Proof that average players can beat Shadow of the Erdtree's final boss- Elden Ring DLC
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- Thoughts on this boss-
First phase is one of the best Fromsoft fights ever. In the second phase though, things get a bit to flashy and complicated for the sake of being flashy and complicated. Still overall a fun fight and a great final boss I think. Let me know your thoughts down below. Thanks for watching.
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The issue with your point is you're claiming to be an average player
Getting to the end inherently means you are no longer average
@@laary7589 you don’t think most people get to this boss?
@@ColinScott27 considering that most people don't have the achievement for beating mohg I'm Inclined to
Not to mention people that don't play the game because of the intimidation factor which yes is alot yes nowadays but still exists
I'm not by any means good at these games and I did it after 200 tries and it was pure ecstasy. Definitely pushes the boundaries of fairness but it was so satisfying.
Yes for sure, probably the hardest boss fromsoft ever has made, and the second phase absolutely is on the borderline of unfair with some of those bs moves
there is really only one unfair move in my opinion which is the slash slash cross slash that requires literal pixel perfect timing. otherwise he is really a great challenge and a ton of fun to learn and fight
@@snazzycactus6748 You can actually consistently dodge it if you stay glued to his left or right leg, so that when you dodge the first swipe you’re already out of range of the second. But in general I’m not a fan of moves that can only be dodged by positioning.
Glad you had fun.
Soon it’ll be my turn to beat his ass.
Imma have that fun next time I beat him solo, as he will have much less health at NG+7, compared to using 2 NPC summons at NG+6 which I had to do, to complete 2 side quests.😂
On my last rune arc attempt, my TV decided that it was going to switch off in 30 seconds and block my entire screen. The boss was literally 1 or 2 hits away from death and I died because I couldn't see and I was trying to stop my TV from automatically turning off. I haven't been able to get that close since mainly because I'm out of rune arcs. Closest I've got him since is 1/7 or 1/6 of his health left
This fight is all about managing ressources. If u take the holyproof liver, the braids of marika as well as the physical resist talismants, u already cut the damage by so much. Add in the shield grease , u become unbreakable and the holy beams dont do shit. Add in a raptors of the mist weapon to avoid the light and the meteor, and nothing can stop u.
The trick is to find openings to keep your buffs actives
@@narozniakc absolutely agree with you that’s great advice
What if you don’t use shield
With the right shield, the shield talisman, and smart use of a physick you don't even need the liver or shield grease. I fully tanked the meteor with endure and opaline hard tear. The grabs are easy enough to heavy roll through so you can put on a really heavy set if you fully commit to blocking everything.
Raptor of the mist does not work for the meteor crash. I did try it but it has a doble hitbox, so the second shockwave hits you before you touch the ground.
Raptor of the mist does work on Miquella's Light though. I used it to get a couple of free hits.
@@Kloutkultureyou can avoid all his attacks with a medium roll or by jumping in some cases with the small purple meteors. Edit: I don't believe you can time the roll to I frame the big meteor or the ecliptic light ray that miquella does. However, you can distance yourself to avoid those.
Props for not including spoilers in the title, I'm sick to death of small channels doing that lol
Not just small channels lol, big ones too
It depends on skills and build
That's how yt algorithm works.
Bro it litteraly says "shadow of the erdtree final boss" on the tittle, how you wouldn't think that isn't a spoiler warning
@@Ultra_Enjoyer I literally wasn’t complaining about spoilers, dummy
People acting like you can't make a single mistake against this boss to beat him 😂😂
Not on NG+15 I can’t.
Still beat him though. 100% doable.
@@jaredweiman2987 I imagine that applies to many other bosses on NG15+ too?
Scaling stops at 7 lol.
@@lordninetails514 we know
@@shuu1931 The comments above mine aren't we
i literally got him so close to dying last night, like pretty much 1 hit away but i choked last second and died. i was so salty but i just gotta keep my composure and i know its doable
@@flanfrfx darn right man you got this
Even worse for me I used my last rune arc and got him down to 1 or 2 hits then my TV decided to do the automatic turn off in 30 seconds thing which blocked my entire view of the fight so I had to grab the remote so that I could even see but I obviously died and I haven't gotten that close since
Dude my summon killed him before I died, but the death animation took too long so back to step one
ER first timer here. he's the only bossed that made me re-think my approach. from a dex build to a smol shield and tiny shank (bleed) lol. i knew nothing about parrying or his moves but after 60ish attempts i defeated him. so glad its over :)
@@billy820 congrats bro!
