LeBron or Curry more likely to win ring, Tatum the next face of NBA, Doc Rivers | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- The Los Angeles Lakers return from the All-Star break to face the Golden State Warriors in the Bay Area. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes debate whether LeBron James or Steph Curry is more likely to win another ring. Meanwhile, Jayson Tatum says that being the face of the NBA is "mine to take." Watch as the crew discusses whether Tatum has a legitimate chance of being the next face of the league, then reacts to Doc Rivers asking the Milwaukee Bucks when hiring him: "I don’t understand why you are doing this."
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Someone let me know when the memorial service for Hoang Bi is. Rip to a legend 🙏
The best to ever do it! 🐐
I hate him too😂😂
I’m talking about he was as so consistent . He would drop before first things first would . Nothing but respect
Now is Sol Mega hair
Fr tho 😔shii got me through school got to school
Wildes, the "Bad Boy" of sports television. 😂
Over Chris "Soda Pop" Broussard?
Wildes, is that you? 👀
The Vibe doctor is incredible
Lmaooo the shot at JJ redick in the beginning 😂
the pick and roll comment? what did JJ say?
@@user-wl4xr8lb1eJJ basically said no one wants to talk about the game itself and we just want to debate barbershop talk
ya'll mad at JJ for just speaking facts
@@alexgeorge9533 i dont think thats true at all. I think there are avenues and media for both, but mainstream media is that way. Not all media.
@@alexgeorge9533 JJ speaking OPINIONS not fact, yes he used analytic in some of his point but he push his narrative along with it.
Credit to nick for fronting up with his vocal cords on the brink of oblivion 👏
Nick not screaming like a lunatic is the best thing that's happened this month.
@@MikeSchmidt969Nicks always right tho✊🏾
@@nephhhhhhUuuuuuhhhhhh, no.
@@danabuch324for the nfl this guy doesn’t miss. Wether you like him or not😊
@@Noahlaso_lol
Wildes the bad boy at his private school vibes lmao
Lol
Over Chris "Soda Pop" Broussard?
@@marcusaurelius5149 Soda Pop is the bully shaking you down for a quarter so he can use the vending machine. Legend has it, he was born with a grape soda in hand.
Nicks beef with JJ is hilarious.
JJ takes the players side wayyy too much but watches wayyyy more tape than Nick.
Tbh sensing Nick's interest in the NBA waning a bit now that LeBron isn't at the forefront. Especially with what the Chiefs just did.
@@timocruz510and Luka isn’t a contender so he’s probably just more into the chiefs right now
Nah Doug Gottlieb is the one who can’t enjoy JJ’s come-up lol
Nick’s ears were burning when he heard Redick talking.
Nick’s clown Jokic take is exhibit A
JJ has never even acknowledged nick what beef lol
If you only watched shows like this you’d think there were only 6 NBA teams
That’s what Richard Jefferson says. Sports TV shows. We’ll talk about the most popular six teams, and the most popular 10 players.
Because those teams get eyeballs on the screen. It's just facts man.
They talk about what gets the ratings and keeps them on tv. Common sense
Let’s talk about pistons then lmaoo
you want them to talk about DET and Wizards?? 😂😂 nobody gaf about them. ofc they’re going to talk about the best players, no matter how good/bad their teams are
ESPN and FS1 have the same Laker Warrior talking points for the day...
I mean what did you expect bro lol
“Don’t tell the bad boy how to act, I don’t listen to anybody”😂
nick putting the lakers above the wolves and clips is wild lol
Clippers I could agree, wolves could never lose a regular season game and I would still think they’ll get bounced in the first round
@@kirkmaxwellofficial that still doesn't mean they are not above the 2024 Lakers lol
@@davesears9681 All those teams fail in the playoffs, Utah was the first seed and got blitzed in the playoffs. It's just that dumb people never learn
@@pavlegrebenarevic382 nobody is saying they are going to win anything. we're comparing them to the Lakers. the Lakers are terrible. this is such a dumb conversation
@@davesears9681 They are terrible, Wolves in the playoffs are just worse than terrible
i love this show. all three hosts just gel so well together. give good arguments, allows each other to speak and give their opinion. and they all seem very balanced, again love this show.
