CSX's Runaway Train: The Crazy Eights Incident
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- Runaway trains are never a good thing to have roaming the rails. A derailment with so much speed, power, and weight behind them could lead to disastrous consequences. While it has happened before, it's also been prevented. On what was an ordinary day in Walbridge, Ohio on May 15th, 2001, CSX would experience a runaway train incident that would go down in infamy. With two carloads of hazordous and flammable chemicals onboard, the situation was made far worse. Many people know it as the "Crazy Eights".
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Hey there, thanks for watching the video and the amazing support on it! I just wanted to clarify something regarding the control stand and me mentioning the engineer "mixed up the controls". A few people have commented that 8888 had a combined throttle+brake handle and they weren't separate as I showed in the video. In my research I don't recall reading anything about the engine being equipped with a combined handle. If I did, I assumed it was an error as I thought combined handles weren't a thing on locomotives like an SD40-2, I figured those were reserved for desktop style controls on newer or widecab locomotives. In other words, it wasn't that the engineer mixed up the controls in a panic as I mentioned in the video, rather he didn't properly set the brakes with the combined handle. That's my mistake if I was wrong, sorry about that!
Still a fantastic video. Very well done
The combined handle was definitely a factor. The handle operates in the same direction in both Power and Braking mode. The mode is changed through the use of a Selector which is located above the Combined Operating Lever. There were two types of Selectors: Racheting and Positioning. With the Racheting type, the Selector handle remained in the center position regardless of the Mode, which made it impossible to determine its function unless you could read the small letters on the Selector indicator window. In a panic, it would be easy to mishandle the Selector.
This is the reason why the Throttle and Braking levers were separated in later models.
If this doesn't sound like a syop idk what is
It was one of my favorite movies.
Yes you were correct on how the movie was so full of flaws
The sheriff attempting to shoot the fuel cut-off system is the most American way to stop a train.
Lol that’s good ol’ fashioned family racism. Ha ha😅
@@rmgilyard wtf does trying to shoot a fuel cap have to do with racism?
@@rmgilyard , can you please elaborate? Your comment made no sense
@@rmgilyard wtf are you on about?
@@rmgilyard ah yes because of the equation that simple minded people use. Cops=Rascist
I do want to point out that the engineer did not use the wrong handle in applying the dynamic brakes, at the time of the incident 8888 was fitted with an older style of control stand where the throttle was also used as the dynamic brake selector, where the dynamic brake handle is now there was a manual transition lever which aren't present at all on modern locomotives, the engineer failed to properly transition into dynamic braking mode, which given the time pressure and finicky nature of the transition lever(they don't have notches, but instead move one position for each movement of the handle all the way forward or backwards and in order to move to the next position you have to recenter the handle and move it all the way forward or backwards again) is understandable, in the aftermath of this incident all CSX locomotives still fitted with the old control stands having a manual transition lever had their control stands replaced with more modern ones having separate levers for throttle and dynamic brakes
Thank you for this info! I always wondered how a veteran engineer mixed up the handles...now it makes more sense!
Cheers Gregg.
I suspect this is the reason CSX didn’t name the engineer and throw him under the…train.
@@trefontaine Yep, that would be my guess to -- actually fairly decent of CSX to not try to shaming the engineer. I watched and enjoyed the the Denzel movie about it. I kind of think they should have kept the Crazy 8's name...
Yes! This is the biggest thing that drives me nuts about the movie based on this incident, they show the engineer setting the brakes with the throttle in idle and then once he gets out, the throttle magically moves itself to notch 8. Knowing what happened and being familiar with the control stands, that scene made me unreasonably angry.
🤣🤣 what about leaving the entire controller room empty?? Was that also done back in the days 🤣
i like the part when they said "the train is......... unstoppable" and then chris pines unstopped all over the place
Im boutta go crazy...
Eight.
Then he turned himself into a pickle. Funniest shit I ever seen.
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I liked the part where they said "I am moot" and then mooted all over the place
He's different....
I remember hearing about this story and watching the movie unstoppable! Pretty scary situation but I’m glad it was able to end well.
