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@@sanctred pretty much, pyro is the most lazy re-colour of stanton you could have expected. they turned stanton green, pyro red. same stupid and senseless asset dumps as "outposts", unlivable and implausible for anyone to live there. fire places in atmospheres without oxygen and temperatures of 300 ° because the settlers that live in this without airlocks want to have it warm and cozy, i guess. pyro is just stanton with more nonsense and big noise made around it.
@@the_babbleboom Some of the NPCs in Stanton are rugged, too. While other villagers wear padded coats and huddle around a blazing bonfire, they walk around with a bare midriff scoffing at the sub-zero temperatures...
And in turn, have something unique to trade back to Stanton. (Otherwise there's no reason for anything to exist in Pyro) People don't tend to move to a hellish new place just to say "hey I can like in a terrible place and probably die for no reason!" However, CIG has sort of shot themselves in the foot by claiming that there is really "nothing worth fighting for" in Pyro (to explain why the UEE hasn't bothered with it) There should be something very important but challenging to get in Pyro. Like maybe the ONLY place to get Quantanium within 5 jump points... BUT the solar flares are SERIOUSLY damaging and risky...on top of the piracy. So (per the lore) it's not "economical" for sane people to live there (corporations) but outlaws have no choice, and gangs who don't value efficiency and safety. Or explain it by needing to not just mine asteroids, but go DEEP INTO planets (which explains the "contested zones/dungeons" thing) Basically take a real world example, and apply it to the game. People don't build factories in Africa for a reason. Environment, weather, terrain, high crime, lack of infrastructure, etc.
Agreed. A game that they have been developing since 2013 and yesterday while in Quantum I was forced out of my pilot seat. Then the game wouldn't let me get back in the seat. So I decided to logout in my bed. After spending like 20 mins trying to find the pixel position to bring up the logout wheel it said Logout Disabled Not Landed. There is no excuse after 10plus years to have such basic mechanics in a total mess.
Yeah thats why I rarely go onto planets anymore ... I don´t want to gamble if those elevators work or not. And to call 3.24 "Cargo Empires" is more of a joke ... it could be so good, because when it works hauling is a very nice experience.
@@Vioblight illegal things, Pyro was supposed to not have much industry and require manufactured goods. The idea of Pyro has changed to facilitate easier pvp content. Why would pirates raid lawful areas if they already have all the best resources? Why would mining companies leave the best quality resources to mine in Stanton? It makes no sense.
Have they not yet moved certain resources to Pyro? Makes little sense to buy commodoties in Pyro that are available in Stanton and expect a good profit.
I went to almost every outpost in pyro . It’s the same everywhere. Would you have watched a one- hour video that would have shown it? Probably not … that’s why I made 12 mn vid that summarizes the experience. Is there an actual trade run that makes it worth our while ? Go ahead, tell us, so far I haven’t found any and that’s because there aren’t any :)
@Erad_Prime Sorry for the missunderstanding, on my defense I'll say that stating what places in Pyro you explored and what materials you traded from there, and what you found out, would have been much more informative and would have been a way shorter video. Even in this same video a mention to this previous price exploration would have added much more value to the info you give while adding only 20s. I'm a great fan, keep up the good work Erad!
@@Coro_SC No worries. To make it short, in termss of profits, both from Stanton and Pyro, they're pretty much the same :S I also tried buying med supplies from Crusader area to Monox and Bloom before airlocks were broken and the profits were about 20% ish.. ridiculous.
13 years and flight model is still an unkown disaster and ship balance is being done by a lizard running across a keyboard chasing a fly and ppl are shocked that 4.0 is so bad... just wait till christmas live release while cig is gone
Stanton is an established economic powerhouse with limited government regulations and heavy corporate presence. It is an industrial base of the UEE. Pyro is an abandoned system after is was mined heavily, leaving barely any resources these days. The trade will generally flow the other way.
Realistically, Stanton and Pyro should both work the same way. Hubs should be high volume, low margin and outposts should be low volume, high margin. Big ships would move large amounts between hubs, and small ships would do costly last mile trading from the hubs to outposts or 'drop shipping' between outposts. Jump point gateway stations should probably buy and sell every cargo that a particular system and it's neighbor trade between each other.
Still hoping for more prices dynamically changing according to supply and demand. Then we'd see profits go up and down more, depending on player activity.
