Cuz it's cheaper since you can use any screen while the iMac has a screen built in so it's obviously more expensive, if you don't have an Apple display the Mac Mini will be better value even with the magic peripherals
Obviously. You can personalize the mini with the monitor, keyboard, and mouse that you want and Can change them anytime. Also the price of the mini is cheaper.
The iMac’s allure is the all in one set up. One power cable is all that is needed. Some people and businesses prefer that for a cleaner look. Also less power outlets used. More efficient.
The fact that the mini is upgradable, and your monitor does not become useless when some hardware in your computer becomes outdated makes it the winner. It really annoys me that my 2019 imac has a screen that is just as good as the modern imac, but it is useless because it is chained to the outdated computing parts. They should have made the imac a mac mini that docks onto a monitor.
There was a third party solution that designed a circuit board that made an upgrade logic board manage the iMac. It was sold in Australia and I don’t think it was successful. That might be a lot easier now with 3D printers.
@@Patricia-kk8tr There were several hacks where people surgically implanted a Mini motherboard into the carcass of an iMac - I think Luke did a video on it. World's most elaborate upgrade, and that was with the old Intel Macs.
The mini isn't actually upgradeable. The storage is a separate module but it's still cryptographically locked to the SOC. The only way you can upgrade the storage is by desoldering the nand chips and soldering on higher capacity ones to keep the lockchip onboard untouched... It's absurd to call that upgradable. I personally don't view storage as a real limit though, external drives and network storage has so many options, just pick what suits you. Even cloud if you're a complete maniac who loves subscriptions. You're right thought, It would be really nice if apple was Framework ™️ and you could just buy the new board for your existing system.
The Mac mini M4 combined with an 42" LG OLED C4 is the large screen (i)Mac. Every well-assorted household should have both a 24" iMac and a 5-inch Mac mini anyway.
Apple claiming to care about the environment and touting carbon neutrality on the new M4 Mac Mini while discontinuing TARGET DISPLAY MODE is inexcusable! That feature would enable eventual re-use of iMac displays as standalone displays for any future computer you may get... like with a M10 Mac Mini down the line. Shame on you Apple!
@ Use your iMac as a display with target display mode Target display mode is a feature available with certain older Mac models. No alt supplied for Image The following older iMac models can be used as an external display when plugged into another older Mac model. iMac models introduced in 2011, 2012, 2013, and mid 2014 To use any of these iMac models as an external display: The iMac used as a display must have macOS High Sierra or earlier installed. The other Mac that you're connecting it to must have been introduced in 2019 or earlier and have macOS Catalina or earlier installed. The cable connecting the two Mac computers must be a ThunderboltThunderbolt or Thunderbolt 2Thunderbolt 2 cable. 24-inch and 27-inch iMac models introduced in 2009 and 2010 To use any of these iMac models as an external display: The iMac used as a display must have macOS High Sierra or earlier installed. The other Mac that you're connecting it to must have been introduced in 2019 or earlier and have macOS Catalina or earlier installed. The cable connecting the two Mac computers must be a Mini DisplayPortDisplayPort cable. How to use target display mode Make sure that your iMac is started up and meets the system requirements above. Make sure that the other Mac is started up and logged in to a macOS user account. Connect the two computers using the appropriate Mini DisplayPort or Thunderbolt cable. You can use more than one iMac as a display, if each iMac is using a Thunderbolt cable to connect directly to a Thunderbolt port on the other Mac (not the other iMac). Press Command-F2 on the keyboard of the iMac. You should now see the desktop of the other Mac. To exit target display mode, press Command-F2 again. Or disconnect the cable, or restart either Mac. Apps that were open on your iMac when entering target display mode remain open in target display mode. For example, if you begin playing music on your iMac and then enter target display mode, the music doesn't pause on your iMac.
Basically I bought a new M4 Mini to replace my 4 year old M1 Mini and transferred all the accessories, sold my M1 machine the next day. The net cost was just £205 to upgrade. Base 16/256 M4 Mac Mini, with Apple Magic Mouse and Keyboards. An external 1TB Seacuda NVME in an Orico Thunderbolt 3 case. 2nd hand 2018 Dell S2718D 2516*1440 Ultra thin Monitor. My eyes can’t cope with any smaller pixels… Took around 90 minutes to move over using the Seacuda backup.
Mini with Dell S2722QC (4k HDR) monitor, keyboard, mouse, and optional webcam. The Dell is currently $250, so it’s about $200 less than the BenQ Luke recommended. I’m a big fan of the BenQ monitors, but these Dell monitors are also very good. Definitely a better value than the iMac, maybe spend the savings on a 512GB SSD or 24GB RAM, depending on your needs. Personally, I’m going to wait until 3rd party SSD upgrades are available before I buy. Also, I already have monitors, keyboard, and mouse on a KVM with my 2018 Mac Mini, PC, and work computer so no rush and no need (nor space for) an iMac.
@@mex5341 BS. 1. I have “perfect” color vision. I calibrate monitors without the need of a colorimeter. You’re subjectively full of crap. 2. Look at the delta-E for these monitors. You’re objectively full of crap.
I traded up from an 16” M1 Max (that was desk-bound) to the top-spec M4 Pro Mac Mini to run Motion Graphics (among other design tasks). No regrets… except for the nostalgia factor of owning a slice of history with that M1 transition.
My setup. M4 Mac mini $1099nzd. Used Thunderbolt Display $150nzd. New in box old stock Magic Mouse 2 and Magic Keyboard 2 from a school supply store $85nz. $1334nzd. That’s $1165 cheaper than the base model iMac here.
@@allmyownvideo the iMac Pro dead too the Mac studio with pro display XDR 32 inch replace it the rumors have been around for 2 years still nothing (I miss the big iMacs)
I already had a Mac mini, an M1 with 16GB memory and 512GB storage, This was attached to a Satechi dock/hub with a 1TB SSD in it, USB condenser mic, Insta 360 Link 4k webcam and Apple Studio Display. I chose the M4 Mac mini opting for 24GB memory and 1TB storage. I still use the Satechi dock/hub thing and am experimenting with using the Mac mini inverted with the power button effectively on the right rear corner at the top. Inverting it doesn't seem to affect the internal temperature.
If you are looking at these two Macs you already know which one you want. They are specifically designed for two very different types of Mac users. I'm that third type of Mac users who doesn't have desk space for either of these so I'm sticking with the M1 MacBook Air that I bought last year because this is the last MacBook Air that actually LOOKS like a MacBook Air. I feel this is the pinnacle of the MacBook Air design. Maybe I'll wait for the M6 before I upgrade.
I've had three iMacs. The first, from '08, is a trooper; still truckin' along doing homely work. The second died at six years. The third works, but crashes frequently and is super balky at booting. My Mac guy has tried to fix it, but no dice. He threw up his hands last time in frustration. So there's a new Mini in my future, with a nice 4k display.
Just been advising a not-particularly-geeky friend trying to choose between a new iMac and a new Mac Mini. She really wanted a 27" display, and (less rationally) really wanted an Apple display, so was prepared (and able) to spend a lot more to buy the Mac Mini with the Apple Studio display. I'm glad to learn that she also gets better performance and better thermal behaviour (and more ports) with this choice.
I chose iMac! If you need great screen, speakers, speed, all-in-one-compact-aesthetic-really-nice-looking package. What are going to place on your desk in the middle of the room - plastic Dell monitor with many black cables? :) There are simply no alternatives for 24" 4.5K great looking, compact display with just one nice cable attached.
Yeah I agree that screen is killer add in the peripherals built in camera and speakers add a small dock with built in storage and a few extra ports makes the iMac a great choice.
The iMac is a nice buy in a certain context. But the problem with it is that it is significantly pricier than the M4 MM with a cheaper 4K monitor (even Dell has nice options below 300usd like that S2722QC). Then you probably already have a keyboard and mouse, at least I do. Granted the iMac has nice integrated speakers, center stage camera, mic, great screen (albeit small in my opinion), but for the price of the iMac I can the best of both worlds which is buy a base MBA (ok, still M3, but with M4 next march/april) that also as great screen, webcam, mic, speakers etc. and a 4K 27” monitor. And in this case I have the versatility of the MM (wel, kinda, you need dongles 😂) and the portability of a laptop. The MM makes the sacrifice of not having portability (albeit not as bad as the iMac) but at least it’s cheap. I find the iMac interesting, but has the problem of not having neither the price or the portability of other options.
