Which 3D Printer Should You Buy for Miniature Tabletop Wargaming
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- Which 3D Printer Should You Buy? - The Results Will Shock You this is not click bait i made this video to see which printer was best bang for the money turns out when you get your setting and resins right and good Stl print files there all amazing
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As an American who's laying in bed, when you went to the second bunch of printers and said "it's about a thousand pounds" I freaked out about how your table wasn't collapsing.
Same thing here! Lmao
Its at this moment you realise how utterly stupid all your metrics are
@@janeblogs324 lmao even as kids we know how bad it is... As soon as someone says "a foot" and you look down to see a different size you realize something is amiss
@@CaptJABRONIE as a kid I measured everything in sub sandwiches. It was a simple more universal metric.
A Pound is like a dollar, just worth more ;-) [When I first came to the States many years ago I got $2.48 for £1 now its close to $1 for £1] In 2000 I had a hell of a job trying to explain that to some Floridian contractors who just presumed every currency was like a million esquadoodles to one dollar US and seriously would not believe me that the nominal value of a pound was greater than a dollar. I was simply dissing the States as far as they were concerned. I had to say I was joking with them so as not to be assaulted.
This video doesn't capture how much of a long drawn out pain in the ass it must have been to do all these tests. Nice one.
Changing all those FEP's too...so many screws 😅
I always watch these videos and just get sad. I've been printing for 2+ years and I've not once had a print without a fail. I've just accepted it at this point. I've done the same model exposed from 2.5s all the way to 12s and they just. Don't. work. I've tried absolutely everything and can never find any help. I really wish that people were more honest about the fact that resin 3d printing is... About the most demoralizing thing you can do.
I’m pretty sure when Creality’s marketing department named the Halot, they didn’t imagine Luke spending a video talking about how happy he was with the results from the Harlot
Cracked me up very time he said it.
I want a Harlot - perfect marketing tagline.. They've already leaned into that angle before. Seems to be working out for them.
"What a stupid idea this is". Hahaha, you put a great big smile on my face with that intro.
You have too many printers Luke, it's time we had a little talk about your problem.
The opening line, "this was a stupid idea"... perfect. :D
I just bought literally the cheapest SLA printer on Amazon - the Phrozen Mini. It cost me $130. And it's AMAZING. 2k prints with anti-aliasing, and I can't distinguish any layers or artifacts at all. Small print bed, but PERFECT for gaming miniatures!
Do you think It would be a good start for printing 3d mini's? I want to print characters from warhammer40k
would it work with 10/15mm minis??
Its that small bed that saves you. Larger beds with 2k suffer.
Don't let the "2K" fool you. Best thing about a small screen is the fact that you get considerable PPI gains. A small 2K printer is equal in quality to a bigger 4K printer. You need an 8K printer if you want good details with a big build plate.
I've read some reviews on the one you got and saw a few with some major issues. After 10 months how is it going for you?
Personally I think the next big discussion around 3D printing that is not happening on TH-cam as far as I can see is the effect of temperature and humidity on the printing. I am betting it has a huge impact on the settings and the variety of temperatures and humidity levels is what causes so many people to have so many different opinions on the best settings for their prints.
Siraya tech blu will not print for me if it’s below 30C.
Cooler temperature = more viscous resin = need slower lift speed to let the resin flow back under the build plate between layers.
@@alfredpotts6136 that's one aspect of it but I wonder if it also changes the chemistry. It very well could change the exposure time because it slows the chemical reaction or could even prevent the chemical reaction.
Thank you for spending the time to do all this testing. Massive help.
This is exactly why I love Luke's videos. No fluff straight to the meat of the issues. Great information.
And zMUD...
I have tried to get recommendations for resins online for a while. So this is a 2 for 1 video..
Great review. It's amazing how cheap these 3D printers has become, and the quality is simply fantastic. If anyone had said to me that I could 3D print miniatures in my home 15 years ago I'm pretty sure that I would have argued against them :) Thanks for posting another great video.
They basicaly said exactly this to me and I laughed. Because I wasn't a lottery winner at this point. And today, it is a little bit bigger christmas present...
