T.33 Spider reveal plus Gordon Murray explains where supercars are heading next & it's not electric!
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- Gordon Murray give me a tour around the new V12 T.33 Spider and discusses what happens next at Gordon Murray Automotive and where he thinks the performance cars are heading in the future.
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I like how you didn’t give him a completely easy ride. And I like how he wasn’t offended. Nice work Harry! 👌
I'd be very interested to hear what Murray has to say about the e-fuel / synthetic fuels that are coming out of England and what Porsche are doing.
Agreed the francetti video was slightly boring. It felt more like an ad
@@PaulV3D they’re the future, my uncle works at Mercedes in Germany at one of the research centres. Mercedes have no plans whatsoever to continue with mainstream EV production after 2035. You can see on the public markets where the big boys are investing their own money and it’s sure as shit nothing to do with EV’s. I said about a decade ago synthetic fuels is the only way it can work because for the most part everything can stay the same
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I want that FBI guy on Wired to give us an analysis of their body language 😂
The fact that uncle Harry asked uncle Gordon if he allowed to sit in the car before sitting in it was just pure class
Noticed that the film didn't show you actually getting in the car. Judging by the angle of the open doors and even with the screen moved forward, I can imagine it wasn't easy?
We call it manners
Education is a very,very beautiful thing and Mr Harry had it in major proportions.
@@PeakTorque and it’s as simple as this
Always gotta be careful with one-off boutique super cars built to drum-up excitement & corporate funding....
Gordon Murray, Horacio Pagani, and Christian von Koenigsegg will surely go down in history among the shining heroes of automotive design and performance excellence. They are utterly devoted to producing the finest automobiles possible. Well done!
Pagani lost it's plot. lots of very questionable bespoke versions over the last few years. Zonda and early Huayra were peak Pagani.
Murray would be looked upon more favourably if he wasn't constantly overplaying his role in the development of the mp4/4
I hear that Enzo Ferrari guy was pretty good?
@@lukemallory7832 also W O Bentley, Henry Royce & Charles Rolls & Henry Ford , Colin Chapman, Soichiro Honda 👍
And Mate Rimac
Love the manual transmission, thin wheel and real hand brake. Those are things that should never disappear from a driver’s car.
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For real. I bought a Tesla for a daily driver and love it but if I'm splurging on a proper sports car it better damn well be a proper manual.
Electric hand brakes are horrible and it's always disappointing to see sports cars with them, I mean seriously?
If you're chasing time, paddle shifting is the optimal solution as of yet. You know it's true - or are there any professional race drivers asking for gear knobs? There's this cultish attitude about certain anachronisms, just like vinyl aficionados: data on plastic is MAGIC! And if you let the machine sync beats - or rotate your turntable at constant speed - you're a phony!1!
In this age of ‘over design’ I really like the understated elegance of these cars. And I MUST add I take my hat off to Gordon… a proper analog experience, dials, switches, manual gearbox… I’m not a massive supercar fan, but if my numbers came up… I think I might just order a Spider in blue❤
I really like this comment. Echoing my thoughts 👍
Gorgeous colour. Reminiscent of Estoril Blue- the best E36 M3 colour, except of course...
Techno Violet 😊
I love your chats with Gordon - there's just so much depth of engineering and thought in every part. Loved the 'don't film this bit Charlie…'
The GMA visits are by far my favorite. I could listen to Gordon talk forever.
@@meshies shame he's such a bullshitter, makes a lot of claims to other people's work... like MP4/4.
$2.35M, £1.8M for an unremarkable looking car inside and out. The package is purposely simple and light, but nothing outstanding. As for power, I'll take displacement and low end torque over 11,000 rpm any day. Wrong car, wrong price, GMA heading for GM-Administration.
@@stephenc6955 GMA could sell every single one they make three times over. The torque this V12 makes is enormous anyway, and the torque curve is astoundingly flat - and the torque to weight ratio is incredibly high. It would make absolute mincemeat of a 6.2 litre supercharged Corvette on any road or track. The fact that it is so light and so capable is what makes it such a compelling package. No, it's not cheap, but you get what you pay for.
