M2 Max is actually kind of insane?!

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    The new M2 Max MacBook Pro is finally here, and today we're going to put it through its paces to find out what Apple changed for this year. From a new 12 core CPU to a new 38 core GPU, plus 8K HDMI 2.1, better battery life, and more, this ought to be an interesting test. How much faster is the new M2 Max? How does the MacBook Pro's thermal system handle the increased performance? What drawbacks does the new MacBook have? All will be answered today!
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    time stamps
    0:00 intro
    2:48 Where does the extra performance come from?
    3:51 Does M2 Max thermal throttle?
    6:50 Blender performance
    7:56 3DMark Wildlife Extreme
    8:32 Final Cut Pro render test
    10:55 Gaming test
    12:02 SSD speed upgrade!
    12:18 Davinci Resolve
    12:47 Battery life testing!
    13:47 Conclusions!
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  • @synen
    @synen ปีที่แล้ว +226

    Thank you Luke for explaining to me that I should keep my M1 and forget about upgrades until 3 nanometer tech is here.

    • @fmt1890
      @fmt1890 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Unless you're getting a Mac Mini

    • @piotrd.4850
      @piotrd.4850 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      There's never reason to upgrade to next generation of Apple - it is good to skip at least THREE.

    • @YoutubeSupportOfficialUS
      @YoutubeSupportOfficialUS ปีที่แล้ว +11

      3nm is a brand, it’s not Actualy 3nm

    • @geoffstrickler
      @geoffstrickler ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Don’t take that as an absolute, but it’s a good recommendation for 90+% of users. For a small percentage of people, the M2, and especially the M2 Pro improvements will be worth the upgrade.
      Cost/benefit analysis. If the cost to upgrade (including time to copy all apps and data), less the value of trade-in/resale of old machine will be more than offset by the productivity increase of having a machine that is ~20% faster (10%-40%) for the next 9-12 months, then you should upgrade ASAP. If not, you should wait.

    • @matt2m
      @matt2m ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@piotrd.4850 unless you bought the last of the intel MacBooks. I’m so glad my gut said buy a nice tv. It delayed my purchase for 3 months and I bought a m1 MacBook Pro. I know myself if I went the other way and bought it I would have replaced it within the year.

  • @anshubhatia6609
    @anshubhatia6609 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video and just the kind of analysis I was looking for. If I had one of these, I'd run the fans hard while working on video editing or exporting video/audio. That could maybe help the laptops last longer.

  • @mayhem052
    @mayhem052 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    It would be interesting to do a battery test running the fans at stock, 50%, and maxed out while operating the same tasks.

    • @giorgos7six
      @giorgos7six ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi Mark, this reply we both got in our posts, is it a spam msg?

    • @tadhgd350
      @tadhgd350 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@giorgos7six yes

    • @giorgos7six
      @giorgos7six ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tadhgd350 doesn’t Luke reply, or fix this spam issue?

    • @acasualviewer5861
      @acasualviewer5861 ปีที่แล้ว

      if you increase the fan speed it will eat battery life faster. I think Apple sacrificed temp to keep battery life comparable to the M1.

    • @tadhgd350
      @tadhgd350 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@giorgos7six kinda hard to fix the spam issues

  • @walpoleandworcester
    @walpoleandworcester ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thanks for the heads up Luke about these chips and the tests you did! Can’t wait to see what M3 and beyond bring to the table.

    • @rrsharizam
      @rrsharizam ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not much I think except all the improvement will come from TSMC

  • @Bdog0820
    @Bdog0820 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Great video! One thing I wanted to point as for the 3dmark test. I think the frame rate is capped at the refresh rate of the display (120fps). I think that's why the test were so close. If you look at the graph displayed under the results you can see it's hitting that threshold.

  • @hi2656
    @hi2656 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Regarding the 3DMark test, the "small difference" seems to be because the absolute max score one could get is 20,000. Both machines are trying to achieve 120 fps during the entire test, which the M2 got incredibly close, while the M1 has a lot more drops in the frame rate. A better way to look at these scores would be, M1 Max: 18.79/20 vs. M2 Max: 19.91/20. I think that helps communicate how much better the M2 Max really is!

  • @eterr9000
    @eterr9000 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I have an intel MBP i9, and I have used it for 3d for five years now. 100 celcius is common, and yet everything still works just fine.

