I admire your delivery, your short concise voice over is very easy to follow. You are an good teacher. You held my interest even though I knew what subject matter was up next. Thanks for your evaluation!
I just got mine 2 days ago. Found your video and I'm so glad I did. I'm always intimidated by tools that need to be carefully and have in depth assembly. I'm always afraid I'll get something wrong. Your video has eased my tension on getting this right! Loved it and Thank You!!!
I appreciated your video, but I appreciated all of the respectful replies you've made to others in the comment section even more. Thanks for being a decent human being. Subscribed.
Waiting for my table to come in a couple of days after finding out my Bosch does not fit my old table. Have to say that I enjoyed the video, clear, concise and easy to follow. Have bookmarked it for when the table comes in. Not only did you have great views as you assembled the table, but the speed you did it in along with your oral tutorial was smooth and easy to follow. Thank you sir, I will be checking out your other videos as well. Joey
Great video. I just bought the same table and router from a fellow woodworker for $225. They were brand new in the box. The table top will fit perfectly in my Ridgid table saw extension. I am happy to hear that you said it comes with shims to joint. Hopefully I can get it set up tomorrow.
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice th-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
great video thanks for sharing, i bought one on marketplace that someone partially put together got frustrated and sold it for like 100 bucks he had the leveling screws attached to the plate, and a few other things were not correct, i just received the Bosch 1617 for Fathers Day , thanks for sharing
I have one of these tables and my top was warped, as someone else has mentioned in the comments. I contacted Bosch and they sent out a new top, so kudos to them for the customer service. Unfortunately, it was also warped. I took a couple hours and was able to flatten it a bit by knocking down the high spots (with elbow grease and some sand paper on a slab of flat granite). It helped a considerably, but there are still low points and the top still isn't flat enough to support workpieces for something like nicely fitting rails and stiles. I've continued to use it for less precise work, but plan on getting a new table top, plate and fence when I finally tackle the upcoming kitchen project.
Interesting! I’m sorry to hear about your experience with the table tops. It’s possible I’m just not nearly as attuned to minor differences that some of the users (yourself included) are seeing. Glad Bosch at least tried to remedy the situation. Thanks for the comment!
Excellent video. Very concise and easy to understand. I am in the process of deciding which router table to buy. Your video has not only convinced me to get this one, but has eased my fears about set up and leveling. Thank you for posting this. It was extremely helpful.
Really helpful. I've read mixed reviews about this table, but this reassures me. I reside in S. Africa so I'll need to import it from the US or Europe. A big investment, so it needs to be good. Thanks for your time making this.
I had the Craftsman version of both the table and router. The router I loved but the Craftsman version of the table fence wasn’t so good because I couldn’t align the fence at the opening and work pieces would hit the out feed fence and get caught. I purchased the Bosch router today and will be purchasing this table next!! Thanks for the review!!
I just double checked and what is showing in this clip is the MDF not being flush to the table. When I throw my level across the table is flat within about 1/64”. This may not be flat enough for some, but for an amateur woodworker, this is perfect for me. Give me 5 years and that may change, but for now 😂
@@johnyabut5887 both the router and table can be found on Amazon at the following links 😊 prices will vary depending on when you check. Router Kit, Bosch 1617EVSPK: amzn.to/2HE72Kk Router Table, Bosch RA1181: amzn.to/37OY0W6
@@smatttpersonally I think any squaring is a pain in the rear but it’s less complicated than others. Just take your time and don’t get too frustrated. All-in-all not too bad.
Thanks Frank! I appreciate the kind words and am glad this video was helpful for you! If you come across anything during setup hay wasn’t answered, feel free to drop it here!
@@TheAyotteMan I do make a small affiliate percentage from Amazon purchases for anything linked through there but I would not argue with your proposal!
Your review sold me. I have the Bosch dual level miter saw so I expect this sort of complexity (that German engineering), but what surprised me is the dust collection (the dust collection on their miter saw is....cute lol)
I’m glad you appreciated it! Here’s a quick link to the table and router if you need it. Router Kit, Bosch 1617EVSPK: amzn.to/2HE72Kk Router Table, Bosch RA1181: amzn.to/37OY0W6
I bought virtually the same table 20 years ago made by an Australian Company called Global Machine Company. Came with its own router. I got it REALLY Cheap from Lowe’s. I just had to assemble it. I remember the Manager at Lowe’s was VERY eager to get rid of it.
@@NorthwestCraftsman Yes sir it has! It doesn’t get heavy use as I also have a Router in my ancient Delta Rockwell table saw extension. It’s fascinating this design has endured. Mine also has legs so it stands alone. I’m really sure I’ve seen this same design under other names as well. I also bought a cheap Drill Press from that company as well. Still hanging in there. It even has a laser!……..Cheers
Good for you for being able to slide the router in so easily. I CANNOT do it. Ended up buying a second router just so I wouldn't spend 30 minutes of my life trying to get the thing to slide into the housing.
Shoot! I’m sorry to hear that. At the risk of asking a really dumb question, are the arrows lined up when you’re trying to slide it in? It’s also possible yours has more interference which causes it to bind up.
@@NorthwestCraftsman I appreciate it. If you Google it, you'll see lots of people have the same issue. Something about the type of metal- sm ooth to slide into the housing, but it's it gouges easily and skews the geometry just enough
Interesting! That’s good to know. Seems like Bosch could put some polycarbonate glides in there to ease on the mental on metal interface. Glad you were able to find a solution, even though it was quite expensive.
Just got my 1181 from Amazon and assembled tonight, can’t wait to use it! I also ordered the dust collection adapter for the 1617 router that you demo’d from Etsy. That looks like it will prevent any dust from getting out, though I do think it will be a bit of a hassle to change bits. It would be worth it to keep the dust to a minimum.
Awesome! 😄 I’m excited for you to get to use it! I was thinking the same thing about the bits but another viewer commented about Bosch’s “Offset Wrenches” and sure enough, they have some. They allow you to change the bit from above the table much more easily. Here’s a link! I’ll probably be getting a pair myself. Offset Wrenches. amzn.to/34zl0Jm
Great video man keep em coming. Maybe you could bring us along on some projects. Also thanks for posting the model numbers for the Bosch parts used. Going to pick up a combo myself.
