I know, like how half the country voted for Biden even though dementia has set in. Or how the other half voted for an egomaniac, amongst other mental issues. Humans are strange. Until you grow up in indiana, watch your home team win multiple championships, see former iu players have amazing success in multiple fields, you just can't understand how deep it runs. It's easy to pick apart and say, how could you support this person? I'm sure you could do the same for a lot of championship teams through history, Adolph Rupp could be considered a racist, Kentucky still has his name on their arena
The player he choked during the Indiana practice is Neil Reed, he was my P.E. teacher my sophomore year of High School, his class of one of the few I actually liked, sadly he passed away from a heart attack in 2012 that was the summer before my senior year. R.I.P Mr. Reed
Damn a fellow panther in the chat, small world we live in. I graduated in 2012 and I remember his death brought many of us back a few months after that summer. I'll always remember him making a no look half court shot during P.E class, the whole gym went nuts lol
@@superdupersubbythat's crazy how we're both in the comments and we went to the same high school lol, you graduated one year before me so we pretty much went to school together for 3 years lol that's crazy. Yea man his class was fun that's the one class I never ditched lol. It's also crazy he came out on ESPN when he died they even did a report on him and they interviewed his wife, I recorded it on snapchat and I still have it saved
@@AspireGMD yea crazy bro, what's even crazier is that he graduated in 2012 and I did in 2013, so we pretty much went to school 3 years together lol. We probably passed each other In the hall or maybe even had a class together without even knowing
Which is why he had so many NBA greats come through his program, right? Or why his teams after beating basketball powerhouse Rony Seikaly were so successful?
I was a massive basketball fan (still am), age 12 growing up in a small town about 45 minutes east of IU. My dad was obsessed with college basketball, calling it "real basketball". While I was a massive NBA and Reggie Miller fan. I always disliked Bob Knight, and even at my young age I could tell he was an unhinged coach. This story was huge local news here in Indiana, and I remember so many people defending him and downplaying all the stuff he did. Basketball, especially college basketball was royalty in Indiana. It was like one of my first times as a kid at seeing a large number of people get presented with actual facts, and them still passively ignoring them, all for the sake of their favorite team. This was probably my first time realizing the power of celebrity, and how some people really do become invincible. Or how we set standards or have a base set of morals we have for other people, that can be switched off if you happen to like that person, or attach your identity to a team. Ah I will stop rambling, this video brought up so many memories though. lol It was very well done and really explainedit all in a nice summarized way without leaving out anything important.
i agree he was wrong for many things…but u ask 90% of his players they loved playing for bobby…and they won a lot…criticize him but he was the GOAT for a long time and brought up the one who says passed him in Coach K…Knight did dumb some things but he deserve some respect.
Was this the preeminent "small town" east of Bloomington? Seymour? I grew up an hour south of Bloomington. I assume you also saw Texas Tech clothing start popping up all over the area.
this is insane. he was an abusive tyrant for 30 years, faced mild consequences after years of being let off easy, and then disowned the school and wished death upon everyone responsible for the next 20 years. guy deserves no respect
The players he coached really like him, still. I don't think the guy doesn't have any qualities, but I think giving him a free pass for such a long time just exacerbated his stubbornness and anger issues. Why change if everyone pats you in the back at the end?
Bob Knight is a classic case of three things: (i) the level to which people will forgive offenses of a reprehensible person if they have a particular talent that can be exploited, and (ii) the level to which power can be accumulated over time, to a point of being unchecked by anyone, even those technically in positions of authority above you, and (iii) the inability of a person to adapt to the world around them, growing ever indignant of change, and ever intractable in their stubbornness to repel change. Had he not been successful, and at Indiana in particular, he'd have been a vagabond coach along the likes of Larry Brown (but with repeated firings rather than resignations).
@@janoycresnova9156 Did you watch the video? He choked Neil Reid, punched a cop in Puerto Rico (which he was found guilty of), and multiple other instances of assault.
Reed was a P.E teacher in my school, he was always one of the cool ones. One time in Senior year he found me and my friend ditching weights class and just told us to scram back to class instead of reporting us. RIP Mr. Reed.
What IU actually need that time was a higher-calibre coach who can brought instant success just so the fans can forget Bobby fast. I mean, look at Penn State with Bill O'Brien and James Franklin.
I went to IU during that time...its because so many kids from across the country came to IU for Knight. It took the balls of President Brand, who then became the commissioner of the NCAA, to do the dirty work and get him out and stop the psychophants in Bloomington from enabling that fool.
The same college that gave you the Kinsey institute, where he studied the sexuality of children(even babies) and gave child abusers journals so he could learn about their process, not to keep abuse from happening though.. iu is a funny place, and bob knight is still loved in this state no matter what all the hit pieces may say
Meh, speaks more to the power of groupthink when it's organized around a collective identity like team sports. Look at all the people who defended Joe Paterno even after it was clear he covered up child r@pe
@@jordanalexander5275 Kinsey studied important stuff. People don't go from completely nonsexual to sexual when they turn 18, the development of sexuality in children is a topic worth study. I know I was definitely interested in sex and reproduction starting around 7.
@@grantcastleman7116 thats not dominant tho. Making the tournament and losing 1st round every year isn't successful enough to cover his ass like final 4 appearances and championships.
“The Last Days of Knight” is an outstanding documentary and does an excellent job of highlighting what a terrible human being Bobby Knight is. Neil Reed deserved better.
@@jerryneil8558 oh stop he never put his hands around and choked. At worst he put 1 hand on his neck and held firmly. And im not even a knight fan but jesus u people love to exaggerate
Love that last part by Clara, tells you more than anything how passionate fans would go to defend him, even if they weren’t even alive when he was fired
Great video. A reason why he was this way goes back to his time as a college basketball player at Ohio State. He used to watch the football practices when Woody Hayes coached the team because he admired him. A lot of the stuff you saw with Bobby Knight, you saw with Woody Hayes. Supposedly he was warned not to follow Hayes' example too closely because eventually he was going to go too far, which is what happened when he punched an opposing Clemson player in the 1978 Gator Bowl and got fired as a result. As a matter of fact, you should do a Rewinder on that Woody Hayes incident.
This is a very important detail. He's practically a mirror image of Woody Hayes: Untouchable because of their success, program linked to the state's identity and self esteem, only removed when it became completely unjustifiable to keep them.
@@Babyd1112 I remember seeing that here on TH-cam one day when I was bored. In that segment, one of the papers even had a cartoon of Bob looking into the mirror and seeing Woody Hayes instead of his reflection.
Frank Kush was another example of a hard nosed coach, who got the best out of his players whom he worked to death, but eventually crossed the line, and would lose his job as a result too.
That's what's wrong with these kids! How dare they not want to be choked or disrespected?! Those kids are the definition of soft. We need more tough coaches like Bob Knight! Sarcasm. I'm all for coaches and people in authority holding their students/players accountable, but putting your hands on people is unnecessary. Mr Knight should be happy none of those young men introduced him to a nap.
He knew who he could do it to and get away with it he never tried it on guys like Isaiah or Mike Woodson those guys were tough kids from tough neighborhoods and had tough parents. Knight respected that he knew where that line was with them.
it's crazy that Bob Knight and Gene Keady (legendary Purdue coach) are good friends considering how much Knight loathed all things Purdue. Also, by all accounts Gene Keady was never remotely close to being the sociopath lunatic that Bob Knight was...although I admit that's jumping over a low bar lol
40 years ago?? Half of those fans are dead, and the other half are on mobility scooters at this point. Clara could simply out walk them laughing all the way.
It's kind of sad to think that Knight might never have had consequences if the on court performance of the team stayed top tier we kind of see echoes with how urban meyer was able to employ awful abusers and assaulters and not have repurcussions and how many people protested when Joe Paterno was fired after Sandusky's evil crimes were revealed
The defense of an abusive coach reminds me of Penn State students protesting removing a statue of Joe Paterno for covering up extensive child sex abuse by his assistant coach.