Realistically probably neither of em will win another
Warriors won 22, lakers were nuggets away from 23
@xavierb9061 The Lakers got swept by Denver, lmao
@@averageguy1291 thats what nuggets means
@@averageguy12914 piece nuggets dude
@@averageguy1291lakers only lost by an average of 4.5 points a game. Every game came down to the wire 😂the finals was lakers vs nuggets last year lol
So happy listening those guys talking NBA! Brilliant discussion
Nick is a goof for this. Addressing something lacking in basketball discourse on a show that has a huge cultural influence on how we talk about basketball is EXACTLY how you change the narrative and raise the bar on causal basketball talk. You don’t have to be a smart a** and say x and o and defend the pick n roll. Let’s discuss ACTUAL basketball schemes and plays styles and matchups rather than dumb narrative based topics. As a basketball fan I want the major shows to become more observant to the actual game because we got way too many casual fans and that’s why you get a Dame Lillard as an all start starter because nobody knows real ball and left Brunson out.
Nah buddy. If you think the skip's and stephen a's are in control than you're simply wrong. The masses make them, not the other way around. If you wanna see actual plays and schemes then go where they do that at. I'm grateful for legs, and jj, but its weird for me to expect everyone to just do what i like. Basketball is a sport, its entertainment, and its not the end of the world that most people are into on a surface level. This literally goes for everything in life.
@@xcwilliams7980 if you think JJ reddick went “too deep” you need to stop watching basketball 😂 he went 1 foot below the surface and nick started freaking out because anything less than surface and he can’t even converse. It goes both ways, you can be entertaining and educational. Keep all the antics but also talk scheme. JJ is showing you just how it’s done and it’s clearly getting millions of views. My issue isn’t what I want to see, I alresdy tune into the places that do that. My issue is the dumb mind numbing surface level stuff ruins the game and I gave you an example how with dame and Brunson. And there’s so many more examples.
@@him4882 You are missing the entertainment part of it. Most fans arent interested on anything past the stats sheet. If you think you enjoy NBA more if you know about scheme and playstyle, then go for it. But stop acting like its something so important that viewers missing out if they dont know it. Worry about yourself and how you like it, stop telling other people how to enjoy their choice of the topic, and acting condescending like JJ does toward people.
@@tigera6 I won’t stop because it’s ruining the game
@@him4882 No, whats currently ruining the game is how star players resting, how the lack of defensive effort as well as the defensive rule are, and how the refs keep screwing around during the regular seasons. Those things hurt the NBA more than your view about certain aspect of the game. If you think its more important to bring up how defensive scheme and rotation, then be my guest.
Nick Wright’s voice sounds like he finally finished puberty
Still got the immature too opinionated "Im always right" takes
Nick Wright lost his voice yelling "Defense" at the All Stars game.
@@marcusaurelius5149no, he was choking on lebrons 🥜s
@@joebidens_touchyhands9477This is the immature talk that is ruining sports discussion.
Just yapping your gums.
@@samm552 Oh, you wanted to have your tonsils seduced by lebrons 🥜s. Got it. Jealous are ya huh 😂😂
The conversation for the face of the league started really well, and took a nose dive when Nick brought out the tiers.
It's about being iconic, not the best. There's no tier for that, you have to have IT. It's more like a boxing title, once you get it, someone has to take it from you.
Wemby is the only candidate right now, the great players right now are too close to eachother to get ahead and take that title, none of them trully feel iconic or era defining.
Nick's life depends on stuffing Luka's sausage inside his mouth, because all he does is come up with new and contrived reasons to overhype a dude who only jacks up threes and plays no defense. That's why he's gott pretend Luka's MVP votes put him over a guy who's a perennial title contender and already outselling him in jerseys.
One of the best episodes in a while. Great points by all analysts 🍿
Please can we chill with the “face of the league” talk it’s so boring , there’s actually basketball stories right now to cover
I have to agree
Im not convinced LBJ would leave LA. Nor do I think he would take "less money".
He would only leave for a place like New York or Miami, because both are business cities.
He will once his soon gets drafted by a team
He already said he would when his son is drafted
Great segment, thanks.