The iMac is a nice buy in a certain context. But the problem with it is that it is significantly pricier than the M4 MM with a cheaper 4K monitor (even Dell has nice options below 300usd like that S2722QC). Then you probably already have a keyboard and mouse, at least I do. Granted the iMac has nice integrated speakers, center stage camera, mic, great screen (albeit small in my opinion), but for the price of the iMac I can the best of both worlds which is buy a base MBA (ok, still M3, but with M4 next march/april) that also as great screen, webcam, mic, speakers etc. and a 4K 27” monitor. And in this case I have the versatility of the MM (well, kinda, you need dongles 😂) and the portability of a laptop. The MM makes the sacrifice of not having portability (albeit not as bad as the iMac) but at least it’s cheap. I find the iMac interesting, but has the problem of not having neither the price or the portability of other options. And at least in my country the iMac stars at a price that is double the price of the M4 MM plus a cheap 4K monitor. I know, this doesnt included a magic Magic Keyboard and a Magic Mouse, but still. And the Dell monitors have speakers, although worse than the iMac.
@@DustyKingyes, the iMac monitor is also better with better colors and brightness. I didn’t say it was the best option for everyone, but also another problem with iMacs if you look at the past is the fact that the monitors life largely surpasses the life of the internals. Also another win for the the external monitor option. I have monitors with more than 10 years still working just fine.
After going from a 27 inch Intel iMac to an M1 Mac mini with a 32 inch display, I was in a similar conundrum; and in the end I chose the M4 iMac (not the base model though I wasn't that bothered by the cores - having touchid like my MacBook was a must). For me, the iMac feels like more than the sum of its parts, and it's so nice to have something packaged so well, so attractive with decent sound. I love the touchid on the keyboard; although I have an Apple Watch Ultra, the unlocking with the watch on the M1 mini was quite hit and miss. I have tried connecting my 32 inch screen, though now it looks quite ugly beside the gorgeous iMac.
I’m a teacher and I plan to buy a Mac mini M4 next summer during “back to school”. I will pair it with my 2015 iMac 27” for its beautiful screen with Luna display. It’s cheaper than buying a 5K display.
Still rocking a 27 inch 2010 iMac with Linux/SSD. Works pretty great for light tasks, even the GPU acceleration works and can play multiple 4K TH-cam vids easily.
I still can't get around the white bezels on the iMac. My ideal setup with the two products shown today would be the Mac Mini, the magic keyboard with numpad and touch id in black, magic trackpad in black (I do not like the magic mouse), and the Studio Display. If I can include other Apple products and money is no issue, I would switch to the rumored M4 Ultra Studio and 4 Pro Display XDRs.
But the OLED screen I prefer is much more expensive than what I'm willing to pay. And it doesn't even come with the necessary HDMI 2.1 cable. And I might need an extra soundbar as well. To have everything included in one package of decent quality is a great offer.
You might have forgotten it but the base model iMac has a single fan that is NOT connected directly to the heatsink on the chip, like the 2018-2020 MacBook Air models. That's why the temperature doesn't drop much even if you max out the fan. The higher-end models have 2 fans that are directly connected to the heatsink, so the cooling solution is much more effective.
That's interesting - I really hope @LukeMiani does a video comparing the base model M4 iMac against the higher models - that would be interesting to see!
@@johnchandy7101 I think the difference will be similar to the difference between the base iMac and the base Mac mini, as the higher-end iMac has the same specs as the base Mac mini and the Mac mini has similarly effective cooling.
Made the switch to external monitors when Apple nix'd the iMac Pro. Glad I did, now I can swap the base unit out and I'm good to go. Waiting for the Studio M4 Max.
Luke, I upgraded from a Mac Mini M2 setup with a Samsung 32” M8 smart monitor and a Samsung 28” monitor, both 4K. Also had a Magic Mouse and Magic Keyboards (both sizes), and Edifier desktop speakers. The M4 Mac Mini I chose was the 24 GB Ram w/ 512 GB storage option for $999 … kinda. After an education discount of $100, and trading in my M2 Mac Mini, my net cost was about $590. Of course, the key is the education discount (anyone can get it by just asking, though I’m a legitimate higher ed math instructor), the trade-in of the old device, and already owned peripherals.
A point lost in this would be the Fruit Mini allows you to purchase a system at your current budget, but you could later upgrade to a much larger and better screen later. And I love my logi mx keyboard which I use for three different computers including my closed lid 2012 13 inch Macbook Pro.
I currently travel with a M2 Pro Mac mini with a 22” 1440p “travel” display packed in a pelican air case along with other audio gear. The constant setup and tear down has me looking at this iMac as a replacement for the road. 1 less power cable and 1 less display connector goes a long way lol. And now the M4 is a capable chip for I do it seems feasible now.
Luke once again shows why he is the only HONEST Fruit Fly when discussing Fruit products. Most are bloviating about what might be coming next (and wrong about it); Luke lives in realville.
Not sure what companies you’ve worked at Luke, but every company I have worked for used laptops and docking stations. All-in-one’s don’t work well if employees need to or want to work remotely. It also means the office set up is flexible; no employee is tied to a specific desk.
Great video thanks! I'm considering either the mac mini ($800CDN) with my current Dell 2721QS (4k, 60hz, 158ppi) 27" monitor or getting an iMac (mostly to get the 4.5K display, higher PPI and speakers) for $1700 CDN (or $1900 CDN for the mid range iMac that actually matches the processor/core specs of the mini) and I have 2 questions for you: I do really basic video editing in Movavi for a TH-cam channel, vids just filmed with an iPhone. I play in a band, and may start taking home recording more seriously in Garageband (maybe Logic Pro one day). The videos aren't action shots or anything, just reviews on music & recording gear etc. Do you think I will notice/benefit from the better monitor & speakers enough to justify the $$$? Or am I better off sticking with my Dell monitor, and getting a MINI (maybe bump up the SSD to 512 and still only be out $1049 CDN) and still saving almost $1000? Would appreciate your thoughts!
I'd pair it with a 27" QHD+, 100 hz, 350+ nits touch screen monitor, cheap keyboard and mouse and a vesa mount adaptor to stick this mini to the back of the monitor, perfect setuo imo
i bought a 4k lg for my mac mini m1 which has 300 nits and 60 hz for 250 euros (including shipping). i wanted it for my 4k player which sits in front of it, but as i saw its HDR capabilities don't function well unfortunately!!!
I’ve just pulled the trigger on the base m4 mini, but with 24GB Ram (£799). Coming from an old 27” iMac (2010). Keeping my keyboard/mouse. Bought a 27” 4K Dell monitor (S2722QC - £260 on a deal price), a 2TB M.2 drive (Crucial gen 4 P310) with Thunderbolt 4 enclosure (Graugear 40Gbps) (Home and Applications to go on that), and a 4TB usbc storage drive for Time Machine. All in (based in UK) that came to £1350. Now all I need to do is make it last the 14 years the iMac did…
I just bought a M4 Mac Mini with 512 GB of storage and 24 GB of RAM for $110 off retail from Amazon (discount + coupon). I also earn 5% on my Amazon credit card, which is about another $50 perk. Happy with my purchase. Can't wait to get crackin' on my computer.
Hi Luke, thank you for this video. For me it is the Mac Mini. Mini allows for more powerful SOC (14/20) and more RAM (64) to form a powerhouse. You can pair up a nice 32" BenQ 4K monitor and have a powerful pro class set up for about $3K. The iMac all maxed out is at $2.5K and you have a less capable machine, half the RAM and limited to 24" monitor.
@@bennym1956 I understand but 512GB would be sufficient for the OS and apps? I normally store all my files/projects on a different drive on my old PC, as a safety measure if the OS drive corrupts for whatever reason.
@@borremoonkey I usually get the 1TB SSD. My work files are all on external drives anyway. Perhaps 512 is enough but I usually keep my machines for 6-8 years. It is not a bad idea to have some extra SSD space just incase.
I got the m4 iMac with 24 gb as a stopgap till the m4 max Mac Studio is released ... When using final cut, it is using swap memory about 700mb !! ... the computer is pretty good but screen too small and it's the base m4 chip ...
