Evil creates evil, which in turn creates still more evil in retribution. An unending cycle of violence, hate, and revenge. Even Hornsent seems to have realized this, considering how he clings to Miquella to "redeem" his clan.
Hornsent is how the revenge plot should be handled. A lot of games try and fail to properly show the effects of revenge, but Hornsent correctly shows the effects of either succeeding or failing.
It’s so sad that Hornsent was absorbed by his revenge. He had an understandable goal that some tarnished might resonate with, but in the end vengeance only results in tragedy.
Revenge is his sole purpose of exiating. If we take that away from him, he loses his purpose. That's why he would be so easily manipulated into joining Leda.
This does assume all hornsent were onboard with these religious practices. He does call his own people "rueful," so it's possible he saw them as wrong in their persecution of the shamans
By far my Favorite npc in ledas group, you can’t really hate em for what he becomes all he wanted was vengeance for his clan/wife and kid/ wish there was a way to bring him to our side during the final showdown
@@moshiriqSTG said he BELIEVES he is a blacksmith because of the weapon description and that he only wears the mask for the side benefits it is supposed to give. I disagree, the mask description directly says that it was worn specifically by the potentates performing the ritual at bonny village. So if hornsent has it, then he was probably one of the potentates. STG even asks at the end if we think this is the case over his theory and I believe it is, especially given how we are shown how bloodthirsty hornsent really is after killing messmer.
In my first play through, 🤔 Hornsent Grandam said ‘vessel of the sacred beast have my son accompany thee to war’ so I thought hornsent’s family didn’t die but sent him off to avenge their burnt tower. Helping Leda to beat him simply made him a failure so he could go back to his family. 😅
It’s hard to feel bad for the people that started this whole situation in the first place. If they hadn’t subjugated the shamans then marika would never have needed to seek revenge on them. Then the mockery of calling their subjugation sainthood is just twisted
To be fair Marika isnt much better she left her son to wage a war on her behalf had two of her omen children thrown into a sewers that are known for dehorning omens
Awesome video! Hornsent was already one of my favorite new npcs but these ideas made me love him even more he’s almost like a horned Batman becoming a symbol for his people while mostly being motivated by the loss of his family. Also my mind was blown when you suggested he could be a blacksmith because not only is this literally the first time I’ve ever heard anyone suggest he was anything other than a potentate because of the mask, but your suggestion actually makes so much more sense in hindsight especially considering the falx item description mentioned he FORGED them himself and only started wielding them after the crusade (Awesome find btw I can’t believe I never put that together myself). If he was a potentate before then why not just use the giant cleaver he should already own to get vengeance? It seems very much like a Miyazaki thing to do in hindsight to misdirect the players into really stereotyping this tragic npc because he happens to be wearing armor linking him to a faction the player will definitely hate(it’s entirely possible he put his outfit together from scraps he scavenged off his people if he truly lost EVERYTHING in the fires including his clothes). He might still have been one ultimately and we’ll never know but thanks for sharing actual new ideas to consider, again great video !
I normally don't like it when NPC's can't be saved, but it suits Hornsent as a character due to him being obsessed with vengeance. Leda's character is much the same, both being driven by bloodthirst. Living for revenge can really only end with death and a cycle of even more revenge. If anything, the best outcome is us denying Hornsent his vengeance. He and Leda go on to turn on us regardless of how much we help them both, so overcome by their own bloodlust that they doomed themselves out of a happy ending.
Irl, these are called "cycles of abuse". They're seen a lot in familial lines, where bad, abusive or neglectful parenting decisions are passed down from generation to generation, under the guise of "that's how my parents did it", but frequently there's a deep, unrecognized vengeance element to it. The stories of Marika, Messmer, Hornsent are all part of a cycle of abuse - started by an industrious, power-seeking culture (the hornsent themselves)... It has many real world parallels. If you draw the allegory out to its logical conclusion, it makes it clear why electing governments focused on peace, progress and understanding are so important. Because nation-level retaliation locks us all into an recurring cycle of dysfunction, suffering, retaliation from afar, and trauma-induced abuses from within. This is why kids from abusive homes often becomes bullies, why the middle east is so perpetually broken, and why Russia was so keen for Trump to win. Elden Ring warned us (as did the bible, but no one in America actually reads that)
Both the Golden Order and The Hornsent got what they deserved.....that's all I'm gonna say to that. Neither of them are more right. They both subjugated others for the sake of securing their ways of life
I feel no sympathy for the HORNSENT that basically massacred a village of peaceful shamans and turn them into living jars. i say they get what they deserve.
I felt bad for hornsent until I remembered that he wears the caterpillar mask.
And he soiled his drawers too
Same!😂
Bro was trying hard to become Igon
But why did this guy assume I was aligned with the Erdtree when almost every living being in the Lands Between is hostile to me?
In his eyes all tarnished are aligned with the erdtree.
It would’ve been cool to have a different response if you chose the frenzy flame ending
@@punk078910Horsent absolutely hate Frenzy as well.
Evil creates evil, which in turn creates still more evil in retribution. An unending cycle of violence, hate, and revenge. Even Hornsent seems to have realized this, considering how he clings to Miquella to "redeem" his clan.
Hornsent is how the revenge plot should be handled. A lot of games try and fail to properly show the effects of revenge, but Hornsent correctly shows the effects of either succeeding or failing.
It’s so sad that Hornsent was absorbed by his revenge. He had an understandable goal that some tarnished might resonate with, but in the end vengeance only results in tragedy.
Awesome! For those who seek vengeance, only death awaits. Dig 2 graves my guy! 👀👌
Something about “Dig 2 graves my guy!” Is both morbid and silly in such a unique way lmao. It’s like something goku or ash Ketchum would say
A character who is blind to the fact he will cause make a cycle of revenge hell we would have helped him
Revenge is his sole purpose of exiating. If we take that away from him, he loses his purpose. That's why he would be so easily manipulated into joining Leda.