I can totally understand that. The router table was far more interactive to put together. As a followup on the router though, I have been very impressed by the combo. It’s held up to a lot of abuse and endless hours of work. Happy wood working!
This is the second video of yours I’ve stumbled upon in my pursuit of picking up wood working as a hobby. I just picked this model up and researched it on TH-cam and your video helped a lot. Decided to subscribe as I like your format and approach and look forward to seeing your other videos.
Sean, thank you very much for your kind words! I’m glad you find the videos useful and am glad to have you as a part of the community! Look forward to seeing you around.
Looks like this is the table I’m getting. Bought a Kreg thinking it’d be a little better, but I’m missing several fasteners. Should have just went with the Bosch to begin with.
@@NorthwestCraftsman You're welcome.... do you have any recommendations for websites/books/etc for learning the ins and outs of router applications/custom routing/etc...?
Very nice. Thanks for help with assembly. The confusing part is all the screws. All these terms: truss head, pan head, #10 by xxx. Why didn't they just color code the 400 screws that are included? Then they would say, put the phillips head (ORANGE) screws (4) into points, etc. Part of your video that really helped was when putting on router plate (aluminum) at point 4:29. One doesn't actually put the 8 screws THROUGH the holes but only uses them for leveling. I know that was said in the instructions but because I didn't have 8 screws anymore (2 were put in wrong location on dust port) it was very confusing. Your video is very helpful, though so I took out the 2 from dust port and now had 8 for top plate. What about that round, clear plastic piece - is that supposed to attach to prevent chips from flying up? No mention in manual or in your video? It's about 3 inches in diameter and has a place for a screw at one end.
Thanks for the compliment! I agree color coding would be a good idea on their part. In the screw bag is a small post like screw with a flat head top. Put that inside the post of that clear piece and screw it into the router plate at about the 2o’clock position. It’s intended as a shield for routing without the fence.
Doesn’t look like the 610 is compatible but double check page 15 of the manual below. pdf.lowes.com/productdocuments/33317c1b-1aec-45b5-9eae-46caa8e591db/08063444.pdf
Great question! I’m not sure. Here’s a link to the manual, page 15 has compatible routers with the base plate and I think it has dimensions as well. pdf.lowes.com/productdocuments/33317c1b-1aec-45b5-9eae-46caa8e591db/08063444.pdf
If I interpreted your question correctly, it depends on what you’re looking to do. At a high level, this is just the table and the necessary parts to adjust it. However, it doesn’t include the Router. If you buy the Bosch 1617EVSPK (link below), it has a fixed base router body that can be used under the table really easily. Regarding other accessories, you’ll need to buy your bits but that’s about it. I’d recommend a cheap variety pack first to see what you use most, then, when you need to replace them, get a nice Freud bit. 1617 EVSPK: amzn.to/49KJbSl
It does and I am! The only qualm I have is that the work area is pretty small. Though, I think the only way you can get around that is to build one of your own.
Nope! It’s still there. It comes with the wrench but you’ll still need a router mount that has the bottom side adjustment. The fixed base in the Bosch 1617 EVSPK kit has that.
Great question and thanks! I don’t have that setup but if you’re only looking to cut dado’s a table saw is probably the way to go. This is more useful if you have other profiles you’d like to use like rounds, changers, etc.
I’ve gone back and forth. It’s certainly not flush but I don’t generally rely on it to datum my parts, just prevent them from falling in. Bosch certainly left room for improvement.
There’s a 2-1/4” port on the back of the fence which works pretty well if you’re using the right size bit collar (the red plastic rings that reduce the gap around your bit). It does like to dump chips below the table if you don’t close that gap (not always possible), which is annoying, but, I’m planning to build something to add dust collection below as well.
Thanks! I got both the table and router from Amazon. The links below have the model numbers and should get you there. Router Kit, Bosch 1617EVSPK: amzn.to/2HE72Kk Router Table, Bosch RA1181: amzn.to/37OY0W6
I owned this Bosch table. I have one minor complaint and two major complaints about it. The minor complaint is that the cast and machined table surface isn't flat. It was warped, not severely but enough to be very annoying to me. The first major complaint is that the insert is a non-standard size, so you can't use another vendor's router lift. The second major complaint is with mounting a Bosch fixed base upside down to the insert plate. When you turn Bosch's MRF01 base, for example, upside down, the entire weight of the router motor is suspended by a single E-clip, a spring clip held in a groove on the height adjustment shaft. That clip eventually gave way and left the motor unsuspended for height adjustments. Most fixed router bases use a similar design such that they're great when used right-side-up, but they're unacceptably weak when used upside down. Combine that problem with the inability to use a third-party router lift, and you end up with an annoying and awkward router table.
Robert, thanks for your well thought out response. I can understand why the warped table leaves a sour taste, especially if you want to use your table for anything like jointing, makes it unusable. I didn’t know that the router plate was a non standard size! Interesting and frustrating if you already have another router. I know it’s designed to work with the 1617EVS and the height adjustment included but I hadn’t thought about height adjustment with other brands. That’s a great point. With regards to the mounting, are there not fasteners that attach your router to the router plate? The securement method I have and see on the plate is quite secure. I guess this assumes the default Bosch plate is used.
@@NorthwestCraftsman To be clear, other router motors fit into the Bosch router plate. It has several hole patterns so that you can use other motors. However, the plates of third-party router lift manufacturers won't fit into the tabletop. Regarding the E-clip, I can speak only to the Bosch MRF01, the fixed base associated with the Bosch MRC23EVSK router system. Certainly, the fixed base is well secured to the insert plate. And, the main clamp of the base securely holds the motor in the base when routing. BUT, when the main clamp is loosened for height adjustment, the entire weight of the motor is suspended from the E-clip. This is getting into the weeds, but you can see an illustration of the E-clip this way: Go to the Bosch website and search for MRF01. Go to the product page that describes the MRF01 and then scroll down under "SUPPORT". Click the "More information" button under "Search for Parts Diagram". Enter "MRF01" (without quotes) in the "Tool Model Number" window and click the Search button. Then click "View Parts Diagram". Item 21 is the height adjustment shaft. Item 23 rides on Item 21 and its tab locks into a groove on the motor; the tab supports the motor when the main clamp is loosed for height adjustment. Item 22 is the E-clip, what the Parts List calls "Retaining snap ring"; THIS supports Items 21 and 23 and, thus, the weight of the motor.
