FAKE Tetris High Scores Get Exposed
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If we were to rank the most common excuses from speed run cheaters, “It was a joke” would be right up there with “I was really depressed at the time…” and “Y’all haters just jealous”
"I would have gotten the time/score/record anyway" is another great one they tend to throw in.
Also it’s a mean joke to shit on a fellow runner too? And potentially get them in trouble?
"I deserve the record because I've grinded longer than the person who currently holds it"
in the tetris community, I can think of 3 off the top of my head
Don't forget the "my other runs are legit though"
Tyler just started in second gear. It's legit
“It’s the human element”
If you know you know
he popped the clutch or somethin
I talked to his buddies at Twin Galaxies, totally legit
Todler*
Interesting fact: the 1.4m world record by Joseph mentioned at the end was itself an April Fools joke: he used a modified ROM that would give him long bars on demand. He did it partly just to troll and partly to demonstrate how creative people can get with cheated scores, without (many) people noticing.
Years ago I has a cheat thing for Gameboy that had a code to give long bars only. was fun to play around with for a while, but got boring quickly as it was just too easy.
This video was the first I've heard of any of this stuff, and I'm like... obviously getting 1.4 on 1/4 is itself part of the joke, surely? And sure enough!
The 1.4 by Joseph mentioned in this video was an April fools but it wasn't a world record as it was only 1.419 and he had already made a 1.439 the previous year.
@@Dragonatrix Would be better if it was 4.1 million
(sorry I'm a yank)
The origins of cheating... goes to times of luck games in immemorial times...
so that it got to video games is not a big surprise!
- cheats in video game record attempt
"It was just a joke"
Every. Single. Time.
+and saying sorry ultimately ppl forgiving with no consequences and forgetting about it
I could see doing it as an inside joke, but none of them ever say it’s a joke until after they get caught. If they did it, let everyone get riled up then say it’s a joke. Not sit and pretend it’s real until caught.
-cheats on wife with her mother in law.
"It was just a joke"
Every. Single. Time.
The most disgusting part is that they cheated under another person's name without their consent, which could be seen as slander.
There's someone who'll just outright sue you for calling them out... Forgot his name though, maybe it's Milly bitchell or something.
Funny how so many WR cheaters try to fall back on 'it was a joke' when almost every real attempt at humor is predicated on the idea that SOMEONE will find it funny. Not having obvious clues to follow means no one will get the joke, and nothing stings a joke-teller more than a joke being ignored.
In short, if these were actually jokes, who was the intended audience? If it was a private joke, why involve other people at all?
pmya here
to a general audience who do not know any of the people involved, there is no joke
to the people who were playing on the channel at the time, seeing another player you're fully aware is light years away from getting what at the time was within a tetris of the world record, is funny
in a way it was a private joke, roughly 5-6 people were around at the time, its not like it happened with the foresight of this being shown to an audience who have no context two years later
@@spohsii9792 still seems really weird from an outsiders perspective, and Occam's Razor would indicate an attempt to misrepresent skill, instead of a mildly contorted joke that you'd need to be deep into a community to get, since no real explanation was made to onlookers until people started getting upset about it.
I guess it could be funny to some, but you probably know, people have fought and bled over this sort of thing. If it's a joke, maybe don't let it get to the point where others are trying to crown a new champion or making public statements about how well someone did.
It's no different than any other bad take getting blasted and the person coming back with "it was a joke" in a sad attempt to save face. You didn't notice the joke? Well then the problem was with you, not with me and my bad take/cheating! It's so old, I'm so tired of seeing it. 🙄
Joesph's was on April 1st. that was the clue. :)
I wish I could like this twice
Damn. If my mom was still here, she could gave been a contender. Icwatched her get disappointed that tetris and dr mario had difficulty caps... I guarantee she could compete lol. This was in the 90s, on a 13" tube tv in our kitchen on a cranky as hell NES.
She would be tickled they are popular again too. Thanks for the great video. Hope your holidays are great!