I'd love to get a mac mini, but i've seen so many people complain about scaling issues with a lot of external monitors. For me, the iMac makes the most sense I think.
Another advantage of the Mini comes in is you make an investment in the keyboard/mouse/display and even speakers but then in the future when you are ready to upgrade you don't have to purchase those again. Or of course if you already own those now.
That’s only the case because Apple can’t offer top tier displays in their iMacs anymore. In the past you got a better computer and a better display. And you needed one to run the other. It was an advantage they both came in one package, because they belonged together. But nowadays the very best displays are so expensive that they would absolutely destroy the price of an iMac. Especially the large iMac.
I’ve paired my new Mac Mini (base model) with 28.5 inch Samsung 4K monitor (£150), wired backlit numerical keyboard (£24), old AA battery Magic Mouse and 1TB m.2 thunderbolt 4 enclosure (£74) - super happy with it!
Looking at your example Mac Mini setup, there should be a hole cutout in the lower portion of the Studio Display stand so you can place the Mac Mini on the base of the monitor and run you cables directly out the back.
I have a 27” IMac which I run with a second 27” Acer monitor, the problem with the new models is 24” display, as I’m in my senior years I can’t use the Magic Mouse for long periods, the fingers start to become uncomfortable so I have a chunkier orthopaedic wireless mouse. The Magic Keyboard is ok but I do prefer a full sized keyboard. So it looks like a Mac Mini for me with the full spec chip.
My 2020 M1 Mac 512 Gb mini drives 2 x 23” monitors, boots from an external 2 TB drive and basically runs cool at 48C. I’m mostly using the latest Pro Tools but Davinci Resolve also runs at the same temp. I have not heard fan noise in 4 years.
Even as an IT guy, the Mac Mini is actually the much simpler choice, the only additional item is a monitor and connecting that to the Mac Mini via USB C or HDMI is pretty much a one step process. And for all future upgrades, and there will be future upgrades, it's a simple 600$ upgrade to just replace the Mac Mini, most of the peripherals (keyboard, mouse, screen, speakers/headphones) can last up to 5-6 years in an office setup. I cannot imagine any company budgeting to replace the iMac every 2 years as opposed to the Mac Minis
Thanks. Gotta replace my wifes antique 2008 Imac that's getting slow and can't be updated apparently so this video was great. Glad you mentioned alternative monitors for the mini since I think that's the way I'm going to go.
I had an M1 iMac, brilliant machine but that 27inch Studio display and M4 mini was a worthy upgrade,,I think reality is neither the iMac or mini would be a wrong choice. Both very nice products.
brilliant video absolutely spot on . For me I purchased my first Apple computer ( I've had iPads and phones for years) my first Apple computer about two years ago A imac M1 don't get me wrong I've enjoyed having it and it still does what I need to do , at times it does struggle with doing photography imagery or video . Knowing what i know now and I didn't know two years ago I wish I purchased a separate screen and keyboard option . now I would like to have the Mac mini M4 but I also have to purchase a screen as you have mentioned .... I'm also waiting for the new M4 studio to be released to see if it's just worth hanging on for a moment ... thanks for the video 10/10 ❤
The easy choice was made for me. Only 24” screen on iMac these days. I’m upgrading from my old late 2014 5K 27” iMac. I can’t go back from a 5K 27” screen. But, it also means an expensive upgrade to go to Mac Mini + Studio Display. If they still did 27” iMac it’d be a smoother upgrade path!
I just bought the mini with 1tb and tbh it’s worth every penny I don’t have that big of a desk and I’m able to conceal it so I have the necessary space for paperwork. I was fortunate enough that my uncle gave me his monitor that he doesn’t use anymore and all I did was buy the keyboard and the accessories
I'm having the same consideration right now. Am leaning more towards the Mini because I already have that setup now with a 68 cm monitor. However, the iMac has a sharper display and is a cleaner setup.
I have a 27" I5 iMac from 2019. I love the "All In One" solution because it takes less space on my tiny desktop. I would like to upgrade to a new iMac, but only 4 USBC/Lightning Ports and no SD Card Slot is a no go for me. The only option is a mac Studio - but it's too expensive for my use. Sorry Apple :(
There’s actually a case for both. If you want the convenience of having everything in one package and working out of the box the iMac is for you. However if you prefer to have some customization in choosing your own accessories the Mini is the better option. It really boils down to a matter of personal preference and application.
I wonder if iMacs still have the "dust" issue on the display?I had it twice on 27" and at the end I bought replacement panel and put display controller board.Now I can connect the M4 mac mini and still have the 27" retina display without "dust".This was the only way.Cheers
i currently have an iMac pro with its 5K screen. and i really like it. BUT... it's an intel and it's getting to be time to replace it. you didn't say it in so many words when you said you couls hook up your dell monitor to the mac mini, but we all kinda know... monitors will outlive the computers they're attached to. it kinda ticks me off that i'll have to trash my 5K screen when i replace the computer (unless juicy crumb comes up wit a conversion kit for the iMac Pro). as a result, i don't ever think i'll but another iMac. the modular nature of the mac mini is preferable, at least to me.
The issue for me as a Logic user is that both units aren't very compelling. Logic doesn't use the efficiency cores so an M4 Pro chip is required for decent performance.
I had a 27" iMac for many years and loved it. Just updated and because I wanted to retain a 27" screen the decision was easy. Shame because I definitely prefer the integration of the iMac
For me it was bugging me that each time the iMac was on its last legs as a computer I was scrapping a perfectly good monitor. Then by not doing a 27inch it convinced me to have a look at the Mini. To leave the iMac behind can be expensive, but long term will be way cheaper. I went from the iBook to the iMac because the iMac was a great value, now not so much.
I installed a fan control on my m4 mini pro and just run the fans at 20 percent past 65c and it never gets past 75c playing games. Before it would go to 90c and it is still wisper quiet.
Mac Mini M4 setup is Gigabyte 34 ultrawide monitor, M4 512 ssd 16gb ram Mx Keyboard and Ergo Trackball... works great...plus with the KVM on the monitor I can use the mouse/trackball and monitor for the i7 Nuc I have......works for me.
sorry for big iMac fan (me too) but apple said that the 27 inch imac will never come back probably replaced by the mac mini and the studio display 27 inch and imac pro is replaced by the studio display XDR 32 inch with mac studio/mac pro
Honestly what I’d do is likely get the Thunderbolt Display and the 1st gen Magic Mouse and aluminum keyboard. The ones with AA batteries. Then pair them with the M4 mini
i’ve been using an M4 mac mini for the past 2 weeks now to replace an old 2018 13” i7 MBP that i kept at my desk, and it’s been perfect for powering my dual monitor setup. i already had the whole setup in place, so buying the imac wouldv’ve been a waste for me (plus i wouldn’t want to shrink from my 32” main monitor)
I picked up an M4 iMac with the 24GB RAM and 512GB storage. I upgraded from a 2019 27" intel iMac. I do miss the big display compared to the old iMac. My only other issue is that this iMac will eject my external disks quite regularly on it's own. Sometimes I have to reboot to get them back on line. Those are important as with 512GB of storage it would not take very long to filler up. Hopefully that problem works itself out. It's also disheartening when Apple longer offers the color matching options on the numbered magic keyboards, and trackpad. I use the trackpad WAY more than the mouse. While trivial, I also miss the Apple logo on the front of the machine too. That however can be rectified. In all it's fast, and quiet, and works well. I just have to work out the kinks.
@@bennym1956 I mean more MY kinks than the machines. IE: Figuring out how everything works, and it's total capabilities. Coming from intel the fact that some items I used before may not work with Apple Silicon, and figuring ways around that if possible. Those are the kinks I'm talking about.
Thanks for the video, always amazing content! Do you know that there is actually 3rd party storage options coming out as you hinted at in the video for the Mac MIni's?
Two major points have not been mentioned - there are 5 ports on the mini vs 2 on the iMac, and, of course, each time you buy a new iMac, you buy a new keyboard, a new mouse and a new monitor whereas a new mini costs only €700. For a first-time buyer the iMac is more price-sensitive but in the long run the mini wins.
