What Happened to B-UNITS?

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  • The Booster, or B-unit, was once a staple of most diesel-powered American trains throughout the mid-20th century. They were cheaper cabless variants of their A-unit counterparts, and meant to supply extra horsepower. Steam locomotives were still more powerful than the diesel, but the diesel was far cheaper and more flexible. But what happened to the boosters? Why don't we see them on freight and passenger trains anymore?
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  • @AmtrakGuy365
    @AmtrakGuy365  หลายเดือนก่อน +184

    At 0:56, the 1600 hp should be 1800 hp. Sorry about that!

    • @vuurvrrailfanner4656
      @vuurvrrailfanner4656 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      yuh huh

    • @RuralRailProductions
      @RuralRailProductions หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yo amtrakGuy365!!! 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥💯💯

    • @AroyalGibus
      @AroyalGibus หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@RuralRailProductions real

    • @AroyalGibus
      @AroyalGibus หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      oof

    • @Traincraft_Fan
      @Traincraft_Fan หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      you forgot the GE UM20B, it was one of the first GE locomotives meant to compete with EMD, and failed, however, it did have a B-unit

  • @YourLocalHistorian
    @YourLocalHistorian หลายเดือนก่อน +173

    The AT&SF also converted locomotives that were involved in catastrophic wrecks, destroying the cabs into B units

    • @nekomasteryoutube3232
      @nekomasteryoutube3232 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      I think other railroads also did that. A fucked up cab unit would get its controlls removed and windows blacked out, and it'd just work like a cabless booster.
      Also irrc sometimes whem some stuff is either too damaged or too old to use its prime mover, they might turn a locomotive into a road slug.

    • @YourLocalHistorian
      @YourLocalHistorian หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@nekomasteryoutube3232 CSX did that to a lot of GP 35s and GP 30s

    • @nekomasteryoutube3232
      @nekomasteryoutube3232 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@YourLocalHistorian Then again I imagine by that time, they're pretty old locomotives, so why not use them for something else that doesnt require an expensive rebuild.

    • @SirLANsalot
      @SirLANsalot 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      they only would do that if the can was beyond repair, as most would just be put back together as if nothing happened.

    • @daniellxnder
      @daniellxnder 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Was it called as 'slug'?

  • @KCDash4400cw
    @KCDash4400cw หลายเดือนก่อน +238

    I would do anything to get a GEVO B Unit

    • @vuurvrrailfanner4656
      @vuurvrrailfanner4656 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      yeah your getting blocked 😭🙏

    • @therealrailfangamingboi
      @therealrailfangamingboi หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      ​@@vuurvrrailfanner4656 I imagined a P42 with a B unit 🗿

    • @Texasrailfan9021
      @Texasrailfan9021 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      How about a SD70ACe B Unit!

    • @thedesigner00
      @thedesigner00 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Texasrailfan9021 and I would do anything to make sure that never happens

    • @crocowithaglocko5876
      @crocowithaglocko5876 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@thedesigner00I would do anything to ensure it happens

  • @hungrymoose7627
    @hungrymoose7627 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    FUN FACT. Canadian National and Canadian Pacific's E and F B units had primitive control stands in them so they could be shunted under their own power.

    • @trainglen22
      @trainglen22 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Neither Canadian road had any E b-units.

    • @ostrich67
      @ostrich67 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I think all B-units had that.

    • @kriscarver-seaboyer9204
      @kriscarver-seaboyer9204 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      That they did. They were called hostler controls, and like any locomotive they could be moved individually at an engine terminal or in a repair facility.

    • @jackgamer6307
      @jackgamer6307 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have no idea why not all of them had such controls

    • @RustyorBroken
      @RustyorBroken 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I wondered about this. Without any sort of controls of their own they would have to be shunted with another locomotive. Not terribly convenient.

  • @rsconover7957
    @rsconover7957 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    I just love A-B-A or A-B-B-A combos

    • @tolucaheights
      @tolucaheights หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      A man of culture i see

    • @InventorZahran
      @InventorZahran หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      What about the legendary A-B-B-B-A set?

    • @JimBones1990
      @JimBones1990 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@InventorZahran A-B-B-A-A-B-B-A-C.

    • @griffithwes0074
      @griffithwes0074 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Key lady moment. Swedish people moment.

    • @professorjamesmoriarty5191
      @professorjamesmoriarty5191 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@InventorZahran6 unit A B B B B A lashup was common in chicago in the early years.