Nick new voice is cool.
He looks likes he’s got covid
He just hit puberty
Finally
This the best nba talk on the internet. Guys are super reasonable and smart. I love you guys.
How does someone not give them a separate platform
Should replace undisputed if we are being honest
@@CashMoolah00 undisputed is still good
Facts you can't be called *First* Things First and come on at 3pm east coast time@@CashMoolah00
Against contract. Just wait. Skip is playing the long game with this. In two years hes gonna rip these guys apart
@@armstrongedo8505No
19:30 I remember wildes last yr saying the bucks main headline was jersey fix and now this year look at the drama
I have to put that on the coach. A good coach can iron out those differences and keep the drama down.
They were smoke and mirrors before Doc. Their record was good but NO one believed thats why they fired the coach
@@Theinsideoutsiderso they were smoke and mirrors before Doc and they’re just plainly not good after Doc. What an upgrade
This show is the best, love the way you guys just talk like friends and don’t scream on top of each other
How many 3rd options are their best versions of themselves?
Ray Allen’s production and shots plummeted when he played with the Celtics.
Compare Allen, Love, Bosh and whoever 3rd star and tell me how it’s that much different.
I’ve said exactly what Broussard said, as a Bron I think he needs to focus on two things whether it’s scoring and passing or scoring and rebounding but not the all around unless it’s needed.
ALLEN IVERSON WAS A ICON. TMAC WAS POPULAR AS WELL
I wonder what Nick's answer will be
Great points made by all three today
Great segment
Good conversation, but still went overboard talking about LeBron and the Lakers. Carry on!
If the Celtics win it this year, Tatum will be a top 3 player in more people's eyes. I already think he is top 5.
Great point wildes
Wildes made a great point
Its up to both front offices, they both stuck between winning now and buidling for the futures
After hearing Wise talk if Steph was to choose Boston 2 years OMWorld
Nick Wright picked LeBron in a debate? SHOCKER!
Well he's kind of right, if Wiggins had finally turned the corner like we thought he did when they won the title than would be Steph, but GS looks ordinary right now. Not sure if it's stagnation but they no longer really look like they have the drive anymore.
@@parkinsawlakers are just as bad as the warriors kid. Lmfao 😂😂
@@Heatpad.Murray1 Yeah but the difference is the Warriors had just recently won the title with this squad (which they are stuck with for a few more seasons)
Question was who is more likely to win another of the two (Lebron has options, Curry not so much)
*Unless he pulls a Harden but I doubt he would ever do that
It's freaking insane that Nick convinced himself that a dude on the border of retirement has a better chance of winning again, and the fact he has to convince himself that Steph would never go to another team, despite still having SO much more in the tank, is hilarious.
Finally some hoops talk
For real
Bb sucks, football is superior
I personally would like to see that happen
I didn’t realize this till now but Giannis don’t get brought up enough in the potential successors to Bron and Steph as the head huncho convos. Giannis used to get pushed like crazy his first two mvp seasons but that stopped.
Despite that push stopping, he’s been:
- top 3-5 in jersey sales since the 18/19 season
- top 2-4 in all star voting since 18/19 (lead it this year)
- confirmed by Nike in multiple shareholders’ earnings reports to not only have their most successful silhouette launch, he’s also onna their biggest money makers in the basketball division (Nike also views him as onna their key drivers for growth in the future)
- has a Disney+ movie and a new Amazon Prime movie that just came out
- was top 5 in digital viewers last year across all the nba’s platforms last year (9th this year tho from the most recent available numbers)
- was tied with KD for 3rd in endorsement earnings at 45M (Steph was 52M and Bron was 75M)
Tho he is 29 so he’d prolly be classified more as onna the current faces (but below Bron and Steph) he won’t have time to succeed Bron and Steph unless he has Lebron type longevity. The nba shouldn’t have stopped pushing Giannis cuz they wouldn’t be struggling to find the next guy if they didn’t stop. I will say tho, if Giannis left the Bucks like the media was pushing for they would’ve sent him to the stars and back
Iverson not being mentioned is crazy he was definitely a face of the league
No he wasn’t… 😂
Wildes bringing that A game today
is Nick's voice hoarse?I thought my sound bars were broken. Shout out from Romania.
