Just to clarify at 15:19 ; The Italy "Brazil" AMX actually doesn't have the vulcan. Since it's an export model there were restrictions that resulted in the export AMX Vulcan being replacing with 2 "30mm DEFA 554 Cannon".
I’ve never had an issue with the Draken’s flare count. My thing with it is to never bring chaff. While yes that does make you more vulnerable to radar missiles, you don’t see that many. Generally when I do run out of flares I wasn’t playing as carefully as I should but I’ve always been able to disengage from fights but maybe I’m just lucky
J 7 d should be its own tier, that thing is way better than f5c imo. Also kfir is a strike aircraft and insanly fast for its br, you can dump bombs on a base and go doghfight. Lasly mig 21 lazur is really decent now thats 11.0 . Dont think gajin can put it down ever cince it has all aspects missiles and fight can reliability see flares planes.
16:30 it get's AIM-9Ps, not AIM-9L's. B tier way too generous for this, defeating a missile via maneuverability is really not an option here, you have a very small amount of CM, and it just isn't good for 11.3. You fight 30+g all-aspect missiles which are much faster than you, so that speed doesn't really matter, while you arae stuck with 20g rear-aspect IR missiles and some mediocre SARH ones.
The SU39 is underrated and a Great plane with its r73 and the premium F4 Phantoms (US and UK ) should be 11.7 the mig 23 ml is 11.7 and outperforms them with Speed acceleration and maneuverability and has all aspect ir missiles for close range
Yeah i do feel the phantoms are a pretty high br of 12.0. And i see what u say about the su39, people have been telling me they arent too shabby with the r73
Yeah I agree with that, I bought the Japanese phantom half price sometime this year and I always seem to be the last one to get to a base with the tornados being the first ones there. It’s honestly confusing as to why he put the f4ej in B but the tornado in F.
Imagine if Gajin would be honest with them selfs and gave the F-4J UK and FGR.2 their proper missile of Aim-9L, it would be nice, still wouldn't make those planes broken, but at least fair to fight against 12.7/13.0 Planes.
I'd remember actually that I asked a not long time ago on WT Stream with Oxy about chances to get 9Ls on British fellas, and his reply to it was something like; I can't say much but I Imagine so. Well yeah it dosen't mean anything but yep still warm up my hearth that it wasn't blank answer of No at this moment we are not thinking about it.
The kifir canard is my most played plane in warthunder. I agree with everything you said about it but the RWR hinders it. This is because is can’t detect mig 23s which you see in 90 percent of match’s. So you have to avoid mig 23s like the plague and stay in multi path height most of the time but if you play it like a rat it can work. It used to be pain to play in tomcat spam but now it is fun! Great video!
Yeah, I agree, kfir being at 11.0 is relativley high in br, so going against the mig23s and other higher tier planes is pretty common. But still great plane
As a Su-39 user is not that bad all matches I end up on 3 place bc of 2 free kills with the r-73 the easiest kills are the f-4 and the tornados + no one expects You to be good with the su-39 it's easy to win a dogfight with it aganist the f-4s My only complain Will be that it is too slow
The Bison is S tier for me, as an average player I'm 281-117 K/D. I had a lot of flight time in Mig-21s before which helped for sure, but really its about farming the other premium players lmao. People don't know how to defeat the R73 at 12.3, and your fox-1s are sufficient when you stay low and take jousts (that level 30 premium players don't know how to fight.) This BR bracket is a blessing and a curse as its great for grinding but the gameplay suffers with the pure amount of noobs who bought their way to the top.
i personally have a very good kill death ratio on the a6. the missiles are good and the turn rate is also good at slow speeds with flaps extended. at the br i have fought every plane and know how to win against every plane so for me thats the best premium
Yeah, i can see the a6e being workable, along with a decent br, good missles, and good gun. Its just I feel like there are more efficient and consistent grinders like the f5c.
@@Aldairruby2001well obviously for someone like you with prior experience it’s great and ez all fun and games. but for someone who just got his first jet with missiles and decided to buy it instead of grind up the tech tree past the early jets, it’s gonna suck ass
F-20a is a slightly worse f-16. I win in dogfights against f-16's often and its flight preformance dogs on mig-29 and su-27. When i was in my su-27 or mig-29 i only saw the f-20 players as less of a threat f-20 cuz alot of braindead lvl 5's fly them
Why would you buy this trash, literally tech tree copypaste but with half the amount of flares. Su 39 at least has radar, so it's better than tech tree variant, at least in something.
Well first off mig23ml is 11.7 but it is still very strong, run the r24r and y will get at least 2 kills a game. IMO go for the mig23 over the bison cuz it’s more easy to play and overall better in almost every aspect. It has better flight performance, more missiles and is at a better br plus arguably higher win rate.