  • @davidmolin8944
    @davidmolin8944 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    I cannot believe that Spamton G Spamton was the salesman’s for the B unit on all the big locomotive builders, bro must’ve really been raking in that cash

    • @InventorZahran
      @InventorZahran หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Hey! Is your [diesel-electric locomotive] not powerful enough? Add a B-unit from [hyperlink blocked] and double your [horsepower]! It'll only cost [$4.99] and looks [way better] than a second cab unit. Don't be a [little sponge], use B-units like a [big shot] railroad!

    • @WeldinMike27
      @WeldinMike27 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh... That's the worst name I have ever heard.

  • @844SteamFan
    @844SteamFan หลายเดือนก่อน +87

    4:20 Supposedly ATSF wanted a B40-8B to go with their B40-8Ws, but it would’ve costed the same as a B40-8W so they didn’t.

  • @richardjayroe8922
    @richardjayroe8922 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    B units are used on Donner pass with rotary snow plows

    • @nathanschmidt4889
      @nathanschmidt4889 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Huh...forgot about those. Can't remember if they're motive power or generators, though. I know the plows aren't self propelled, but their slugs might be

    • @richardjayroe8922
      @richardjayroe8922 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nathanschmidt4889 I think they act as both

    • @nicktynan1355
      @nicktynan1355 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Just generators. Rotaries fan blades are powered by traction motors, from which the b units (referred to as "snails") are the power source for. The whole setup is moved by locomotives controlled from the snow plows.

    • @russellgxy2905
      @russellgxy2905 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@richardjayroe8922 Neither actually. Those B-units are snails. Unlike a slug which is “no engine,” snails are “no motor.” The name comes from the fact the “shell” is still in place, while slugs are typically low-slung. The snails were used to power the rotaries after they were converted to diesel operation. Notice how the snails are where a tender used to be, and the lack of steam. They still have no means of propulsion, so they’re still pushed by locomotives. I believe Amtrak’s HEP B-units are also snails, as they were meant to just supply HEP on trains where a locomotive was not equipped, like an SDP40F
      Incidentally, the Milwaukee road had a few ABA F-unit sets where the B-unit _is_ a slug, evident by a distinct lack of fuel tanks

    • @EllieMaes-Grandad
      @EllieMaes-Grandad หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@russellgxy2905 So much for standardisation . . . . from a modeller's perspective, a prototype for anything and everything . . .

  • @jeesmith99
    @jeesmith99 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    My dad was a conductor/brakeman for Santa Fe. In his tenure, he called them slugs. He was too late to the a unit and b unit world. He didn’t like them. Especially when the head end was bad order and the slug wasn’t a replacement leading the consist.

    • @jeesmith99
      @jeesmith99 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I forgot to mention he was Bakersfield to Barstow where lots of power was needed up front and as helpers.

    • @patrickread5455
      @patrickread5455 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      Slugs and B-units are different things normally, but it probably varies by railroad. Slug, as I've heard, is a locomotive with no cab or engine, only traction motors. B-units have an engine and motors, just no cab. SLugs are meant for shunting an low-speed work because at slow speeds, the engine will generate more power than the motors in the A-unit can use, so a slug gives it more motors to use that power.

    • @RedSkeletonGames
      @RedSkeletonGames หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@patrickread5455That's probably the best explanation of that. You learn something new every day I guess

    • @this51man
      @this51man หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@patrickread5455 slugs are also weighted down with concrete blocks for the lack of engine to get every single pound of that tractive effort
      Also unlike some B units (depending on who ordered it), slugs can't move on their own. They need their "mother" engine since that's where they get all their power from

    • @russellgxy2905
      @russellgxy2905 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      ​@@this51man Another critical difference is cabs. B-units are essentially cabless locos, but many slugs have cabs! CSX converted most of their GP30’s into slugs, but kept their cabs in place. Crews seem to like them as they can lead a train without a rumbling prime mover behind them. In theory, you could couple a B-unit to a cab-slug and run a train that way

  • @mason9077
    @mason9077 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    You should also do a video on "mother and slug" and "Cow and calf" configurations of paired motive power.

  • @pavelsovicka5292
    @pavelsovicka5292 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Just as an interesting sidenote: In eastern Europe, especially russia, the term "booster" means a frame with only traction motors and balast (no cab but also no engine). This booster is connected to the main locomotive by power cables in series with its own motors. This basically doubles adhesion and given there are twice as many motors in series it means that the entire unit has double the tractive effort with half the speed. They are only used as shunters.