I think they need to complete Stanton a little more with some of the latest or same tech / info before releasing Pyro. Reputation need to be in the game before Pyro. They will just cause chaos by releasing Pyro and the average player can't do anything there because of the shoot on site mentality.
Yeah, I really hope they will make cross-system trading worth the extra time and risk. The problem is just that there's no logic in getting more money for items just because they are the other system, when you could get a delivery from the neighbor planet instead. So, what would be needed are system specific good that the other systems have to pay premium for getting exported, but that would then risk cluttering up the trade and even more the craft system. So, perhaps Stanton will lose some types of cargo to Pyro which wouldn't have all the cargo types that Stanton have. The drawback with that would be kinda forcing people to visit all systems, so will be interresting how CIG will solve the issue.
I agree, though there should not be proffit in everything going between the places. In Pyro things that a manufactured should have a higher cost and higher sell value, wile in stanton drugs should have a higher price and higher sell value, even minerals and sand worm eggs. That will require smuggling from pyro to stanton, meaning smaller ships, while going from stanton you probably need a hauler as manufactured goods take more space.
All this trade guess work would be helped by a trade app that showed commodity average price per planet. Buy low, then when you find the right spot, sell high.
I think in the case of golden medmons, Stanton already has them in abundance so there won't be much profit. Take them back the other way though and they could be worth something.
Thanks for another good video. The profit needs to be higher especially when there is a risk to loose all the cargo. But it´s really cool to see that what you buy is delivered by the elevator! This is so immersive! SC have really potential to become the best game ever! I will start playing SC again after over 1 year break when Pyro comes out.
I think basic stuff like meds, or technology, etc should be high value in Pyro. Basically refined goods. Resources from Pyro should be high value in Stanton.
Or CIG could be nudging players to avoid trading/hauling because the firm wants other parts of the game testing like the conflict zones where rewards will include executive F8Cs and the like, reportedly?
The game seems to be quite stable at present based on your footage. Or did you edit out the crashes and glitches? I'd be interested to hear how long this process took. In fact that applies to all processes. If I have 2 or 3 hours to spare I need to weigh up whether it's worth trying to complete a task in SC. Once the novelty of traveling to Pyro wears off - a ~200% profit margin would justify the time, cost and risk.
@@ShaoruneXYZnot really lol. Different for everyone. My friend with afr less superior system has been having a great time while I have a very high end PC and am having a very rough time. Massive fps drops constantly. EPTU so im cool with it, just needs more fixing. Not all my friends are having the same experience at all.
I've noticed the Pyro stations don't have refueling pads outside. Its more of a time sink to request and fly into a hangar for that function. I get it the ship is exposed on a pad and players leave their ship o the pads screwing it up for others but a touch and go refueling capability would be nice.
@@MMORPG87 I did find a pad at one station with a moron parked on it can't remember the name. The stations aren't all the same and most I've ventured too I can't find pads underneath. I'll take ur word for it.
Seeing talk that players will need to manually refuel ships with hoses with those writing/saying this pointing-out the physical fuel ports on ships such as the new Intrepid. Have not seen anything official on this, though. Has anyone got any firm information on this, please?
I'd definitely like to see higher profits trading between the systems. But i also know that will come with more pirates and more people complaining about pirates haha
At this point Chris has chased off or fired anyone that would challenege his wildly unatainable pipe-dream. Now, he has surrounded himself with low skill yes men that will do anything to please their idol. Our silly little game is in a terrible state and may never recover; Im sorry to say.
12 percent is really great in real Life. There shouldnt be great profit from Pyro to Stanton. Stanton has everything it needs. Now, Pyro being run down and lawless should lack resources, so profit from Stanton to Pyro should be huge.
