O Von Rothbart indeed, that and a remake of Suikoden 1 and 2, a remaster of 3, 4 and 5. I say release all of this on both XB1 and Switch too for maximum market saturation.
Tarren: "They've already been responded and liked it's fine to leave it." Isaac: "But I don't agree with them, I like Suikoden 4 more." Tarren: "But I do agree with them." :P Love the series guys.
Can we agree though that Nanami letting her adopted brother think she's dead just so she can have a vacay is a really dick and selfish move though? Never liked that aspect to the story.
Son of Tiamat I always interpreted it as she just couldn't cope anymore and she was hoping Riou would stop fighting and let someone else take over then she'd find him. Still a dick move though
The chronological order of the suikoden series itself here 😊: suikoden 4, suikoden tactics, suikoden 5, suikoden 1, suikoden 2, suikoden card battles, suikoden 3,
Embarking on this journey through the Suikoden timeline with Two Men and a Mic is like opening a treasure chest of lore. The way you weave together the tales of the five major games, despite the occasional name slip-up, brings the Suikoverse to life in a vivid and engaging manner. It’s a fantastic resource for both newcomers and long-time fans to appreciate the rich history and interconnected stories of this beloved series. Keep up the great work!
With Dwarfs, Elves, Kobolds, Wingers, Lizard people, Cat people, Beaver people and Mermaids, we can't rule out the possibility of amphibious frog ninjas.
@@nickochioneantony9288 A spiritual successor to Suikoden named Eiyuden Chronicle has been announced. It's being developed by Suikoden veterans and the kickstarter is live and mighty successful: www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabbitandbearstudios/eiyuden-chronicle-hundred-heroes/description
No, thank you. After all the disappointment I had with the remakes of RE2, RE3, and FF7, I am super okay with continuing playing original Suikoden 2, which is also my favorite game ever. I don't want them to ruin it with their "rEiMaGiNaTiOn".
Did you know: 1. There's a hidden point to actually unlock the "true ending" in Suikoden V where the prince serve as the Commander of the Queen's Knight. Temporarily called "Lym points" because it does depends on your interraction with Lymsleia, if you being mean to her the whole game, instead of choosing whether you want to follow Georg or Stay, the ending scene where the Prince left the Queendom being automatically played instead 2. Viki experience Suikoden the same way as the players do, so she starts by blewing up the wrong way from the very first Suikoden and disappear on every victory on each series into the next series. She sneezed on the ending of Suikoden V into pressmably the world of Suikoden VI (if it ever gonna came out at all)
@@farahani8291 . The entire Viki thing is totally screwed up. Technically she goes from S1-5 in order, thus the reason she tells the Prince she has met Jeane a lot if times in many different places, yet when she sees Lorelai she doesn't recognize her. I really think that the developers themselves didn't put much attention to what they were doing with her progression in the game.
I always considered Thomas to be the MC since he is the most stable story of the 4 Main roles. Cecil was single handedly one of my favorite characters and least favorite all because they (I refuse to acknowledge them as male or female since both seem wrong to me), are such hardcore Defense cannons. So good at taking and giving physical damage... in a game with a lot of non-physical atks. Franchise favorite character though is Vicky, because only she could be klutzy enough to accidentally appear in the same "era" twice and be able to team up with herself.
@@SeventhheavenDK When playing his chapters I started doubting that... Well I at least thought that he was less optional than Hugo. Man were the 3 main paths not equal; I liked Chris best of them and Hugo worse; if you include Thomas then Thomas was 2nd best of the 4. Hugo always felt like an after thought when I compared him to the other 3 storylines. That one black chick in his party was a decent addtion to that team (I think bow and arrow were her weapon); she was an awesome Earth magic person that I found indespensible. The roguish old man with queen and jack on his team was both interesting and to long as chapters; he is in 3rd because his story was not concise but I liked it otherwise, also his team was fun to fight with for me... unlike Hugo or early Thomas. Chris is my fav in part because I dig female knights; I also felt that without her part then the majority of the story would not work. Hugo may have been central to the plot but Chris actually felt important where Hugo was told as if he was. Her party was one of the funnest because she was not overpowered in comparrison to her companions. Best characters of the game though is Vikki (young and old).
Pigbenpus Wow "fun fact" lol sure. That definitely explains why they still made suikoden 5 and a multitude of portable games afterwards. No game killed the franchise, the franchise died because the developer team disbanded, and it was no final fantasy for konami to be interested in keeping it alive.
Matty K no, he's right. SIV, as much a I liked it killed its potential mainstream market. Suikoden V is just a last ditch to save the franchise from obscurity but commercially failed badly as the aftermath of SIV flop. Tierkries and the PSP game aren't even considered a real Suikoden game.
My guess was a bit off but its just my guts telling me the chronological events. At least by playing the game I get a sense of its order, thanks for clarifying man. Great work.
Suikoden I: hands down, best of the best along with Suikoden II Suikoden II: above Suikoden III: tbh, I don't really enjoy Suikoden III in terms of gameplay. but the story is really nice. AND THE MUSIC THO!? *crying clapping* Suikoden IV: honestly, you can hate me all you want, but Suikoden IV provided an entirely new War system, and that system is probably the best. at least for me Suikoden V: BEST STORY AND GAMEPLAY EVA
I really wish suikoden tactics would get the recognition it deserves, because even though it's considered a spin off title, it still offers a massive chunk of the canon story, is a direct sequel to suikoden 4, has a solid story itself and gives details on the suikoden multiverse, tying the whole suikoden franchise together. Not to mention it's possibly one of the best, if not the best, tactics games ever.