    • @framedthunder6436
      @framedthunder6436 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe a thermal paste change
      Would be great

  • @achaffer1237
    @achaffer1237 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Could the 120 fps cap on the wildlife extreme test be limiting the gpus? Maybe that's why the difference seems so small. From the graph it looked like both macs were hitting the 120 fps maximum other than a few dips.

    • @GordonLoJ
      @GordonLoJ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      about to comment this

  • @brucekennedy5274
    @brucekennedy5274 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    “Secret battery test whoooaah!” Haha that cracked me up. Luke you are such a natural presenter, its always a pleasure to watch your channel. Great useful review.

  • @theartistchair_
    @theartistchair_ ปีที่แล้ว +282

    These crazy and abritrary videos that are useless to the average person except for us small minority of people are why I’m subscribed to Luke Miani

    • @cheapme1850
      @cheapme1850 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lol, it’s like reading reviews on the new Z06…I’ll never have one but it’s fun to read about. I say this as someone who has a MBA M1 and a few MBA vintage 2012-2013.

    • @kateofone
      @kateofone ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Most people only need 64 gb ram

    • @tazzamund
      @tazzamund ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Super relevant to me - I’m deciding if I’ll upgrade. Thanks Luke

    • @Helios.vfx.
      @Helios.vfx. ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kateofone agree. Depends of the workflow but that's right

    • @brandoncrabtree7273
      @brandoncrabtree7273 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m sayinnnnn

  • @DieselDucy
    @DieselDucy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As always THANKS so much. What about the 14 inch M2 Max with 30 graphic cores? I am upgrading from a 2015 Core i7 quad core macbook pro. Will I notice a difference while using final cut?

  • @AD7Films
    @AD7Films ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow that’s awesome. I need to get a new laptop (my old one is from 2009, 17”), I keep procrastinating, nice work Luke!

  • @archetxt
    @archetxt ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Luke! Very comprehensive and well-edited, enjoyable watch, Thank you for posting high-quality reviews of the M2 Macbooks!

  • @jaketechie99
    @jaketechie99 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am buying the 16 inch M2 Pro with 32GB of RAM and 1TB of storage. Good video!

  • @goodh2o
    @goodh2o ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I would rather have lower temps and a little more fan noise. That's why I use TG Pro.

    • @lukemiani
      @lukemiani  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Same, I don’t like the idea that my SOC is just baking at 104C all the time

    • @m-stat9
      @m-stat9 ปีที่แล้ว

      fully agreed.

    • @alexblankenship7385
      @alexblankenship7385 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. I want to always get the most out of my cooling system and keep my temperatures as low as possible. Fans certainly have a purpose and they should be used.

    • @jbar_85
      @jbar_85 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah my Dell laptop has that option to adjust the fan speed and performance.

  • @KimberlyAlberts
    @KimberlyAlberts ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Got my M2 Max 16 last week and I am absolutely blown away. Granted, she did replace a 2017 MBP and a 2018 Mini, so I was easily impressed. My cat loves how hot it runs, too!

    • @Sirmellowman
      @Sirmellowman ปีที่แล้ว

      haha, careful though. kitty hairs and macbook fans dont mix well =D

    • @Teluric2
      @Teluric2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who would knew a new mac would be faster than 6 year old mac.?

  • @simongross3122
    @simongross3122 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The high temperature is a problem for me if the fans are audible. I'll be interested to see what happens with any upgrades to the mac studio.

  • @msaintmac
    @msaintmac ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting comparison.
    Regarding the GPU is looks like the improvement is mostly due to the number of cores and that the cores perform marginally better (

  • @bujin5455
    @bujin5455 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:00. It's worth noting that the rate of thermal transfer between two systems (say your CPU and the environment) is in large part controlled by the delta (difference) between those two systems. So by letting the chip run hotter, not only do you get less fan noise (because the fan is moving slower), but you actually get more cooling effect per CFM. Of course, there are other considerations as well, such as component life, but we just have to hope Apple knows what they're doing.

  • @Myoshin.
    @Myoshin. ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kinda glad I got an M1 MBP 16", heat is the enemy of laptops and my last Intel MBP suffered a swollen battery and screen problems due to the heat it generated.

