Hi @PM5kBlast and thanks for your comment mate, yes me too! I thought the R7 430 would be much faster than it turned out to be. Core clock speed appears to be more important in these low-core count GPUs, as I guess the GPU just isn't fast enough to utilise all that memory bandwidth. Cheers, Bob.
A rebrand of the R7 240, which is basically an R7 250 with lower clocks. The instances where it outperformed the R7 250 are examples of invalid test results stemming from lackadaisical methodology. There was probably some process running in the background the couple of times it performed worse than the R7 430. There is no way that should have happened.
It's a shame that the card was runing so hot, i think a overclock to match the R7 250 clock speeds (or at least get close) would really benefit this card
Hi @BrunoVeineGameplays and thanks for your comment mate. It definitely would benefit the R7 430, but I think it would only slightly exceed the R7 250's performance. Cheers, Bob.
@@yesterdaysram1375 I have R7 450 which it big sister, these cards are already overclocked to max, these official specs are fake that's why they use them on OEM rig since mostly no one will be gaming on them.. to fix heat issue undervolt these card to sustain it OC'd frequency
Hi @R3AL-AIM and thanks for your comment mate. $20.00 USD is what I'd expect a card like this to cost, but for some reason, here in the UK. they're much more expensive. I've just checked, and they're still priced on eBay at around $45 USD. I agree that there's much better options in the price range. Here, you'd be lucky to find an RX 550 4GB for that price, but you'd almost certainly be able to pick up a GT 1030. Cheers. Bob.
@@yesterdaysram1375 tbf, the 1030 isn't a terrible card at that price. Especially for something like an SFF emulation system, I think there is a lot.of value there
@R3AL-AIM Yeah, the GT 1030 is not a terrible card, and would be a go-to for a low profile system. However, I felt that it was overpriced, even on the second-hand market, for the performance it delivered. Prices for this card are becoming more reasonable in the UK, but I think there might better options in the price bracket. I'll be taking a look at these in future videos, when I get there! Cheers, Bob.
I think that because I was researching this video card, the video on your channel came to me. I can't really understand your analysis, I'm Brazilian and I barely speak my Portuguese!! 😁😁 Well, what I would like to say is that this little card is more than it seems!! If you invest in good heat dissipation, it yields surprisingly well!! I play SFV at 60 FPS on custom graphics between ultra and medium and graphics scaling at 80% And look for the HP driver from 2022 (the most recent) that recognizes the card as R7 430 and can increase its voltage to 1000MHz and 1300 MHz in DDR5; also change the FAN curve to something more aggressive! I also increased the power by +20 (Or make a change in the bios right away, trust me, it works!!) Alert!! Don't forget to come up with a good dissipation scheme, I tied an aluminum heatsink and a 6000 rpm FAN to the string and it's working for me here!!! Do this and redo your test and you'll be surprised! Take care!!!
Hi @emersoncherubic626 and thanks for your comment mate. I may give the R7 430 a second chance, I could clean and re-paste my one and see if that brings the temps down. I don't think I'll go down the route of custom cooling, as there are other cards that will perform better and can be purchased for a cheaper price. Cheers, Bob.
Hi @olnnn and thanks for your comment mate. Yes, they did, and if I recall they did publish which cards were compatible with CrossFire on the APU. If the APU was on the motherboard, it'll probably be on the manufacturers website. Cheers, Bob.
Hi @arnaldodaniel1804 and thanks for your comment mate. Yeah, we tend to have to pay a little bit more for things in the UK. I'd say that's still too much, considering it performs worse than an R7 250 and is probably on par with the cheaper R5 430. Cheers, Bob.
Yep, I understand they're much cheaper in the US. Had a quick look on Ebay today, and they're still too expensive in the UK. I purchased a GT 1030 GDDR5 for the same money, and I thought they were overpriced! Cheers, Bob.
