FJ rolls on Black Bear
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7/20/18
Witnessed a FJ in front of me roll to its side.
Driver and Passenger were not injured. Not so much for their FJ.
Guy on right is with me. He is not a spotter for the FJ.
Video was Captured on a iPhone7. Dash mount.
That dude taking pictures stands there all day then sells you a pic of your car rolling for $10.
smart man. someone did that for HS hockey games. made a killing
Better to roll there than some other parts of that trail.
For $15 he'll tie a long rope on your roof rack and if you start to roll over he'll lean the other way to keep you stable..
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
the reaction or lack thereof of that guy with the camera is priceless...he's like, yep that's what i was waiting for, no big deal
@Darren Bates jumping jacks. You gotta do jumping jacks immediately
At that moment you need to be that guy that's not afraid to use the throttle. Keep the tires rolling and things moving forward.
I was thinking the exact same thing- power out of it.
Laszlo Vass
Yeah, that and a bad line. He didn’t look confident, so maybe new to the sport. He certainly dove that left front wheel into a hole and braked at the same time, pitching the cog forward and left at the same time.
Easy to say, I know from the comfort of my chair, but that’s my take on it.
Exactly! I was just going down an extremely steep hill on my atv and I started tipping forward, rear tires lifted off and were about to come up and over behind me. I had one play, stab the throttle through the steep part and worry about the creek at the bottom when I got there. A nube would have panicked, grabbed brakes and sped up the process of wearing that 800lb machine as an ass hat. Sometimes you just have to power through.
On a side note, can you imagine thinking you were going to roll off the hill and wondering if you were going to stop on that flat by the base of the waterfall or continue on down the hill?
@@clivehorridge this was like level one type shit. Honestly how do you roll here... lol
@@pokerman9108 Not sure if you’ve driven this pass, but definitely not level 1. Most flips happen a little further down from here for sure...but honestly that would have been much worse down there.
What a bad line !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Definitely a horrible line choice, shoula stayed tight left trail...
they saw videos with vehicles with disconnects taking that line and figure it must be the right line! I just watched this one where they all took the sketchiest line when clearly the left line was the better choice (especially for a first timer) th-cam.com/video/xSwsphaZr8M/w-d-xo.html
And terrible technique... looked almost like he was pumping the brakes or something. That rig was literally on one tire for a second haha
No s**t! Wrong line and terrible driving. Even on that line he could have made it just by getting off the brakes.
Dean Johnson yeah because it’s mostly modified jeeps, they have enough flex an travel to handle that line. Left would be for a rig that more mild then wild. Like that FJ...
In 2 years this FJ cruiser has rolled over more than 83,000 times
Too many rollovers at that same spot. When in doubt, set the brake, shut the engine off and get out and scout the line ahead. It is possible to do Black Bear Pass in a street stock Subaru Outback as long as you pay attention to your line.
Or just ride a motorcycle down, and miss it all !! Only need 6" for a clean line. So much easier, cheaper and more FUN !! But it does take skill tho haha
Jim Buy a Yamaha TW200 instead.
Jim The novelty and limitations of the 125 engine wears off pretty quick. The Yamaha TW200 can pretty much do everything except long highway runs.
I just got back from a trip in my stock outback and had the exact same thought. Im no pro but still know better than to step down while completely perpendicular to the slope I am on.
Yano, someone literally just did what you advised. Their wrangler was parked on what appeared to be a sturdy spot but it tumbled down the pass ejecting the passenger and two dogs.
An experienced driver can ride a unicycle over black near pass however most be are not professionals, just enthusiasts
Suddenly, I crave sway bar disconnect.
Needs a driver mod
It was probably best that it happened here, another 1/2 mile down the trail it would've been a total yard sale.
🤣😂 Totally agree.
I’ve now seen two cars take the same exact line with similar results. Is it an optical illusion,or is staying left on this part a seemingly better line?
I was watching thinking the same thing… or far right and going straight down into the slope.
I wheeled this road this past July (2022). My spotter was in front of me for this section, and he definitely guided me further to the left when I thought I should stay close to the line this Toyota took. I was very glad to have an experienced spotter who had driven and spotted this road multiple times.
The guy filming is unfazed. What has he seen?
Believe me I am no expert but it looked like he kept using his brakes. When I 4wheel I like to use the low range and let the transmission slow the vehicle. Locking up the wheels seems like a bad way to go.
I kept thinking the same thing while watching. The driver was definitely scared and had zero confidence! Lesson number one: Know your vehicle's limits. Lesson number oneA: Kow your own limits! They go hand-in-hand.
engine breaking is also my approach to off-camber descents as well
Everyone jams on their break right there when they start to feel the right rear coming up off the ground and that’s what causes the rollovers there
People who do Black Bear are “scared of the edge” as I put it - the best line to take is on the left side close to the edge. Did BB with a stock 07 FJ this summer.
