This took longer than expected but I'm pleased with the finished product. I will disappear again for a bit and work on another video that is even more interesting than this one. Let me know what you think about FromSoftware's approach to game development below.
Miyazaki and his team were quite productive these 10 years. Every year there are new projects. If you asked me about the main game of the decade, I would unconditionally say Dark souls. Imitators are now coming from all sides. Many in our maestro’s place would simply clip the same souls, but he manages to deepen his mechanics. What is the Sekiro combat worth? We are waiting for a new project like Sekiro, where progress was evident. For me, the ideal setting would be the age of piracy with the inherent dark atmosphere of souls games.
Dark Souls 1 - Gwyn links the First Flame in order to prolong the Age of Fire, an act so unnatural it causes the undead curse and screws up the flow of time in Lordran. Dark Souls 2 - You are undying, with time everything that you are will fade until nothing is left. You will be like Vendrick, an empty shell endlessly pacing a dark room. Dark Souls 3 - The cycles of Fire and Dark have been going on for so long the universe itself is tired and just wants it to end. Sekiro - Kuro is immortal and can share that immortality with others. He wants you to find a way to kill him because immortality is a curse. Elden Ring - The Elden Ring is shattered, the Golden Order is broken and can't be restored, it is futile to try. A major theme in all these works is that lingering on forever is unnatural, it's okay to just let go and move on.
That whole thing is kinda why I think Dark Souls wasn't intended to actually be a series in the beginning at all, and was meant to be a standalone game. It was what I got from DS3's narrative screaming at every opportunity that it didn't want to exist.
I would agree that the Ds series shoulda been cut early. Great games and all but the same bs story thru all 3 of them? With no change in direction at all?💤
Dark souls 2 was much more personal. You did nőt try to save the world át all. You were trying to cure youself só you dönt go hollow. Ds 3 i kind of agree its very much ds1 áll over again,
I no way am I opposed to a Bloodborne 2, heck I think even Dark Souls 4 would be a neat idea, but I deeply understand the lack of enthusiasm for sequeles on Miyazaki's part. Its not just that you have to make the sequel fit the 1st work, creating a sequel for something that originally had none would require the restructuring of the 1st work to fit the sequel (at least mentally): the sequel would add something that wasn't there before.
Releasing armoured core 6 after seeing elden ring's MONUMENTAL SUCCESS confirms one thing to me, the studio actually prioritizes making what they think is a good game. As long as they're true to their artistic vision, I don't care if we get dark souls 15 or get a new IP every year.
Creative burnout is a huge issue for a company that thrives in a field built on creativity. Makes sense for them to take long breaks between working on a sequel. Regardless of how that might be mildly upsetting to the consumer, it’s in their best interest.
I love the approach of telling a complete story and then moving on and making something fresh with no expectations. Bloodborne and Sekiro both explore their ideas to completion, and I think making a direct sequel to either would only cheapen the experience. Spiritual successors are much more interesting than direct sequels in the same world.
If to be honest,dark souls sticked to me so close, because you had a complete trilogy, and it always resrefhing when you beat one game to start it's sequels and it's always feels new
I didn't realize how much I appreciate companies that create new IP everytime until I discovered From Software. Ds2 and ds3 being the exception because Miyazaki wasn't in charge at that time, but other than that we had from 2009 to 2023 : Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Déraciné, Sekiro, Elden Ring, Armored Core, and probably a new IP in development still. I like the fact Miyazaki wants to move on to new universes, gameplays, everytime.
@@Childofbhaal that's not what I said, ds3 wasn't his choice, it was a command by Bandai Namco. They made a deal with the former From Software CEO to make 2 sequels.
Fromsoftware has become my top 3 developers ever. If it wasn't for them I don't think I'd be enjoying games as much as I currently do. Their influence has been felt massively in the industry. Some of my favorite games of all time like Hollow Knight would not exist without them. The souls games and Fromsoftware are hands down one of the most influential things to ever happen to the gaming industry and their impact will continue being felt for the next decade and beyond.
Right now bloodborne has an incredible amount of untapped potential. It has the best atmosphere I have ever seen in a video game. It’s hard fun satisfying and has a very interesting story. But it’s being held back by so many things. Like it being stuck in both the 30 fps and PlayStation jail. The chalice dungeons feeling horrible to play and in many ways not feeling like they belong at all with how Samy disconnected and unnecessarily cryptic they are. And of course the many inconsistencies like not being able to reset or travel between lamps at lamps and having to farm for healing and parrying. That’s why I’m Desperate for Fromsoft to do SOMETHING with bloodborne again. Sequel, prequel, remaster, remake, port a godamn update to uncap fps on ps5 Whatever just anything to tap that potential
Bloodborne would do well with a remaster, and a PC port along with that. Ds2 could use a remake. But I don't need either of these things to be done by fromsoft. I'd much rather have them focus their attention on a new IP or more dlc for Elden ring
FROMSOFT CAN'T DO ANYTHING with Bloodborne, as the IP hasn't ever belonged to them. They made the game FOR SONY, but Miyazaki's attitude about sequels rules the likelihood of their involvement in the IP's future out.
I hope they don’t change anything. That was miyazakis vision. It doesn’t need to be changed unless he decides to change it. I don’t want a Star Wars “special edition” here. Just the original game with better frame rate.
A sequel for Sekrio is like a dream come true, or even any game with the same combat mechanics-best combat mechanics ever- developed by From would be great.
You have to understand that unfortunately this game is rhythmic game, and most of players would not have issues in playing sekiro 2, because most of players just remember how to play to this rhythm.
I am really glad that they chose to not settle on one branch and try to inovate themselves into other avenues of gaming and taking a new spin to them. As they have said it themselves, elden ring was the culmination of the souls series as a whole as well as their entry point into the open world genre which proved to snowball into great success despite everything. Fingers crossed for their future projects.
then let me ask you this, what about final fantasy? you know the series with 16+ games that was in hot water because their last game wasnt "final fantasy enough"?
Miyazaki’s comments about his disinterest in sequels largely comes from making sequels to games which are already finished. It is my opinion that Elden Ring will have a sequel not just because of its success, but in Miyazaki predicting it’s success planning and imagining Elden Ring as a game which was built with a sequel in mind.
But what would a sequel be? You fix the Elden Ring by the end of the game, and unlike Dark Souls, the Shattering isn’t some annual event that happens forever.
@@nono-lz9qr I think we need to see how the DLC changes things before we say anything definitive. There are some story bits that could be better filled in with some kind of sequel, mainly the stuff involving Miquella. While I do think the Miquella stuff will be filled in with the DLC, there's no telling if the DLC will open up any further possibilities.
I don't think the perpetual ages of light and dark in the world of Dark Souls were ever meant to be cyclical. It is this inclusion into the franchise which is the focus of both sequels, and I think it is a brilliant examination on the effect of perpetual sequels as well. Dragging on forever until the original meaning is diluted and scattered as see in The Ringed City. I believe Elden Ring isn't a story entirely centered on the Elden Ring or the event of the Shattering. These events really seem to be a smokescreen for the true focus of the game. The influence of the various outer gods which inhabit and influence the Lands Between with their empyreans, their puppets, and their greater wills. The Tarnished like many other factions in Elden Ring are manipulated by outside forces to do the bidding of others hidden behind the scenes. The result of which has left the land scarred and beyond repair. Life and Death are at odds with each other and nature is completely out of balance as a result. These themes don't need to be carried out over an endless cycle. I think we can infer from the events of this game that a sequel would primarily revolve around fighting a battle we choose for ourselves against the forces of the outer gods. The story of the Lands between isn't over. We've just killed a God and now we will wait for the consequences.
@@manray5140 I suppose, but at the same time I feel those same talking points could be used to justify sequels to the other soul’s games. Bloodborne has multiple Great Ones who meddle in story. Most prominently would be Odeon, who impregnates the prostitute, the Moon Presence, who keeps the Hunter’s Dream going and keeps certain hunters immortal until their duty is done, as well as Kos, who curses all hunters to inevitably fall to blood-drunkenness. There’s also the lesser involved ones, who are more being used by the church. This would include Rom, Ebreitas, and the Mensis brain. It could be said that the Hunters are the ones caught in the middle, cleaning up after the Church and indirectly coming in contact with Great Ones, as seen in game with the PC. To a significantly lesser extant, you could say the same about Demon’s Souls and its Old One. Just because there are big players in the background doing things, doesn’t mean that there will be sequels tackling them. And while I WISH any of FromSoft’s stand-alone games would get a sequel, I heavily doubt any will. Truthfully, the only game I could see getting a sequel would be Sekiro, since it’s secret ending really sets the stage for another adventure, this one in Korea.
@@nono-lz9qr Sadly I was raised to be an xbox player so I haven't the privilege to fully enjoy those games. You bring up some mighty strong points however. I believe I'm banking on the financial success of Elden Ring as another piece of evidence for why this was a game intended for a sequel.
I wish they focused more on adventure, horror or dungeon crawlers since I love games like Echo Night Beyond, King's Field IV and the Shadow Tower duology.
Don't count it out man, I've been praying for a new AC game for what feels like a decade now, I too love Kings Field, Shadow Tower i liked more though, I really wouldn't be surprised if we got a new first person RPG from them one day. Might not be a KF or ST game, but I imagine it'll be a spiritual successor type thing if they ever do it.