IF you are considering the m4 iMac or the m4 Mac mini, you are not looking at the binned m4 but rather the equivalent chipset. This is the though choice, are you okay with the all-in-screen? are you okay potentially going down from a 27" display, are you ok with it being less portable, are you okay with slight less ports and so on. Anyways, nice video and I do appreciate the comparison!
Prosumer question. If you could only upgrade one thing on the base model m4 mac mini, either upgrade to the 512GB storage or the 24GB of unified memory, which would it be? I already have an iMac for daily use, but I wan't the mac mini strictly as prosumer home studio computer with minimal software on it, just software to do audio production including using software instruments (with Logic Pro, Protools, Kontakt), occasional video editing with Final Cut (4k footage, but mostly rendering out to 1080P video e.g, a music film clip) and photo editing with Affinity Photo. I have external ssd storage to edit from, the mac mini will only host the Applications. Edit: I have a intel based 2017 iMac that I'm upgrading from, sick of seeing the beach ball!
Can you make a video about m1 macbook air vs m4 mac mini? Im having trouble in which one i would pick? They’re about the same price here in my country. I already have a work laptop but want to try mac. I mostly do coding and consume content but also want to do light video/photo editing in the future.
Use an M1 mac mini with a 4K Samsung display of 28,5" with a Logitech mechanical keyboard and an MS Master 3 mouse which I can use with 3 different devices. Simply love it.
I have M1 Mac mini having 16GB RAM, using for Music Production professionally and my internal storage is almost filled. Do I need to upgrade to M4 Pro Mac mini or M4 Mac mini with more RAM and SSD or do I need to wait for M4 Max Mac Studio ?
My setup comparison would not be the base models, because the storage is inadequate and in the case of the iMac Touch ID doesn’t come on the binned chips for some reason. So comparing straight across the board as much as possible with All Apple products it would be. iMac 16GB/1TB with 10 core CPU 10 core GPU $1,899 Vs. Mac Mini 16/1TB with 10 core CPU 10 core GPU $999 + Studio Display $1,599 + Magic Mouse $99 Magic Keyboard with Touch ID $149 Total $2,846 So the iMac setup is more expensive, is not an all in one but it is modular. The fact that the storage is removable at this point is a big nothing because there nothing to replace it with, unless Dos Dude does it for you. The upside with the mini setup is a larger 27” screen, but I’m OK with the 24” size, been using one since 2020 and honestly it fine.
I'm seriously considering the iMac, as it has a great display built in. I think the Mini makes sense if you already own a 5K display. But for those of us who don't, the iMac is very tempting.
I’m still getting the Mini and studio display. My logic is I am amortizing the display across this purchase and my next Mac Mini 3-4 years down the road. Then the math makes better sense.
If you do absolute basic stuff, maybe in a store or something and you want it to look fancy and be all in one and you don't see the need to upgrade for years, probably iMac, but the Mac Mini is way cheaper to upgrade down the line, because you can just keep the expensive screen. You can also carry it around and hook it up to other screens. If you want to get down to the iMac price you also could check some used Studio Displays, they're going for way less than new.
I'm having to make this exact decision to replace my 2015 iMac, and I very much wish the iMac had an M4 Pro option. And did I miss something, or is the possibility mentioned in the cost comparisons that a user might already have a keyboard and mouse from their previous setup?
When you already have monitor, mouse/trackpad, and keyboard, it's a no-brainer. When you have an empty desk, the question is, how concerned are you, really, about cutting 8-minute video renders down to 6 minutes? The iMac is the way to go for most consumers - it will do everything you ask it to do, and do it faster than any computer you've ever owned. Plug in an external 1TB ssd, and the base model is all you'll ever need to run rings around the average tower PC. The only thing it lacks is a large screen, which can be important for document creation. (I need two 32" monitors, so it's a Mini on my desk.) The colors are cool, and look great in the ads, but I do wonder what fraction of real-world desks are _not_ pushed up against a wall.
I would pick the iMac but in upgraded format. If it has to last 4 years, I would get 32Gb of RAM in it. Since it sits in a well lit office, I might opt for the nano texture. Yes, I could maybe save a little bit going with the M4M. The cohesiveness of an iMac still has a dear spot in my mind and heart.
The choice is easy, it depends on your situation, for me the Mac Mini was the way to go as I already have 2 x Dell 27" 1440P monitors, logitech wireless keyboard and mouse so I have no need for the screen (very nice as it is) the keyboard or the mouse (which I hate). Obviously for someone starting from scratch the iMac is the better option.
I have always loved the form factor of the iMac but I just cannot have a 24 inch screen. Even tho 4.5k at 24" is nicer in PPI than my 4K at 27", 24" is just not enough space for me. Honestly though 4.5K LCD bright panel with the keyboard and mouse and an M4 for $1299 is a great deal tbh
if it is to put a 60 HZ screen on the mini, (does it goes higher?) it is worth going to any good FHD pc screen, you have awesome ones for 150$, even 32" models for 250$. same for the PC keyboard amd mose, you get either a better but also a cheaper one that makes the Mini worth. Also a cheap mini is fine but a waxed out version has no sens compared to a high end pc.
If you already have a mac mini set up its a no brainer, im still using a 2012 21.5 imac booting off a T5 external SSD and apart from the odd wheel of death its still doing everything I need, when I have to upgrade it will be another imac and I presume like going from a horse and cart to a space shuttle?
Cheap dead 27 inch imac 5k with the adaptor to turn it into a monitor, m4 pro mac mini and any keyboard and mouse, probably still under 2k. Killer setup that.
I JUST DON'T GET IT... was thinking of getting the Mac Mini but then I have to get a monitor (Studio) that's overpriced AND has a crappy camera? Going with the M4 iMac... thanks for this video. You nailed it bud!
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TL;DR, he thinks the better choice is the mac mini
Cuz it's cheaper since you can use any screen while the iMac has a screen built in so it's obviously more expensive, if you don't have an Apple display the Mac Mini will be better value even with the magic peripherals
really? he told us that companies are buying 250 imacs!!!!
😮
Obviously. You can personalize the mini with the monitor, keyboard, and mouse that you want and Can change them anytime. Also the price of the mini is cheaper.
The iMac’s allure is the all in one set up. One power cable is all that is needed. Some people and businesses prefer that for a cleaner look. Also less power outlets used. More efficient.
The fact that the mini is upgradable, and your monitor does not become useless when some hardware in your computer becomes outdated makes it the winner. It really annoys me that my 2019 imac has a screen that is just as good as the modern imac, but it is useless because it is chained to the outdated computing parts. They should have made the imac a mac mini that docks onto a monitor.
There was a third party solution that designed a circuit board that made an upgrade logic board manage the iMac. It was sold in Australia and I don’t think it was successful. That might be a lot easier now with 3D printers.
@@Patricia-kk8tr There were several hacks where people surgically implanted a Mini motherboard into the carcass of an iMac - I think Luke did a video on it. World's most elaborate upgrade, and that was with the old Intel Macs.
You can still plug it into an external display
The mini isn't actually upgradeable. The storage is a separate module but it's still cryptographically locked to the SOC.
The only way you can upgrade the storage is by desoldering the nand chips and soldering on higher capacity ones to keep the lockchip onboard untouched... It's absurd to call that upgradable.
I personally don't view storage as a real limit though, external drives and network storage has so many options, just pick what suits you. Even cloud if you're a complete maniac who loves subscriptions.
You're right thought, It would be really nice if apple was Framework ™️ and you could just buy the new board for your existing system.
Really wish they would give us a larger iMac 24 inches is too small.
It really is, 27inch would be better, but I’ve even moved on from 27inch by now
I heard M4 iMac will get a Pro and Max models in a 32" setup maybe in 2025.
@@AdmiralCecil dead imac pro will never come back to be replaced by the mac pro / mac studio with the studio display XDR which is 32 inches
What the mfs want is you to buy the Mini and display studio
The Mac mini M4 combined with an 42" LG OLED C4 is the large screen (i)Mac. Every well-assorted household should have both a 24" iMac and a 5-inch Mac mini anyway.
Apple claiming to care about the environment and touting carbon neutrality on the new M4 Mac Mini while discontinuing TARGET DISPLAY MODE is inexcusable! That feature would enable eventual re-use of iMac displays as standalone displays for any future computer you may get... like with a M10 Mac Mini down the line. Shame on you Apple!