Nick, Kuminga is already a beast at 21. 2nd best player according to Draymond Green. I wonder who I should take more seriously Nick Wrong or Draymond Green.
That’s a great point by Nick about the levels when it comes to being the face of the league. Piggybacking on Wildes point of being unique. Jayson Tatum is just phenomenal but it’s nothing that we haven’t already seen. Jokic, Giannis, and Embiid would be the face if they actually wanted it.
Kinda disagree jokic is closer to Duncan than shaq. Big men are typically not the face for a reason. Guards and wings unless the big man is a unicorn like Shaq and Wemby.
They actually made crummy arguments; Wilde's claim that the face of the league must bring something different… makes no sense; it implies that fans are comparing players from the past to the current generation, just to decide if they should be the face of the league. Now, I don't know anyone who was looking up players from the 60s and 70s to figure out if Jordan was doing something different enough to deserve their fandom; nobody does; Wildes usually has solid takes, but this is just the result of them not having a solid idea of what it means to be the face of the league.
Nick is plain and simple a hater of anything that has to do with Boston; always has been, even if he has to deny it. I bet Nick saw Wildes bring up jersey sales the last time they had the FotL argument and barred Wildes from bringing it again, because it wrecks his arguments. Basically had to be arm twisted into admitting Jayson was a superstar, but still keeps moving the goalposts to put him below lesser player who have achieved way less and whose game is eons behind Tatum's.
Y’all the best!
They tall the topics from first take lol
Sick Nick is the best
At some point, Golden State owes Steph another chip before the end of the day. They need to make that happen. I would focus on that if I was management
steph is still good enough to be the best player on a title team and LeBron hasn't been for a while. a better question would be who is more likely to lead a team to a title. because in reality either guy could force a trade to wherever they wanted in a heartbeat
what role players thrive with lebron lol? everyone gets worse with lebron. kyrie is the one exception i could find. shooters shoot worse with lebron. rebounders get less rebounds on his team. he makes everyone worse.
Anthony Davis didn't win a ring without him did he? Kcp says no.
Some spot up shooters see higher efficency gains which is predictable as Bron gets more attention. Kyrie is the true outlier in the Bron makes his teammates better myth. AD is also impressive with Bron however Bron is more diminished than in his prime. People try to down play bosh when he was a top 10 player in the league before joining Bron. People also forget than the year before joining Bron Kevin love was a top 5 player in the league. Kyrie wasn't even a role player before Bron. He was already an allstar and was coming into his prime when he joined Bron.
Just off the top of my head do players like Austin Reaves,KCP, Malik Monk, Caruso etc. not exist? Also how is shooters missing wide open 3’s somehow LeBron’s fault lmaoo
@@AllBackends Austin Reaves has only played with Bron so his success to this point has no frame of reference. Malik monk monks efficiency dropped off a bit but his ppg are almost the same this year as his year with james. The biggest difference is monk started more and played more minutes. Alex never tried with Bron. His highest ppg was with Bron on fewer games than half a season. So it is hard to say it's sustainable. Again efficency was a bit up bit hardly thriving.
@@Tha_Trigga did Bron ever win a chip without at least one other superstar? No. 2010 Chris bosh and wade were both in the top 11 players in the league at a minimum. In 2014 kyrie was already an allstar and love was a top 5 player in the league. 2019 AD was already an established superstar
Or both? Why we leaving out when they both said that they'd love to play together?
I would totally let Wildes check my vibe
Bosh was 18 and 8 in Miami, don't sleep on Bosh.
But Tatum already has the 2nd largest jersey sales behind Curry. This means people like him. And if people like you better than everyone, how are you not the face of the league?... 🍀🍀
Because the skills have to match that if he came in top 3 in MVP consistently or at least for a few years then that will happen but 2nd in sales but 6th-8th best player ain’t the face of the league
because whoever is the face of the league has to accept that role.
@@shanerobinson925 he finished 4th last year and has a chance to win it this year if he puts together some signature performances and finishes with by far the best record in the league. I agree with you, but I think he’ll become that guy.