This was really interesting to listen, great commentary. I'm glad Miyazaki and Fromsoftware are leading us into the future because they truly have a mature vision of video games and constantly push boundaries so we always get unique experiences, indeed. Sekiro was a game changer for me (my first Fromsoft game) and made me more curious than I've ever been about asian culture. I don't even feel like a need a sequel yet because I feel like there's still a lot left for me to discover after all these years. Each time I play the game I get a fresh experience because I have a better understanding of the lore and get new answers.
isnt armored core 6 a sequel though? how can people say they arent into making sequels when their last game was a literal sequel? also, for all the talks about miyazaki not wanting to make sequels. dark souls was a literal sequel to demon's souls. its just not called demon's souls 2.
I pray every day for a sekiro 2.. god damn that combat system was so amazing.. probably my favorite combat system of all time.... they could do a prequel where you play as isshin taking ashina over... that would be sick.. but no matter what they make, I will play it because fromsoft does not miss
@Jun-kun-iu4ls I'd be cool with that... never played tenchu but I've seen the gameplay and that would be cool with today's graphics and mechanics and stuff.
@@prysmer7923 I am aware of that. My point is that it's still a numbered sequel. I just don't want Armored Core to be killed right after being resurrected.
Armored Core is a special case in which is the exception to the rule. Armored Core was Miyazaki's first game when joining Fromsoftware, this game was 'Armored Core: Last Raven' which was not the first Armored Core but a spin off; this is important because it existed before he joined the company. It is not his creation but something that he added to.
@@prysmer7923Pretty much every numbered armored core game is a reboot or separate universe. So that's nothing new. 1, 2, 3, and 4 are all their own universes. 5 was the only one that was a sequel to 4.
I'm gonna be honest. I totally agree with you with everything you said... ...but as a heavy Souls fan... it deeply hurts not having a Sekiro DLC, a sequel, a Bloodborne Remastered and a sequel... 😭😭 I really hope Spellbound will at least fulfill my need of a Bloodborne 2... hoping that Spellbound is actually real... Also, apparently, a sequel for Elden Ring is in the works, since Miyazaki himself confirmed that there's still too much that he hasn't covered in terms of lore Or at least, that's what I understood...
I mean I think Miyazaki is saying “Elden ring is getting more than one dlc then we are done with it” Making new ip has worked out great for them, so I feel like if there are any loose ends they will add it as dlc, and as much as I want Elden ring 2 or blood borne 2 it is not happening
@@bruh7170 That sounds right, since it's stories (aside of Dark Souls having that potential of it's story being continued, but would only add and maybe elaborate on some stuff, like the Ringed City that ended up being the best DLC or second) have real conclusion and not an: The End? at the end of the final cutscene. Although Sekiro does have that Dragon Homecoming ending, so it's possible if they want to continue that story somehow.
You know, when Elden Ring came out I kept joking that it's just Dark Souls 4 with the names for all the stuff changed. Bonfire -> Grace. Estus -> Flask of Crimson Tears. You know. And it basically is, but having it set in a fresh new universe has allowed them to come up with fresh ideas and characters, and after spending time with the game, I find it all just as memorable and endearing as Dark Souls. So I do think it's good that they are not dwelling on the same IPs. Then we might be in a situation like Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed where they seem to get really stale. I don't play those games so I don't truly know, but it does seem like those franchises have gotten pretty stagnant.
It's so cool that FromSoft doesn't make sequels, they just keep pumping out new banger IPs like Armored Core, Armored Core 2, Armored Core 3, Armored Core 4, Armored Core 5, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3 and Armored Core 6. I especially like how they don't reuse their IP. Things like lore (the cycle of superficial dark and light where actually humanity is subject to an alien "god" no matter what is ONLY used in that one FromSoft game for example), characters (we all remember those unique one-off characters like Patches, and I think we can all agree they'd be less impactful if they'd been reused over and over in all of FromSoft's games), weapon designs (who can forget MOONLIGHT from Armored Core 3? I'm sure we all would if it were just a generic weapon in every FromSoft game), gameplay (we've been blessed with so many fresh and new paradigms thanks to FS's strict adherence to new IP; for example, the game where you have a dodge animation with s, stamina management, fighting enemies that are mostly larger than you, checkpoints you go back to when you die, but you drop a resource when you die and have to go back and get it but lose it forever if you die again first- that one was my favourite!) and so on, certainly never just copying established and well-known games from other developers like Capcom or Konami, and always making their own IP, like they did for their hit PSP title Monster Hunter Diary: Poka Poka Airou Village. Joking aside what is actually the point of this video
I don't think we really need a Bloodborne 2 or Sekiro 2 and I'm not sure how well that would work story-wise, especially for Bloodborne. But I desperately hope that we'll get spiritual successors that build on their combat systems, just like Elden Ring did for DS3. Imo they're the best melee combat systems they've created and it would be a shame if they didn't refine them further.
Hidetaka Miyazaki is the Kendrick Lamar of his genre no-one game/album is the same as the last each release is innovation every single time. and im here for it
Well said and best way to compare him tbh k dot was just the first k dot as opposed to the second coming of 2pac as many misunderstood. Miyazaki is just one of a kind in the gaming industry and am glad he is till successful
What kind of combat would you want? I'm trying to think of an example of FromSofts combat in first person but I can't. Kingdom Come is close but doesn't feel as fluid. It's hard to do sword combat in first person without it feeling like skyrim.
@@ryanvandoren1519 I.dont really know to be honest. I was fine with the basic kf combat. I do know it was clunky but it worked. Really I'd just like to see a new game in the series as I love all the kf games.
I like the one & done idea. Not everything needs a sequel. I'd be lying if I said people who beg for them don't drive me insane. That's how you end up with KH4 and Boruto.
But also ds3. Which is an incredible game despite being a sequel. The only game I really feel strongly that needs a sequel is Sekiro. The dragons homecoming has SO much potential, as well as the combat with maybe another weapon or dual swords or something. I think a sequel has a lot of potential and satisfation in regards to how the first ends. I see some people asking for bloodborn 2 sometimes, I guess that's why bloodbonre cart became a meme lol. I wouldn't be against that ether, the world has so much potential and the trick weapons make sure the combat stays fresh. There's beating a dead horse and then there's creating something special with something that has a lot of material left to work with.
I've heard some interesting ways they could do it, one however would of forced the take that the "baby great one" ending IS the canon ending as a main character in the game you'd interact with would of been the doll from the hunters dream who now held a familair scythe on her back and constantly guarded a baby carriage (presumably where the new baby great one would be). Of course that does create issues of how they got out of the hunters dream and if thats possible for the doll let alone a baby great one but- The easiest and simplest way they could continue it though could be that a member of the healing church smuggled the blood, or even somehow a baby great one or an essence of one out of Yharnam and into a new location. Could be for religious power, for money, etc. It would in the end start a new scourge of beasts which might attract great ones to the loctation making everthing worse for the people there, more violent and corrupt beasts since they'd all be coming from a healing church only mindset since none of the people there would know any other way like the choir. There are the issues of course of where would a hub be and how could it work this time since the reason we could die and come back was because of the hunters dream, they could remake it with different great ones and system or make it much more interesting by making your character a vileblood, since they were in a way immortal, explaining now why the new townsmen would hunt you alongside all the new beasts as well since the church and vilebloods were rivals. More issues to think about with all of that, but simple ideas!
12:29 You say we may not have gotten Bloodborne, Sekiro, and Elden Ring if FromSoftware always would’ve just made Dark Souls games, but we got Elden Ring, which means except for Bloodborne and Sekiro (where you’re right), Elden Ring could’ve just been Dark Souls 4 because it is just Dark Souls 4 in disguise of a new IP. Elden Ring would’ve definitely still been possible had they never made Bloodborne or Sekiro, ending up being the next game releasing after Dark Souls 3. Had Elden Ring been a new original experience like Miyazaki says he always wants to make, it would’ve differentiated itself enough from Dark Souls to know that the real Elden Ring game Elden Ring had the potential to be (but didn’t in the end) wouldn’t be possible if they had just continued making Dark Souls games.
When I say I want bloodborne 2, its not that I actually want a continuation of the plot (because, what plot? Its more this huge nightmarish painting that youre walking through). I dont even need it to be set in the same world. I just want miyazaki to do more victorian era lovecraft shit! The man was BORN for this, I dont think Ive ever encountered another artist that better understands how to translate lovecraft to a visual medium. Luckily, he doesnt seem to be able to help himself, so he always puts SOME cosmic horror elements in his games
"Says no to Sequels" 16 Armored Core games 6 King's Field games 2 Otogi games 2 VOW games 2 Another Century games 3 Dark Souls games And likely will be making sequels to Bloodborne, Sekiro, and Elden Ring as well as further entries in the Armored Core franchise
I’m not familiar with the others except Armoured Core and Dark Souls. Armoured Core games are separated by generations and they keep rebooting everything from gameplay to story and setting with each gen. The 3 Dark Souls games are loosely connected to each other and have separate stories of separate protags. They might bear the same named, but they’re almost never direct sequels.