@@ColinScott27 ty 😇
Fuck ya man good job. Nothing wrong with mixing up the build thats half the fun of the fights for me.
The biggest takeaway ive gotten from beating him a few times now is that:
He can get to your from anywhere. But you can only get to him if you're close. Don't make space to heal and buff. He can get to you instantly if he wants.
This video is the one that got me through this boss, no cheese, no challenge runs, just straight business
@@Red_Heresy I really appreciate that thank you! I’m so glad it helped!
If they do have cheese, let me know. I making a special sandwich for Radahn right now, and cheese would be perfect
Dude is parrying radhan and calling himself average 😂
@@godaddy9837 😂😂 despite how it seems I am pretty average I just spent hours of attempts on this boss trying to just learn the parry timings of certain moves
Still, you ain’t average bro.
@@godaddy9837 thanks? 😂
If you can learn to dodge an attack you can learn to parry it. Within a couple hours of practice I guarantee even you could Parry Radahn with reasonable consistency.
Honestly at this point I feel like parrying is the easier way of managing boss attacks compared to rolling because if you roll you have to roll all the 2-6 attacks of the combo. If you parry you just stop the boss at the first attack and save yourself a whole lot of hassle
Well yeah I can and I did, but was it good? Should this get a pass because it's beatable?
I don't really care about winning as much as enjoying a fight, and the audiovisive clutter of this fight was not a very good experience, learning when many moves (like the lag attacks) are counter intuitive to dodge, isn't enjoyable either and feels unfair. Messmer is my ideal fight, and this guy is everything he isn't.
I agree Messmer is probably one of my favorite fromsoft fights ever
For me, learning the first phase moveset is absolutely key. Keep close and dodge into him. Literally have gone hitless in first phase. Second phase is trickier with the pillars of light, but it isn't impossible. Again keeping close to him does the trick to avoid most pillars except whenever he does an overhead attack, in which the pillars will come squarely down the middle and catch you if you kept dodging into him.
This is a great boss fight, but I have just a few hang ups with some of the undodgable attacks like the double slash into cross slash that's only avoidable with light rolling. I think the entire moveset of the boss should be dodgable via base movement (Rolling, running, jumping) on light AND mid equip load. Also people forget run jumping exists lol.
Here's what my 'dream nerf' to this boss would be
Damage wise, I think its actually pretty solid so long as you wear the right things. I was having 70 base physical defense when I: Had the Dragoncrest Greatshield, ate a crab, drank the Opaline Hardtear. I was blessing 12ish when I took him on and I just had decent armor. But for those that wear much lighter armors, I'd prob ask for maybe an overall 12% damage nerf on his physical attacks and 18% on his beams/light spells
Obviously, nerf the double slash-cross slash to be slowed down by 2-4% to make it dodgable for mid roll builds in between swings
Reduce the range of the Miq's Giant Light nuke by 8-10% or give us 3 seconds more to run from the circle
Reduce the range the Falling Star phase transition. It's quite literally almost all the arena and there are additional light beams that rain down too. This is prob the only one I'd ask for a significant damage nerf, about 15-25%. (Though I also argue you can just bubble perfume or VotI/Raven's Mist but like I said, I'm only considering base movement here)
Space out some of the light illusion attacks or make them deal no poise damage so you can keep running and avoid the real drop (Except any of the ones that deal with his gravity spells. Those are the easiest to dodge and don't need any changes)
This is a random one and relies a bit on a blend of circumstances, but delay the grab frames of Miq's heart stealing grab. It actually starts really early and if you are both in the air and right in front of Radahn, it can grab you SUPER early (just before reaching the height of his jump) and it looks super jank. Guess who got hit by that lmfao.
Random phase 1 nerf, the range on the earth shatter move needs to be trimmed just about shorter to the back side for Radahn by literally like 2%, it catches me every damn time where it looks like it shouldn't
Pull back the hair of Miq by like three or six hammer units and reduce the lightning a tad, that should fix a lot of problems about seeing his attacks.