    • @Colonel_Blimp
      @Colonel_Blimp หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Yes. What the Americans call a slug.

  • @vettebecker1
    @vettebecker1 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    My favorite diesel locomotive has always been the EMD F and E units, we currently own a 7.5 gauge A&B Southern set for our outdoor railroad.

  • @motorola762
    @motorola762 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Surprised you didn't Segway into talking about slugs. How the problem went from needing more horsepower to needing more traction.

  • @BradleyRock
    @BradleyRock หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    B-units are a classic but even though we don’t have that much today some still are still around in preservation
    Also rip Thomas

    • @BradleyRock
      @BradleyRock หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also my last name is Rock lol

  • @Hammerandhearth
    @Hammerandhearth หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    Yeah, what did happen to B-units?!?

    • @thatrandomguy8124
      @thatrandomguy8124 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      scraped or converted

    • @rockets4kids
      @rockets4kids หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      2:56

    • @jankington216
      @jankington216 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why produce locomotives without cabs? They're less useful, if anything

    • @ErickC
      @ErickC หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      TL;DR, the railroads realized that booster units were stupid. You pay just as much as you would for a cabbed unit, and utilization is poor because they can't operate autonomously. So, your two-unit train reaches its destination, and gets split up, and now you need two cabbed units. The power desk can't do anything with the booster, except maybe swap it for a cabbed unit from another consist, which is a waste of time. Better to just have a cab in every unit since you're paying the same anyway, and then any unit can be used for any purpose any time.

    • @kriscarver-seaboyer9204
      @kriscarver-seaboyer9204 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The B unit was created for one purpose but quickly evolved into a specific use locomotive, the one we all immediately think about - as a “building block” of rail power. However, its specific use wound up evolving into something else over time. Henceforth B units became a motive power dead-end. That the concept survived as long as it did to encompass third generation motive power such as GP60Bs and M420Bs shows how long it takes for change to happen with managerial thinking.

  • @rottenroads1982
    @rottenroads1982 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    0:08, POV: Mattel Destroying Thomas & Friends.

  • @MarioYoshi4723
    @MarioYoshi4723 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I’ve always asked myself this. I once found fanart of an ALC-42 B-Unit and I thought it looked pretty nice.
    I sent it to a train meme page and got a resounding: “Absolutely the **** not”.

    • @MatNichols-iz9dy
      @MatNichols-iz9dy หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That would look so good though

    • @harrisonofcolorado8886
      @harrisonofcolorado8886 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      10 bucks that that train meme page is full of anti-Charger foamers

    • @StefanWithTrains3222
      @StefanWithTrains3222 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Airo APV's are basically B-units

    • @00Zy99
      @00Zy99 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Link to the image, please?

  • @tolucaheights
    @tolucaheights หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    The ATSF theme song lives rent free in my head

  • @STHSIndustries2K6
    @STHSIndustries2K6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    B units are pretty iconic. I usually think of the F and E units when I see B units. Railroads definitely got creative with B units from the streamliners. Classic B units

  • @Ryan_Rail
    @Ryan_Rail หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    1:55 As a Coloraod Springs resident and a museum tour guide, I got an ear full of just how "ugly" the AB Rockisland units were from older residents in the area.😅

  • @railfandepotproductions
    @railfandepotproductions หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Some b-unit paint schemes rhyme well with normal funits

  • @jst7714
    @jst7714 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    0:01 the streamlined FEC paint scheme was perfection

  • @ANTI_I7
    @ANTI_I7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    the spamton references are just amazing

    • @InventorZahran
      @InventorZahran หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You sound like you live a [$4.99] life!

  • @RMSTitanicWSL
    @RMSTitanicWSL 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Many B-units had hostler controls, and could move independently of A-units, at least at low speed. The Rock Island's two AB-6s were actually considered motor cars by EMC, hence the lack of an "E" designation. The same applied to the AA-6 built for Missouri Pacific, which was similar to the AB-6s, except for having a streamlined front end like normal E6As. Numerous railroads converted road switchers into B-units over the years. Sometimes, the cab would remain, but the interiors (seats, controls, and other cab accommodations) would be removed. This happened with a number of D&RGW GP30s and GP35s, a BN GP38, the CSXT BQ23-7s, and a bunch of UP SD40-2s. As for units that lost their cabs (usually to wreck damage), the list includes a Missouri Pacific U30C (temporary, while waiting to get an EMD cab applied), several AT&SF SD45s and SD45-2s, an SSW B36-7, and a miscellaneous bunch of BN units, including several GPs of various models and a couple SD40-2s. If memory serves, BN was unusual for having a GP38B with its cab structure intact, as well as a GP38-2 with the cab actually removed.