The R7 250 is cheaper and performs slightly better. Just because the model number is bigger, doesn't make it better. The 430 is essentially a 250 with lower clocks. You need some fresh paste on the GPU. Should be nowhere near that hot. Your result where the R7 250 performed worse than the 430 was obviously an invalid result. Windows was probably installing an update or something when you were running that one . Did you check clocks to see it was running? I was using an R7 250 in a Windows 10 retro machine for playing games via digital licenses. I upgraded to a 560Ti to stretch my range and provide support for PhysX only games. Someone didn't use DDU when switching between GPUs, I think. If you ran the R7 250 after you ran the Quadro, it would totally make sense. Probably was confused about which driver it was supposed to be using. If you want to do a test like this, reinstalling Windows between GPUs is a great way to get normalized results. DDU is hardly foolproof. Of course, you could have tested the AMD cards on the same driver and then reinstall Windows for the Quadro test. In my experience, you tend to not have issues switching to an Nvidia GPU but then if you want to go back to an AMD afterwards, there can be problems. IDK if the ordering in the charts represents the order in which you did the testing but that would make sense. If you'd done your homework better, you'd know the 430 is a rebranded 240, which is a lower clocked 250 and would have realized your results had discrepancies. Nice try though. I'm sure you'll get it eventually.
Hi @Lurch-Bot and thanks for your comment mate. I have to confess, I did not reinstall Windows after each card. I'm not Hardware Unboxed or Gamers Nexus, and I'm doing this for fun, as a hobby. I did however, completely remove the AMD drivers via Windows Device Manager, and reinstall for the R7 430 benchmarks. Yes, it's always possible that something has occurred in the background to skew the results, if I notice, I do retest to get a representative result. The driver for the R7 250 and R7 430, as far as I'm aware, is the same (AMD R7 200 series) as, like you said, they're the same card with different clocks. TechPowerUp does list the R7 430 as a rebrand of the R7 240/340, however. the AMD R7 240 I have is a slightly cut down Oland GPU with 320 shaders. Also, on TechPowerUp the memory is listed as DDR3 at 1000Mhz, and the card I have uses GDDR5 @1100Mhz. So I've learned to take TechPowerUp as more of a guide than a code. Yes, I'm sure a clean and re-paste would improve the thermals and allow a bit of overclocking head-room, and if it could reach 1050Mhz on the core it would probably perform a little better than the R7 250 thanks to the increased memory bandwidth, but it's just not worth the current asking price. At this price point, there are better options, cheers, Bob.
asus produced one wierd oland gpu r7 240 4gb ddr5 if i am not mistaken this would be the only gcn 1 low end gpu that could pull trough with less stutering since most of those cards is limited by pcie length and have problem reloading textures that stuck in main ram memory but that is only true for hames that overshoot 2gb of vram with textures at lowest detail :]
The 430 is a rebrand of the 240, which is just a 250 with lower clocks. An R7 250 should always outperform it and if it doesn't, something is invalidating your test results.
@@Lurch-Bot i know that but only asus was crazy enough to pair 4gb of gddr5 runing at 1000-1300 mhz on 128bit bus with such underpowered core, they could do it with 260x instead making pseudo rx550 but there is no oficial bonaire /tobago gpus other than workstation grade low power models and yet there is consumer grade 4gb 240 makes no sense for it to exist * correction not only asus made them but it is still a pointless product
Hi @kokodin5895 and thanks for your comment mate. Other channels have covered the DDR3 4GB R7 cards, and say the additional memory isn't worth it as the cards were just not powerful enough to utilise the additional memory effectively. From my testing of the R7 430, I imagine the same would be true for a 4GB R7 240 with GDDR5. Cheers, Bob.
Recently a local store put on sale a r7 250 oc from msi with 5% more clock speed and more importantly a bigger fan and heatsink, considering it is only at 33$ I wonder if I can get it to surpass the r7 430 with some additional overclocking and not toasting the card in the process 😂
Hi @LovelyZaia, the DDR3 on the R7 250 is really going to hurt it's performance, even with a core OC. An R7 430 with an OC would be better, if you can find one that runs cool enough ;)
@yesterdaysram1375 yeah but the thing is that the r7 430 runs really hot (around 92 degrees) when overclocked, or that's what i've seen in other video about the card, probably that little cooler isn't good enough for that, the r7 250 from msi is a dual slot card with a chonky heatsink that was promoted as overclockable
@LovelyZaia Mine certainly ran hot, I might give it a clean and re-paste for another video, see if a little more can't be squeezed from the core. That MSI card is full width, and that gives you more options over a low-profile only card, I'm not sure about your region, but are there not better GPUs in the 30$ range available? Cheer, Bob.