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I think with those, Radahn would be a perfect send-off boss. He doesn't need anything crazy just a few trims here and there with maybe a fix up of one really ugly patch of hair. He isn't 'impossible' and if you know how to build right, he shouldn't be oneshotting you even with lighter armor sets. Remember, all your damage is USELESS if you can't stay alive. So if dying is your problem, switch to more defensive talismens and armorsets. Or be a dunderhead like me and memorize his entire moveset to the point where the hair of the second phase doesn't matter because he moved his arm in such a way that I know what attack is coming out lmao. I've been playing since Demon's Soul so I know I'm not exactly an average player, but I'm no means a speedrunning pro and I don't think my advice shouldn't matter just because 'I'm not casual enough'. I hate that, don't put yourself down like that. Everyone can get better if you cool down, stop stroking your ego and ask 'what did I do wrong there'. And if you can't figure it out, upload the footage or show someone else your gameplay that knows the game a bit more and then can tell you exactly what it is. I'm very analytical of my own gameplay so when this boss was kicking my ass, I began studying his moveset and my movement. Anyways great fight dood!
This post is exactly how I feel, an absolutely amazing boss with some hangups but those few hangups can make dying infuriating with how brutal it is. I still had an amazing time with it though and I can't wait to fight him again sometime soon
Hey man, I played through the base game and beat the bosses with summons and my mimic, and the DLC with NPC summons. But when I was fighting Radahn, summoning Thiollier and Ansbach scaled my own damage so bad, and summoning my mimic at the start of the fight always ended with me getting almost one shot by Radahn's spinning gravity attack, that I genuinely wanted to fight him one on one.
8 hours in two days and I did it. Level 150 Strength build, Chilling Mist Greatsword, Buckler parry, Mist Raven Misericorde, level 17 Scadutree Blessing, and I did it.
Yeah that’s the exact reason I decided to stop summoning as well. Congratulations on beating him tho!
I used mimic and Thiollier, Thiollier somehow managed to survive the whole encounter. Probably helped that I was aggressive in keeping Radahn on me while I face tanked him with my Fingerprint Greatshield and Antspur Rapier cold infused.
I love your encouragement. I've been playing souls games since DS3 release, and there were times I thought I couldn't finish them or that the difficulty was unfair. Feel like many of the people saying the dlc is too hard are getting discouraged. This is a good example to show those people.
@@baconshreds1772 I appreciate that’s the main reason I posted this video so I’m glad it got the point across!
Great video and I agree with the description, the most annoying part of the second phase is that it cuts my fps in half (literally from 60 to 30) so those flashbangs are almost seizure-inducing. If I didnt cave in and used a mimic tear I think I would genuinely start to hate it
Thanks I appreciate! And yeah that second phase is crazy on my PlayStations frames, definitely killed me a few times because of the flashing lights. 😂
Anyone who has trouble parrying can try the deflect tear too, definetely recommend the og & new greatshield talismen for phase 1 & 2 respectively with it. I cant parry outside ds1 & find it much MUCH better than parries or regular blocking, something i also rarely used outside ds1. Even if i wish it was just a base mechanic, 5min is enough time to not just fight a boss but also fight most enemies between dungeon bonfires
Great advice right here
The deflect tear is the best addition mechanic of the DLC by far. I love it. But the fight doesn’t give you much space to do anything other than get one hit in after a deflect. So at least with parries you can stance break him.
@@dvillegaspro i forgot to mention your aow button is available whether you deflect with or w/o a shield. The blinkbolt greataxe comes to mind or bloodhound's fang as something to pair with it
Either way, not an auto win option, but basically any character who can carry a banished knight shield & up comfortably can try it out to stay in the fight longer. Hell it feels like the dark souls equivalent to getting the dash in megaman x1 to me, you relearn how to play in a way. Just wish you could access the dlc for it immediately
Dude, that was epic. Awesome skills mate.
Thank you!