As I've been going through Elden Ring, I've realized that to say this game was heavily influenced by all previous From titles is an understatement. Elden Ring isn't influenced by these games, It's a celebration of the developers history, and is quite literally like playing all the soulsborne games at the same time. All of the side dungeons in ER are the exact concept of Bloodborne chalice dungeons, except built right into the open world which I find is absolutely incredible. For a developer in the current gaming era, to take something like chalice dungeons and find a new and impactful way to incorporate those into the open world is honestly pretty amazing. The game is riddled with little tidbits coming from all the other games. A cynical position might be to see these reoccurring aesthetics and enemies as uncreative, and simply reusing old assets but to me it always felt like a nod to the previous experiences I've cherished and I believe that was the real intention. Seeing something and going "oh wow, that's just like Bloodborne, that's just like dark souls 3" is so awesome. I want Bloodborne remastered and Bloodborne 2 as much as anyone else, but I have to admit some of the parts of this game are almost like "we know you want more Bloodborne feels, and so here is this little Bloodborne inspired area." It's like a dev decides, hey let's take all the best ideas of all our previous IPs, and integrate them into our new game in the best way possible. Honestly, most gaming devs have only managed to pull off the occasional one off masterpiece, but many of our beloved gaming companies have brought themselves to ruin over the years. From stands apart from the rest
If the goal was just to make nods to the previous games and be like a "best of game", I’d mostly get Elden Ring’s praise, but not as what kind of game FromSoftware presented Elden Ring to be at first and their ususal deviation from Souls the games that wasn’t Souls was like (Bloodborne and Sekiro). They could’ve done sooo much more with the IP and gone all out on creativity, they really had the golden opportunity, but no. I am completely 180° on your take on developers making one masterpiece but fails with a later release while FromSoftware always makes one after the other, because I think FromSoftware made masterpiece after masterpiece UNTIL Elden Ring, which means they succumbed to the same fate as well. Elden Ring taught me no developer is safe from the disappointment curse.
to be fair, demon souls, dark souls, bloodborne, and elden ring are following the same formula. they just improve upon it which most game dev do. And 2 sequels for dark souls are quite a lot imo
I know Elden Ring is technically not a direct sequel, it really is Dark Souls 4 in everything but name. George R. R. Martin even said in an interview that Miyazaki told him Elden Ring was a sequel.
I know he is set on all new IPs, but we should aknowledge how deeply similar all From Soft games are. It comes across of more of a personal opinion or creative pride thing for him then having a valid dislike of sequels.
I've thought about this a bit before. Because Fromsoft keeps making new IPs, they got fans invested in their company itself, rather than just one individual IP of theirs. What other developer can you think of that you would jump straight into a new game they made, not from any series of theirs that you've played before - as many did with armored core? Supergiant is the only one that comes to my mind, and look at their catalogue, it follows the same pattern as Fromsoft.
I've always loved the style and lore of the dark souls games but I was put off buying them by how difficult people said they were, and as someone who never really played super difficult games I knew I'd struggle, but after playing elden ring and seeing how rewarding and satisfying beating a hard boss was, I found a new appreciation for the whole franchise. They seem to be one of the only game studios to give there customers and fans games they deserve rather than ones they want, which is such a difficult thing to pull off.
You can tell DS3 was them giving fans what ask for, which is it has so many call backs to 1&2 at the expense of giving ds3 a unique world like DS2 did. I'm probably wrong but it's how DS3 feels to me
I don't get how FromSoft fans claim that their rpgs are different games, when Elden Ring is literally Dark Souls with a different cutscene at the beginning and end. I really don't like how similar the gameplay and game feel is between Dark Souls, Demons Souls, Bloodborne and Elden Ring. It really undermines the whole "new IP" hype when the core gameplay and a lot of enemies to interact with the core gameplay are just copy pasted from the previous games with a few stats tweaked in a spread sheet.
Calling it "Dark Souls with a different cutscene at the beginning and end" is gross over simplification. Fromsoftware had never made an open world souls game before. I don't know if they've EVER made an open world game prior to Elden Ring and that world design compared to Dark Souls labyrinthine level design are completely different.
@@unsungzero6122 I strongly disagree. Ignoring the part that making Darks Souls 3 again but making you ride a horse to the next area instead of having a loading screen doesn't really feel like a "new IP", I think that Elden Ring's world design is visually stunning, but very simplistic in gameplay. It's flat grass fields with nothing in them (or the area's "grass fields" equivalent), which you go through to get to either: 1) Big Points of Interest which are closed, semi-linear, "labyrinth-like" areas with a boss in the middle and end, so basically just Dark Souls levels (which are usually great), or 2) copy-pasted caves with copy-pasted enemies and a reused boss for the 5th time at the end. They remind me of BotW's Shrines, but without the occasional interesting puzzle and without the certainty that there will be anything useful at the end of it.
@@charnooh7532 Then why were there a ton of ppl who hated souls games before, but Elden Ring changed their minds? The open world. The non linear progression allowed ppl to continue experiencing new content and level up their characters despite getting stuck on mandatory bosses. You can disagree all you want, but it IS objectively different.
@@unsungzero6122 Sure it's different, and I'm happy for the people who liked it better than Souls games, but arguing that Demon Souls and Dark Souls and Elden Ring are in any major way a unique Intellectual property just doesn't sit right with me. Assassin's Creed games have almost copy-pasted gameplay. They differ in story and the world you explore, but they're still all Assassin's Creed games. Most modern Call of Duty games are basically the same with new stories and new levels, but even Warzone, the game with copy-pasted gameplay mechanics from an other game, with the difference being it put the player character in an open world battle royale, is still called Call of Duty Warzone, because that's just what you do. Nothing wrong with making a game franchise. It's just a little strange for them to be doing this, and it's ridiculous for fans to be praising it, when the reality is that a new IP is meaningless when the general gameplay, tone, movement, combat, player interaction etc. is very similar to a previous IP, or in some (or a lot) of cases it's literally copy-pasted to save development time.
for me fromsoft souls-like games are split into 2 types.. slow based (dark souls/elden ring) and fast based (bloodborne - sekiro).. as long they release these types of games in any shape or form.. then i don't mind.
From Soft has plenty of sequels under their belt, to say they shy away from it I think is not an accurate statement, they have far more titles that are in a series than not (and you can really thank Armored core for that), but there is Dark Souls and Kings Field as well. There is also Otogi and Lost Kingdoms also. That being said I am all for not pursuing them Sans Armored Core (You made and revived this Monster, now feed it), but there are some benefits not to. While not direct sequels, Sekiro, Bloodborn, and Eldin Ring were spiritual successors to Dark Souls. This gave players more of what they wanted (all be it with a little innovation here and there) and you didn't have to feel like you had to play the previous game to understand all the lore. Honestly in this day and age, there is no reason for them to make a sequel, tell a good story and end on a high note, if more needs to be added, DLC or expansion. We see it all to often, where people beat a horse to death, lets look at Anime\Manga for a sec, going to name a couple here to cite examples. One Piece, Bleach, and Coyboy Bebop. All well known and well liked (if you eliminate filler from the 1st 2 Anime). Now One Piece is arguably the longest series of the lot and for good reason and it is heralded as one of the best for good reason, the formula works with this though it is getting beyond long in the tooth and they should probably consider retiring it. Now lest look at the Shortest, Cowboy Bebop, also one of the best ever made.....why? Because it did what it was set out to be, and did a damn good job at it. Now Bleach, I love cannon Bleach.....up to Eisen, the story built up to a thunderous crescendo, and should have ended there, and in my personal opinion, everything that came after just ruined it for me. That is what I think From Soft is trying to avoid, tell the story they want to tell, and leave it on a prominent note .
Loved the video! You said everything that needs to be said without adding any made-up reasons and your depiction of Miyazaki was actually down to earth instead of glorifying him. I think the last thing I would add are the final words in Armored Core 1 "At this instant, the generation of rebirth came to an end"
I’m honestly fine without a dark souls 4, seeing all the great games they’ve made makes me excited for any new IPs they make. Still hoping for a mythology souls game.
from what I considered from this video, the team sounds it’s not interested in making sequels to games that don’t need them or they feel is complete AC for example each number is an entire universe of its own that is disconnected from the last number akin to Final Fantasy, even having it’s on X 2 type sequels with the same number / universe.
In a way Elden ring is the same since it’s the same mechanics as Souls games but a different universe and nature for example Coral is only Unique to planet Rubicon and games that take place in earth don’t have it except 4 where it’s Kojima particles where it’s also unique to Gen 4 AC reactors (similar to Minovisky Particles from the gundam series)
watching your video just after watching another video about the rumored new mage focused IP spellbound makes me appreciate it more , and yes i do not want Sekiro 2 or bloodborne 2 ( only need remake or remaster Dx), since they have a specific set of rules for gameplay and world design i don not think they will fail on new IP with that much experience
Bloodborne is my favorite game of all time, and I respect and understand that they havent, and probably never will make a sequel. In my head I understand that after the end of the game, there really isnt anywhere for the story to go.