And then Bill O'Brien made them forget about that in record time. Thinking about it, maybe what IU need back then was hiring big names and bringing them instant success so those corn-eating sheeple could move on sooner.
Current IU student and IU basketball fan. I never really understood why people look past all this, but I can confirm many people in the area still very much so treat Bob Knight like royalty for some reason.
I used to be really good friends with his grandson. He told me personally a lot of the allegations against him were true and the university of Indiana let him get away with it until the stories got bigger and bigger. He also said his grandfather was really upset when ESPN sabotaged him in the documentary after working for them for many years. As he got older and suffers from dementia, his family thinks the media wanted to attack him when he can’t even defend himself anymore.
No you're right... middle aged WOMEN is the solution!! More single mommas telling their kids to hit opponents for fouling them... Black women built like linebacker shouting at undersized white male refs... and if those refs complain, they'll be accused of "racist misogyny"
IU's relationship with Bob Knight is similar an abusive parent. No matter what that parent does (choking, punching, screaming), the kid still does everything to receive the love of said parent
Seems to me that the turning point for Indiana Basketball was their opening game of the season , when they lost to coach Pete Bell and his Western University. Of course that Weatern team DID have freshmen Shaq & Penny Hardaway to go along with Ricky Roe’s shooting, and they still had Tony playing his senior year (this was before the truth of Tony’s point shaving during his freshman year came to light). Indiana never really recovered from that, being that their best player at the time was Calvert Cheaney.
@@williamgullett5911 yea but that class is hard. It’s not just watching the tube. And anyway he got a tutor. His point shaving was a much bigger issue. Damn Happy.
I put these on sometimes for background noise, as the video goes on, I'm thinking "How did this guy have his job for so long? Was this the 50s?". Imagine if this guy wasn't coaching young men on scholarships and had to deal with grown men who had leverage against him. He'd get his ass beat before the 2nd practice.
A dry aged Kobe wagyu steak worthy of a beef history. Legendary feud between Bobby Knight and IU administration. The chair is still one of my favorite moments.
Something y’all didn’t mention is that one of his players, Mike Woodson, is the coach now. That’s part of the reason that He came back, is because the Crean and Miller instructions had effectively forced a “Bob Knight” call back, so they went with Woodson. And he’s been a huge reason that Knight’s reintegrated with IU B-Ball.
Yeah by call back they meant "to be able to establish a link to the guy." For recruiting purposes, because college basketball is all about recruitment, not about skill development or tactical intelligence. You have to leverage your history to trick teenagers into thinking they'll somehow inherit the powers of success they had from people who are in their 60's now There's no way he was going to be able to act like him and it not immediately start rumors.
As someone who grew up in Indiana with Purdue fans for parents, I never heard anything but good things about Bobby Knight. My dad watched the game where he threw true chair when it was on tv. He was a really really problematic person, but if you win basketball games in Indiana, Hoosiers will love you forever and ever
Bobby Knight will go down in the end as one of the greatest embarrassments in sports history. He talked about making his teams disciplined and never had any himself. He was cruel to staff and members of the university throughout his career. And when he was called out for his appalling behavior he lashed out with even more cruelty. He is THE example of how winning is above all else in college sports and also the reason why this kind of behavior should never be tolerated ever again. He is a dinosaur. Let him and his ways be as extinct as they are.
Always enjoy a secret base video and one where we hear from Clara. Didn't know any of this Indiana basketball history. Really surprised that 20 years later they still were so excited to have this couch come back with all of that. More so his extremely long beef with the school rather than all the stuff he did while at the school, unfortunately.
I was a junior at IU the year that they went undefeated--the last team to do so--and he was infamous even then. He would veto concerts at Assembly Hall---even though he had absolutely no authority to do so---because he thought all the hippies would scar the arena's hardwood floor, which was covered by thick pads and tarp. President Ryan and AD Ralph Floyd let him get away with it. He rear-ended a student at a stoplight and blamed the kid for not getting off the light quickly enough. The student was given a ticket for reckless driving. Even the Bloomington Police were in his back pocket. There is no bigger fan of IU basketball than I, but I celebrated the day he was shown the door.
Bobby Knight was a disgraceful bully that verbally and physically abused his players, coaches, fans, and referees. He was allowed to get away with it because he was a highly successful coach. Should have been fired 20 years before they actually did it. He's very similar to Woody Hayes!!
As long as Indiana was winning Big 10 and NCAA championships, the university was willing to put up with his behavior. When the Hoosiers started being less successful, the university was looking for a reason to get rid of Knight, and Bobby handed them the reason on a silver platter.
Bobby created his own destruction too. Like many abusive people, they usually have a system where they create dependence and stockholm syndrome, which they deny, gaslight, call the victims whiners and soft(like all the comments section trolls are doing) and their victims will defend them until the end. But once he started stepping over that line and the top recruits started running away to be treated with some dignity, they started losing. He couldnt leverage the IU name to win for him anymore, and that was his biggest mistake. Because his behavioral issues were intentional, not at all a mistake.
I was a student at IU when he came back for the 2020 game (which we lost lol) and I was definitely excited and most people I knew were too. I think it had a lot to do with people hearing about Knight from their parents, and only getting the good parts. None of us even remembered him getting fired or looked further into why. Nowadays though, anytime I see pictures of him at practice (apparently he was going every week for the 22-23 season) it's like this weird figure that the program doesn't want to shun, but doesn't really want to be in the spotlight. I'm sure the new approach has to do a lot with one of his players being the HC and the new president who desperately wants to seem "cool".
I was an IU student from 2012-2016, but I’m originally from California, so I had no stake in the game. The way I saw it, he was a nut job whose firing was inevitable and a good move for the university. My convictions were hardened after the whole Mike Rice thing at Rutgers. However, I was one of the only ones who felt this way. Most people I spoke to, from the IU or Bloomington communities, still defended him and viewed him as the wronged party. The failings of the university in basketball were because he was fired (ignoring the lack of success in the late ‘90s). People still went wild when he’d come up on the big board before games, either as a photo or the clip of him throwing the chair. Then the opinion of him slowly started to change. I had heard that for a while, he hadn’t even come to Bloomington. But he slowly started to probe, having speaking events off campus. People started to see him as a crazy grudge-holding old man when he refused to come to Guyton’s Hall of Fame ceremony. That perception was amplified when he didn’t come to the ceremony for the 1976 team, despite literally everyone wanting him to. Even his son tried to tell him to come back. He also stumped for Trump in southern Indiana during the 2016 election, which turned off some of the IU and Bloomington population (Bloomington is possibly the most liberal city in the state). When he finally came back, a lot of the people I spoke to were a bit apathetic, like it was too little, too late. When Woodson, a Hoosier legend under Knight, was hired, that completed the healing. Now Bobby has attended practices. Meanwhile, Guyton is a trustee. Yet I’m sure most people still view him as a god there, ignoring all the things he did.
As a lifelong Hoosier, I can confirm his legendary status inIndiana, growing up in Bluffton, IN, his picture hung on the wall next to Clinton. All of my basketball coaches literally worshiped this doofus as did my grandfather and my dad
Sorry, double post: I also wanted to point out that Michael Lewis, the player who did the most to smear Neil Reed’s reputation and defend Bobby Knight, went on to a successful coaching career and has never publicly apologized for his verbal attacks on Reed.
Great video as always. It's unfortunate that the investigations only started once the basketball team struggled. It makes you wonder, if Indiana had continued to be a top 10 program and win national championships would there ever been an investigation? Could he have just kept abusing players for another decade?
It's really dark that the comments are filled with "yes, look at another place where abuse was allowed to be down" I guess I'll add to it, albeit a much lighter example. Look at the astros. The answer is yes
Knight is a top 5 coach in college basketball history, that never committed any violations (that we know of), graduated his players and got the absolute best out of there abilities. But the guy, his temper and his ego, was out of control and enabled for too long at that University. He got what he deserved.