Darn Right!
What’s target display mode?
@@nicolasrulli Allowed you to use an Imac screen as a beautiful external monitor for an external computer. Eliminated by Apple.
@ Use your iMac as a display with target display mode
Target display mode is a feature available with certain older Mac models.
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The following older iMac models can be used as an external display when plugged into another older Mac model.
iMac models introduced in 2011, 2012, 2013, and mid 2014
To use any of these iMac models as an external display:
The iMac used as a display must have macOS High Sierra or earlier installed.
The other Mac that you're connecting it to must have been introduced in 2019 or earlier and have macOS Catalina or earlier installed.
The cable connecting the two Mac computers must be a ThunderboltThunderbolt or Thunderbolt 2Thunderbolt 2 cable.
24-inch and 27-inch iMac models introduced in 2009 and 2010
To use any of these iMac models as an external display:
The iMac used as a display must have macOS High Sierra or earlier installed.
The other Mac that you're connecting it to must have been introduced in 2019 or earlier and have macOS Catalina or earlier installed.
The cable connecting the two Mac computers must be a Mini DisplayPortDisplayPort cable.
How to use target display mode
Make sure that your iMac is started up and meets the system requirements above.
Make sure that the other Mac is started up and logged in to a macOS user account.
Connect the two computers using the appropriate Mini DisplayPort or Thunderbolt cable.
You can use more than one iMac as a display, if each iMac is using a Thunderbolt cable to connect directly to a Thunderbolt port on the other Mac (not the other iMac).
Press Command-F2 on the keyboard of the iMac. You should now see the desktop of the other Mac.
To exit target display mode, press Command-F2 again. Or disconnect the cable, or restart either Mac.
Apps that were open on your iMac when entering target display mode remain open in target display mode. For example, if you begin playing music on your iMac and then enter target display mode, the music doesn't pause on your iMac.
There is third party software just to replace that kind of thing
Basically I bought a new M4 Mini to replace my 4 year old M1 Mini and transferred all the accessories, sold my M1 machine the next day. The net cost was just £205 to upgrade.
Base 16/256 M4 Mac Mini, with Apple Magic Mouse and Keyboards. An external 1TB Seacuda NVME in an Orico Thunderbolt 3 case. 2nd hand 2018 Dell S2718D 2516*1440 Ultra thin Monitor. My eyes can’t cope with any smaller pixels…
Took around 90 minutes to move over using the Seacuda backup.
Wonder who the hell is that guy that can’t spend 205 pounds more to buy a better upgrade and opt for soon to be outdated hardware.
What's the transfer process like? I'm considering doing this for mine. Is there a built in migration utility like for iphones?
Mini with Dell S2722QC (4k HDR) monitor, keyboard, mouse, and optional webcam. The Dell is currently $250, so it’s about $200 less than the BenQ Luke recommended. I’m a big fan of the BenQ monitors, but these Dell monitors are also very good. Definitely a better value than the iMac, maybe spend the savings on a 512GB SSD or 24GB RAM, depending on your needs.
Personally, I’m going to wait until 3rd party SSD upgrades are available before I buy. Also, I already have monitors, keyboard, and mouse on a KVM with my 2018 Mac Mini, PC, and work computer so no rush and no need (nor space for) an iMac.
There are several oled monitors on sale for $400-500 over Black Friday. Substantially better than the studio monitor.
these monitors are crap if we speak about true colors and sRGB .
@@mex5341 BS.
1. I have “perfect” color vision. I calibrate monitors without the need of a colorimeter. You’re subjectively full of crap.
2. Look at the delta-E for these monitors. You’re objectively full of crap.
@@geoffstrickler keep believing , lol
I traded up from an 16” M1 Max (that was desk-bound) to the top-spec M4 Pro Mac Mini to run Motion Graphics (among other design tasks). No regrets… except for the nostalgia factor of owning a slice of history with that M1 transition.
how has the gpu performance been? I have an 14" M1 Pro, but I'm waiting on the studio with the m4 max.
I still use a 2018 15” MBP with the Coffee Lake 6 core as my daily. 😅
My setup. M4 Mac mini $1099nzd. Used Thunderbolt Display $150nzd. New in box old stock Magic Mouse 2 and Magic Keyboard 2 from a school supply store $85nz. $1334nzd. That’s $1165 cheaper than the base model iMac here.
It is too bad they don't offer this as 27'' model as well
dead for ever sorry I want too but the studio display replace it according to apple
@@TechGameDev 27 may be dead but rumours of a 30 inch being close to release, maybe mid 2025
@@allmyownvideo the iMac Pro dead too the Mac studio with pro display XDR 32 inch replace it the rumors have been around for 2 years still nothing (I miss the big iMacs)
@@allmyownvideo Rumors.....
We definitely need a 28-32" option with M4 Pro. I don't get why it hasn't happened yet.
I already had a Mac mini, an M1 with 16GB memory and 512GB storage, This was attached to a Satechi dock/hub with a 1TB SSD in it, USB condenser mic, Insta 360 Link 4k webcam and Apple Studio Display. I chose the M4 Mac mini opting for 24GB memory and 1TB storage. I still use the Satechi dock/hub thing and am experimenting with using the Mac mini inverted with the power button effectively on the right rear corner at the top. Inverting it doesn't seem to affect the internal temperature.
If you are looking at these two Macs you already know which one you want.
They are specifically designed for two very different types of Mac users.
I'm that third type of Mac users who doesn't have desk space for either of these so I'm sticking with the M1 MacBook Air that I bought last year because this is the last MacBook Air that actually LOOKS like a MacBook Air.
I feel this is the pinnacle of the MacBook Air design.
Maybe I'll wait for the M6 before I upgrade.
The post-M1 MacBook Air looks far better IRL than the pics & vids. I was initially reluctant for the same reason as you but I actually quite like it.
I've had three iMacs. The first, from '08, is a trooper; still truckin' along doing homely work. The second died at six years. The third works, but crashes frequently and is super balky at booting. My Mac guy has tried to fix it, but no dice. He threw up his hands last time in frustration. So there's a new Mini in my future, with a nice 4k display.
Just been advising a not-particularly-geeky friend trying to choose between a new iMac and a new Mac Mini. She really wanted a 27" display, and (less rationally) really wanted an Apple display, so was prepared (and able) to spend a lot more to buy the Mac Mini with the Apple Studio display. I'm glad to learn that she also gets better performance and better thermal behaviour (and more ports) with this choice.
I got the orange iMac. Basic model. The best iMac I’ve ever used. Love the all in one desktop.
I chose iMac! If you need great screen, speakers, speed, all-in-one-compact-aesthetic-really-nice-looking package. What are going to place on your desk in the middle of the room - plastic Dell monitor with many black cables? :) There are simply no alternatives for 24" 4.5K great looking, compact display with just one nice cable attached.
Yeah I agree that screen is killer add in the peripherals built in camera and speakers add a small dock with built in storage and a few extra ports makes the iMac a great choice.
The iMac is a nice buy in a certain context. But the problem with it is that it is significantly pricier than the M4 MM with a cheaper 4K monitor (even Dell has nice options below 300usd like that S2722QC). Then you probably already have a keyboard and mouse, at least I do. Granted the iMac has nice integrated speakers, center stage camera, mic, great screen (albeit small in my opinion), but for the price of the iMac I can the best of both worlds which is buy a base MBA (ok, still M3, but with M4 next march/april) that also as great screen, webcam, mic, speakers etc. and a 4K 27” monitor. And in this case I have the versatility of the MM (wel, kinda, you need dongles 😂) and the portability of a laptop. The MM makes the sacrifice of not having portability (albeit not as bad as the iMac) but at least it’s cheap. I find the iMac interesting, but has the problem of not having neither the price or the portability of other options.
