The Marlins Had A Playoff Team And THREW It Away
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- Hello and welcome to my channel! In this video, I go over the Marlins Ownership ruining Miami and their success, firing Kim NG, losing Derek Jeter, and REFUSING to pay Jorge Soler in MLB Free Agency!
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Title: The Marlins Had A Playoff Team And THREW It Away
By: Purely Baseball
First pin?
Absolutely
Honest to God, I think the Marlins ownership WANTS to lose. They literally tear down every time they are successful. That’s not only uncalled for, it’s honestly suspicious.
This is exactly how us Marlins fans or ex fans feel.
I've never fully bought the Miami is a small market club excuse. It feels like it was managed into being a small market club by poor leadership. I know it was a long time ago, but the Marlins were top 5 in attendance their first championship run. It's hard to build a fan base / fan allegiance when you screw them over every 4 years. Ownership has literally screwed every new generation fans they've recieved. The Miami Heat have managed to be top 7 in NBA attendance nearly every single year by being a well-run franchise. I don't see why baseball can't work in extremely diverse market except for ownerships continuously pissing off fans and not willing to invest in the short-term for long-term profit.
By far the biggest issue for the Marlins is the lack of corporate sponsorships. The Heat - due to Arison being the owner - has Carnival Cruise lines. But Miami is objectively a terrible market for corporate sponsorships - and the unique situation the Heat enjoy frankly proves that. Lack of corporate money means payroll is always an issue, which leads to jettisoning high cost players, which impacts on field performance, which crushes attendance. An additional issue is that people with money leave south Florida in the summer - that hurts attendance and makes sponsoring the team less attractive to corporate sponsors.
Regardless of what Jeter did as far as building a team on the field (which wasn’t all that great…) - he absolutely failed to bring in more corporate sponsors and more fans. The result was an owner losing money to the tune of many millions every year - that was not sustainable.
It’s a huge concern for baseball - not one owner has been able to make baseball in Miami financially viable. At some point it stops being “poor leadership”, and starts looking like a market that cannot legitimately support baseball. When four owners who have had significant success in business can’t find the path - maybe it’s time to accept the “small market excuse” is legitimate and that baseball cannot and will not be financially viable in Miami.
(As far as Heat attendance, what season do they play their games in - summer or winter? When do people migrate south to south Florida - summer or winter? The unique population dynamics of south Florida means comparing attendance at a winter sport to a summer sport will always be invalid).
I know nothing about the Marlins and I still know that firing Kim Ng was stupid
Literally. Such a silly move.
And yet she still hasn't even been interviewed by any other team even with all the openings ... Weird huh?
Or maybe because she was awful at draft pics and only made 2 good trades.
History shows her results ... Too bad so many men lost their balls to say so
@@TS1964 She denied Boston for an interview during their search.
She wasnt fired she walked
@@Hotdaddy68 I made that clear in the vid. Technically was fired tho. From making the decisions, to having someone hired above her.
Brother as a local Miami Marlins you've been right 4 months later we absolutely stink up the joint! I been to a couple games this year either the Marlins choke the game or give up too many runs smh
Sounds about right unfortunately
Fans get mad at the big market teams for spending a lot of money but you see the other side. You got teams like the Rays and Marlins who most likely have that kind of money but don't want to spend it lol.
Not Tyler Glasnow at the plate striking out @ 2:00 🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣 I didn’t even notice
This video makes me feel weird as a marlins fan I loved Kim’s trades for the MLB roster but her FA signings were horrible outside of Soler she completely depleted our farm system and we now have one of the worst farms in baseball and the ownership is Bruce Sherman as our main owner of the team he’s only worth $500 mil which is the poorest in MLB having a $100 mil payroll every year would leave him broke sooner rather than later leading to new ownership he actually does care about this team which is why he went with Bendix he has wanted to model after the rays for years and he’s finally doing it in personally very happy with the moves they’ve made and what they’re planning to do this team can’t win if we have no farm system and horrible drafting like we’ve had for the last 5 to 7 years they’re finally going down the smarter path and not the try to spend money we don’t have and deplete a non existent farm system path
I was really excited to see a Marlins home game against the Red Sox this coming season because the Marlins were such a surprisingly good team. Everything ownership has done since firing Kim Ng has been nothing short of depressing and I sincerely hope whoever they bring in will do as good or better a job than Kim Ng did. Pray for Marlins fans, all 20 of them.
