The decision you make can determine fit, development and throw off timing. Making the journey much harder. A huge risk that can work, but be sure you're ready for the other side of that decision being a success.
Do one for Patrick McCaw, 2nd round pick which Jerry West said teams would be sorry they didn’t take him. Ghosted the Warriors after 2 chips to get more PT, got another chip and still no PT and been out of the league for 2 years.
No school or AAU club is going to develop your skills. Nowadays you have to take that matter into your own hands and have good management that will guide and direct you in your path.
@@grapplerkeyup it is imperative for kids and parents to look to invest in a solid skill development plan/skills coach cause many of these aau teams and even a lot of these high school teams know how to or even want to actually develop players and help them get better it's all about wins and highlights nowadays
@@johndavis9321 Can’t even blame the AAU teams and coaches. Players come and go and parents are crazy delusional these days. As a coach you have to do what’s best for your program, which is understandable. Having a separate developmental coach would be key.
This is the PERFECT example of a "Stunted Growth"; doesn't get any Realer! Thank you! T That said, I disagree with why Thornton didn't make it, notwithstanding what was presented in the vid as reasons. It comes down to desire and willingness to self-assess, and neither the player nor his Dad was willing to do that at any real point when the kid was in the national spotlight. Dad's fault for allowing Coach K's selfish pitch to reclassify become a reality instead of prioritizing the kid's HS interests (academics; McDonald's Game; HS All-American status). For Thorton's part, however, he couldn't run a play to save his life; all the HS footage on him is from the freewheeling summer circuit, where he fast breaked and downhill boogied to the rim, showcasing his open-floor game. At Duke, he struggled in their motion offense and only had the best game of his career vs VCU early in the season, where Coach K just let him go out and play to the tune of 22 or 23 pts, if I remember correctly. Looked just like his "Poor Man's Kyrie" days in HS. Thornton also didn't have the maturity to go to Coach K at season's end and ask why he failed and what it would take to succeed at Duke. No need to transfer, just Man Up and get better. The photo at 1:42 of him with all future NBA players, notably Brandon Ingram, is telling. Talent-wise, he was as good as, or better than all of them, but didn't have the mental game to go along with that ability. Stops at USC and BC were sorry spectacles; I wound up tuning out pretty fast but congratulate him for being a pro overseas wherever he is now.
College basketball is such a big decision these days . These guys peers can become millionaires and you can become a rec league player if you aren’t careful
Facts I lived that I’m 31 and never really had the opportunity and can still ball to this day but never had the proper supporting class but I was disciplined and easy to coach
Simple. He should’ve never reclassified. He may be in the NBA if he would’ve just stayed with his original class and continued to develop. Never really seen it work out for reclassifying except for Marvin Bagley and Kira Lewis.
You think Cooper Flagg gonna be alright after reclassification to come to Duke early? I think Flagg will shine and go on to be the #1 pick but time will tell.
Dior Johnson transferred to 12 high schools in his his school career which blows my mind 😮😮 how is that allowed? Overall Dior will make a great overseas player if he doesn't get drafted or picked up by nba team or g league team
It always seemed pretty simple to me. He didn’t want to put in the work. He wanted everything to be handed to him and, instead of fighting for his spot, he’d just leave and go somewhere else until they acquired more talent. Truly a shame and waste of talent.
@@USC_Papi It really can’t be anything else. So many athletes fall short of what they could have been because they’re lazy and entitled. Never had to work for anything due to their God-given talent. This kid is just one more in an already large group.
@@DiorInEveryStore Not even remotely close to true. Thornton left Duke after one year because Duke brought in Frank Jackson, who was a 5-Star Recruit and 10th in the ESPN 100. He left USC after he earned a starting spot once Jordan McLaughlin left for the NBA, but didn’t live up to his 5-Star expectations at a lower-tier program than his 1st. After he lost his starting spot at USC towards the end of the 18-19 season, He finally landed with a “bottom of the barrel” ACC school where he no longer had to compete, as quality athletes don’t actively choose to play for Boston College. In 4 years of college basketball, he never improved in any facet of his game. His only meaningful contributions came while leading bad basketball teams, where his efficiency continued to decrease as he went along. He left every situation in which he wasn’t handed exactly what he wanted. He clearly wanted to ride his 5-Star status to the League without actually having to put in the work. Happens all the time and he’s just one of many.
@Stunted Growth Great video. Didn't know nothing about this dude nor about Frank Jackson(S__t I forgot about him) If you haven't done him already I would like to see you do a video on the former Duke player Jalen Johnson, the guy that QUIT on his team during the COVID season & didn't give(he later admitted that nobody didn't need to know) a reason as to why he left the team too soon.
