of Naruto Part 1. After Naruto's first fight against Sasuke in the Valley of the End (chapters 233 and 234) Sasuke has a reaction similar to that of Hashirama (chapters 626 and 681) to the fact that Zetsu is watching them and Kakashi says in these chapters to how similar Naruto and Sasuke's story is to Hashirama and Madara's story. This is a foreshadowing of the fact that Zetsu manipulates the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura in the shadows.
The cultural problem here is the fact that since his first appearance Black Zetsu speaks in katakana (the Japanese speak in 3 languages: hiragana, katakana and kanji). Everyone in Naruto speaks in hiragana except black Zetsu who speaks in katakana. When the Divine Tree (Kaguya) tells Madara to absorb it (after his fight against Gai) the dialogue is written in katakana, it is a foreshadowing on the fact that Black Zetsu has been his will all along (this is why the revelation comes out of nowhere when we see it in translated version). As you can imagine, this is a detail that the Japanese noticed and which was ignored during the translation.
@@hc.117 to be honest ive been trying to explain stuff like this to people for the longest time and they just tell me im coping and that Naruto is trash. It doesn’t help when you have people like Nick spreading misinformation half the time and claiming ‘he knows Naruto inside and out’ while actively not reading into stuff and calling them plotholes
@malachirees-morny8662
Don't feel bad because of these idiots. Their opinions are worthless. The most important thing is the fact that we know that they are idiots and that we can help people who are worth it as best as we can against liars like this guy.
@malachirees-morny8662
Don't feel bad because of them. Their opinions are worthless. The most important thing is the fact that we know that they are worthless and that we can help people who are worth it as best as we can against liars like this guy.
I really love your videos when you invent your own content and let yourself be a dreamer. Even more than I enjoy the theory crafting.
I would love to see you write your own make believe ninja
Bro's pulling a dygonight👍
Hearing this and having this retrospection on the story of Naruto kinda did what it you wrote it to fix. I had no problem with the story and how it happened but this made me appreciate it more and gave possible context that I can agree with. I feel like if more people saw this and thought about it more there would be less resentment and more understanding towards that conclusion... I think.
This was an AMAZING way to reveal Kaguya. It cements the Uchiha, Senju, and Hyuga clans as the triad of power they were always meant to be.
Not gonna lie.. would be hype for Shibai to show up at the end only for kaguya to emerge from secret karma marking behind Sakura seal of hundred then with her newfound body and strength of hundred seal she just bust a hole through Shiba too😂😂 and be like I waited an entire sequel to get rhis power and she becomes the new top dog that both boruto and himawari have to take down
This sounds /SO/ good. It also gives some better character development to several important people. Love this.
I would love a fanfic with this spin to it. 1000% Fixes and enhances the story. Also, a few more missions like Wave before the Chunin Exams would solidify Team 7's relationships early on and allow for some growth for the rest of the cast that isn't Naruto and Sasuke
I disagree people main issue is they felt as madara got hoed in general and was a sacrificial lamb for an under whelming villan . The easiest way to fix it would be was to show black zetsu fusing into madara as a karma mark as forshadowing for the boruto series. Madara having a big battle against naruto / sauske / 8 gates guy , double kamui kakashi as obito hands him his eyes telling him to avenge rin being that madara was behind her death and he know he’s passed redemption but asked his old friend for one last favor . This fight gets animated on the same lvl as momoshiki vs naruto / sauske quailty and might guy dies at the end telling kakshi he was his best friend and to take care of the next gen so kids wouldn’t have to grow up like orphans like them .
Sakura role would be to be the anchor and give guy 100 healings extending his time even though his fate is set to see this through . The conclusion naruto and sauske end up sealing madara the rest of the story plays out the same . Then reinforce boruto karma lore the extraction of kaguya dna will take over madara well before boruto era and if they want to use her at play later either to be a villan in boruto tbv or a food for the shinju to evolve and getting higher sentients it’s perfectly set up . I don’t disagree on things you suggested like having the great toad reference hagoromo while naruto has sage mode training or even give black zetsu have a bunch if one liner that serve as forshadowing . But the promblem is NHC hammer not genuially understanding kaguya had no aura or personality so the fact madara got killed off for that Reguardless of the forshadowing people won’t like at all .
