When does this show get exciting! ITS OBVIOUS that older lady is sylvie. Same accent same nose. Where is the big bad Kang? Oh wait that will be the final ten mins of the finale
Right!? It seems like he is coming into his own and harnessing deeper power I hope it fully unlocks it especially when Sylvie and Loki combine their energy to enhance their individual or shared powers.
As we were watching, I said to my wife, damn I almost forgot Loki was LOKI. The show has been so good without doing much with the God of Mischief stuff. Glad they were able to get his powers in without making it ridiculous.
This episode contains some of the best acting I would consider in the entire MCU. I don't think it was as phenomenal at the first episode, but I think for a setup episode where most shows slow down with a dip in quality, I think this episode managed to sustain its high-quality writing and performances! 8.5/10
Really? I think I disagree. I felt like the first interrogation scene with Brad had some really flat dialogue at least compared to how awesome dialogue normally is.
The apple pie is literally the goat loki talking about how his emotions clouded his judgment during the event of avengers to show his anger against his father was a nice memory lane.
Occam’s razor on the whole “the Time Keepers were fake, but the warnings were real” thing: what the general is saying is that even though the Time Keepers were fake, the TVA’s mission of protecting the Sacred Timeline to prevent wholesale multiversal war is still true. That fits with her behavior in this episode.
I really like seeing Loki and Mobius working together again and seeing them play off of each other in the field and in interrogations. Seeing Loki and Mobius be good cop-bad cop with Brad being the guy who taunts both of them to see who strikes first was a real treat. I have to say seeing Mobius strike fist was something I didn't expect as he's usually so stoically calm, but it was really nice to see their friendship grow and see them plan out how to get Brad to break and tell them the information they needed. But Doc's plan was just a band-aid at best since we know that the multiverse still will happen with Deadpool 3, The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
Tom Hiddleston should be nominated for EVERY award based on this episode alone. His reactions to X5 and then how he so smoothly boxed X5 in (literally) was next level perfection. Seeing him use his magic again was fabulous as well. Tom has created a character that is spellbinding in his inner conflict and so nuanced that a mere arched eyebrow conveys three pages of storytelling. Absolutely loved this episode.
@@karlitatv he does get some props in the UK where acting is far more appreciated. He is the David Tennant of the MCU for me. Everyone on the series is truly top notch. So much emotion in every look and action.
Loki ... the way we know him ... angry, scary, determined, full of tricks ... exactly the way we love him, the first chase says it all ... expecting more of our very old Loki with all his tricks in this season...
If Loki's true purpose is to get people to be their "best selves." Then maybe he NEEDS to be the antagonist for He Who Remains, because the Timeline needs to become the best variant of Kang.
How are you so clever to have the dialog between the 2 of you and still give a great video essay without distracting from the topic? It's truly amazing!
Dude! Key Lime is excellent pie. In fact, it is my favorite pie. Now, granted, the pie in the show appears to be more a jello pie than anything because real key lime pie is made with a graham cracker crust and the filling is more of a pale yellow (which anyone who has been to Florida would know -- particularly at Disney World, where they do make a pretty good key lime pie) but my first thought when I saw the pie in Loki was, "Not Key Lime pie, but maybe it's soylent green" which would fit in with the sci-fi dystopia theme of the show.
the reason i think it’s an ouraborous is because when loki was time slipping, the past mobius and b-15 he met were talking about branched timelines, and in the present there were also branch timelines, which means branch timelines is a type of ragnarok for the tvs. branch timelines, tva going down, multiverse war, tva gets reset with new management, and then once again branch timelines.
This episode contains some of the best acting I would consider in the entire MCU. I don't think it was as phenomenal at the first episode, but I think for a setup episode where most shows slow down with a dip in quality, I think this episode managed to sustain its high-quality writing and performances! 8.5/10
So, did He Who Remains build the loom to destroy his variants before they branched out? That’s why his temporal aura is the only way to open the shield doors
I was thinking OB must of helped victor timely perhaps younger he who remains design the the tva. With tech parts from different timelines like past tech updated with future tech. OB lost these memories yet helps loki figure out who the younger immortus is to open those doors. Victor Timely maybe? I couldn't help but think that since OB knows more about the tva than anyone.
looks to me The Loom was built to turn time and multiple timelines into the physical sacred timeline we see depicted as a circle. Marvel nudging the idea that the tva didn’t completely prune all of the multiverse, but a specific set of timelines were being woven into the sacred one and the rest needed to be pruned.
@@somerandom414it’s a circle the multiverse spawned and was subsequently destroyed at some point and that cycle happens we just never knew it. At some point a version of Kang made the loom and started going through with his invading force aka the TVA and prune/destroy timelines before they can fully form. At some point he gets Alioth and wins completely
The Automat having only one kind of pie is a nice contrast to the McDonald's, which has a menu of many options. (including something "new" - the McNuggets) The Automat is green, while the McD's is yellow - Loki's colors. So those environments demonstrate the themes you were mentioning about determinism. In the Automat, despite how many choices there are, the outcome is the same. Is Loki fated to just be the villain? Is he stuck with that fate, or will he be able to make different choices, leading to another outcome? Also interesting that Mobius immediately orders the Apple Pie when he arrives - because it's not Key Lime.
I loved how the scene with the rogue TVA Agents pruning the branched timelines was the exact same filming location as in Children of Men when Clive Owen’s character is talking with Julianne Moore’s character after being kidnapped by her people!
I have a comment about Mobius being the stealth villain all along. That makes sense because keep in mind that a Mobius isn't just a loop but it's a 1 dimensional loop, meaning there is only one side for a Mobius. So what if Mobius can only ever be loyal to the TVA no matter what?
Loved this episode! I heard from some TH-camrs who previewed the first 4 early that this one wasn’t as good. But man, think about all the places and things they did in this episode. Felt like sooo much of the trailers have now been covered which is amazing bc it means we will be seeing soooo many new and surprising things still to come. The character interactions and acting are absolutely top notch. Kevin and team need to take note and see how they can achieve the same level of success with all of their other projects. This is top Marvel content AND there are no traditional superheroes to be found, which is the coolest part. I don’t think anyone would label Loki a superhero. Most of what he accomplishes could be done without his powers any ways! Can’t wait for more!