Ja Morant and Wemby will be the next faces of the League and it's not even close
it's cause he plays for Boston and Boston is really good and Boston people love the Celtics. whoever the best player on the Celtics is while they are good is always going to be top 5 in Jersey sales
They didn’t think the warriors could win in 22’ lbs you never know what they can do
I mean if you're gonna take down the other channels at least post all the segments.. 🤔
So LeBron is leaving La? Can’t see it at all.
Bird Magic = 80s
Jordan = 90s
Kobe Duncan Shaq = 00s
LeBron Steph = 10s
Jokic Giannis (so far) = 20s
@@EARiot 🧢
Iverson was da man n 2000s just no ring. But all the players look up to him
@@EARiotyep, the ones that were supposed to be (Penny/Grant Hill) but injuries, and for a time on the courts there was the "who would you rather pick" Kobe or McGrady convo (People seem to forget that)
post Jordan early 20's were a weird time with regards to face of the league.
*Oh and Derrick Rose was also looking like a candidate for the face but again sadly injuries.
@@user-it4yn9vz6c AI was the man… but not the face of the NBA. Not with Kobe around.
@@vitreo1363ur young, high, or both lol.....no chuck means no mamba and thats a fact (bean studied sharks' hunting intensity cuz chuck gave him fits, creating the black mamba).chuck has most shoe sales since jordan no question (no pun intended)....let alone the optics of the braids, tats, sleeve and being yourself unapologetically (also was first to wear tights in the league).....kobe and chuck were essentially yin and yang.....look at all the flack AI gets for just doing him, nothing illegal. while kobe had a case but still came out squeaky clean (of course cuz he was clearly innocent but i mean its swept under the rug in media today).....Allen Ezail Iverson was absolutely the face of the league in the early 2000s along with kobe (like a bird, magic).
In my opinion there absolutely was a Spurs Era, at least. Kinda like Heat Culture, it was an era by committee. A little Robinson, mostly Duncan, some Parker, a little Kawhi, with a sprinkle of Ginobli throughout. They won 5, it had to be right after the Shaq and Kobe era (which wasn't long), and mixed with Lebron's.
Are we getting closer to Wildes eating a pie on live television soon?
Iverson had his era, though fleeting... But totally was the face for a while there..
So we going act like Iverson didn’t have a choke hold in the league early 2000! He definitely was the face of the league before
He still picks the Mavs and Lakers over the Clippers 😅. Mr. Consistency. 😅
Bucks situation is just hilarious at this point. Thanks doc
Yeah, it is pretty funny even their new coach is puzzled by his own hiring.
Not Docs fault. Players play. Unless youre seriously messing up the rotation or calling non existent timeouts coach impact is overrated
@@Theinsideoutsider That might be true, and that's sort of the point. It seems they were hoping Doc would be a massive improvement, but it hasn't worked out that way.
@@alankoslowski9473 yeah, the team just has less chemistry than before. Combine that with big expectations and this is what you get. Their record is somewhat of mirage. If they were in the west they prob be middle of the pack. They feasted on a lot of east conf teams early
@@Theinsideoutsiderit is docs fault. He lowered the sixers potential, doesn’t play younger guys, makes excuses, and has no capacity to make adjustments in playoff games
I'd say both chances are remote at best. Of the 2, I'd say Warriors have the better chance. They need 1 piece to put themselves into the championship comnversation, this year alone. And they just need Wiggins and/or Klay to play their 2022 game to win it all. Remote but not impossible. Lakers? The ONLY reason for them to have any chance is because the NBA WANT them to be champs and if they're close, will pave the way for them, UNFAIRLY.
You forgot that Nick said it wasn't with the Lakers its with LBJ leaving for another loaded team. You know like every other time.
Ain’t no way lakers beating the clippers 4 games
Since when did Nick get some bass in his voice?
it sounds like he is getting over a cold.
Don't tell the bad boy how to act! - Wildes (TV's bad boy)
I don't think we are giving enough credit to how hard Steph works on the court, he's not just spotting up and shooting he's running through like 50 screens and running miles a night
That will definitely be hard as he ages
I think a majority of NBA fans will agree that we do not want to see LeBron join his 4th team and ring chase. If he goes anywhere, it should be Miami, Cleveland, or stay with the Lakers. But really, optically, I think it would be best for him to stay with the Lakers.