I feel like average experience is more blocking through everything as it's mechanically easier. That's what I did since I can't parry. 25 antspur rapier for rot and Latenna summoned in a corner for damage (up until the meteor, there's a bug where summons can disappear at that point since they lose a target) and the fingerprint shield and shield talisman to block every attack. You still need to learn openings to heal as you can be chipped away by all the holy and magic damage, but the grab is the only move that can't be blocked so that's the only thing that needs to be dodged. You can try and time using miquella's rune, but I had attempts where the second grab could happen before I had an opening. In my final run I heavy rolled past every grab so armor weight wasn't a real concern.
TL;DR: heavy armor, big shield, rot weapon, and long range spirit summon help a lot
This is pretty neat, you can see that the fight is doable even if you don't have a super minmaxed build.
This fight also reminded me of Sekiro, at least in the sense that the "safest" position to be is directly in the boss' face
You make an interesting point about sekiro, I agree though you’re right
The antspur rapier with a poison infusion is your best friend in this fight
Can’t go wrong with poison or rot
You mean antspur rapier? Scorpion stinger is non-infusable.
@@darksilversquid9531 youre right i always confuse the two
I did it on a dex build with a great katana (my beloved) and cheesed him in the 2nd phase by applying rot at 19 scadu levels. I think he took me maybe 1-2 hours to kill, but I was just glad it was over. I hated the visual vomit, the arena wide beams, and the frame trap slashes more than anything,
By the way, which game cycle was this?
@@theaveragenormie7151 I can’t blame you there my thoughts regarding fromsoft bosses is do whatever it takes and is fun to win. And this is base ng cycle
Thou is a true tarnished, worthy of Elden Lord, claiming the title as the only Consort. 🙇♂️
Dodging Miquella's grab attack like Aids. Bravo
Verdegris shield and antspur rapier with blood infusion is what finally got it for me.
Spear poking with a tank build saved me from having to parry or dodge, though the holy bleedthrough was hard to deal with since i was fatrolling
There is a Talisman that improves elemental damage reduction while blocking by additional 20 percent in DLC, so you can potentially reach close to 100 %
@@Carsu12 didn't know about that, ty
He’s a god for puttin the gold bug rune on last minute
You're overestimating the average, but yes, i agree
Based on the other comments on this video you seem to be right 😂
@@ColinScott27the Average wouldnt Even try to Parry ig xD
But GG nice kill
Great job, man.
very well done sir
Apart from the impressive parrying, I kinda agree that this would be something your average player would experience.
Dodge a few hits but still get hit by some.
Also, the part where you had no time to get away from the holy nuke was relatable - nothing else to do but stand there and tank it lol
I feel like this boss would be perfect with less health, but it's really not as bad as some people say. His combos are all dodgeable by just sticking to him like glue and rolling left with the right timing,which also means you won't get hit by beams in phase 2, any chip damage you take from clones or beams in phase 2 can be mitigated to nothingness (other than the grounded clone attack which actually hurts a lot) and even the gigantic aoe can be i-framed with raptor of the mists for example, giving you more chances to do damage. He's hard and borderline unfair, but what you need for him is the same skill with positioning and preparation as with someone like Margit.
@@b-d9099 this is all true and solid advice, I agree like all bosses in fromsoft games it can be learned and beaten
before miquella stsrted cosplaying serosh, radahn looked like he was gonna go from starscourge to bloodscourge. Im bummed he didnt have a 2nd phase of his own, with the final taking place anywhere between 25-50% hp
I think there’s a redeemable fight here but I do not enjoy how it’s designed.
I think really if you tone back a couple keys things in phase 2 (anything to even slightly nerf the aoe spam), and maybe decrease his health slightly and he’d be just fine
@@mfspectacular that would be awesome
@@WhiteInk47 I agree
I was unable to understand how to even damage him properly on phase 2, I was losing my mind...i switched one of my talismans to the holy damage negation one and after a couple of more attempts got lucky on phase 2 to finish the fight
@@RxRj congrats on beating him man!
I liked how you realised you were too late to run Miquella's Light so you just blocked it for minimal damage.
IMO the battle is just too much bs. It is doable, but the lightspam does get in the way of linesight.
I did it with a pure dex build that had Blood Backhand Blades today. I had 20 blessing and still struggled quite a bit…
I had to light roll for it and basically learned how to dodge everything from videos and practice.