Nothing was wrong with Naruto’s ending. The whole story was someone puppeteering someone else to gain something. And that’s what happened. The first sign of this was orochimaru using the sound 5, him attacking the village. His curse mark. Him using the akatsuki. You shouldn’t need the main villain to be introduced in the beginning of the story bc. The foreshadowing and motive have always been there.
Also it’s obvious from how the story went black zesty did everything you said he should have did. Black zetsu played the part of a karma marking. He revived kaguya. He just kept the truth of the plan to himself.
But there is something wrong with the ending, and that ending is reason why boruto isn't successful with their sales and their sub-par plot, it felt unpredictable and didn't do it in a good way. Those points you brought up would not be enough to foreshadow the main mastermind motive of the story. That's just reaching for conclusions of the story and adds little to no benefit. Karma markings may have related roles but it's not identical at all, I don't really see what's so obvious about that, the ending wasn't well executed and what it's done it's done.
@@victorn2555 Bluetooth isn’t doing well because of the fan base that can’t move pat the old. To hung up on Naruto to realize he’s not the main character anymore.
@@victorn2555boruto is in top 4 sales lmao
❤ Awesome as always thanks
thank you for uploading at the time you do.. Its freaking PERFECT
Kaguya is a cultural problem. Zetsu betraying Madara has been planned since the end of Naruto Part 1. After Naruto's first fight against Sasuke in the Valley of the End (chapters 233 and 234) Sasuke has a reaction similar to that of Hashirama (chapters 626 and 681) to the fact that Zetsu is watching them and Kakashi says in these chapters to how similar Naruto and Sasuke's story is to Hashirama and Madara's story. This is a foreshadowing of the fact that Zetsu manipulates the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura in the shadows.
The cultural problem here is the fact that since his first appearance Black Zetsu speaks in katakana (the Japanese speak in 3 languages: hiragana, katakana and kanji). Everyone in Naruto speaks in hiragana except black Zetsu who speaks in katakana. When the Divine Tree (Kaguya) tells Madara to absorb it (after his fight against Gai) the dialogue is written in katakana, it is a foreshadowing on the fact that Black Zetsu has been his will all along (this is why the revelation comes out of nowhere when we see it in translated version). As you can imagine, this is a detail that the Japanese noticed and which was ignored during the translation.
that's insanely cool thank you for sharing
I have all kinds of ideas of how I would change Naruto, but I think it's important to keep in mind that this was a serialized story. The author probably didn't know exactly where he was going or how he was going to get there, but when the publishers said "give us x more", he tried. Working with hindsight is so much easier
But why would something that only an Ichiha be able to read, would Black Zetsu have the knowledge to tell Madara ??
Rewite the whole otsutsuki thing
Yeah we have other continents in the world we didn't need to jump that shark to alien demigods as their origin.
Short answer: Have guy kill Madara, die and then zetsu brings Kaguya from madara's corpse.
It would be resonant to Jigen dying and Ishiki's rising from his dead body. Good one
Maybe your best video. I want all this stuff drawn up manga style so I can physically insert it into my books
Well done sir. You have managed to make me like the Kaguya reveal. Something I long thought impossible
I would also add that her Karma marking should still be around. Neu could be the new embodiment of it and would be really cool.
If i had to fix kaguya i would’ve made it where there was already i scientist or doctor ninja who studied space so he could kind of predict kaguya in like the first or second episode but in a way where we wouldn’t really notice
Hindsight right. Its easy to change something in early episodes that will flush out the story when you know how the story ended.
Yeah pretty much.That's why marvel's Whatifs works. It bends to imagination of different outcomes from the same arc/storyline.
I worked on a reimagining of the Naruto story for three years, and the ideas you presented in this video are a superb solution to the most problematic issue in the series!