Lifting FJs makes them too tilty on mountains. But you can't tell that to the flexers.
Glad you said this because I was thinking the exact same thing. Going right looks like you're just asking for trouble.
Exactly
Perhaps but if he had rolled it on the left, the consequences would have been serious.
Opinions are like assholes. How many of you have actually been on this trail. Let’s keep this real. I never wish this on anyone!
Brake, Brake, Brake. Soft suspension. Not in low gear? Hes bounching around alot.
Bad line. There's a 2' drop off a rock ledge in the middle. I did BB in my 200-series Land Cruiser a couple weeks ago, about a week after this video. I took the low (left) side. Got out and saw the drop and was glad I didn't take the middle line. I spotted the guy behind me through the high (right) side, which feels a bit tippy but is the best line to take through this section.
Agreed! Left side is the best option for safety. If he didn’t brake and left off he could of saved the vehicle.
He should of came back down the way he came up.black bear is not that hard of a trail for anyone who really off roads but real challenging for beginners.
Why is the right side the best line for this area? Just asking for my own information.
@@dlshigh maybe he meant the most fun/challenging?
Maybe approach at an angle to the left and not just driving straight. It's OK to zig zag thru a obstacle to get the safest easiest route.
This is at the top! I've been down BB 20 times. At this point I haven't even disconnected sway bars or taken out ABS fuses.
Driver error.
Off camber and then he drops driver side wheel in a hole. Should have squared up to the obstacle.
I’m re-thinking that roof top tent. OIIIIIIIO
Ya had the entire left side of the trail but you go ahead and take the right side
Man, when you’re already tilting driver front you can’t then drop just the driver front into a two foot hole. Not unless you got solids with massive articulation. Not sure what dude on side of road was doing. If dude driving isn’t experienced enough to pick his line through this (I mean there’s like a two lane highway width to work with) that dude should have been spotting him. Hopefully driver and rig were alright.
My same thoughts. Spotter for sure. But then again we would miss the spotters priceless face when he saw the reality of what he was thinking. :-)
Sounds like he was using his DAC button, you can hear the ABS going nuts. My 4Runner sounds just like that, and there’s only certain situations where that’s better than 1st gear, 4 lo and brakes. I’ve never run this trail but my first thought was that the left side looked better, doesn’t seem so off camber - but can’t really see the obstacles from the video. Bummer on the rollover
DAC button? don't have that on my 4x4 FJ.
@@SRPDunn that’s odd, I figured FJs would have that as well. It’s downhill assist control, it will modulate your speed on a decline using the ABS system. Maybe it’s replaced on the FJ by crawl control?
@@Lostsage01 Maybe, we have ATrac and locking rear differentials we can use.
It would kill me to experience my FJ turning turtle like that. Thought it looked like a bad line from the start. What's the rest of the story?
This is why solid axles are great
Yes and no. Solid axle does absolutely nothing if you can't drive or pick a line or have experienced driver's to teach you.
@@pudgylittlehamster bullshit..ifs is dangerous,no travel,you drop 1 wheel in a 2 ft hole,you roll,the body follows the wheel,unlike a solid.we have them in the club,a registered 4x4 club not some wk end cowboy brigade..there painfull to watch..most times only saved on slight lifts by traction control,which will also kill you.plus.there too short,square,there the same chassis as a prado.rubbish.best wheel base is a short w/b f100.mine had 2ft travel std.no mods needed,just a front locker,cost 3k.cant beat old school..&,it had no computer,which also kill you.2000 ks from help,a sensor blows,you die.
@@phantomwalker8251 my dude I use to live In australia and let me tell you that IFS is a very capable suspension. Thier are many reasons why vehicles roll over. The most common cause is a inexperienced driver.
If you need them....
🤣😂 ok
money to burn
Was I watching a cow getting tipped over or FJ? Smh
Unfortunately FJ Cruisers have this problem due to it's front suspension. A solid front axle as opposed to independent front suspension goes a long way.
Poor guy had very little time to respond... That was super fast!
@0:35 if the camera guy didn't wave for you to stop.. can you imagine how many suv/trucks will be on its side there? Countless!
At least it rolled there and not on the trails that are on the edging of the mountain
Sometimes hitting the gas is the answer
Toyota drivers and being arrogant what's new. What a crappy line LOL.
They should have put the stickers on the passenger side. Seriously, I hope they were okay. More of a 'flop' than a 'roll'.
Sounded like a gunshot 😬😬
That's a perfect example of the fatal combo in this section. Hugging the trail too far right making it more off-camber than it needs to be, and slamming on the brake when the driver's front tire drops off the step. Add those up and you get a *boop*
Just stop, chock the wheels, get out and go walk the road and pick a good line.
Mai frenare e sterzare tutto a sx dove tende a ribaltarsi.....dispiace per il mezzo e che nessuno lo assistiva frontalmente....