The iMac is a nice buy in a certain context. But the problem with it is that it is significantly pricier than the M4 MM with a cheaper 4K monitor (even Dell has nice options below 300usd like that S2722QC). Then you probably already have a keyboard and mouse, at least I do. Granted the iMac has nice integrated speakers, center stage camera, mic, great screen (albeit small in my opinion), but for the price of the iMac I can the best of both worlds which is buy a base MBA (ok, still M3, but with M4 next march/april) that also as great screen, webcam, mic, speakers etc. and a 4K 27” monitor. And in this case I have the versatility of the MM (well, kinda, you need dongles 😂) and the portability of a laptop. The MM makes the sacrifice of not having portability (albeit not as bad as the iMac) but at least it’s cheap. I find the iMac interesting, but has the problem of not having neither the price or the portability of other options. And at least in my country the iMac stars at a price that is double the price of the M4 MM plus a cheap 4K monitor. I know, this doesnt included a magic Magic Keyboard and a Magic Mouse, but still. And the Dell monitors have speakers, although worse than the iMac.
@@L0p3sdell monitor is made of cheap plastic tho. The Dell monitor is not made of aluminum whereas the iMac is fully made of premium aluminum.
@@DustyKingyes, the iMac monitor is also better with better colors and brightness. I didn’t say it was the best option for everyone, but also another problem with iMacs if you look at the past is the fact that the monitors life largely surpasses the life of the internals. Also another win for the the external monitor option. I have monitors with more than 10 years still working just fine.
After going from a 27 inch Intel iMac to an M1 Mac mini with a 32 inch display, I was in a similar conundrum; and in the end I chose the M4 iMac (not the base model though I wasn't that bothered by the cores - having touchid like my MacBook was a must). For me, the iMac feels like more than the sum of its parts, and it's so nice to have something packaged so well, so attractive with decent sound. I love the touchid on the keyboard; although I have an Apple Watch Ultra, the unlocking with the watch on the M1 mini was quite hit and miss. I have tried connecting my 32 inch screen, though now it looks quite ugly beside the gorgeous iMac.
I’m a teacher and I plan to buy a Mac mini M4 next summer during “back to school”. I will pair it with my 2015 iMac 27” for its beautiful screen with Luna display. It’s cheaper than buying a 5K display.
If the Luna display works great, I would consider doing that with my 2017 iMac.
How does the Mac Mini M4 compare to the iMac 10 Core with the same RAM? Identical?
Yes.
I was a 27” iMac user and cant go back to a smaller screen. So I got a Mac mini m4 pro with a 32 inches 4k oled 240hz Alienware monitor 😊
Still rocking a 27 inch 2010 iMac with Linux/SSD. Works pretty great for light tasks, even the GPU acceleration works and can play multiple 4K TH-cam vids easily.
I still can't get around the white bezels on the iMac. My ideal setup with the two products shown today would be the Mac Mini, the magic keyboard with numpad and touch id in black, magic trackpad in black (I do not like the magic mouse), and the Studio Display. If I can include other Apple products and money is no issue, I would switch to the rumored M4 Ultra Studio and 4 Pro Display XDRs.
For me the better value would be the Mac mini. As you stated, you can pair whatever size screen and the keyboard and mouse of your preference.
But the OLED screen I prefer is much more expensive than what I'm willing to pay. And it doesn't even come with the necessary HDMI 2.1 cable. And I might need an extra soundbar as well. To have everything included in one package of decent quality is a great offer.
my wife bought me a new mini for xmas, and a new Phillips monitor, keyboard and mouse , got to learn , been on windows for ever cheers Shane uk
I am loving my M4 mini. Replaced my desk queen M1 Air with it.
could you tell me please, what is that mean M4 binned?
what’s the difference between M4 binned and M4?
A binned chip is one that when tested has found to have possible defective cores, they are then disabled and the chip down rated.
You might have forgotten it but the base model iMac has a single fan that is NOT connected directly to the heatsink on the chip, like the 2018-2020 MacBook Air models. That's why the temperature doesn't drop much even if you max out the fan. The higher-end models have 2 fans that are directly connected to the heatsink, so the cooling solution is much more effective.
That's interesting - I really hope @LukeMiani does a video comparing the base model M4 iMac against the higher models - that would be interesting to see!
@@johnchandy7101 I think the difference will be similar to the difference between the base iMac and the base Mac mini, as the higher-end iMac has the same specs as the base Mac mini and the Mac mini has similarly effective cooling.
The M4 iMac supporting a second display was a big and welcome change.
Lol you mean that it wasn’t supported before?
@@unknown81360he meant 2 monitors I believe
It was, my iMac M1 does.
Is it possible to show the screen of my windows laptop from work, on the iMac’s screen?
Made the switch to external monitors when Apple nix'd the iMac Pro. Glad I did, now I can swap the base unit out and I'm good to go. Waiting for the Studio M4 Max.
Best path forward.
Luke, I upgraded from a Mac Mini M2 setup with a Samsung 32” M8 smart monitor and a Samsung 28” monitor, both 4K. Also had a Magic Mouse and Magic Keyboards (both sizes), and Edifier desktop speakers.
The M4 Mac Mini I chose was the 24 GB Ram w/ 512 GB storage option for $999 … kinda.
After an education discount of $100, and trading in my M2 Mac Mini, my net cost was about $590.
Of course, the key is the education discount (anyone can get it by just asking, though I’m a legitimate higher ed math instructor), the trade-in of the old device, and already owned peripherals.
Hey Luke, thanks for the video. What’s the custom keyboard you’re using with the Mac Mini in this video?
A point lost in this would be the Fruit Mini allows you to purchase a system at your current budget, but you could later upgrade to a much larger and better screen later. And I love my logi mx keyboard which I use for three different computers including my closed lid 2012 13 inch Macbook Pro.
Bought the studio display and Mac mini since apple refuses to make a 27imac.
I currently travel with a M2 Pro Mac mini with a 22” 1440p “travel” display packed in a pelican air case along with other audio gear. The constant setup and tear down has me looking at this iMac as a replacement for the road. 1 less power cable and 1 less display connector goes a long way lol. And now the M4 is a capable chip for I do it seems feasible now.
Luke once again shows why he is the only HONEST Fruit Fly when discussing Fruit products. Most are bloviating about what might be coming next (and wrong about it); Luke lives in realville.
Not sure what companies you’ve worked at Luke, but every company I have worked for used laptops and docking stations. All-in-one’s don’t work well if employees need to or want to work remotely. It also means the office set up is flexible; no employee is tied to a specific desk.
Great video thanks! I'm considering either the mac mini ($800CDN) with my current Dell 2721QS (4k, 60hz, 158ppi) 27" monitor or getting an iMac (mostly to get the 4.5K display, higher PPI and speakers) for $1700 CDN (or $1900 CDN for the mid range iMac that actually matches the processor/core specs of the mini) and I have 2 questions for you:
I do really basic video editing in Movavi for a TH-cam channel, vids just filmed with an iPhone. I play in a band, and may start taking home recording more seriously in Garageband (maybe Logic Pro one day). The videos aren't action shots or anything, just reviews on music & recording gear etc. Do you think I will notice/benefit from the better monitor & speakers enough to justify the $$$? Or am I better off sticking with my Dell monitor, and getting a MINI (maybe bump up the SSD to 512 and still only be out $1049 CDN) and still saving almost $1000?
Would appreciate your thoughts!
I'd pair it with a 27" QHD+, 100 hz, 350+ nits touch screen monitor, cheap keyboard and mouse and a vesa mount adaptor to stick this mini to the back of the monitor, perfect setuo imo
i bought a 4k lg for my mac mini m1 which has 300 nits and 60 hz for 250 euros (including shipping). i wanted it for my 4k player which sits in front of it, but as i saw its HDR capabilities don't function well unfortunately!!!
You forgot a camera add on to the mini set up
I’ve just pulled the trigger on the base m4 mini, but with 24GB Ram (£799). Coming from an old 27” iMac (2010). Keeping my keyboard/mouse. Bought a 27” 4K Dell monitor (S2722QC - £260 on a deal price), a 2TB M.2 drive (Crucial gen 4 P310) with Thunderbolt 4 enclosure (Graugear 40Gbps) (Home and Applications to go on that), and a 4TB usbc storage drive for Time Machine. All in (based in UK) that came to £1350. Now all I need to do is make it last the 14 years the iMac did…
I just bought a M4 Mac Mini with 512 GB of storage and 24 GB of RAM for $110 off retail from Amazon (discount + coupon). I also earn 5% on my Amazon credit card, which is about another $50 perk. Happy with my purchase. Can't wait to get crackin' on my computer.