@@stephenc6955 Don't buy one then?
The most striking thing about how Gordon Murray creates a car is that he mostly applies new technology into building and designing the car, rather than into the car itself. By which I mean the tech is about improving the fundamentals like low weight, chassis rigidity, engine sound -- it's not about throwing in techy features that are either irrelevant or anathema to the driving experience.
The one arguable exception is the fan on the T.50, but even that has a method behind the madness because it allowed him to make just enough downforce to forgo a bunch of ugly aero, yet not so much downforce that the car would be uncomfortably sprung.
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Fantastic point made there . He will use the latest pots and pans when creating his perfect dish , but will never _ever_ be caught serving 'impossible' meat or soybean meat substitutes . Heh . What a guy - thank God there is at least one of him out there still sticking to his guns and sticking to what has proven to be correct rather than getting swept away with silly fads , trinkets or this preposterous ideological near religious zealotry of 'progressive' battery only vehicles that draw power from coal plants , catch on fire on hot days when driven hard and take weeks to be extinguished and have their charging cables cut off and stolen by copper thieves .. lol .
The human zeitgeist does tend to go mad every once in a while with whatever the latest trend or fashion happens to be but always swings back into reality eventually . No doubt in the future we will be driving incredible hydrogen fuel cell powered V-12 works of engineering art with electric motor assist but only once technology has progressed enough to make sense to do so .. Unlike today . Today it is wasteful , at times even dangerous but _always_ mostly for fashion no different than wearing some enviro greeny logo on a T-Shirt .
Looking at these GMA cars really feels like 1999 again when the Zonda C12 was shown, you know it's just something absolutely special. The Spider is utterly gorgeous, I sincerely hope the buyers of these use them, and they're not just seen from time to time in front of an auctioneer. Please also get these works of art into some video games with proper engine sounds so the rest of us can 'drive' one too. Thanks, Harry, for another great video, and thanks to Charlie for the camera work getting different angles of the car while Harry and Gordon were discussing the cars. 👍👍👍
Yeah the Zonda C12 and C12s were more pure and aesthetic than the F and variants that came after. Something about the early Zondas just appeal to me more in pure design. I still think the Zonda F and Cinque are striking and amazing in their own right but I just prefer the elegance and shape of the early Zondas.
Pure class when it comes to automotive TH-cam. ❤ And Gordon Murray is a great individual too !
Total opposite end of the automotive content spectrum that is largely c9mprised of vacuous, unintelligent drivel. These guys are indeed pure class, and it’s great that we have this medium to gain this kind of access, people could only dream about not that long ago! Long may it continue!
Gordon Murray is a legend!!! 2.8kg heavier handbrake out the window plus "I love manual handbrakes"! We do too my friend we do too!!
I LOOOOOOVED Gordon talking about car stuff in his calm, sensible manner.
Gordon is such a purist and a true icon. Much Respect to him, for sticking with things the world has abandoned.
Another quality video, no one can ever accuse Gordon of not knowing his product inside out,he’s literally involved in every aspect which is what made the F1 so special,absolutely focused on the job in hand
The T33 Spyder is stunning. There's a bit of F1, a bit of Carrera GT, a bit of Spyker, and a bit of older Ferrari and it all works together magically. Well done Gordon, you've still got it!
Seriously? It looks dated and bland. Way better looking cars on the road at a fraction of the price.
Just checked the price. Insane money.
@@markgilbertson1564 dude created the f1 Mclaren
You don’t know anything about being dated or bland
His Designs are literally legendary.
Ahead of his time
@@markgilbertson1564 what part of the t33 looks dated , it just looks simple it's not over styled.
Lol😂 no man. It looks like a lotus/toyota mr2. Its actually SHOCKING this car isnt being sold for 60k which is what its worth.