  • @berkshireerielocomotive3322
    @berkshireerielocomotive3322 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Interesting presentation. Even though a vast majority had operator's controls and we're self-propelled, having a cab just made everything easier. As the operator's station in was located on one side of unit near a door, in which the operator had to lean out of to see.

  • @kleiner851
    @kleiner851 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    holy moley 10 seconds in and we already got trainbuild
    thank you

  • @H-24-66
    @H-24-66 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You always answer the questions I have about railroading I don't know how to find the answer to.

  • @JJRol.
    @JJRol. หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really love these videos. They sort of remind me of bedtime stories I heard when I was a kid, always about trains. These videos are super relaxing, especially the ones talking about older history!

  • @douglasskaalrud6865
    @douglasskaalrud6865 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don’t have any Soo Line F7A units on my layout but I do have two F7Bs. In the Soo Line tight-fisted power scheme of things in the early 1970’s it was common to pair up SD40’s and Dash-2s with an F7A or even an F7B for better unit utilization. That practice stopped only when the Soo started taking delivery of the GP38-2s and they finally had enough power to run their trains in a more conventional fashion. The ends of an F7B are a modelers paradise that are always overlooked. There are no pilot plates so all the plumbing is open. MU and steam lines, cut bars, sand hoses can all be modeled. The control stand in an F7B is for “local control” so a hostler can move them around the servicing area to make up a consist-nothing more. A relative of mine said he’d rather grab a switcher to shuffle units than to actually use the hostler controls . I remember him saying they were not designed for use by humans. It must have been interesting to be a brakeman on the ground and watch a seemingly unmanned brick rolling around.

    • @ErickC
      @ErickC หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've seen photos of those hostler cabs and agree they weren't designed for humans! I think they only had the first 3 throttle notches available.

  • @LuGer212
    @LuGer212 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I think there's either a visual or voice-over error at the A plus B unit power output segment.
    if it's 1600 x2, it should be 3200 hp. or if 3600 hp is the output, it shoudl be 1800 x2 hp.
    otherwise I would like to say: so great to see another vid on the channel. :)

    • @AmtrakGuy365
      @AmtrakGuy365  หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The EA's A and B unit were each rated for 1800 hp, idk where I got 1600 from lol. Went ahead and corrected that in the pinned comment. Thanks for watching and letting me know!

  • @JRS06
    @JRS06 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I remember that the train in Cars had a B unit, but I had no clue what it was. Thanks for explaining it.

  • @CraftyFoxe
    @CraftyFoxe หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Really great editing!

  • @fullscale4me
    @fullscale4me หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    On the Milwaukee Road: As intercity passenger service faded they broke up F7 ABBA sets. They sent most of the B units to freight pools. The displaced E9 A units were used to support the Chicago commuter service. I saw this when commuting to college.

  • @waltonwarrior7428
    @waltonwarrior7428 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great Railroad history review. Thanks for posting

  • @tracynation2820
    @tracynation2820 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Super. The D&RGW had an extra porthole window and rudimentary controls so that they could move their "B" units around without the need for an "A" unit. 💙 T.E.N.

  • @Aussie_Transport5371
    @Aussie_Transport5371 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    When you Briefly went over Australia you missed something, Australian National converted 4 ex SAR 600 Class to have no cab and run with there Ex Commonwealth Railways ALF class (formerly AL class, the 2nd cab removed) and where trialed as ALF-BU-ALF, this was great and all but it was very common for the locomotive to catch on fire, all since stored and then scrapped, the ALFs still exist though, you should do a small diesel oddity video on them. Good video as usual

  • @clintwilde1048
    @clintwilde1048 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When I was a kid back in the late 50's, my Dad was a supervisor over stationary boilers and power plants at Mayport NAS in FLA. Along side one mooring, were picket and what seemed like Fletcher class destroyers, several abreast, there was a truckless, non-descript RR B unit up on a timber foundation that provided shore power to all those tied up ships. I remember being in it with him while it was running, quite noisy, but both sides had been cut making a large swing up window to look out. It was there for quite a few years until real shore power was established from the power company. I was just a kid, but I remember following him as he crossed from ship to ship checking power, and how narrow the passage way in the superstructure was from starboard to port, then across the gang way to the next, imagining these in combat in WW II.