No doubt. If you have a clear understanding of the fundamentals of how to build your stack and manage it under pressure, you get to compete on the level of Neubauer (rip). He proved time and again that mastery of the game can bring you all the way to level 29. To get past that however, DAS cannot compete anymore. This was for the longest time not an issue as hypertapping players took a long time to overtake DAS players. And rolling has only gotten competitive this year (Invented late last year I think?), something a person like Neubauer could use to get a one up on hypertappers. Sadly, he already passed away before rolling started showing its true potential and therefore never got to grab the Tetris crown again.
I'm absolutely sure your mother would have loved to see Tetris evolve the way it has to this day, and is still continuing to evolve.
well, 1.3 million has been achieved on DAS, which is mind blowing
hopefully she's playing with jonas up there
Every Tetris player is 1975TylerP except you.
Blevins
Uhhhh hi?
Is it solipsistic in here or is it just me?
i can confirm, i am 1975TylerP
@@CheezTetris Hello
“That might sound complicated, but it’s actually quite easy to understand”
proceeds to explain something extremely hard to understand
Put simply:
There is a Tetris RNG machine which does complex calculations to determine the next piece.
Seeds are used.
A XOR is a logic. Basically everything in computing works with logics.
The Logic says: No matter how many Inputs, only 1 of those Inputs can be a 1, otherwise it would an AND. So Input A and B are 0 = Result 0. Input A 1 and B 0 = Result 1.
@@BatLB "otherwise it would an AND" - English master
@@BatLB yeah but LFSRs which do multiplication of Galois polynomials is far from a “quite easy” concept
It's possible rolling was discovered back in the 90s. Not a lot of people used the internet and a lot of information was lost and had to be rediscovered. Rolling is notable because, for how tetris works, it's a very natural thing to want to try to do. You see people who were new to high level Tetris try to find a way to roll their fingers across the d-pad because you can, in theory, tap way faster than even Hypertapping with way less effort and carpal tunnel. Really, it just takes one person thinking far enough outside the box. That said, I think it's unlikely Tyler actually did it.
man its a crime how much info discovered about games was forgotten or never even publicized in any way, I guarantee most of us that have gamed our whole lives have discovered glitches, techniques, and all sorts of stuff that isn't mainstream..like for pokemon gen 1 I specificially remember thinking my game was broken when all of the text stopped showing up and I didn't get to switch pokemon when the opponent brought a new one out, sure now its a speedrun staple that changed everything but at the time it sucked sooo bad..talkin about in like 99-00
My family did something similar to rolling when we played. We didn't play Tetris but other games that required you to tap A/B really quickly. There have been several speedrunning strategies that were discovered that I or people around me already knew and did in our casual play, like looking down in Goldeneye to move faster.
Hypertapping could DEFINITELY be discovered by anyone
Exactly, like it's the kind of thing where someone could've reasonably discovered it independently from someone else, and even if it was this advanced strategy that took years to be found, it's still not unheard of that people were able to do them decades before any community found it.
In wave race 64 there was a guy in 1999 who basically held the WR for 15 years, and he had no idea, it took until 2014 for anyone to even be able to beat his record, and when the tape of his record showed up, it was revealed that he even knew some extremely advanced strategies that took people decades to discover, meanwhile he was doing them when the game was still considered a current gen game. So using "other people didn't discover it so he couldn't have" just isn't a good reason for it at all.
11:18 "So there is no way he was using this back in the 90s." I feel that isn't something you can really be certain of. Back in those days, before the Internet took off and before a lot of people were accustomed to wide scale sharing of information like we do now, it's quite possible that a lot of things, like techniques, game genie codes, etc, were found by individuals who simply never passed it around.
There was probably a lot of discoveries that the discover just didn't think much of at the time or forgot about, with no one to really share it with, and general Interest shifting to newer consoles coming out, moving to computer gaming, or other life matters like college, family, etc that made it feel like the world had moved on - I remember by the mid-late 90s you could find 8 and 16 bit games like Tetris in flea markets and exchange stores for a couple dollars, if that.
I guess my point is that the 90s, especially the first half of it, was a very different time, when people didn't or couldn't just share everything with the world.
yup.