@Erad_Prime only to try and drag non combat players in. I remain sceptical. The lack of reputation system when they claim ship nerfs are about balance...sends an interesting message about project management. I wonder where or when the sales angle to lack of consequences will kick in 😀
@Angelo_Nicolson That is not true. Below 30% is not worth it in a world where you do not risk losing all your cargo to pirates. In this game the markup needs to be much higher to cover total loss of your cargo. In addition you have to factor in, that the trader will bring ppl along with him, that should get compensation.
don't think this was the best test since you said this wasn't a test of profit, just a test of if trading was functional. Plus making a issue council on something that isn't a bug seems a waste of time. Probably be looking to do more optimized trading first, going from the SC trade sites and see what thing earns most from buy to sell
i am a total noob but i always try to land at these trade hubs and dont understand why they shoot at me they sell things but dont want customer?? is there a way like how did u even land there i got tresspassing and shot at wtf
They should have a couple of super profitable rare items that are only for sale in a couple of places in Pyro. And I'm talking 1000% profit, but small quantities so small ships can run them. With the multiple fuel stops necessary and the wormhole jump, these are going to take a long time, but feel great if you manage to complete them. Also, because the buy-in isn't prohibitively high, getting ganked isn't going to set you back so much that you'll give up
of course zero though has gone into this patch, probably the worse patch so far, but thats just par for the course with devs that hate the players and know the ship is sinking
I finally melted my BIS MSR for a Starlancer TAC....I don't think data running will be in the game for years to come (look at the # of ships that support this -- 2). And thus it'll be a low priority for CIG to complete. Combine that with the crazy fuse locations for engineering, and I was done....Shame. I really enjoyed the MSR as my daily driver.
Looking at LIVE: The impact of QA is not visibile. Just bugged SHIT EVERYWHERE, whatever they do with QA on LIVE PU, the effect is not messuable. I even doubt, that there is ANY QA on PU, looking how the super lazy DEVs transport every small error to production code. There is literally no quality at all, the QA gone can be only associated to SQ42.
Wonder how many let go fell into the D.E.I. requirement? A lot of Fortune 100 companies are finally realizing that race isn't as important as meritocracy or ability.
in real life 18-20% profit is huge. if you trade only in Stanton you should do max 5%-6% profit and between systems 15%-20%. On 1 million invested this is 200 000 profit and this is huge.
A lot of us tried to play and explore the areas, tried trade, but we immediately came under fire. Well, I guess I can’t complain, it’s advertised as a lawless system. I couldn’t believe the things players were saying the things they said to each other, there were racial slurs, Hispanic slurs, homophobia slurs, transgender slurs. I was shocked. I never have heard anyone send messages, basically talking to each other in the community like that in the 4 years I have been playing this game. I hold nothing against anyone, each to his own, as I listed no players at fault. As a few mentioned that it was only eptu so who cares. I just learned that I will stick to Stanton and work on being better at PvP. I did get to see the planet Bloom and it was awesome. Pyro does look amazing. I hope the situation settles down once the update goes live.
Academic research exists that looks at gaming. One paper looking at online games found that, in the games studied, when combat is promoted other elements like crafting and exploring and players in those game play types are reduced. The demographics of the player base tends, over time, towards a relatively small clique of predominantly male players. If that group falls in number it can lead to a death spiral where fewer players leads to more leaving and the game becomes not viable both economically and in terms of players having others to play against.
I highly doubt there is a single developer at CIG who took a calculator and did some basic math for trading: How much time; How much profit; How much effort; How much is available; How many people will be trading; Is there even enough to fill a single ship? Oh wait, none of these things have been addressed... whoever is working on economy doesn't even understand the basics of economy... skipped out on high school economy classes and now works at CIG...
And even IF, big if, someone did all of this... this same person did not account for size of ship at all. Right now if you have a small ship and want to do cargo? Useless, because you are going to fish in the same pool as big cargo ship because everything is worthless!
You are always comlaining (or at least in those videos I saw). Star Citizen is still an unbalanced alpha - but it makes great progress and is fun to play. Sure, there are always bigger or minor bugs that makes it boring, but thats the alpha aspect of that. To complain that something does not work as pretend or as you wish in an alpha is just whining. I mostly play with others in my corp, there are evenings where Star Citizen is unplayable and evenings where we played up to 6 hours without encounter any bugs - thats life in Star Citizen and I would not recommend to play that game to anyone who can't understand what that really means.
So hillarious ... one day i'm a white knight , another day i'm a complainer... sigh .... also I literally made a brand new issue council report for this issue. How is the complaining? I'd say it's constructive critiscism. All I want is to have a fun game and profitable trade that attracts piracy is fun. Oh and I checked the last 10 videos, I made 6 positive videos and 4 negatives.. how is that always complaining? Ah yes, negativity attracts more views... then I invite you to also watch the positive ones then :) I made a really cool one about Polaris multicrewing with a wing of snub fighters :)
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Pyro summed up. High risk no reward. Plus get shot at for someone's jollies.