@yesterdaysram1375 sadly there isnt too much other options than the 430 and the 250 at that pricepoint, actually there are only worse cards around that price like a quadro nvs 295
I'll be testing the AMD Fire Pro W4100 soon, that's basically an HD 7750, I think it'll be an interesting comparison to the K620 as they fall into the same price bracket.
Hi @notsabih50 and thanks for your comment mate. I'm assuming you're after drivers for the R7 430, it's an HP part, so there are HP drivers, but you might need to Google a bit to find them. Or, you can use official AMD drivers for the R7 340, as far as I'm aware, it's an identical card. Thanks, Bob.
hi dude you don't have the correct drivers for the R7 430. Amd does not have the drivers for that graphic because it is OEM HP so it recognizes it as a 200 series and not 400 series. Search the internet for the correct ones and redo the test. im from venezuela and I paid $20 for this graphic
Hi @javieramaya8450 and thanks for your comment mate. I did look at the HP drivers, but they appear to be much older than the last AMD release for this GPU. The GPU is exactly the same as that used in the 200 series. Would you say it performs better with the HP drivers? $20.00 is a good price for this card and is in the region of the other 200 series cards in the UK. Cheers, Bob.
Hi @mattblatchley2061 and thanks for your comment mate. £36.00 GBP, or around 45 USD was the most expensive price I saw for one of these cards on eBay. Buying in bulk will be cheaper, of course, and goods in the UK are generally more expensive. I paid £15.00 GBP for mine as it was listed as an R7 250. I don't think this card is worth more than £15.00 GBP, as it's performance is similar to other, cheaper, Oland based cards. Hey, maybe they saw my video and made them cheaper ;) Cheers, Bob.
Hi @eduardwadelerman2007, and thanks for your comment mate. I don't have a definitive answer, but I'm guessing it'll be the same as the R5 430, which is DP 1.2. Cheers, Bob.
when you look at the die size by itself it is a wonder the nvidia card isn't twice as fast as the 430 because the chip is literally twice the size. i mean the k620 even came out way later. disappointment for the nvidia card imo
@@yesterdaysram1375 when you showed the GPU-Z stats it said that the k620 was over 140mm2 where as the two AMD chips (they are probably the same chip tho) are only 77mm2. Also the release date of the k620 was over a year newer than the AMD chips.
Ah yes, I'd forgotten that GPU-Z shows the die size, the K620 is much larger as it uses the GM107 GPU as used in the GTX 750 Ti, which has 640 shaders, but it's cut down to 384 shaders, I guess so they can re-use defective GM107 chips. While the Oland GPU is only manufactured with 384 shaders, so would be a much smaller die.
Here, in the UK, it seems, prices are higher for GPUs. On eBay, sellers are asking around £100 - £150 for a Vega 64, while the Vega 56 is a bit cheaper, usually around £80. I'd expect the Vega 56 to drop below £50.00 before the end of the year, and I'd consider picking one up then. Cheers, Bob.
@@yesterdaysram1375It's good times for buying old gpus on eBay in the States. I recently purchased a super clean Radeon 64 frontier edition for $120, a titan x pascal for $140, and a perfect open box xfx Radeon vii for $230- ouch, could have 3080 super for that price.
Those are nice prices, I'm assuming that's combined for the 3080 right? A 3080 Ti in the UK will set you back £500.00 second hand, it's a good card at that price though.
The K620 is only around $20 in the US. I think the R7 250 is going for even less. Even during the parts shortage, they were never more than about $30. I mined on one just for grins.
I was expecting the R7 430 to destroy the R7 250. Very disappointing. Great video!
Hi @PM5kBlast and thanks for your comment mate, yes me too! I thought the R7 430 would be much faster than it turned out to be. Core clock speed appears to be more important in these low-core count GPUs, as I guess the GPU just isn't fast enough to utilise all that memory bandwidth. Cheers, Bob.
A rebrand of the R7 240, which is basically an R7 250 with lower clocks. The instances where it outperformed the R7 250 are examples of invalid test results stemming from lackadaisical methodology. There was probably some process running in the background the couple of times it performed worse than the R7 430. There is no way that should have happened.
It's a shame that the card was runing so hot, i think a overclock to match the R7 250 clock speeds (or at least get close) would really benefit this card
Hi @BrunoVeineGameplays and thanks for your comment mate. It definitely would benefit the R7 430, but I think it would only slightly exceed the R7 250's performance. Cheers, Bob.