Hi Luke, thank you for this video. For me it is the Mac Mini. Mini allows for more powerful SOC (14/20) and more RAM (64) to form a powerhouse. You can pair up a nice 32" BenQ 4K monitor and have a powerful pro class set up for about $3K. The iMac all maxed out is at $2.5K and you have a less capable machine, half the RAM and limited to 24" monitor.
How much storage did you grab? The starting 512GB for pro or did you upgrade?
@@borremoonkey Don't buy extra storage from Apple too $$$, buy external SSD ,cheaper.
@@bennym1956 I understand but 512GB would be sufficient for the OS and apps? I normally store all my files/projects on a different drive on my old PC, as a safety measure if the OS drive corrupts for whatever reason.
@@borremoonkey I usually get the 1TB SSD. My work files are all on external drives anyway. Perhaps 512 is enough but I usually keep my machines for 6-8 years. It is not a bad idea to have some extra SSD space just incase.
I got the m4 iMac with 24 gb as a stopgap till the m4 max Mac Studio is released ... When using final cut, it is using swap memory about 700mb !! ... the computer is pretty good but screen too small and it's the base m4 chip ...
I just bought the base model M4 Mac mini. Fantastic machine. Killer design. And it can fit anywhere. Heck, it’s almost portable.
Got the iMac as my first apple computer. Still getting use to it.
I'd love to get a mac mini, but i've seen so many people complain about scaling issues with a lot of external monitors. For me, the iMac makes the most sense I think.
Another advantage of the Mini comes in is you make an investment in the keyboard/mouse/display and even speakers but then in the future when you are ready to upgrade you don't have to purchase those again. Or of course if you already own those now.
That’s only the case because Apple can’t offer top tier displays in their iMacs anymore. In the past you got a better computer and a better display. And you needed one to run the other. It was an advantage they both came in one package, because they belonged together. But nowadays the very best displays are so expensive that they would absolutely destroy the price of an iMac. Especially the large iMac.
I’ve paired my new Mac Mini (base model) with 28.5 inch Samsung 4K monitor (£150), wired backlit numerical keyboard (£24), old AA battery Magic Mouse and 1TB m.2 thunderbolt 4 enclosure (£74) - super happy with it!
Probably all cheaper than an 24" iMac.
@ very much so! And considering the screen is larger and the chip is not binned, it’s a no-brainer! The M4 Mac mini is seriously good value
No question I'd take the Mac mini for display or computer flexibility later.
Looking at your example Mac Mini setup, there should be a hole cutout in the lower portion of the Studio Display stand so you can place the Mac Mini on the base of the monitor and run you cables directly out the back.
If you think you need that cutout,
you can mill it yourself.
I have a 27” IMac which I run with a second 27” Acer monitor, the problem with the new models is 24” display, as I’m in my senior years I can’t use the Magic Mouse for long periods, the fingers start to become uncomfortable so I have a chunkier orthopaedic wireless mouse. The Magic Keyboard is ok but I do prefer a full sized keyboard. So it looks like a Mac Mini for me with the full spec chip.
My 2020 M1 Mac 512 Gb mini drives 2 x 23” monitors, boots from an external 2 TB drive and basically runs cool at 48C. I’m mostly using the latest Pro Tools but Davinci Resolve also runs at the same temp. I have not heard fan noise in 4 years.
I can’t understand why you didn’t test the £1499 iMac with the same chips as the cheapest Mac mini, that would be the true test, on equal footing
i got a mini M4 day one. no doubt the most flexibel solution Luke! Plan to game with crossover etc
Even as an IT guy, the Mac Mini is actually the much simpler choice, the only additional item is a monitor and connecting that to the Mac Mini via USB C or HDMI is pretty much a one step process. And for all future upgrades, and there will be future upgrades, it's a simple 600$ upgrade to just replace the Mac Mini, most of the peripherals (keyboard, mouse, screen, speakers/headphones) can last up to 5-6 years in an office setup. I cannot imagine any company budgeting to replace the iMac every 2 years as opposed to the Mac Minis
Thanks. Gotta replace my wifes antique 2008 Imac that's getting slow and can't be updated apparently so this video was great. Glad you mentioned alternative monitors for the mini since I think that's the way I'm going to go.
I had an M1 iMac, brilliant machine but that 27inch Studio display and M4 mini was a worthy upgrade,,I think reality is neither the iMac or mini would be a wrong choice. Both very nice products.
brilliant video absolutely spot on . For me I purchased my first Apple computer ( I've had iPads and phones for years) my first Apple computer about two years ago A imac M1 don't get me wrong I've enjoyed having it and it still does what I need to do , at times it does struggle with doing photography imagery or video . Knowing what i know now and I didn't know two years ago I wish I purchased a separate screen and keyboard option . now I would like to have the Mac mini M4 but I also have to purchase a screen as you have mentioned .... I'm also waiting for the new M4 studio to be released to see if it's just worth hanging on for a moment ... thanks for the video 10/10 ❤
The easy choice was made for me. Only 24” screen on iMac these days. I’m upgrading from my old late 2014 5K 27” iMac. I can’t go back from a 5K 27” screen. But, it also means an expensive upgrade to go to Mac Mini + Studio Display. If they still did 27” iMac it’d be a smoother upgrade path!
Sorry Luke but if you worked in an IT department it would be a complete disaster
I just bought the mini with 1tb and tbh it’s worth every penny I don’t have that big of a desk and I’m able to conceal it so I have the necessary space for paperwork. I was fortunate enough that my uncle gave me his monitor that he doesn’t use anymore and all I did was buy the keyboard and the accessories
I'm having the same consideration right now. Am leaning more towards the Mini because I already have that setup now with a 68 cm monitor. However, the iMac has a sharper display and is a cleaner setup.
I have a 27" I5 iMac from 2019. I love the "All In One" solution because it takes less space on my tiny desktop.
I would like to upgrade to a new iMac, but only 4 USBC/Lightning Ports and no SD Card Slot is a no go for me.
The only option is a mac Studio - but it's too expensive for my use.
Sorry Apple :(
There’s actually a case for both. If you want the convenience of having everything in one package and working out of the box the iMac is for you. However if you prefer to have some customization in choosing your own accessories the Mini is the better option. It really boils down to a matter of personal preference and application.
I wonder if iMacs still have the "dust" issue on the display?I had it twice on 27" and at the end I bought replacement panel and put display controller board.Now I can connect the M4 mac mini and still have the 27" retina display without "dust".This was the only way.Cheers
i currently have an iMac pro with its 5K screen. and i really like it. BUT... it's an intel and it's getting to be time to replace it. you didn't say it in so many words when you said you couls hook up your dell monitor to the mac mini, but we all kinda know... monitors will outlive the computers they're attached to. it kinda ticks me off that i'll have to trash my 5K screen when i replace the computer (unless juicy crumb comes up wit a conversion kit for the iMac Pro). as a result, i don't ever think i'll but another iMac. the modular nature of the mac mini is preferable, at least to me.
The issue for me as a Logic user is that both units aren't very compelling. Logic doesn't use the efficiency cores so an M4 Pro chip is required for decent performance.
I had a 27" iMac for many years and loved it. Just updated and because I wanted to retain a 27" screen the decision was easy. Shame because I definitely prefer the integration of the iMac
Can you do a video on the best alternate cheap monitors to the Apple studio display?
Asus ProArt 27" 5k. It's the exact same panel as the Studio Display at half the cost.
For me it was bugging me that each time the iMac was on its last legs as a computer I was scrapping a perfectly good monitor. Then by not doing a 27inch it convinced me to have a look at the Mini. To leave the iMac behind can be expensive, but long term will be way cheaper. I went from the iBook to the iMac because the iMac was a great value, now not so much.
I installed a fan control on my m4 mini pro and just run the fans at 20 percent past 65c and it never gets past 75c playing games. Before it would go to 90c and it is still wisper quiet.
Mac Mini M4 setup is Gigabyte 34 ultrawide monitor, M4 512 ssd 16gb ram Mx Keyboard and Ergo Trackball... works great...plus with the KVM on the monitor I can use the mouse/trackball and monitor for the i7 Nuc I have......works for me.
sorry for big iMac fan (me too) but apple said that the 27 inch imac will never come back probably replaced by the mac mini and the studio display 27 inch and imac pro is replaced by the studio display XDR 32 inch with mac studio/mac pro
Hi Luke,
I’m curious about the nice looking white keyboard you showed, where can i find out more information please?