Educate these kids
@@mr.c9820 I think this may be the kind of comment you wouldn't dare to leave right in front of someone who could punch your face.
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk So you're the kid then?
@@VivianVortex No.
Great video! There is one thing that you got wrong though, which is your take on hypertapping. You said it was not viewed as a viable strategy before 2018, even though Koryan uses it way longer and always was one of the best players around. In fact, I think that Thor Aackerlund, who was the best Tetris player in the 90s, already used a form of hypertapping, even though he did not use the exact same grip as most players today.
He is kind of correct, before 2018, Koryan and Thor were viewed as freaks of nature and guides on playstyle strategy in the community didn't recommend learning hypertapping because it was thought that the average player would not be able to do it and/or have stamina issues doing it long term. It wasn't until after Joseph came along that a ton of teens joined the community starting out with hypertapping and making the playstyle mainstream
@@aGameScout That's fine on it's own, BUUUUT, he was saying it as "evidence" that some random player couldn't have been using it. Same thing with the game genie, pre-2000 the internet wasn't around to spread tips and tricks freely, so even if someone/group found a trick the chance it just wasn't shared, or shared and LOST* is pretty high.
Just as an example of a big speedrunning trick that almost became lost media was the golden eye looking down trick, or the countless glitches that are used in Mario Cart speed running, chances are many were already found but they weren't dissected and ratified so they could be used for speed-running.
*Like the Baja Blast theft hijinks, which was shared around but then lost.
@@aGameScout I think it's still worth noting there necessarily must have been other hypertapping players out there, even if not as optimized to the point we've seen in the past handful of years. We definitely know of at least one prominent tapper -- Spectre255 / DanZ achieved the first recorded GB Tetris max-out in 2006 and had other videos of NES/SNES accomplishments such as NES 19-4 in 2008 and SNES 347 lines in 2009.
In fact, I would go as far as to say that non-NES player perception of viable playstyles was heavily influenced by the visibility of Spectre255's videos on TH-cam; until Trey uploaded one of Jonas's DAS 19 max-out videos, top Tetris players unfamiliar with NES were prone to write it off as a game that _necessitated_ tapping. Spectre255 was also quite surprised that DAS was able to achieve the level of performance shown in Jonas's video. It's quite likely that players all learning the game in isolation came to different conclusions about what playstyle was ideal, even if the breakdown we ended up with post-CTWC implies a DAS majority.
@@aGameScout DanZ showed his hypertapping grip 10+ years ago and cleared 19-4, so honestly I think it was more of people not wanting to try it rather than people not being able to do it.
The classic “yeah this was a fake
Run but I’ve totally done it/better before/since” line. Bonus points have to be awarded for another classic “it started as a joke”.
Joseph’s April 1st 1.4 M score, like his retirement announcement, was also a hoax, which he admitted to on April 2nd over Twitter. He had some cheat method of summoning long bars on command. He said he used it very little on level 18, but on level 19 needed it quite a bit more. Funny thing about the retirement announcement is that he really did take a bit of a break from Tetris. Very few streams after that point, though he did get back in more seriously in time for the annual CTWC tournament.
he was entering college and moving (i think)
Wait, so the whole analysis of Tyler's claim about achieving 1.3 in mid 90's was unnecessary because it was Joseph who wasn't even born back then?
I'll say this, I'm a fighting game player first and foremost. I have been hyper tapping all my life. At my prime I had a speed of 14-15 pps. I could get back to that within a month of practice. It's a technique I figured out playing fighting games, but I used it in other games when it was useful. I'm 36. I was definitely doing it in the 90s. I'm not great at tetris, but I was "speed tapping" as I use to call it to challenge my self and beat fast falling speeds as well.
All that is to say, we had a lot of ways to button mash back then that were not taught in a magazine or seen on tv or in a video. Pen cap mashing where you slide a pen cap between the A&B button. Coin mashing where you used a coin, usually a penny or nickel, to mash. We were game nerds, and we figured out how to do the "impossible".
I don't have any reason to believe that he didn't figure out these advanced techniques on his own, even though they didn't become mainstream until recently. There are always people who are ahead of their time.