  • @CSXfan618
    @CSXfan618 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jared the BN B30-7As that were exported to Brazil were 4010, 4013, 4050, and 4051, among others and were sold to America Latina Logistica. Great video Jared!

  • @gcorriveau6864
    @gcorriveau6864 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fascinating. That quick glimpse of CNR's converted 'Blind Mice" (or blind beetles?) was a fun reminder of a very odd example.

  • @F40M07
    @F40M07 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video Jared!!! Love the information on this!!!!

    • @3bydacreekside
      @3bydacreekside หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We went to Jared ❤

  • @peterbumper2769
    @peterbumper2769 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    IMHO they went when the railroads understood that freight was the railroad future and an all engine consist made for better versatility

  • @1Nanerz
    @1Nanerz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Still my faves are BN’s B30-7A cabless units. Not even a BN fan, but they look awesome.

  • @JordysRailVideos
    @JordysRailVideos หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    4:52 The BU's from the 1990's were rebuilt SAR 600 class locomotives and the XRB's from the 2000's were new builds after XR's 557 - 559 (XR's 550 - 555 were rebuilt 1st (X32 - X35) and 2nd series (X38 + X40) X class locomotives with G class 16-645's and XR556 (was meant to be rebuilt from X36) never happened)

  • @rayinpau.s.a.6351
    @rayinpau.s.a.6351 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As a Train Buff . The B-Unit always completes my lash ups !

  • @MrBnsftrain
    @MrBnsftrain หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There are also some Russian 3-unit and 4-unit diesels and electrics, which are still being constructed!

  • @Abitibidoug
    @Abitibidoug หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember in the 1980s Via Rail refurbished some EMD A units at their shop in Montreal. The B units weren't refurbished and were either scrapped or sold.

  • @PendragonDaGreat
    @PendragonDaGreat หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    1:13 I too believe in Shimarin Supremacy.
    (fun fact: I actually have the very same collapsible grill that she bought in the original version of the scene)

  • @James_Knott
    @James_Knott หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Several A & B units, EMD IIRC, were used by GO Transit, a Toronto area commuter service. They were used to provide electrical power to the train and the A could be used for the cab at one end, as GO trains have a cab at each end. I believe they were ex Ontario Northland units.

  • @DTD110865
    @DTD110865 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There was a book I have which I can no longer find, which showed a 1965 color photograph of an A-B-B-B-A unit (or something like that) in Albuquerque which the author claimed will never be seen again. I really wish I could find out where I stashed that book.

  • @thesudriana016
    @thesudriana016 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    1:28 There Goes a Train footage!

    • @TheWarbonnet660
      @TheWarbonnet660 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It was also in “loaded for war” a Santa Fe documentary

  • @jameslegg9944
    @jameslegg9944 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you don’t know what that image is. It’s a train crossing the Potomac River on the girder bridge. heading into Harpers Ferry West Virginia. (0:48)

  • @TheWinnipegRailfan
    @TheWinnipegRailfan หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Scrumptious video as usual J-Money !
    The B Movie.

  • @FailedSquare
    @FailedSquare 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They are still semi around, they still use yard slugs in some places. The slugs don't have engines, they simply use the power generated from the loco to drive traction motors. I'm not aware of any road use for slugs though

  • @hjmiller2689
    @hjmiller2689 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Don't forget the GP35 had quite a few B-units (DD35's) in a sort of way before the DD35A was fully introduced

  • @asteroidrules
    @asteroidrules หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would have mentioned the EMD DDs, some of the last and most terrifying B units. Union Pacific wanted more power from their boosters so they ordered twin-engine sixteen-wheel B units, the last of which - the DD40 - is to this day the most powerful diesel-electric locomotive ever at 6,600 horsepower. UP originally ordered the DDs as B units only because they were concerned about having a four-axle truck leading a train and planned to sandwich them between GP35s.

  • @seantoris1763
    @seantoris1763 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent work as always

  • @Bill_D.
    @Bill_D. 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember when Family Lines (Clinchfield steam no. 1, 4-6-0), ran the Baker Special in 1978, with 2 F-7B units. They had a modified diesel control stand in the steam licomotive, to operate them.

  • @merryjingles
    @merryjingles หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is some real quality stuff mate! Have you considered doing a more rolling stock-focused video, like evolution of boxcars or tofc/intermodal?