Small thing, at 28.25 in the episode, U should notice that in Episode 1, the Sacred Time Line after being forced down the Loom was streamlined, and in episode 2 you could see the Time Line starting to deteriorate.
You can tell Loki was turning on "Villain Mode" by his voice. When he talks with a little more gravel, a lower register, just a little more sharp, he's in Villain Mode. It's unclear if he did this intentionally the first time or lost it like Mobius, I tend to think it was intentional though. It was definitely intentional the second time when he went in to interro-torture X-5.
It's actually really interesting seeing this character driven episode, it plays out like a homage to old cop dramas, that its something strangely enjoyable to watch and appreciate the mundane in such a fantastical genre show! It's cool and almost surreal to see Loki as a suave James Bond kind of guy now, but I do love the moments where you do see the Hannibal Lecter currents hiding beneath the surface. The Dark Urge in Baldur's Gate 3 just lurking that if you push Loki too far, he will not hesitate to inflict max damage on you. Loki actually held it in pretty well and I was surprised that it was Mobius who lost it this time. That you can see that Loki has matured as a person that though he was taunted with his insecurities and failures, and he is a guy with some what arrested emotional development, he actually could take it. I mean, yeah he said that his breaking point was funnily enough, throwing Tony Stark out of the window, and he means that casually like as if its something normal people would do. But also credit to Tom Hiddleston having a ball doing the interrogation torture sequence. And Owen Wilson for just yeah being Mobius. It's interesting that Mobius is actually scared of seeing a good possibility, because he's so fearful it may turn out good and that he'll be sad, and want more and what's out there. So he rather not know. Like I always remember the line from Hellboy 'I sleep good not knowing'. The interaction between Loki and Mobius is such a cool buddy thing. I think they get on because they don't really judge each other and just accept. On the other hand, the interaction between Loki and Sylvie is yeah when you know its the 'lovers awkward', its cute. Because they both honestly really like each other but they're also really shy to say so, but its also a complicated relationship because they have very different ideologies. Loki's mindset has changed and evolved, that he understands why there needs to be 1 timeline, I mean yes, free will is cool but also there needs to be order to some degree, full chaos has no purpose. At least order has purpose. But he also doesn't believe in stupid unquestioning order, like forcefully blowing up timelines to preserve 1 timeline, like sure, last time he'd used to do that, but he understands and he's learned to think about other people. He could have been killed on a non-sacred timeline because he's a variant and technically shouldn't exist, but he's alive. Sylvie still wants to chill and do her own thing, but Loki is trying to convince her to support order instead of be her full chaotic self. But of course, her life experiences has traumatized her and she just hates the TVA period because of all they've done to her, ask her to fight for the TVA? Nonsense right? But I think secretly, it will reach a point she will get bored of living in her perfect 'barbie land' and she will have to face up to things and care about what's happening around her. At least they've fixed Loki's time slipping problem and he can interact normally. But yeah, I can see that Loki is actually quite liking this strange public service/ government kind of life. I mean we laugh at office life but he's taken an appreciation for the mundane. It's more relatable, more human, sure its not big, dramatic and over the top, sure there are still catastrophic issues, but there's something more humbling about it. He's not just working as a lone wolf, he's learnt to work with others and with friends towards common goals. Perhaps he'll be the new boss of the TVA? Who knows?
Dox said “the time keepers were fake but their warnings were real”, seemingly referring to the warning from season 1 in all of the TVA propaganda about the timeline branching. Pretty simple actually.
My theory is, 1. After being defeated by Ant Man, Kang was sucked by the probability drive and transported to the 19th century, where he renamed himself Victor Timely and changed his purpose: to create one singular timeline. 2. Kang (as Victor Timely) then invents the temporal loom, but he only has 19th century technology, that's why TVA's design is rectro tech. (This is also the point of existence of the TVA) 3. Loki and Mobius visited Kang(VT) after he created the device. If you've seen the time travel short film Room 88, this is what's happening in Victor Timely's timeline from his point of view. 4. Ravonna Renslayer also went to Kang(VT). This is probably why she left Tva in Loki S1 (She was instructed by Miss Minutes, so perhaps this is something Ravonna must do, She was the fail safe). 5. Loki S2 Event (Loki's time loop, loki prunes himself to fulfill the loop) Ep 1 is actually Ep 7! 6. Kang (VT ) saw the upcoming events, the branching of timelines, the overloading of the temporal loom, and he realized he needed Sylvie and Loki together because he needed those moments to happen, he needed to be visited by these people to complete the loop. (so Sylvie was kidnapped later in time, and He who remains killed by Sylvie at the end of time that's why he who remains says "See you soon"). 7. Ravonna Renslayer was stuck in 19th century or maybe she's willing to join Kang (VT) in that time to help in creating and running TVA. 8. And then there's the time keepers era, the Loki S1 event, Loki and Sylvie at the Citadel, and so on, until it all happens again (Time Loop) *Meaning this is all part of the ouroborus. A time loop itself, and if this breaks, there will be multiversal war. I believe they have to lose for the events of Kang Dynasty and Secret War to happen. *There was an ouroborusception going on here, first with Loki's time loop, then Ravonna's time loop, Kang's time loop, Sylvie's time loop, and the main MCU's time loop. I don't know, what you guys think?
The sacred timeline can be observed from any time branches perspective as their own is their principle sacred timeline. I find this such an existential horror... The crazy reality is that no timeline or universe can ever be a MAIN universe. So when, Loki says in the first season, "It's okay, Nothing matters" This says sooo much. Everything matters and simultaneously doesn't matter. Wow I think I'm having an existential and nihilistic crisis of my own...🥺
I love that Loki, the TVA, and He Who Remains all have a similar theme song. It really shows the link between them and I think supports the idea that Loki should be the one to replace HWR.
I hate to say it but Dox might’ve just been speaking of the TVA / Timekeepers warnings about letting timelines branch but I’d love it there’s more to it.
I think that time in the TVA is happening all at once. When Loki is talking to OB in the past, in the present OB isn't just then remembering, he is currently having that conversation.
this makes sense now that time has frayed apart, the TVA's loom which can't handle all the timelines while weaving one timeline was also what powers and allows the TVA to exist outside of time, thus all of time can now happen all at once
Wouldn’t it be so cool if the final episode of this series would set up a perfect loop back to S1:E1 rhyming with the loop snake thing that I don’t remember what it’s called.