Its a shame that 8888 was converted into a Sd40-3 because I would've really liked to see the locomotive that inspired one of my most favorite movies of my time 😮💨
no
I don’t know we might see Quadra 8 or the other Diesel getting preserved in someway in the future. At the very least, even if they were both converted, it would still be good to see them saved in someway, because for example, there are a lot of locomotives that have been converted from there more famous original forms. Flying Scotsman is, perhaps the most famous, because it is no longer the type it originally was having been converted at some point during its long career. Another locomotive that was significantly rebuilt was George Stevenson’s rocket. In fact, the rocket that is on display now is actually very different from the rocket that participated in the rainhill trials as it got a significant rebuild shortly after the trials concluded so that it could run in regular revenue service. In fact, one person at the time wrote of the event “ it is necessary to say that the rocket of 1829 is very different from the one today as it has been rebuilt so significantly one could almost discuss it as a different engine”
@@wrrail seriously. That was one of the lamest and laziest movies ever made.
@@kishascape i wouldn’t say it’s lazy or bad but it’s just overhyped
I wouldn't be surprised if it's bought by preservationists after it gets withdrawn and at least gets cosmetically converted back into 8888
I loved unstoppable, but I saw it in theaters with my locomotive engineer dad. When it got to the S curve part my dad was like I can’t take this anymore. He then proceeded to explain what would really happen in that scenario.
Cliff hanger... tell us what would happen
Well... _we're waiting?_
Obviously, just like car or military movies. It’s a movie. Did you really think it would be that realistic?
Lemme guess, catastrophic destruction (and possibly death) would’ve followed, resulting in one of the worst rail disasters in US history
Dude, it's Hollywood... what did you expect?? They took certain liberties to make the movie more exciting
One of the best mini documentaries of the 8888 incident i've seen. Good editing and narration as always! I need to watch Unstoppable again. Good movie.
I was obsessed that when I was young
My town Is where it stoped... Kenton Ohio
Hyce...
I am glad CSX 8888 is still around today, even though it’s been rebuilt into SD40-3 No. 4389 locomotive.
Unstoppable was one of my favorite movies growing up especially after hearing it was abased on a true story.
Unstoppable has been my favorite movie ever since I was little. I never knew it was based off a real incident
My dad actually rode former locomotive star 1206 since he’s an employee for the Wheeling & Lake Erie Railway that helped make the film!
Today marks the 22nd anniversary of the CSX 8888 incident. Great video of this event back in May 15th 2001. Also I have seen the movie Unstoppable back then that was inspired by this event in 2010.
No matter how many times I hear the story, it’s always fascinating
Hello Amtrak guy this is Terry Forson hard to believe it's been 22 years ago. I am still working for CSX. Jesse is retired and so is John. Good vidoe
"What shall I do? I can't stop! Help!"
Honestly, the CSX crazy eights incident is basically the real life diesel era equivalent to the railway series story old iron
**Runaway theme starts playing**
@@twistedaxles9126 I was thinking about that music the whole video
"#8392 panted up behind with every ounce of power he had! At last, he caught up with #8888"
@TwistedAxles912 when that theme starts playing you know you’re dead
Correction: The Dynamic Brakes and Throttle were controlled by the same lever. There was a switch to change the setting between Braking and Accelerating.
Yep, some sd40-2 units or older models has those combined lever types while most have the more common seperate variant.
Holy shit, that's a terrible design choice.
@@userequaltoNull Aaaaaaand that's why having separate sticks became the new standard.
@@userequaltoNull Hmmm...y'know I can understand it to an extent. Power and Dynamics both involve working the traction motors, albeit one has them working as intended while the other has them working as resistors. For simplicity, it makes sense to have the Throttle and DB on the same handle.
That said, an accident like this exposes a major flaw
@@russellgxy2905 The Amtrak ACS-64 kind of has that. It's main power lever has both Throttle and DB, except you have to push it forward for throttle and pull it back for DB. Kind of genius actually, wish they implemented this on the older locos.
Engineer of 40 years here. Good explanation and almost correct about how the throttle and dynamic brake are linked. Close enough for the average person. What irks me about the Unstoppable film is that they used a later model loco with entirely different controls that can't do what the engineer on 8888 did so they had it take itself out of DB and into power all by itself, as if moved by an invisible hand, after 'Dewey' was out of the cab. Why not just use the correct type of loco and have Dewey do what the real engineer did? They can't say they didn't have one available because the chase loco was of that type.