Indiana fans are clowns for not disowning this guy. Knight never apologized and never tried to make things right. Fans accepted him back just because. Makes them look just as bad as him.
The fact that he is still loved today by so many is shocking. With people getting offended so easily and for him to do criminal stuff, yet still be a hero is the most incredible thing ever
I don’t think it’s a praising of what he did off the court but what was done on the court. He had a fire and intensity to his coaching. He is absolutely beloved here in Indiana and he always will be. You can hate the artist, and feel free to, but you shouldn’t be ashamed if you enjoy a piece of their art
@@toilet4441 I mean sure his coaching may have been a winning style but it’s a little different then art from artist his coaching style directly lead to this incidents
@@lucasgales3008 his coaching style had nothing to do with the terrible things he did and said. If you’re talking about his aggressive coaching style, that is most certainly a product of his time in the army back in the 60’s in the middle of the Vietnam war. Sure he didn’t go to Nam but just being in basic training during that time is hell. This led him to be aggressive in his teaching of basketball. And don’t get me wrong, HE SAID AND DID REALLY BAD THINGS, but there is a reason there was backlash by players that were under him when the university booted him. I feel it is very apparent that the lack of mental toughness by the kids in the 90’s was a direct cause of the dwindling success of the IU program at that time. The fact that the players of the 80’s revere him tells me that they embraced the hardship it was to be coached by him and that’s why they were successful
@@mjolnirandrails8785 exactly. Woodson isn’t a cutthroat guy like Knight but he obviously retained the stuff he learned and made IU a ranked team for basically the entire season
That's Indiana, the Mississippi of the Midwest.....I live on the Ohio side in a bordering County, I still drive to Kentucky but avoid the Hoosier state at all costs. Cincinnati is between so many dimensions of our country
Indiana is not known as a particularly intelligent state. And I couldnt help but notice on that frozen picture of the IU students holding up the sign that there were not very many attractive students in that picture either.
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My dad was one of the lawyers on the assistant coach lawsuit. Bob knight lost and they had to figure out damages. I'm not joking when I say one of the solutions was: Bob knight signs 100 basketballs and gives them to the other guy who then sells them on eBay and keeps 100% of the money. Knight declined and just payed $25,000 instead which I think is way lamer.
I didn’t think a university’s fan base and support network could present themselves more shamefully than Penn State’s after Joe Paterno was fired, boy was I wrong…
the only reason people are so hard on Coach Paterno is because he became bigger than the university. he didn’t commit any crimes, he did exactly what the state of PA required them to do. anyone who says they would’ve done more, they are lying to themselves. it’s easy to say you would’ve done more when you aren’t actually presented with the issue. in the end, it falls solely on the University, the AD, and the President…..they gave the monster the access not the coach. that’s why the fans acted they way they did. victimize and gaslit a man when everyone would’ve done the same thing…
How could you be a fan of this guy? I'm a blazers fan and if damning news like this came out about my childhood heroes it would change every thing. Kind of like how Utah fans feel about Stockton and Malone now a days.
My brother had an ex-fiance who was from Indiana. He went with her to Indiana to meet her family. He told me that her grandparents had pictures of two people in the foyer of their home. One was Jesus Christ and the other was Bobby Knight. I thought he was making it up, but he stands by the story years later.
Lou Henson was the anti-Bob Knight. They coached together for over 20 years during the peak of the Illinois-Indiana rivalry. While Knight had more accolades, Henson is still revered today while Knight is increasingly remembered as the shitbag he was. Some guys are overly competitive or passionate, and we give them a pass like Jordan. However Knight time and time again just went too far.
I’m currently working as an intern in Indianapolis & recently had a Bob Knight debate with a coworker. It amazed me how an otherwise very logical and intelligent person had no problem handwaving and minimizing his abuse and aggression due to IU basketball fandom.
Knight was great at motivating his players, holding them accountable, being honest with them, getting them to adjust, and getting the most out of them. Yet, he was absolutely atrocious at being held accountable as he always had excuses, couldn't handle people being honest with him back, and was completely unable to adjust.
Man, being from New Mexico, I remember really hoping he would take the job at UNM. How weird would it be to see the Lobos in the Final Four, or even winning a National Championship? Also, before you all go at me, I was a kid back then, and all his flaws were just coming to the surface. It’s probably for the best he didn’t take the job.
I'm an alum of both IU and UNM, and was at many basketball games at Assembly Hall and The Pit. Most of my upperclassmen buddies at IU remembered Knight as Hoosiers coach; they hated Myles Brand for firing him but all admitted he was behind the times as a coach. I think things worked out well for UNM; the Lobos played better with Knight's protegé Steve Alford than Texas Tech, in the same decade, did with Knight himself.
I'm not an Indiana fan, as you might be able to tell, but I understand being loyal to a coach to a fault. People around here still venerate Les Miles and Ed Orgeron despite both of those guys being provable dirtbags and despite how badly it makes them look to literally anyone outside of Baton Rouge. But I really don't get how you could stick up for a guy like Knight judging by everything I've heard from and about him. To me, he is the distillation of the very worst parts of college sports as an institution.
You know I went to IU 2001-2005… my freshman year was the year they got to the final game and lost. 2 years NOT 1 after Knights departure unlike what most most think.. My Dad went in the Glory years 1973-1977… even though he adored Knight when he got fired he simply said. “It’s been a long time coming”… I was so mad I almost went to Ball State instead… The program declined with Mike Davis. I defend Davis on some things but when Indiana had a surge of in State Talent in the mid 2000’s Oden, Conley, Dominick James, and McRoberts to name a few he didn’t get 1… Not even McRoberts that had the 5 National Championship banners hanging above his bed. Apparently Davis’s home visit went terrible and he ended up going to Duke because he felt Davis had no interest in him and only came to visit him in Person to appease fans and boosters… The thing about IU basketball is they expect to be a National contender every single year… No school not even Kentucky or Duke can do that… I know I’m rambling, and the game has changed a lot since Knights time but people that are IU fans can’t get out of the past… I wasn’t a huge Tom Crean fan but he won 2 big championships in 4 years and got the Ax because they had a bad season when they were expected to be a real contender…. To summarize the Big Ten is too bloated and about to become even more bloated with schools for any one team to persistently dominate the conference ever again. Woodson honestly probably has his best chance for a title this year and frankly even in such a open year I doubt they make it past the Sweet 16… It’s funny that IU won the first tournament with 64 teams and not one since… Sorry the point is there will never again be a Bob Knight that will win 3 National titles in 11 years. (What should have been 4 in 12 if he hadn’t started Scott May in the 75 tourney with a cast on his hand… It’s unrealistic and in the meat grinder that the Big Ten is simply impossible…. Most IU fans didn’t even go to college let alone IU and hey I’m not knocking them, but they are the ones with the extreme expectations even worse than alumni…. It’s a problem that will never get fixed and I’m 40 and if I live to 80 I honestly think it’s 50/50 whether IU will ever win another national title… It’s a hard simple truth that we are a upper mid tier program that can’t get the kids Duke, Kansas, Carolina, Gonzaga and a dozen more can generate… The two real guys the program wants is Phew from Gonzaga and Stevens with the Celtics and neither are ever going to happen… The Knight era is what it is good and bad. If he had won in 92 with Cheney he may have not got fired when he did, but it still was inevitable. Hard facts from a Die hard IU basketball fan.
I kind of came of age between Knight the Hero and Knight the Villain. it was hard to reconcile because we were taught to respect all those tough as nails type coaches but then it all shifted.
Tough as nail coaches typically got the best out of there players on and off the court. So long as the toughness was revealed from a loving place. Nobody can reasonably defend the indefensible incidents Knight found himself in, but there were a lot of good things that Knight was responsible for as well during his Indiana coaching career. Like what he did for Landon Turner after he was paralyzed. Like how most of his former players still love and revere the guy to this day. I think this video is clearly painting a certain picture of Knight. But the REAL and complete picture of Knight has many different angles to consider. In a nutshell, Knight was a very flawed, but complexed man.