I had pearl, physical, and marika’s braid on my talismans along with damage reduction from physick tear, so I was really into defense…
I’m not very good at the game, but as long as you stack defense and learn how to dodge it, it will be alright.
@@kaiser9598 yep very true a lot of people are too worried about getting insane damage and they don’t think about defense which is arguably way more important
Boss is a bug learning curve but you just need the right strat. I got him after my 10th attempt with shield and scorpions stinger
What's the shield setup you got?
@@anthonyb.2876 the shield is the twin bird kite shield and the ash of war is carian retaliation which is essentially just a parry, but there’s no real benefit necessarily to this shield I just like how it looks, actually id recommend one with a bit more holy resistance for the second phase
@@ColinScott27Actually Caria Retaliation has better parry frames than the buckler parry. So you get 1 more Iframe on the parry itself and lower recovery frames.
Build breakdown?
If you skip to the end of the video you can see my build. It’s just a your average build in terms of stats but I think it’s important to have high vigor which I do at 60. And then talismans to help with critical attacks since I’m parrying. Weapons are bleed infused milady and miscericorde and a twin kite shield with carian retaliation.
My friend beat him while screensharing on discord using only a greatshield and a spear, not even dodge rolling. After he defeated him, he opened the equipment menu and he'd forgot to equip talismans before the fight
If anyone didn't know, you can keep attacking with the spear while having the shield up, and this approach trivializes most bossfights in the entire game, DLC included. There's only a few exceptions like Malenia since she heals from hits
People really like to complain about the DLC's difficulty, but in all honesty, it's just hurt egos everywhere, the means to not have a hard time were always available to everyone
Yeah lots of people are just unwilling to use what they have to in order to win
what's the first talisman at 5:08? Congrats btw- i'm trying to escape the nightmare of radahn lol
Thank you! And the talisman is the assassins crimson dagger, it restores health on critical attacks, very good for a fight like this in my opinion where healing can be hard to get off at times.
Ya your gonna get one heal off your one riposte lol not good
Actually no it gives you two and both are pretty large you can see it in the video
Ngl Impenetrable thorns goes hard in this fight. Still have to look for openings to use it. And make sure you're built to resist phys/holy damage.
Edit: I also did not know you could parry some of the phase 2 attacks
It took me 10+ hours of trying but I did it, great katana so a little bit of bleed to help but not an insane amount, level 180 and 18 scadutree. The second phase just takes too long to learn and get into your muscle memory.
What ng is it?
Base ng
No average player ever parries. You've spent hours learning its moveset so definitely not an average player.
Well I appreciate it, but I’m average in that I’m only decent at this fight cuz I spent so long on it
Dang bro, i'm learning a thing or 2 from here
No average player is parrying that well nor rune arcing mid fight lol
You are clearly not average.
Thanks man 🙏, if only the girls told me the same thing 😔
I think after you beat the final boss you are not considered an “average player” anymore 😅
The real issue is the blinding lights in second phase. I wanna see the sword movement these thing fucking purposefully blinded the player
@@LyllianaTV this and low key the hair gets in the way too lmao
well done! now thats how you play the game.
Bold of you to assume the average player can time a parry
There is a move in the second phase that Im thinking is literally impossible to dodge.
which one?
@pieceoftrash184 The one where he quickly flies up and back in the second phase and then does the 3 quick after image attacks in a row following up with the final AOE gravity one. It obliterated me everytime. BUT, luckily I just wooped his ass about an hour ago. Happy as hell.
I uses a shield with this boss, it helps so much
If you dodged, you’re not an average player
I've played and beaten every single souls game and love them.. have never complained about their difficulty. This is the first time I honestly believe they went too far. I was not having fun anymore after 100 tries and just wanting to complete a great overall experience. I had to resort to cheesing for the first time to get past this. Really dislike this fight and won't even bother with it if I do another play through.
Im not really good at Souls games, but as a matter of fact Elden Ring was my first. I beat the final boss by parrying as well, rot really helps in the first phase but could not do it in his second phase.