I don’t think it’s new, I’m seeing reviews of it back in 2015. Maybe a distribution/supply issue? Or they may be flushing it for a new model. Good luck finding one!
Just about! The router plate has a ton of configurations to match different models. I use the Bosch 1617 and purchased the EVSPK which comes with both the plunge and fixed base for the router spindle. Honestly it’s my favorite tool in the shop. Here’s my video on it. New Bosch 1617 Router | Unboxing EVSPK Fixed & Plunge Combo th-cam.com/video/06Xcl2aPA1c/w-d-xo.html
That’s actually a great idea to give you more space to work. I don’t think it has a true lift, just access for the Bosch fixed base which as a bottom side adjustment.
@@NorthwestCraftsman I have a harbor freight Hercules plunge router that I want to add to a router table with a lift, any ideas? I have seen all of the router lift kits, but I want the slides and French to go with it without building
No problem! A planer is the tool I’d use but 3x5 is too short for most if not all planers which means you’ll either need to double sticky it down, or plane it before cutting them to 3x5 (this is the route I’d go).
Hey Steve! Currently I just use a shop vac hooked up to a dust deputy. You can find the links to all of the parts below: Dust Collection Parts Blue Barrel: amzn.to/3gKwfPS Dust Deputy: amzn.to/2PJooq4 Hose, 2.5”: amzn.to/3gLeqAp Hose, 2.5” Adapters: amzn.to/30MqFqJ
Doesn’t look like it’s compatible with this particular Makita. Check out page 15 of the manual though to confirm. RA1181 Manual pdf.lowes.com/productdocuments/33317c1b-1aec-45b5-9eae-46caa8e591db/08063444.pdf
Likely but check the owners manual linked below. They have a table on page 15 which details the compatible routers. pdf.lowes.com/operatingguides/000346353679_oper.pdf
Is the table perfectly flat. And is the fence 90° to the table? This is important for a router table. You can make high fences, by removing the fence bolts and drill auxiliary fences to fit through the original fences. And bolt all fences together and lock down. This is why it should be 90°.
The table is flat within about 1/64” or less, checked that just a few days ago. I believe I also checked the fence for square but will double check tomorrow morning. In complete agreement that this is critical.
Hi NWC! Thanks for the video. Very informative! Some questions regarding the height adjustment feature of the fixed base when mounted to the router table: 1- Is it a good replacement of a router lift? 2- Is it accurate? 3- Is it easy to use? Thanks for sharing. Saludos from Mexico City.
¡Buenos dias mi amigo! Gracias por la pregunta. Excellent questions. I would say it’s a great replacement for a router lift, it’s extremely accurate (I can easily move it within a few thousandths of an inch), and it’s very easy to use. Just make sure to undo the friction lock on your base before adjusting. Tenga un buen dia! Josh Northwest Craftsman
What’s the clearance below it . And can you use a larger router.. I.E porter cable 3.1/4 plunge and is the table set up for micro adjustment with a plunge . Thx any info will save me time much appreciated.
- Clearance is about 9” from bench top to the top of that window underneath. - Not sure about the size of router, really depends on how big it is. I would imagine if Bosch has the router plate pattern for your router, it’ll work. No guarantees though. - It is set up for micro adjustments from the table top and honestly that is one of my favorite features.
I would ask what Northwest Craftsman thinks about the use of the Bosch Above-Table Hex Key RA1165 with this table? Is it helpful? Is it worth it to purchase with the table? I appreciate the great video. Thank you for the excellent assembly review!
Glad you found it helpful Brian! I’m not sure of the product code you listed but the hex key that comes with this table, RA1181, is incredible. Easy to use and very precise. Just make sure to undo the friction lock on your spindle before adjusting.
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful! It’s lasted great! Full disclosure, I am not a full time shop by any means so I haven’t worked it as hard as it could be, but for a weekend hobbyist, it’s been awesome!
This is super helpful! Bought a router then quickly realized I needed a table (beginner), and I bought this one. Your video will be my go-to for set up, so thank you. I was wondering the height of your workbench. I bought a Craftsman early on and - it sure is pretty but - it’s too high for this. I don’t want to make that mistake again. What do you recommend for the height of the work bench for this, and how much space would you allow on either side, if it’s a stand alone piece? Thanks in advance! Ashlynn
Hey Ashlynn! I’m glad you found it helpful! And no worries 😂 I’m right there with you. Always learning. If you are making your own workbench, you can customize it to exactly your height. Generally speaking, the height of your work benches will range somewhere between your waist and rib cage. The lower the workbench, the more you are leaning over it, but the more power you can get as your muscling through things. The taller it is, the less power you get behind it, but the more ergonomic and close to your eyes it is for fine work. For the router table I have mine at about my belly button. Ideally, you shouldn’t have to muscle anything across the router table, whatever bit you are using should easily cut. I may even opt to have it a little bit higher. However, when you are building that workbench, make sure to take into account the height of the router table. Seems like a stupid reminder, but I make those kinds of mistakes all the time. 😂
@@NorthwestCraftsman thank you so much for your thorough response. And for the helpful tip at the end! That’s pretty critical, and knowing me, I would’ve spaced it. Thanks for the valuable information in the video and for the feedback.
Thank you for doing this video. I'm looking at getting a router table for building a computer desk and this video eased some of my concerns on putting it together and using it.
That’s a great question! The table isn’t really limited on how long of a piece you can fit into it, your biggest limiter will be supporting the workpiece. For reference, I have tongue and groove jointed nearly an 8 foot board on this. Though, I had roller feed supports on the incoming and outgoing side. If you are looking to only support it with the table, 24 inches is probably fine but 36 inches starts to get a little bit dicey, depending on how heavy the work piece is. For jointing a board, the same logic follows.
@@NorthwestCraftsman thanks so much! I already have the table but have been reluctant to set it up. I think I will build a shelf onto the side of my MFT workbench where I can use aluminum profile+dog holes as a longer fence. I'm guessing the feed side is the most important side to keep straight for stability and accuracy?