This show is propping MARVEL waaaay back up. It makes all the other Disney+ shows more relevant. It makes all the Multiverse Saga more relevant. All hail Loki
The one thing that I noticed (and am perplexed by) is that Loki is working with Mobius, B-15, etc. They want to let the timelines branch and be free, but Loki knows that doing so brings all the Kang variants and the next multiverse war. I feel like those ideals are eventually going to cause a rift between Loki and the TVA people
This confuses me too. Shouldn’t destroying the branches are necessary to prevent more Kang variants? But maybe Loki is still trying to find a way to block Kang variants without sacrificing all the lives in the branches?
I think thats the choice that there all going to have to make let everyone be free but also release kang so it gets destroyed anyway, I'm hoping they'll come up with a way to stop the bad kangs once and for all
In Episode 1, Loki was tasked with pruning himself out of all the various points in time and space in order to stop time slipping. So it is presumably him. LOKI is also the one to first call Oroborus "OB" during the time slip. Since OB says "hey, I like that"
TH-camrs get access to episodes early, record and edit days before, and drop the video soon after the episode comes out. They all have talked about it multiple times
Yeah they do it all ahead of time lol if you’ve ever done video editing or created social media content, you’d realize it’s physically impossible for them to do it in minutes.😂
What a great episode so far the best episodes of any disney + series victor timely appearances is looming on OB is definitely one of the most important people in the TVA im puzzled wondering if he's also a variant.
Theory: dox pruned Loki. A sign of the infinity ouroboros on the aforementioned character. Looped looped timelines. Let me break this down. Yes Loki knew he had to prune himself to save himself. Future him noticed he he couldn’t. So he manufactured small butterfly effects so that dox when on her, dare I say, genocidal rampage in which eventually would cause her to prune him out of hate but the trickery was that was exactly where and when he needed to be pruned but even he doesn’t know it then. 🤯
if they bombed Sylvie's branched timeline then how come she was back to it like nothing had happened? Or did they reach them before they could bomb it? I guess that would be the case
Anyone find it strange that 2/3rds of the trailer footage has been shown. Meaning the next episode is about finding victor timely and Loki re time slipping and ending at a jet ski rental place.
The 3 Lokis gave me Time Keeper vibes. I can see Loki as the future leader of the TVA. Still can’t wait to see Renslayer confront Victor Timely & find out more about her involvement with He Who Remains!
I hear a lot of talk around someone warning Doxx but I heard what she said as "the time keepers may not be real, but their warnings were". Meaning the Time Keeper's warnings about multiversal war
One thing I really enjoyed about this episode was the choice to use colorful and harsh dialogue. I always felt like the audience has grown up and we deserve to see a more adult like side to marvel.
I loved the opening scene but towards the end of the chase I got these vibes that it was being used as a way to get through the episode time. I remember at one point thinking "isn't this loki? He could easily end this in a few seconds" and then he eventually did but it just felt very very slightly longer than it needed to be. Get me back into that tva and the lore man I eat that crap uppppp
I think that as a demonstration of how furious and driven Loki was at that moment as much as anything else - he could have ended it as soon as he tracked X-5 down, but he wanted to demonstrate a point to him.
Idk what you mean by trying to figure out who warned her.. Ox’s full sentence was “The timekeepers were fake, but their warning were real” I’m 97% sure she meant the timekeepers warnings were real.. Great breakdown though 👍🏽 appreciate ya
Loki running in circles and always losing to make every one around him better version of themselfs reminded me of Doctor Who's Day of the Doctor where John Hurt's War doctor said "Great man are forged in fire, it is a priviledge of a lesser man to light the flames.
ScreenCrush ,The scene where multiple Loki's captured Brad was filmed in front of the same wall that's on the cover of Paul Mccartney's " Band On The Run " album.
I am hoping that this at 14:34 was a reference to a great Beatles song about loneliness and wanting to be somewhere else, a way of saying that Brad is trying to that you usually don't hear: "He's a real nowhere man, sitting in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere plans for nobody. Nowhere man, please listen. You don't know what you're missing."
Although Star Wars was released in May 1977, it didn’t make it’s UK premiere until Dec 1977, and given that they are not wrapped up all warm, I think it’s correct that there are not loads of Star Wars posters everywhere. Those were the days where those of us in the UK used to have to wait a while to see films that had been out a while in the US, I would presume due to the need to produce copies of the film reels and to ship them to the cinemas.
The scene from S1 when Miss Minutes said, “He thinks this will be more useful,” makes so much sense now! I think He Who Remains lied about not knowing what would happen next and gave files of “Victor Timely” for Renslayer to find him. I also think he planned for Silvie to kill him, the events in Ant-Man, and so far the events of Loki S2. It seems everything is coming true to Kang’s plan, and that's more threatening than Thanos.
The whole X 5 asking about getting them drinks is also kind of a callback to how Tony poured himself a drink in Avengers to buy time for his suit to arrive
loki literally warns dox when he time slips into the room with them. plus, they already heard everything from when loki and mobius talked. they have recordings everywhere.
When you started mentioning Doctor Who, I thought you were going to mention the same thing I noticed. I thought “Brad Wolfe” was an homage to “Bad Wolf”. I didn’t know Brad and Zaniac were characters from the comics. But still it’s interesting that Brad was possessed by a demon. Sort of similar to how Rose Tyler was possessed by “Bad Wolf”.
If you think about the sacred timeline in season 1, it was a stable time loop, with no beginning or end. What if each branch that survives until the end of time has to then be reincorporated into the timeline somehow, which is why the time loom is now in operation? Like, it has to now grab all of those loose ends, and somehow cram them all back into the beginning of time.
I'm assuming since O.B. says that only the person who built the TVA can get past the locked door makes me think that season 2 episode 3 will be the one where Victor Timely shows up along with Ravonna Renslayer where we'll finally get an answer to if Victor Timely is the same "prime" Kang from Quantomania or not. And Kang will finally get some closure to the "I have lost, you have no idea what I've lost." line from Quantomania since he'll be reunited with either the "prime" Ravonna or a variant of her and maybe he'll use his futuristic technology to restore her memories of him.