Honestly what I’d do is likely get the Thunderbolt Display and the 1st gen Magic Mouse and aluminum keyboard. The ones with AA batteries. Then pair them with the M4 mini
As a family user, who needs a new Mac, I think a new iMac will meet my need quite well.
indeed!!!
i’ve been using an M4 mac mini for the past 2 weeks now to replace an old 2018 13” i7 MBP that i kept at my desk, and it’s been perfect for powering my dual monitor setup. i already had the whole setup in place, so buying the imac wouldv’ve been a waste for me (plus i wouldn’t want to shrink from my 32” main monitor)
I picked up an M4 iMac with the 24GB RAM and 512GB storage. I upgraded from a 2019 27" intel iMac. I do miss the big display compared to the old iMac. My only other issue is that this iMac will eject my external disks quite regularly on it's own. Sometimes I have to reboot to get them back on line. Those are important as with 512GB of storage it would not take very long to filler up. Hopefully that problem works itself out. It's also disheartening when Apple longer offers the color matching options on the numbered magic keyboards, and trackpad. I use the trackpad WAY more than the mouse. While trivial, I also miss the Apple logo on the front of the machine too. That however can be rectified. In all it's fast, and quiet, and works well. I just have to work out the kinks.
Geez. I wouldn't want to deal with kinks in any new Mac.
@@bennym1956 I mean more MY kinks than the machines. IE: Figuring out how everything works, and it's total capabilities. Coming from intel the fact that some items I used before may not work with Apple Silicon, and figuring ways around that if possible. Those are the kinks I'm talking about.
Thanks for the video, always amazing content! Do you know that there is actually 3rd party storage options coming out as you hinted at in the video for the Mac MIni's?
Two major points have not been mentioned - there are 5 ports on the mini vs 2 on the iMac, and, of course, each time you buy a new iMac, you buy a new keyboard, a new mouse and a new monitor whereas a new mini costs only €700. For a first-time buyer the iMac is more price-sensitive but in the long run the mini wins.
IF you are considering the m4 iMac or the m4 Mac mini, you are not looking at the binned m4 but rather the equivalent chipset. This is the though choice, are you okay with the all-in-screen? are you okay potentially going down from a 27" display, are you ok with it being less portable, are you okay with slight less ports and so on. Anyways, nice video and I do appreciate the comparison!
Prosumer question.
If you could only upgrade one thing on the base model m4 mac mini, either upgrade to the 512GB storage or the 24GB of unified memory, which would it be? I already have an iMac for daily use, but I wan't the mac mini strictly as prosumer home studio computer with minimal software on it, just software to do audio production including using software instruments (with Logic Pro, Protools, Kontakt), occasional video editing with Final Cut (4k footage, but mostly rendering out to 1080P video e.g, a music film clip) and photo editing with Affinity Photo. I have external ssd storage to edit from, the mac mini will only host the Applications.
Edit: I have a intel based 2017 iMac that I'm upgrading from, sick of seeing the beach ball!
Can you make a video about m1 macbook air vs m4 mac mini? Im having trouble in which one i would pick? They’re about the same price here in my country. I already have a work laptop but want to try mac. I mostly do coding and consume content but also want to do light video/photo editing in the future.
Use an M1 mac mini with a 4K Samsung display of 28,5" with a Logitech mechanical keyboard and an MS Master 3 mouse which I can use with 3 different devices. Simply love it.
I have M1 Mac mini having 16GB RAM, using for Music Production professionally and my internal storage is almost filled. Do I need to upgrade to M4 Pro Mac mini or M4 Mac mini with more RAM and SSD or do I need to wait for M4 Max Mac Studio ?
This video was precisely what I needed. Luke always delivers!
Gotta go with the M4 Mini. Replacing my M1 Mini. I already have screens, keyboard and trackpad.
My setup comparison would not be the base models, because the storage is inadequate and in the case of the iMac Touch ID doesn’t come on the binned chips for some reason. So comparing straight across the board as much as possible with All Apple products it would be.
iMac 16GB/1TB with 10 core CPU 10 core GPU $1,899
Vs.
Mac Mini 16/1TB with 10 core CPU 10 core GPU $999
+
Studio Display $1,599
+
Magic Mouse $99
Magic Keyboard with Touch ID $149
Total $2,846 So the iMac setup is more expensive, is not an all in one but it is modular. The fact that the storage is removable at this point is a big nothing because there nothing to replace it with, unless Dos Dude does it for you.
The upside with the mini setup is a larger 27” screen, but I’m OK with the 24” size, been using one since 2020 and honestly it fine.
I'm seriously considering the iMac, as it has a great display built in. I think the Mini makes sense if you already own a 5K display. But for those of us who don't, the iMac is very tempting.
I’m still getting the Mini and studio display. My logic is I am amortizing the display across this purchase and my next Mac Mini 3-4 years down the road. Then the math makes better sense.
Luke, I literally just rewatched your M1 iMac vs M1 Mini video yesterday. 😅🔥🔥
Only a person with Bi-polar disorder would pair the base $600 MacMini (AMAZING deal!) with $1600 Studio Display (HORRIBLE deal!).
If you do absolute basic stuff, maybe in a store or something and you want it to look fancy and be all in one and you don't see the need to upgrade for years, probably iMac, but the Mac Mini is way cheaper to upgrade down the line, because you can just keep the expensive screen. You can also carry it around and hook it up to other screens. If you want to get down to the iMac price you also could check some used Studio Displays, they're going for way less than new.
I'm having to make this exact decision to replace my 2015 iMac, and I very much wish the iMac had an M4 Pro option.
And did I miss something, or is the possibility mentioned in the cost comparisons that a user might already have a keyboard and mouse from their previous setup?
When you already have monitor, mouse/trackpad, and keyboard, it's a no-brainer. When you have an empty desk, the question is, how concerned are you, really, about cutting 8-minute video renders down to 6 minutes? The iMac is the way to go for most consumers - it will do everything you ask it to do, and do it faster than any computer you've ever owned. Plug in an external 1TB ssd, and the base model is all you'll ever need to run rings around the average tower PC. The only thing it lacks is a large screen, which can be important for document creation. (I need two 32" monitors, so it's a Mini on my desk.) The colors are cool, and look great in the ads, but I do wonder what fraction of real-world desks are _not_ pushed up against a wall.
I would pick the iMac but in upgraded format. If it has to last 4 years, I would get 32Gb of RAM in it. Since it sits in a well lit office, I might opt for the nano texture. Yes, I could maybe save a little bit going with the M4M. The cohesiveness of an iMac still has a dear spot in my mind and heart.
The choice is easy, it depends on your situation, for me the Mac Mini was the way to go as I already have 2 x Dell 27" 1440P monitors, logitech wireless keyboard and mouse so I have no need for the screen (very nice as it is) the keyboard or the mouse (which I hate). Obviously for someone starting from scratch the iMac is the better option.
I have always loved the form factor of the iMac but I just cannot have a 24 inch screen. Even tho 4.5k at 24" is nicer in PPI than my 4K at 27", 24" is just not enough space for me. Honestly though 4.5K LCD bright panel with the keyboard and mouse and an M4 for $1299 is a great deal tbh
if it is to put a 60 HZ screen on the mini, (does it goes higher?) it is worth going to any good FHD pc screen, you have awesome ones for 150$, even 32" models for 250$.
same for the PC keyboard amd mose, you get either a better but also a cheaper one that makes the Mini worth.
Also a cheap mini is fine but a waxed out version has no sens compared to a high end pc.
If you already have a mac mini set up its a no brainer, im still using a 2012 21.5 imac booting off a T5 external SSD and apart from the odd wheel of death its still doing everything I need, when I have to upgrade it will be another imac and I presume like going from a horse and cart to a space shuttle?
Cheap dead 27 inch imac 5k with the adaptor to turn it into a monitor, m4 pro mac mini and any keyboard and mouse, probably still under 2k. Killer setup that.
I JUST DON'T GET IT... was thinking of getting the Mac Mini but then I have to get a monitor (Studio) that's overpriced AND has a crappy camera? Going with the M4 iMac... thanks for this video. You nailed it bud!