@@gabrielaguilar7606 congratulations man!
comparing my and your gameplay, i basically tanked all attacks i was literally wearing the most poise and defense sets in game and was also wearing heavy defense talismans, while as you are wearing average armor and actually dodging attacks, you are not average
Wait did you just dodge the jesus beam?? How?
You mean the big one he does at start of phase two? If so, whenever he starts doing it run away until your out of range, if you can’t make it, block with a shield or whatever your holding
@@ColinScott27 at 2:55 you somehow dodge this attack close distance but hooow 😢
@@andybeephotographyI didn’t dodge it I just blocked with my shield to minimize damage. If you look at my health it goes down some just not a ton. You can actually use shield and block lots of the light attacks in this phase.
@@ColinScott27 aaah now I see, I was just confused because of the upfollowing dodge-roll that you made, but I didn't look at your health bar. So for lvl1 (or even no-hit) runs that tactic's not possible. From what I've seen so far, it's impossible to dodge that attack or even outrun it if he attacks very close distance. Bubble tear could be an option in this case of course.
@@andybeephotography yeah it’s definitely hard to avoid from super close, they’d just have to start running away the minute they saw him start doing it
My goal is to beat him with a sword and dodging in the future. I had to use a thorn build which basically takes the fun out of it. I think The developers out did themselves!
That’s a good goal bro!
Aye i used this same strat gg bro!
@@thedarksoul234 thanks man you too!
Average player? The boss dies in 2 more hits and you still keeep it cool. No average players can do that
I think the reason most people are complaining is because they are using their NG+ characters characters that are probably on their 5th or 6th run, probably even max stat character on the NG7. These guys are fighting insanely boosted bosses and enemies.
I just started over with a new character, and the dlc was easy.
NG+ doesn't seem to affect the DLC much.
That is not average player. those acrobatic skill to avoid the hit is not easy to pull off….
That vigor is not 60. Any "average" player would be at 60 or below. Also, you're taking too little physical dmg, meaning it's either you're a higher level, have a 20/20 scadutree blessing, or both. There is no way the physical damage he's dealing would be so low as well as the holy damage.
I did learn he could be parried, though, something I never tried due to him wonking my health for every hit, meaning that even if I tried a parry and failed, it would be almost death.
Overall though, it's a good fight. But definitely nothing "average" here.
@@yrazu05 it’s 60 vigor with morgotts great rune, the physical damage and holy damage are low because I’m wearing good armor and defense talismans, I show my setup at the end of the video,
And yes you make a good point parrying him isn’t always easy and it took me tons of tries to even get close to getting the timings down but the point is that if you try and learn it yes even average players can parry and beat radahn
I appreciate you saying it’s a good fight tho and thanks for watching man
@@ColinScott27 Not sure what to say about this. I have been summoned and have seen a well equipped hosts get almost one shot when "tanking" his hits. And certainly almost a thing during the 2nd phase with the holy attacks. So again, either luck, higher level, but certainly nothing "average."
@@yrazu05I think when summoning or being summoned the boss scales higher with having multiple people in the fight but I could be wrong, feel free to look at the end of the video where I show my stats though
As a "good" player i can tell you that this fight is tougher than the mayority of the base game bosses at level 1. I really think you could pull of a level 1 run in a lot less time than you'd expect
I appreciate that maybe I’ll give it a shot and put it on this channel
No average player parries or dodges like that. I am an average player. And I did beat it, but you are indeed and above average player. Congratulations
Well thank you, but it could be just that I put lots of time into learning the moves in first phase especially, I wouldn’t say I’m at all good at phase two
He's easy to parry. So far I have these on my reasons why he's not that hard of a boss list:
The Boys (summons)
Electroperfume
Parrying
Bloodhounds Step (I think fromsoft forgot this Ash of War exists when they made the DLC because all bosses are super easy with it)
Piercing Fang
@@willienelsonmandelayeeehaw2203 That’s fair and I do love me some good piercing fang, but I think the difficulty for people lies in doing it without those things
Light rolls also easy mode. That's not even a skill. Do fat load and still hitless. Now that's true skill.
(or you're just bulshtting)
Yeah, of course an average player plays like that
I wish I could parry like average elden ring player 🥴
You just need to become parry god which most “average players are not 😂😂😂
I'm not an average player since I've played every from software game, and trust me, is difficult for me to parry enemies, now, against Radahn I can't even dodge his attacks and I will parry him 😂. I beat the boss, but using a shield.