14-15 is actually the speed of a moderately-high Delay Auto Shift player or a moderate Hypertapper. The best Advanced Delay Auto Shift player in the world was playing at around 18. I am not sure what my speed is. I have gotten a few left well Tetris on level 29 in Tetris and Dr. Mario for the Super Nintendo. That is the top of my speed, while my average would be much lower.
@@lanceknightmare Wow. I need to practice. I thought my button mashing was top notch.
Dude got exposed because of Tetris forensics lmao what a bonkers community.
I’m surprised there’s even a community for this pussy ass game
Abyssoft, What an amazing video. Very impressed with the work and research that you put into it. Especially considering how much is in the Tetris Community. Truly a well done video. I'd love to see you make more
I am interested in a lot of the recent high scores, there might be a potential high score video next year if things keep heating up
@@Abyssoft sounds amazing! I know down the line I want to create an evolution of DAS video to show how it has changed over the modern scene. I’d love to see that video though.
Im just here to see if Sharky agrees. This is a great video
@@Abyssoft cheez's 2.3 👀
this motivates me to try and grind for highscores, I don't know if ill get close to a new world record, but getting a 1.5 or 1.6 of my own would be pretty cool
lol
W
Get the W
Gona submit that high score to twin galaxies too? XD
Yo you got this bro.
I've been playing Tetris for 30+ years and I'm still bad
"I have never cheated i am perfect honorable and you're jealous"
"yeah i cheated but only once"
"yeah all my scores are cheated but my life is hard"
"this isn't who i am bro please forgive me I swear I won't cheat again"
"She said she was 14"
@@RilGames. said nobody ever
@@VivianVortex nah look up RedKiwiz
9:59
Actually, I think I'd contest this point, DAS requires more game knowledge in order to keep it loaded in between drops, I think hypertapping has always been present and when reaching high speeds, even feels intuitively like the only option for a player unless they understand and practice the mechanics of DAS specifically.
I got the knowledge about proper DAS play and that there's CTWC with a community in 2017. Would always go tapping at higher speeds. Millions played and properly a lot grinded it back then in the early 90's. Most people didn't have internet nor an camcorder.
note that hypertapping refers to tapping _faster_ than das allows, which... is extremely hard to do. and extremely taxing on the hands
note that hypertapping refers to tapping _faster_ than das allows, which... i'd imagine is extremely hard to do (especially considering physical ability decreases as you age. hence why it seems like most hypertappers are quite young). and extremely taxing on the hands
Yeah the original story is that Tyler learned tapping from Thor in the 90s and picked it up from there. There’s probably a couple people who did it back then too
I fell into the classic Tetris rabbit hole a few months ago. Absolutely fascinating.
Really excellent video.
1.3? This got old fast.. WR now stands at 2.3 million 🧀😃
Video forthcoming
It should go without saying, but don't contact the people in this video, this stuff happened almost 3 years ago.
Here are some great Tetris channels and streamers to follow:
jdmfx: th-cam.com/users/JdMfX_
Koryan: www.twitch.tv/vst_koryan
aGameScout: th-cam.com/users/aGameScout
Huffulufugus: th-cam.com/users/Huffulufugus
Xealous: th-cam.com/video/zjfU-dyAYaE/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Xealous
If anyone not directly involved/affected by this decides they need to say something to the people mentioned they're out of their mind. Abyss is trying to just inform us of an interesting topic, not stirring the pot.
Fantastic vid as always! Congrats on going full-time, can't wait to see what's next!
Thank you for another excellent video and congratulations on doing TH-cam full time!!! That's really exciting, I'm glad to see your channel grow 💜💜
It's sad that so many cheaters are so good at the game, they just can't stand the grind that it takes to get a world best. They know they're good enough to get the world record and use it as a justification for cheating. What they miss is that there are lots of people capable of achieving a world record, it's the ones willing to put in the time and repetition to make it happen who get kt
Tetris is really one of those games where you'd think the players are too smart to cheat yet here we are. Anyway good stuff dude. Also fun fact: Billy Mitchell played Tetris by rolling in the 90's
Being smart only means you are better equipped to make excuses for your bullshit.