Matty K it doesn't really tie the whole setting together, it just adds more details for 4. It's also technically a prequel as well since the opening mission is before the events of 4
Pigbenpus Wow yes I am aware. However the whole multiverse concept was at the core of the game's story. That gives confirmation that tierkreis is actually canon as well. I don't think any mainline game's story relied so heavily on the multiverse concept than tactics.
suiken personal preference I guess. I just haven't seen an srpg implement elements and spellcasting the way suikoden tactics did. Plus it adapted the spells, runes and combo attacks from the main series seamlessly.
someone had to do this suikoden 1 and 2 are the best by far. with S2 being the best for sure.. I own the 4 book collection of outlaws of the marsh. Does anyone remember suiko source forums?
9:50 slain is a bit of an understatement, he (i always thought it was a female based on the role and actions taken by the character, you know a mother figure) he was eaten alive and not like chomp and he's gone no it was slow and painful and worce yet they probably remember it all when you bring them back, as much as this is my favourite and a beloved game that taught me to read when schools have given up on me dam did this bit horrifie me.
I do like 4 but the ocean travel was not my favorite. I think I set it to auto travel and played a gameboy game while waiting. But the story was fun. 2 was the first I played and loved that one but overall I think 5 is my favorite
Make Suikoden VI VII and VIII on the Harmonia Holy Kingdom for VI, then Western Continent for VII and then VIII for two island war "Gaean Dukedom vs. Zelant Kingdom. There is also Kooluk Empire the Kanakan, The Badlands, the Nameless lands west of Harmonian, Camaro Free Knights, the Eastern Landmass, New Armes Kingdom and the Nagarea Theocracy etc. So much more for the SUIKOVERSE. Konami sell the brand!
But I thought George Prime was one of the six great general of scarlet moon empire? During kalekka incident, George showed disapproval and fled to Falena and became Ferid's trusted ally? Is it not the case?
all bearer true rune is immortal as long as didnt die by illness or killed. and yes he get rune shen yuber neclird windy kill his village ted run while hold soul eatet
Two Men and a Mic it was another konami game that came out about the same time as suikoden 1 but if you never heard of it you never heard of it no big deal
We're still more than willing to do a lore if you have a specific request. Something you want the (Albeit at this time a small part of) the rest of the world to see?
S4 wasn't *that* bad. The main problem was the storyline, which was too short and didn't expand into the Kooluk empire. Graham Cray had Luca Blight-potential, but was grossly under developed. The same with Colton and Troy. The second problem was landscape design. A couple of the islands looked boring and depressing with few details, and sea travel was monotonous. On the plus side, you got one of the darkest true runes of the series, possibly only eclipsed by the soul eater, which also reappears through Ted. Lino en Kuldes is one of the greatest leaders seen in a Suikoden game to date, imo. You could build weapons and armour. Music was mostly pretty cool, and the Ritapon minigame is probably the best in the series. Suikoden Tactics was excellent, enjoyed that from start to finish and it concluded the story of Kooluk, but should have been a part of Part 4.
Having played through the game again Isaac can't disagree. Most of his opinion about Suikoden 4 definitely came from his love for the game series stemming from 4 being the first one he played. But when compared with the others, it's super short, without digging into it or assuming allot of stuff it's comparatively sparse on story and let's face it as soon as you can teleport hardly anyone sails unless absolutely necessary. (telling me at least that it was definitely not the best mode of travel). All of that being said. Isaac still loves it for the characters, As you mentioned one of the greatest leaders of all time in Lino en Kuldes, Not just a King but a true leader. The COOLEST RUNE in the game series. (again IMO) I also loooove boats, sailing ships, all of that. And while super easy to over lvl if you never run the game still has challenges along the way. And yes Ritapon is amazing. :P Suikoden Tactics is also very fun. But I can agree that the additional story points would have been better to include in 4.
@@Princeharrythethird i havent read much about it all i know is suikoden 1 and 2 will be coming together as one. pre-order can be place now. maybe look at other youtube to see if there are any new news.
The Biggest question Is Why Camus the commander of Red knight In Suikoden 2, Viktor, Flik and other suikoden 2 Characters that goes to Grassland are not appear In Suikoden 3?? In ending we'll see the destiny or what will gonna do after the game of every character. Especially George Prime also didn't appear In last timeline of Suikoden universe.
I maybe alone with my opinion but I think that the suikoden series was a better series than final fantasy it just didn't have as big of a following. I would love to see this series revived but know it will never happen
it should be good if we actually have the Yubel and Pesmerga closure, Sindar Mystery, Viki Mystery and so on. S3 should be the greatest of all 5 but instead the perfect wrap out that ties things together since S3 indirectly involving Harmonia, Komoney let the saga dies.
Maybe eyuden chronicle is supposed to be suikiden 6, but maybe they dropped that idea. And prepare another Suikoden 6. I hope so soon. There are still unsolved mysteries that was still unknown.
Hey! Don't forget to support the spiritual successor to Suikoden! www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabbitandbearstudios/eiyuden-chronicle-hundred-heroes/description
Actually no, and precisely the Falenna family having silver hair was one of the reasons they gave Jeane pink hair in SuikoV, so people would not confuse her as part of them.