    • @Myoshin.
      @Myoshin. ปีที่แล้ว

      @shaanz Yes they are a greedy company unfortunately

  • @andyH_England
    @andyH_England ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We saw with the M2 MB Air that Apple are confident that 108 degrees are acceptable for these chips to run at. I suspect they have tested them, and there are no long-term issues. Maybe, with the M1, they were overly careful as they were releasing ground-breaking products. So, I have no issues with the temp, and if I did, I would just run the fans at a higher RPM to lower them.
    Bearing that most of us rarely run at full load, the occasional 100% blowout will be fine.

    • @TheStopwatchGod
      @TheStopwatchGod ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe they capped the M1's because Apple had to prove the M1's were capable machines that didn't run super hot. That proving was already done, so with M2 they decided to push the silicon to it's limit. I assume they will do the same with M3

  • @asdf51501
    @asdf51501 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well, they did up the performance by 20-30%... and upped power usage by about the same. With the same cooling solutions and chassis, you get thermals to deal with. This is not at all to say that the M2 MBP is a bad machine, just that you either let it get hot, or use software to adjust the fan curve and possibly get a bit of extra noise.

    • @andyH_England
      @andyH_England ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, no big deal, and techies, the main viewers of videos like this, should not be worried about using a fan app to vary RPM!

  • @Mario00064
    @Mario00064 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Luke thank you. Could you possibly do one for the M2 Max 14" as well?

  • @davidraymond8994
    @davidraymond8994 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wouldn't even mind having a bit more fan noise when needed that is no problem with these units.

  • @watercannonscollaboration2281
    @watercannonscollaboration2281 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish I was there to see the launch reactions of the late 2013 to mid 2015 15in Retinas, because their generational differences are so minimal

  • @OscarCastillo1
    @OscarCastillo1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reviews typically say RAM has little to no factor in most tests whether plugged in or not, but I have the same M1 Max MBP with 64 GB and I get slightly more than 120fps and almost 20200 without messing around with any settings in Wild Life Extreme.

  • @Epicgamer_Mac
    @Epicgamer_Mac ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could you please do a video on the current 14 inch M2 Max vs last year’s 16 inch M1 Max? I’ve heard that the 14 inch form factor is more prone to throttling but I don’t know if I believe it. Also, how does the base/binned M2 Max with 30 GPU cores compare to the full-on M1 Max with 32 GPU cores? That would REALLY be interesting to see!
    Again, great vid Luke.

  • @BVDIH
    @BVDIH ปีที่แล้ว

    Luke, is there a real performance/thermal difference between 12/19 M2 Pro MacBook Air 14 and base model M2 Pro MacBook Pro 16 ? Considering buying M2 Pro model, but I’m torn between 14 and 16 inch
    I like how compact 14 inch is, but I love how cool and silent is 16 inch model
    It will be my main computer for work and daily use

  • @josehenriquematine5968
    @josehenriquematine5968 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your explanation about thermal throttle is on the point 👌🏼

  • @MiroPhotography
    @MiroPhotography ปีที่แล้ว

    THX Luke, like always you nailed it ... writing on my MBP 16" M2 Max. Your content is the most accurate ... never a waste of time, thx!

  • @AlexisBronchart
    @AlexisBronchart ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for all the tests and benchmarks! As a developer I’d love to see some numbers about compilation times in Xcode (totally random example).

  • @samitsrivastava4140
    @samitsrivastava4140 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you , this helps , i was wondering why my new M2Max (same config) 16” macbook pro was running hot

  • @BLAISEDAHL96
    @BLAISEDAHL96 ปีที่แล้ว

    12:48 the battery test twist ending and the “Whoaooaaoo” lololol

  • @remi.D
    @remi.D ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, about 3Dmark I think it's probably because it hit 120fps (screen refresh rate max ?), so because it stop at 120fps it cannot show when M2 should hit more than that. As you can see on the graph, it's almost flat on the M2max but fall lot more time on the M1.

  • @Sacto1654
    @Sacto1654 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd rather get an M2 Pro MacBook Pro (for now), if only to avoid the 108° C. temperature issue. Hopefully, Apple with the M3 MacBook Pro models redesign the case with both active fan cooling and passive vapor chamber cooling to keep the SoC running reasonably cool.

  • @daveh6356
    @daveh6356 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Benchmarks are still suboptimal almost across the board for Apple Silicon so expect temps, fan noise & scores to increase as time goes by as developers get to grips with tile memory & Maxon updates Cinebench with the current Embree library.
    3D Mark appears to need some work (where are the power draw figures?) but Gfxbench is quite optimal and showing fair scaling - it was the raster 3D benchmark which showed the M1 Ultra 64 outperforming the RTX3090 (you had to look into the figures).