By chance do u have Nick's email address I have a video idea
I do not. Sorry :(@@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218
Not Nick making the story make sense😭
Mmmm okay Nick I see you, Thank you for making the intro Shorter 😊.
Video starts 4:16 but honestly its actually bearable to watch through the intro now
8:42 and once a year he teleports into your village, and if you've been a good Shinobi he will leave you ninjutsu scrolls. And if you've been bad he will seal you inside of the nine tails.
So be good children.😂
I like it, some tweeking would probably need to be done. Kaguya having more personality would also help. I think she would have been better received if she'd had a bombastic personality, maybe actively scolding the main cast like they were her children, showing them how to properly use their powers. Really make her a character instead of a puppet of black zetsu so it didn't feel like we exchanged the most interesting villain for a blank slate.
Now I would love for you to fix the entirety of boruto and Naruto with adding the filler arcs and movies an even games they have original content into Cannon.
And I would love for this to become a what if series that you do.
I would have had Kaguya only foreshadowed in Naruto Shippuden and the Last. Similar to your version Black Zetsu would try to take advantage of the wounded Madara whispering ominously about his lady and the plan reaching its fruition at long last. However in response Madara masters the last of his strength to obliterate Zetsu.
Sasuke would still go on a journey to learn more about that mysterious mastermind but we wouldn't actually see an Otsotsuki in the flesh untill the Last. This way we know that such entities exist and learn more about Kaguya including her imprisonment in the moon.
This leaves us with an interesting role for Kaguya in Boruto, that of a Chekov's gun as the heroes would face more and more aliens while grappling with the idea of releasing Kaguya and forming an alliance against her people.
Yeah. Kaguya didn’t need go be squeezed in here. I felt like she cut off the final act of Madara too soon. I wanted to be scared of him longer.
She needed to be in a movie. Then adapted in Boruto & then I feel Boruto can continue as usual.
Damn you my dude. The exposition dump about the sharingan, the tailed beasts, and byakugan would have made things so much better and now ill never see the series the same with that mindset. 😭
Bruh. Naruto was created during a time when people in the west were just watching the series on top of that the internet was on the more primitive side. There weren’t as many people with enough knowledge and understanding of eastern cultures. There’s at least two hints that Kaguya was going to be the final villain those being Nagato mentioning the moon being created, and it being stated the Gedo Statue was summoned from the moon. The Gedo Statue itself is a hint being it sits in a flower which is a reference to Kaguya. As people who aren’t apart of the culture that Kishimoto derived his influence from of course we wouldn’t notice the hints, and think it’s bad story telling. I only know this stuff because even I had it told to me and so far only one person I’ve ever seen make the connections I just mentioned.
@crimsonredkingdom2656 OK cool. I just thought his expo stuff would've been neat. Ain't that deep man, but I appreciate the passion you have.
DygoKnight must see this
I think if Kaguya would have descended from the moon and started breast-feeding Naruto and Sasuke the manga would have sold out but APARRENTLY that's too "mature" for some people.
psshhh.
Bizarre.
@@thallesalmeida5880 Honestly tho
@@ABunny666is kaguya in your top 5pretty naruto girls
@@ciplk1767 She IS the top 5. Lol
5:59 That is exactly what seven deadly sins did. People had powers of the demons but we never saw a true demon. If feel like madara could have been put into a similar situation
Calling ten ten, ton ton instead was one of the coldest things I've ever hears someone say
See, if that really is how kaguya pops in to boruto that would literally just be a "it's me Dio" moment.
im sure it needs more then one guy to fix kaguya. what?!
The war arc being two days also made me mad.
Yeah if it made like a month, a year that would have been pretty substantial. The Kaguya fight flashback had been three months nonstop.
I need a new Naruto series where it takes place after the ninja war and all of the konoha 12 have a team to teach. Including sasuke. But not hidden leaf students for sasuke but some left over from orochimaru.
I still say the best 2 times to introduce the Otsuski is while Naruto is while he was learning Sage mode and/ or directly after Pain Arc with the introduction of the Rinnegan.