Wow! Somebody said that Suikoden 4 was he's favorite game... Well Suikoden 2 is the best of the series but 5 is my favorite! Is underrated thanks in part of how awful the 4 was.
Am I the only one who wants a remake of all suikoden series or make a game where all of the characters would meet up? Or just mix up like time travel some sort?😂 Sorry i just really like suikoden and cant move on their endings.
nice timeline but why did you put the focus in suikoden 2 on jowey? i know he and his story is important, but still, riou is the mc of suikoden 2 and the unification of the jowston city states in the dunan war is more relevant in terms of plot o.o
Because the central point of the plot really is the conflict between the Sword and Shield runes. Jowey's plot is therefore incredibly important, as they were destined to have to clash with each other. Their stories mirror each other in multiple ways, in order for the destined conflict between them to happen.
Heres what baffles me a little bit when I see the timeline Suikoden II takes place 3 years after Suikoden ? Yet in Suikoden II when (SPOILER ALERT!!!!): Victor and Flik saves Ryu and Jowy from the execution, Rowd runs away, Victor says "I Could have had him 5 years ago" This has allways had my interest in the stories, what happened 5 years ago between Victor and Rowd? Has this even been explained?
We thought it's mentioned in this video, if we didn't you can check out our video on Ted himself. But the timeline is accurate. Ted does appear in Suikoden 4, yes. But in Suikoden 1 when we get a shot of his history, where it's revealed that he's several hundred years old. In fact he'd been alive for (if we remember correctly) more than a century before Suikoden 4 happens. So he's just old. Link to Ted's Video: th-cam.com/video/N8hxKGrW9E4/w-d-xo.html
suiko 3 & 5 has weird stat mechanic, suiko 3 all SoD had no physical def stat, suiko 5 all SoD has the same physical def stat, suiko 2 has the best stat mechanic
There's actually 2 different endings for Suikoden V. Just sayin. One where if you've collected enough "Lymslia points" you end the game as the new Commander of the Queens Knights. Otherwise, The prince, Lyon and Georg all leave Felena together
That is true, you are absolutely correct. For brevity we simply focused on the full 108 star, "best ending" scenarios for each of the games, touching only lightly on the other possible endings.
I have to be honest: Suikoden Tierkreis has by far the best storyline. Personal opinion. I don't really care for political squabbles and overthrowing a baaad bad government. Fighting a demigod and his army in and with other parallel universes, though? Fuck yeah!
Suikoden V needed some serious polish. That game felt empty, with slow pacing and had abysmal load times for a visually uninteresting late gen PS2 game...but damn it definitely had the same heart as Suiko I and II...I think Konami is to blame for rushing the development of that game.
Rare to see someone put Suikoden 4 so high since it’s generally considered the worst of the series. 5 is my personal favourite even if it doesn’t really hold up graphically.
"My favorite game is 4" - wait ... WHAT? How anyone can put 4 above the masterpiece that is the first 2. Or even 3 and 5 is so beyond me. Its like someone saying Terminator Genysis is their favorite Terminator movie. I immediately disregard your opinion
If we recall accurately you're correct. We simply decided to focus on the numbered installments to save time and for thematics. So, short answer, yes, we are missing Tactics, ironically we figured we'd have people asking about the other two games if we did include it, guess that happened anyway, lol.
Haha aa :) there are also 2 Visual novel stile Japanese only games that taks plase during suikoden 2 as well but yes i can understand only useing the nuberd ones.
This timeline will never matter again bros. Hikusaak won. The Circle Rune has made this timeline forever loop. Our heroes changed nothing, because the Circle Rune refuses to let the future change.
Tierkreis is not a "Cannon" game. By that we mean that it does not take place in the same universe/planet, etc. As Suikoden 1-5. in fact it doesn't even imply a rune mechanic, replacing it with instead chronicles for magic. So while for some reason it shares a name with the games and even similar play styles it's not a core game and doesn't make it into the core game timeline.
Using some imagination and fanfiction capabilities, you could call Tierkries the "Million Worlds" dimension of the main series. Thanks, Templeton 2018. @@TrueMastersandMorons
@@Blues3088 "Liberation Army" vs. "Imperial Army"/"The Scarlet Moon Empire"? The "underground resistance" trope when 1st meeting Odessa in "LENANKAMP"??? Attempting to save & liberate victims of genocide (Elves' Village)/(WWII)? Most of the game is about saving the lower classes from the wealthy, tyrannical Empire.
there are a bit of lore missing, Sukoden Tactics takes place before and after IV, and there is more for 2 and 3, giving some story to Nash Viki is a fun character, showing up in different places and times outside the natural order of time. she even meets lorelai twice, as lorelai mentions an encounter with viki she had yet to have. she even ends up in the same place twice at the same time allowing u to recruit a young and older viki also u missed the ds n psp.......SURELY THEY ARE PART OF THE STORY
So as mentioned: We only covered the core games, which means no Suikoden Tactics (though we did give Tactics its own video, link here: th-cam.com/video/8RMliFu4yaw/w-d-xo.html) As for the DS and PSP games, Tierkries and Genso Suikoden, those are neither considered canon, nor, even if they were, are they in the same world as the core games. Thus, canon or not, they don't share the same story, because they don't take place in the same world. (One of them doesn't even have runes for its magic system.) Hope that clears things up, and sorry if we missed details from 2 and 3.