I love how Armoured Core subverts the decay of sequels by having each numbered entry being a soft reboot of the series. I am glad there has yet to be anything to tarnish BB pr Sekiro, but DS3 was my favourite Souls title. Regardless, their best work is usually in what they add to games in DLC, directly building onto or even into the story. I hope to hear from Shadow of the Erd Tree soon, and remain hopeful for AC6 DLC
I wonder if they’ll do a DLC or expansion game (like for answer or verdict day) for AC6. I feel like the latter has more potential for new mechanics, like zero gravity space combat or Souls- style invasions/ coop
@@BlueIron64 just a small dlc would be fine honestly. Maybe a very focused story covering one battlefield on Rubicon where you decide what faction to side with to decide who wins in the region. Coop would be very welcome though
I feel people conflate narrative/setting and actual game design. Dark Souls 1 is Demon's Souls 2, by extension Elden Ring is basically Demon's Souls 6 the two titles since Demon's that are mechanically different enough to be considered different "IPs" are Sekiro and AC6
Fine by me Their approach to DLC is perfect and honestly I’d rather have new worlds and stories and adventures with somewhat familiar mechanics. It’s just way more fun.
That new coat of paint does a lot. I've seen franchises "innovate" mechanically but everything around it is so steeped in checklists of what people expect from the world and gameplay that it feels stale and soulless regardless. gameplay innovation cannot make up for creativity and wanting to try new things with the formula you do have.
Forget sequels, they apparently say no to a stupid 60 fps update for arguably their fan’s favourite game. I don’t know if it’s Sony or from, but I assume if micheal zaki said “ hey patch the game” It would get patched
Bloodborne is by far my favorite game. I don’t want a sequel. I don’t want some better remaster. I like the gritty look of it. I hope FromSoftware just keeps making new things.
Bloodborne 100% needs a remaster for Ps5 and PC. Its CRIMINAL that it only sold sub 3 million copies. It would easily be at least 10-15 million if it were on PC and PS5.
In my opinion, the reason why Fromsoft Games never do sequels is because each ending doesn’t follow up for a continuing of the story. Yeah, DS3 exists but that game feels more like an apologize letter to the fans after how horrible DS2 was. If you had played DS1, 2, and 3, they feel like they are their own story. The only thing those three games have in common is the whole “link the flame.” The rest feels like is own story. I know each game has multiple endings and one of the endings feels like a continuation like the ending of Bloodborne where the main character becomes an Old One. To be honest, the multiverse that Miyasaki is creating FEELS like a sequel and prequel of each game. Take for example Elden Ring. The Lord of Frenzied Flame feels like the prequel to Dark Souls. The Age of Stars feels like the prequel of Bloodborne. It almost feels like each games are connected. But is just a theory…
While I may soundly disagree with the sentiment that Elden ring was the culmination of all of their previous games (since demons souls, I mean), and while I may not enjoy elden ring overall as much as I enjoyed and continue to enjoy bloodborne, sekiro and dark souls 3 (for reasons that are rational but not relevant at this moment), I absolutely respect Miyazaki's dedication to his craft and his decision not to be bogged down by sequels. People need to understand that it was through this singular decision, the decision to stay dedicated to creativity, that fromsoft has set itself apart from the absolute vast majority of developers, period. Yes, there are good indie developers making absolute gems. But that's just the thing. They are indie. You can bet your ass that once these indie developers get bought by some billion dollar a year producer, things will change. It seems that fromsoft got lucky with the parent company that bought them, though that luck can run dry if Miyazaki isn't careful. For now, it seems the suits above him understand that Miyazaki is a creative genius, and that his name alone is what carries fromsoft at this moment. Fromsoft can therefore claim to be the only AAA developer raking in absolute vast amounts of money, on creativity and passion alone. A uniqum. Nobody else is doing that right now. At least not on the scale that fromsoft does. Now I'm not delusional enough to think this will last forever, or that miyazaki's genius is endless, or that somehow the industry will learn lessons from this. The only lesson worth learning in any industry, gaming or otherwise, is a lesson in how to make more money and reduce more costs. So long as the stock market controls the entire world with an iron grip through exploitation and military dicatorships we conveniently ignore producing the vast majority of our consumer goods, direct profits will always be the only standard these companies understand. Elden ring might have been the jack of all trades of their line-up, stellar at nothing particularly and repeating many of the mistakes dark souls 2 made, and seemingly misunderstanding the quality over quantity rule, while also re-introducing a lack of balancing and favoring ease of access and the "freedom" to make fights trivial with summons and spirit ashes, to deep and satisfying gameplay, but it still leaves the vast majority of other developers in the dust. I'm happy for the company, even if I'm worried Miyazaki was a bit TOO enthusiastic about Elden Ring. That game's glaring faults might bleed over into his other projects. Here's hoping he actually decides not to copy his own homework, and take things into a creatively new direction, rather than sticking to what made them the most money to date.
I mean, they're on armored core 6 and Dark souls 3 add on the pile of ports remasters and the fact its a spiritual succesor to Demons Souls. Sony owns Demons Souls and Bloodborne, so they'd need the license to make more of those. A steady stream of paid Dlc .. I'd say they're pretty into sequels when they can.
Outside of ER and sekiro most of the games they make utilize the same gameplay loops and mechanics so you can’t really compare them to other devs who heavily change gameplay based on sequel
Most sequels don’t heavily change gameplay, while From does with it’s new IP. Hell even Dark Souls feels different from each other, DS1 slow and methodical, DS2 (Janky?? Hard to describe), DS3 much faster gameplay, it’s pretty fair to compare to other devs as most don’t do much for their game’s sequels.
@@Entertainment-ev6ob I’m assuming you’ve played DS1 and DS3, you should know that I was just simplifying it and the difference in gameplay is very much there, not just speed.
They can call them different things if they want but with the exception of Armored Core and arguably Sekiro, they basically just make Dark Souls games.
This took longer than expected but I'm pleased with the finished product. I will disappear again for a bit and work on another video that is even more interesting than this one. Let me know what you think about FromSoftware's approach to game development below.
Miyazaki and his team were quite productive these 10 years. Every year there are new projects. If you asked me about the main game of the decade, I would unconditionally say Dark souls. Imitators are now coming from all sides. Many in our maestro’s place would simply clip the same souls, but he manages to deepen his mechanics. What is the Sekiro combat worth? We are waiting for a new project like Sekiro, where progress was evident. For me, the ideal setting would be the age of piracy with the inherent dark atmosphere of souls games.
Dark Souls 1 - Gwyn links the First Flame in order to prolong the Age of Fire, an act so unnatural it causes the undead curse and screws up the flow of time in Lordran.
Dark Souls 2 - You are undying, with time everything that you are will fade until nothing is left. You will be like Vendrick, an empty shell endlessly pacing a dark room.
Dark Souls 3 - The cycles of Fire and Dark have been going on for so long the universe itself is tired and just wants it to end.
Sekiro - Kuro is immortal and can share that immortality with others. He wants you to find a way to kill him because immortality is a curse.
Elden Ring - The Elden Ring is shattered, the Golden Order is broken and can't be restored, it is futile to try.
A major theme in all these works is that lingering on forever is unnatural, it's okay to just let go and move on.
That whole thing is kinda why I think Dark Souls wasn't intended to actually be a series in the beginning at all, and was meant to be a standalone game. It was what I got from DS3's narrative screaming at every opportunity that it didn't want to exist.
bloodborne is the hunters punishing themselves for the horrors of the hunt and the good ending is when you wake up and leave
I would agree that the Ds series shoulda been cut early. Great games and all but the same bs story thru all 3 of them? With no change in direction at all?💤
Dark souls 2 was much more personal. You did nőt try to save the world át all. You were trying to cure youself só you dönt go hollow.
Ds 3 i kind of agree its very much ds1 áll over again,
In Elden Ring, the old order cannot be fixed, but you must create something new from the lands between.
I no way am I opposed to a Bloodborne 2, heck I think even Dark Souls 4 would be a neat idea, but I deeply understand the lack of enthusiasm for sequeles on Miyazaki's part. Its not just that you have to make the sequel fit the 1st work, creating a sequel for something that originally had none would require the restructuring of the 1st work to fit the sequel (at least mentally): the sequel would add something that wasn't there before.
There may come a time when another developer at fromsoftware will revisit Dark Souls as Miyazaki has stated he wouldn't be against it.
Bro just yapping
I want bloodborne PC for God sake.
If a DS4 would ever happen it cant happen in the current timeline or in the present as it was finished after Gaels fight
sure but that ending was anticlimactic af@@Regufyz
Releasing armoured core 6 after seeing elden ring's MONUMENTAL SUCCESS confirms one thing to me, the studio actually prioritizes making what they think is a good game. As long as they're true to their artistic vision, I don't care if we get dark souls 15 or get a new IP every year.
Exactly...they gave a vision and stick with it and make solid games...
Armored Core and Elden Ring were being developed concurrently. For a long time Fromsoft has been having multiple times working on different games.
@@arsarma1808 they knew armored core won't come close in sales to their souls stuff.
@@arsarma1808 exactly two diffent teams
Still shame not to see Bloodborne 2. In some aspects it's better than any other Souls game including Elden Ring.
Creative burnout is a huge issue for a company that thrives in a field built on creativity. Makes sense for them to take long breaks between working on a sequel. Regardless of how that might be mildly upsetting to the consumer, it’s in their best interest.
I love the approach of telling a complete story and then moving on and making something fresh with no expectations. Bloodborne and Sekiro both explore their ideas to completion, and I think making a direct sequel to either would only cheapen the experience. Spiritual successors are much more interesting than direct sequels in the same world.