Funny enough I did wonder about the invisible hand when I first saw the movie.
It was wise to use the locomotives for 777 because it made them look more intimidating with their size, shape and color or red as the devil. Plus, modern GE units were found switching in lost yards and they were in common accidents. Also, the second locomotive plus 25 cars means a lotta weight.
@@rmgilyard So wise they had to have it go from dynamic brake into power all by itself which it can't do. The average idiot might accapt that but we in the industry don't.
@@davidrayner9832 The reason it went off on its own because the narcissist Dewey didn’t set the throttle to idle all the way, it was shifted loose.
I remember this very well, I used to work in a manufacturing plant along this CSX line. I can remember the plant manager telling everyone to evacuate the building. I remember he came into the area I was working, said to evacuate and as he was telling me this the train went flying by. We looked at each other. I asked if I still had to evacuate… lol.
That is such a "movie IRL" moment. 😂
I wouldn't have had to ask.
I would've already 'evacuated'.
Can you say, "I'm gonna need a new pair of pants first" ? 🙄
Imagine sitting on the siding as the runaway train barrels past you, realizing that you have the opportunity to do some extremely cool shit.
Excellent video and just for the CSX 8888 Anniversary day. I hope you will also make a video of the forgotten 1962 New York Central GP-20 Runaway Train incident , which was the inspiration for the 1985 film Runaway Train.
The Crazy 8s story is one of my favorite stories to hear from railroad TH-camrs, so seeing your take on the incident really perked me up! It’s obvious how much thought you put into your videos, from scripting to visuals. What I’d like to see is a behind-the-scenes on your workflow for video creation, especially your camera work in Trainz. It’s super eye-catching and immersive, almost like a basic animation production.
Keep up the great work!
You should do more rail incident documentaries like this!
I retired from KCS after 38 years of service. I started off as a track laborer and then switched cars and finally spent over 20 years as an engineer. I remember when News broke on the crazy 8 runaway.
The part that made it unbelievable is the fact that he got the Dynamic brake level mixed up with the throttle. Even if it was a throttle dynamic brake combo lever, when in throttle the lever clicks from one through 8, in dynamic the lever moves smoothly as does a Rheostat switch, no clicks. I think the guy was trying too hard to make a quick day, trying too hard to cut corners, and got off and line the switch and figured he could just catch the front of the engine as it passed the switch. I think he missteped the the step and fell, then was unable to attempt another boarding. He had that many years of experience and mixed up the controls.? Doubt it. All they had to do when the guy chased down the train to the rear was climb aboard the rear car from the engine and big hole it at the brake valve. Why it took so long to devise a plan to chase down the train also stinks of bad train master thinking. That train should’ve been stopped shortly after it left the original yard. 9:30
6:15. The throttle was not what you were shown. It had a combination throttle/dynamic brake that wasn’t set properly. They don’t use that combination throttle anymore
I was wondering how the engineer confused the two. Not only are the pictured control stand throttle and dynamic brake levers separate, but they move in opposite directions in order to increase their purpose. Pulling the throttle back when the DB lever would need to move forward makes it more confusing to how it happened. But the combination lever, that's actually what I had in mind when it was stated that the engineer operated the throttle instead of the dynamic brake. Thanks for clarifying the setup on that particular loco type.
And to the video author, I mean no fault or blame on your part. The video is well done with good graphics and actual footage that fits together nicely. And it didn't lose me when I saw the conflicting throttle/brake part (which happens), it was obvious that the narration was correct in what the engineer did so my how-the-heck? waited until the end of the video with no distraction.
Thanks for the good work!
Even if it were a combination on handle for both the dynamic operation or throttle, there was a short lever just above it that once the throttle lever is at idle you ratchet the short lever twice rearward then the throttle lever is in dynamic brake. But, there are no 1 thru 8 clicks it now moves smoothly as would a rheostat control from o load to full dynamic brake. This was an engineer with thirty years of seniority.? No, I didn’t believe the story then and I still don’t believe it. I think he was pulling a grade towards the switch decided to leave it pulling the hill and was in a hurry so he ran ahead of the engine lined the switch then fell trying to board the engine.
This was great! I'm glad i clicked. It was a thrill ride, great storytelling. I appreciate any and all who put in the time and effort into creating quality content like this. So i thank you.