I wanted to give a thumbs up, but the pronunciations are bad. Did you play S5? They actually say the names in the game. And it is not "Sweekoden," it is Su-ee-ko-den.
In my imagination i even had a better story than suikoden 4... if only im good at design im sure i can make a better suikoden than 4 tbh...just stick with 2d who cares about 3d since it has a lame and slow motion effect..
Suikoden 2 is hands down the best one, but V was so overlooked. Such an amazing RPG
Suiko2 and 5 are definitely my favorite.
I own #2 still do no I won't sell it
Glad someone said it! 2 will always have a special place in my heart but I was shocked how enjoyable and well done 5 was.
We want Suikoden 6 on ps4 with a different true rune and character timeline!
O Von Rothbart indeed, that and a remake of Suikoden 1 and 2, a remaster of 3, 4 and 5. I say release all of this on both XB1 and Switch too for maximum market saturation.
Someone needs to totally disband Konami and better if square enix buy suikoden's assets and rights
Not believe on Konami anymore
@@ronank2432 square enix also sucks now most game studios suck now
Ronan Biong hell not square Enix
suikoden 2 is the best suikoden
Nale Animation epic story
Tarren: "They've already been responded and liked it's fine to leave it."
Isaac: "But I don't agree with them, I like Suikoden 4 more."
Tarren: "But I do agree with them."
:P Love the series guys.
Can we agree though that Nanami letting her adopted brother think she's dead just so she can have a vacay is a really dick and selfish move though? Never liked that aspect to the story.
Son of Tiamat for the longest I thought she was killed in battle because I didn't understand the stars of destiny
Son of Tiamat I always interpreted it as she just couldn't cope anymore and she was hoping Riou would stop fighting and let someone else take over then she'd find him. Still a dick move though
The chronological order of the suikoden series itself here 😊: suikoden 4, suikoden tactics, suikoden 5, suikoden 1, suikoden 2, suikoden card battles, suikoden 3,
1 & 2 are my favorite Suikoden games
Those will always hold a special place in Tarren's heart, first two he played, first two he loved.
Embarking on this journey through the Suikoden timeline with Two Men and a Mic is like opening a treasure chest of lore. The way you weave together the tales of the five major games, despite the occasional name slip-up, brings the Suikoverse to life in a vivid and engaging manner. It’s a fantastic resource for both newcomers and long-time fans to appreciate the rich history and interconnected stories of this beloved series. Keep up the great work!
Fun Fact: Another way the Suikoden games pay homage to Water Margin, your base in each game is either on or at the edge of water.
That's another great way to pay tribute. We hadn't put that together but that's awesome. Thank you.
Having a base near water is a tactical advantage as it limits the point of entry (unless u are dealing with submarines or amphibious frog ninjas)
With Dwarfs, Elves, Kobolds, Wingers, Lizard people, Cat people, Beaver people and Mermaids, we can't rule out the possibility of amphibious frog ninjas.
I just realize it, after playing it since the first time i got psone :D
Beaver is pretty close to Amphibious Frog Ninja, except the fact that they are a Beaver.
Out of 5 Suikoden 2 is still the best🔥
i need a suikoden 2 remake on ps4😭
von bulanadi we need a whole series remake
@@nickochioneantony9288 A spiritual successor to Suikoden named Eiyuden Chronicle has been announced. It's being developed by Suikoden veterans and the kickstarter is live and mighty successful: www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabbitandbearstudios/eiyuden-chronicle-hundred-heroes/description
@@Asdqwezxc_JC yes, i already checkin on it... thx for your info
No, thank you.
After all the disappointment I had with the remakes of RE2, RE3, and FF7, I am super okay with continuing playing original Suikoden 2, which is also my favorite game ever. I don't want them to ruin it with their "rEiMaGiNaTiOn".
Well guess what
Did you know:
1. There's a hidden point to actually unlock the "true ending" in Suikoden V where the prince serve as the Commander of the Queen's Knight. Temporarily called "Lym points" because it does depends on your interraction with Lymsleia, if you being mean to her the whole game, instead of choosing whether you want to follow Georg or Stay, the ending scene where the Prince left the Queendom being automatically played instead
2. Viki experience Suikoden the same way as the players do, so she starts by blewing up the wrong way from the very first Suikoden and disappear on every victory on each series into the next series. She sneezed on the ending of Suikoden V into pressmably the world of Suikoden VI (if it ever gonna came out at all)
We did know the 1st thing. Did not know the second thing.
Viki sneeze in suikoden v, she goes to suikoden 1 > 2 > 3
i never got the ending scene that prince leaving, i played it multiple times too. wth
that means that Viki is going from 4>5>1>2>3 damnnn
@@farahani8291 . The entire Viki thing is totally screwed up.
Technically she goes from S1-5 in order, thus the reason she tells the Prince she has met Jeane a lot if times in many different places, yet when she sees Lorelai she doesn't recognize her.
I really think that the developers themselves didn't put much attention to what they were doing with her progression in the game.
any Suikoden content deserves a thumb up and a subscribe!
Man I miss the suikoden series.
They were sooo good!
To anyone asking about suikosource, I still frequent it but not as lively as it used to be...