Gordon Murray = relentless pursuit of purist perfection. He is like the high watermark in the automotive world.
I'm surprised no one has piped up to say that was the Lexus slogan. As long as they don't use it in advertising, Lexus might be ok and IP rights may not have been renewed
@@frankchan5547 You are right, for G.M. meanwhile the 'purist' part is the key bit
And...Gordon Murray is almost 77 years old !!!! Unbelievable to have such fantastic projects in this period of life. What a hero...
My two heroes together. Two old money aesthetics kind of gentleman having conversation about cars and driving perfection is overwhelming. The way they speak and vocabulary is amazing and they both have such soothing voice
For some reason the luggage get's me the most excited. I love the idea of a super car you can actually use.
As soon as Gordan said "60 degree V12 is the most pure engine you can build" I gave this video a like!
Great seeing you Harry 👍
I can watch these two gentlemen for hours…
So much information and learning…
That is a cracking looking car. Nice to see cars can still look modern without looking over-done.
It bloody well should be for the ridiculous price being asked. Utterly ludicrous.
@@bugattieb110ss yeah I’m glad I was sitting down when they mentioned the price. Wow
@@bugattieb110ssit can’t be that ridiculous when the whole production run is sold out plus an overspill waiting list. He probably could have asked even more!
@bugattieb110ss how much profit are they making per vehicle sold?
@@bugattieb110ss that's the cost of such a small production run with a car with no money spared in development
Utterly amazing! Gordon Murray is remarkable. His cars are as close to perfection as is possible. Thank you Harry, yet another excellent film!
i am so happy this man has the willpower and the financial backing to make these, a manual supercar thank you Gordon! and thank you Harry for showing us this detailed and personal tour of the car.
The most amazing thing was Harry's jaw not hitting the floor when Gordon told him the price! 💰💰💰
I actually gasped out loud lol
At that price most of these will go into private collections and never turn a wheel again.
@@markgilbertson1564 at that price Gordon is going to be rubbing his hands together 🤑🤑🤑
@@iancampbell2295 na I don't think the profit margin will be as high as you would think
@@yota8325 ???? Are you kidding, he's making over a million on each car , that's the point.
It's rare to see harry completely speechless. What a masterpiece of a car.
It's a really beautiful Elise.
@@maxmeier532 With a V12 !
When was he speechless though? Did you watch the same video?
@@mattmorris2867 lol there was a moment when he just looked stunned when Gordon was talking about the airflow and downforce; brief but definitely had him speechless
Masterpiece? try opening the door in the garage!
Out of all the motoring journalists Gordon has met with for T33 spider reveal, you can tell he enjoys talking with Harry the most!
Gordon has such a lot of respect for you Harry, other TH-camrs don't ask questions like you do and Mr Murray can be a bit lofty at times....... which can make for painful viewing, but you sir are the master.
Outstanding viewing. I could have watched another hour or more. T33 looks tiny, and fantastic in that shade of blue. It makes that new Lambo look ridiculous and I love Lambo's. This stuff is on another level though. How is it only Gordon Murray seems to be able to keep the weight down. The competition are all sitting at around 1500-1700kg's and these are under 1000... What an achievement. Brilliant.
These are also 6+ times the price plus they’re not in production yet, so we shall see about the weight. Hope some magazine will put them on the scales (:
Why didn’t you do an electric handbrake? Because it weighs 2.8kg! If light weight is a priority, it’s a priority😂
It's even funnier when you consider the Valkyrie is about 200-300kg heavier than the T50. That car is so naked it barely has bodywork on it, how on earth the car designed as an F1-on-the-road is so much heavier than the car that wasn't?? That's bonkers! And Gordon said being in F1 taught you a lot about packaging, so what on earth is Adrian Neweyy doing? The Valkyrie looks so needlessly unusable on the road in comparison now hahah
@@orihalchon when he was talking about 6-7 litre v12s being cumbersome I heard a little snub toward AM. 😄
@@orihalchonit'd be a tough choice but I'd still take the Valkyrie though
By far the best automotive info around Harry👍. So informative and just the right tone. No hyping, screaming and that kind of stuff. But just passion for beautiful cars
I could sense a chemistry between these guys and it is lovely
Murray gives such high praise to his daily; the Alpine A110, even as far as using it to benchmark his new creations. Probably the closest most of us can get to actually owning a GMA car. I remember him saying the only missing would be a proper manual. Too bad Alpine isn’t sold in the US
Basically buy a Lotus...