Great video Ryan! I think you may be on to something re: Moebius ending up somewhat villainous or wiping the memories of TVA folks. Just thinking of what would put Loki through the emotional ringer the most and they've worked so hard to establish a genuine friendship between Loki & Moebius, Loki's caring about folks other than himself. "It's harder to stay'...I just can't see this series ending with Loki having a best friend, something happens to that relationship.
My Theory for that ASS EATING SNAKE AUROBOROS role in this show - Kang wasn't just speaking to Ravonna during that recording, he was speaking to his advisers Ravonna and Ouroboros. At some point, Ravonna betrayed him, or realized how evil he was and Ouroboros sided with her. They fought, Kang won and erased their memories. They meant too much for him to get rid of so he erased their memories, stuffing Ouroboros in the basement of the TVA so he didn't have to see him. He loves Revonna too much to not talk to her so he still erased her memory but put her as a judge. After this event, Kang withdrew from being an active ruler, made up the Time Keepers, which is why he made it 3 time keepers. Ouroboros gets a maintenance notice to fix the recorder in the War Room, his memories flush back to him and returns to the basement trying to process what just happened and that's when Loki and Mobius come in. Maybe Ouroboros was the one to prune Loki in episode one and he's also some key part of the Kang always coming back into power in the TVA (hence the name Ouroboros) but this time he doesn't play his part he decides to "betray" Kang again and when he prunes Loki he is actively helping Loki to head the TVA.
When Mobius said “I was following you” and Loki said “I was following you”, I said “I have watch the new ScreenCrush video”! This season smacks of future episodes effecting the current ones. In episode 5 and/or 6 Loki and Sylvie will be traveling to the past to effect episodes 1 through 4. Ouroboros.
8:02 I wanted to note the contrast between the way he's pretending to warn Mobius here, compared to the way he's trying to warn Mobius about He Who Remains in Season 2, Episode 1.
"I love this season; I'm really enjoying how it's all coming together. This is exactly what Marvel needs to do - the interconnectedness is what I adore. The way one storyline seamlessly leads into another is what was missing in phase 4. Like Ant-Man connecting to Loki, and I hope that Secret Invasion and Loki lead to The Marvel movie, and so on!"
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Key Lime pie is the BEST pie.
When does this show get exciting! ITS OBVIOUS that older lady is sylvie. Same accent same nose. Where is the big bad Kang? Oh wait that will be the final ten mins of the finale
OB is a kang variant
The opening chase scene was epic! Seeing loki use his power again was cool too.
Right!? It seems like he is coming into his own and harnessing deeper power I hope it fully unlocks it especially when Sylvie and Loki combine their energy to enhance their individual or shared powers.
As we were watching, I said to my wife, damn I almost forgot Loki was LOKI. The show has been so good without doing much with the God of Mischief stuff. Glad they were able to get his powers in without making it ridiculous.
I missed that so much
Loved seeing his horns come back, even if it was only in shadow.
I had forgotten that he had magic … was so used to seeing him being more passive with his powers 😅
No matter what happens, I need Loki and Mobius happy, Sylvie to keep her job, and OB and Casey to become friends.
I want Casey to be hired by OB this breaking the cycle showing free will finally exists
@@ked49execpt the fact that ob hiring Casey would literally be fulfilling a loop
What about b15?
@@samuelballard3467 OB is cursed to be alone. So he would break the cycle by hiring help
Mobius w/ Jetski
Something I love is Loki was in full control of his emotions the entire time. He was just acting because he is the god of stories
oh yea for sure.
Seeing Loki use more of his magic is always welcome
Definitely - he finally got to show off a lot more of what he's capable of.
This episode contains some of the best acting I would consider in the entire MCU. I don't think it was as phenomenal at the first episode, but I think for a setup episode where most shows slow down with a dip in quality, I think this episode managed to sustain its high-quality writing and performances! 8.5/10
Completely agree with you.
Yeah, the "first round" of the interrogation was pretty good!
Yea had me on edge whole time
dude the acting in the end was amazing, imagine having to “mourn” death at a scale that we saw in this episode, it’s literally not possible to imagine
Really? I think I disagree. I felt like the first interrogation scene with Brad had some really flat dialogue at least compared to how awesome dialogue normally is.
I liked Loki being able to be the Loki we know..
The Loki we know was just a villain. This version is a good dude.
@@ssotkowfor now
cunning, dangerous, confident - season 1 forgot it@@ssotkow
@@ssotkow yeah he became a generic "good dude" main character, until this episode
I know right, he's much better when he's not all good
The apple pie is literally the goat loki talking about how his emotions clouded his judgment during the event of avengers to show his anger against his father was a nice memory lane.
It was so good. I want more I can't wait until next week. 😩😢 i loved it when Loki’s evil side breaks out 😁
i love the way loki character arc is changing ❤
Fr I hate waiting
I love everything about this episode, especially the Dream Team: Loki, Mobius, B-15, Casey, and O.B!
This show has a lethal combination of writing, acting, directing, and camera work
I really enjoy how this show has themes and ideas, a lot of the mcu is just fun action so it’s nice to see a show willing to dive deep into themes
Yoo it really felt like a self contained episode but still tied to the overall theme or like a chapter in a book. Very well written episode.
I was literally just talking to my friend about this because it's SOOO TRUEE!! Love this series so much
Hiddleston and Wilson's acting on point. Love seeing these guys together😂 tremendous performances😅
Occam’s razor on the whole “the Time Keepers were fake, but the warnings were real” thing: what the general is saying is that even though the Time Keepers were fake, the TVA’s mission of protecting the Sacred Timeline to prevent wholesale multiversal war is still true. That fits with her behavior in this episode.