That's why the guy was standing there. Inexperienced drivers will approach the drop at the wrong angle and roll.
Is the car totaled at that point?
No, but the drivers rep is.
Always run obstacles head on and don't traverse them. Run the fall line and this wont happen. Ran it last year and that line sucks. Run to the far left and also stop before and dunk your head in the stream. It's good luck.
The title left me disappointed
Its such an illusion because you need to be closer to the edge not further up the wall.
Picked the wrong line. Shouldve stayed left. But then he wouldnt have the cool camera angle photo
I seriously hope this dude wasn't the designated spotter,for obvious reasons.😂
this is why you don’t putt all your gear up on the roof
the center of gravity on my long bed tacoma with full skid plates is nice and low
Imagine if a Bronco II tried that trail
I am pretty sure this is the steps section of that trail, where many rollovers happen. What is being done incorrectly is they are dropping the left from wheel down first and that sends the right rear wheel up in the air. They need to be approaching more to the right and then turn and let both sides of the from come down the steps. That is what I think is happening. I have not driven this trail, but I have watch a number of incidents on this part of the trail on You Tube and the one's who are successful on this part square up and bring both sides of the front down at the sometime. Maybe someone that has actually taken this trail should comment on their analysis of how to take these steps successfully. It is a shame to see so many rigs get badly damaged on this part of the trail.
If that fake jeep had the turd package with the turd wheels and exhaust it would of neva dun that and it woulda just went over it like nuthing. The turd package is the best
That guy wasn't spotting? Wouldn't invite him next time!
If you're that unskilled, you should not be on Black Bear trail
Dude probably weighed 600 pounds
Why won't people stay off the high side of that section?
Just looked like the FJ was just tuckered out. Had to rest a bit.
Give it a power bar.....
At least the guy recording made sure he got the full fuck-up.
The question is were the people inside all leaning to the right before it rolled😅😂 and on a serious note I hope no one was injured!
Why risk your life and the lives others who come to rescue you in the first place 🤔
Not as fun as going over the edge. Post again when that haopens.
his line looked terrible, either point it nose down or wheels up seems to me not sideways on the tippy part.
Some wheel spacers and a driver mod maybe???
Driver sounded so inconvenienced
Low range 1st gear and keep ur foot off the brakes
Think I'll stick to motorcycles!
Bad spotter? Driver too timid? FJ too top heavy?
On camera, it sure doesn't look that steep . . .
Why did this person go that line. Left of that looked better....but then I'm not there so maybe I'm wrong.
Ooopsie poopsie
“Damn, and it looks so good with that lift kit”.
No wonder it was discontinued
Hahaha absolutely pathetic
How many people die on this trail each year?
Don't make 4x4s like theu used too
lol some people just shouldn't own a 4x4
Was the dude top heavy or what? Didn't seem that uneven of a route?
Also probably sway bars attached. Notice the vehicle doesn’t articulate much at all. Also the driver picks bad line and punching the brake instead of steady rolling slow. All a recipe for disaster luckily he was not further down the trail. It would have been tragic.
Theres a wheel hole there after a ledge
Don't both spotting just film it!
spotter fails LOL
more like lack of spotter :D
Spectator win
FJ Driver common ERROR
My Jeep LOL'd
I want my vehicle to be too heavy like that FJ
00:29 "Got it, thanks. You can cut now."
On purpose! You tube revenue generator.
Lo bueno es que no terminó como los 5 o 6 jeeps volcados y en el fondo del barranco....bueno otro video los muestra.... corrió con suerte...sin miedo al éxito!!!!
Th spotter is worthless.
Sell the FJ and stay home
IFS for the win!
Toyota sucks off road
what don’t you just go to the left ?
Its a FJ Snoozer
She's no Hummer
It do go down.
Fucking IFS.
Lol
Bad spotter.
Fuck Jeep, my #1 is FJ
The guide is just watching, also hard braking on locked wheels on a steep terrain is tragic!
He's not a guide, he was with the cam vehicle getting ready to film it.
Yep just another Toyota owner thinking they spent 40.000 on a real 4-wheel drive!! I've driven that road in a 1970's dozer top to bottom & vice versa with zero suspension travel trying to recover these granola's that come from Boulder thinking they can wheel....🙈 Fyi, happened right above a section called '' Bear bait"...if this would've happened another couple hundred yards further.....☠
And I call myself a chicken shit for not doing those weird angled offset obstacles. I know when one wheel gets stuffed that the others are NOT helping!!!!! I call this the tuck and roll~
lack of articulation due to lift. People don't realize that when you lift, you gain up travel but if you lift too much you lose down travel. Yes you need clearance to prevent rubbing on the ground. It's hard to see but i feel he rolled due to almost no suspension articulation. It's not an IFS thing exactly, but a Solid axel probably would've been fine here.
amateur
someone should start or write a book on spotting, rolling, and 4 wheeling jeeps, toyotas, etc, uphill and downill!