Dont worry i parried this boss and i missed that left cross slash everytime too haha
It’s a tough one lol
All you poor bastards using shields lol
Didn’t watch further than 5 seconds, as any casual wouldn’t have as much viger Plus rolling the first swing? Also no magic spam? Not very casual looking are we 😅
Average players not gonna parry radahn bro, we end summoning mimic and ansbach so we not sitting there for over 100 tries.
😂😂
I think it still kinda says something about the boss that the average player either has to learn to parry them over hours of attempts, or use a great shield and poker.
I understand limiting the builds and strats to best the boss, but there are two that are effective. And one requires a fair amount of skill.
Very true
You do realize that you aren’t an “average player” if you go so far in the DLC? To the point where others may quit while you stayed till the end?
Yeah maybe that’s true but just want to show that you don’t have to be like a pro player to beat this boss you know
Noice noice. I dont know why but i find Malenia harder
Parry spaming is not doable on every build, but it makes his attacks easy as hell. I get the point of the video, but parrying is not every player. If anything, i feel like it does make him a lot easier. He's not impossible, there's just things about him and his fight that are bad. Also, what did fromsoft do to the AI, especially in that fight, they lobotomised the Ai it feels.
Definitely some issues with this boss for sure
Ngl with those parry skills you seem slightly above average to me
I appreciate it 😂😂 but it could just be because I spent so many hours trying to beat him
Ggs that’s amazing. Bet your heart was in your mouth when he had 0 health
@@juxepe1845 oh yeah dude I was sweating bullets 😂😂
WOW
That's not an average player
Is just so cute compared to ng7
- Level 186 - “Average Player”
Ok .
he's probably on NG+ which honesly makes it more difficult overall
Getting to level 150 from base game alone is easy so getting to 200 let around 180 should be easy with how much runes you get from the dlc
What point are you trying to make
I beat it solo in 30 attempts and im no means a pro, malenia far harder i am 50 attempts in malenia still no solo kill
Yeah she’s still insanely tough
You literally take low damage. I die with two hits in his 2nd phase
Yeah I have good armor and defense talismans on, they make a huge difference
@@ColinScott27 I do the same, but I see no difference
@@duds5131 how much vigor do you have?
@@ColinScott27 60
@@duds5131 are you in ng+ or anything
Average player? Sure
I suck at using carian retaliation huhu
People say this is Fromsoftware’s hardest boss, but I firmly believe the Orphan of Kos is harder. The fact that it has the ability to cancel animations is what makes it much more difficult. I guess it depends on what kind of difficulty we’re talking about, since it is different for everyone. I personally feel more afraid of the Orphan than Rhadan
Nah man, Orphan it's the same, with parrys it's ez
Laurence for me
You are not an average player
Hmm, seems average to me...
imo half the fun of Elden ring is just to build craft a build suited to you and to the boss
Preach brother 🗣️
I beat him at lvl 185 so i'm actually 0,001 percent better than you. JK, gratz
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While its true, dude, you are far from average 😂 Average player wouldnt go as far as using parries effectively or swapping weapon for stronger critical, but they would probably summon an ash
Sees you parrying, average scrubs dont know what parry is...hmm all the more liar ahead 😂
Another poke to death spammer
Ok and? You learned to parry and avoid its attacks, congrats, same here, its still a terrible fight with way too much visual clutter and some of the most unfair, aggravating abilties in any boss ever. Its bad, im sorry but its bad and as a fromsoft fan it hurts to see an entire community on its knees desperately defending a bad boss, because fromsoft is going to see that and they wont learn their lesson for future titles
The boss isn't bad, you are.
It's bad design plain and simple, Orphan of Kos is a prime example of exhaustingly hard but good, Consort Radahn is just shit, but if you wanna ride FromSoft meat that hard I can't stop you @@philnewman8831
@@philnewman8831 Nah its pretty bad. And i beat it no parry no summs no status effects
I don't think he's necessarily trying to say it's an objectively good boss, I'm pretty sure he's just trying to prove it's beatable
@@GoonGoesLityes exactly