@@yesterdaysram1375 I have R7 450 which it big sister, these cards are already overclocked to max, these official specs are fake that's why they use them on OEM rig since mostly no one will be gaming on them.. to fix heat issue undervolt these card to sustain it OC'd frequency
Great video! But this are 720p vcards, 1080p is too much for this little guys
Hey @GoYiTsU, cheers mate! Have you tried it at 900p? Cheers, Bob.
@@yesterdaysram1375 Yes, even 1080p, but i think 720p is sweet spot.
These actually go for about $20 in the U.S through local purchases, $45 could grab you an RX 550/560 4GB
Hi @R3AL-AIM and thanks for your comment mate. $20.00 USD is what I'd expect a card like this to cost, but for some reason, here in the UK. they're much more expensive. I've just checked, and they're still priced on eBay at around $45 USD. I agree that there's much better options in the price range. Here, you'd be lucky to find an RX 550 4GB for that price, but you'd almost certainly be able to pick up a GT 1030. Cheers. Bob.
@@yesterdaysram1375 tbf, the 1030 isn't a terrible card at that price. Especially for something like an SFF emulation system, I think there is a lot.of value there
@R3AL-AIM Yeah, the GT 1030 is not a terrible card, and would be a go-to for a low profile system. However, I felt that it was overpriced, even on the second-hand market, for the performance it delivered. Prices for this card are becoming more reasonable in the UK, but I think there might better options in the price bracket. I'll be taking a look at these in future videos, when I get there! Cheers, Bob.
I think that because I was researching this video card, the video on your channel came to me.
I can't really understand your analysis, I'm Brazilian and I barely speak my Portuguese!! 😁😁
Well, what I would like to say is that this little card is more than it seems!!
If you invest in good heat dissipation, it yields surprisingly well!!
I play SFV at 60 FPS on custom graphics between ultra and medium and graphics scaling at 80%
And look for the HP driver from 2022 (the most recent) that recognizes the card as R7 430 and can increase its voltage to 1000MHz and 1300 MHz in DDR5; also change the FAN curve to something more aggressive!
I also increased the power by +20
(Or make a change in the bios right away, trust me, it works!!)
Alert!!
Don't forget to come up with a good dissipation scheme, I tied an aluminum heatsink and a 6000 rpm FAN to the string and it's working for me here!!!
Do this and redo your test and you'll be surprised!
Take care!!!
Hi @emersoncherubic626 and thanks for your comment mate. I may give the R7 430 a second chance, I could clean and re-paste my one and see if that brings the temps down. I don't think I'll go down the route of custom cooling, as there are other cards that will perform better and can be purchased for a cheaper price. Cheers, Bob.
Some of these amd cards could be ran in crossfire with certain AMD APUs though it was very jank, at least the R7 240, not sure if the 250 or 430 works
Hi @olnnn and thanks for your comment mate. Yes, they did, and if I recall they did publish which cards were compatible with CrossFire on the APU. If the APU was on the motherboard, it'll probably be on the manufacturers website. Cheers, Bob.
45$!? In Venezuela the cost is from 25 to 30$ for this card.
Hi @arnaldodaniel1804 and thanks for your comment mate. Yeah, we tend to have to pay a little bit more for things in the UK. I'd say that's still too much, considering it performs worse than an R7 250 and is probably on par with the cheaper R5 430. Cheers, Bob.
6 months later this card is $15 US on Ebay.
Yep, I understand they're much cheaper in the US. Had a quick look on Ebay today, and they're still too expensive in the UK. I purchased a GT 1030 GDDR5 for the same money, and I thought they were overpriced! Cheers, Bob.
The R7 250 is cheaper and performs slightly better. Just because the model number is bigger, doesn't make it better. The 430 is essentially a 250 with lower clocks. You need some fresh paste on the GPU. Should be nowhere near that hot. Your result where the R7 250 performed worse than the 430 was obviously an invalid result. Windows was probably installing an update or something when you were running that one . Did you check clocks to see it was running?