I enjoy watching for good reasons, they aren't busts as well not wasted talent, its just trials and tribulations happens. We don't know the real truth about these people situations at all. Just life experiences that's all.
Was rooting for him coming out of HS. Smooth game and had the IQ. But, yeah, came out too early. If you're going to reclassify, you gotta make sure that you're going to a program where you can be that guy.
You can blame Duke all you want but it was Thornton( and his family/dad) that didn't want to stick around Duke and get coached up and get better. He came to Duke and didn't perform like he thought he was gonna and blamed everyone but himself, he thought he was gonna go to USC and show out and show everyone Duke was the problem but as we all seen it was not Duke that was the problem. He should of stayed at Duke but he ran all the way to the other side of the country. I pulled for Thornton and have kept up with him every since he committed to Duke and im glad he's atleast getting to play the game he loves for a career. Oh and yes Thornton graduated from USC
The one dude who came out of Duke after JT went 2nd rd 31st. Not exactly guaranteed a spot in the league or even on the team roster, I’s bet a lot Of 2nd rd picks don’t make the team or make the team for a year or 2, maybe G League. Never heard of him tho. I don’t believe another year in high school guarantees anything as far as a better career goes. Nor do I think he was in college too early EXACTLY, even though hindsight can tell you it was a bad idea. I think the issue was not going to the right school the first time. Without a transfer portal it really set him back having to sit that season. Prob should have played overseas after freshmen year tbh because his first season at USC was the worst.
Hold up, he reclassified but he really went with his correct class, if people don’t notice by now then I’ll help, a lot of players play with kids a year younger than them to have physical advantages which this player did. He reclassified and was 18 so if he stayed in high school he would have been a 19 year old senior and 19 or 20 year old freshman, he just did was slot of players do which is play against younger players that u just have the luxury of time on your side but that becomes a detractor if you don’t take advantage of your advantages over younger players. He didn’t and now he is what he is.
That's what happens when the parents kill the golden goose before the golden is layed.... Father saw them💰 and figured skipping senior year would get his closer to NBA...... nope.
He's better than 60-70 players in the NBA right now big facts. He's still a good basketball player, most high God gives us different journeys and paths in life. I guarantee he'll a be a good play overseas big facts.
Great video!. However, if Derryck stayed at Duke for a second season it would have been the same year he wpuld have been a freshmen. They could have used him because thety didn't have a reliable point guard that season. He would have had one college year under his belt and with hard work he could have had a great second season at Duke. Also, Coach K would not have lost his job if DT didn't go there as you implied in your video.
I don't think he implied that Coach K would have lost his job if Thronton would have gone there. He was just speaking a realistic fact that you have to keep getting players and keep on winning. Coach K wasn't anywhere losing his job but he was only saying that no matter who you are you have to keep on winning.
The decision you make can determine fit, development and throw off timing. Making the journey much harder. A huge risk that can work, but be sure you're ready for the other side of that decision being a success.
Wonder what happen to diamond stone he was 5th on that list and the other top players
@@B3hoopzyooo this a good one bro
Need a SG on Dominic Artis out of the Bay Area (and Oregon and then UTEP fame), please!!
Do one for Patrick McCaw, 2nd round pick which Jerry West said teams would be sorry they didn’t take him. Ghosted the Warriors after 2 chips to get more PT, got another chip and still no PT and been out of the league for 2 years.
He was tuff 🔥🔥
@@730manijayno he wasn’t
3 schools in 5 years ? And stats got worse every year ? 🤦♂️. That means his age group caught up and passed him ….
No school or AAU club is going to develop your skills. Nowadays you have to take that matter into your own hands and have good management that will guide and direct you in your path.
@@grapplerkeyup it is imperative for kids and parents to look to invest in a solid skill development plan/skills coach cause many of these aau teams and even a lot of these high school teams know how to or even want to actually develop players and help them get better it's all about wins and highlights nowadays
@@johndavis9321 Can’t even blame the AAU teams and coaches. Players come and go and parents are crazy delusional these days. As a coach you have to do what’s best for your program, which is understandable. Having a separate developmental coach would be key.
Great video but why did you cut off the watermark at 5:26 ? 🤦🏻♂️
You forgot to mention his major injury at duke that actually set him back. He continued to have injury problems
You should do Jaylen hands!!!
This is an excellent choice.