  • @MatthiasWiesmann
    @MatthiasWiesmann หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I suspect B units disappeared for the same reason large locomotive built by permanently coupling multiple units became rare: the cost of a control cab relative to the whole locomotive went down. There are still massive monsters like the Shen 24 or the 2ЭС10, but they are the exception. In fact, most European locomotives have two cabs for the same reason: more flexibility.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah. You gotta wonder if having only one cab is really cheaper, when you see every ten-car local train running with 6000+hp because they're using a pair of GP40/50/60s to get a cab at each end.

    • @MatthiasWiesmann
      @MatthiasWiesmann 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@beeble2003 Local trains need to constantly accelerate (and brake), so the number of powered axles matter, this is why modern local trains are mostly multiple units. In Zürich, some local trains run with two Re 420 (4700 kW / 6300 hp) for 6 double decker cars, not because of the power , those Re 420 used to pull full intercity trains, but in order to be able to accelerate.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MatthiasWiesmann In the context of US railroading, "local train" means a freight train that generally doesn't exceed 25mph, and where the majority of time is spent switching cars into and out of customer sites. Acceleration isn't a factor in that context.

    • @MatthiasWiesmann
      @MatthiasWiesmann 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@beeble2003 Ah, ok, thanks, yes i agree, in that case you probably don't need that much power.

  • @karstendoerr5378
    @karstendoerr5378 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They still exist today. They just look different, like locomotives without a driver's cab. And they are coupled in front of the locomotives with a driver's cab. An example of this would be BNSF GP60B #346.

  • @Petemonster62
    @Petemonster62 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have seen F B-units used with road switchers on the Soo Line in the 1970s.

  • @Panzermeister36
    @Panzermeister36 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another great video, thanks!

  • @pokerfaceproductions1010
    @pokerfaceproductions1010 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    a chair is a type of seat

    • @CoffeESbeve
      @CoffeESbeve หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      a table is a type of thing where you usually place stuf

    • @InventorZahran
      @InventorZahran หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A bed is a type of large table designed to be slept on

  • @rochesterjohnny7555
    @rochesterjohnny7555 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The LIRR had a strange B-Unit in the late 90s on a train a few times, I never knew what it was until now, cool info

  • @philpots48
    @philpots48 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, thank you. Just the other day, seeing B-Unit's I wondered about them.

  • @EmS2o1o
    @EmS2o1o หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thomas getting hit by a diesel train 0:07

  • @DreamKeeper.
    @DreamKeeper. 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I live near the upper Mississippi in the driftless area and I saw 3 b units on a CN consist. One of them was running. It was an amazing sight to see

  • @B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont
    @B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont หลายเดือนก่อน

    I believe most if not all EMD B-Units had "hostler's controls" which would rev the engine enough to move it around shop tracks.
    Perhaps one of the most unusual B-Units was the Haysi Railroad's F7B (a rebuilt F3B) that had a windshield and full A-Unit controls installed in the early 1970s. At last check it is at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum, operable but in rough shape. Railroad Model Craftsman's article on the Clinchfield in late 1976 featured this unusual locomotive.

    • @sharkheadism
      @sharkheadism หลายเดือนก่อน

      They didn't all have hostler controls, the ATSF GP60Bs didn't.

  • @beboboymann3823
    @beboboymann3823 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sell them to utility companies to scatter about within the grid to kick in when generating plants are struggling to prevent brownouts. Or sell them to municipalities to use as emergency generators for emergency services departments.

  • @user-tr3py5nz2j
    @user-tr3py5nz2j 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The F-units really are my favorite diesels so I have about as many B-units as A-units. The combination of A and B units for freight and passenger trains just seem to be the perfect visual representation of diesel era trains. I do have other diesels dating up to 1965 so I can run more modern locos when I feel like it, but even then I really like the appearance of F-7’s, F-9’s and SD-9’s. I guess I just like the earlier diesels by EMD, mainly.

  • @RuralRailProductions
    @RuralRailProductions หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    B units are fire💯💯🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

  • @Michael-dn7uj
    @Michael-dn7uj 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    in the early 1970s the HAYSI railroad in Virginia purchased a former Clinchfield F7b, mounted a control stand inside the carbody and used it as their primary motive power throughout the 70s, the locomotive is currently at the tennessee valley railroad museum

  • @kennethtiller7916
    @kennethtiller7916 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent video

  • @beeble2003
    @beeble2003 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    BTW, there's another kind of B-unit that's still running. A lot of lease units are marked "B-unit only" as crew facilities like the toilet were removed rather than refurbished when the locomotive was retired from Class I service and sold to the lease company.