Haven't finished the video but I think often Occam's Razor is overlooked, especially by theorists, so thanks for mentioning it
He's been misinterpreting that line since day 1
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she actually said "the Time Keepers were fake, but warnings were real"
@@emiljansson02 no, she definitely said "but their warnings were real"
precisely
I really like seeing Loki and Mobius working together again and seeing them play off of each other in the field and in interrogations. Seeing Loki and Mobius be good cop-bad cop with Brad being the guy who taunts both of them to see who strikes first was a real treat. I have to say seeing Mobius strike fist was something I didn't expect as he's usually so stoically calm, but it was really nice to see their friendship grow and see them plan out how to get Brad to break and tell them the information they needed. But Doc's plan was just a band-aid at best since we know that the multiverse still will happen with Deadpool 3, The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
Ob is such a cool character. Brings a smile whenever he is on screen. Would love to see more of him in future
Seeing Loki use his magic to conjure shadows makes me think he probably could've stopped Gorr in the Shadow Realm in Love and Thunder if he was in it.
Tom Hiddleston should be nominated for EVERY award based on this episode alone. His reactions to X5 and then how he so smoothly boxed X5 in (literally) was next level perfection. Seeing him use his magic again was fabulous as well. Tom has created a character that is spellbinding in his inner conflict and so nuanced that a mere arched eyebrow conveys three pages of storytelling.
Absolutely loved this episode.
I think he has always been fantastic, the movie and tv industry kinda don't give credit to actors like Tom who do mostly nerdy stuff.
@@karlitatv he does get some props in the UK where acting is far more appreciated. He is the David Tennant of the MCU for me.
Everyone on the series is truly top notch. So much emotion in every look and action.
I want to find out that Mobius is a variant of Phil Coulson, which would really help bring Loki's story full circle.
Holy moly
I'm really hoping so too now!
I loved this episode so much cause of the relationship angle and intensity between loki and Sylvie that was ❤
Loki ... the way we know him ... angry, scary, determined, full of tricks ... exactly the way we love him, the first chase says it all ... expecting more of our very old Loki with all his tricks in this season...
great episode. i could feel the emotions between loki and sylvie.
Maybe the Eternals are from a branching timeline, that would explain how Palpatine returned
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Grandpa Palpatine's return was perfectly explained in The Rise of Skywalker, "somehow"
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Yes! Thank you for posting these so quickly! It's your glorious purpose! 💚
If Loki's true purpose is to get people to be their "best selves." Then maybe he NEEDS to be the antagonist for He Who Remains, because the Timeline needs to become the best variant of Kang.
Oooo I like it!
That's a great theory
That's basically a version in the comic edition where he's the one behind it from the very start.
How are you so clever to have the dialog between the 2 of you and still give a great video essay without distracting from the topic? It's truly amazing!
Love how Ryan still doesn’t know all of Doug’s secrets, and Doug just casually slips in that he was a cabbie in London a while back 🤣
Dude! Key Lime is excellent pie. In fact, it is my favorite pie. Now, granted, the pie in the show appears to be more a jello pie than anything because real key lime pie is made with a graham cracker crust and the filling is more of a pale yellow (which anyone who has been to Florida would know -- particularly at Disney World, where they do make a pretty good key lime pie) but my first thought when I saw the pie in Loki was, "Not Key Lime pie, but maybe it's soylent green" which would fit in with the sci-fi dystopia theme of the show.
Good to know. It looked delicious. 😋
Brilliant breakdown as always ryan prefect timing👏🏽👏🏽
the reason i think it’s an ouraborous is because when loki was time slipping, the past mobius and b-15 he met were talking about branched timelines, and in the present there were also branch timelines, which means branch timelines is a type of ragnarok for the tvs. branch timelines, tva going down, multiverse war, tva gets reset with new management, and then once again branch timelines.
What did you think of the episode?
This is what Marvel TV needs to be because the writing in the acting this entire episode was phenomenal
I enjoyed jt; especially the Casey & OB interaction
This episode contains some of the best acting I would consider in the entire MCU. I don't think it was as phenomenal at the first episode, but I think for a setup episode where most shows slow down with a dip in quality, I think this episode managed to sustain its high-quality writing and performances! 8.5/10
The big fighting scene was stiff, other than that it was okay.
Loved it!
So, did He Who Remains build the loom to destroy his variants before they branched out? That’s why his temporal aura is the only way to open the shield doors
I was thinking OB must of helped victor timely perhaps younger he who remains design the the tva. With tech parts from different timelines like past tech updated with future tech. OB lost these memories yet helps loki figure out who the younger immortus is to open those doors. Victor Timely maybe? I couldn't help but think that since OB knows more about the tva than anyone.
looks to me The Loom was built to turn time and multiple timelines into the physical sacred timeline we see depicted as a circle. Marvel nudging the idea that the tva didn’t completely prune all of the multiverse, but a specific set of timelines were being woven into the sacred one and the rest needed to be pruned.
@@somerandom414it’s a circle the multiverse spawned and was subsequently destroyed at some point and that cycle happens we just never knew it. At some point a version of Kang made the loom and started going through with his invading force aka the TVA and prune/destroy timelines before they can fully form. At some point he gets Alioth and wins completely
@@Marshkoon He couldnt prune timelines until he had possession of Alioth. before Alioth, there was just war between realities no tva.
The acting is unreal! Sylvie's facial expressions are priceless
The Automat having only one kind of pie is a nice contrast to the McDonald's, which has a menu of many options. (including something "new" - the McNuggets) The Automat is green, while the McD's is yellow - Loki's colors. So those environments demonstrate the themes you were mentioning about determinism. In the Automat, despite how many choices there are, the outcome is the same. Is Loki fated to just be the villain? Is he stuck with that fate, or will he be able to make different choices, leading to another outcome? Also interesting that Mobius immediately orders the Apple Pie when he arrives - because it's not Key Lime.
Ur thinking about this too much and reaching a LOT but u do u buddy
You're definitely reading too much into it 😂
You’re so quick with it! Exactly why screencrush is the best
They get the episodes before lol all major YT channels do
So far I'm loving it, and reminding me of how good the MCU and shows can be.
Fantastic episode! Love the opening, the philosophical debate and character development throughout! Visceral storytelling!
I loved how the scene with the rogue TVA Agents pruning the branched timelines was the exact same filming location as in Children of Men when Clive Owen’s character is talking with Julianne Moore’s character after being kidnapped by her people!
It's Chatham Dockyard here in Kent, England. So it is a a ship related location as suggested.
I have a comment about Mobius being the stealth villain all along. That makes sense because keep in mind that a Mobius isn't just a loop but it's a 1 dimensional loop, meaning there is only one side for a Mobius. So what if Mobius can only ever be loyal to the TVA no matter what?