@@Peekul1 Knight basically did that though. On and off the court. When most of your former players still belove or at least respect you even after how everything ended, that speaks for itself. Again, Knight definitely deserved to get fired, but to not consider all the good he did do for the University and his players, is an incomplete view of Knight.
@@Riles3152 I agree that Knight was flawed and complex for sure the problem is that a lot of people in prior generations legitimately believe that his way of life is the only way to success. They took a very flawed and complex man...and revered him as the "simple solution" to having a good life. Realistically, everyone with a functioning brain knows that there are multiple paths to that That's my biggest issue with the Knight hero worship. It's less so the man himself. At the end of the day, he was just a basketball coach. he wasn't the President or some dictator with nukes or anything that could have had lasting global consequences. My issue is with this really warped and disturbed approach from some people to think that everything he did was not just excusable, but it was necessary to be successful in life. I have major problems with that
Growing up in Indiana, it’s crazy how much Knight got away with. My parents would always just roll their eyes when he would throw a chair. It’s crazy that he wasn’t fired sooner
It’s just how we are culturally in the US. Character is nice to have, but winning/being successful is really the only thing that truly matters. And if you’re good enough at what you do, there’s very little you can do wrong. People will make all sorts of excuses all day for you and attack the messengers. He only got canned because he fell off.
The lengths people will go to defend someone they don't know personally will never cease to puzzle me.
I know, like how half the country voted for Biden even though dementia has set in. Or how the other half voted for an egomaniac, amongst other mental issues. Humans are strange. Until you grow up in indiana, watch your home team win multiple championships, see former iu players have amazing success in multiple fields, you just can't understand how deep it runs. It's easy to pick apart and say, how could you support this person? I'm sure you could do the same for a lot of championship teams through history, Adolph Rupp could be considered a racist, Kentucky still has his name on their arena
Just look at some Trump supporters.
@@Sele1908 bro get outside and shoot some hoops, don’t even stress em.
Or condemn someone we don't know either.
@@Sele1908 or biden supporters, both sides are out of touch with reality
The player he choked during the Indiana practice is Neil Reed, he was my P.E. teacher my sophomore year of High School, his class of one of the few I actually liked, sadly he passed away from a heart attack in 2012 that was the summer before my senior year.
R.I.P Mr. Reed
Damn a fellow panther in the chat, small world we live in. I graduated in 2012 and I remember his death brought many of us back a few months after that summer. I'll always remember him making a no look half court shot during P.E class, the whole gym went nuts lol
@@superdupersubby Damn that is pretty nuts to find someone who went to the same high school as you in youtube comments lol
@@superdupersubbythat's crazy how we're both in the comments and we went to the same high school lol, you graduated one year before me so we pretty much went to school together for 3 years lol that's crazy.
Yea man his class was fun that's the one class I never ditched lol.
It's also crazy he came out on ESPN when he died they even did a report on him and they interviewed his wife, I recorded it on snapchat and I still have it saved
@@AspireGMD yea crazy bro, what's even crazier is that he graduated in 2012 and I did in 2013, so we pretty much went to school 3 years together lol. We probably passed each other In the hall or maybe even had a class together without even knowing
He was young:(
Bobby Knight is the prime example of what you can get away with in college sports if you're good at your job
You can get away with anything if you're a white coach in Indiana Basketball. All that state cares for is abortion billboards and college basketball.
Even today
Which is why he had so many NBA greats come through his program, right? Or why his teams after beating basketball powerhouse Rony Seikaly were so successful?
Just look at Urban Meyer
Or too many people's idea of a strong disciplinarian.
I was a massive basketball fan (still am), age 12 growing up in a small town about 45 minutes east of IU. My dad was obsessed with college basketball, calling it "real basketball". While I was a massive NBA and Reggie Miller fan. I always disliked Bob Knight, and even at my young age I could tell he was an unhinged coach. This story was huge local news here in Indiana, and I remember so many people defending him and downplaying all the stuff he did. Basketball, especially college basketball was royalty in Indiana. It was like one of my first times as a kid at seeing a large number of people get presented with actual facts, and them still passively ignoring them, all for the sake of their favorite team. This was probably my first time realizing the power of celebrity, and how some people really do become invincible. Or how we set standards or have a base set of morals we have for other people, that can be switched off if you happen to like that person, or attach your identity to a team.
Ah I will stop rambling, this video brought up so many memories though. lol It was very well done and really explainedit all in a nice summarized way without leaving out anything important.
i agree he was wrong for many things…but u ask 90% of his players they loved playing for bobby…and they won a lot…criticize him but he was the GOAT for a long time and brought up the one who says passed him in Coach K…Knight did dumb some things but he deserve some respect.
Was this the preeminent "small town" east of Bloomington? Seymour?
I grew up an hour south of Bloomington. I assume you also saw Texas Tech clothing start popping up all over the area.
People were demanding that his players put up with behavior that they themselves would not tolerate.
Thank you for the context
Reminds me of Penn State students with Joe Paterno
this is insane. he was an abusive tyrant for 30 years, faced mild consequences after years of being let off easy, and then disowned the school and wished death upon everyone responsible for the next 20 years. guy deserves no respect
He got offended when they decided not to kiss his ass and actually stand up to him
The players he coached really like him, still. I don't think the guy doesn't have any qualities, but I think giving him a free pass for such a long time just exacerbated his stubbornness and anger issues. Why change if everyone pats you in the back at the end?
Things are better today. He would’ve been canceled so fast. The world truly is a better place with cancel culture
@@themilwaukeebrewerswillnev7545 Is this comment sarcastic?
You are a pu$$y. Let’s meet up
I can’t think of a single thing Bob Knight didn’t have beef with
Bro probably had beef with beef. 😭
stg he had beef with my buddy eric ☠️☠️
Donald trump
The win column. That’s about it.
@@iAintSayDatdude had the last undefeated team. So...
Bob Knight is a classic case of three things: (i) the level to which people will forgive offenses of a reprehensible person if they have a particular talent that can be exploited, and (ii) the level to which power can be accumulated over time, to a point of being unchecked by anyone, even those technically in positions of authority above you, and (iii) the inability of a person to adapt to the world around them, growing ever indignant of change, and ever intractable in their stubbornness to repel change. Had he not been successful, and at Indiana in particular, he'd have been a vagabond coach along the likes of Larry Brown (but with repeated firings rather than resignations).
I'm a "nice person"; hire me to coach
@@darrengordon-hill I'm sorry your favorite basketball coach is an awful and abusive person
If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass when they jump
“Particular talent that can be exploited” that’s a weird way to say Value lol
@@darrengordon-hillincel posting
This isn't beef, this straight criminal
@@janoycresnova9156 brother choking someone and brandishing a gun at another is not legal
@@janoycresnova9156 Did you watch the video? He choked Neil Reid, punched a cop in Puerto Rico (which he was found guilty of), and multiple other instances of assault.
@@janoycresnova9156 Intimidation, assault, etc.
Enlightened
@@janoycresnova9156 You must be fun at parties.
Reed was a P.E teacher in my school, he was always one of the cool ones. One time in Senior year he found me and my friend ditching weights class and just told us to scram back to class instead of reporting us. RIP Mr. Reed.
My favorite part of Saturday, thank you Clara and co !!
This wasn't a beef between Knight and Indiana U. It was a beef between Knight and being a decent human being.
IMO it wasn't even that it was a beef between Knight and being held to a base level of accountability.
Bob knight is indianas abusive ex that they just can’t let go of. Defending him is gross and unnecessary
Feel better now???
What IU actually need that time was a higher-calibre coach who can brought instant success just so the fans can forget Bobby fast.