This is the PERFECT example of a "Stunted Growth"; doesn't get any Realer! Thank you! T
That said, I disagree with why Thornton didn't make it, notwithstanding what was presented in the vid as reasons. It comes down to desire and willingness to self-assess, and neither the player nor his Dad was willing to do that at any real point when the kid was in the national spotlight. Dad's fault for allowing Coach K's selfish pitch to reclassify become a reality instead of prioritizing the kid's HS interests (academics; McDonald's Game; HS All-American status). For Thorton's part, however, he couldn't run a play to save his life; all the HS footage on him is from the freewheeling summer circuit, where he fast breaked and downhill boogied to the rim, showcasing his open-floor game. At Duke, he struggled in their motion offense and only had the best game of his career vs VCU early in the season, where Coach K just let him go out and play to the tune of 22 or 23 pts, if I remember correctly. Looked just like his "Poor Man's Kyrie" days in HS. Thornton also didn't have the maturity to go to Coach K at season's end and ask why he failed and what it would take to succeed at Duke. No need to transfer, just Man Up and get better.
The photo at 1:42 of him with all future NBA players, notably Brandon Ingram, is telling. Talent-wise, he was as good as, or better than all of them, but didn't have the mental game to go along with that ability. Stops at USC and BC were sorry spectacles; I wound up tuning out pretty fast but congratulate him for being a pro overseas wherever he is now.
College basketball is such a big decision these days . These guys peers can become millionaires and you can become a rec league player if you aren’t careful
Facts I lived that I’m 31 and never really had the opportunity and can still ball to this day but never had the proper supporting class but I was disciplined and easy to coach
Great stuff.. You should do one on Nick Johnson (Arizona) one of the most athletic cats coming out of High school.
True
Super Facto💯
Simple. He should’ve never reclassified. He may be in the NBA if he would’ve just stayed with his original class and continued to develop. Never really seen it work out for reclassifying except for Marvin Bagley and Kira Lewis.
Andrew wiggins too
You think Cooper Flagg gonna be alright after reclassification to come to Duke early? I think Flagg will shine and go on to be the #1 pick but time will tell.
Lamelo too. One of the greatest recesses of all time.
so well-produced - I'm always impressed by the quality.
Dior Johnson transferred to 12 high schools in his his school career which blows my mind 😮😮 how is that allowed? Overall Dior will make a great overseas player if he doesn't get drafted or picked up by nba team or g league team
@stuntedgrowth Hey man can you do one on Terrell Taylor of Bridgeport,CT went to Creighton with Kyle Korver
Haven't watched the video yet but the people you've made videos about recently are really good and interesting stories for sure.
"Timing, fit and development" 😮 BARS!!!
How about doing Zhaire Smith? Or a whole 76ers draft stunted growth…
That 76er’s one is a fire idea
Who was the last duke pg to have a successful nba career? Tyus Jones?
Tre jones, kyrie, Seth curry
that boy was cold asf in high school
Facts 💯
It always seemed pretty simple to me. He didn’t want to put in the work. He wanted everything to be handed to him and, instead of fighting for his spot, he’d just leave and go somewhere else until they acquired more talent. Truly a shame and waste of talent.
You don’t know that man that’s what’s wrong w/ you dweebs on the internet 😒
Just not the case
@@USC_Papi It really can’t be anything else. So many athletes fall short of what they could have been because they’re lazy and entitled. Never had to work for anything due to their God-given talent. This kid is just one more in an already large group.
@@youwontlikethistakeYall be comin up with these narratives based on a 10 minute video lmao
@@DiorInEveryStore Not even remotely close to true. Thornton left Duke after one year because Duke brought in Frank Jackson, who was a 5-Star Recruit and 10th in the ESPN 100. He left USC after he earned a starting spot once Jordan McLaughlin left for the NBA, but didn’t live up to his 5-Star expectations at a lower-tier program than his 1st. After he lost his starting spot at USC towards the end of the 18-19 season, He finally landed with a “bottom of the barrel” ACC school where he no longer had to compete, as quality athletes don’t actively choose to play for Boston College.
In 4 years of college basketball, he never improved in any facet of his game. His only meaningful contributions came while leading bad basketball teams, where his efficiency continued to decrease as he went along. He left every situation in which he wasn’t handed exactly what he wanted. He clearly wanted to ride his 5-Star status to the League without actually having to put in the work. Happens all the time and he’s just one of many.
@Stunted Growth
Great video. Didn't know nothing about this dude nor about Frank Jackson(S__t I forgot about him) If you haven't done him already I would like to see you do a video on the former Duke player Jalen Johnson, the guy that QUIT on his team during the COVID season & didn't give(he later admitted that nobody didn't need to know) a reason as to why he left the team too soon.
Could you please do Alex Poythress?