Same sentiment here
I always considered Thomas to be the MC since he is the most stable story of the 4 Main roles. Cecil was single handedly one of my favorite characters and least favorite all because they (I refuse to acknowledge them as male or female since both seem wrong to me), are such hardcore Defense cannons. So good at taking and giving physical damage... in a game with a lot of non-physical atks.
Franchise favorite character though is Vicky, because only she could be klutzy enough to accidentally appear in the same "era" twice and be able to team up with herself.
Thomas story is optional, tho.
Far from being the main character
@@SeventhheavenDK When playing his chapters I started doubting that... Well I at least thought that he was less optional than Hugo.
Man were the 3 main paths not equal; I liked Chris best of them and Hugo worse; if you include Thomas then Thomas was 2nd best of the 4.
Hugo always felt like an after thought when I compared him to the other 3 storylines. That one black chick in his party was a decent addtion to that team (I think bow and arrow were her weapon); she was an awesome Earth magic person that I found indespensible.
The roguish old man with queen and jack on his team was both interesting and to long as chapters; he is in 3rd because his story was not concise but I liked it otherwise, also his team was fun to fight with for me... unlike Hugo or early Thomas.
Chris is my fav in part because I dig female knights; I also felt that without her part then the majority of the story would not work. Hugo may have been central to the plot but Chris actually felt important where Hugo was told as if he was. Her party was one of the funnest because she was not overpowered in comparrison to her companions.
Best characters of the game though is Vikki (young and old).
3 minutes into the video and I'm already shocked to hear Suikoden 4 is someone's favorite Suikoden.
cipater yeah I had to rewind a few times to make sure I heard it right
Hey it's my favorite too, mainly cuz of suikoden tactics and kika
Matty K ick, tactics. Fun fact, 4 and tactics is basically what killed the franchise.
Pigbenpus Wow "fun fact" lol sure. That definitely explains why they still made suikoden 5 and a multitude of portable games afterwards. No game killed the franchise, the franchise died because the developer team disbanded, and it was no final fantasy for konami to be interested in keeping it alive.
Matty K no, he's right. SIV, as much a I liked it killed its potential mainstream market. Suikoden V is just a last ditch to save the franchise from obscurity but commercially failed badly as the aftermath of SIV flop. Tierkries and the PSP game aren't even considered a real Suikoden game.
My guess was a bit off but its just my guts telling me the chronological events. At least by playing the game I get a sense of its order, thanks for clarifying man. Great work.
Thanks, glad you like the video :)
Suikoden I: hands down, best of the best along with Suikoden II
Suikoden II: above
Suikoden III: tbh, I don't really enjoy Suikoden III in terms of gameplay. but the story is really nice. AND THE MUSIC THO!? *crying clapping*
Suikoden IV: honestly, you can hate me all you want, but Suikoden IV provided an entirely new War system, and that system is probably the best. at least for me
Suikoden V: BEST STORY AND GAMEPLAY EVA
I really wish suikoden tactics would get the recognition it deserves, because even though it's considered a spin off title, it still offers a massive chunk of the canon story, is a direct sequel to suikoden 4, has a solid story itself and gives details on the suikoden multiverse, tying the whole suikoden franchise together. Not to mention it's possibly one of the best, if not the best, tactics games ever.
Matty K it doesn't really tie the whole setting together, it just adds more details for 4. It's also technically a prequel as well since the opening mission is before the events of 4
Pigbenpus Wow yes I am aware. However the whole multiverse concept was at the core of the game's story. That gives confirmation that tierkreis is actually canon as well. I don't think any mainline game's story relied so heavily on the multiverse concept than tactics.
It alright for an SRPG, but nowhere near the best.
Matty K the multiverse is the worst part of Suikoden lmao it's so fuckin stupid
suiken personal preference I guess. I just haven't seen an srpg implement elements and spellcasting the way suikoden tactics did. Plus it adapted the spells, runes and combo attacks from the main series seamlessly.
someone had to do this
suikoden 1 and 2 are the best by far. with S2 being the best for sure.. I own the 4 book collection of outlaws of the marsh. Does anyone remember suiko source forums?
It's been years since I posted there. I wonder if it's still kicking.
thank you so much for this. i loved it
Hopefully they make a Suikoden VI played all of it starting from Ps1 in year 1998... if not at least a GOOD port of suikoden II on Steam
1 , 2 and 3 are my favorites.
9:50 slain is a bit of an understatement, he (i always thought it was a female based on the role and actions taken by the character, you know a mother figure) he was eaten alive and not like chomp and he's gone no it was slow and painful and worce yet they probably remember it all when you bring them back, as much as this is my favourite and a beloved game that taught me to read when schools have given up on me dam did this bit horrifie me.
Agree...
I do like 4 but the ocean travel was not my favorite. I think I set it to auto travel and played a gameboy game while waiting. But the story was fun. 2 was the first I played and loved that one but overall I think 5 is my favorite
Ohh so i thought the suikoden story is chronologically made. Also Luc was my favorite character in Suikoden 2 lol.
wow i really surprised, there's someone choose suikoden 4 as their favorite
Suikoden 2 all time classic
Damn, i thought suikoden 5 timeline is in far past. Didnt know it was so close to suikoden 1
Thanks for the video
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it. :)
Aye, it's 4 that takes place in the distant past and it is considered the weak link of the series I might add.
You forgot that Lorerai is also on V? She is not that old on II.
Make Suikoden VI VII and VIII on the Harmonia Holy Kingdom for VI, then Western Continent for VII and then VIII for two island war "Gaean Dukedom vs. Zelant Kingdom.