@ no problem! And that’s a great idea. I will likely be building this into another table or building a table of my own at some point as well. Just to give me more supported space. Generally yes, the in-feed side is the most important.
Thanks excellent video helped me decide to order one. It will be here this week. Don't think I could build one for much less than the selling price $199.00 shipped on Amazon
Congrats! Very exciting to have both of those on the way! I also couldn’t agree more about the price for a table. Given where I am in my woodworking career, I probably couldn’t make a table of this quality for that price.
Just put put.it together this morning. The instructions in the manual are very very good, just like you said. Your video really helped with cutting down the time it took to put it together took less than thirty minutes thanks to your video. I am now a subscriber to your channel.
@@rcboals welcome! We’re glad to have you as a part of the community! I’m also glad that this video helped you put your new table together. Hopefully you get a ton of good use out of it and can make some awesome projects!
I admire your delivery, your short concise voice over is very easy to follow. You are an good teacher. You held my interest even though I knew what subject matter was up next. Thanks for your evaluation!
Thanks Leroy! I appreciate your kind words!
I just got mine 2 days ago. Found your video and I'm so glad I did. I'm always intimidated by tools that need to be carefully and have in depth assembly. I'm always afraid I'll get something wrong. Your video has eased my tension on getting this right! Loved it and Thank You!!!
I’m so glad you appreciated it! Hope yours serves you as well as mine has me!
Hey, it’s been 2 years since you got it. How do you like it?
I appreciated your video, but I appreciated all of the respectful replies you've made to others in the comment section even more. Thanks for being a decent human being. Subscribed.
Thank you! I really appreciate your compliment. Glad to have you as a part of the community!
Josh
Northwest Craftsman
Very precise instruction. No rambling nonsense. Great job! Subscribed.
Waiting for my table to come in a couple of days after finding out my Bosch does not fit my old table. Have to say that I enjoyed the video, clear, concise and easy to follow. Have bookmarked it for when the table comes in. Not only did you have great views as you assembled the table, but the speed you did it in along with your oral tutorial was smooth and easy to follow. Thank you sir, I will be checking out your other videos as well. Joey
Thanks! I’m so glad you found it helpful! Good luck with your set up and enjoy your new table!
Thanks for the detailed video it will help a lot of folks
Glad you think so!
Great video. I just bought the same table and router from a fellow woodworker for $225. They were brand new in the box. The table top will fit perfectly in my Ridgid table saw extension. I am happy to hear that you said it comes with shims to joint. Hopefully I can get it set up tomorrow.
Awesome! That’s a steal of a deal! Happy building, I’ve loved having mine around.
I’m thinking of getting this router table and same router you have. You still like the router table? Is it level?
@@stevesiefken6432 I do like it. I have never had any issues with the table or router. 👍🏼
My table is coming next Wednesday (12/13/23. Can't wait to use my new toy with my new router. Great video.
Awesome! I’m excited for you to get to crack it open! I’ve loved mine.
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice th-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
Totally agree! Bosch did a really great job with this.
great video thanks for sharing, i bought one on marketplace that someone partially put together got frustrated and sold it for like 100 bucks he had the leveling screws attached to the plate, and a few other things were not correct, i just received the Bosch 1617 for Fathers Day , thanks for sharing
Hey! Sorry for the late reply, glad you got it worked out! And yea, that’s no good when you used equipment like that.
I have one of these tables and my top was warped, as someone else has mentioned in the comments. I contacted Bosch and they sent out a new top, so kudos to them for the customer service. Unfortunately, it was also warped. I took a couple hours and was able to flatten it a bit by knocking down the high spots (with elbow grease and some sand paper on a slab of flat granite). It helped a considerably, but there are still low points and the top still isn't flat enough to support workpieces for something like nicely fitting rails and stiles. I've continued to use it for less precise work, but plan on getting a new table top, plate and fence when I finally tackle the upcoming kitchen project.
Interesting! I’m sorry to hear about your experience with the table tops. It’s possible I’m just not nearly as attuned to minor differences that some of the users (yourself included) are seeing. Glad Bosch at least tried to remedy the situation. Thanks for the comment!
awesome assembly portion, good pace of steps...
Thanks! I’m glad you liked it
Excellent video. Very concise and easy to understand. I am in the process of deciding which router table to buy. Your video has not only convinced me to get this one, but has eased my fears about set up and leveling. Thank you for posting this. It was extremely helpful.
So glad you found it helpful! This router table has been great for me and is a perfect starter, especially if you don’t want to build one.
Researching router tables, I came across this video. Glad I did. After looking at some of your other content, you have a new subscriber.
Thanks Wade! I'm glad you found it useful and glad to have your around!
Josh
Northwest Craftsman
Bosch should be paying you as an instructor on how to use their tools. Great vid.
Haha, much appreciated! Glad you found it useful!
Thank's from us lady's out there your video was very informative 👌
Glad I could help! 😊
Happy Woodworking!
Josh
Northwest Craftsman
Really helpful. I've read mixed reviews about this table, but this reassures me. I reside in S. Africa so I'll need to import it from the US or Europe. A big investment, so it needs to be good. Thanks for your time making this.
I’m glad you appreciated it!
Happy woodworking!
Just watched the video. Getting mine in the mail tomorrow! Appreciate the tips!
Glad you enjoyed it! And awesome!! I love mine and use it all the time.
I need to get more of that on off action
Great, thorough overview. Thank you!
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
I had the Craftsman version of both the table and router. The router I loved but the Craftsman version of the table fence wasn’t so good because I couldn’t align the fence at the opening and work pieces would hit the out feed fence and get caught. I purchased the Bosch router today and will be purchasing this table next!! Thanks for the review!!
Oh man! That would be a huge pain! Glad you found the video helpful and hope you find the combo as useful as I have!
You can see (6:26 ) that this table is worped. look at the left side of the fence as it rises towards the center of the table.
I’ll need to double check when I get to the shop this morning but I’m pretty sure this was the MDF fence and not the table top.
I just double checked and what is showing in this clip is the MDF not being flush to the table. When I throw my level across the table is flat within about 1/64”. This may not be flat enough for some, but for an amateur woodworker, this is perfect for me. Give me 5 years and that may change, but for now 😂
@@NorthwestCraftsman Thanks for the reply, glad it was the MDF and not the table.