You know what I found weird? Kaguya existed 2000 years before naruto right? But for some reason no one knew about her or anything before she appeared. But here in the real world, 2000 years ago is the height of the Roman empire. And we know everything about that. So why doesn't the Shinobi world know about kaguya?
Tonton having more screentime than Black Zetsu had me on the floor
Ps the first time they mention Kaguya is when they talk about Kimimaru. He is from the Kaguya Clan, he has the basic/weakest version Ash Bone Rods. when you look at his Clan, you'll see the resembles they have to Kaguya and thier attire looking very simillar to the Clan that found her whrn she landed.
for more than a year now, I have had some ideas about rewriting Naruto (inspired by the dygoKnight series mainly) and I would totally change the identity of black Zetsu and scrap Kaguya from the story. Maybe I will start on this project some time soon :D
Hope kaguya comes back
love watching your vids better than any podcast while playing fifa
You know eventually Kishimoto is gona hire you to write the stories right. Because I can't think of a better way to rewrite Narutos ending than that
After watching this video, i feel like borutos story is going to get even better by time and some foreshadowings done already in the show to be revealed
Og Naruto mentioned a Kaguya clan when they introduced Kimimaro and he looked like he could've been almost part otsutski. Too bad they didn't expand earlier.
Even more mysteriously, just a little Zhuanzinstory about a little bird that thinks bigger birds are a myth because why waste time flying high in the sky across lakes rather than just bush to bush like little birds in their small world do.
It'd be hilarious but Kaguya's confirmed to be dead already so Kishi would need an even bigger ass pull for that to happen
A good way to start fixing Kaguya, would be to have the entity that Hidan was worshiping be Kaguya. This would show that she has incredible power and can possibly even grant immortality.
Keep up the great work and videos Nick love the video
I think what would also been cool is if black zetsu forced Madara to use Rinne Rebirth to bring kaguya back
I feel like this video turned into a how would I fix Madara video 😄
This is now my head Canon.
Speaking as someone who tried to be looking behind smoke and mirrors when zetsue was introduce I felt there was more to him than met the eye as there was no way a organisation like the Akatsuki would have someone as weak as zetsu and obtito appeared to be as members, so I thought that they were the ones pulling the strings and obitios was told I felt that it was zetsu was pulling the strings
It would change the ending Chibaku tensei scene a little bit, where Sasuke specifically attacks black zetsu to ensure he doesn't plot Kaguya's return again.
See, once Kaguuya would've reincarnated using Madara's karma, Black zetsu (Being Kaguya's Karma vessel) should disappear, as all karma marks disappear when OHtsutsuki reincarnate.
So Zetsu would've died as soon as Kaguya comes back.
I thought you would bring Orochimaru into this scenario from his research with Curse Mark and even all his knowledge of the Sharigan
Dang, crazy that the trick to making Kaguya a better villain to introduce is by handing Hagoromo’s character writing like that of the First Spinjitzu Master in friggin Ninjago.😆
Now I want a Rewriting Naruto series from you
Neji’s death was the saddest imo. Especially because he died for no reason. And he was one of Naruto’s classmates so one of the youngest.
I’ve been waiting for this video. I don’t think I emailed the question, but I know I’ve left it as a comment on a video or short at some point.
This is an interesting thought experiment. I can’t help but wonder if this is a wish fulfillment with the purpose of proving that we could have figured out the plot twist. If the thought process is, how could this have been better? The only major thing I would’ve changed is black Zetsu in charge of Obito. Then Blue could slowly give out clues that would’ve formed the story better
Ngl if close to the end of boruto maybe during the shibi fight idk how but I think it would be pretty cool if boruto was able to unceal and confidence kaguya to help them battle shibi as that would give them an even bigger power boost
It's a good story, Nick. Too bad Kishimoto didn't know any of the history he'd create at the start of Naruto.
Can I make 1 alteration... night guy is about to die, after killing madera, and madera at the hight of his power is laughing about his down fall, then black zetsu plunges his hand into madera, and says "you have been a very good boy might guy, now I grant you life, as a reward".
Omg just wait until the manga comes out on April 20th