I was using an R7 250 in a Windows 10 retro machine for playing games via digital licenses. I upgraded to a 560Ti to stretch my range and provide support for PhysX only games. Someone didn't use DDU when switching between GPUs, I think. If you ran the R7 250 after you ran the Quadro, it would totally make sense. Probably was confused about which driver it was supposed to be using. If you want to do a test like this, reinstalling Windows between GPUs is a great way to get normalized results. DDU is hardly foolproof. Of course, you could have tested the AMD cards on the same driver and then reinstall Windows for the Quadro test. In my experience, you tend to not have issues switching to an Nvidia GPU but then if you want to go back to an AMD afterwards, there can be problems. IDK if the ordering in the charts represents the order in which you did the testing but that would make sense.
If you'd done your homework better, you'd know the 430 is a rebranded 240, which is a lower clocked 250 and would have realized your results had discrepancies. Nice try though. I'm sure you'll get it eventually.
Hi @Lurch-Bot and thanks for your comment mate. I have to confess, I did not reinstall Windows after each card. I'm not Hardware Unboxed or Gamers Nexus, and I'm doing this for fun, as a hobby. I did however, completely remove the AMD drivers via Windows Device Manager, and reinstall for the R7 430 benchmarks. Yes, it's always possible that something has occurred in the background to skew the results, if I notice, I do retest to get a representative result. The driver for the R7 250 and R7 430, as far as I'm aware, is the same (AMD R7 200 series) as, like you said, they're the same card with different clocks.
TechPowerUp does list the R7 430 as a rebrand of the R7 240/340, however. the AMD R7 240 I have is a slightly cut down Oland GPU with 320 shaders. Also, on TechPowerUp the memory is listed as DDR3 at 1000Mhz, and the card I have uses GDDR5 @1100Mhz. So I've learned to take TechPowerUp as more of a guide than a code.
Yes, I'm sure a clean and re-paste would improve the thermals and allow a bit of overclocking head-room, and if it could reach 1050Mhz on the core it would probably perform a little better than the R7 250 thanks to the increased memory bandwidth, but it's just not worth the current asking price. At this price point, there are better options, cheers, Bob.
asus produced one wierd oland gpu r7 240 4gb ddr5 if i am not mistaken this would be the only gcn 1 low end gpu that could pull trough with less stutering since most of those cards is limited by pcie length and have problem reloading textures that stuck in main ram memory but that is only true for hames that overshoot 2gb of vram with textures at lowest detail :]
The 430 is a rebrand of the 240, which is just a 250 with lower clocks. An R7 250 should always outperform it and if it doesn't, something is invalidating your test results.
@@Lurch-Bot i know that but only asus was crazy enough to pair 4gb of gddr5 runing at 1000-1300 mhz on 128bit bus with such underpowered core, they could do it with 260x instead making pseudo rx550 but there is no oficial bonaire /tobago gpus other than workstation grade low power models and yet there is consumer grade 4gb 240 makes no sense for it to exist
* correction not only asus made them but it is still a pointless product
Hi @kokodin5895 and thanks for your comment mate. Other channels have covered the DDR3 4GB R7 cards, and say the additional memory isn't worth it as the cards were just not powerful enough to utilise the additional memory effectively. From my testing of the R7 430, I imagine the same would be true for a 4GB R7 240 with GDDR5. Cheers, Bob.
Recently a local store put on sale a r7 250 oc from msi with 5% more clock speed and more importantly a bigger fan and heatsink, considering it is only at 33$ I wonder if I can get it to surpass the r7 430 with some additional overclocking and not toasting the card in the process 😂
Hi @LovelyZaia, the DDR3 on the R7 250 is really going to hurt it's performance, even with a core OC. An R7 430 with an OC would be better, if you can find one that runs cool enough ;)
@yesterdaysram1375 yeah but the thing is that the r7 430 runs really hot (around 92 degrees) when overclocked, or that's what i've seen in other video about the card, probably that little cooler isn't good enough for that, the r7 250 from msi is a dual slot card with a chonky heatsink that was promoted as overclockable
@LovelyZaia Mine certainly ran hot, I might give it a clean and re-paste for another video, see if a little more can't be squeezed from the core. That MSI card is full width, and that gives you more options over a low-profile only card, I'm not sure about your region, but are there not better GPUs in the 30$ range available? Cheer, Bob.
@yesterdaysram1375 sadly there isnt too much other options than the 430 and the 250 at that pricepoint, actually there are only worse cards around that price like a quadro nvs 295
K620 is a decent test card.
Yep, it's been my favourite low-profile budget card for a while now. Cheers, Bob.
@@yesterdaysram1375 the hd 7750 low profile is a bit faster in gaming and better for Linux tho.