    • @daveh6356
      @daveh6356 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@garrusvakarian8709 valid and the 3D Mark graph clearly shows the cap. I was more concerned with Cinebench (old libraries) and Geekbench compute which is only scaling to 2.8x rather than 4.75x GPU core count (GPU compute should scale well) - can't recall if he does GB though.

  • @MasterStix
    @MasterStix ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful review man. Super detailed and very informative for those (like myself) trying to upgrade their macs. May I ask if you ever did a review on the Apple Card or Best Buy card cuz I'm thinking of going that way towards a new mac

    • @jbar_85
      @jbar_85 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did the Apple Card.

    • @MasterStix
      @MasterStix ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jbar_85 any dilemmas getting it? And how is the payment plans going for you on it?

  • @nicolaselhani
    @nicolaselhani ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The TG Pro tip for setting fan speed is absolutely invaluable thanks a lot for that! Strange decision from Apple to let the chips get so hot

    • @acasualviewer5861
      @acasualviewer5861 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      its a heat vs battery life/noise tradeoff.

  • @jbar_85
    @jbar_85 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a M1 MacBook Air. I got it a year and a month ago. I have never got it to warm. What’s crazy is that have never gotten it warm. I mainly use for home use and some work from home when I leave my work laptop at the office. It’s been a nice little machine, especially when not using Safari. 🤣

  • @bmwloco
    @bmwloco ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This old i7 running Ventura was $180. And your videos look fine on it. Laughing all the way to the bank...

  • @ericchang7759
    @ericchang7759 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Helpful review-clarifies why I might go M2 Max over M1 Max for my first Apple silicon Mac purchase!

  • @creamz.
    @creamz. ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey! Love the video, I was just wondering, what app do u use to edit these videos!
    Thanks!

  • @jp46614
    @jp46614 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    100 degrees c?? My ryzen 7 which is known for running very hot only peaks 85 degrees c at max 💀

  • @denvera1g1
    @denvera1g1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did i see correctly that the M2 Max has a beefier heat pipe solution than the M1 Max?
    Good deal, now it just needs a slightly larger heat sink stack so the fans can disipate more heat for the same airflow

  • @DAVISION-YT
    @DAVISION-YT ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! I was looking for someone who can tell me if the SSD also got slower like in the 512GB Model, thanks for clarification and the nice Review!

  • @sooryasrajan619
    @sooryasrajan619 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you add a link to the background on your M1 Max MacBook Pro? I really love it!

  • @wendym599
    @wendym599 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review. Thanks for telling me about the Best Buy upgrade program. It sounds like a hassle free way to upgrade!

    • @stevenedwardyoung
      @stevenedwardyoung ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dude, the “$43 per month then $439 after 3 years” means you pay $3279 for a $1900 machine. Run away from “deals” like this like they’re the plague.

  • @user-qo9oy4re5e
    @user-qo9oy4re5e ปีที่แล้ว

    A really nice and useful review! Thank you!

  • @JeffDoehring
    @JeffDoehring ปีที่แล้ว

    We just upgraded everyone to M1 MB Airs, and 2 M1 iMacs last year so there is no need to upgrade at this point. I am noticing the line between Pro and non Pro in the Apple ecosystem is getting more and more defined. For the average user, there would be no issues with the base models.

  • @joesjourney145
    @joesjourney145 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you turn on the temperature readings in the top bar?

  • @feutastisch
    @feutastisch ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where can we find the wallpaper? 😃

  • @trebor1745
    @trebor1745 ปีที่แล้ว

    Luke; another outstanding video.
    Re The 16" 2021MBP M1Pro chip: how does one turn on the fans? I just want to hear them run to see what all the hubbub is all about, and I've never overworked it. THX ! Bob

    • @trebor1745
      @trebor1745 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TELEGREM_Thelukemiani........ I see in other comments that there seems to be a fan toggle somewhere in settings. Hints?

  • @heroofjustice3349
    @heroofjustice3349 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think its all about how amazing TSMC manufacturing node is. It clearly looks that chip manufactured by TSMC can easily handle temperatures higher than Intel processors. Its not only Apple - Ryzen 7000 processors also run very hot and AMD told directly that those chips are fine with 90C+ temperatures. If two biggest companies using TSMC 5nm fabs are saying this then I think its safe to assume that its fine as long as those temps dont make laptop too warm to use.