There are more than 20 marlins fans I’m sure
@@bryangonzalez4604 no shit
@@platinumspike9578 than why you said 20 we do have a bunch of marlins fans also that’s kinda rude
@@bryangonzalez4604 it’s a joke in a comment section g don’t get butthurt over it
@@platinumspike9578 ik it’s a joke but that joke is old
4 months later, and he ain't lying.
Braves fan here:
While I think Kim Ng is a solid GM, I don’t think she was a good fit for Miami long-term. I’m sure whoever signs her will find success as she constructed the best Marlins roster since 2003. Sure, she made some great trades (ex. Burger trade), but the farm is barren. Her most notable flaw is that she whiffed on most of her free agency signings and the draft. The only great draft is 2023, but the top of the class is mostly prep, so it’ll take time to judge. Also, many of the former top prospects came from the previous regimes drafts (both domestic and international) and trades.
All in all, the Marlins have been wanting to emulate the Rays for a long time and they got their guy in Bendix. People forget they have one of the least wealthy ownership groups in the league. Such is the life of a small-mid market team, so their only real way to compete is through drafting and player development (which is something that they’ve lacked for years). It’s obvious the Marlins are going to take a step back and face regression regardless, but I think they’re setting themselves up well long-term.
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This excels the relocation threats for the marlins a lot faster than ever before.
They’re contractually not allowed to be relocated
As a long time marlins fan, it pains me to see history basically repeat itself 😢 the future looks bleak but I’ll pray I guess
Best way to go about it
eventually they will move
As someone born and raised in Miami, im a Padres fan...
because of how bad the Marlins ownership is.
I’m a Yankees fan born and raised in Hollywood South Florida only team I support down here are the panthers. Great hockey team Ownership. Marlins are just playing a game of money ball than baseball. Wouldn’t be surprised if they made a documentary or Movie of this team’s downfall like the Cleveland Indians/Gaurdians.
I do agree that Ng made some very good trades and that the ownership is cheap, but I think there's more to this than meets the eye. For one, the Marlins barely made the playoffs as they clinched on September 30th as the 2nd Wild Card team, had the same record as the 3rd Wild Card Diamondbacks, were only 1 game ahead of the Cubs, and 2 games ahead of the Padres and Reds. So while yes, they did make playoffs, it was down to the wire and they could just as easily missed. That being said, this was a team with a struggling Alcantara who was the reigning Cy Young winner, so assuming he pitched well, they'd won a couple more games, but he'll miss 2024. This brings me to a second point in that this was the first year where MLB changed the division matchups from 19 games to 13 games. I assume playing 6 less games against the Braves and Phillies helped out a bit for their record. Thirdly, the Mets who were expected to be a threat completely disappointed, which gave the Marlins that window and had the Mets not crashed and burned, the Marlins would've missed again. Fourthly, the Marlins have regressed in pitching. Their bullpen ERA was 7th in 2021 and was 21st in 2023, and the team ERA was 11th in 2021 and was 17th in 2023. Fifthly, a lot of her Free Agents have been disasterous. The notable FA's were Jorge Soler, Avisail Garcia, Jean Segura, and Johnny Cueto. Those latter 3 were diasterous, and even Soler was looking bad in the first year of the contract, but had a good bounceback which allowed him to opt out. I'm not too sure on the drafting, but it seems not good as well.
That being said, the big trades Ng have made were excellent. Luzardo, Puk, Burger, Bell, and Arraez are all fantastic. Ownership definitely deserves blame as the lack of spending does impact how a GM will act, but while Ng was fantastic in her trades, she had faults in other areas, and benefitted from the massive underperformances of the Mets and Padres this year.
Th NL east is going to be insane next year. Braves and Phillies are both 100 win teams if they stay healthy, the Nats are up and coming, the Mets should bounce back, and the Marlins are still pretty alright.
phillies havent won 90+ in a decade despite spending more than the braves every year
@@arcoffice4448 true, but over the last 4 months of the season they played like a 99 win team. If they don’t get off to a slow start they are absolutely a team with the potential to win over 100 games. The team is only stronger next year with Harper being healthy and Turner being post ovation. The Phillies undoubtedly have potential to be a real threat to the braves for the NL East crown. If they stay healthy that is.