@@AceOfThunderYT terrible sparrows that miss half the time, sidewinders that are easily flareable and a shitty radar that constantly loses lock unless the enemy flies towards you
Note: I am open to criticism and looking back on the list i made a mistake putting the draken lower than the f4ej, sorry guys
Just to clarify at 15:19 ; The Italy "Brazil" AMX actually doesn't have the vulcan. Since it's an export model there were restrictions that resulted in the export AMX Vulcan being replacing with 2 "30mm DEFA 554 Cannon".
Yeah i realized that too after i recorded, thanks tho
The F-20 doesn't "basically" have an F-16 engine in it. Jt has the engine of the F/A-18 legacy hornet in it.
Ah ok thx for the correction
I’ve never had an issue with the Draken’s flare count. My thing with it is to never bring chaff. While yes that does make you more vulnerable to radar missiles, you don’t see that many. Generally when I do run out of flares I wasn’t playing as carefully as I should but I’ve always been able to disengage from fights but maybe I’m just lucky
Flare count is still a disadvantage but I do agree, a lot of people recoil when they see low flares but realistically it’s not that bad
@ yeah especially at 10.7 where a lot of IR missiles can be single flared
J 7 d should be its own tier, that thing is way better than f5c imo. Also kfir is a strike aircraft and insanly fast for its br, you can dump bombs on a base and go doghfight. Lasly mig 21 lazur is really decent now thats 11.0 . Dont think gajin can put it down ever cince it has all aspects missiles and fight can reliability see flares planes.
Yeah i feel like i could have put the 21 lazur M higher cuz i havent flown a mig21 bis in a while, espically after br changes
Yeah kfir is bs it should have 4 missiles
16:30 it get's AIM-9Ps, not AIM-9L's. B tier way too generous for this, defeating a missile via maneuverability is really not an option here, you have a very small amount of CM, and it just isn't good for 11.3. You fight 30+g all-aspect missiles which are much faster than you, so that speed doesn't really matter, while you arae stuck with 20g rear-aspect IR missiles and some mediocre SARH ones.
Oh, thats my bad. If it has aim9ps it would definitkey be C tier or lower
The SU39 is underrated and a Great plane with its r73 and the premium F4 Phantoms (US and UK ) should be 11.7 the mig 23 ml is 11.7 and outperforms them with Speed acceleration and maneuverability and has all aspect ir missiles for close range
Yeah i do feel the phantoms are a pretty high br of 12.0. And i see what u say about the su39, people have been telling me they arent too shabby with the r73
For cas yes
For air rb too definitely a good plane. Though 25BM is better because it's lower BR.
Nah lmfao, the f4 phantoms with hmd's should not be 11.7
HMD + AIM7F @ 11.7? No way buddy.
i think the tornado is really good for grinding bc u can bomb 2 bases and ur faster than most guys and its really consistent
Yeah I agree with that, I bought the Japanese phantom half price sometime this year and I always seem to be the last one to get to a base with the tornados being the first ones there. It’s honestly confusing as to why he put the f4ej in B but the tornado in F.
Imagine if Gajin would be honest with them selfs and gave the F-4J UK and FGR.2 their proper missile of Aim-9L, it would be nice, still wouldn't make those planes broken, but at least fair to fight against 12.7/13.0 Planes.
Yeah it would make them more bearable to fly
I'd remember actually that I asked a not long time ago on WT Stream with Oxy about chances to get 9Ls on British fellas, and his reply to it was something like; I can't say much but I Imagine so. Well yeah it dosen't mean anything but yep still warm up my hearth that it wasn't blank answer of No at this moment we are not thinking about it.
The kifir canard is my most played plane in warthunder. I agree with everything you said about it but the RWR hinders it. This is because is can’t detect mig 23s which you see in 90 percent of match’s. So you have to avoid mig 23s like the plague and stay in multi path height most of the time but if you play it like a rat it can work. It used to be pain to play in tomcat spam but now it is fun! Great video!
Yeah, I agree, kfir being at 11.0 is relativley high in br, so going against the mig23s and other higher tier planes is pretty common. But still great plane
Its my 2nd behind 4fs it’s over brd tbh compared to the Chinese premium with 4 decent missiles
@@AceOfThunderYTit’s a pain fighting radar missiles
Same thing for the f4ej it has rwr but cant detect j band waves from mig23 radar so its rwr is useless
Good vid! Just liked and subbed!