@@J0SHUAKANE I guess that's true. Never thought about that, thanks for bringing that to my attention
Maybe the smart cheaters just get away with kt
Yeah rolling started with that track and field game for PowerPad. Imagine if Jonas Harry Hong and others have been rolling the whole time??
Just stumbled upon the Tetris side of TH-cam, wish more people explained things like you have in this video. Good amount of information and explanation!
There also a physical tetris blocks as well. We were able to play the game legitimately so well, that you could claim that we pre-strategiezed the tactic out before hand. Dr. Mario and Yoshi's cookie also play by using the exact same mechanics as tetris as well. It is perfectly possible to do every level of Yoshi's cookie with the blocks that are already there on the board without getting anymore pieces. The pieces generated are not randomly decided either. You have to act pretty fast to clear the levels before more pieces come out, especially at the higher levels. With enough practice you should be able to do it. We were able to do very effectively back when we playing the game a long time ago in the first year or so, and then lost it. We able to clear the stages but with more pieces being added to the board.
Woah. Thats really cool. =D
Great video! The editing is superb.
Great video man. I have never been a fan of playing tetris but I was less then 3 mins into this video and was already excited.
Dude, your videos have me hooked!! Such high quality content
always fun to see tetris coverage on non-tetris channels. cool video!
Great video! The Tyler saga gave me the chills :D
Funny to see Tetris being such a highly competitive, fast-paced game these days as I've used it for years on PC as a Zen meditation-type game. I've found that it occupies the easily-distracted pattern-recognition parts of my brain enough to let me tune out the world & let the creative problem-solving neurons run amok.... I've solved many analytical & design problems for work over a Tetris marathon! 🤔 💭
Thanks for the video. It would be nice to mention you are talking about NES port from the start, since you are talking about platform-specific rules and scoring, it was a bit confusing (sorry If it was there and I missed it)
Finally got around to watching this! Awesome video, looks like you did good research :D
Always looking forward to one of your new videos!
This video is really well done i must say. It gives me the vibes of channels such as bismuth, summoning salt, Karl jobst etc. Keep up the vids like this one dude :3
I never thought of the points score being significant in Tetris. I always saw it as the level being important. I now kinda wish I knew what the points were on my best two goes. I had level 13 on the Macintosh version and level 15 on the Game Boy. Only reason I didn't make it past level 15 there was I had started playing while the car was sitting still, and only kept going because I was on level 10 when we started moving again. I hit 15 and got car sick so I had to stop.
i use to be hard into Tetris. I remember training myself for nights straight just on reacting to last second block turns to slot them into openings. I fell out of playing it at some point, don’t know why.
Never understood cheaters though. Like, sure I can create a program that can easily break records by reacting within microseconds of the game deciding the next block, but where’s the fun in that? Maybe I’ll try to dust off my old systems and see if I still have the muscle memory for it.
I was today years old when I realised that the NES Game Genie kinda looks like the logo of the NES Game Genie.
Cool tetris video, got really invested in the stories and the results.
Cheers to the fact that this video's definition of Tetris' Kill Screen is now out of date!
Super interesting video, I watched a lot of this happen so it's pretty cool to listen to someone explain it in a concise manner
I agree with you, Samantha Scotland
What country flag is that, Samantha Iceland?
@@snowman1134 TRANSylvania
Mad respect. Literally everyone who lives anywhere near technology knows what Tetris is, but you take the time to explain it anyway😭
It really shows your dedication level. Keep it up!
I'm really sick and tired of the people who get caught and "Oh well D: it was a joke!" Or "I did it for a social experiment ;_;" yet they never come forward and admit this before they get caught.
Joseph's April fools would like a word with you
Thanks for the video abyssoft. Also thanks for the world record bounty, got my to start playing Tetris a little bit again… even though Cheez broke the world record by 700k :)
And along came Cheez with a 2.34m score.
A channel I haven't heard of? And he's making quality content that is relevant to my interests?