I’d have to disagree with the completion of Sekiro, there’s so much left with the Devine child and the journey to the west
@@BonzerMrTsame tbh, it has so much potential both gameplay and story wise,but well I guess never to be made
If to be honest,dark souls sticked to me so close, because you had a complete trilogy, and it always resrefhing when you beat one game to start it's sequels and it's always feels new
@@BonzerMrTThat would make that ending canon tho, which is not something i see Fromsoft ever doing in any of their games.
Meanwhile from just released their 14th armoured core game. And it’s STILL A FUCKING MASTERPIECE
I didn't realize how much I appreciate companies that create new IP everytime until I discovered From Software. Ds2 and ds3 being the exception because Miyazaki wasn't in charge at that time, but other than that we had from 2009 to 2023 : Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Déraciné, Sekiro, Elden Ring, Armored Core, and probably a new IP in development still. I like the fact Miyazaki wants to move on to new universes, gameplays, everytime.
Miyazaki did develop DS3 just not DS2
@@Childofbhaal that's not what I said, ds3 wasn't his choice, it was a command by Bandai Namco. They made a deal with the former From Software CEO to make 2 sequels.
@awhellnah__ I know, I didn't mean to say it, Armored Core 6 is more of a reboot and standalone.
Fromsoftware has become my top 3 developers ever. If it wasn't for them I don't think I'd be enjoying games as much as I currently do. Their influence has been felt massively in the industry. Some of my favorite games of all time like Hollow Knight would not exist without them. The souls games and Fromsoftware are hands down one of the most influential things to ever happen to the gaming industry and their impact will continue being felt for the next decade and beyond.
Right now bloodborne has an incredible amount of untapped potential. It has the best atmosphere I have ever seen in a video game. It’s hard fun satisfying and has a very interesting story.
But it’s being held back by so many things. Like it being stuck in both the 30 fps and PlayStation jail. The chalice dungeons feeling horrible to play and in many ways not feeling like they belong at all with how Samy disconnected and unnecessarily cryptic they are. And of course the many inconsistencies like not being able to reset or travel between lamps at lamps and having to farm for healing and parrying.
That’s why I’m Desperate for Fromsoft to do SOMETHING with bloodborne again. Sequel, prequel, remaster, remake, port a godamn update to uncap fps on ps5 Whatever just anything to tap that potential
Bloodborne would do well with a remaster, and a PC port along with that. Ds2 could use a remake. But I don't need either of these things to be done by fromsoft. I'd much rather have them focus their attention on a new IP or more dlc for Elden ring
FROMSOFT CAN'T DO ANYTHING with Bloodborne, as the IP hasn't ever belonged to them. They made the game FOR SONY, but Miyazaki's attitude about sequels rules the likelihood of their involvement in the IP's future out.
Bloodborne is owned by sony. Fromsoftware made the game for them. We should beg sony to do something about it.
Yes they should atleast upgrade to ps5 but it's so old at this point itl never happen
I hope they don’t change anything. That was miyazakis vision. It doesn’t need to be changed unless he decides to change it. I don’t want a Star Wars “special edition” here. Just the original game with better frame rate.
A sequel for Sekrio is like a dream come true, or even any game with the same combat mechanics-best combat mechanics ever- developed by From would be great.
You have to understand that unfortunately this game is rhythmic game, and most of players would not have issues in playing sekiro 2, because most of players just remember how to play to this rhythm.
I am really glad that they chose to not settle on one branch and try to inovate themselves into other avenues of gaming and taking a new spin to them. As they have said it themselves, elden ring was the culmination of the souls series as a whole as well as their entry point into the open world genre which proved to snowball into great success despite everything.
Fingers crossed for their future projects.
then let me ask you this, what about final fantasy? you know the series with 16+ games that was in hot water because their last game wasnt "final fantasy enough"?
Miyazaki’s comments about his disinterest in sequels largely comes from making sequels to games which are already finished. It is my opinion that Elden Ring will have a sequel not just because of its success, but in Miyazaki predicting it’s success planning and imagining Elden Ring as a game which was built with a sequel in mind.
But what would a sequel be? You fix the Elden Ring by the end of the game, and unlike Dark Souls, the Shattering isn’t some annual event that happens forever.
@@nono-lz9qr I think we need to see how the DLC changes things before we say anything definitive. There are some story bits that could be better filled in with some kind of sequel, mainly the stuff involving Miquella. While I do think the Miquella stuff will be filled in with the DLC, there's no telling if the DLC will open up any further possibilities.
I don't think the perpetual ages of light and dark in the world of Dark Souls were ever meant to be cyclical. It is this inclusion into the franchise which is the focus of both sequels, and I think it is a brilliant examination on the effect of perpetual sequels as well. Dragging on forever until the original meaning is diluted and scattered as see in The Ringed City.
I believe Elden Ring isn't a story entirely centered on the Elden Ring or the event of the Shattering. These events really seem to be a smokescreen for the true focus of the game. The influence of the various outer gods which inhabit and influence the Lands Between with their empyreans, their puppets, and their greater wills. The Tarnished like many other factions in Elden Ring are manipulated by outside forces to do the bidding of others hidden behind the scenes. The result of which has left the land scarred and beyond repair. Life and Death are at odds with each other and nature is completely out of balance as a result.
These themes don't need to be carried out over an endless cycle. I think we can infer from the events of this game that a sequel would primarily revolve around fighting a battle we choose for ourselves against the forces of the outer gods. The story of the Lands between isn't over. We've just killed a God and now we will wait for the consequences.
@@manray5140 I suppose, but at the same time I feel those same talking points could be used to justify sequels to the other soul’s games.
Bloodborne has multiple Great Ones who meddle in story. Most prominently would be Odeon, who impregnates the prostitute, the Moon Presence, who keeps the Hunter’s Dream going and keeps certain hunters immortal until their duty is done, as well as Kos, who curses all hunters to inevitably fall to blood-drunkenness. There’s also the lesser involved ones, who are more being used by the church. This would include Rom, Ebreitas, and the Mensis brain. It could be said that the Hunters are the ones caught in the middle, cleaning up after the Church and indirectly coming in contact with Great Ones, as seen in game with the PC.
To a significantly lesser extant, you could say the same about Demon’s Souls and its Old One.
Just because there are big players in the background doing things, doesn’t mean that there will be sequels tackling them. And while I WISH any of FromSoft’s stand-alone games would get a sequel, I heavily doubt any will.
Truthfully, the only game I could see getting a sequel would be Sekiro, since it’s secret ending really sets the stage for another adventure, this one in Korea.
@@nono-lz9qr Sadly I was raised to be an xbox player so I haven't the privilege to fully enjoy those games. You bring up some mighty strong points however. I believe I'm banking on the financial success of Elden Ring as another piece of evidence for why this was a game intended for a sequel.
I wish they focused more on adventure, horror or dungeon crawlers since I love games like Echo Night Beyond, King's Field IV and the Shadow Tower duology.
I agree! I thoroughly enjoyed Shadow Tower and having a blast with Echo Night!
Shadow Tower Abyss? You mean Bloodborne V .05!!!
Don't count it out man, I've been praying for a new AC game for what feels like a decade now, I too love Kings Field, Shadow Tower i liked more though, I really wouldn't be surprised if we got a new first person RPG from them one day. Might not be a KF or ST game, but I imagine it'll be a spiritual successor type thing if they ever do it.
you would like blood borne
this guy: fromsoft doesn't make sequels
fromsoft: armored core 6️⃣
This was really interesting to listen, great commentary. I'm glad Miyazaki and Fromsoftware are leading us into the future because they truly have a mature vision of video games and constantly push boundaries so we always get unique experiences, indeed. Sekiro was a game changer for me (my first Fromsoft game) and made me more curious than I've ever been about asian culture. I don't even feel like a need a sequel yet because I feel like there's still a lot left for me to discover after all these years. Each time I play the game I get a fresh experience because I have a better understanding of the lore and get new answers.
Thanks for listening, Fromsoftware truly makes games like no one else does!
Give ER a go if u haven’t already. best game ever for me
isnt armored core 6 a sequel though? how can people say they arent into making sequels when their last game was a literal sequel? also, for all the talks about miyazaki not wanting to make sequels. dark souls was a literal sequel to demon's souls. its just not called demon's souls 2.
I pray every day for a sekiro 2.. god damn that combat system was so amazing.. probably my favorite combat system of all time.... they could do a prequel where you play as isshin taking ashina over... that would be sick.. but no matter what they make, I will play it because fromsoft does not miss
Nah give us a new Tenchu game instead with more stealth focus
@Jun-kun-iu4ls I'd be cool with that... never played tenchu but I've seen the gameplay and that would be cool with today's graphics and mechanics and stuff.
@@soulstech414 a new tenchu can take some from Sekiro but make it more stealth focused instead of action
Kinda like how MGSV came after MGR
But where does Armored Core fit in the grand scheme of all this? It's FromSoftware' longest running IP and 6's release proves it still has potential.
ac6 is a complete reboot of the series, it's in the same universe of the other games but it is in fact a new game
@@prysmer7923 I am aware of that. My point is that it's still a numbered sequel. I just don't want Armored Core to be killed right after being resurrected.