I'll be testing the AMD Fire Pro W4100 soon, that's basically an HD 7750, I think it'll be an interesting comparison to the K620 as they fall into the same price bracket.
Plz tell me where to get graphics drivers plzzz
Hi @notsabih50 and thanks for your comment mate. I'm assuming you're after drivers for the R7 430, it's an HP part, so there are HP drivers, but you might need to Google a bit to find them. Or, you can use official AMD drivers for the R7 340, as far as I'm aware, it's an identical card. Thanks, Bob.
hi dude you don't have the correct drivers for the R7 430. Amd does not have the drivers for that graphic because it is OEM HP so it recognizes it as a 200 series and not 400 series. Search the internet for the correct ones and redo the test. im from venezuela and I paid $20 for this graphic
Hi @javieramaya8450 and thanks for your comment mate. I did look at the HP drivers, but they appear to be much older than the last AMD release for this GPU. The GPU is exactly the same as that used in the 200 series. Would you say it performs better with the HP drivers? $20.00 is a good price for this card and is in the region of the other 200 series cards in the UK. Cheers, Bob.
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Hola amigo tienes links de los drivers de hp ?
I bought a 5 pack on eBay of these for $72...so NO not $45
Hi @mattblatchley2061 and thanks for your comment mate. £36.00 GBP, or around 45 USD was the most expensive price I saw for one of these cards on eBay. Buying in bulk will be cheaper, of course, and goods in the UK are generally more expensive. I paid £15.00 GBP for mine as it was listed as an R7 250. I don't think this card is worth more than £15.00 GBP, as it's performance is similar to other, cheaper, Oland based cards. Hey, maybe they saw my video and made them cheaper ;) Cheers, Bob.
does anyone know R7 430 using which displayport version?
Hi @eduardwadelerman2007, and thanks for your comment mate. I don't have a definitive answer, but I'm guessing it'll be the same as the R5 430, which is DP 1.2. Cheers, Bob.
@@yesterdaysram1375have you tried connecting it to 2k 120hz monitor? I just need the display out... not gaming
@eduardwadelerman2007 I haven't mate, my 2K monitor is 60Hz, but from what I've read, it should do 120Hz on an 8bit panel.
@@yesterdaysram1375 thankyouu dude!
when you look at the die size by itself it is a wonder the nvidia card isn't twice as fast as the 430 because the chip is literally twice the size. i mean the k620 even came out way later. disappointment for the nvidia card imo
Hi @Azureskies01 and thanks for your comment mate. Is the K620 die twice the size? I haven't checked, I'll look that up. Cheers, Bob.
@@yesterdaysram1375 when you showed the GPU-Z stats it said that the k620 was over 140mm2 where as the two AMD chips (they are probably the same chip tho) are only 77mm2. Also the release date of the k620 was over a year newer than the AMD chips.
Ah yes, I'd forgotten that GPU-Z shows the die size, the K620 is much larger as it uses the GM107 GPU as used in the GTX 750 Ti, which has 640 shaders, but it's cut down to 384 shaders, I guess so they can re-use defective GM107 chips. While the Oland GPU is only manufactured with 384 shaders, so would be a much smaller die.
Nope. Just got the vega 64 liquid cooled on eBay for $66 plus tax. It's way cheaper than a 1080.
Here, in the UK, it seems, prices are higher for GPUs. On eBay, sellers are asking around £100 - £150 for a Vega 64, while the Vega 56 is a bit cheaper, usually around £80. I'd expect the Vega 56 to drop below £50.00 before the end of the year, and I'd consider picking one up then. Cheers, Bob.
@@yesterdaysram1375It's good times for buying old gpus on eBay in the States. I recently purchased a super clean Radeon 64 frontier edition for $120, a titan x pascal for $140, and a perfect open box xfx Radeon vii for $230- ouch, could have 3080 super for that price.
Those are nice prices, I'm assuming that's combined for the 3080 right? A 3080 Ti in the UK will set you back £500.00 second hand, it's a good card at that price though.
45 quid meh that is a rip off imo bad frames per dollar
The K620 is only around $20 in the US. I think the R7 250 is going for even less. Even during the parts shortage, they were never more than about $30. I mined on one just for grins.
Hi mate, yeah, not good value, better options out there at this price point.
Meh 😂