Loved this episode! I heard from some TH-camrs who previewed the first 4 early that this one wasn’t as good. But man, think about all the places and things they did in this episode. Felt like sooo much of the trailers have now been covered which is amazing bc it means we will be seeing soooo many new and surprising things still to come. The character interactions and acting are absolutely top notch. Kevin and team need to take note and see how they can achieve the same level of success with all of their other projects. This is top Marvel content AND there are no traditional superheroes to be found, which is the coolest part. I don’t think anyone would label Loki a superhero. Most of what he accomplishes could be done without his powers any ways! Can’t wait for more!
I love key lime pie! It’s like one of the best pies. And it’s tart, not sour
Small thing, at 28.25 in the episode, U should notice that in Episode 1, the Sacred Time Line after being forced down the Loom was streamlined, and in episode 2 you could see the Time Line starting to deteriorate.
Key lime pie is tart, not sour. Love the channel! Thank you for such a comprehensive deep dive.
You can tell Loki was turning on "Villain Mode" by his voice. When he talks with a little more gravel, a lower register, just a little more sharp, he's in Villain Mode. It's unclear if he did this intentionally the first time or lost it like Mobius, I tend to think it was intentional though. It was definitely intentional the second time when he went in to interro-torture X-5.
Loki can control himself now, he uses his villain self as a tool now, and use it to his own benefit ! He’s best of both sides .
It's actually really interesting seeing this character driven episode, it plays out like a homage to old cop dramas, that its something strangely enjoyable to watch and appreciate the mundane in such a fantastical genre show! It's cool and almost surreal to see Loki as a suave James Bond kind of guy now, but I do love the moments where you do see the Hannibal Lecter currents hiding beneath the surface. The Dark Urge in Baldur's Gate 3 just lurking that if you push Loki too far, he will not hesitate to inflict max damage on you. Loki actually held it in pretty well and I was surprised that it was Mobius who lost it this time. That you can see that Loki has matured as a person that though he was taunted with his insecurities and failures, and he is a guy with some what arrested emotional development, he actually could take it. I mean, yeah he said that his breaking point was funnily enough, throwing Tony Stark out of the window, and he means that casually like as if its something normal people would do. But also credit to Tom Hiddleston having a ball doing the interrogation torture sequence. And Owen Wilson for just yeah being Mobius. It's interesting that Mobius is actually scared of seeing a good possibility, because he's so fearful it may turn out good and that he'll be sad, and want more and what's out there. So he rather not know. Like I always remember the line from Hellboy 'I sleep good not knowing'. The interaction between Loki and Mobius is such a cool buddy thing. I think they get on because they don't really judge each other and just accept.
On the other hand, the interaction between Loki and Sylvie is yeah when you know its the 'lovers awkward', its cute. Because they both honestly really like each other but they're also really shy to say so, but its also a complicated relationship because they have very different ideologies. Loki's mindset has changed and evolved, that he understands why there needs to be 1 timeline, I mean yes, free will is cool but also there needs to be order to some degree, full chaos has no purpose. At least order has purpose. But he also doesn't believe in stupid unquestioning order, like forcefully blowing up timelines to preserve 1 timeline, like sure, last time he'd used to do that, but he understands and he's learned to think about other people. He could have been killed on a non-sacred timeline because he's a variant and technically shouldn't exist, but he's alive. Sylvie still wants to chill and do her own thing, but Loki is trying to convince her to support order instead of be her full chaotic self. But of course, her life experiences has traumatized her and she just hates the TVA period because of all they've done to her, ask her to fight for the TVA? Nonsense right? But I think secretly, it will reach a point she will get bored of living in her perfect 'barbie land' and she will have to face up to things and care about what's happening around her.
At least they've fixed Loki's time slipping problem and he can interact normally. But yeah, I can see that Loki is actually quite liking this strange public service/ government kind of life. I mean we laugh at office life but he's taken an appreciation for the mundane. It's more relatable, more human, sure its not big, dramatic and over the top, sure there are still catastrophic issues, but there's something more humbling about it. He's not just working as a lone wolf, he's learnt to work with others and with friends towards common goals. Perhaps he'll be the new boss of the TVA? Who knows?
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This show shines most with the cast and dialogue, i don’t care about the plot that much I just like these characters
Dox said “the time keepers were fake but their warnings were real”, seemingly referring to the warning from season 1 in all of the TVA propaganda about the timeline branching. Pretty simple actually.
I fear this is going to be the new "Mephisto". 🤣
My theory is,
1. After being defeated by Ant Man, Kang was sucked by the probability drive and transported to the 19th century, where he renamed himself Victor Timely and changed his purpose: to create one singular timeline.
2. Kang (as Victor Timely) then invents the temporal loom, but he only has 19th century technology, that's why TVA's design is rectro tech. (This is also the point of existence of the TVA)
3. Loki and Mobius visited Kang(VT) after he created the device. If you've seen the time travel short film Room 88, this is what's happening in Victor Timely's timeline from his point of view.
4. Ravonna Renslayer also went to Kang(VT). This is probably why she left Tva in Loki S1 (She was instructed by Miss Minutes, so perhaps this is something Ravonna must do, She was the fail safe).
5. Loki S2 Event (Loki's time loop, loki prunes himself to fulfill the loop) Ep 1 is actually Ep 7!
6. Kang (VT ) saw the upcoming events, the branching of timelines, the overloading of the temporal loom, and he realized he needed Sylvie and Loki together because he needed those moments to happen, he needed to be visited by these people to complete the loop. (so Sylvie was kidnapped later in time, and He who remains killed by Sylvie at the end of time that's why he who remains says "See you soon").
7. Ravonna Renslayer was stuck in 19th century or maybe she's willing to join Kang (VT) in that time to help in creating and running TVA.
8. And then there's the time keepers era, the Loki S1 event, Loki and Sylvie at the Citadel, and so on, until it all happens again (Time Loop)
*Meaning this is all part of the ouroborus. A time loop itself, and if this breaks, there will be multiversal war. I believe they have to lose for the events of Kang Dynasty and Secret War to happen.
*There was an ouroborusception going on here, first with Loki's time loop, then Ravonna's time loop, Kang's time loop, Sylvie's time loop, and the main MCU's time loop.