  • @jeremypope-levison721
    @jeremypope-levison721 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does this overheating, or high temperature problem happen while simply editing? Like if you're cutting an interview, color grading, adding motion graphics, etc.? Or is it just heating up a lot under video export?

    • @melvargarcera04
      @melvargarcera04 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi it is heating, im using m2 max to esit video usi g premiere pro

  • @ryanzmuda3167
    @ryanzmuda3167 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that a good idea for long term. How can you control the Mac fans manually

  • @KamiKitsuneVA
    @KamiKitsuneVA ปีที่แล้ว

    Any comparison benchmarks of these and the Mac Studio models?

  • @ithrial
    @ithrial ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love to see Logic Pro X Audio track tests across the ecosystem as well

  • @michaelharrington4675
    @michaelharrington4675 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks I just bought today the baseline M2 Max 14" MacBook Pro with 2 TB today to upgrade from my M1 Mac mini. and planning to dock the computer at home. I am so excited!!

    • @Makta972
      @Makta972 ปีที่แล้ว

      How do you like the 14 ''? How's the battery life and fan noise ? Do you have 30c or 38c?

  • @localpie2435
    @localpie2435 ปีที่แล้ว

    What app did you use to look at the CPU temps and control the fan speeds?

  • @BojanHaronMarkicevic
    @BojanHaronMarkicevic ปีที่แล้ว

    What app do you use to monitor temperature and fans? As on 3:27

  • @gurugamer8632
    @gurugamer8632 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve ordered the 14” MBP - M2 Max 30c GPU - 32GB - 1TB… I hope it is fine with editing videos professionally with resolutions up to 6K.

  • @Mooooooof
    @Mooooooof ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Used 14 & 16 M1 Pro mbp are really great deals at the moment. Way cheaper for not much less performance

    • @NaterooAE
      @NaterooAE ปีที่แล้ว

      Any tips on where to find these deals?

  • @Notacet
    @Notacet ปีที่แล้ว

    Look at that 3D mark graph, it’s clearly capping at 120fps (maximum screen refresh rate). So the reason the gain is so small is that we’ve reached the limit of that benchmark, unless it can be unlocked, I think.

  • @AlFuentes
    @AlFuentes ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I told my partner how much I liked this review, and she said, “I could fall asleep right now.” Lol. (she was sitting next to me while I was watching it.) don’t take a personal Luke. She thinks all tech videos are boring.

  • @McpCosmO
    @McpCosmO ปีที่แล้ว

    so the best thing to do is get TGpro and set a custom 20% higher vent curve to be on the m1 temp level? right

  • @tipoomaster
    @tipoomaster ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MadOnion was not founded in 1997 to be called a little iPhone benchmark🤣

  • @emilsaren1736
    @emilsaren1736 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think people who are buying the 512gb macbook, and want to transfer large files are more often using external ssd. I in fact have an external storage and copying large files from the internal would be faster with faster internal ssd. But I get Lukes opinion as well!

    • @zenova9926
      @zenova9926 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nope nope..., internal ssd is crucial for system such as swap memory

  • @aryapraagya
    @aryapraagya 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what would be the best convenient solution for fan control or fan curves??

  • @nyc90
    @nyc90 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You know what would be a useful M2 Max video? One without a click bait title.

  • @framedthunder6436
    @framedthunder6436 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kinda weird why Apple hasn't increase the cooling performance?

  • @juantricea4601
    @juantricea4601 ปีที่แล้ว

    14:28 how do you set your fan speed?

  • @benjamming883
    @benjamming883 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As someone who really wants a quiet, long battery life, high build quality powerful media and CAD computer. But saving money is quite a big commitment, should I get an M1 pro 16, m2, or something else?

  • @ravellavenkatsubbaiah4957
    @ravellavenkatsubbaiah4957 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi bro some needed suggestion wanted to purchase gaming laptop from only apple product is it worth in terms of lag or heat issues?

  • @karemalbash5020
    @karemalbash5020 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you make some benchmarks, how the M2 MAX will perform in low power mode? That might give less temperature on the chip, but still a great performance.

  • @davidsherman3462
    @davidsherman3462 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you use a 3rd party heat sink pad to reduce the heat?