I mean, to be fair 15 years ago you would have been right 💁
Two things I had to do with my Saturn to get it printing well- increase the lift height (mine is at 7mm currently, but I've read of others going to 10mm) and install a new FEP. The factory installed FEP was not tight enough, and the insufficient lift height meant the FEP didn't fully release from the build. This resulted in rafts but no minis or supports like you have mentioned. I haven't worked with zMud specifically, but these fixes might help you get better use out of your Saturn regardless. Good luck!
Hmmmm... 200 quid for a 3d Printer, or 85 quid for a Space Marine Combat Patrol? 🤔 The jaws of home printing really seem to be closing on the physical mini manufacturers.
I think only the overpriced ones...GW
I got an Anycubic Photon Zero last year for £95. Does a fantastic job!
@@alfredpotts6136 I'm put off Resin printers by the reported smell and the cleanup process. Does your printer give you any issues? Where do you keep it in relation to your living area? Enquiring minds want to know.
Hahahaha you son of a Viking butcher mini. I was literally just talking about making a video like this yesterday haha. Absolutely amazing job man. Great comparisons and you are right when saying you will be happy with almost any machine you grab. Although you and I might have to go to war over that zmud 😂🤣🤘
Okay guys, I'm just about to start playing with zmud, have a half liter sitting on my desk ready to use next week, what printer settings do you guys suggest? The stuff I found online said to use 2.5 to 5 second exposure per layer which is lower than I've ever used successfully. In this video you're saying it's longer than other resins? I'd love to hear your take before I dive into this resin.
so when is your version of this video as im interested in comparisons, also thoughts on resins for minaitures as slightly overcook elegoo grey and its very unforgiving.
I agree, a slow but successful print sounds like the ticket. I usually set and forget anyway until I hear that beep to get my print, cheers Luke this must of taken ages to get this video altogether.
That stone troll is one of my favorite models
This was great, and yeah it would be super helpful to hear more about how to find the best settings for the printer, understanding what they do, etc.
This was a great video, cheers! I've been wanting a 3D printer for ages but never made the plunge.
Thanks for making this video! I expected there to be one obviously correct choice, but instead seeing all these great prints showed there are lots of fantastic options. Cheers!
Next year after anycubics affordable DLP printer is out I imagine some of the other companies will have one too. Look forward to comparisons with these too.
Yes please do more printer videos, I am looking to get one later this year. I want to know more options of others and their results. Cheers and thank you for sharing.
I'm very much interested in any further 3D printing content, I don't own one yet but I'm certainly getting interested in this hobby. Thanks for posting and have a good day.
Thanks man I really enjoy these sit and chat style vids , more please. 🤘🤖🤘
Thank you for making this video literally a day after I bought my 3D printer
Thank you for the video. I had decided on buying an ANYCUBIC Photon Mono X, because of the larger build plate but after seeing these in action now I have to rethink my purchase. Time vs Money, or put another way, size vs money.
I did not have much choice, money and availability wise, so the 2 that were available to me were the Anycubic Photon Mono and the Elegoo Mars 2.
I got the Photon and only had issues. I needed to overexpose the bottom layers for it to not stick to the FEP.
I sent it back and got the Mars 2 and it runs nicely.
I got my Mars 2 Pro 3 weeks ago and went nuts. I’ve made sandworms, a baby groot, printed a Godzilla and some my little pony figures for the kids… and about 3 sets from Artisan Guild and I can’t stop.
Yes, I would definitely be interested in seeing more videos on 3D printers.
Just bought an Anycubic. Can’t wait!
OH thank God, I need this video. I'm getting one! Gonna make my own minis in Medium. (gonna try)
Cheers for this mate. Really good vid. Creality Halot getting ordered on the strength of this.
First Neil from Real Terrain Hobbies telling me that the Halot Sky is amazing, and now I see it here...awful tempting 😅 Would love to print some big miniatures
Best printer ever!
Have watched this video loads of times. Its hard choosing out here. Thanks fpr this. Currently choice is between the mars 2 pro mars 3, or bene4 the extra touches just look awesome. I wish I could afford a bigger build volume but a wash and cure machine is more important to me.
it's worth looking at the Anycubic Photon Mono as well, it's been on offer quite often and can be had for less than £200.