This story was the inspiration for Unstoppable
The "real" Unstoppable train
I genuinely didn’t know that movie was based off of a real event. That’s actually cool af. Great video!
I did not see this coming. This is probably the most crazy eights filled video Amtrak guy has ever done!
This makes the movie even more enjoyable to me. It was already in my opinion the best Runaway Train movie ever made and I've seen quite a few but this fact just knocked it out of the park for me going to have to watch it again
CSX was all like "we don't want out massive blunder to be preserved for the rest of time, so no you can not perches it. We'll go even further and rebuild it just to rub it in"
I can't get over the absolute giga-chad energy of going "yeah I guess we can chase down a runaway train and couple to it to brake it." That's just actually incredible.
22 years crazy. Great video
Awesome job on this documentary story !! The animations that you created were really terrific. James.
Retired brakeman here, never heard of or saw an engineman get off an engine to line a switch. No good deed goes unpunished.
If people can find a way to do something stupid, they will attempt it. I am not sure how accurate it was from the film, but in Unstoppable (if you have not seen it, it is really good!) they tell you what happened to the engineer at the end of the movie.
I saw the movie and it looked reasonably credible. (Unlike many movies involving trains). The one thing I thought slightly absurd was trying to shoot the loco but - whaddaya know - that really happened.
That and when the loca turned over and went up in a huge fireball.
The movie is, well, a movie. It's Hollywood.... Overdramatized for entertainment purposes
They actually shot the fuel switch and most locomotives ignite fuel when derailed or are involved in collisions.
That’s minds me from fictional movie 2010 "Unstoppable."
I believe the movie was based on this even.
@@OreotheMiataSomething I see, it’s was my favor one.
One of the hilarious parts of unstoppable is the obvious fact that the writer had never visited Pennsylvania. They'd call out "Southern Pennsylvania," as a geographic location. Pennsylvania is over 300 miles wide. That's a rather unspecific area.
he meant the "general vicinity"
If you haven’t seen the movie “Runaway Train” rent it. It is great and very different from Unstoppable.
"Unstoppable" borrowed a lot from that movie.
No it didn’t.
I was thinking of that movie before you mentioned it. Glad it was based on reality. CSX seems to often be in the news lately for all the wrong reasons.
Great video and tutorial of the Runaway Train! Definitely quick thinking on the parts of so many to prevent a disaster! Several HEROES that day to save many innocent lives! Cheers from Laurel, Delaware USA.
One of my Favorite videos of all times keep this up dude!
I'm gonna say no one outside of the Canadian TSB is making content like this, the sim to recreate footage is Mayday level of b roll, incredible stuff
It's funny you made this video today because earlier today I saw CN 8888 in Port Huron. I can't wait to watch this short documentary!
Fun fact: Canadian Pacific 9777 and 9782 were repainted as AWVR 777 for the movie.
Those were real trains, not actors in a train suit!
I dare say, too, that while AWVR is a fictional company, the paint scheme goes hard.
Very interesting, I never heard of this one. Thanks for sharing!
Never heard of this incident. Thanks for posting a great video!
See the movie Unstoppable with Denzel Washington and Chris Pine, really good movie and is about this. Do not expect a documentary, it is an action movie, but it was this incident that sparked the movie and most of what was shown really happened, they just, "action movie'd" it up slightly.
Interesting video. I wasn't aware there was an actual event that the movie was made from. Thanks for doing this! Greg in TN 😀
THEY MADE A MOVIE ABOUT THIS.
Unstoppable
Wow. Never knew about CSX 8888's story till I watched this video. Nice job.
6:33 didn't 8888 have a Dash 1 control stand with the throttle and dynamic brake selector handle at time?
I like the use of the 'trainz" footage to simulate the scenarios. Very nice ( •̀ ω •́ )✧
Oh hi Jo2n
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Quite an interesting runaway train story. Might use this as inspiration for a future Bear and Rebecca story in my series after a few more seasons.
Man, this video is right on track!
this story never fails to intrigue me, no matter how many times i hear it.
I swear if I see a "only in Ohio" comment am going to cry
Well sorry, there are already.
Sadly there are tons of them.
And I agree its one of the worst memes ever to be made.
Omg I know exactly what cartoon your profile picture us from
I’ve been to Ohio. It is pretty crazy. But only in Ohio.