@@michaeljakus8373 of course! Thanks for calling me out, there are many times that I’ll miss something like that and that’s how learning happens.
I purchased the same table from Lowe's about 2 years (had to special order it) ago and it is still going strong (just used it today). Great video!
Sweet! Glad to hear it’s still going strong!
@@NorthwestCraftsman how much this router ?
@@johnyabut5887 both the router and table can be found on Amazon at the following links 😊 prices will vary depending on when you check.
Router Kit, Bosch 1617EVSPK: amzn.to/2HE72Kk
Router Table, Bosch RA1181: amzn.to/37OY0W6
How easy is it to square the fence to the bit? I have an older Ryobi router table and it is a massive pain to properly align the fence.
@@smatttpersonally I think any squaring is a pain in the rear but it’s less complicated than others. Just take your time and don’t get too frustrated. All-in-all not too bad.
Fantastic video. You've sold me on this unit and I will be reverting back to this video to make sure I'm setting it up properly along with the manual.
Thanks Frank! I appreciate the kind words and am glad this video was helpful for you! If you come across anything during setup hay wasn’t answered, feel free to drop it here!
Bought this table immediately after the video from your link. Thank you for a great demo.
Thanks! I appreciate your support of the channel and hope you enjoy yours as much as I have mine!
@@NorthwestCraftsman Lowe’s and or Bosch needs to be sending you some goodies for making them some money!!
@@TheAyotteMan I do make a small affiliate percentage from Amazon purchases for anything linked through there but I would not argue with your proposal!
Your review sold me. I have the Bosch dual level miter saw so I expect this sort of complexity (that German engineering), but what surprised me is the dust collection (the dust collection on their miter saw is....cute lol)
Bosch really nailed it with this one. I’m glad I’m not the only one that appreciates it.
Have fun with it!
Thank you for this video. I am currently looking for a table on a budget this video has made up my mind
Glad you found it useful!
Very happy i watched this. Thanks!
Glad you found it helpful!
Followed your Amazon link and purchased. Thank you so much for the video. subbed and liked
Thank Frank! I appreciate your support and compliment!
Good video. Was about to build a new table, but I think you changed my mind.
I’m glad you appreciated it! Here’s a quick link to the table and router if you need it.
Router Kit, Bosch 1617EVSPK: amzn.to/2HE72Kk
Router Table, Bosch RA1181: amzn.to/37OY0W6
Me too. I think I'll just buy this router table. I'm new to woodworking and I think this will help a newbie hit the ground running a lot faster.
@@NorthwestCraftsman That’s one of my routers and my favorite by far. Have the fixed base in my old table and use the plunge base for everything else.
I bought virtually the same table 20 years ago made by an Australian Company called Global Machine Company. Came with its own router. I got it REALLY Cheap from Lowe’s. I just had to assemble it. I remember the Manager at Lowe’s was VERY eager to get rid of it.
Fascinating! Has it held up over those years?
@@NorthwestCraftsman Yes sir it has! It doesn’t get heavy use as I also have a Router in my ancient Delta Rockwell table saw extension.
It’s fascinating this design has endured. Mine also has legs so it stands alone. I’m really sure I’ve seen this same design under other names as well.
I also bought a cheap Drill Press from that company as well. Still hanging in there. It even has a laser!……..Cheers
very clear and understandable thanks much
Glad you found it helpful!
Good for you for being able to slide the router in so easily. I CANNOT do it. Ended up buying a second router just so I wouldn't spend 30 minutes of my life trying to get the thing to slide into the housing.
Shoot! I’m sorry to hear that. At the risk of asking a really dumb question, are the arrows lined up when you’re trying to slide it in? It’s also possible yours has more interference which causes it to bind up.
@@NorthwestCraftsman I appreciate it. If you Google it, you'll see lots of people have the same issue. Something about the type of metal- sm ooth to slide into the housing, but it's it gouges easily and skews the geometry just enough
Interesting! That’s good to know. Seems like Bosch could put some polycarbonate glides in there to ease on the mental on metal interface.
Glad you were able to find a solution, even though it was quite expensive.
Just got my 1181 from Amazon and assembled tonight, can’t wait to use it! I also ordered the dust collection adapter for the 1617 router that you demo’d from Etsy. That looks like it will prevent any dust from getting out, though I do think it will be a bit of a hassle to change bits. It would be worth it to keep the dust to a minimum.
Awesome! 😄 I’m excited for you to get to use it! I was thinking the same thing about the bits but another viewer commented about Bosch’s “Offset Wrenches” and sure enough, they have some. They allow you to change the bit from above the table much more easily. Here’s a link! I’ll probably be getting a pair myself.
Offset Wrenches.
amzn.to/34zl0Jm
@@NorthwestCraftsman sweet! Ordering them now! Thanks again
This helped me so much! Thanks 🙏
Glad you found it helpful!
Excellent video.
Great video man keep em coming. Maybe you could bring us along on some projects. Also thanks for posting the model numbers for the Bosch parts used. Going to pick up a combo myself.
Thanks for your kind words! And projects are on the way! Have you seen the bed frame video yet?
Thanks for the info. Nice video
Great video. I think this helped me decide on this table. Would love to see how you feel about it 2 years later?
Glad to hear it! I still love it and use it often! Only complaint is I wish it was bigger but for a first table, it’s perfect 👍
Thank You.
Wow I'm buying!!!
Love mine! Hope you love yours too!
Hey bro! Nice video!! I like it bro good job
Thanks! I'm glad you appreciated it!
Much better than your router review video
I can totally understand that. The router table was far more interactive to put together. As a followup on the router though, I have been very impressed by the combo. It’s held up to a lot of abuse and endless hours of work.
Happy wood working!
good explanation. Thanks for the hints. have now subscribed to your channel.
Thanks Stan! Glad to have you as a part of the community!
Thanks and excellent.
Can you use different brand routers with this table ?
Sure can! Below is a link to the manual and page 14ish has a list of compatible routers.
Manual
pdf.lowes.com/operatingguides/000346353679_oper.pdf
@@NorthwestCraftsman thank you
you did a good job.
Thanks Daniel!
Great video; thank you!