I mean, look at Penn State with Bill O'Brien and James Franklin.
@@darrengordon-hill Let me guess, Indiana fan?
Bobby Knight was basically the Suge Knight of NCAA Basketball.
Suge knight had no talent of his own. Is that really appropriate?
@@Hazztech Plus I don't think Bobby Knight ever injected any of his players with HIV.
@@Hazztech may not have been him but in the same ball park lol both bad guys…
@@samortmann5003 why are you standing up for the old fool he was an awful guy sorry your hero is morally bankrupt🥲
@@Hazztech you do realize suge played in the NFL right?
I love every Secret Base video, but I LOVE a Clara Morris narrated Secret Base video. Funny, insightful writer with charisma and natural delivery.
Beta simp needs mommy
She's really incredible at this
@@matthewjordan6957 Uhhh, why exactly?
@@matthewjordan6957 Because you're calling someone's comment pathetic for literally no reason?
@@matthewjordan6957 Hmm, must be Clara's ex or something.
The fact that THOUSANDS of students protested after ALL the stuff he did says a lot about them
I went to IU during that time...its because so many kids from across the country came to IU for Knight. It took the balls of President Brand, who then became the commissioner of the NCAA, to do the dirty work and get him out and stop the psychophants in Bloomington from enabling that fool.
Well the people of Indiana have always thought a little funny😂😂
The same college that gave you the Kinsey institute, where he studied the sexuality of children(even babies) and gave child abusers journals so he could learn about their process, not to keep abuse from happening though.. iu is a funny place, and bob knight is still loved in this state no matter what all the hit pieces may say
Meh, speaks more to the power of groupthink when it's organized around a collective identity like team sports. Look at all the people who defended Joe Paterno even after it was clear he covered up child r@pe
@@jordanalexander5275 Kinsey studied important stuff. People don't go from completely nonsexual to sexual when they turn 18, the development of sexuality in children is a topic worth study. I know I was definitely interested in sex and reproduction starting around 7.
That's the problem with being a tyrant. Once you can no longer dominate, you get kicked to the curb with the same lack of mercy you showed.
Edit: RIP
he was still dominating…
@@grantcastleman7116 In his last 6 years at Indiana, he never made it past the 1st weekend of the tournament. The game had passed him by.
@@lucashenderson2775 he made the tournament every year thats still great
@@grantcastleman7116 Yeah. He was dominating his lazy boy recliner.
@@grantcastleman7116 thats not dominant tho. Making the tournament and losing 1st round every year isn't successful enough to cover his ass like final 4 appearances and championships.
“The Last Days of Knight” is an outstanding documentary and does an excellent job of highlighting what a terrible human being Bobby Knight is. Neil Reed deserved better.
Reed was a weak pansy lol.
@@charismatic9904 so you would accept someone putting their hands around your throat and choking you like Knight did
@@charismatic9904 Damn. You feel cool now?
@@raimarulightning lmao. Touch a nerve did I?
@@jerryneil8558 oh stop he never put his hands around and choked. At worst he put 1 hand on his neck and held firmly.
And im not even a knight fan but jesus u people love to exaggerate
I loved this episode. No one ever openly talks about this when you’re a fan of IU basketball, merely whispers or offhand comments.
Love that last part by Clara, tells you more than anything how passionate fans would go to defend him, even if they weren’t even alive when he was fired
Getting Bart Simpson to do the voice over is such a genius move by secret base.
Great video. A reason why he was this way goes back to his time as a college basketball player at Ohio State. He used to watch the football practices when Woody Hayes coached the team because he admired him. A lot of the stuff you saw with Bobby Knight, you saw with Woody Hayes. Supposedly he was warned not to follow Hayes' example too closely because eventually he was going to go too far, which is what happened when he punched an opposing Clemson player in the 1978 Gator Bowl and got fired as a result. As a matter of fact, you should do a Rewinder on that Woody Hayes incident.
Always love the additional context of beef to be found in the comments. Learn something new after the video
This is a very important detail. He's practically a mirror image of Woody Hayes: Untouchable because of their success, program linked to the state's identity and self esteem, only removed when it became completely unjustifiable to keep them.
An espn show called top 5 reasons you can't blame... They had an episode on bob Knight, and mention woody.
@@Babyd1112 I remember seeing that here on TH-cam one day when I was bored. In that segment, one of the papers even had a cartoon of Bob looking into the mirror and seeing Woody Hayes instead of his reflection.
Frank Kush was another example of a hard nosed coach, who got the best out of his players whom he worked to death, but eventually crossed the line, and would lose his job as a result too.
If Indiana were still winning, he wouldn't have been fired.
People are insane.
1000% true
Also, if Indiana were still winning after he was fired, those sheeple will forget about him faster. Just look at Penn State.
That's what's wrong with these kids! How dare they not want to be choked or disrespected?! Those kids are the definition of soft. We need more tough coaches like Bob Knight!
Sarcasm. I'm all for coaches and people in authority holding their students/players accountable, but putting your hands on people is unnecessary. Mr Knight should be happy none of those young men introduced him to a nap.
Those young men would've been lynched by the state of Indiana. They should be happy they didn't knock him out
I'm surprised that none of those kids gave him a two piece. No fries and chips of course.
@@thehappysmiler6752 fr! If a fat old man like bob knight did that to me id throw his ass on the ground and ask if he wants to keep getting physical
He knew who he could do it to and get away with it he never tried it on guys like Isaiah or Mike Woodson those guys were tough kids from tough neighborhoods and had tough parents. Knight respected that he knew where that line was with them.
The donkey in Purdue gear is low key hilarious
it's crazy that Bob Knight and Gene Keady (legendary Purdue coach) are good friends considering how much Knight loathed all things Purdue. Also, by all accounts Gene Keady was never remotely close to being the sociopath lunatic that Bob Knight was...although I admit that's jumping over a low bar lol
Be careful Clara... You might get death threats from these delusional fans holding on to their success from 40 years ago...
40 years ago?? Half of those fans are dead, and the other half are on mobility scooters at this point. Clara could simply out walk them laughing all the way.
It's kind of sad to think that Knight might never have had consequences if the on court performance of the team stayed top tier
we kind of see echoes with how urban meyer was able to employ awful abusers and assaulters and not have repurcussions and how many people protested when Joe Paterno was fired after Sandusky's evil crimes were revealed
Then urban went to an NFL team, and couldn't last an entire season
More echoes in how many people defend Gym Jordan aka Sandusky 2.0 in Ohio, simply because he's a republican.
Clara Morris will write and narrate my nonexistent storied sports career
The defense of an abusive coach reminds me of Penn State students protesting removing a statue of Joe Paterno for covering up extensive child sex abuse by his assistant coach.
And then Bill O'Brien made them forget about that in record time.
Thinking about it, maybe what IU need back then was hiring big names and bringing them instant success so those corn-eating sheeple could move on sooner.
Or Michigan with Bo
Well written. I used to be a Knight apologist in my youth but as I've grown, I just see him now only as the bully he is.
Current IU student and IU basketball fan. I never really understood why people look past all this, but I can confirm many people in the area still very much so treat Bob Knight like royalty for some reason.
Hell yes. Great pick for a beef history. Makes me wanna throw a chair
It goes to show in sports, as long as you are winning, fans will put up with damn near anything
I used to be really good friends with his grandson. He told me personally a lot of the allegations against him were true and the university of Indiana let him get away with it until the stories got bigger and bigger. He also said his grandfather was really upset when ESPN sabotaged him in the documentary after working for them for many years. As he got older and suffers from dementia, his family thinks the media wanted to attack him when he can’t even defend himself anymore.
University of Indiana. Enough said.
@@SnapperX3 Hoosiers in general are odd, Kentucky is somehow more progressive a community
Nothing like a middle aged man who enjoys screaming at 18-22 year olds with abuse of authority
No you're right... middle aged WOMEN is the solution!!
More single mommas telling their kids to hit opponents for fouling them...