@@arcoffice4448 and the Phillies won over 90 games last year
I see the Mets regressing next year.
@@pjbuma13 how? It would be incredibly difficult to be worse
If I didn’t know anything about baseball, I would’ve guessed the Marlins haven’t won anything in their history yet. But somehow they have two championships lol
They bought a championship in ‘97 and traded those guys off and fluked one in 2003. Since then they have been garbage.
Great video, genuinely, even if there’s a few things I’d counter here:
- We can’t praise Jeter in the early portion of the video and then immediately counter/defend Kim later by blaming Jeter for the drafting, missed signings like Avi Garcia (which was them stupidly spending), and the initial rebuild trades like Yelich and JT. That’s having it both ways. Also, Jeter didn’t acquire/draft Rogers nor Braxton, he gets zero credit for either.
- We can’t dismiss the drafting errors. You can’t go back to back to back to back to back awful drafts and get credit just because of two successful trade deadline deals
- She wasn’t fired, she opted out when she was told they’d be hiring a President of Baseball Ops (which is standard/on-par across the whole league lol). We can make the argument she could’ve been promoted but it’s disingenuous (and you can see it in these replies) to suggest she was fired. She could easily be here, with a POBO…like every other team in all of baseball
- It’s also an odd time to do this in the offseason. They may sign Tim Anderson, Gio Urshela, make a move for another bat. Sandy’s innings will hurt but he was a 4+ pitcher last year, that’s not entirely irreplaceable
Also, just at the risk of sounding like I’m defending an owner - I’m not, I promise - this is also the group that extended that same CY Young, Sandy, to the largest arbitration eligible contract for a SP, out spent every IFA in Marlins history, built a complex in DR, and so forth. Like, it’s disgusting doing this lol, but if I’m going to be critical let’s do it with info on both sides.
The marlins keep sneaking into these expanded playoffs. They may accidenly win another one
There is absolutely no doubt that the Marlins have had terrible ownership over the years I don't think you can fully blame it on this ownership as much I mean they had the highest payroll to Marlins have had in franchise history this past year if they were at 100 million for a team that doesn't draw that's a pretty good payroll
I dont care what anyone says, the Marlins had a solid fanbase until Huizenga sold the entire team away after winning thr world series. I watched every Marlins game from year 1 until 1997. The firesale killed my passion for baseball because that team never got a shot to defend its title. Its been chaos ever since.
So true.. those poor players
I blame MLB for allowing the Marlins to be the "wealfare queen" of the league. They have been stealing money for decades, and MLB seems to be just fine with it. That is why I don't watch baseball anymore, even after it has been my favorite sport for years.
Do the Marlins have a single player's number retired???
Only team in Baseball to not have anyones number retired
Nobody has worn 16 since Jose Fernandez died. They should just retire his number and be done with it.
They used to have 5 retired in honor of former team president Carl Barger. He was the first team president but died in 1992 before they ever took the field. His all time favorite player was Joe DiMaggio and so that’s why 5 was retired. It was unretired in 2012 and has since been worn by 6 players.
Its so hard being a Marlins fan. At fhe second we have some good propspects or future hall of famers with brughr future. Eveyone is gone the following year 😢
With the Marlins this could be several different years
Kim NG deserves a real chance as a GM. It wouldn’t just be some female diversity hire. She legit deserves it
They’re doing it again!
Kim was let go because the way to develop a great team isn’t through free agency it’s through farm system and the draft. We have no quality position players in the farm and traded away a lot of our farm in the last few years. Marlins farm is ranked in the bottom half of baseball. To compete as a small market you have to have a strong farm system and take advantage of your competitive window. If you don’t have a strong farm system it forces you to spend. And when she spent on Garcia and others they haven’t worked out.
Yankees prove to be toxic yet again. Overrated Jeter buys the Marlins bc he’s butt hurt over losing against them in ‘03 at home and deliberately destroys their team.
Michaell Hill did the heavy lifting, built a great farm, and made the playoffs in 2020. This team was not good, was extremely lucky, and probably the worst team in playoff history. It was pure fluke. The Marlins did her a favor so her stock didn't absolutely crater after they came back to reality in 2024. Her FA spending was bad, really bad. It's not a good thing. And ownership saved them for Castellanos, look at how he fell off in Philly this year.