Helpful video and so much choice now. I bought one of the early Anycubics and could never get it to level. Then it broke. I bought an Elegoo Mars and haven’t had a problem.
Luke collecting 3D printers like Pokémon 😆 great video mate. Nice to see the variety of quality and the honest approach to tech issues and such.
Not sure if you are interested into another one, but check the Anycubic Photon Ultra.
It has DLP screen technology to get a sharper exposure and supposedly therefore even finer detail than before.
The video I've been wanting for hell yeah awesome video helps out a lot making my mind up
Really good video, your 3d print video helped me make the jump so I picked up a photon s and I'm really happy with it
New sub. You had me at the 10 second mark with that laugh out loud intro :)
I just got a mars 2 and I had to slow the lift considerably before I got good prints. also had to sand the build plate a tiny bit to get stuff to stick every time. But now I've got prints coming out perfect nearly every time!
I had to sand mine as well. Make sure it's clean, fep is clean and lubed with ptfe lubricant and I've been great.
I have a Saturn printer and I love it, though I’ve never tried zmud I am using my own mixtures of siraya and elegoo resins that I pigment myself and it’s working really well for me, my supports are a bit soft like you mentioned with the zmud and that may be for same reason, if you are getting really good detail then most likely the resin your using is highly pigmented. I have discovered this for myself that if it has more pigment then the resin is a little softer during printing/rendering, though it renders higher details because there is less light leak happening... Thanks for the video I really love your content and I may have to try out some zmud for myself. As a note I just tried siraya fast navy grey and have very similar results to my mixture, with the exception my custom mix is stronger and less brittle.
I've been making custom chapter icons, pauldrons, weapons, nameplates, and other bits on the Mars 2 Pro and Saturn. They continually surprise me with the tiny details they can manage. Still need to take into consideration how putting layers of paint on a model will change its surface, though.
Airbrush is a good way of getting rid of imperfections. Works wonders on my Ender 3 FDM. Mind you I modded her with a better lead screw that allows me to print at 20 microns (0.02mm).
I used zmud as well and it can be a pain in the posterior.
Did you ever have a look at the Anycubic Eco resin?
I use the grey variant for my prints. In my opinion it captures similar amount of detail and while still toxic it is at least made of renewable materials.
I love that beige resin. The figures look like old M.U.S.C.L.E. Men (Kinikuman) "eraser" toys.
Would love to hear more about how you dial a printer in. I find myself doing extremely long prints to make sure I have successful prints.
This video is great for showing the printer's results / performances and thank you for that, awesome info.
Perhaps the most worrying thing about this video as well as others like it is the setup. People, you need a place to use these printers with an extraction setup if possible. The resin is very toxic, especially the fumes! Do not set one of these up in your house, without extraction, unless you want a constant head ache.
Sure, table top printer if the table is in your garage separate to your house or in a shed at the bottom of your garden.
My Phrozen Sonic Mini 4k has been a boss so far. Great detail and very reliable. 2.1 second cure time.
I've had a mars 2 pro, a phrozen mini, a saturn, and the halot one has caused me less problems than all of them. Cheap as chips too.
Resin printing needs a Benchie. Not literally, just a sort of standard mini with smooth and detailed bits so you can look at test prints and get an idea of where things stand.
there are a few...
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 A few is kind of the wrong number, though. There are several test print pieces for FDM, but only one Benchie.
U mean "Rook"?
@@GentlemanNr1 definitely the rook
Those are some really nice prints
Great video! Really enjoy your content!
Changing all the FEPS? you deserve a medal!
You weren’t bullshiting when you said you had videos in the works… i just thought you were going on a bit of a mental/creator holiday for a bit with the quick vids (which i like also btw) But i think i did a triple take seeing the thumbnail with all those printers!! Crazy sadistic bugger to do that to yourself🤣 Grats on getting through it somewhat sane!