@@CarDaddy24 Evora 400 - best solution if you do not have access to A110 - own both - pretty different cars while A110 is much more modern
Costs have increased hugely.
Lovely car, Gordon is such a classy Gentleman. His easy going level headed nature is great to see and hear. Harry didn't give him an easy ride but all questions were answered.
That V12 is sublime.
he said in a different interview the cost material have gone up 40% since the last one so makes sense
I can't imagine how sublime these cars are to drive
Nice to see the Corvette waterfall in a Gordon Murray design. One day I will own one of these cars!
Non car people would fall asleep to this. Car people are hanging on their every word. No BS, no talk of emotions, just 2 legends chatting about supercars! Love it!
The only Review we need, cheers Harry
I love how calm yet passionate Gordon Murray always is. Shame that Yamaha sports car couldn't get built! Even at a higher price point, it would be wonderful!
It really truly is SUCH a shame. To apply this philosophy to a car that a normal person could afford would be a true service to all who are driving fans. It would be a noble goal.
Mr Murray, brilliant living legend.
Absolute works of art. The 33 is even prettier than the 50. Can't wait for the first roadtest...
I agree. T50 is aggressive and more technical but T33 is elegant and class. None of the current breed of hyper/super cars are this classy. Something about this T33 spider harking back to 60's sports cars.
That's pretty! Well if that new type of making fuel takes off, we may get many many more! Always great hearing it from the man himself!
Fantastic energy between you too! This is the first time we have seen the Niki Lauda in the flesh. I can only imagine the amount of effort it must have been for Gordon to present all 4 cars in such a short amount of time! Great content, Harry!
Nice to be involved. Gentlemen,both.
That shot of Dario hooning it around Silverstone, trying not to grin, is classic.
Always a fascinating event listening to you both chatting like this… it never feels like an ‘interview’ just two knowledgeable friends chatting 👍
Just what the doctor ordered on a Tuesday afternoon, thanks Harry!
It is noticeable that you don't ask all the same questions as others do in these sorts of 'product' review, which to me makes your videos far more interesting to watch. nice work Sir. . . . . there cannot be many that would openly say to GM "i looked at the windscreen, and thought that looks a bit tight"
It's incredible how beautiful and elegant these cars are.
The T33 has the happiest looking front end of any car I've seen.
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Have you ever wondered who makes the TOP quality content on YT... Well, here it is.... Harry + Gordon = Priceless !!!!
I know Jay Leno is watching these with his mouth watering, can’t wait till they get to his garage for a chat and drive! Hopefully Gordon as well, it would be great to see the two of them in the Rocket zipping around ❤️
I could listen to Harry and Gordon chatting for hours. Cracking video.
Gordon's compliments on the Alpine A110 may give some hope to buy a good driver car for people with noninsane amount of money.
Magnificent.
I've watched all the recent videos on the T.33 Spider that I saw in my search results and this one was the most informative. Very good questions!
heartwarming to see innovative British design and manufacturing .... more PLEASE
Love these reviews with GM. He is so open and honest.
It's a very understated car, and TINY! But it's got a real clean look, and I actually like the T33's fenders a bit more than the T50's.
I watched multiple vloggers postings’ on the same car, the technicalities and details Gordon share with Harry are at very different level… A huge testimony on the subject matter expertise of Harry, and the respect Gordon is exhibiting towards him ❤
Gordon must love showing a car to Harry. I'm a life-long car nut but I couldn't bring the appreciation he does.