Chaim Bloom saved her from trading Cabrera for Turner.
Jeter yes but Kim knew what she was dealing with by the time she hopped on the wagon. She neglected the bullpen from the start which you can not do in a team that can't hit off a tee. This forced her to supplement the lineup for a playoff push and go all in on Robertson who single handedly blew 10 games when he came from NYM. We needed like 2 or 3 arms, not a gamble. Fast forward to today and her dog shit decision making has plagued the starters. Every single one of them had to pitch way more innings than they should have which is why we have 2 aces out for the year with tommy john as well as braxton and cabrera trying to get back after starting the year on IL. People love the Kim because it is a cool story. While limited, the team did give her resources and liberty to make some big moves. I love Josh Bell but for 16 million a year on a team that everyone knows does not spend big is questionable. She fumbled hard. Grateful for Arraez and Burger but our bullpen has choked 10 games this year and we aren't 30 games into the season. Thank you Kim
how is miami a small market?!?!?
Not the first time, but ruined by one coke-feuled boat ride: I'm a delusionally optimistic Nationals fan...and if you'd told me in August 2016 that an NL East team would win the 2019 World Series, my first guess would've been the Marlins.
Miami is a huge market. They have an NFL and NCAA football team on national games on tue regular, they have a basketball team that has been to 7 NBA finals, and a hickey team that just won the Stanley Cup. If you build it, they will come. But the Marlins just gut everything because their owners either have light pockets or are evil.
Once they traded Stanton and Yellich... it was over
Firing kim definitely wasn't the smartest move
As a Marlins fan yes we did we had a good team in 2020 and 2023 but we just blew it and I really hate Bruce Sherman because he never spends money on legit bats and legit pitching even tho our pitching is good. It’s always one side is better than the other for example 2016 we had a Top 15 offense and then in 2020 we had good pitching but bad offense see what I mean there both not equal. I’ve been a marlins fan for 8 years but if we still Sherman as our owner we won’t go anywhere with him and he needs to sell the team rn. I hope Peter Bendix does well but I’m happy about him being here but not Bruce. I like skip but don’t know if he will be here long term. We’re always one step ahead and 2 steps back. Now our offense sucks and the pitching is good I don’t understand why do we have to rely on cheap players smh.
The only thing I would challenge you on is when you say that the reason why Miami is at the bottom of the fan attendance list is because “they suck”. Meanwhile, for the last 5-10 years, Tampa Bay is perennially and consistently a successful winning franchise contending for a division championship or wildcard spot while having to deal with the likes of Boston, New York and Toronto. They also have very poor attendance as evident by their own players and coaches calling out the fans. And they are less than a 4 hour drive away from Miami in the same state. Maybe the fans not going to the games is more complicated than that is all I’m saying
No I definitely think you could be right
Hey Derek, please see Magic or Michael Jordan about good front office smarts.. Especially Magic..
They ain't no woman that knows nothing about no baseball. Period
They are in a very tough in not the most competitive divison in all of baseball. Maybe they are throwing in the towel and rebuilding, getting that gm from the rays maybe points in that direction???
0:45 that is so far from the truth. MASSIVE difference between popularity and being one of the GOATS on the field.
The point of that entire line, was to point out he was on the front office, NOT on the field lol. I didn’t say he was any sort of goat in an office. Just field.
@@PurelyBaseballYT that’s my point. He was never a goat on the field. Maybe a goat clubhouse leader. Or a GOAT reputation. But he’s one of the most overrated players of all time. Statistically that’s a fact.
@@joshx413 I agree 1000 percent
“The Marlins had a playoff team and threw it away”
…Again?!??
As always
But at the same time - the Marlins are the only expansion team to win 2 titles in a short amount of time.
Kim didn’t get fired she resigned. Yeah this team is pathetic. Even if they play well nobody gives any Balls to go to games down in Miami. Like why would this team ever move down there to play in a waste of a ballpark? This team should’ve moved to Montreal or any other city where baseball is adored.
Eury Perez gonna cook next year
So excited for that dude.. pure FILTH 🐐
Small market? Miami is a bigger market!