There is also Kooluk Empire the Kanakan, The Badlands, the Nameless lands west of Harmonian, Camaro Free Knights, the Eastern Landmass, New Armes Kingdom and the Nagarea Theocracy etc. So much more for the SUIKOVERSE. Konami sell the brand!
I believe it was revealed in Suikogaiden, initially, that Jowy defected to highland because Luca threatened to kill his family.
We know he was threatened, that's true. As far as whether that was his actual motivator, or other reasons, or both, is slightly less clear.
May I ask why Luca spares Jowy instead of straight up killing him?
He feels that he can some use out of Jowy.
Can't wait for the remaster
But I thought George Prime was one of the six great general of scarlet moon empire? During kalekka incident, George showed disapproval and fled to Falena and became Ferid's trusted ally? Is it not the case?
Full disclosure, we wrote and researched this two years ago. We have no recollection at this point.
You’re correct. George was the 6th great general. He departed to Falena after Kalleka due to his friendship with Ferid.
SONY PLEASE MAKE A SUIKODEN COLLECTION FOR PS4 THANKS
[Even if i just played IV i just loved it and i dont have the games even tho a ps2 or 1 sooooo]
Even though we don't have a PS4 (yet) That would be awesome!
How about ted one of the character in suikoden 1 can recruit in suikoden 4 even show how he get soul eater
ted 100++ years old?
all bearer true rune is immortal as long as didnt die by illness or killed. and yes he get rune shen yuber neclird windy kill his village ted run while hold soul eatet
How he got Soul Eater back. His village was already destroyed by the time Sukoden 4 happened.
Great Video
I'd like to see something on Tierkries the battles we're not extremely hard but overall the game was good and the story was really good
good video thank you and keep going
Any plans to do vandal hearts stuff? These two games were my shit when I was a kid
We had never heard of Vandal Hearts. But would be happy to do something, Is there something specific you would want to see done?
Two Men and a Mic it was another konami game that came out about the same time as suikoden 1 but if you never heard of it you never heard of it no big deal
We're still more than willing to do a lore if you have a specific request. Something you want the (Albeit at this time a small part of) the rest of the world to see?
S4 wasn't *that* bad. The main problem was the storyline, which was too short and didn't expand into the Kooluk empire. Graham Cray had Luca Blight-potential, but was grossly under developed. The same with Colton and Troy. The second problem was landscape design. A couple of the islands looked boring and depressing with few details, and sea travel was monotonous. On the plus side, you got one of the darkest true runes of the series, possibly only eclipsed by the soul eater, which also reappears through Ted. Lino en Kuldes is one of the greatest leaders seen in a Suikoden game to date, imo. You could build weapons and armour. Music was mostly pretty cool, and the Ritapon minigame is probably the best in the series. Suikoden Tactics was excellent, enjoyed that from start to finish and it concluded the story of Kooluk, but should have been a part of Part 4.
Having played through the game again Isaac can't disagree. Most of his opinion about Suikoden 4 definitely came from his love for the game series stemming from 4 being the first one he played. But when compared with the others, it's super short, without digging into it or assuming allot of stuff it's comparatively sparse on story and let's face it as soon as you can teleport hardly anyone sails unless absolutely necessary. (telling me at least that it was definitely not the best mode of travel). All of that being said. Isaac still loves it for the characters, As you mentioned one of the greatest leaders of all time in Lino en Kuldes, Not just a King but a true leader. The COOLEST RUNE in the game series. (again IMO) I also loooove boats, sailing ships, all of that. And while super easy to over lvl if you never run the game still has challenges along the way. And yes Ritapon is amazing. :P
Suikoden Tactics is also very fun. But I can agree that the additional story points would have been better to include in 4.
Suikoden 6 should follow S3 chronologically and bring S1, S2 and S3 protagonists. 😁
Suikoden 1 remastered please!
after long wait, remaster is in switch, yeah...
@@0niSouL is it fix? When? Will it be a Remaster or a Remake??
@@Princeharrythethird coming to switch this year, remaster version, mid year or later, i think around june july
@@0niSouL to switch? Wow i thought only for PS4 Store. Will they onl fix the graphics to HD for switch & ps4? Or will they add special Things?
@@Princeharrythethird i havent read much about it all i know is suikoden 1 and 2 will be coming together as one. pre-order can be place now. maybe look at other youtube to see if there are any new news.
Thank you!
The Biggest question Is Why Camus the commander of Red knight In Suikoden 2, Viktor, Flik and other suikoden 2 Characters that goes to Grassland are not appear In Suikoden 3?? In ending we'll see the destiny or what will gonna do after the game of every character. Especially George Prime also didn't appear In last timeline of Suikoden universe.
Forgot the Suikoden Woven Web of Centuries? Did that occur after everything?
I really hope they make another series, its awesome game. the way they combine RPG n SIM is great
Nanda Rizki how exactly is it a sim?
Pigbenpus Wow sorry, its castle building simulation ,its like rts but its not, Im not really sure what to call it.
Nanda Rizki uh, your castle opens more areas as you get more stars of destiny. Nothing very rts or sim-like about it. It's just an unlock
Pigbenpus Wow do you forget about strategic war?
yeah, I know its too far if you compare it with the rts game, but that the best we get at that time
I maybe alone with my opinion but I think that the suikoden series was a better series than final fantasy it just didn't have as big of a following. I would love to see this series revived but know it will never happen
Wait, wouldn't cutting Luk's hand get rid of it? Why didn't he think that?