Black women built like linebacker shouting at undersized white male refs... and if those refs complain, they'll be accused of "racist misogyny"
That’s college sports for you lmao
98% graduation rate
@@jumpingbombangels2856that's a funny way of saying "all of the students wanted to get the hell out of there"
@@cybercrasherstv By staying all 4 years and getting their degree? That’s a strange and long way to “get the hell out of there”
IU's relationship with Bob Knight is similar an abusive parent. No matter what that parent does (choking, punching, screaming), the kid still does everything to receive the love of said parent
can we appreciate how the music makes all of Secret Bases videos that much more intriguing to watch??
Music is awful and emotionally manipulative
Typical for a woman
This sort of thing is what happens when Winning is more important than Treating People With Basic Dignity.
They hand out million dollar contracts and trophies for "being nice"??
Do the Olympics exist to "treat people with basic dignity"??
Cos those using PEDs didn't get that memo...
@@darrengordon-hill Whataboutism.
@@mcj88
Virtue signalling
@@darrengordon-hill why are you so triggered and personally offended?
“Wiping himself and showing the team the toilet paper.” That is a wow and disgusting moment
“Nobody ever explained that to me”. ZERO TOLERANCE. Really 😅
Right?!
I just watched the ESPN doc on Knight, crazy coincidence that this come out so soon
Seems to me that the turning point for Indiana Basketball was their opening game of the season , when they lost to coach Pete Bell and his Western University. Of course that Weatern team DID have freshmen Shaq & Penny Hardaway to go along with Ricky Roe’s shooting, and they still had Tony playing his senior year (this was before the truth of Tony’s point shaving during his freshman year came to light). Indiana never really recovered from that, being that their best player at the time was Calvert Cheaney.
Hahaha
A Blue Chips reference in 2023. ❤
@@Adamdidit it’s an underrated classic
Tony fluked television
@@williamgullett5911 yea but that class is hard. It’s not just watching the tube. And anyway he got a tutor. His point shaving was a much bigger issue. Damn Happy.
You know it's a good-ass video when the commentator straight-up calls one of the people involved a "monster" 2 minutes in.
It's good that women call men "monster" for no reason??
Not THE RAPIST... just, a guy she dislikes??
Beta simp.
You know the cop schloppy is gonna be good when the cop is hunky
@Darren Gordon-Hill are you dumb? Stfu you're humiliating yourself
@@flow81929 Are you able to explain WHY I'm wrong... or are you just triggered by the word "rape ?
I put these on sometimes for background noise, as the video goes on, I'm thinking "How did this guy have his job for so long? Was this the 50s?".
Imagine if this guy wasn't coaching young men on scholarships and had to deal with grown men who had leverage against him. He'd get his ass beat before the 2nd practice.
Let's be honest. If in the last couple years before his firing he won a couple championships he'd never have been fired.
A dry aged Kobe wagyu steak worthy of a beef history. Legendary feud between Bobby Knight and IU administration. The chair is still one of my favorite moments.
Something y’all didn’t mention is that one of his players, Mike Woodson, is the coach now. That’s part of the reason that He came back, is because the Crean and Miller instructions had effectively forced a “Bob Knight” call back, so they went with Woodson. And he’s been a huge reason that Knight’s reintegrated with IU B-Ball.
at the very least Mike Woodson is NOT like Bob Knight in terms of behaviour/discipline
Yeah by call back they meant "to be able to establish a link to the guy." For recruiting purposes, because college basketball is all about recruitment, not about skill development or tactical intelligence. You have to leverage your history to trick teenagers into thinking they'll somehow inherit the powers of success they had from people who are in their 60's now There's no way he was going to be able to act like him and it not immediately start rumors.
The most important part of his 2020 comeback, Purdue won that game.
And still have 0 national titles 😢😂
74-62. It's the little things that get you through this life.
I love Clara Morris!!! She is the absolute best and is now the face of this channel when I think about it😂😂😊😊
Simp
@Darren Gordon-Hill god you're a pathetic kid
As someone who grew up in Indiana with Purdue fans for parents, I never heard anything but good things about Bobby Knight. My dad watched the game where he threw true chair when it was on tv. He was a really really problematic person, but if you win basketball games in Indiana, Hoosiers will love you forever and ever
Bobby Knight will go down in the end as one of the greatest embarrassments in sports history. He talked about making his teams disciplined and never had any himself. He was cruel to staff and members of the university throughout his career. And when he was called out for his appalling behavior he lashed out with even more cruelty.
He is THE example of how winning is above all else in college sports and also the reason why this kind of behavior should never be tolerated ever again.
He is a dinosaur. Let him and his ways be as extinct as they are.
"Discplinary for thee, but not for me. General Knight, leader of men."
UrinatingTree if he was a hoosier instead of yinzer.
@@musyarofah1 Between UrinatingTree and Secret Base, you don't need anything else from Sports TH-cam.
Always enjoy a secret base video and one where we hear from Clara.
Didn't know any of this Indiana basketball history. Really surprised that 20 years later they still were so excited to have this couch come back with all of that. More so his extremely long beef with the school rather than all the stuff he did while at the school, unfortunately.
It’s an extremely biased video
I was a junior at IU the year that they went undefeated--the last team to do so--and he was infamous even then. He would veto concerts at Assembly Hall---even though he had absolutely no authority to do so---because he thought all the hippies would scar the arena's hardwood floor, which was covered by thick pads and tarp. President Ryan and AD Ralph Floyd let him get away with it. He rear-ended a student at a stoplight and blamed the kid for not getting off the light quickly enough. The student was given a ticket for reckless driving. Even the Bloomington Police were in his back pocket. There is no bigger fan of IU basketball than I, but I celebrated the day he was shown the door.
Bobby Knight was a disgraceful bully that verbally and physically abused his players, coaches, fans, and referees. He was allowed to get away with it because he was a highly successful coach. Should have been fired 20 years before they actually did it. He's very similar to Woody Hayes!!
As long as Indiana was winning Big 10 and NCAA championships, the university was willing to put up with his behavior. When the Hoosiers started being less successful, the university was looking for a reason to get rid of Knight, and Bobby handed them the reason on a silver platter.
That's not right either
Bobby created his own destruction too. Like many abusive people, they usually have a system where they create dependence and stockholm syndrome, which they deny, gaslight, call the victims whiners and soft(like all the comments section trolls are doing) and their victims will defend them until the end. But once he started stepping over that line and the top recruits started running away to be treated with some dignity, they started losing. He couldnt leverage the IU name to win for him anymore, and that was his biggest mistake. Because his behavioral issues were intentional, not at all a mistake.
Have Knight coach Latrell Sprewell. We can take bets on who will get choked out and when it will happen.
We tried but Sprewell said $21 million in three years wasn't enough to fed his kids
I was a student at IU when he came back for the 2020 game (which we lost lol) and I was definitely excited and most people I knew were too. I think it had a lot to do with people hearing about Knight from their parents, and only getting the good parts. None of us even remembered him getting fired or looked further into why.
Nowadays though, anytime I see pictures of him at practice (apparently he was going every week for the 22-23 season) it's like this weird figure that the program doesn't want to shun, but doesn't really want to be in the spotlight. I'm sure the new approach has to do a lot with one of his players being the HC and the new president who desperately wants to seem "cool".
I was an IU student from 2012-2016, but I’m originally from California, so I had no stake in the game. The way I saw it, he was a nut job whose firing was inevitable and a good move for the university. My convictions were hardened after the whole Mike Rice thing at Rutgers. However, I was one of the only ones who felt this way. Most people I spoke to, from the IU or Bloomington communities, still defended him and viewed him as the wronged party. The failings of the university in basketball were because he was fired (ignoring the lack of success in the late ‘90s). People still went wild when he’d come up on the big board before games, either as a photo or the clip of him throwing the chair.