Well this is just crazy! Thanks for sharing the story of the 8888!
Fun fact, the director of the movie "Unstoppable" was inspired by this disaster. There is even a reference to it in the movie
Fun fact, many fun facts are posted without watching the video which actually mention said fun fact in significant detail.
@@Mordecroxfun fact: trains use sand to go uphill
@@s3rye306 now that's interdasting, thought sand was used only downhill and in braking
@Mordecrox it can be used for both, to be honest. The sand just gets the train better traction. The sand usually starts if the engineer hasn't started it, when the wheels slip. So it can be any grade, going up or down.
He actually did everything right by setting the throttle on max and he did in fact set the dynamic brake, but if I recall he kept the train in gear which was the kicker.
My CSX local's motive power for the past few days has been SD40-2 8881, so im always thinking of Crazy Eights everytime i see it. Funnily enough, it's on the same line, just further down
Lived along this (ex-NYC) line near Columbus and remember this line yesterday. This was the inspiration for the film Unstoppable. Being familiar with locomotives it killed me that I couldn’t assist- by the time I would’ve reached Kenton area it would have been stopped.
Really nice documentary! I would like to see more!
The movie Unstoppable was very exciting. Didn't know it was based on a real event. Washington and Pine had great chemistry.
Often times reality is far stranger than fiction look up bat bombs weird stuff.
Thanks so much for not using the runaway theme at any point in the video
Even if there's not much to it, I'd love to see you do one on the Strasburg Railway construction equipment crash.
people hate 475's scars for some reason. she's still the same beauty, with a battle scar 😂
Like this channel efficient story telling. So I thumbed up a couple of videos
What an incredible story, and your narration did it more then justice. Great work!
Aaaaaaaah! So this is where the movie “Unstoppable” got its inspiration from!!!! Went from engine 8888 to 777
So glad to see the actual news footage of this
I am a local and got to watch them make some of the movie. The scene where the train is on a elevated track with a chopper in chase was filmed in Weirton WV. The whole town watched as it was a big deal for all to see a movie filmed in our small town…. “Movies 8” was filmed here as well. That was a trip to see military shooting guns in urbanized neighborhoods with jeeps and a tank
Imagine this you and your family are at a railroad crossing, and your son and daughter are bickering back and forth over something, and everyone is yelling at each other while, in the meantime, a diesel locomotive goes flying past the front of your car and then everyone in the car stops yelling and looking at each other like what in the world just happened.
The use of the yakuza music. I see you are a man of culture.
35 years down the drain. That is unaccusable
Every 10 year old in the comments: "OmG OnLy In OhIo CaNt LiVe iN oHiO!!! 🤡"
The real Unstoppable
The reason that the engineer lost the train was because the dynamic brakes and power settings were consolidated to one throttle and there was a selector and he had the selector on power instead of dynamics which is why he lost the train not because he mixed up the levers
35 years of experience and you still manage to make a dumb mistake. Goes to show we're all human at the end of the day.
Great job getting it stopped!
Bravery of this level is usually expected from military personnel not railway employees. These people prevented many deaths by their brave acts and quick thinking
Worth watching
Oh my gosh. You told a documentary that Thunder did years ago, but did it better! Omg! Is AmtrakGuy365 the new Thunderbolt 1000 Siren Productions?!
…nah. Very well done, and I look forward to more awesome videos like these in the future.
When your last name is "Bomback," you are either destined to be an action movie director or a bomb technician.
This is amazing, some one should make a movie about it!
Great video!
I saw 9777, the locomotive painted up as 777, she was back in her Canadian Pacific livery
5:33 8392 you're a hero! You truly are a really useful engine!
Kerry Shale (Sir Topham Hat voice): HEY THAT'S MY LINE! THIEF!!!!
CSX: Uh oh, not another runaway.
Man, Ohio cannot catch a damn break.
Yeah, I wish I could go back to the time when memes weren't milked to death or just painful.
I Know I Am So Fucking Sick And Tried Of Only in Ohio Memes!
Same
I see unstoppable borrowed more elements from the actual event than once thought...