  • @Sleeper____1472
    @Sleeper____1472 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TL:DW Why get a booster when a road switcher with a cab makes more power than your entire lashup.

  • @paulsmyers203
    @paulsmyers203 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I could see the concept of a B unit coming back as a battery locomotive to tie into an MU. Instead of venting braking energy out through the roofs as heat it could be dumped into the B(attery) unit and consumed later to speed the train back up.

  • @redlight722
    @redlight722 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There is a B unit in the middle of Dallas at “John’s Cars” A collector of actual Amtrak trains.

  • @truecamvidea5881
    @truecamvidea5881 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So they existed. I'm searching about an opposite unit - dieselelectric locomotive that had extra output and via DC cables, the electricity was sent to a "booster unit" that was basically a DC motor on heavy chassis. I've seen a video about that long time ago. I remember those units being less tall. This made perfect sense - d-e locomotive has constant RPM and provides extra output (DC current). Why not send it to a pair of extra wheels to provide more torque and adhesion...

  • @atomstarfireproductions8695
    @atomstarfireproductions8695 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fun fact: About 10-15 years ago Norfolk Southern ordered some Railpower hybrid locomotives as B units. Those are built with frames from older locomotives, so some have no cab and some have the cab blanked. They are used as remote controlled switchers or as non-leading DPUs.

  • @StickPeopleAndPuff
    @StickPeopleAndPuff หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Side note: "CP Rail" is a hell of an abbreviation 💀

    • @yeoldeseawitch
      @yeoldeseawitch 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      it probably doesnt help that the railroad was part of a campaign called "every child matters", which was a fundraiser for missing children. but having that and "CP" on the front of the train certainly is not a good look

  • @SynchroScore
    @SynchroScore หลายเดือนก่อน

    I see you've indicated some of the B-units we've got at the Illinois Railway Museum. Last year, we had an A-B-B-A set of E-units running, that was hoot, especially when we got permission to do a high-speed mail pickup.

  • @theromanorder
    @theromanorder หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you do a video on the other trains mentioned that replaced the b units,
    Like what benifits did they offer that would make them better then the bosters (other then the flexibility of multiple diesels) like the road switchers, whats that exsactly?

  • @lachlanlandreth9069
    @lachlanlandreth9069 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The problem with the Australian ones were the fact they had a smaller fuel tank then the locos they were paired with. Fuelling from an inline fuel wagon was planned but never commissioned and used before storing.

  • @miniaturefarmer464
    @miniaturefarmer464 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think Santa Fe got GP-60B's for cost savings. They ran them from L.A. to Chicago on UPS trains. They just kept them in the middle of those lash-ups.

  • @davidburke1794
    @davidburke1794 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have seen some "B" units running as a single power unit as experimental closed loop short line in south ATL. No driver or any personal involved. Total remote managed.

  • @matthewmiller6068
    @matthewmiller6068 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Then swung around to seemed like slugs became popular in some rail lines having 1 diesel feeding power to 1-2 slugs that were just motor wheelsets and weights without a prime mover...

  • @bobingabout
    @bobingabout หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Considering American freight trains tend to have like, 4 to 6 A units in them, I'm kinda surprised that they don't have more B units.
    I mean, look at some of the shots you posted, they have 3 or 4 head engines.
    Though, speaking from the British perspective, All of our Engines have a cab at both end, unless it's part of some sort of streamline consist. (in which case, the engine at either end has a cab.)

    • @ErickC
      @ErickC หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ask yourself this: what happens when you reach your destination, and now you need 4 or 5 individual locomotives for local service or other tasks? Where do you get them from? The incoming train only has one cabbed unit and a bunch of boosters that you don't need.

    • @bobingabout
      @bobingabout หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ErickC As someone in Britain, I guess that is something I didn't think about.
      1. Currently, most British trains are passenger, and most of those are fixed consists.
      2. Most British cargo trains are also fixed consist, you might just roll the head engine around to the other end (with a passing lane, which is why the engine has a cab at both ends)
      3. Looking back at the past, the freight engine would drop off the cargo, then pick up the next job, yard engines, usually specific shunters like the Class 08 would split up and move the cargo wagons around.
      If the prime mover is going to stick around and do shunting work, then sure, having it being able to split up into half a dozen individual locomotives to do the yard work does make sense.

  • @zadaakusaido
    @zadaakusaido 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Booster reference from Mario RPG took me back. 😊

  • @wilschmor5615
    @wilschmor5615 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Would love to see a version of this video for slugs

  • @jamesbuckner4791
    @jamesbuckner4791 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oddly enough, I will point this out. We tend to call on the road slugs nowadays. Only the really steep lines tend to have them running around, though that's the reason why you will see a decent portion of them actually working the Nixon yard in Augusta.