Suikoden V and Suikoden II wars should've last about two to three years at most. Due to the length of story, landmass and movement of armies.
You forgot tactics that comes before 4
Not main numbered title perhaps?
it should be good if we actually have the Yubel and Pesmerga closure, Sindar Mystery, Viki Mystery and so on.
S3 should be the greatest of all 5 but instead the perfect wrap out that ties things together since S3 indirectly involving Harmonia, Komoney let the saga dies.
suikoden tactics non-canon? why was it not included to this video?
The end of Suikoden II has more to do with what you choose to do rather than acquiring the 108 stars
Gremio wasn’t resurrected. He was pulled through time, therefore, he was never killed.
Did Solar Year Calendar is tell every timeline of this series?
you missed rhapsodia. suikoden tactics. that is prior to suikoden 4
We only did the core games in this timeline, we do have specific video on Tactics though.
Weird. You're missing Suikoden 6, 7 & 8. They really tied the games together.
Is Luc become antargonist on S3? I never play S3, damn
Yes, Luc is the hidden bad guy masterminding everything in Suikoden 3.
iqbal abdillah yes, he is indeed the main antagonist of Suikoden 3, along with Yuber, Sarah and a few others.
Maybe eyuden chronicle is supposed to be suikiden 6, but maybe they dropped that idea. And prepare another Suikoden 6. I hope so soon. There are still unsolved mysteries that was still unknown.
Hey! Don't forget to support the spiritual successor to Suikoden! www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabbitandbearstudios/eiyuden-chronicle-hundred-heroes/description
I wonder if Jeanne is related to the Falena royal family? They all have the same hair color.
Possibly? We of course, don't know any more than you, lol!
Actually no, and precisely the Falenna family having silver hair was one of the reasons they gave Jeane pink hair in SuikoV, so people would not confuse her as part of them.
Where is suikoden tactics?
Right here! th-cam.com/video/8RMliFu4yaw/w-d-xo.html
Overall I liked the video, but it was grating to hear you butcher the names in Suikoden V.
2,1,5,4,3 in this order
Wow! Somebody said that Suikoden 4 was he's favorite game... Well Suikoden 2 is the best of the series but 5 is my favorite! Is underrated thanks in part of how awful the 4 was.
Am I the only one who wants a remake of all suikoden series or make a game where all of the characters would meet up? Or just mix up like time travel some sort?😂 Sorry i just really like suikoden and cant move on their endings.
you can add rhapsodia or suikoden tactics, its direct sequel to S IV. and definitely better than S IV
We actually have a video on Suikoden Tactics right here: th-cam.com/video/8RMliFu4yaw/w-d-xo.html hope you enjoy!
Love it
I miss suikoden.
They are good games, ya :)
My Suikoden Rank list:
1.Suikoden II
2.Suikoden V
3.Suikoden I
4.Suikoden IV
5.Suikoden III
Mine is similar just change 3 with 4.
Do a suikoden lp series but do it in chronological order instead of release
That would be a very long series, lol, but we enjoy the games and could see possibly doing that in future.
nice timeline but why did you put the focus in suikoden 2 on jowey? i know he and his story is important, but still, riou is the mc of suikoden 2 and the unification of the jowston city states in the dunan war is more relevant in terms of plot o.o
Because the central point of the plot really is the conflict between the Sword and Shield runes. Jowey's plot is therefore incredibly important, as they were destined to have to clash with each other. Their stories mirror each other in multiple ways, in order for the destined conflict between them to happen.
Really, equal time should have been given to both rune bearers tbh.
@@GoochTaylor . No, at all.
Heres what baffles me a little bit when I see the timeline
Suikoden II takes place 3 years after Suikoden ? Yet in Suikoden II when (SPOILER ALERT!!!!): Victor and Flik saves Ryu and Jowy from the execution, Rowd runs away, Victor says "I Could have had him 5 years ago"
This has allways had my interest in the stories, what happened 5 years ago between Victor and Rowd? Has this even been explained?
Nothing happened between them.
It was just Victor's way of saying he is feeling older.
Konami name the prince in Suikoden 5 Freyadour
so Viki is teleporters and Jeane is immortal and Ted have 100+ years old??
and Luc 150++ years old??
Your favorite is 4?
the time line was wrong...
how about ted appearing at suikoden 4?
and he's bring the judgement rune with him in suikoden 4?
We thought it's mentioned in this video, if we didn't you can check out our video on Ted himself. But the timeline is accurate. Ted does appear in Suikoden 4, yes. But in Suikoden 1 when we get a shot of his history, where it's revealed that he's several hundred years old. In fact he'd been alive for (if we remember correctly) more than a century before Suikoden 4 happens. So he's just old.
Link to Ted's Video: th-cam.com/video/N8hxKGrW9E4/w-d-xo.html
ted bring soul eater not rune of punishment
Did he just say his favourite is the 4th Suikoden?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?
I always pronounced it as shoekuden..guess I was wrong
suiko 3 & 5 has weird stat mechanic, suiko 3 all SoD had no physical def stat, suiko 5 all SoD has the same physical def stat, suiko 2 has the best stat mechanic
You didnt mention 1 & 4?