Norfolk Southern: Hold my roller bearing
A similar movie was also made in 1983-84 (or perhaps earlier) where the runaway train was actually stopped by an engine that chased it and coupled up from behind before applying the brakes and managing to stop it just a few feet from the buffers at the last station
I believe you're referring to the 1973 film, "Runaway", starring Ben Johnson.
With some of the inacuraces between real life and the movie, I still love the movie Unstopable...
Man made real sure not to screw up that switch no one wants to fix a broken switch XD
Been out for 45 seconds and already in my feed.
This would make one HELL of a movie
At least Crazy 8s still survives and is still serving CSX
This is perfect for all the train accidents in Ohio.
Much better than Train Of Thought's video on it. He only showed images and was much shorter. This showed actual video and is such a detailed video and this is the 2nd time I've watched it
That's his style
Now it's been 23 Years since the Runaway.
That wouldn’t be the only crazy incident to happen that year…
A little understanding on how dynamic brakes are set up and engaged and how easy it was to mistakenly open the throttle to run 8. To engage the dynamics, you close the throttle, swing the dynamic handle all the way over, and then run the throttle to utilize the brake. The throttle handle now becoming a dynamic brake setting. The yard engineer didn't mix up the handles. He simply mistakenly failed to engage the dynamic handle at all, and just slung the throttle open. Which was still set as the power throttle.
Putting the automatic brake into emergency would have stopped the train, or at least slowed it to a coast. As even with the train brake pipe cut out, the PCS switch on the locomotive would have lifted and cut all power to the throttle.
This engine in particular (And even quite a few of them now) had the Dynamic Brake function and the Throttle function as one lever, with a selector switch to differentiate between the two. In the engineers haste, he forgot all about this and simply grabbed the lever and pulled it. He inadvertently threw the train into Run 8. In addition to that, the engineer applied the Locomotive Brake (Independent Brake) into the full 100 pound application. Which I am sure you are aware when you apply the Independent Brake it automatically kills the Alerter Function.
@BuckeyeNationRailroader
Yes. That's exactly what I said. When I state "swing the handle" I'm speaking about the selector switch.
It might kill the alerter, but it shouldn't cut out the PCS. The PCS (If functioning properly.) should still function as designed regardless of the position of the independent brake. Once it lifts, it kills power to the throttle and the dynamics.
@@the101stdalmatian8 Thanks and what exactly is the PCS ? Many years ago I read some of the findings from the enquiry, available online and it was reported that 8888 had many defect reports , including the alerter and if I remember right, possibly the PCS function? I think we'll never know all the facts about crazy 8's ??
Cheers Gregg.
@@FishplateFilms PCS means "Pneumatic Control Switch". When air pressure in the brake-pipe is too low (Such as during an emergency application) it lifts and cuts all power to the dynamics, propulsion, and the throttle controls will be deactivated. It can only be reset by closing the throttle, centering the reverse handle, and returning the brake handle to the release position. In the case of the 8888 runaway, even though the brake-pipe was disconnected, dumping the air would have lifted the PCS and nullified the throttle. Same could have been said of just...closing the throttle. With the independent brake fully applied, you already had all the stopping force you were going to get. It was now just an issue of removing the power.
I was really just explaining to the above poster (who clearly has never been in a locomotive..."full 100 pound independent application." LMAO) how the engineer made an error and how easy an error it was to make.
@@the101stdalmatian8 Thanks very much! I'm a signal guy down in Australia, but my passion is locomotives , and if I had 2 good eyes, Id be driving ! So basically , once the air is dumped , the PCS should have killed the power! Also I believe the the alerter is disabled once the independant is set, but does that apply even when the reverser is in fwd or reverse? Surely if a unit is in "gear" on the reverser, the alerter should still be active, regardless of the ind' brake setting? I was not aware of the early dynamic controls, seems like a accident waiting to happen? I did read that 8888 was plagued with issues , so the old swiss cheese principle applied and the holes lined up!
Funny that we're still talking about all these years down the track!
Cheers Gregg.
No matter if its a disaster video, disaster podcast, or disaster show, when anyone says a date, you know shits about to go down.
One of my all-time favorite movies
So this video just showed up thanks to the algorithm. I thought "I remember hearing about that, I'll check this video out". Your second video clip that starts nine seconds in...that's in the town I grew up in. That station where that clip was recorded? I've been there hundreds of times to take the train into Chicago. What a weird, crazy coincidence.