    • @MrGlenferd
      @MrGlenferd หลายเดือนก่อน

      At CN we had engineless units that you call slugs slaves and these sets were used for hump service

  • @STYtrainspotter2007
    @STYtrainspotter2007 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice video Jared, also I'll give a little bit of a back story of the Australian B unit
    named the XRB they were built in 2005 by Pacific national in the South dynon locomotive depot in Melbourne Australia on 5 foot 3 broad gauge rail, and run tests on the BG, they're exactly built as PNs new XRs rebuilt from X classes, but XRB (the B standing for B unit). XRBs have a EMD 16-645EC3 engine in it so it produces 4,200 hp and only 3 of those were built. They were mainly used on the MP or MA services so that's Melbourne to Perth or Melbourne to Adelaide when they were gauge convered to standard gauge XRBs were seen with NR classes hauling them. they were short lived when the new 92/93 class locomotives came in or they just were forgotten, as of 2022 they haven't turn a inch being stored at port Agusta, last photo of one I've seen was around 2013 on a MC freight going towards Sydney

    • @ConRob_The_Gunzel
      @ConRob_The_Gunzel หลายเดือนก่อน

      In there last few years they where used on the Leigh Creek coal trains until they close the power station. Still stored at Port Augusta but have moved in the workshop

  • @joejoebus8814
    @joejoebus8814 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really love the old passenger service, pre-Amtrak especially, nothing against Amtrak. B-units run on my layout. I wish I could find a model of Rock Island 750 and 751. Thx for the video.

    • @joefin5900
      @joefin5900 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have two O Scale AB6 locos; one is a three rail powered and the other is a partially built two rail dummy brass loco.

  • @ErickBuildsStuff
    @ErickBuildsStuff วันที่ผ่านมา

    In India, these type of B units are called Generator cars and usually use up diesel and provide power for the train in the case of small loss of powers in certain remote areas. Unknown to general public is that when Panto fails to get electric power to engine, these generator cars provide enough power to keep the train moving until they reach next section of power line. They are rarely used only for certain remote areas where it is a known problem of sudden power failures. 😅

  • @AnimalsVehiclesAndMore
    @AnimalsVehiclesAndMore หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have to say, out of all the diesel locomotives that have existed, my most favorite ones are the E-series and the F-series. I've always liked their streamlined appearances and designs, as well as their B-units. It makes me wish that there were steam locomotives that had their own version of the B-unit (even though, they kind of already had that in the form of steam tenders, but they didn't work very well).
    Speaking of which, can you do a video of what would if steam trains came back and replaced diesels (if there were steam locomotives created that were even more efficient and economical than diesels)?

  • @Burlington_Route
    @Burlington_Route หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Giggity

    • @s_e-LBR
      @s_e-LBR หลายเดือนก่อน

      Giggity

  • @pickle4034
    @pickle4034 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    awesome. so sad to see the santa fe at the end so faded as it was a top of the line 90s 2000s engine im sure. very weird to see that fading/aging but then again ive been inside for 5 years also fading so its a parrallel of sorts.

  • @harryrimmer6830
    @harryrimmer6830 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And, of course, as higher and higher horsepower units were developed, the need for the additional prime mover in the B units were not needed, so "slug" units with additional traction motors only were developed.

  • @TheYardLimit
    @TheYardLimit หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think many of them got parted out and scrapped too as they got older. Many operations who were still using that first gen power didn't really need a B-Unit, but they were a great parts source for a more versatile A-Unit. I figured you would mention the Haysi F7B that was that railroad's sole motive power, a B-unit with Hostler controls. I suppose EMD TR transfer cow calf units deserve their own video. They were a somewhat different application than E and F-Units as they never really pulled line haul road trains at track speed. Another interesting use of B-units in later years was the Clichfield #1 doing mainline excursions in the 60s and 70s while being a small locomotive. They put some B-unit Hostler controls in its cab and ran it with a B-Unit. Probably the first preserved steam loco to do so. I know the Royal Hudson toured with some F-B-Units painted to match its train in the 80s.

  • @amtrakp4242
    @amtrakp4242 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:12 I’ve seen the demo FT at the NMOT (National Museum of Transportation) and it’s in really good condition

  • @ih1440
    @ih1440 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the 334 sneaking in there. Special unit to me