YAY THANK YOU SO MUCH
If the Hornsent didnt wanna be tragic I guess they shouldnt have did what they were doing with no concept of the consequences that would follow.
This does assume all hornsent were onboard with these religious practices. He does call his own people "rueful," so it's possible he saw them as wrong in their persecution of the shamans
I don’t really look at it as a tragedy. I look at it as why would u go against the force of nature that gave life in the beginning of time
Godrick is the golden child
Justice for Godrick.
By far my Favorite npc in ledas group, you can’t really hate em for what he becomes all he wanted was vengeance for his clan/wife and kid/ wish there was a way to bring him to our side during the final showdown
"You can't really hate him"
Hornsent was one of the butchers who performed the jar ritual at bonny village...
@@rwberger6 in the video STG said he was a blacksmith
@@moshiriqSTG said he BELIEVES he is a blacksmith because of the weapon description and that he only wears the mask for the side benefits it is supposed to give. I disagree, the mask description directly says that it was worn specifically by the potentates performing the ritual at bonny village. So if hornsent has it, then he was probably one of the potentates. STG even asks at the end if we think this is the case over his theory and I believe it is, especially given how we are shown how bloodthirsty hornsent really is after killing messmer.
@ prove he was a butcher to begin with
@@rashadsanders6716he’s wearing the greater potentate mask. That’s all I need
In my first play through, 🤔 Hornsent Grandam said ‘vessel of the sacred beast have my son accompany thee to war’ so I thought hornsent’s family didn’t die but sent him off to avenge their burnt tower. Helping Leda to beat him simply made him a failure so he could go back to his family. 😅
Hornsent the hypocrite
0:39 The player character must have a real chip on their shoulder
It’s hard to feel bad for the people that started this whole situation in the first place. If they hadn’t subjugated the shamans then marika would never have needed to seek revenge on them. Then the mockery of calling their subjugation sainthood is just twisted
Its incredibly evil. I wouldnt be shocked if the Gateway that grants Divinity was made up of the Shamen as well.
To be fair Marika isnt much better she left her son to wage a war on her behalf had two of her omen children thrown into a sewers that are known for dehorning omens
@@justinroux1610yes but would all that have happened if her people weren’t slaughtered and Jared?
He thought he was the MC and got humbled, truly a tragedy
Awesome video! Hornsent was already one of my favorite new npcs but these ideas made me love him even more he’s almost like a horned Batman becoming a symbol for his people while mostly being motivated by the loss of his family. Also my mind was blown when you suggested he could be a blacksmith because not only is this literally the first time I’ve ever heard anyone suggest he was anything other than a potentate because of the mask, but your suggestion actually makes so much more sense in hindsight especially considering the falx item description mentioned he FORGED them himself and only started wielding them after the crusade (Awesome find btw I can’t believe I never put that together myself). If he was a potentate before then why not just use the giant cleaver he should already own to get vengeance? It seems very much like a Miyazaki thing to do in hindsight to misdirect the players into really stereotyping this tragic npc because he happens to be wearing armor linking him to a faction the player will definitely hate(it’s entirely possible he put his outfit together from scraps he scavenged off his people if he truly lost EVERYTHING in the fires including his clothes). He might still have been one ultimately and we’ll never know but thanks for sharing actual new ideas to consider, again great video !
Niceee, it’s a good day for an Elden Ring video 🫡
My favorite charachter from the DLC
great video!
I feel no pity to him, his people got what they deserved and he can't handle the consequences.
Their story was so heartbreaking for me that I had to compose a song for them. I called it "Anti-Messmer", available on my channel.
Oh damn I gotta check it out
That's a strong song!
What a fabulous Saturday morning surprise!
Many blessings.💪🏾💙
I normally don't like it when NPC's can't be saved, but it suits Hornsent as a character due to him being obsessed with vengeance. Leda's character is much the same, both being driven by bloodthirst. Living for revenge can really only end with death and a cycle of even more revenge. If anything, the best outcome is us denying Hornsent his vengeance. He and Leda go on to turn on us regardless of how much we help them both, so overcome by their own bloodlust that they doomed themselves out of a happy ending.
Irl, these are called "cycles of abuse". They're seen a lot in familial lines, where bad, abusive or neglectful parenting decisions are passed down from generation to generation, under the guise of "that's how my parents did it", but frequently there's a deep, unrecognized vengeance element to it. The stories of Marika, Messmer, Hornsent are all part of a cycle of abuse - started by an industrious, power-seeking culture (the hornsent themselves)... It has many real world parallels. If you draw the allegory out to its logical conclusion, it makes it clear why electing governments focused on peace, progress and understanding are so important. Because nation-level retaliation locks us all into an recurring cycle of dysfunction, suffering, retaliation from afar, and trauma-induced abuses from within.
This is why kids from abusive homes often becomes bullies, why the middle east is so perpetually broken, and why Russia was so keen for Trump to win. Elden Ring warned us (as did the bible, but no one in America actually reads that)
I looked at my TH-cam recap and I’m in the top 0.7% of your viewers :)
Woot woot! Thank you!
The only Irish dude in Elden Ring
So the hornsent and those of the crucible are Irish? It's still better than French, at least.
Anything is.
Both the Golden Order and The Hornsent got what they deserved.....that's all I'm gonna say to that. Neither of them are more right. They both subjugated others for the sake of securing their ways of life
Nah, Marika,s regime was more retarded.
💪🏾💙
I feel no sympathy for the HORNSENT that basically massacred a village of peaceful shamans and turn them into living jars.
i say they get what they deserve.
Honestly? I'm team Marika all the way...I understand why she did what she had to do