So glad you enjoyed it!
This is the second video of yours I’ve stumbled upon in my pursuit of picking up wood working as a hobby. I just picked this model up and researched it on TH-cam and your video helped a lot. Decided to subscribe as I like your format and approach and look forward to seeing your other videos.
Sean, thank you very much for your kind words! I’m glad you find the videos useful and am glad to have you as a part of the community! Look forward to seeing you around.
Looks like this is the table I’m getting. Bought a Kreg thinking it’d be a little better, but I’m missing several fasteners. Should have just went with the Bosch to begin with.
Shoot! I’m sorry to hear that! Hopefully you’re able to get up and running quickly
High Five Thanks !!!
🙋♂️💥
Glad you found it helpful!
thank you, excellent tutorial.
Glad you liked it!
just what I was looking for....
Can you adjust the height of the bit from the top of the table?
Sure can! If you’re using the Bosch 1617 EVSPK fixed base, it’s in the front left.
Can you make height adjustments?
By itself, no, but that the router plate has a hole that integrates with the 1617EVSPK base for table top access height adjustments 😊
Nice.... great help. You need to be on TV
Thanks! I appreciate the compliment and am glad you found it helpful!
@@NorthwestCraftsman You're welcome.... do you have any recommendations for websites/books/etc for learning the ins and outs of router applications/custom routing/etc...?
Great question! Unfortunately I don’t know of any good written resources. You may look up the wood whisperer to see if he has any listed!
Great video
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Very nice. Thanks for help with assembly. The confusing part is all the screws. All these terms: truss head, pan head, #10 by xxx. Why didn't they just color code the 400 screws that are included? Then they would say, put the phillips head (ORANGE) screws (4) into points, etc.
Part of your video that really helped was when putting on router plate (aluminum) at point 4:29. One doesn't actually put the 8 screws THROUGH the holes but only uses them for leveling. I know that was said in the instructions but because I didn't have 8 screws anymore (2 were put in wrong location on dust port) it was very confusing. Your video is very helpful, though so I took out the 2 from dust port and now had 8 for top plate.
What about that round, clear plastic piece - is that supposed to attach to prevent chips from flying up? No mention in manual or in your video? It's about 3 inches in diameter and has a place for a screw at one end.
Thanks for the compliment! I agree color coding would be a good idea on their part.
In the screw bag is a small post like screw with a flat head top. Put that inside the post of that clear piece and screw it into the router plate at about the 2o’clock position. It’s intended as a shield for routing without the fence.
On a side note, I see your user name, are you from Colorado?
I wonder if I’m older Dewalt DW610 will fit in this table
Doesn’t look like the 610 is compatible but double check page 15 of the manual below.
pdf.lowes.com/productdocuments/33317c1b-1aec-45b5-9eae-46caa8e591db/08063444.pdf
After 3 years did it perform well ?
Great question! And yes! I use it regularly and still love it. Only complaint is I wish the table was bigger but that wasn’t the point originally.
Will the Bosch table accommodate a router lift from kreg or woodpecker
Great question! I’m not sure. Here’s a link to the manual, page 15 has compatible routers with the base plate and I think it has dimensions as well.
pdf.lowes.com/productdocuments/33317c1b-1aec-45b5-9eae-46caa8e591db/08063444.pdf
Do you need buy router than router table, or you have everything in set?
If I interpreted your question correctly, it depends on what you’re looking to do. At a high level, this is just the table and the necessary parts to adjust it. However, it doesn’t include the Router. If you buy the Bosch 1617EVSPK (link below), it has a fixed base router body that can be used under the table really easily.
Regarding other accessories, you’ll need to buy your bits but that’s about it. I’d recommend a cheap variety pack first to see what you use most, then, when you need to replace them, get a nice Freud bit.
1617 EVSPK: amzn.to/49KJbSl
has it got a sturdy fence and over all build quality? you happy with it?
It does and I am! The only qualm I have is that the work area is pretty small. Though, I think the only way you can get around that is to build one of your own.
Did Bosch quit putting the elevation adjustment on these? They used to come with an Allen wrench with a T handle to run the router up and down.
Nope! It’s still there. It comes with the wrench but you’ll still need a router mount that has the bottom side adjustment. The fixed base in the Bosch 1617 EVSPK kit has that.
how is this router table compared to a gts10xc with a dado stack? great video man!
Great question and thanks! I don’t have that setup but if you’re only looking to cut dado’s a table saw is probably the way to go. This is more useful if you have other profiles you’d like to use like rounds, changers, etc.
Do you feel the red insert ring is too thin and the final surface is not flush enough?
I’ve gone back and forth. It’s certainly not flush but I don’t generally rely on it to datum my parts, just prevent them from falling in. Bosch certainly left room for improvement.
How do you manage dust collection?
There’s a 2-1/4” port on the back of the fence which works pretty well if you’re using the right size bit collar (the red plastic rings that reduce the gap around your bit). It does like to dump chips below the table if you don’t close that gap (not always possible), which is annoying, but, I’m planning to build something to add dust collection below as well.
Is there a router lift?
Sure is!
@@NorthwestCraftsman 👌
Do you know what the key holes are for in the miter slot in this table?
Great question! I think they’re for the feather boards that come with the table. But, I can imagine other attachments being compatible as well.
Good clean video.
Such an improvement on the 1171 I have
Awesome! For a user that hasn’t used the 1171, what are the biggest improvements?
Wish you would've mentioned detail on the miter slot & gauge.
Hey Jeffery! Sorry I didn’t touch more on this, did you have any specific questions regarding it?
@@NorthwestCraftsman no sir. I'm going another way. Bought a plate and some t track to just make my own set up. Good job on your video!
Thanks! I wish you luck!
Happy Woodworking!
Josh
Northwest Craftsman
Good video ! Just bought the table and hoping to buy the same router for the exact set up you have !
Anderson Jimmy exciting! 😄 I’m sure you’ll love them just like I do !
Nice set up, where did you get the router itself and what was the model number for the table and router ? thanks.
Thanks! I got both the table and router from Amazon. The links below have the model numbers and should get you there.