So Stanton and Pyro are equal?
@@sanctred pretty much, pyro is the most lazy re-colour of stanton you could have expected. they turned stanton green, pyro red. same stupid and senseless asset dumps as "outposts", unlivable and implausible for anyone to live there. fire places in atmospheres without oxygen and temperatures of 300 ° because the settlers that live in this without airlocks want to have it warm and cozy, i guess.
pyro is just stanton with more nonsense and big noise made around it.
@@the_babbleboom Some of the NPCs in Stanton are rugged, too. While other villagers wear padded coats and huddle around a blazing bonfire, they walk around with a bare midriff scoffing at the sub-zero temperatures...
You’re meant to trade from abundance (Stanton) to shortages (Pyro)
And in turn, have something unique to trade back to Stanton. (Otherwise there's no reason for anything to exist in Pyro) People don't tend to move to a hellish new place just to say "hey I can like in a terrible place and probably die for no reason!" However, CIG has sort of shot themselves in the foot by claiming that there is really "nothing worth fighting for" in Pyro (to explain why the UEE hasn't bothered with it) There should be something very important but challenging to get in Pyro. Like maybe the ONLY place to get Quantanium within 5 jump points... BUT the solar flares are SERIOUSLY damaging and risky...on top of the piracy. So (per the lore) it's not "economical" for sane people to live there (corporations) but outlaws have no choice, and gangs who don't value efficiency and safety. Or explain it by needing to not just mine asteroids, but go DEEP INTO planets (which explains the "contested zones/dungeons" thing) Basically take a real world example, and apply it to the game. People don't build factories in Africa for a reason. Environment, weather, terrain, high crime, lack of infrastructure, etc.
spent all fucking day trying to get into any of the outpost trade terminals in Stanton ... so frustrating.
Agreed. A game that they have been developing since 2013 and yesterday while in Quantum I was forced out of my pilot seat. Then the game wouldn't let me get back in the seat. So I decided to logout in my bed. After spending like 20 mins trying to find the pixel position to bring up the logout wheel it said Logout Disabled Not Landed. There is no excuse after 10plus years to have such basic mechanics in a total mess.
Yeah thats why I rarely go onto planets anymore ... I don´t want to gamble if those elevators work or not.
And to call 3.24 "Cargo Empires" is more of a joke ... it could be so good, because when it works hauling is a very nice experience.
I think the idea is to buy in Stanton and sell in Pyro.
Profits are just as bad
I thought Pyro would trade rare things to Stanton?
@@Vioblight illegal things, Pyro was supposed to not have much industry and require manufactured goods. The idea of Pyro has changed to facilitate easier pvp content. Why would pirates raid lawful areas if they already have all the best resources? Why would mining companies leave the best quality resources to mine in Stanton? It makes no sense.
I made the same comment :
You’re meant to trade from abundance (Stanton) to shortages (Pyro)
@@Erad_Prime Buy scrap from the Stanton main cities, sell to Pyro. Pretty sizable profit margin.
Have they not yet moved certain resources to Pyro? Makes little sense to buy commodoties in Pyro that are available in Stanton and expect a good profit.
Just made the same comment. At least one other person has some common sense.
Buys a random bunch of stuff, sells it at literally the first available location, gets surprised when it is no so profitable 😪
I went to almost every outpost in pyro . It’s the same everywhere. Would you have watched a one- hour video that would have shown it? Probably not … that’s why I made 12 mn vid that summarizes the experience. Is there an actual trade run that makes it worth our while ? Go ahead, tell us, so far I haven’t found any and that’s because there aren’t any :)
Ikr, not to mention this tech literally isn't in the game yet. Do some research on the game development before making infovids maybe?🤷♂️
@Erad_Prime Sorry for the missunderstanding, on my defense I'll say that stating what places in Pyro you explored and what materials you traded from there, and what you found out, would have been much more informative and would have been a way shorter video. Even in this same video a mention to this previous price exploration would have added much more value to the info you give while adding only 20s.
I'm a great fan, keep up the good work Erad!
@@Joe-ef4zo CIG markets SC as playable now in headlines, mentions alpha status in fine print only.