Maybe the algorithm isn't so bad after all..
wait a second how could PMYA's game be analyzed so deeply if there was only a screenshot and no video?
The 1.2 he set had video, the 1.3 he claimed didn't have video
This video is amazing, I have no experience at all with tetris and you explained this very thorough and in an interesting way
Keep making high quality videos bud ull be big in no time great stuff regular uploads is key
Another great video ! Keep up the good work.
"just a prank bro calm down"
No mention of an old magazine "trick" where rapidly rotating a tetrad would allegedly influence its distribution frequency? Also I find it interesting that top players allow the gap to be on the sides rather than the middle, especially at the higher speeds. Good video as always.
I've personally always kept the sides open too on higher speeds. Allows for the large blocks to go in the middle and let slimmer pieces fit in and clear a couple lines before setting up for a Tetris lmao
This is probably due to the fact that they have been doing it on the right the whole game. I think it might be hard to switch that mid game especially since it's so fast
Spam rotating a piece won't affect its distribution in-game, since the piece distribution is only determined by the frame that you start the game on, and the height that the pieces lock at. People have deconstructed every line of the game's code, so if there were any other way to manipulate RNG we'd know about it.
The advantage of leaving the gap in the center of the screen is so that you have minimal movement of the bar pieces as the speed gets crazy. Furthermore you inevitably reach dry spells where you rely on the other pieces. If the gap is done correctly in the center, you can get a quick triple with either an L or Gamma piece. A gap on the right would only allow doing so with an L piece, for instance.
I just wanna say i love the visual aid you used for XOR.
Great time to release this as the 2021 CTWC (Classic Tetris World Champion) JUST concluded.
Seems sus that a guy would ruin his entire reputation for a “joke” and then never back it up with an actual run even though he says he can.
@12:00 so... the hyper tapping was the Eddie Van Halen of TETRIS techniques,
and rolling is the modern tech death metal soloing madness level above human.... (ex: Keven Chartre, Nick Padovani)
NOW I get it !!!
Maybeeeee it’s just me, but I still don’t get what the “joke” was when splicing and submitting a fake score
Imagine you were watching a streamer who pulls like 12mn, PB runs, and then they are running a sub 10, your super hyped, they finish with an 8:57, and then they were like, surprise, you guys got hyped for nothing, lol.... Like just straight trolling.
Personally I think dude was just mad he couldn't get the score properly, spliced a video and put it out their to test the waters, or as a "cry for help" because they DESPERATELY wanted that WR, but couldn't quite get it, so they were on the edge of just flat out faking it.
Hypertapping has a long, long history. You mentioned Thor, and others have mentioned Koryan, but I wouldn't be shocked if there were a lot of Japanese tappers who were inspired by Toshiyuki Takahashi, a gaming celebrity in mid-80's Japan that could tap at 16Hz. Probably inspired Koryan and some of the other Japanese TGM players, the oldest of which got their start in NES Tetris.
....but when all is said and done, there is plenty of other evidence against Tyler's claims. Unfortunately as well, it's unlikely that a 46 year old will ever be setting any Tetris records. That's way past gaming prime.
(edit: perhaps I should have viewed the full video before posting that last part...)
I was gonna say the exact same thing. There was a game in the early FC days called Star Soldier which requires 16 Buttons per second input to defeat the boss for a bonus 80k points. Takahashi was the face of that trick (although hardly the only person that has ever done it, and definitely not the original finder of the trick). I personally remember being able to do the trick as well back in the day. Its not an uncommon tactic at all, and a lot of FC games required use of fast tapping to shoot multiple bullets since holding usually only fired one bullet back then (like Xevious)
Great video! Next time please link the video you talked about in the end
I also achieved a Tetris World Record (on GameBoy).
I ended a game with 0 points. That's the World Record for the lowest score.
That's a very well thought through video!
I remember hyper tapping super Mario and duck hunt just goofing off not knowing what it would eventually be called. I'm sure others did what i thought were weird fun things on the nes controllers too.
you should specify that this is classic tetris, otherwise, non-tetris players will think that every single tetris game works the same since 1989(gameboy and nes tetris release)
after that, nice video!