Armored Core is a special case in which is the exception to the rule. Armored Core was Miyazaki's first game when joining Fromsoftware, this game was 'Armored Core: Last Raven' which was not the first Armored Core but a spin off; this is important because it existed before he joined the company. It is not his creation but something that he added to.
@@umptischmutzAs far as numbers and how Producer Ogura is concerned. Armored Core will be continued for more sequeld
@@prysmer7923Pretty much every numbered armored core game is a reboot or separate universe. So that's nothing new.
1, 2, 3, and 4 are all their own universes. 5 was the only one that was a sequel to 4.
I'm gonna be honest. I totally agree with you with everything you said...
...but as a heavy Souls fan... it deeply hurts not having a Sekiro DLC, a sequel, a Bloodborne Remastered and a sequel...
😭😭
I really hope Spellbound will at least fulfill my need of a Bloodborne 2... hoping that Spellbound is actually real...
Also, apparently, a sequel for Elden Ring is in the works, since Miyazaki himself confirmed that there's still too much that he hasn't covered in terms of lore
Or at least, that's what I understood...
Spellbound is fake as fuck
I mean I think Miyazaki is saying “Elden ring is getting more than one dlc then we are done with it”
Making new ip has worked out great for them, so I feel like if there are any loose ends they will add it as dlc, and as much as I want Elden ring 2 or blood borne 2 it is not happening
Nothing is set in stone things change
Imagine if DS1 had the same treatment as Demon Souls in the PS5, it would drive everyone nuts, or if we go beyond, fix the second half of the game.
@@bruh7170 That sounds right, since it's stories (aside of Dark Souls having that potential of it's story being continued, but would only add and maybe elaborate on some stuff, like the Ringed City that ended up being the best DLC or second) have real conclusion and not an: The End? at the end of the final cutscene.
Although Sekiro does have that Dragon Homecoming ending, so it's possible if they want to continue that story somehow.
You know, when Elden Ring came out I kept joking that it's just Dark Souls 4 with the names for all the stuff changed. Bonfire -> Grace. Estus -> Flask of Crimson Tears. You know. And it basically is, but having it set in a fresh new universe has allowed them to come up with fresh ideas and characters, and after spending time with the game, I find it all just as memorable and endearing as Dark Souls. So I do think it's good that they are not dwelling on the same IPs. Then we might be in a situation like Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed where they seem to get really stale. I don't play those games so I don't truly know, but it does seem like those franchises have gotten pretty stagnant.
We get a new anor lando every year 🎉
It's so cool that FromSoft doesn't make sequels, they just keep pumping out new banger IPs like Armored Core, Armored Core 2, Armored Core 3, Armored Core 4, Armored Core 5, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3 and Armored Core 6. I especially like how they don't reuse their IP. Things like lore (the cycle of superficial dark and light where actually humanity is subject to an alien "god" no matter what is ONLY used in that one FromSoft game for example), characters (we all remember those unique one-off characters like Patches, and I think we can all agree they'd be less impactful if they'd been reused over and over in all of FromSoft's games), weapon designs (who can forget MOONLIGHT from Armored Core 3? I'm sure we all would if it were just a generic weapon in every FromSoft game), gameplay (we've been blessed with so many fresh and new paradigms thanks to FS's strict adherence to new IP; for example, the game where you have a dodge animation with s, stamina management, fighting enemies that are mostly larger than you, checkpoints you go back to when you die, but you drop a resource when you die and have to go back and get it but lose it forever if you die again first- that one was my favourite!) and so on, certainly never just copying established and well-known games from other developers like Capcom or Konami, and always making their own IP, like they did for their hit PSP title Monster Hunter Diary: Poka Poka Airou Village.
Joking aside what is actually the point of this video
I don't think we really need a Bloodborne 2 or Sekiro 2 and I'm not sure how well that would work story-wise, especially for Bloodborne. But I desperately hope that we'll get spiritual successors that build on their combat systems, just like Elden Ring did for DS3. Imo they're the best melee combat systems they've created and it would be a shame if they didn't refine them further.
Hidetaka Miyazaki is the Kendrick Lamar of his genre no-one game/album is the same as the last each release is innovation every single time. and im here for it
Well said and best way to compare him tbh k dot was just the first k dot as opposed to the second coming of 2pac as many misunderstood. Miyazaki is just one of a kind in the gaming industry and am glad he is till successful
And DS3 was his TPAB
All I want is for fromsoft to make a new Kings field game. With today's tech they could make something spectacular.
What kind of combat would you want? I'm trying to think of an example of FromSofts combat in first person but I can't. Kingdom Come is close but doesn't feel as fluid. It's hard to do sword combat in first person without it feeling like skyrim.
@@ryanvandoren1519 I.dont really know to be honest. I was fine with the basic kf combat. I do know it was clunky but it worked. Really I'd just like to see a new game in the series as I love all the kf games.
I like the one & done idea. Not everything needs a sequel. I'd be lying if I said people who beg for them don't drive me insane. That's how you end up with KH4 and Boruto.
But also ds3. Which is an incredible game despite being a sequel.
The only game I really feel strongly that needs a sequel is Sekiro. The dragons homecoming has SO much potential, as well as the combat with maybe another weapon or dual swords or something.
I think a sequel has a lot of potential and satisfation in regards to how the first ends.
I see some people asking for bloodborn 2 sometimes, I guess that's why bloodbonre cart became a meme lol. I wouldn't be against that ether, the world has so much potential and the trick weapons make sure the combat stays fresh.
There's beating a dead horse and then there's creating something special with something that has a lot of material left to work with.
Just don't play if you don't like it. Let people enjoy what they want, you're weird.
It's great that you released this video the same year that Armored Core 6 released!
i would absolutely love to see a bloodeborne 2, but i genuinely dont know what they would even do on a narrative level
I've heard some interesting ways they could do it, one however would of forced the take that the "baby great one" ending IS the canon ending as a main character in the game you'd interact with would of been the doll from the hunters dream who now held a familair scythe on her back and constantly guarded a baby carriage (presumably where the new baby great one would be).
Of course that does create issues of how they got out of the hunters dream and if thats possible for the doll let alone a baby great one but-
The easiest and simplest way they could continue it though could be that a member of the healing church smuggled the blood, or even somehow a baby great one or an essence of one out of Yharnam and into a new location. Could be for religious power, for money, etc. It would in the end start a new scourge of beasts which might attract great ones to the loctation making everthing worse for the people there, more violent and corrupt beasts since they'd all be coming from a healing church only mindset since none of the people there would know any other way like the choir.
There are the issues of course of where would a hub be and how could it work this time since the reason we could die and come back was because of the hunters dream, they could remake it with different great ones and system or make it much more interesting by making your character a vileblood, since they were in a way immortal, explaining now why the new townsmen would hunt you alongside all the new beasts as well since the church and vilebloods were rivals.
More issues to think about with all of that, but simple ideas!
bloodborne is sony. and all sony
12:29 You say we may not have gotten Bloodborne, Sekiro, and Elden Ring if FromSoftware always would’ve just made Dark Souls games, but we got Elden Ring, which means except for Bloodborne and Sekiro (where you’re right), Elden Ring could’ve just been Dark Souls 4 because it is just Dark Souls 4 in disguise of a new IP. Elden Ring would’ve definitely still been possible had they never made Bloodborne or Sekiro, ending up being the next game releasing after Dark Souls 3. Had Elden Ring been a new original experience like Miyazaki says he always wants to make, it would’ve differentiated itself enough from Dark Souls to know that the real Elden Ring game Elden Ring had the potential to be (but didn’t in the end) wouldn’t be possible if they had just continued making Dark Souls games.
Which is why it did differentiate itself from dark souls. Plenty actually
@@marcogianesello6083 Well I just said it didn’t, so no I guess.
@@davidborned congrats. You're wrong.
@@marcogianesello6083 congrats you just have your own opinion (opinion being that I’m wrong)
When I say I want bloodborne 2, its not that I actually want a continuation of the plot (because, what plot? Its more this huge nightmarish painting that youre walking through). I dont even need it to be set in the same world. I just want miyazaki to do more victorian era lovecraft shit! The man was BORN for this, I dont think Ive ever encountered another artist that better understands how to translate lovecraft to a visual medium.
Luckily, he doesnt seem to be able to help himself, so he always puts SOME cosmic horror elements in his games
"Says no to Sequels"
16 Armored Core games
6 King's Field games
2 Otogi games
2 VOW games
2 Another Century games
3 Dark Souls games
And likely will be making sequels to Bloodborne, Sekiro, and Elden Ring as well as further entries in the Armored Core franchise
I’m not familiar with the others except Armoured Core and Dark Souls.
Armoured Core games are separated by generations and they keep rebooting everything from gameplay to story and setting with each gen.
The 3 Dark Souls games are loosely connected to each other and have separate stories of separate protags.
They might bear the same named, but they’re almost never direct sequels.
@@MaidenlessScrub Weapons grade copium mate
@@Spr1ggan87 copium for stating fact?
@@MaidenlessScrub Facts are they've made many entries in ongoing IP
@@Spr1ggan87 yes but that doesn’t mean they’re all sequels to each other. You’re confusing using the same IP as a seuqel.