@@Coro_SC No worries. To make it short, in termss of profits, both from Stanton and Pyro, they're pretty much the same :S I also tried buying med supplies from Crusader area to Monox and Bloom before airlocks were broken and the profits were about 20% ish.. ridiculous.
13 years and flight model is still an unkown disaster and ship balance is being done by a lizard running across a keyboard chasing a fly and ppl are shocked that 4.0 is so bad... just wait till christmas live release while cig is gone
I thought balance was performed by a cat sleeping on the keyboard
Stanton is an established economic powerhouse with limited government regulations and heavy corporate presence. It is an industrial base of the UEE.
Pyro is an abandoned system after is was mined heavily, leaving barely any resources these days.
The trade will generally flow the other way.
I hope they fix the economy properly
Yes, you have to constantly lose money and buy it on the site.
yeah also one of the issues is the freight elevator screen is bugged sometimes the screen is stuck
@@vladkudrya9615 wth are you talking about
Realistically, Stanton and Pyro should both work the same way. Hubs should be high volume, low margin and outposts should be low volume, high margin. Big ships would move large amounts between hubs, and small ships would do costly last mile trading from the hubs to outposts or 'drop shipping' between outposts.
Jump point gateway stations should probably buy and sell every cargo that a particular system and it's neighbor trade between each other.
Still hoping for more prices dynamically changing according to supply and demand. Then we'd see profits go up and down more, depending on player activity.
I think they need to complete Stanton a little more with some of the latest or same tech / info before releasing Pyro. Reputation need to be in the game before Pyro. They will just cause chaos by releasing Pyro and the average player can't do anything there because of the shoot on site mentality.
Yeah, I really hope they will make cross-system trading worth the extra time and risk.
The problem is just that there's no logic in getting more money for items just because they are the other system, when you could get a delivery from the neighbor planet instead.
So, what would be needed are system specific good that the other systems have to pay premium for getting exported, but that would then risk cluttering up the trade and even more the craft system.
So, perhaps Stanton will lose some types of cargo to Pyro which wouldn't have all the cargo types that Stanton have.
The drawback with that would be kinda forcing people to visit all systems, so will be interresting how CIG will solve the issue.
I agree, though there should not be proffit in everything going between the places. In Pyro things that a manufactured should have a higher cost and higher sell value, wile in stanton drugs should have a higher price and higher sell value, even minerals and sand worm eggs. That will require smuggling from pyro to stanton, meaning smaller ships, while going from stanton you probably need a hauler as manufactured goods take more space.
That profit margin doesn't seem worth it for the time it must have taken.
Absolutely not
I can see food, med-supply, and fuel being higher profit from Stanton to pyro. Scrap, and the new material should make profit in Stanton more than 20%
All this trade guess work would be helped by a trade app that showed commodity average price per planet. Buy low, then when you find the right spot, sell high.
I think in the case of golden medmons, Stanton already has them in abundance so there won't be much profit. Take them back the other way though and they could be worth something.
People are going to be pirating that path from Pyro to Arcorp. I'll have to go back to jumping to another point then going to my intended destination.
REP and local security better be good. These outposts will taken advantage of.
This song rocks too
I hope they can listen to the community and fix these things 😊
yeah I liked that joke too
Thanks for another good video. The profit needs to be higher especially when there is a risk to loose all the cargo.
But it´s really cool to see that what you buy is delivered by the elevator! This is so immersive! SC have really potential to become the best game ever! I will start playing SC again after over 1 year break when Pyro comes out.
I wouldn’t call that fuel price decent, I would call it far too cheap. Raise the prices CIG
Heaven forbid you get in a fight and have to use any missiles while on your trade run, you'd be all net loss
Good to see Pyro is accessible and playable, the rest will come
I think basic stuff like meds, or technology, etc should be high value in Pyro. Basically refined goods. Resources from Pyro should be high value in Stanton.
You're fully right about all this... So right in fact that I feel like this must be an error and will clearly be fixed lol
I hope you are right and that it is an error. Really,
Or CIG could be nudging players to avoid trading/hauling because the firm wants other parts of the game testing like the conflict zones where rewards will include executive F8Cs and the like, reportedly?
The game seems to be quite stable at present based on your footage. Or did you edit out the crashes and glitches?