I love the high effort tetris content
perhaps a video on modern tetris one day we can only hope
hi cab
Some guy: yeah my dad worked at Nintendo and he was the first person to play super mario bros
Abyssoft: here are the fundamental laws of nature that prove your claim is diametrically and axiomatically impossible
Quality content my dude.
I find it super strange that about the claim that new game genie code for this old game was only found just recently.
this is esactly what is happening in RuneScape cheating and acc sharing to cheat high scores
crazy how when i was a kid not many people even knew about hyper tapping... i was a weird kid that used it in private but i was never in that scene so ill never know if that could have gotten me anywhere
The music your using was also used in a illusions show at my local science museum. Weird. Or at least samples it, honestly it's just the high-to-low on that wooden xylophone thing that's familiar, maybe not all that odd but it is bang on the same pitch.
Tyler's uncle worked at the factory that builds new tetronimos (and resurfaces old ones)
Your quality is as good as ever. Although your pronunciation got a little slow this video xD
And congrats on full time youtube! It's so nice to see after all this time
Honestly I prefer slower, calculated speech long form essays or whatever these vids are called
4:16 it's really simple, it adds the bits, then outputs the last bit
Video was less than a week old, advertising a 1.6m score bounty, when 2.3m was beaten... Insane timing
11:31 Classic Tetris World Championship... I literally had no clue this existed.
Cool video. I have to step in and say I only learned of DAS playing within the last year or so. I never used it and always tapped like a MoFo in 1989. Too bad I sucked at the game anyway. My mind was blown when I found out people did DAS.
I can't imagine doing something in a niche way then discovering that not only is it niche, but that barely anyone else plays the way you do
the problem with assuming that someone couldn't have possibly done something is that this assumes that everyone, no matter what or where they are from, reports their findings to the public on the internet regardless of what year they say they did said thing. I feel like many things that could be ground breaking in any game went unreported because lack of internet or lack of interest in the competitive community and only does said thing for fun to show off to their siblings or friends in school or whatever.
That Exor Mario RPG reference tho haha
11:33 RIP Jonas, you will be always remembered as one of the greatest!
well research well done vid!!
Sorry but I do not find the following style of argument convincing: “the ‘community’ didn’t do this until this date, so it couldn’t have happened before” I can see it as a piece of evidence in making a case but it’s never a lynchpin. For example, Nintendo patched out BLJ in Super Mario 64 in a revision one year after the game’s release, but it wasn’t widely documented until 2000. But people certainly knew about some BLJs before 2000, otherwise why would Nintendo patch them out? Also I saw people BLJ the never ending stairs in SM64 back in 1998. Anyway back to Tetris, I find it odd that this video makes it seem like hyper tapping didn’t exist until 2018 yet in the same breath says that the winning champion of the 1990 Nintendo world championship used hyper tapping. Also, people knew plenty about game genie codes so I’m not convinced that the score tracking game genie code was never known until 2015. You have no idea how many crazy game genie codes people found back in the day.
I'm skeptical of the 1.3 million score in the 1990s too but since half the video used arguments like this I wanted to comment on that specifically.
@@alessandrorossi1294 Hypertapping was definitely used back in the 90's, however having a 1.3m game was pretty much impossible since you'd have to record and post calculate, or use a game genie code that didn't exist back then.
Kidding. I'm impressed they have such a way to figure this all out.
hyper tapping and rolling seem like very basic things that someone who's hyper dedicated to the game would be able to learn independently.
It's like how every OOT player independently learns that rolling is faster than walking, some might even learn that back walking is even faster so it wouldn't be out of the question to hear about someone doing that even though it only became popularized with speedrunning communities forming.
The 1.3 mil score is definitely sus, but using techniques that would be simple enough for someone to reasonably come up with on their own isn't something I'd say would be worthy of disqualifying someone.