Thx, I appreciate it
The F104S TAF from ita. dosent have Aim9Ls, it can carry only Aim9Bs and Aim9Ps
Yeah I realized too mb
As a Su-39 user is not that bad all matches I end up on 3 place bc of 2 free kills with the r-73 the easiest kills are the f-4 and the tornados + no one expects You to be good with the su-39 it's easy to win a dogfight with it aganist the f-4s My only complain Will be that it is too slow
Interesting, I guess the r73 could get u kills but imo the mig23 is more consistent grinder
@@AceOfThunderYT agree the su-39 is good but I did suffer alot I only bought it bc it was on 60% discount but I would recomend the MIG-23
I Even killed people with the Vikhr missiles in dog fights
The Bison is S tier for me, as an average player I'm 281-117 K/D. I had a lot of flight time in Mig-21s before which helped for sure, but really its about farming the other premium players lmao. People don't know how to defeat the R73 at 12.3, and your fox-1s are sufficient when you stay low and take jousts (that level 30 premium players don't know how to fight.) This BR bracket is a blessing and a curse as its great for grinding but the gameplay suffers with the pure amount of noobs who bought their way to the top.
Yeah I agree, for a player who knows what they are doing, they can make it work. But the 21 bison isnt the most beginner friendly premium
What do y’all consider top tier? In my opinion top tier is max br and one step below so right now 14.0 to 13.0
So lower the br?
@ Nono I didn’t mean it like that I meant everybody seems to have a different definition of “top tier”
If you ask me max br needs to go up still
Ah for me it’s 13.3-14.0 cuz 13.0 never gets games with full 14.0 jets
@@AceOfThunderYT yeah that’s fair too
1 rank below max to max
i personally have a very good kill death ratio on the a6. the missiles are good and the turn rate is also good at slow speeds with flaps extended. at the br i have fought every plane and know how to win against every plane so for me thats the best premium
Yeah, i can see the a6e being workable, along with a decent br, good missles, and good gun. Its just I feel like there are more efficient and consistent grinders like the f5c.
@ i had 3 kills at least w this thing every game. i marched through the tech tree like nothing happened
OMG, how do you have less subs than me? I only S**Tpost while you actually try
the pl7 are copy paste magic 1 and are not all aspect. although that doesn't mean the j7d is bad. still an amazing plane.
In my opinion u cannot compare fighters with striker aircrafts. They have diferent purposes.
The UK and US F4 Phantoms is not that different, bro put the US in S rank and UK in C tier. Bias much?
It should have been B tier for the F4juk but still it has comparably worse missiles for 12.0 and worse flight model
@ Yea the plane is ass but not that much worde than the US and putting the US in S tier is questionable. But it’s your list so your choose
Lol this guy thinks the f5c is not a slow turd with wings and shit missiles, and the j7-d has all aspect pl-7's. There's so much wrong with this list.
ok bro
im playing good worth F-20
Tier A
It can defiantly be tier A but for your average player it can be difficult to learn
@@AceOfThunderYT same br12.7 be like F-16A and Mig-29
2x BLU base target
2x aim-7f great
@@Aldairruby2001well obviously for someone like you with prior experience it’s great and ez all fun and games. but for someone who just got his first jet with missiles and decided to buy it instead of grind up the tech tree past the early jets, it’s gonna suck ass
PL7s are not all aspect, they’re copy paste magic 1s
Ah my bad, i think i got them confused with the pl5b. Thanks for the correction
F-20a is a slightly worse f-16. I win in dogfights against f-16's often and its flight preformance dogs on mig-29 and su-27. When i was in my su-27 or mig-29 i only saw the f-20 players as less of a threat f-20 cuz alot of braindead lvl 5's fly them
Yeah f20a isn’t very beginner friendly. U can make it work but I still feel like G5’s more consistent
Wdym Saab draken is an c😥
I think now it would be a low b, due to the 6 missles, but before it got moved down in br it was prbably a C.
where is su25k
well its 10.3 so not top tier and its rank 6
Why would you buy this trash, literally tech tree copypaste but with half the amount of flares. Su 39 at least has radar, so it's better than tech tree variant, at least in something.
mig 21bison at b ?
Yeah it should have been, I did not account for the br changes mb
Is mig23ml really good for 11.0? Planning on buying it or getting the Bison
Well first off mig23ml is 11.7 but it is still very strong, run the r24r and y will get at least 2 kills a game. IMO go for the mig23 over the bison cuz it’s more easy to play and overall better in almost every aspect. It has better flight performance, more missiles and is at a better br plus arguably higher win rate.
@ yeah I was on GRB mode my bad. Thanks man!
Its ok i just don't know why it was put on S tier after the nerfs
@@souptime288 it’s still very strong u should try it if u haven’t
@@AceOfThunderYT i have and to be honest i would put the m21 lazur above it for it's better br, i personally love it and hate seeing it so low 😭
the F4 is a terrible premium, you constantly face F14s that outperform you in literally everyway
Eh in flight performance maybe but u can definitely get things done with ur missles
@@AceOfThunderYT terrible sparrows that miss half the time, sidewinders that are easily flareable and a shitty radar that constantly loses lock unless the enemy flies towards you
@@gertaro Come on man its not that bad
All i can say is skill issue its the easiest to fly hands down@@gertaro
@@testpilot. swear on your mom
Drops bombs: S-tier. Sees radar missiles in game: F-tier. Simple!
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