I'd be interested to hear how long this process took. In fact that applies to all processes. If I have 2 or 3 hours to spare I need to weigh up whether it's worth trying to complete a task in SC.
Once the novelty of traveling to Pyro wears off - a ~200% profit margin would justify the time, cost and risk.
actaully its much better than PU. SFPS always 30. NPC is deadly now. some glitch and bug always on QT and mission tracker
@@ShaoruneXYZnot really lol. Different for everyone. My friend with afr less superior system has been having a great time while I have a very high end PC and am having a very rough time. Massive fps drops constantly.
EPTU so im cool with it, just needs more fixing. Not all my friends are having the same experience at all.
@@djirate052380 sir. I talking about SFPS not FPS
Intrepid is my favorite starter and I'm so pumped for Pyro.
@Erad - Seeing comments that the Ares has been nerfed again; do you know any details and have a take on what is (or isn't) happening, please?
Good test, I expected more from system-to-system trading. Maybe other commodities are more profitable?
I think it works different. Buy in Stanton sell in pyro make money. Do mining in pyro sell in Stanton make money.
I've noticed the Pyro stations don't have refueling pads outside. Its more of a time sink to request and fly into a hangar for that function. I get it the ship is exposed on a pad and players leave their ship o the pads screwing it up for others but a touch and go refueling capability would be nice.
they are under the center of the stations
@@MMORPG87 I did find a pad at one station with a moron parked on it can't remember the name. The stations aren't all the same and most I've ventured too I can't find pads underneath. I'll take ur word for it.
Seeing talk that players will need to manually refuel ships with hoses with those writing/saying this pointing-out the physical fuel ports on ships such as the new Intrepid. Have not seen anything official on this, though. Has anyone got any firm information on this, please?
I'd definitely like to see higher profits trading between the systems. But i also know that will come with more pirates and more people complaining about pirates haha
Curious to see how minables differ in sale value between each
At this point Chris has chased off or fired anyone that would challenege his wildly unatainable pipe-dream. Now, he has surrounded himself with low skill yes men that will do anything to please their idol.
Our silly little game is in a terrible state and may never recover; Im sorry to say.
I think there will be so much balance here, they need to tune many thing
12 percent is really great in real Life.
There shouldnt be great profit from Pyro to Stanton. Stanton has everything it needs.
Now, Pyro being run down and lawless should lack resources, so profit from Stanton to Pyro should be huge.
Pyro is said to have rare resources Stanton doesn’t have. Also trade from Stanton to pyro equally sucks
@@Erad_Prime In those cases I can agree on those specific resources needing more profit.
@Erad_Prime only to try and drag non combat players in. I remain sceptical. The lack of reputation system when they claim ship nerfs are about balance...sends an interesting message about project management. I wonder where or when the sales angle to lack of consequences will kick in 😀
@Angelo_Nicolson That is not true. Below 30% is not worth it in a world where you do not risk losing all your cargo to pirates. In this game the markup needs to be much higher to cover total loss of your cargo. In addition you have to factor in, that the trader will bring ppl along with him, that should get compensation.
don't think this was the best test since you said this wasn't a test of profit, just a test of if trading was functional. Plus making a issue council on something that isn't a bug seems a waste of time. Probably be looking to do more optimized trading first, going from the SC trade sites and see what thing earns most from buy to sell
Thx for Testing
i am a total noob but i always try to land at these trade hubs and dont understand why they shoot at me
they sell things but dont want customer?? is there a way like how did u even land there i got tresspassing and shot at wtf
Buy in Pyro sell for a loss in Stanton shown by another creator recently in 4.0.
Which is F-cking bullshit
@@Erad_Prime Indeed. The video boils down to a "How to not put 1.8 million at risk to lose 100K hauling RMC" tutorial...
I mean the commodities you're trading are pretty worthless. But yeah, they definitely need some price adjusting.
They are pretty worthless but should be purchased at a much lower price
Prices arent final....
They should have a couple of super profitable rare items that are only for sale in a couple of places in Pyro. And I'm talking 1000% profit, but small quantities so small ships can run them. With the multiple fuel stops necessary and the wormhole jump, these are going to take a long time, but feel great if you manage to complete them. Also, because the buy-in isn't prohibitively high, getting ganked isn't going to set you back so much that you'll give up
of course zero though has gone into this patch, probably the worse patch so far, but thats just par for the course with devs that hate the players and know the ship is sinking
Did you really expect stuff to work? the simplest AI trying to walk from A to B and back hasnt been working for... forever rly.