I had a similar issue with my elegoo where it didn't know where home was but I found that it was easy to fix that you just had to relocate the home manually and then its fine (I now have made a habit to clean the bottom of the print plate and re-level the plate after each print if not every other print) I do not know if you knew this but just putting it out there that it is a very easy fix.
Edit: also my prints on my elegoo takes 3hrs plus always from the sliced prediction so it may also be a side effect
Thank you so much for this video. I saw in some other videos of yours some other devices the model comes in afterwards? Are those devices necessary as well?
It might be considered a mess up in the very beginning of the video but I actually like that I can see a sneak peek of behind-the-scenes because of the reflection on the case lol
Any thoughts on the Creality LD-006? Looks like a good middle between halot one and sky but I’ve heard nothing about it
I did it I saw your video and had to order the Saturn S bundle, think we’ll be back once the Jupiter is released in our country 🤣 I love your videos cannot get enough of them, have seen another guy who uses 4K resin so if you wanted to test that out I could find it for a review?
Thank you for the detailed explanation! Side question, what company makes these shirts with the shoulder / sleeve pattern? Looks neat!
Great review(s) thanks. I'm sure the Creality are thrilled that you make their product sound like it's called the "Harlot" ;) As a Scot\Jock I'd be doing exactly the same thing!! :D
Very cool to see this review.
From my own experience, I am stunned by the quality my $179 Anycubic Photon Mono does. Superlative detail. The only reason I want another printer is for a bigger build plate and to print more often!
I'm thinking about buying one too. For the minis but also to make tiles.
Thanks for this, I found it interesting : )
Interesting video and quite right you can make most machines do the job. Give it a year and you'll have 30 more new printers to try with the rate they are putting them out
I just got a used Mars 3 for 105 euros from Elegoo it prints perfectly and it came in good condition (it had a little cured resin on the LCD, took about 30 minutes to remove but besides that it was perfect)
You should look into Phrozen printers. I have a Phrozen sonic mini 4k and I am very happy with it.
If you can, could you explain the "fast lift speed de-lamination line aka skip"? Do you know what's going on when that happens?
You remind me of my mate King Gary - classy!
A question that is maybe not quite related, but kinda :) What's the smell like on the resins used on the printers in this price segment? At work we have Formlabs and Nexa machines and depending on the resin type the smell can get... less than fun, not quite something I'd want in my home. And while I can use the printers at work for personal things from time to time, having one at home would be more convenient in some cases.
Dude, send me one of those. Just one 😜 Great video, mate. Thanks!
Still waiting for my Mars3 4k to arrive....hope they sorted out all the bugs before distribution, there are quite a few bugs unfortunately so fingers crossed
Im looking at a creality halot one my self but can't figure out what kind of wash an cure machine to match it with! Ready to pull the trigger. Just want to get both at once an be done.
Wow! That's a lot of printers. I think 3D printing is a cool way to get the miniatures you are looking for, but unfortunately with how fast the technology is changing on the resin printers I just can't afford them right now. But I will keep my eyes out for maybe a deal that will come my way. But dude love the videos
Seen a few reviews now comparing the new 4K printers but always on the common 28-32mm miniatures. No one yet has tried to check the detail loss if the miniatures are down scaled to 15mm with these new printers. Like with your 15mm KoW army video.
Would love to see you give the phrozen line or epax x1 4k a shot(esp sonic mini 4k, or mega 8k printers for phrozen) also im sure you know this but the 4k, 2k, 8k nonsense means so little, should give pixel size as print potential varies so much even with the same resolution depending on build plate size(ie a 2k small form factor has the same pixel size as a 4k large format, for most brands right around 50 um) the big differences youll see will be the small form factor 4ks, or large form factor 8ks(around a 25-30% increase in detail potential) of these the only one that had that potential is the mars 3 and itll take additional effort in dial in and temperature control to get there. To really make the most of them youll want to use nfep and potentially even fep lube, while I find zmud to be a good resin, my best results to date have been with sirayatech navy gray, for pure detail epax hard gray was also really good, but final result was more brittle after curing. Should be able to beat production models with a high end sculpt. Appreciated the vid, you got some great looking minis, but theres potential still on the table!
Great video! Usability are really a good point. The devil in the details!