  • @bandysc
    @bandysc ปีที่แล้ว +27

    This is an actually USEFUL video indeed. I would love to see the same comparison between 14" M1 MAX vs 14" M2 MAX vs 14" PRO, battery-life, thermals and throttling wise :)

  • @DJXRetro
    @DJXRetro ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is a terminal command for Mac that I use all the time on intel machines that will tell you if the cpu is throttling and how much it is throttling. I have not tried it on Apple silicon yet but it should still work.

    • @dawidpalen
      @dawidpalen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And what’s the command, please?

    • @DJXRetro
      @DJXRetro ปีที่แล้ว +3

      pmset -g thermlog

  • @tongtong1566
    @tongtong1566 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Do you think 32gb of ram is enough for your usage 4-5 years down the road?

    • @supergewoon
      @supergewoon ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would say yes, depending on the use case. I myself edit a lot of television commercials and even with a lot of footage, grades and composites it’s stil runs great. I don’t think video footage wil become a lot bigger/heavier in the next 5 years. If you do a lot of 3D work I would say go with 64GB. Also the Mac Ram works great in combination with your SSD, so the low priority stuff like opens tabs wil be pushed onto the SSD in a seamless way.

    • @paulwilliams4274
      @paulwilliams4274 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      640K of RAM should be good enough for anyone

  • @giorgos7six
    @giorgos7six ปีที่แล้ว

    What about benchmarks on how each chip works with apps like Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign?

  • @weok-doing-things
    @weok-doing-things ปีที่แล้ว

    You can try to throttle this CPU by doing CPU and GPU benchmark rendering at the same time. I wonder how it will perform

  • @lsmocyclist
    @lsmocyclist ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So Luke, are these M2 Macs worth buying over the M1s ? Let's say I don't have either. Would you consider waiting for the M3 chips?

    • @lukemiani
      @lukemiani  ปีที่แล้ว

      TBH the M2 stuff is great, but if you're not in a rush I think M3 might be worth the wait!

  • @leonardojara3209
    @leonardojara3209 ปีที่แล้ว

    great comparison, can u compare on game like resident evil village for gpu differences bt ?

  • @SilentShadow-ss5xp
    @SilentShadow-ss5xp ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sure Apple has done the testing and likely knows that 110c is fine for the chips long term. Silicon can handle quite high temps before suffering damage. modern chips can easily run at 110c all day every day for years and be fine. However I would personally like more headroom or at least a turbo fans option that turns them on at 80c and maintains a temp below 95c.

  • @The1Weapon
    @The1Weapon ปีที่แล้ว +11

    On the thermals issue, it seems like the biggest problem with running them so hot so long is lessened hardware durability.

    • @meislit9217
      @meislit9217 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Is it though? I'm not saying it isn't, I don't know! But it seems to me like no one really knows and nobody ever really tested to see if there's actually any truth to that.
      If there has been proper testing documented on this please let know! I'm very open to read it and be convinced otherwise, but I'm annoyed at everybody stating the durability thing as if it was a fact.

    • @timrault
      @timrault ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@meislit9217 I was wondering about the same thing, is it really a problem to have the chips run at those temperatures ? If the chip's lifespan still achieves let's say about 15 years that's probably enough. Weren't they managing temperatures the same way with Intel processors ? And I don't think the CPUs were known to fail ? Like you I genuinely don't know, but I would assume that Apple kinda knows what they're doing (although sometimes they make mistakes for sure)

    • @QualityDoggo
      @QualityDoggo ปีที่แล้ว

      Apple doesn't want people to keep their devices very long anyways... hmm... convenient :/

    • @meislit9217
      @meislit9217 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@timrault yeah it totally was the case with intel too and has been for over a decade, which seems to indicate it not being much of an issue otherwise macbooks would be failing left and right. Also it's also almost literally the same for virtually every Laptop no matter the manufacturer.
      To me it seems like the tech geek/nerd community, that likes to obsess and babysit their devices anyways has found a thing to be worried about. And now all of a sudden it's taken as a fact that hight temps are terrible. Fueled by tons of speculation rumors like the other guy here in this comment.
      But then again I don't really know for a fact either.