The Marlins continue to have cheap owners
Marlins were a fluke. So was Arizona. Neither team will win 80 games this year. There is always one or two surprises every year.
Derek Jeter does not seem to be a good CEO
I’m calling it. The marlins are gonna suck next year
Bob' Burgers what about Jake's Burgers?
Traded arraiz and chisolm is next. Im from south florida. GO BRAVES 🔥🔥🔥
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Ng should go to the ChiSox. Didn’t she start her career there?
Edit: The Sox already hired someone
She may have. Honestly, not to sure of her history. Other than she was with the Yankees in the early 2000s
Jeter didn’t make all of those pitching moves most of them were Michael hill before him.
Ng was not fired. She opted out of signing a long term deal.
If she came back, she would’ve not been retained at her original position. I should’ve specified she was demoted, and thats why she didn’t come back.
Next team will be lucky to have Kim Ng.
Miami sucks
Florida sucks
Marlins have won more WS titles than THE DODGERS have in 35 years but when you're a customed to making $$ by losing its hard to stop ..
The season just started and the were swept by then Pirates and are 0 - 4. Long season though.
Bring back the Florida Marlins!!!!
Bruce Sherman is the most poor owner of the MLB.
Will the Marlins upset the NL in 2024?
No. They will win 75-80 games and continue their mediocrity like the last 20 years.
I don't understand this kind of video. The team was bad by pretty much all the peripherals. They were amazing in one run games and were dreadful in blowouts. They had a negative run differential in games of neither type.
The lineup was amoung the worst in the majors in wRC+. And they had no farm.
I get that the playoffs were great, and they were. But long term there is no future as things stood. The decision to hire a pres of baseball opps was a good one. Especially a saebermetrician as opposed to an old baseball person like ng.
They had the worst playoff team in recent memory that was only possible by historic collapses. Their future is bleak. If she’s so great why has no one hired her since?
everyone thinks they can fix the Marlins, somehow everyone is a savant GM now. No, you have to do it on a literal budget and stop complaining about the owner not letting you spend much, now do it instead of being know-it-all narcissists about it. Not so simple, yet that is Marlins GM/CEO life. Fools like Jeter and Ng found out...and Berger and that other guy are not going to stay all season.
Kim Ng built the best iteration of the Marlins in years
There goes Arraez…
They still have a decent team that made the playoffs and they hired a rays product to be the president of baseball operations
It's Florida. I'm sorry but it's Florida. I wish Jeter made them into something
How is Kim’s draft history bad 😅😅😅??
She wanted to keep the head of amateur scouting and their drafts have been fruitless for years
For all we know the Marlins could make it to the World Series next year, while the stacked Dodgers miss the postseason. MLB has become that unpredictable.
Arguably the best part about the sport right now, is its so unpredictable.
No it hasn’t. Arizona was a fluke. There is one every year. Cleveland in 2022. But the same teams big market teams are there every year. Dodgers Astros etc.
Dodger fan here, you're seriously overvaluing Ng. She's a great money person and a legit wizard with the accounting department, but she's never been a talent scout. During her time in LA she was never involved in player valuation, and she wasn't in Miami either. You're giving her credit for things that happened before she ever arrived here.
Kim Ng for tigers GM
You should prob redo this video lol
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@@PurelyBaseballYT we meet again
@@TreeCousins yes we do
@@PurelyBaseballYT Correct
You’re so off base on a lot of things here. Everything that’s gone wrong since Loria sold the team is the fault of Jeter.
Ng wasn’t perfect she did some alright things some bad. But it was ultimately unsustainable and Sherman knows that and wanted it to be that way because he doesn’t have the money to sustain it. Please educate yourself more before vomiting words for 10 minutes
You win the woke trophy for today. They didn’t fire Ng, she quit because the marlins hired a President of Baseball Ops, just like every other team. Bad ownership with two WS titles- foolish statement.
and also only a handful of winning seasons in 30 years of existence and never winning the division, they lucked into 2 world series then sold the teams that won them immediately
The marlins have been garbage since 2003. They’ve made the playoffs twice in 20 years. Since we are picking and choosing eras. I suppose you’re gonna tell me how good the pirates franchise is because they were dominate in the 1970s.
@@alwillk they made the playoffs in 23. Not a game has been played in 24 and this video is telling us they threw it away.