I don't know, what you guys think?
Please let me know if there are any plot holes in this theory
I like it!
The sacred timeline can be observed from any time branches perspective as their own is their principle sacred timeline. I find this such an existential horror... The crazy reality is that no timeline or universe can ever be a MAIN universe. So when, Loki says in the first season, "It's okay, Nothing matters" This says sooo much. Everything matters and simultaneously doesn't matter. Wow I think I'm having an existential and nihilistic crisis of my own...🥺
I'm really enjoying this season thus far and I look forward to seeing how it all plays out. Bring on Episode 3.
I love that Loki, the TVA, and He Who Remains all have a similar theme song. It really shows the link between them and I think supports the idea that Loki should be the one to replace HWR.
I hate to say it but Dox might’ve just been speaking of the TVA / Timekeepers warnings about letting timelines branch but I’d love it there’s more to it.
I completely agree. Simply put THE TIME KEEPERS WERE FAKE BUT THEIR WARNINGS WERE REAL. I agree with u
I think that time in the TVA is happening all at once. When Loki is talking to OB in the past, in the present OB isn't just then remembering, he is currently having that conversation.
this makes sense now that time has frayed apart, the TVA's loom which can't handle all the timelines while weaving one timeline was also what powers and allows the TVA to exist outside of time, thus all of time can now happen all at once
@@blackreaper2247 exactly! Thank you!
Yeah, the way it was edited would suggest it.
This episode was so fun and suspenseful. Super enjoyable from the first and last minute.
Wouldn’t it be so cool if the final episode of this series would set up a perfect loop back to S1:E1 rhyming with the loop snake thing that I don’t remember what it’s called.
Ouraborus
Ouroboros
This show is propping MARVEL waaaay back up. It makes all the other Disney+ shows more relevant. It makes all the Multiverse Saga more relevant. All hail Loki
The one thing that I noticed (and am perplexed by) is that Loki is working with Mobius, B-15, etc. They want to let the timelines branch and be free, but Loki knows that doing so brings all the Kang variants and the next multiverse war. I feel like those ideals are eventually going to cause a rift between Loki and the TVA people
This confuses me too. Shouldn’t destroying the branches are necessary to prevent more Kang variants? But maybe Loki is still trying to find a way to block Kang variants without sacrificing all the lives in the branches?
I think thats the choice that there all going to have to make let everyone be free but also release kang so it gets destroyed anyway, I'm hoping they'll come up with a way to stop the bad kangs once and for all
I know nothing in this show is making any sense
@@keerthichandra376thats not what the OP meant...lol
In Episode 1, Loki was tasked with pruning himself out of all the various points in time and space in order to stop time slipping. So it is presumably him. LOKI is also the one to first call Oroborus "OB" during the time slip. Since OB says "hey, I like that"
I think we need to appreciate how freakin fast these videos come out. U get so many details and record and edit in a matter of minutes
Are you for real lol
TH-camrs get access to episodes early, record and edit days before, and drop the video soon after the episode comes out. They all have talked about it multiple times
Yeah they do it all ahead of time lol if you’ve ever done video editing or created social media content, you’d realize it’s physically impossible for them to do it in minutes.😂
Thank you for having this up so quickly i look forward to these so much, it makes me go back and watch it after your breakdowns
What a great episode so far the best episodes of any disney + series victor timely appearances is looming on OB is definitely one of the most important people in the TVA im puzzled wondering if he's also a variant.
Theory: dox pruned Loki. A sign of the infinity ouroboros on the aforementioned character. Looped looped timelines.
Let me break this down.
Yes Loki knew he had to prune himself to save himself. Future him noticed he he couldn’t. So he manufactured small butterfly effects so that dox when on her, dare I say, genocidal rampage in which eventually would cause her to prune him out of hate but the trickery was that was exactly where and when he needed to be pruned but even he doesn’t know it then. 🤯
if they bombed Sylvie's branched timeline then how come she was back to it like nothing had happened? Or did they reach them before they could bomb it? I guess that would be the case
They never got to her timeline.
This show is the most beautiful thing to come out of the MCU. It looks so good.
Anyone find it strange that 2/3rds of the trailer footage has been shown.
Meaning the next episode is about finding victor timely and Loki re time slipping and ending at a jet ski rental place.
I think this means we’re about to veer into unknown territory once all the trailer scenes are shown
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The 3 Lokis gave me Time Keeper vibes. I can see Loki as the future leader of the TVA. Still can’t wait to see Renslayer confront Victor Timely & find out more about her involvement with He Who Remains!
Doesn't she just mean the Timekeepers warned the TVA about branching timelines and that their warnings were real despite them being fake?
I completely agree. Simply put
@@modifiedprogramjam4830 Yeah it seemed like she was just the stereotypical leader stuck in her old ways
I hear a lot of talk around someone warning Doxx but I heard what she said as "the time keepers may not be real, but their warnings were". Meaning the Time Keeper's warnings about multiversal war
Exactly. I truly believe u are correct!
One thing I really enjoyed about this episode was the choice to use colorful and harsh dialogue. I always felt like the audience has grown up and we deserve to see a more adult like side to marvel.
Honestly idk why they think kids are watching these shows and if they are then I’m quite sure they’re not fully understanding the mcu
That’s exactly why I was thinking, I hope they adapt this type of script writing to future projects
Mobius resetting their memories sounds like a twist I'd never have imagined. That's crazy but would be cool to see him as a villain of sort. Good call
I loved the opening scene but towards the end of the chase I got these vibes that it was being used as a way to get through the episode time. I remember at one point thinking "isn't this loki? He could easily end this in a few seconds" and then he eventually did but it just felt very very slightly longer than it needed to be. Get me back into that tva and the lore man I eat that crap uppppp
I think that as a demonstration of how furious and driven Loki was at that moment as much as anything else - he could have ended it as soon as he tracked X-5 down, but he wanted to demonstrate a point to him.
Naw he was just playing with him remember his name is god of mischief he feeds off doing that
Idk what you mean by trying to figure out who warned her.. Ox’s full sentence was “The timekeepers were fake, but their warning were real” I’m 97% sure she meant the timekeepers warnings were real.. Great breakdown though 👍🏽 appreciate ya
Sylvie will understand at least dox will receive her comeuppance for sure.