As I've been going through Elden Ring, I've realized that to say this game was heavily influenced by all previous From titles is an understatement. Elden Ring isn't influenced by these games, It's a celebration of the developers history, and is quite literally like playing all the soulsborne games at the same time. All of the side dungeons in ER are the exact concept of Bloodborne chalice dungeons, except built right into the open world which I find is absolutely incredible. For a developer in the current gaming era, to take something like chalice dungeons and find a new and impactful way to incorporate those into the open world is honestly pretty amazing. The game is riddled with little tidbits coming from all the other games. A cynical position might be to see these reoccurring aesthetics and enemies as uncreative, and simply reusing old assets but to me it always felt like a nod to the previous experiences I've cherished and I believe that was the real intention. Seeing something and going "oh wow, that's just like Bloodborne, that's just like dark souls 3" is so awesome. I want Bloodborne remastered and Bloodborne 2 as much as anyone else, but I have to admit some of the parts of this game are almost like "we know you want more Bloodborne feels, and so here is this little Bloodborne inspired area." It's like a dev decides, hey let's take all the best ideas of all our previous IPs, and integrate them into our new game in the best way possible. Honestly, most gaming devs have only managed to pull off the occasional one off masterpiece, but many of our beloved gaming companies have brought themselves to ruin over the years. From stands apart from the rest
Right on, they are as passionate as the fans about crafting experiences that fans will look back with unforgettable memories.
A shame they didnt go all out though.
The more you play its like they were either held back or they were to afraid to mix it up.
If the goal was just to make nods to the previous games and be like a "best of game", I’d mostly get Elden Ring’s praise, but not as what kind of game FromSoftware presented Elden Ring to be at first and their ususal deviation from Souls the games that wasn’t Souls was like (Bloodborne and Sekiro). They could’ve done sooo much more with the IP and gone all out on creativity, they really had the golden opportunity, but no. I am completely 180° on your take on developers making one masterpiece but fails with a later release while FromSoftware always makes one after the other, because I think FromSoftware made masterpiece after masterpiece UNTIL Elden Ring, which means they succumbed to the same fate as well. Elden Ring taught me no developer is safe from the disappointment curse.
to be fair, demon souls, dark souls, bloodborne, and elden ring are following the same formula. they just improve upon it which most game dev do. And 2 sequels for dark souls are quite a lot imo
I know Elden Ring is technically not a direct sequel, it really is Dark Souls 4 in everything but name. George R. R. Martin even said in an interview that Miyazaki told him Elden Ring was a sequel.
I know he is set on all new IPs, but we should aknowledge how deeply similar all From Soft games are. It comes across of more of a personal opinion or creative pride thing for him then having a valid dislike of sequels.
I've thought about this a bit before. Because Fromsoft keeps making new IPs, they got fans invested in their company itself, rather than just one individual IP of theirs.
What other developer can you think of that you would jump straight into a new game they made, not from any series of theirs that you've played before - as many did with armored core?
Supergiant is the only one that comes to my mind, and look at their catalogue, it follows the same pattern as Fromsoft.
I really hope that fromsoft get to do whatever they want. They obviously know what they are doing.
They’re like on their hundredth armored core game
I've always loved the style and lore of the dark souls games but I was put off buying them by how difficult people said they were, and as someone who never really played super difficult games I knew I'd struggle, but after playing elden ring and seeing how rewarding and satisfying beating a hard boss was, I found a new appreciation for the whole franchise. They seem to be one of the only game studios to give there customers and fans games they deserve rather than ones they want, which is such a difficult thing to pull off.
I want a Bloodborne 60fps remaster
You can tell DS3 was them giving fans what ask for, which is it has so many call backs to 1&2 at the expense of giving ds3 a unique world like DS2 did. I'm probably wrong but it's how DS3 feels to me
Don't care, didn't ask
I don't want a Bloodborne sequal, I just want a remaster for the PS5!
Great video.
Waiting for sekiro 2
They’ve been my favorite dev since I played Dark Souls 1 and 3 in 2016
I don't get how FromSoft fans claim that their rpgs are different games, when Elden Ring is literally Dark Souls with a different cutscene at the beginning and end. I really don't like how similar the gameplay and game feel is between Dark Souls, Demons Souls, Bloodborne and Elden Ring. It really undermines the whole "new IP" hype when the core gameplay and a lot of enemies to interact with the core gameplay are just copy pasted from the previous games with a few stats tweaked in a spread sheet.
Calling it "Dark Souls with a different cutscene at the beginning and end" is gross over simplification. Fromsoftware had never made an open world souls game before. I don't know if they've EVER made an open world game prior to Elden Ring and that world design compared to Dark Souls labyrinthine level design are completely different.
@@unsungzero6122 I strongly disagree.
Ignoring the part that making Darks Souls 3 again but making you ride a horse to the next area instead of having a loading screen doesn't really feel like a "new IP", I think that Elden Ring's world design is visually stunning, but very simplistic in gameplay.
It's flat grass fields with nothing in them (or the area's "grass fields" equivalent), which you go through to get to either:
1) Big Points of Interest which are closed, semi-linear, "labyrinth-like" areas with a boss in the middle and end, so basically just Dark Souls levels (which are usually great), or
2) copy-pasted caves with copy-pasted enemies and a reused boss for the 5th time at the end. They remind me of BotW's Shrines, but without the occasional interesting puzzle and without the certainty that there will be anything useful at the end of it.
@@charnooh7532 Then why were there a ton of ppl who hated souls games before, but Elden Ring changed their minds? The open world. The non linear progression allowed ppl to continue experiencing new content and level up their characters despite getting stuck on mandatory bosses. You can disagree all you want, but it IS objectively different.
@@unsungzero6122 Sure it's different, and I'm happy for the people who liked it better than Souls games, but arguing that Demon Souls and Dark Souls and Elden Ring are in any major way a unique Intellectual property just doesn't sit right with me.
Assassin's Creed games have almost copy-pasted gameplay. They differ in story and the world you explore, but they're still all Assassin's Creed games.
Most modern Call of Duty games are basically the same with new stories and new levels, but even Warzone, the game with copy-pasted gameplay mechanics from an other game, with the difference being it put the player character in an open world battle royale, is still called Call of Duty Warzone, because that's just what you do. Nothing wrong with making a game franchise.
It's just a little strange for them to be doing this, and it's ridiculous for fans to be praising it, when the reality is that a new IP is meaningless when the general gameplay, tone, movement, combat, player interaction etc. is very similar to a previous IP, or in some (or a lot) of cases it's literally copy-pasted to save development time.
for me fromsoft souls-like games are split into 2 types.. slow based (dark souls/elden ring) and fast based (bloodborne - sekiro).. as long they release these types of games in any shape or form.. then i don't mind.
From Soft has plenty of sequels under their belt, to say they shy away from it I think is not an accurate statement, they have far more titles that are in a series than not (and you can really thank Armored core for that), but there is Dark Souls and Kings Field as well. There is also Otogi and Lost Kingdoms also. That being said I am all for not pursuing them Sans Armored Core (You made and revived this Monster, now feed it), but there are some benefits not to. While not direct sequels, Sekiro, Bloodborn, and Eldin Ring were spiritual successors to Dark Souls. This gave players more of what they wanted (all be it with a little innovation here and there) and you didn't have to feel like you had to play the previous game to understand all the lore. Honestly in this day and age, there is no reason for them to make a sequel, tell a good story and end on a high note, if more needs to be added, DLC or expansion. We see it all to often, where people beat a horse to death, lets look at Anime\Manga for a sec, going to name a couple here to cite examples. One Piece, Bleach, and Coyboy Bebop. All well known and well liked (if you eliminate filler from the 1st 2 Anime). Now One Piece is arguably the longest series of the lot and for good reason and it is heralded as one of the best for good reason, the formula works with this though it is getting beyond long in the tooth and they should probably consider retiring it. Now lest look at the Shortest, Cowboy Bebop, also one of the best ever made.....why? Because it did what it was set out to be, and did a damn good job at it. Now Bleach, I love cannon Bleach.....up to Eisen, the story built up to a thunderous crescendo, and should have ended there, and in my personal opinion, everything that came after just ruined it for me. That is what I think From Soft is trying to avoid, tell the story they want to tell, and leave it on a prominent note .
Crazy how they are still a great company since I've fought Roughneck in the Arena of their Play Station 1 game
Loved the video! You said everything that needs to be said without adding any made-up reasons and your depiction of Miyazaki was actually down to earth instead of glorifying him.
I think the last thing I would add are the final words in Armored Core 1
"At this instant, the generation of rebirth came to an end"
I love that fromsoftware doesnt milk its IPs to hell and back the way other studios do.
I’m honestly fine without a dark souls 4, seeing all the great games they’ve made makes me excited for any new IPs they make. Still hoping for a mythology souls game.
hell yeah playing zeus or Osiris
So happy to see how much growth you had recently. Keep it up man!
from what I considered from this video, the team sounds it’s not interested in making sequels to games that don’t need them or they feel is complete
AC for example each number is an entire universe of its own that is disconnected from the last number akin to Final Fantasy, even having it’s on X 2 type sequels with the same number / universe.
In a way Elden ring is the same since it’s the same mechanics as Souls games but a different universe and nature
for example Coral is only Unique to planet Rubicon and games that take place in earth don’t have it except 4 where it’s Kojima particles where it’s also unique to Gen 4 AC reactors (similar to Minovisky Particles from the gundam series)
I want to see fromsoftware make a mystery game.