There’s only one YT Channel to watch when Gordon has a new car update! 👏👏👏👏 #simplythebest
Absolutely superb automotive intellect, Im a huge fan of Mr Murray. The designs are so delicate and hark back back to the heyday of design with the added benefit of modern safety and low weight. Stunning!
The T.33 Spyder is one of, if not THE most beautiful exotic supercars ever created. Every line, every angle is pure bliss. I had lost my affinity for Murray's cars after seeing the hideous T.50, but this piece of art has shown me the light. Absolutely magnificent.
This Spider is by far the prettiest of the GMA designs, to date. Beautiful car with a lovely balance to the lines. In contrast, the headlights on the T.50 are huge and verging on the ugly.
That's not the only ugly thing on the T.50
Awesome Harry, great to listen to Gordon Murray explain the engineering behind the development of his cars. Fascinating insight to the future direction of the automobile industry.
Seeing all 4 Gordon Murray masterpieces together like that is something special. And this is hands down the best video on T33 spider 👏👏👏
There are few engineers and designers who can tell a story like Gordon. Truly enjoyable
Listening to you two dissect Gordon’s latest creation just soothes my soul…..had a grin the entire time. Great video as always Harry, thanks.
It's wonderful. Just passion and compassion and civilization. This is what life should be like everywhere
The t33 Spyder might be the best looking of the group. Echoes of 60's Alfa, Abarth, De Tomaso , and maybe even the recent Dallara. Small, simple, unfussy. Very classy.
What a stunning thing this. This design will age beautifully like fine wine. Clean, sinuous lines. Just epic!
I dont do comments very often, but this is got to be one of the best car videos EVER. It so good on so many levels.
THANK you so much. absolutely fascinating. So refreshing as well to see a supercar with some beautiful curves and an absence of unnecessary flicks, vents and holes!
I actually like how it looks a bit stealthy. The car looks like something Lotus might have made, and might cost $120-150k... as opposed to millions.
Well Gordon says his standard for the best riding and handling cars were the Lotus Evora and the Alpine A110. The Evora and now the Emira are bargain supercars in every way. The Alpine is good too but it's a 4-cylinder.
Yes Lotus....
Yes… and it wouldnt have an 11000 rpm 600 hp v12, also the lotus emira for 80k weighs 1000lbs more with a lighter v6 engine, thats why it costs millions.
Think you'll find his Lotus Elan from the 1960s left a very lasting impression on him
Gordon needs the big ticket price to cover his start up expenses. And like many things these days, the higher the price the higher the demand.
I feel like later this year we'll get a 1000mile test review of this from Harry around some amazing Italian roads, yet another brilliant video Harry thank you
Even Harry would be giddy at that prospect
@@visionist7 yes he definitely would be, can see it parked up in his garage though with a map on the back telling us where he is going
T.33 is science and art in complete harmony. It's just stunningly pretty.
Its refreshing to hear Gordon speak about cars. He really knows his stuff and isnt just another wealthy self indulgent bloke who wants a car with his name on it. He has really nailed it and the Spyder is a beautifully thought out and engineered car. Regrettably l will probably never get to drive one, but it's nice just knowing it exists.
I love both, but don’t like the T-50 as much. Too F1 like and don’t like the fan. I love the T-33 1960’s-ish vibe. If I was stupid rich, would love to have this driver’s car and put a ton of miles on it. It’s made for driving, not sitting in a museum.
Haha this is the first time I have heard being too f1-ish as a negative.
I wish Ferrari’s looked like this with the 60’s inspired lights
Really enjoyed that video, thanks a lot. I am going to save up for a second hand Alpine A110 to get a feel of the 1.89 spirit. He comes across really well, great interview. Cheers.
It's a rare thing - knowing how to speck a super car and make it look gorgeous!
Good to see cold weather testing - hopefully no issues with snow build up on the wheels that rips the brake pipes/cables off??? ?
(TBF we all realise it isn't a Ford Fiesta that needs to behave perfectly in all environments.)