Key Lime is the worst pie?!? Detective Diaz, *how dare You? I AM YOUR SUPERIOR OFFICER!*
Loved how the actor playing Casey was cheerful about a fighting AI in the same week He had to fight an AI in lower decks.
Omg Ryan, noooo, key lime is my absolute fav, GOOD PIE!
Key Lime can be nice.
Also, that hue of green is unusual for key lime.
Strange.
Loki running in circles and always losing to make every one around him better version of themselfs reminded me of Doctor Who's Day of the Doctor where John Hurt's War doctor said "Great man are forged in fire, it is a priviledge of a lesser man to light the flames.
ScreenCrush ,The scene where multiple Loki's captured Brad was filmed in front of the same wall that's on the cover of Paul Mccartney's " Band On The Run " album.
I am hoping that this at 14:34 was a reference to a great Beatles song about loneliness and wanting to be somewhere else, a way of saying that Brad is trying to that you usually don't hear:
"He's a real nowhere man, sitting in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere plans for nobody. Nowhere man, please listen. You don't know what you're missing."
Mobius being the low-key "villain" would be absolutely wild, and I for one am here for it!
Although Star Wars was released in May 1977, it didn’t make it’s UK premiere until Dec 1977, and given that they are not wrapped up all warm, I think it’s correct that there are not loads of Star Wars posters everywhere. Those were the days where those of us in the UK used to have to wait a while to see films that had been out a while in the US, I would presume due to the need to produce copies of the film reels and to ship them to the cinemas.
The scene from S1 when Miss Minutes said, “He thinks this will be more useful,” makes so much sense now! I think He Who Remains lied about not knowing what would happen next and gave files of “Victor Timely” for Renslayer to find him. I also think he planned for Silvie to kill him, the events in Ant-Man, and so far the events of Loki S2. It seems everything is coming true to Kang’s plan, and that's more threatening than Thanos.
The whole X 5 asking about getting them drinks is also kind of a callback to how Tony poured himself a drink in Avengers to buy time for his suit to arrive
❤❤❤❤ this episode. loki is hands down my fav!! can't wait till next week 🤗
Love what you said about Mobius. "[He] wants to be limited with his options, or else he would be overwhelmed with choice."
Key lime pie isn’t supposed to be sour. It’s great if it’s made right, fresh lime and everything.
KEY LIME PIE IS AMAZING!! Wait, am I apart of the TVA??
Eugene Cordero's character this episode felt like another character he plays. Rutgherford from Lower Decks. I couldn't unsee it.
loki literally warns dox when he time slips into the room with them. plus, they already heard everything from when loki and mobius talked. they have recordings everywhere.
When you started mentioning Doctor Who, I thought you were going to mention the same thing I noticed. I thought “Brad Wolfe” was an homage to “Bad Wolf”. I didn’t know Brad and Zaniac were characters from the comics. But still it’s interesting that Brad was possessed by a demon. Sort of similar to how Rose Tyler was possessed by “Bad Wolf”.
If you think about the sacred timeline in season 1, it was a stable time loop, with no beginning or end. What if each branch that survives until the end of time has to then be reincorporated into the timeline somehow, which is why the time loom is now in operation? Like, it has to now grab all of those loose ends, and somehow cram them all back into the beginning of time.
Doug :"I miss the infinity gauntlet". Hahahahahaha too real.
I'm assuming since O.B. says that only the person who built the TVA can get past the locked door makes me think that season 2 episode 3 will be the one where Victor Timely shows up along with Ravonna Renslayer where we'll finally get an answer to if Victor Timely is the same "prime" Kang from Quantomania or not. And Kang will finally get some closure to the "I have lost, you have no idea what I've lost." line from Quantomania since he'll be reunited with either the "prime" Ravonna or a variant of her and maybe he'll use his futuristic technology to restore her memories of him.
Great video Ryan! I think you may be on to something re: Moebius ending up somewhat villainous or wiping the memories of TVA folks. Just thinking of what would put Loki through the emotional ringer the most and they've worked so hard to establish a genuine friendship between Loki & Moebius, Loki's caring about folks other than himself. "It's harder to stay'...I just can't see this series ending with Loki having a best friend, something happens to that relationship.
My Theory for that ASS EATING SNAKE AUROBOROS role in this show - Kang wasn't just speaking to Ravonna during that recording, he was speaking to his advisers Ravonna and Ouroboros. At some point, Ravonna betrayed him, or realized how evil he was and Ouroboros sided with her. They fought, Kang won and erased their memories. They meant too much for him to get rid of so he erased their memories, stuffing Ouroboros in the basement of the TVA so he didn't have to see him. He loves Revonna too much to not talk to her so he still erased her memory but put her as a judge. After this event, Kang withdrew from being an active ruler, made up the Time Keepers, which is why he made it 3 time keepers. Ouroboros gets a maintenance notice to fix the recorder in the War Room, his memories flush back to him and returns to the basement trying to process what just happened and that's when Loki and Mobius come in. Maybe Ouroboros was the one to prune Loki in episode one and he's also some key part of the Kang always coming back into power in the TVA (hence the name Ouroboros) but this time he doesn't play his part he decides to "betray" Kang again and when he prunes Loki he is actively helping Loki to head the TVA.
When Mobius said “I was following you” and Loki said “I was following you”, I said “I have watch the new ScreenCrush video”! This season smacks of future episodes effecting the current ones. In episode 5 and/or 6 Loki and Sylvie will be traveling to the past to effect episodes 1 through 4. Ouroboros.
8:02 I wanted to note the contrast between the way he's pretending to warn Mobius here, compared to the way he's trying to warn Mobius about He Who Remains in Season 2, Episode 1.
The "warnings" are from the timekeepers. Dox was just saying that even though the timekeepers are fake, their [the timekeepers'] warnings were real.
"I love this season; I'm really enjoying how it's all coming together. This is exactly what Marvel needs to do - the interconnectedness is what I adore. The way one storyline seamlessly leads into another is what was missing in phase 4. Like Ant-Man connecting to Loki, and I hope that Secret Invasion and Loki lead to The Marvel movie, and so on!"
season 2 is so beautiful and i just learnt that now Loki have different director