    • @meislit9217
      @meislit9217 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@QualityDoggo apple also wouldn't want their devices to have a bad reputation, especially since with their own chips now it would go even more towards their name. So you're argument is as invalid as mine and doesn't prove anything it's just plain basic pointless speculation.
      Also high temps have been a thing for years now, and chip failures don't seem to be all that common. (Look at the comment above)

  • @tryggviedwald1542
    @tryggviedwald1542 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is all fine and good, the M2 Max MBPs are incredibly impressive. But there is still a huge portion of popular scientific software packages that won’t run on the Mx architectures. The GPUs would be wonderful to use with Tensorflow, for instance, but TF is a pain to install on Mx, and the versions lag behind the cutting edge from Google. Some of us will only admire these technological marvels from afar, not being able to use them in our research - for a few more years, perhaps.

    • @andyH_England
      @andyH_England ปีที่แล้ว

      True, Apple Silicon is two-years-old, and it will take a while for it to catch up with X86 software coverage. That is to be expected, and as you imply, the Macs are fantastic if they support your software, but not ready yet if they don't.

    • @Teluric2
      @Teluric2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@andyH_EnglandNo. Because many software package needs beefy gpu that macs dont have.
      Blackmagic took few time to make a M1 version of davinci. If companies are not made M1 versions is because companies dont like

  • @JoaoAlves-ce1fi
    @JoaoAlves-ce1fi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What app do you use to show the CPU temp and ram/cpu usage on the top bar?????

    • @PhuNguyen-my9un
      @PhuNguyen-my9un ปีที่แล้ว

      Istat

    • @JoaoAlves-ce1fi
      @JoaoAlves-ce1fi ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhuNguyen-my9un is there any decent free app that does the same thing?

  • @TheRealMafoo
    @TheRealMafoo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree with Apple. 99% of the time you are not going to be maxing all the cores, and definitely not for a sustained amount of time. You might compile for a few seconds, or spend 10 minutes outputting a video. High temps every once in a while won't hurt anything.

  • @markjones8121
    @markjones8121 ปีที่แล้ว

    Legend, great review, this looks nice for sure.

  • @initium5421
    @initium5421 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank god they are actually pushing these chips, cooling was amazing on my 16in M1 Pro max and was a bit mad they didn’t push the performance to the max

  • @dontpokethebear3893
    @dontpokethebear3893 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this still true of the M2 Max on 14"? I've seen games run way slower on the 14" M2 Max vs the 16" M2 Max. Can I increase fan speed on the 14" M2 Max to match performance with the 16" M2 Max? And if so, to what degree? Will the fans be ludicrously loud if I want to match the 16" M2 Max at whisper quiet fan speeds?

  • @adderalll
    @adderalll ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the video but one mistake you made is in the graphs where you showed Performace, Temperatuee and Fan Speed you made them all percentages. The temperature was supposed to be degrees Celcius not percentage.

  • @HakonBroderLund
    @HakonBroderLund ปีที่แล้ว

    Please do a more tricky resolve test by adding noise reduction on the clips and see how many fps you can get in real-time playback

  • @pauljazzman408
    @pauljazzman408 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review of the M2 Max MacBook. Impressive M2 performance. I would worry about the longterm effects of running at 103ºC. Won't that degrade the processors or something? Still, as you say you can just run the fans. Or you could buy and M1 Pro. Or the M2 Mac Pro Mac mini which I think has more bang for buck. But what about reports of even the 512Gb ssd being slower than the M1 pro MacBook! What!

    • @pauljazzman408
      @pauljazzman408 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Garrus Vakarian ok what about the wires and connectors aren't the plastic coating going to degrade?

    • @pauljazzman408
      @pauljazzman408 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Garrus Vakarian yes I guess the outside of the case IR camera shots some have taken show it lower than 103ºC

    • @pauljazzman408
      @pauljazzman408 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Garrus Vakarian its about 44ºC according to Maxtech's thermal camera

  • @christopherp.8485
    @christopherp.8485 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm pleased with the battery life of these machines. That's very good.

  • @CoolCrescent186
    @CoolCrescent186 ปีที่แล้ว

    About your comment on temperature; fans pegged at 100% and temperatures in the mid 90's. This only applies to the high end of the market. My mid-range laptop maxes out @75C on average, nothing I can do can make it push 83, ever (flaming NVMe, blitzed CPU/GPU/RAM). This is with one fan. Though a higher end chip would push more temperature easily.