I would really like to see the Data running loop and missions finally in game so the Mercury Star Runner is finally worth flying.
I finally melted my BIS MSR for a Starlancer TAC....I don't think data running will be in the game for years to come (look at the # of ships that support this -- 2). And thus it'll be a low priority for CIG to complete. Combine that with the crazy fuse locations for engineering, and I was done....Shame. I really enjoyed the MSR as my daily driver.
CIG getting rid of Q&A staff was a brilliant idea when being close to important releases with a lot of testing required.
Looking at LIVE:
The impact of QA is not visibile. Just bugged SHIT EVERYWHERE, whatever they do with QA on LIVE PU, the effect is not messuable.
I even doubt, that there is ANY QA on PU, looking how the super lazy DEVs transport every small error to production code.
There is literally no quality at all, the QA gone can be only associated to SQ42.
Wonder how many let go fell into the D.E.I. requirement? A lot of Fortune 100 companies are finally realizing that race isn't as important as meritocracy or ability.
in real life 18-20% profit is huge. if you trade only in Stanton you should do max 5%-6% profit and between systems 15%-20%. On 1 million invested this is 200 000 profit and this is huge.
No it’s not if you hire pilots and crew
This game is so crAP 💩 after so many years with such a budget.
area
Trade so bad? Game so bad!
colour coded space.
jesus christ.
this is so dumb.
A lot of us tried to play and explore the areas, tried trade, but we immediately came under fire. Well, I guess I can’t complain, it’s advertised as a lawless system. I couldn’t believe the things players were saying the things they said to each other, there were racial slurs, Hispanic slurs, homophobia slurs, transgender slurs. I was shocked. I never have heard anyone send messages, basically talking to each other in the community like that in the 4 years I have been playing this game. I hold nothing against anyone, each to his own, as I listed no players at fault. As a few mentioned that it was only eptu so who cares. I just learned that I will stick to Stanton and work on being better at PvP. I did get to see the planet Bloom and it was awesome. Pyro does look amazing. I hope the situation settles down once the update goes live.
in my case. they always talke shit. if you dont have friend in pyro you gonna die. etc etc. always praise the PvP thing
Academic research exists that looks at gaming. One paper looking at online games found that, in the games studied, when combat is promoted other elements like crafting and exploring and players in those game play types are reduced. The demographics of the player base tends, over time, towards a relatively small clique of predominantly male players. If that group falls in number it can lead to a death spiral where fewer players leads to more leaving and the game becomes not viable both economically and in terms of players having others to play against.
Cool
Trade is a joke and has been for years!
I highly doubt there is a single developer at CIG who took a calculator and did some basic math for trading:
How much time;
How much profit;
How much effort;
How much is available;
How many people will be trading;
Is there even enough to fill a single ship?
Oh wait, none of these things have been addressed... whoever is working on economy doesn't even understand the basics of economy... skipped out on high school economy classes and now works at CIG...
And even IF, big if, someone did all of this... this same person did not account for size of ship at all.
Right now if you have a small ship and want to do cargo? Useless, because you are going to fish in the same pool as big cargo ship because everything is worthless!
Trade is dead
You are always comlaining (or at least in those videos I saw). Star Citizen is still an unbalanced alpha - but it makes great progress and is fun to play. Sure, there are always bigger or minor bugs that makes it boring, but thats the alpha aspect of that. To complain that something does not work as pretend or as you wish in an alpha is just whining.
I mostly play with others in my corp, there are evenings where Star Citizen is unplayable and evenings where we played up to 6 hours without encounter any bugs - thats life in Star Citizen and I would not recommend to play that game to anyone who can't understand what that really means.
So hillarious ... one day i'm a white knight , another day i'm a complainer... sigh .... also I literally made a brand new issue council report for this issue. How is the complaining? I'd say it's constructive critiscism. All I want is to have a fun game and profitable trade that attracts piracy is fun. Oh and I checked the last 10 videos, I made 6 positive videos and 4 negatives.. how is that always complaining? Ah yes, negativity attracts more views... then I invite you to also watch the positive ones then :) I made a really cool one about Polaris multicrewing with a wing of snub fighters :)