Then the opinion of him slowly started to change. I had heard that for a while, he hadn’t even come to Bloomington. But he slowly started to probe, having speaking events off campus. People started to see him as a crazy grudge-holding old man when he refused to come to Guyton’s Hall of Fame ceremony. That perception was amplified when he didn’t come to the ceremony for the 1976 team, despite literally everyone wanting him to. Even his son tried to tell him to come back. He also stumped for Trump in southern Indiana during the 2016 election, which turned off some of the IU and Bloomington population (Bloomington is possibly the most liberal city in the state).
When he finally came back, a lot of the people I spoke to were a bit apathetic, like it was too little, too late. When Woodson, a Hoosier legend under Knight, was hired, that completed the healing. Now Bobby has attended practices. Meanwhile, Guyton is a trustee. Yet I’m sure most people still view him as a god there, ignoring all the things he did.
You can do an entire mini series on Bobby Knight Beef
Some NCAA fan bases are flat-out embarrassing. I still can't get over the behavior of Penn State football fans after the Jerry Sandusky scandal.
As a lifelong Hoosier, I can confirm his legendary status inIndiana, growing up in Bluffton, IN, his picture hung on the wall next to Clinton. All of my basketball coaches literally worshiped this doofus as did my grandfather and my dad
dont call the Goat a doofus
Thanks for virtue signalling on TH-cam.
Sure your wife's boyfriend is proud of you
@@grantcastleman7116that rape quote is enough to call him a doofus. You only say that when your brain is smooth enough to skate over it
Sounds like your dad and grandpa were some good guys wonder where they went wrong
The coaches worshipped clinton????
Sorry, double post:
I also wanted to point out that Michael Lewis, the player who did the most to smear Neil Reed’s reputation and defend Bobby Knight, went on to a successful coaching career and has never publicly apologized for his verbal attacks on Reed.
That's exactly what I was thinking of. Lewis was an ignorant scumbag who looked the other way, just like everyone else in Indiana.
Sadly he never got his apology, Neil Reed died in 2012 fr a heart attack, he was my PE teacher in high school.
What kind of moral bankruptcy do you have to have to justify this man's behaviour in the name of sports?
Great video as always. It's unfortunate that the investigations only started once the basketball team struggled. It makes you wonder, if Indiana had continued to be a top 10 program and win national championships would there ever been an investigation? Could he have just kept abusing players for another decade?
Yeah just ask the Chicago Blackhawks...
Just look at Penn State.
It's really dark that the comments are filled with "yes, look at another place where abuse was allowed to be down"
I guess I'll add to it, albeit a much lighter example. Look at the astros. The answer is yes
Knight is a top 5 coach in college basketball history, that never committed any violations (that we know of), graduated his players and got the absolute best out of there abilities. But the guy, his temper and his ego, was out of control and enabled for too long at that University. He got what he deserved.
I don't know what I'm happy about a brief History a brief History involving bob Knight or that Clara is doing the commentary 😍😍😍👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
He ran a great furniture store. If you bought a sofa, he would throw in a chair.
Anybody that's spent a few years in the state will tell you it's not surprising that so many people acted like this.
Along with Philadelphians and Ohions, Indianans... Indianites? Are my least favorite people
@@golden-sun The worst midwestern person is a better person than the nicest Californian
@@bartcooper2920 actually good point I hate Californians too
@@bartcooper2920 you just mad you can’t live by the beach sad lil guy 🤡🤡
@@bartcooper2920 wasn’t John Wayne Gacy a midwesterner?
Former Duke Coach K's mentor was Bobby Knight at Army.
The perfect example of an abusive Narcissist mixed with genius basketball IQ
Indiana fans are clowns for not disowning this guy. Knight never apologized and never tried to make things right. Fans accepted him back just because. Makes them look just as bad as him.
After seeing all the
Indiana students protest Knight’s firing, maybe they should have dressed up the donkey in Indiana apparel instead of Purdue.
The fact that he is still loved today by so many is shocking. With people getting offended so easily and for him to do criminal stuff, yet still be a hero is the most incredible thing ever
I don’t think it’s a praising of what he did off the court but what was done on the court. He had a fire and intensity to his coaching. He is absolutely beloved here in Indiana and he always will be. You can hate the artist, and feel free to, but you shouldn’t be ashamed if you enjoy a piece of their art
@@toilet4441 I mean sure his coaching may have been a winning style but it’s a little different then art from artist his coaching style directly lead to this incidents
@@lucasgales3008 his coaching style had nothing to do with the terrible things he did and said. If you’re talking about his aggressive coaching style, that is most certainly a product of his time in the army back in the 60’s in the middle of the Vietnam war. Sure he didn’t go to Nam but just being in basic training during that time is hell. This led him to be aggressive in his teaching of basketball. And don’t get me wrong, HE SAID AND DID REALLY BAD THINGS, but there is a reason there was backlash by players that were under him when the university booted him. I feel it is very apparent that the lack of mental toughness by the kids in the 90’s was a direct cause of the dwindling success of the IU program at that time. The fact that the players of the 80’s revere him tells me that they embraced the hardship it was to be coached by him and that’s why they were successful
Including IU's current coach.
@@mjolnirandrails8785 exactly. Woodson isn’t a cutthroat guy like Knight but he obviously retained the stuff he learned and made IU a ranked team for basically the entire season
What a great day, Secret Base posted!
Kinda despicable that the fans still wanted him to come back after all that he did.
That's Indiana, the Mississippi of the Midwest.....I live on the Ohio side in a bordering County, I still drive to Kentucky but avoid the Hoosier state at all costs. Cincinnati is between so many dimensions of our country
Indiana is not known as a particularly intelligent state. And I couldnt help but notice on that frozen picture of the IU students holding up the sign that there were not very many attractive students in that picture either.
Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul
Rewinder: Miami fsu, either of the wide rights
Rewinder: 1991 World Series
Rewinder: Sidney Crosby’s golden goal
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Beef history: olympiacos vs panathinaikos
Beef history: miami vs fsu
Beef history: Michael Jordan vs Isiah Thomas
Beef history: Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Beef history: George Steinbrenner vs Billy Martin
Beef history, George Steinbrenner vs Dave Winfield
Collapse: how the Montreal Canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of lord Stanley for 28 years
Collapse: how the Buffalo Bills failure to win one of 4 straight Super Bowls led to 2 decades of failure
Collapse: how Arsenal went from the top of the premier league, to meddling mediocrity
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Untitled: Ted Williams
Untitled: marcel Dionne
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Untitled: pavel Bure
Untitled: Barry sanders
Untitled: Johan Cruyff in the World Cup
Untitled: Dominique Wilkins
You're forgetting Beef History: Steinbrenner vs Costanza.
@@pittland44
Beef History: Ayrton Senna vs Alain Prost
Rewinder: Liverpool vs FC Barcelona 2019
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Untiteled Jose Mourinho
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Rewinder: 1995 ALDS
@@epicchk4319 what kind of untitled Mou have?
@@musyarofah1 Being successful but he can only stay on a team for 3 years before everything becomes toxic
Nobody ever explained what "zero tolerance" means is an incredible thing to say on TV
My dad was one of the lawyers on the assistant coach lawsuit. Bob knight lost and they had to figure out damages. I'm not joking when I say one of the solutions was: Bob knight signs 100 basketballs and gives them to the other guy who then sells them on eBay and keeps 100% of the money. Knight declined and just payed $25,000 instead which I think is way lamer.
Clara Morris is so damn good at this. 🐐
After Indiana Fired Him He Went To Coach At Texas Tech !!! HOW CAN YOU LEAVE THAT OUT ????
Not too relevant to his beef with IU i guess, except Texas Tech also wears red lol
He was clearly an insane person so I'm curious about this one
John Stamos in that Disney show plays an angry coach who got fired for throwing a chair. The character seems to be loosely inspired by this coach.
Ron Swanson on Parks and Rec, too.