  • @Jerome-iwnl
    @Jerome-iwnl ปีที่แล้ว

    Software needs to keep up with the insane hardware we’re now getting.
    Graphics are getting insanely fast.
    Processors both for mobile and desktop are also getting insanely fast. iPhones have the equivalent of i7’s from just a few years ago 😮

  • @kid_rajah
    @kid_rajah ปีที่แล้ว

    So I have a 2010 MacBook Pro 13inch Nvidia Geforce 16GB ram, 1TB SSD. I am looking to get a 13inch MacBook Pro with 16GB Unified, 1TB SSD, M1 or an M2 14inch because I don't really need the touch bar. I need help choosing because all the hype was unified last year with the M1 but this year everyone is demoing the M2 and sticking with the M1. I am a music producer so I just need the internal ssd for program stuff as I use external ssd's to save projects. I need a recommendation to last the next 10 years.

  • @collinlove
    @collinlove ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice overview of the thermal situation. Something I find odd is that certain tech channels (I've seen LTT do it) freak out about these high temperatures and say they'll reduce longevity. But is there any actual evidence of these 100C temps reducing longevity or causing any real harm to Macs whatsoever? Not that I've seen.

    • @rrsharizam
      @rrsharizam ปีที่แล้ว +8

      A higher temperature will always reduce longevity. That's not a debate really 🤦‍♀️

    • @KhoaNguyen-sy6np
      @KhoaNguyen-sy6np ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rrsharizam
      Source?

    • @MrLuigi-oi7gm
      @MrLuigi-oi7gm ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rrsharizam I believe Collin was asking for actual experimental data to back up people's intuition that heat reduces longevity. Until that data can be supplied, folks are just offering their unsubstantiated opinions. I mean, here's an unsubstantiated opinion. Perhaps Apple has done rigorous tests on the M series chips and found they can run at higher temperatures without a compromise in longevity. Thus, the software engineers have been told to let them run at higher temperatures and lower fan speeds. Who knows? Could be true. Maybe not. Be wary of things that seem to make sense...at least, until someone shows you the numbers. History has shown us on many, many occasions that nature is trickier than we realize.

    • @rrsharizam
      @rrsharizam ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrLuigi-oi7gm Apple might have done its own testing and concluded that it is within their own acceptable limit. But to say that higher temperature does not affect longevity is straight up insane. Its life might be reduced by a few seconds, or minutes, or months, who knows? But the point is higher temperature will always reduce the longevity to a certain degree

    • @Carlos970
      @Carlos970 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@KhoaNguyen-sy6np So, this is ordinary law of thermodynamics and physics... The heat will slowly cook the components, even if the SoC can handle those temps, the components around will suffer from the heat produced. You can put a chicken in the oven at 120 degrees, and it will slow cook for 7-8 hours, or, you can set the oven at 370 degrees and have it done in an hour. Believe it or not, the same concept applies to computer. Things will toast over time, even if the computer is running at 54 degrees all the time... Thats why is not a debate. The true question should be, how high temps the other components can handle and for how long until is broken.

  • @ylanstockholm
    @ylanstockholm ปีที่แล้ว

    I really can't understand how they can run hotter when they seemingly draw less power. Is it only with "normal" use they draw less?
    Humbly, Ylan

  • @MikeOstrovljanovic
    @MikeOstrovljanovic ปีที่แล้ว

    hi thanks for this. just one question do you see any difference between a 16" and 14" M2 Max 38C ? I mean performance wise. screen obviously is 2 inch bigger :)

    • @harrison00xXx
      @harrison00xXx ปีที่แล้ว +1

      better sound, the 16“ is more practical on the lap (better stand and especially better keyboard feeling), the 16“ is a long runner on battery and can charge an iPad and iPhone all day long besides being used as well.
      16“ just give more value for the money and the screen size is so much more usable.
      Even 16“ is for serious work questionable but doable, the 14“ is just slightly better than a Netbook or a bigger iPad when it comes to screen size.
      and performance wise yes, the 16“ has more mass and bigger fans so its noticable more silent than the 14“ with the same load. In long term the M2 Max also begin to throttle slightly on the 14“ but that has to be ridicilous load on all/most components to 100% which is close to impossible.
      so it stays more or less at the fact the 16“ runs cooler and/or more silent than the 14“ but all M2s are „hot“ boys.
      i really prefer my M1 Pro in 16“, more than enough performance for my needs and some years

    • @MikeOstrovljanovic
      @MikeOstrovljanovic ปีที่แล้ว

      @@harrison00xXx thanks for your reply!!! much appreciated. I am having a M1 MacBook Pro and it's really really good but I am finding its limits while video editing and after effects usage. that's why I am considering the m2 max.