Like what? That's a pretty broad term.
I’m okay with no sequels but no dlc for sekiro is criminal
As long as these guys keep experimenting and creating something new, I’m all for it even if it ends up like DS2.
watching your video just after watching another video about the rumored new mage focused IP spellbound makes me appreciate it more , and yes i do not want Sekiro 2 or bloodborne 2 ( only need remake or remaster Dx), since they have a specific set of rules for gameplay and world design i don not think they will fail on new IP with that much experience
I'm still waiting for Metal Gear Re-rising Re-revengence
Bloodborne is my favorite game of all time, and I respect and understand that they havent, and probably never will make a sequel. In my head I understand that after the end of the game, there really isnt anywhere for the story to go.
Great video. Easy sub.
I still want a sekiro sequel
good video man your under rated
I guess this doesn't apply to armored core because each gen is usually a completely new story and universe
Armored Core predates Miyazaki's tenure at the company. I think that definitely has something to do with it.
Armored core 6 Existing
casually ignores darksouls 1 2 3
Subbed & Liked! Enjoyed the video! Good work!
I love how Armoured Core subverts the decay of sequels by having each numbered entry being a soft reboot of the series.
I am glad there has yet to be anything to tarnish BB pr Sekiro, but DS3 was my favourite Souls title. Regardless, their best work is usually in what they add to games in DLC, directly building onto or even into the story. I hope to hear from Shadow of the Erd Tree soon, and remain hopeful for AC6 DLC
I wonder if they’ll do a DLC or expansion game (like for answer or verdict day) for AC6. I feel like the latter has more potential for new mechanics, like zero gravity space combat or Souls- style invasions/ coop
@@BlueIron64 just a small dlc would be fine honestly. Maybe a very focused story covering one battlefield on Rubicon where you decide what faction to side with to decide who wins in the region. Coop would be very welcome though
Isn’t ER 2 all but confirmed? I thought BandaiNamco said “it’s a franchise now.”
Miyazaki "seemingly confirmed" it according to Screenrant and some other sources online.
I feel people conflate narrative/setting and actual game design.
Dark Souls 1 is Demon's Souls 2, by extension Elden Ring is basically Demon's Souls 6
the two titles since Demon's that are mechanically different enough to be considered different "IPs" are Sekiro and AC6
Fine by me
Their approach to DLC is perfect and honestly I’d rather have new worlds and stories and adventures with somewhat familiar mechanics. It’s just way more fun.
0:49 true, based fromsoft
Changing the name and a few minor mechanics with a coat of paint does not a new IP make.
Sekiro deserves a sequel or at least a huge dlc.
I'd love to see more Sekiro, other than that I mostly agree with the video.
Bloodborne 2 and Dark Souls 3.5 is all I want. Literally all.
It's better to have a popular developer for making a lot of good games rather than popular IP made by different developers.
They have integrity everything gets ruined with sequels prequels cinematic universes and remakes these days
As much as I'd love to see a Bloodborne 2, it's refreshing not getting sequel after sequel of the same stale world.
Miyazaki didn't promise but he did say he might make a DS4, but just need a break from it.
That new coat of paint does a lot. I've seen franchises "innovate" mechanically but everything around it is so steeped in checklists of what people expect from the world and gameplay that it feels stale and soulless regardless. gameplay innovation cannot make up for creativity and wanting to try new things with the formula you do have.
Funny thing about this man is he actually creates a complete game, but he never gives us a complete story. That’s why we need a sequel.
Didn't Miyazaki once say that he may not be interested in sequels but he wouldn't be against one of his staff from doing so.
Forget sequels, they apparently say no to a stupid 60 fps update for arguably their fan’s favourite game. I don’t know if it’s Sony or from, but I assume if micheal zaki said “ hey patch the game”
It would get patched
Idk man, Elden Ring is basically Demon's Souls 5 with another name.
But there is going to be and elden ring 2? It’s called shadow of the erdtree, and it’s speculated to be as large as the base game.
Kazuya: who the hell are you
Reina: Dorya!!!
Bloodborne is by far my favorite game. I don’t want a sequel. I don’t want some better remaster. I like the gritty look of it. I hope FromSoftware just keeps making new things.
Nah the game needs a remaster and port at the very least... I'm dying for 60fps.
A remaster that allows it to go 60fps and a PC port would be great
It was just my opinion on what I want. I know I’m in the major minority. A PC port would be great just for more people to play it.
Bloodborne 100% needs a remaster for Ps5 and PC. Its CRIMINAL that it only sold sub 3 million copies. It would easily be at least 10-15 million if it were on PC and PS5.
Yeah, just release it ok anything other than PS4, it's the only SoulsBorne I've yet to play die to it being console exclusive
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In my opinion, the reason why Fromsoft Games never do sequels is because each ending doesn’t follow up for a continuing of the story. Yeah, DS3 exists but that game feels more like an apologize letter to the fans after how horrible DS2 was. If you had played DS1, 2, and 3, they feel like they are their own story. The only thing those three games have in common is the whole “link the flame.” The rest feels like is own story. I know each game has multiple endings and one of the endings feels like a continuation like the ending of Bloodborne where the main character becomes an Old One. To be honest, the multiverse that Miyasaki is creating FEELS like a sequel and prequel of each game. Take for example Elden Ring. The Lord of Frenzied Flame feels like the prequel to Dark Souls. The Age of Stars feels like the prequel of Bloodborne. It almost feels like each games are connected. But is just a theory…
I wouldn’t really say armored core 6 is a sequel, it has nothing to do with previous armored cores, kinda like Demon souls and dark souls.
While I may soundly disagree with the sentiment that Elden ring was the culmination of all of their previous games (since demons souls, I mean), and while I may not enjoy elden ring overall as much as I enjoyed and continue to enjoy bloodborne, sekiro and dark souls 3 (for reasons that are rational but not relevant at this moment), I absolutely respect Miyazaki's dedication to his craft and his decision not to be bogged down by sequels.
People need to understand that it was through this singular decision, the decision to stay dedicated to creativity, that fromsoft has set itself apart from the absolute vast majority of developers, period.
Yes, there are good indie developers making absolute gems. But that's just the thing. They are indie. You can bet your ass that once these indie developers get bought by some billion dollar a year producer, things will change.
It seems that fromsoft got lucky with the parent company that bought them, though that luck can run dry if Miyazaki isn't careful. For now, it seems the suits above him understand that Miyazaki is a creative genius, and that his name alone is what carries fromsoft at this moment.
Fromsoft can therefore claim to be the only AAA developer raking in absolute vast amounts of money, on creativity and passion alone. A uniqum. Nobody else is doing that right now. At least not on the scale that fromsoft does.
Now I'm not delusional enough to think this will last forever, or that miyazaki's genius is endless, or that somehow the industry will learn lessons from this. The only lesson worth learning in any industry, gaming or otherwise, is a lesson in how to make more money and reduce more costs. So long as the stock market controls the entire world with an iron grip through exploitation and military dicatorships we conveniently ignore producing the vast majority of our consumer goods, direct profits will always be the only standard these companies understand.
Elden ring might have been the jack of all trades of their line-up, stellar at nothing particularly and repeating many of the mistakes dark souls 2 made, and seemingly misunderstanding the quality over quantity rule, while also re-introducing a lack of balancing and favoring ease of access and the "freedom" to make fights trivial with summons and spirit ashes, to deep and satisfying gameplay, but it still leaves the vast majority of other developers in the dust. I'm happy for the company, even if I'm worried Miyazaki was a bit TOO enthusiastic about Elden Ring. That game's glaring faults might bleed over into his other projects. Here's hoping he actually decides not to copy his own homework, and take things into a creatively new direction, rather than sticking to what made them the most money to date.
He has to make Sekiro 2 that combat system and boss fights where the best
Sekiro deserves a trilogy
We all know elden ring is just Dank Souls 4
I mean, they're on armored core 6 and Dark souls 3 add on the pile of ports remasters and the fact its a spiritual succesor to Demons Souls. Sony owns Demons Souls and Bloodborne, so they'd need the license to make more of those.
A steady stream of paid Dlc .. I'd say they're pretty into sequels when they can.
Great video, good job!
Outside of ER and sekiro most of the games they make utilize the same gameplay loops and mechanics so you can’t really compare them to other devs who heavily change gameplay based on sequel
Most sequels don’t heavily change gameplay, while From does with it’s new IP. Hell even Dark Souls feels different from each other, DS1 slow and methodical, DS2 (Janky?? Hard to describe), DS3 much faster gameplay, it’s pretty fair to compare to other devs as most don’t do much for their game’s sequels.
@@ItchiestBum going from slow to fast gameplay isn’t a big change especially after waiting 5 years
@@Entertainment-ev6ob I’m assuming you’ve played DS1 and DS3, you should know that I was just simplifying it and the difference in gameplay is very much there, not just speed.
Didn’t the parent company possibly allude to Elden Ring 2?
From Soft literally creates the same game over and over again but adds something new.
They can call them different things if they want but with the exception of Armored Core and arguably Sekiro, they basically just make Dark Souls games.
After Dark Souls 2 Miyazaki was like, "We'll make it up to everyone with Dark Souls 3, but after that no more sequels"