Hey luke, after nearly sending my saturn back due to constant failures with the zmud I have managed to get it to print. I had to to use masking tape on the surround and some ptfe for the fep (almost all wiped off), I then increased the exposure time to 3.5 seconds and lift speed to 50 all other setting I've kept the same. I'm currently to scared to change any other settings due to it working.
I have been using the grey not the beige as it was on offer.
Absolutely marvelous video Geek Gaming!! Love it, been looking at 3d printers (resin) a lot lately trying to figure out whitch one i should choose for my first one, beacuse this looks like a lot of fun, simply to continue build to my armies and maybe some terrain to, been looking at elegoo but now im suddenly not so sure, fuck me all these chooises oof.
Ordered a creality LD002R was delivered with a broken screen. Ordered another same issue. So gonna try anycubic now.
Think I've settled on a Saturn 2, to future proof myself from needing another unit to print big stuff even if I won't be starting out with them.
Halot One might be the new workhorse. My Photon can sense a change in the winds and has started behaving though.
The video is interesting. I like those reviews. Helps me get informations for the day I'll get a 3D printer.
But I have a question. Where is the final "Love, love, love" ???
Awesome video man great job! Out of curiosity where did you get that cool lizard mini from?
Decided to jump in with both feet. Got myself a mini 8k, should arrive sometime in May.
Still super nervous about an expensive new tool, but I've done all the research I can over the last 3 years or so.
Nice i got this recommended after buying one (Mars 2 Pro) hope it works 😅
awsome revieuw, you got my sub
Love the intro 😎👌
Im considering the possibility of a 3d printer. I especially would like to be able to print resin bases for my models that come with ground textures and brickwork etc already made but i have no idea where to start
Maybe you could do some hints and tips per printer, as I struggled to set mine up and found it quite overwhelming! ELEGOO Mars 2 Pro Mono MSLA is what I have and I've struggled to find some easy to follow tutorials, but maybe I'm just blind?
The Halot Sky has a ball screw. That really makes a difference.
And here's me just looking for exactly this content 🤣 you have psychic powers I think
Thanks
Well ... I'm planning to buy a 3D resin printer and I'm wondering if I would like to make a Hero forge miniature if he could paint it in the required colors as in the picture?
Tell me, please, what do you think about Halot Sky vs Mars 3 in terms of the quality of the miniatures? Mars 3 is a bit ahead or are they of comparable quality?
How important is ventilation when using a resin printer? I want to put one in our study next to my PC for model and terrain printing, but I’m not near any windows or ventilation.
Am in the process of figuring out which printer to get... looking at Elegoo and Phrozen. This is helpful, thanks :)
I've heard good things about the Phrozen printers
@@GeekGamingScenics I love my 4k mini but I can't say I've tried any others. Some ppl have Trouble getting supports to work with it, but I think I've just about figured it out (o:
Wow, one of these lucky printers gets to go home to Wakefield with Luke!
3D printing is definitely the future with minis
854 likes at the last count. Mmmmm I think your fan base want to see more 3D printing videos on your channel 👍.
You can change the settings of any sliced model on any chitu based machine without reslicing it via the settings on the display, can change base layers duration and number, same with normal layers, change light off delay etc.
@@GeekGamingScenics you can change exposure both normal layers and base layers. I dont think you can change lift speed but its a while since I looked.
@@GeekGamingScenics It seems it is number of base layers, base layer exposure time per layer and normal layer exposure time per layer that you can alter from the printer. I've emailed Chitu to see if they can include lift speeds, I see no reason why it can't be done as they have the ability to change layer times. Be interesting to see if they update to include it because I think you are right, it would be very useful.
I have an Elegoo Saturn and have a tip for you if you want to use yours. Elegoo ABS like is nice and flexible and has really low shrinkage which is nice. But it is viscous and flexible which leads to failed prints without overexposure. I have found that mixing it in any ratio of 50% or more Elegoo Plant Based resin which is MUCH thinner results in successful prints at proper exposure and with lighter supports.
@@GeekGamingScenics I haven’t tried zmud but you definitely have me curious about why it doesn’t work on the Saturn.