I don't really care if he leaves or ring chase....he has been in the nba 20 or more years ......
Dude can do what he wants and take what every money or little he wants...same with curry.
You can’t pose a lebron question to a lieutenant in the lebron glaze brigade (nick wright)
Why you use 3 words just to say "Groupie"?!? 😆....Trying to get creativity with you're hate huh?!? 🤷
Please watch angry old hoops fan. He breaks down, with game footage, how bad leflop is. It is terribly amusing
how did that dude mention magic without larry? dunce cap!
Lakers did make it to the WCF last season so it's not completely crazy to choose Lakers to win this year
Tatum will never be the face of the league, cmon now
Top two selling NBA jerseys: 1. Steph 2. Tatum
Best player on the most storied franchise in the league, consistently a winner, certified baller, doesn't miss games, doesn't have off the court problems. Dude is obviously already popular so it's not impossible.
Well if we talked about current LA and GSW then I think Warriors got higher chance watched after this all-star break they are coming but for Lakers they really need a shooter, right now or this season Klay is playing better or dropping more than DLO and reeves, Klay avg 20+ but for him this is his worst season as for Lakers we don't know when AD will break again and king can't play full season cause of age if he did his playing time will decrease
Wildes went off!!!
Not mentioning SGA is absurd! Put some respect on him and OKC! We're second in the west when some thought we'd maybe be a play-in team!
How did Nick not mention the Clippers in his top 7? Was that deliberate?
What if Bron took the Minimun and signed with either Denver or Boston
Nick said with a straight face he likes the lakers over the clippers 😱 we talking likes or basketball
OKC technically DID make the playoffs last year with the play in
I dont think the play in counts as playoff stats OR regular season. Its its own thing
I lean toward Steph only because he most likely has more years left in the league than LeBron. Steph clearly really loves to play and his game will age well. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him join a strong contender (or attract a star to GS) if he plays for another 4-6 years
Oh yeah, let's talk about the 9th and 10th seed again lol
Nick Wright knows basketball 🏀 he is 💯 percent right with this 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Bron is not a better floor general or passer than J Kidd in my opinion. He was just bigger and more of a threat scoring which opened up more passing lanes.
If Duncan played in Kansas City Nick would be singing a different tune
I too believe that Duncan was the face of the NBA from 2004-2013/4 or so. You could argue that he shared it with Lebron. When I think of the NBA from 2000-2020, I really just think of Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, Duncan, and Steph.
Yea there are at least 3 ppl whonare face of the nba at any given time.....,they left out dominc Wilkins and barely in mj, and Duncan during Shaq and kobe, and wade and stefp during lebron era...
No. I am the biggest Duncan fan. He did not want to be the face, part of why I love him.
This was one of the better discussions on the Great Face Debate.
Pretty crummy, TBH. First thing they should've done out the gate was to define what being the face of the league means, because they all had contradicting standards.
Dam rip
Oh and Lebrun said he’s staying in la smh
Who’s to say Bron won’t go up to the road to San Francisco
Its wemby ?you guys are right about mr big spur being the next face of the league that the nba needs to start promoting along with ja morant and spider mitchell asap .
They gotta win first… Dr. J, Bird, Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Lebron; they don't become the face of the league without the rings. It's a pre-requisite. You can't be the face and get bounced out of the playoffs every time.
What if GSW got the Greek Freak?
You don't have the assets
😂😂... nick picking phoniex or Dallas to possibly win a chip dude is high
So lebron and the lakers need Trae Young, Kyrie and anyone else. To win.
Can the lakers get 6 more stars so they can win. Luke come on!
I would love to see Steph win another one!
Just cause you see posts on Twitter and headlines about players going to LA it doesn’t make it true you do know that?
It would be absolutely hilarious if SGA ends up signing in Golden State after Klay and Draymond retire in the next 2 seasons.
lmfao nick is the best
My top 5 in the nba right now is Jokić, Giannis, Joel Embiid, Jayson Tatum,Luka