But knowing some super advanced strategies long before anyone else did is definitely possible, there was a wave race 64 guy who just played the game to have fun with time trials, he ended up quitting and put the game up for decades, and it wasn't until he saw people talking about it online that he learned that he actually had the world record for 15 years long before anyone else even knew it was possible to get a score like that, he even used these extremely advanced techniques that no one else knew until over a decade later. So even when an entire community banded together to learn these secret strategies, that guy already knew them, got the times then quit while everyone else was much much further away than he ever was, and it wasn't until 2014 that his record got beat, I say this because speedrunning communities really only make up a fraction of players, and using them as a base of what's possible especially for an old game isn't going to lead to a very good consensus regarding every single player of that game ever.
i was hypertapping (but not on tetris cus I was young and found it boring lol) in 1994. Popular or not, it's the natural course when you discover input can be done faster. so this argument makes no sense to me. I was hypertapping (in vain) on Atari and Commodore (out of frustration). In my head, something I did naturally before I hit 10yo doesn't need to be "popular" to be believable. Heck, Santa doesn't exist, and yet he's more popular than Jesus.
If a fuckin pre-teen can absolutely OWN Tetris, these mofos have no reason to cheat
At highschool there was a Tetris competition but I wasn't told because nobody thought to tell me. But I had got chummy with the headmaster and made a deal to come in after school and do extra homework. I can't remember why he let me. Anyway, he gave me a master key. Instead of doing the homework I went to a back cupboard in one of the staff rooms that had a computer powerful enough to play Tetris. This was back in 1989. So, after several weeks and hours of play every weekday, I got an incredibly high score, but didn't know about the competition. All the scores were stored on the network. The next day I heard about the competition, which was open, so I waited with anticipation for who would win. The score they declared as the winner was much less than mine. I mean, not even half. So, I asked the staff what happened to my score. They said it was too high to be believable so they deleted it. They said I had hacked the game. Thing is, I was just a kid, had no idea how to hack anything and anyway, it was on a staff computer that would not have had the access rights to modify anything on the network. _(I even tried to do this after and found it was impossible. The score file was in binary and I didn't know how to edit that at the time, and even if I had edited it, I didn't know how to change the access rights to save the edits. But I couldn't take my evidence to the staff because then they would find out I had been using one of their computers)._
What I learned from that is popularity > truth. It doesn't matter how good you are in this world - only how popular you are. I think Donald Trump proved this beyond any doubt. Still I prefer to be truthful than to be popular. I don't need to sell my soul for anyone, especially not for a computer game.
I wasn’t subbed to you? Stupid TH-cam. Loved you mario kart vid. This one is worth a watch too!
Cool method with the RNG, but as a thought - since the seed is using the set of bits accessed by the LFSR, would it be fair to say that it's possible to get a run with an impossible seed via the interference of cosmic rays? There was an election a few decades ago where one of the candidates got 1000 more votes than was even possible in one of the areas, and it was determined to be caused by a flipped bit on one of the voting machines due to cosmic rays. If this happened to one of the bits in the LFSR mid-game, wouldn't it then create an impossible seed?
you can, but it's irreplicable, maybe we get a sm64 problem
Its obvious the 1.3 in '95 is a ridiculous claim. But Hypertapping was definitely a thing as early as the game's release in 1989. The reason we don't see alot of documentation on it is many kids were far too young to be in high level competitions and many simply didn't even know there was organized play. We have to remember that the late 80s and early 90s is pretty much pre-Internet (well there 'was' an Internet, but it had like literally a dozen websites total).
yeah i feel like "hit the button really fast" isnt rocket science
I agree with you my uncle taught me to hypertap back in 90s
Some shocking gameplay footage from whoever was playing during the capture.
Wow theres even tetris forensics.. The world is a strange place and had it not been for the internet.. I wouldnt have even thought of it
“With the highest scoring moves coming when a line piece is slotted into a stack of lines 4 high”
insanely high quality video
I remember hyper tapping playing tetris... It hurts like hell after an hour with a NES control pad!! Lol! This rolling method... I'm curious.
I'm glad I'm not the only one to think of Exor when I hear the term XOR
“I will explain this LFSR simply for you, using logic games and XOR functions!”
Lmfao I kid but that had me cracking up. Logic games are simple if you have a basic understanding of booleans already, honestly.