A lot of people are in awe of Gordon and go easy and nice on him. But this is a talk of two gents on a same level, with a certain mutual respect. Much better than most other channels.
Harry, you showed Great Restraint from kicking the T.50 tires at 2:26. I would have for sure done it ;-)
Stunning. I'll have matching F1, T50, T33 and T33 Spider in gun metal grey.
in 1:18 scale 😁
@@AndrasMihalyi 1:12, 1:18, 1:24 or 1:43 ..... all fine ....
Pure art, these will never lose value. We need more Gordons (and more Harrys!).
What a pleasure to here Gordon speak about these cars a purist no glitz and glamour just car .Roll on the summer then 👌
I would love to hear about the finances behind setting this sort of operation up!
Another great video. Thanks Harry.... that T33 looks even better than the T50 to my eyes..
T50 is impressive but not really pretty.
T33 is a truly beautiful car. Like supercars were in the 60's and 70's.
Always a joy to hear what Gordon is saying and thinking! The new car is simply gorgeous.
I have been following these 2 gentlemen for years now. Absolutely fantastic coverage!
The big problem I see is going full drivers focus and then making limited production $1milion+ cars that wont get driven outside of his and the press cars. like he said they need to team up with an automaker to team up with an automaker to get an actual production car going. I would love to say Alfa Romeo since they dont have a sports car atm but Ferrari would say no. Maybe Jaguar would be a good option since the F type is getting old
This kind of legislation will just lead to driving becoming more and more of a luxury and not something the average person can even enjoy. Different rules for those wealthy and those not; as usual.
I actually gasped out loud when Gordon said the price - that’s so sad in a way , they are really out of the realm of so many it’s certain never to be seen by many
I suspect that the prices are inflated due to it being designed by him & the fact the F1 now commands so much money, as well as other exotics.
That's the big carrot dangling in front of prospective owners/investors, thinking it will mirror the F1's sky high residuals, so he's using that to his advantage & getting his cut up front!
A lot of manufacturers seem to be getting on the bandwagon of over inflated prices due to investors in cars & not true enthusiasts so I don't blame him but agree with you.
It's such a shame as hardly any of these overpriced exotics are actually driven regularly. And by driving them regularly they then become a poorer investment thus are pretty much forced into being garage queens from day one due to that dangling carrot. Only a few owners couldn't care less about the money & use them, which I applaud.
If you've got the money to be able to buy them, then drive the damn things I say. You can't take any of it with you when you kick the bucket.
@@yips_way in the video he says that federalizing alone costs 28 million. The costs are insane, the man is not going to make 15 million out of these
He wants them to be driven. He's got a competition going that customers who have the highest mileage will win some sort of annual prize
@@comeberza yep I don't think most people realize the cost of creating a car like this. Especially when only 100 units are to be sold
Both of you do a wonderful interview, the flow and details are fantastic 🤌🏼 cheers
2 motor industry power houses coming together. Good stuff Harry and well done Gordon.
Gordon "other manufacturers do this, and I don't like that" Murray
That T50 is a dream car apart from the ultimate F1
such clean lines and simple shapes, the good old days are back
It's 3am in Australia, just watched the reveal, now get to see Harry as well. Two masters chatting away, what a way to start a new day.
Spyder looks absolutely stunning, wasn't convinced fully on the coupe but one of these is now a contender on the dream car list
Not too keen on open top motoring but I'd go fora T33 over a T50 I think. Still get that incredible Cosworth engine.
Well the T33 is available as a coupe, so no compromises needed.
@@pirkkaruuska5766 is it, or all sold out already ?
@@pirkkaruuska5766 oh, absolutely. I've seen the coupe. I think without the fan it's a prettier car.
@@Outland9000 the fan is plain ugly to me, this is elegant, pleasant to look at.
Gordon Murray is an inspirational figure. Hearing him talk about every part of the car in such detail is fabulous.
Amazing conversation by two legends.