@@timtams_6 1&4 stat mechanic are same as 2, but less detailed because it doesn't tell you how much the stats grows when the char level up
There's a suikoden tactics right?
Yep, and we actually did a lore video on it, linked here: th-cam.com/video/8RMliFu4yaw/w-d-xo.html
There's actually 2 different endings for Suikoden V. Just sayin.
One where if you've collected enough "Lymslia points" you end the game as the new Commander of the Queens Knights. Otherwise, The prince, Lyon and Georg all leave Felena together
That is true, you are absolutely correct. For brevity we simply focused on the full 108 star, "best ending" scenarios for each of the games, touching only lightly on the other possible endings.
Do star ocean
Anything specifically from the Star Ocean(s) you'd like to see?
What about suikoden tactics?
Here's our video on Tactics: th-cam.com/video/8RMliFu4yaw/w-d-xo.html
I have to be honest: Suikoden Tierkreis has by far the best storyline. Personal opinion. I don't really care for political squabbles and overthrowing a baaad bad government.
Fighting a demigod and his army in and with other parallel universes, though? Fuck yeah!
🙄
Suikoden 4 is your personal favorite? D*mn, 1st time hearing it from a Suikoden fan. 😂
Suikoden V needed some serious polish. That game felt empty, with slow pacing and had abysmal load times for a visually uninteresting late gen PS2 game...but damn it definitely had the same heart as Suiko I and II...I think Konami is to blame for rushing the development of that game.
we need remake 😡😡💔💔
Rare to see someone put Suikoden 4 so high since it’s generally considered the worst of the series. 5 is my personal favourite even if it doesn’t really hold up graphically.
"My favorite game is 4" - wait ... WHAT? How anyone can put 4 above the masterpiece that is the first 2. Or even 3 and 5 is so beyond me. Its like someone saying Terminator Genysis is their favorite Terminator movie. I immediately disregard your opinion
are you not missing Suikoden Tactics?
If you count spin offs then also tierkreis and tsumugareshi
Tactics is in the main story tho i belive, Tier and Tsum are not
If we recall accurately you're correct. We simply decided to focus on the numbered installments to save time and for thematics. So, short answer, yes, we are missing Tactics, ironically we figured we'd have people asking about the other two games if we did include it, guess that happened anyway, lol.
Haha aa :) there are also 2 Visual novel stile Japanese only games that taks plase during suikoden 2 as well but yes i can understand only useing the nuberd ones.
This timeline will never matter again bros.
Hikusaak won. The Circle Rune has made this timeline forever loop.
Our heroes changed nothing, because the Circle Rune refuses to let the future change.
Suikoden 2 the best
Abaaaa naglalaro ka din pala netoooooo aha! :D
Is suikoden tierkreis not related?
Tierkreis is not a "Cannon" game. By that we mean that it does not take place in the same universe/planet, etc. As Suikoden 1-5. in fact it doesn't even imply a rune mechanic, replacing it with instead chronicles for magic. So while for some reason it shares a name with the games and even similar play styles it's not a core game and doesn't make it into the core game timeline.
Using some imagination and fanfiction capabilities, you could call Tierkries the "Million Worlds" dimension of the main series. Thanks, Templeton 2018. @@TrueMastersandMorons
The protagonist's mission in Suikoden I is Marxist AF.
How so?
@@Blues3088 "Liberation Army" vs. "Imperial Army"/"The Scarlet Moon Empire"? The "underground resistance" trope when 1st meeting Odessa in "LENANKAMP"??? Attempting to save & liberate victims of genocide (Elves' Village)/(WWII)? Most of the game is about saving the lower classes from the wealthy, tyrannical Empire.
@@d.c.8828 Those concepts all predate Marxism in the real world. They have nothing to do with it LOL
there are a bit of lore missing, Sukoden Tactics takes place before and after IV, and there is more for 2 and 3, giving some story to Nash
Viki is a fun character, showing up in different places and times outside the natural order of time. she even meets lorelai twice, as lorelai mentions an encounter with viki she had yet to have. she even ends up in the same place twice at the same time allowing u to recruit a young and older viki
also u missed the ds n psp.......SURELY THEY ARE PART OF THE STORY
So as mentioned: We only covered the core games, which means no Suikoden Tactics (though we did give Tactics its own video, link here: th-cam.com/video/8RMliFu4yaw/w-d-xo.html)
As for the DS and PSP games, Tierkries and Genso Suikoden, those are neither considered canon, nor, even if they were, are they in the same world as the core games. Thus, canon or not, they don't share the same story, because they don't take place in the same world. (One of them doesn't even have runes for its magic system.)
Hope that clears things up, and sorry if we missed details from 2 and 3.
@@TrueMastersandMorons and I am glad you only covered the main titles, personally I am not interested in the spin offs.
15 mins of video, but never explain how they are connected to each other...
I wanted to give a thumbs up, but the pronunciations are bad. Did you play S5? They actually say the names in the game. And it is not "Sweekoden," it is Su-ee-ko-den.
You guys dont have suikoden tactics
Tactics got its own video: th-cam.com/video/8RMliFu4yaw/w-d-xo.html
In my imagination i even had a better story than suikoden 4... if only im good at design im sure i can make a better suikoden than 4 tbh...just stick with 2d who cares about 3d since it has a lame and slow motion effect..
I don't Like suikoden tactics since other character will be killed hahaha but I manage to end the story