Router Kit, Bosch 1617EVSPK: amzn.to/2HE72Kk
Router Table, Bosch RA1181: amzn.to/37OY0W6
Thanks for sharing
I owned this Bosch table. I have one minor complaint and two major complaints about it. The minor complaint is that the cast and machined table surface isn't flat. It was warped, not severely but enough to be very annoying to me.
The first major complaint is that the insert is a non-standard size, so you can't use another vendor's router lift.
The second major complaint is with mounting a Bosch fixed base upside down to the insert plate. When you turn Bosch's MRF01 base, for example, upside down, the entire weight of the router motor is suspended by a single E-clip, a spring clip held in a groove on the height adjustment shaft. That clip eventually gave way and left the motor unsuspended for height adjustments. Most fixed router bases use a similar design such that they're great when used right-side-up, but they're unacceptably weak when used upside down. Combine that problem with the inability to use a third-party router lift, and you end up with an annoying and awkward router table.
Robert, thanks for your well thought out response. I can understand why the warped table leaves a sour taste, especially if you want to use your table for anything like jointing, makes it unusable.
I didn’t know that the router plate was a non standard size! Interesting and frustrating if you already have another router. I know it’s designed to work with the 1617EVS and the height adjustment included but I hadn’t thought about height adjustment with other brands. That’s a great point.
With regards to the mounting, are there not fasteners that attach your router to the router plate? The securement method I have and see on the plate is quite secure. I guess this assumes the default Bosch plate is used.
@@NorthwestCraftsman To be clear, other router motors fit into the Bosch router plate. It has several hole patterns so that you can use other motors. However, the plates of third-party router lift manufacturers won't fit into the tabletop.
Regarding the E-clip, I can speak only to the Bosch MRF01, the fixed base associated with the Bosch MRC23EVSK router system. Certainly, the fixed base is well secured to the insert plate. And, the main clamp of the base securely holds the motor in the base when routing. BUT, when the main clamp is loosened for height adjustment, the entire weight of the motor is suspended from the E-clip.
This is getting into the weeds, but you can see an illustration of the E-clip this way: Go to the Bosch website and search for MRF01. Go to the product page that describes the MRF01 and then scroll down under "SUPPORT". Click the "More information" button under "Search for Parts Diagram". Enter "MRF01" (without quotes) in the "Tool Model Number" window and click the Search button. Then click "View Parts Diagram". Item 21 is the height adjustment shaft. Item 23 rides on Item 21 and its tab locks into a groove on the motor; the tab supports the motor when the main clamp is loosed for height adjustment. Item 22 is the E-clip, what the Parts List calls "Retaining snap ring"; THIS supports Items 21 and 23 and, thus, the weight of the motor.
Interesting! I appreciate you taking time to lay that all out, that makes a lot of sense and does seem like a design flaw, or at least a weak point.
is this thing new? cannot find it anywhere in germany
I don’t think it’s new, I’m seeing reviews of it back in 2015. Maybe a distribution/supply issue? Or they may be flushing it for a new model. Good luck finding one!
Can i use any model of router on this table?? What model you use??
Just about! The router plate has a ton of configurations to match different models. I use the Bosch 1617 and purchased the EVSPK which comes with both the plunge and fixed base for the router spindle. Honestly it’s my favorite tool in the shop.
Here’s my video on it.
New Bosch 1617 Router | Unboxing EVSPK Fixed & Plunge Combo th-cam.com/video/06Xcl2aPA1c/w-d-xo.html
I’m thinking about mounting this table to a work bench without the plastics base, thoughts? Does this table have a router lift?
That’s actually a great idea to give you more space to work.
I don’t think it has a true lift, just access for the Bosch fixed base which as a bottom side adjustment.
@@NorthwestCraftsman I have a harbor freight Hercules plunge router that I want to add to a router table with a lift, any ideas? I have seen all of the router lift kits, but I want the slides and French to go with it without building
You could always get a lift kit and mount it to a square piece of Aluminum or ply that fits in the top for this table.
Awesome video. How can I remove a quarter on an inch wood out of a 5 by 3 inch piece of wood ? I appreciate your time. Thank you very much.
Thanks for the comment! Are you trying to remove it across the entire surface? Or just a specific area?
@@NorthwestCraftsman I like to remove it across the entire area in a commercial set up. Thank you for taking the time to respond
No problem! A planer is the tool I’d use but 3x5 is too short for most if not all planers which means you’ll either need to double sticky it down, or plane it before cutting them to 3x5 (this is the route I’d go).
What dust extraction you use?
Hey Steve! Currently I just use a shop vac hooked up to a dust deputy. You can find the links to all of the parts below:
Dust Collection Parts
Blue Barrel: amzn.to/3gKwfPS
Dust Deputy: amzn.to/2PJooq4
Hose, 2.5”: amzn.to/3gLeqAp
Hose, 2.5” Adapters: amzn.to/30MqFqJ
Can you use this table with the Makita RT0700CX2J router ?
Doesn’t look like it’s compatible with this particular Makita. Check out page 15 of the manual though to confirm.
RA1181 Manual
pdf.lowes.com/productdocuments/33317c1b-1aec-45b5-9eae-46caa8e591db/08063444.pdf
Is that a palm router that you installed, or a mid-size model? Will it even accommodate larger routers?
It’s a midsize model (2.25 horses) from this 1617EVSPK kit.
amzn.to/34aPK2V
Is the table work with Makita router?
Likely but check the owners manual linked below. They have a table on page 15 which details the compatible routers.
pdf.lowes.com/operatingguides/000346353679_oper.pdf
Is the table perfectly flat. And is the fence 90° to the table? This is important for a router table. You can make high fences, by removing the fence bolts and drill auxiliary fences to fit through the original fences. And bolt all fences together and lock down. This is why it should be 90°.
The table is flat within about 1/64” or less, checked that just a few days ago. I believe I also checked the fence for square but will double check tomorrow morning. In complete agreement that this is critical.
Hi NWC!
Thanks for the video. Very informative!
Some questions regarding the height adjustment feature of the fixed base when mounted to the router table:
1- Is it a good replacement of a router lift?
2- Is it accurate?
3- Is it easy to use?
Thanks for sharing.
Saludos from Mexico City.
¡Buenos dias mi amigo! Gracias por la pregunta.