Also, can we get a Gabe York vid? 🤔
As a Duke fan, I rooted for him, but he wasn’t much of a leader like we thought he’d be. Glad to see him get a chance at a pro career nonetheless.
I’d like to see one done on Ricky Davis or Darius miles
All he did was reclassify to his original year. How much development could a 19-year old really get with an extra year in high school.
You should do John Henson from UNC !
I enjoy watching for good reasons, they aren't busts as well not wasted talent, its just trials and tribulations happens. We don't know the real truth about these people situations at all. Just life experiences that's all.
Was rooting for him coming out of HS. Smooth game and had the IQ. But, yeah, came out too early. If you're going to reclassify, you gotta make sure that you're going to a program where you can be that guy.
You should def do Malik Newman … still is one my favs ! Was in this class and was projected a top pick
can you please do Gerald Wallace
Would love to see a video on Sacha Killeya-Jones.
I remember him back when he was in junior high school
Shoutout to his pops who helped Granddad drop that Thugnificent diss track lmao
He ruined my day when he blocked that shot against UNC
Stunted Growth can you do a stunted growth on Jaylen Felton
You can blame Duke all you want but it was Thornton( and his family/dad) that didn't want to stick around Duke and get coached up and get better. He came to Duke and didn't perform like he thought he was gonna and blamed everyone but himself, he thought he was gonna go to USC and show out and show everyone Duke was the problem but as we all seen it was not Duke that was the problem. He should of stayed at Duke but he ran all the way to the other side of the country. I pulled for Thornton and have kept up with him every since he committed to Duke and im glad he's atleast getting to play the game he loves for a career. Oh and yes Thornton graduated from USC
2:00 in tho. Good lord lol
we need a Randolph Childress stunted growth he was cold him and Timmy Duncan on that Wake squad
No coach should ever advise a family to reclass their kid…because if it doesn’t work it they gonna be looking at the coach crazy
Gabe York or Nick Johnson next
The one dude who came out of Duke after JT went 2nd rd 31st. Not exactly guaranteed a spot in the league or even on the team roster, I’s bet a lot
Of 2nd rd picks don’t make the team or make the team for a year or 2, maybe G League. Never heard of him tho. I don’t believe another year in high school guarantees anything as far as a better career goes. Nor do I think he was in college too early EXACTLY, even though hindsight can tell you it was a bad idea. I think the issue was not going to the right school the first time. Without a transfer portal it really set him back having to sit that season. Prob should have played overseas after freshmen year tbh because his first season at USC was the worst.
Please do Tommy Mason Griffin next 🫡🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾
Do ron Mercer
Rawle alkins
He never got any better from high school. And Duke was the last to place to go for his type of game.
Should have did one on Frank Jackson, dude 25 and vanished from the scene.
I mean he was a second-round pick, second round picks usually don't last long unless they're special.
Do Mike Mercer.
I really him, he was Louis Williams team mate
@@couldbeanyone8174 yeah I know him too. He trains and coaches now.
He should of went to Michigan like he initially was going to do. They get terrible guidance.
Hold up, he reclassified but he really went with his correct class, if people don’t notice by now then I’ll help, a lot of players play with kids a year younger than them to have physical advantages which this player did. He reclassified and was 18 so if he stayed in high school he would have been a 19 year old senior and 19 or 20 year old freshman, he just did was slot of players do which is play against younger players that u just have the luxury of time on your side but that becomes a detractor if you don’t take advantage of your advantages over younger players. He didn’t and now he is what he is.
it was cuz that duke team was packed
That's what happens when the parents kill the golden goose before the golden is layed....
Father saw them💰 and figured skipping senior year would get his closer to NBA...... nope.
He's better than 60-70 players in the NBA right now big facts. He's still a good basketball player, most high God gives us different journeys and paths in life. I guarantee he'll a be a good play overseas big facts.
Great video!. However, if Derryck stayed at Duke for a second season it would have been the same year he wpuld have been a freshmen. They could have used him because thety didn't have a reliable point guard that season. He would have had one college year under his belt and with hard work he could have had a great second season at Duke. Also, Coach K would not have lost his job if DT didn't go there as you implied in your video.
I don't think he implied that Coach K would have lost his job if Thronton would have gone there. He was just speaking a realistic fact that you have to keep getting players and keep on winning. Coach K wasn't anywhere losing his job but he was only saying that no matter who you are you have to keep on winning.
He’s just not cut, not mentally tough enough…running from his problems
Jesus Christ makes anything possible!!
Do Ryan Harrow next.
If he was 18 as a junior then he realistically reclassed to his original correct class 🤷🏾♂️
We need a BJ Dawson from Michigan State