Excellent questions. I would say it’s a great replacement for a router lift, it’s extremely accurate (I can easily move it within a few thousandths of an inch), and it’s very easy to use. Just make sure to undo the friction lock on your base before adjusting.
Tenga un buen dia!
Josh
Northwest Craftsman
@@NorthwestCraftsman muchas gracias por tu rápida respuesta Josh!
Buen fin de semana!
What’s the clearance below it . And can you use a larger router.. I.E porter cable 3.1/4 plunge and is the table set up for micro adjustment with a plunge . Thx any info will save me time much appreciated.
- Clearance is about 9” from bench top to the top of that window underneath.
- Not sure about the size of router, really depends on how big it is. I would imagine if Bosch has the router plate pattern for your router, it’ll work. No guarantees though.
- It is set up for micro adjustments from the table top and honestly that is one of my favorite features.
I would ask what Northwest Craftsman thinks about the use of the Bosch Above-Table Hex Key RA1165 with this table? Is it helpful? Is it worth it to purchase with the table? I appreciate the great video. Thank you for the excellent assembly review!
Glad you found it helpful Brian! I’m not sure of the product code you listed but the hex key that comes with this table, RA1181, is incredible. Easy to use and very precise. Just make sure to undo the friction lock on your spindle before adjusting.
Hi …Great video…So how is the Bosch router table holding up since you’ve purchased it? Is the fence great?
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful! It’s lasted great! Full disclosure, I am not a full time shop by any means so I haven’t worked it as hard as it could be, but for a weekend hobbyist, it’s been awesome!
@@NorthwestCraftsman Awesome! Thanks for the feed back…Have a great one
This is super helpful! Bought a router then quickly realized I needed a table (beginner), and I bought this one. Your video will be my go-to for set up, so thank you.
I was wondering the height of your workbench. I bought a Craftsman early on and - it sure is pretty but - it’s too high for this. I don’t want to make that mistake again.
What do you recommend for the height of the work bench for this, and how much space would you allow on either side, if it’s a stand alone piece?
Thanks in advance! Ashlynn
Hey Ashlynn! I’m glad you found it helpful! And no worries 😂 I’m right there with you. Always learning.
If you are making your own workbench, you can customize it to exactly your height. Generally speaking, the height of your work benches will range somewhere between your waist and rib cage. The lower the workbench, the more you are leaning over it, but the more power you can get as your muscling through things. The taller it is, the less power you get behind it, but the more ergonomic and close to your eyes it is for fine work.
For the router table I have mine at about my belly button. Ideally, you shouldn’t have to muscle anything across the router table, whatever bit you are using should easily cut. I may even opt to have it a little bit higher.
However, when you are building that workbench, make sure to take into account the height of the router table. Seems like a stupid reminder, but I make those kinds of mistakes all the time. 😂
@@NorthwestCraftsman thank you so much for your thorough response. And for the helpful tip at the end! That’s pretty critical, and knowing me, I would’ve spaced it. Thanks for the valuable information in the video and for the feedback.
Of course! Good luck and happy woodworking!
Is it compatible with different routers? I have 2 dewalt
Sure is! Here is the manual. Page 15 has all the compatible models.
pdf.lowes.com/productdocuments/33317c1b-1aec-45b5-9eae-46caa8e591db/08063444.pdf
@@NorthwestCraftsman thank you so much for the quick response! I found a brand new one for 80 online and wanted to make sure.
Nice find! And not a problem!
Happy woodworking!
Josh
Northwest Craftsman
@@NorthwestCraftsman new sub
Welcome to the community! 😄
sir. is this router brand available online order?
Sure is! Here are links to both the router and the table!
Router Kit, Bosch 1617EVSPK: amzn.to/2HE72Kk
Router Table, Bosch RA1181: amzn.to/37OY0W6
Thank you for doing this video. I'm looking at getting a router table for building a computer desk and this video eased some of my concerns on putting it together and using it.
Glad to hear it! It’s a great table and it plus the router are a total work horse. Send some photos of your desk when it’s done!
Liked and subscribed.
Welcome and thank you! Glad to have you as a part of the community!
do you have to remove the router to change the depth?
Nope! It has 2 course adjustments and a fine adjustment from the table top
@@NorthwestCraftsman thank you
Great👍
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
Does a router come with the table?
Unfortunately not. Here is the kit I purchased. amzn.to/36w8xqy
How long of a piece can you route on this? Would I be able to do 24-36" long dados/rabbets etc in plywood? What about for jointing a board?
That’s a great question! The table isn’t really limited on how long of a piece you can fit into it, your biggest limiter will be supporting the workpiece. For reference, I have tongue and groove jointed nearly an 8 foot board on this. Though, I had roller feed supports on the incoming and outgoing side. If you are looking to only support it with the table, 24 inches is probably fine but 36 inches starts to get a little bit dicey, depending on how heavy the work piece is.
For jointing a board, the same logic follows.
@@NorthwestCraftsman thanks so much! I already have the table but have been reluctant to set it up. I think I will build a shelf onto the side of my MFT workbench where I can use aluminum profile+dog holes as a longer fence. I'm guessing the feed side is the most important side to keep straight for stability and accuracy?
@ no problem! And that’s a great idea. I will likely be building this into another table or building a table of my own at some point as well. Just to give me more supported space.
Generally yes, the in-feed side is the most important.
Lol that wood was already cut LOL 😂
Partially! 😂 good catch though! It was only the first inch or so.
Thanks excellent video helped me decide to order one. It will be here this week. Don't think I could build one for much less than the selling price $199.00 shipped on Amazon
Congrats! Very exciting to have both of those on the way! I also couldn’t agree more about the price for a table. Given where I am in my woodworking career, I probably couldn’t make a table of this quality for that price.
Just put put.it together this morning. The instructions in the manual are very very good, just like you said. Your video really helped with cutting down the time it took to put it together took less than thirty minutes thanks to your video. I am now a subscriber to your channel.
@@rcboals welcome! We’re glad to have you as a part of the community! I’m also glad that this video helped you put your new table together. Hopefully you get a ton of good use out of it and can make some awesome projects!
Just got mine from amazon today. Great instructions...easy assembly!
@@kurtn8057 great!! Glad to hear it! Hope it serves you as well as mine has served me! 😄