It's really sick and demented of ppl that support Knight...truly disgusting
lmao the kind of coach you hope runs into someone like Latrell Sprewell xD
I didn’t think a university’s fan base and support network could present themselves more shamefully than Penn State’s after Joe Paterno was fired, boy was I wrong…
This is definitely bad, but that was way worse.
Lol hitting grown men and saying mean things is definitely much worse than r8ping kids. What a clown comment
@@ilikenothingtoo the crime committed was definitely worse than what Knight did but I’m referring to the reaction to the dismissal
the only reason people are so hard on Coach Paterno is because he became bigger than the university. he didn’t commit any crimes, he did exactly what the state of PA required them to do. anyone who says they would’ve done more, they are lying to themselves. it’s easy to say you would’ve done more when you aren’t actually presented with the issue. in the end, it falls solely on the University, the AD, and the President…..they gave the monster the access not the coach. that’s why the fans acted they way they did. victimize and gaslit a man when everyone would’ve done the same thing…
Wow he brought a whip to his team, all Hell naw! I remember the rape comment, him wiping his butt showing the team. He was definitely a pos
As a paraplegic hostage about to be gang raped for the 5th time today... how do you plan to fight it??
How will you resolve it by... NOT enjoying it??
How could you be a fan of this guy? I'm a blazers fan and if damning news like this came out about my childhood heroes it would change every thing. Kind of like how Utah fans feel about Stockton and Malone now a days.
Whats wrong with Stockton?
Reminds me of how Paterno was treated at Penn State and what eventually happened because of it
My brother had an ex-fiance who was from Indiana. He went with her to Indiana to meet her family. He told me that her grandparents had pictures of two people in the foyer of their home. One was Jesus Christ and the other was Bobby Knight. I thought he was making it up, but he stands by the story years later.
Lou Henson was the anti-Bob Knight. They coached together for over 20 years during the peak of the Illinois-Indiana rivalry. While Knight had more accolades, Henson is still revered today while Knight is increasingly remembered as the shitbag he was. Some guys are overly competitive or passionate, and we give them a pass like Jordan. However Knight time and time again just went too far.
I’m currently working as an intern in Indianapolis & recently had a Bob Knight debate with a coworker. It amazed me how an otherwise very logical and intelligent person had no problem handwaving and minimizing his abuse and aggression due to IU basketball fandom.
Bro was pushing kids into trashcans 🤣🤣
Knight was great at motivating his players, holding them accountable, being honest with them, getting them to adjust, and getting the most out of them. Yet, he was absolutely atrocious at being held accountable as he always had excuses, couldn't handle people being honest with him back, and was completely unable to adjust.
"Allegedly shoved an LSU fan into a garbage can" is hilarious tho
Man, being from New Mexico, I remember really hoping he would take the job at UNM. How weird would it be to see the Lobos in the Final Four, or even winning a National Championship? Also, before you all go at me, I was a kid back then, and all his flaws were just coming to the surface. It’s probably for the best he didn’t take the job.
I'm an alum of both IU and UNM, and was at many basketball games at Assembly Hall and The Pit. Most of my upperclassmen buddies at IU remembered Knight as Hoosiers coach; they hated Myles Brand for firing him but all admitted he was behind the times as a coach. I think things worked out well for UNM; the Lobos played better with Knight's protegé Steve Alford than Texas Tech, in the same decade, did with Knight himself.
I'm not an Indiana fan, as you might be able to tell, but I understand being loyal to a coach to a fault. People around here still venerate Les Miles and Ed Orgeron despite both of those guys being provable dirtbags and despite how badly it makes them look to literally anyone outside of Baton Rouge. But I really don't get how you could stick up for a guy like Knight judging by everything I've heard from and about him. To me, he is the distillation of the very worst parts of college sports as an institution.
You know I went to IU 2001-2005… my freshman year was the year they got to the final game and lost. 2 years NOT 1 after Knights departure unlike what most most think.. My Dad went in the Glory years 1973-1977… even though he adored Knight when he got fired he simply said. “It’s been a long time coming”… I was so mad I almost went to Ball State instead… The program declined with Mike Davis. I defend Davis on some things but when Indiana had a surge of in State Talent in the mid 2000’s Oden, Conley, Dominick James, and McRoberts to name a few he didn’t get 1… Not even McRoberts that had the 5 National Championship banners hanging above his bed. Apparently Davis’s home visit went terrible and he ended up going to Duke because he felt Davis had no interest in him and only came to visit him in Person to appease fans and boosters… The thing about IU basketball is they expect to be a National contender every single year… No school not even Kentucky or Duke can do that… I know I’m rambling, and the game has changed a lot since Knights time but people that are IU fans can’t get out of the past… I wasn’t a huge Tom Crean fan but he won 2 big championships in 4 years and got the Ax because they had a bad season when they were expected to be a real contender…. To summarize the Big Ten is too bloated and about to become even more bloated with schools for any one team to persistently dominate the conference ever again. Woodson honestly probably has his best chance for a title this year and frankly even in such a open year I doubt they make it past the Sweet 16… It’s funny that IU won the first tournament with 64 teams and not one since… Sorry the point is there will never again be a Bob Knight that will win 3 National titles in 11 years. (What should have been 4 in 12 if he hadn’t started Scott May in the 75 tourney with a cast on his hand… It’s unrealistic and in the meat grinder that the Big Ten is simply impossible…. Most IU fans didn’t even go to college let alone IU and hey I’m not knocking them, but they are the ones with the extreme expectations even worse than alumni…. It’s a problem that will never get fixed and I’m 40 and if I live to 80 I honestly think it’s 50/50 whether IU will ever win another national title… It’s a hard simple truth that we are a upper mid tier program that can’t get the kids Duke, Kansas, Carolina, Gonzaga and a dozen more can generate… The two real guys the program wants is Phew from Gonzaga and Stevens with the Celtics and neither are ever going to happen… The Knight era is what it is good and bad. If he had won in 92 with Cheney he may have not got fired when he did, but it still was inevitable. Hard facts from a Die hard IU basketball fan.
Feels like this episode was less a beef between Knight and Indiana, and more Knight vs The very concept of accountability.
I kind of came of age between Knight the Hero and Knight the Villain. it was hard to reconcile because we were taught to respect all those tough as nails type coaches but then it all shifted.
Tough as nail coaches typically got the best out of there players on and off the court. So long as the toughness was revealed from a loving place. Nobody can reasonably defend the indefensible incidents Knight found himself in, but there were a lot of good things that Knight was responsible for as well during his Indiana coaching career. Like what he did for Landon Turner after he was paralyzed. Like how most of his former players still love and revere the guy to this day. I think this video is clearly painting a certain picture of Knight. But the REAL and complete picture of Knight has many different angles to consider. In a nutshell, Knight was a very flawed, but complexed man.
@@Riles3152 Well the thing is that good coaches get the best out of their players. The theatrics and drama are just that.
@@Peekul1 Knight basically did that though. On and off the court. When most of your former players still belove or at least respect you even after how everything ended, that speaks for itself. Again, Knight definitely deserved to get fired, but to not consider all the good he did do for the University and his players, is an incomplete view of Knight.
@@Riles3152 I agree that Knight was flawed and complex for sure
the problem is that a lot of people in prior generations legitimately believe that his way of life is the only way to success. They took a very flawed and complex man...and revered him as the "simple solution" to having a good life. Realistically, everyone with a functioning brain knows that there are multiple paths to that
That's my biggest issue with the Knight hero worship. It's less so the man himself. At the end of the day, he was just a basketball coach. he wasn't the President or some dictator with nukes or anything that could have had lasting global consequences. My issue is with this really warped and disturbed approach from some people to think that everything he did was not just excusable, but it was necessary to be successful in life. I have major problems with that
People are charmin soft these days straight fruit loops ..
Growing up in Indiana, it’s crazy how much Knight got away with. My parents would always just roll their eyes when he would throw a chair. It’s crazy that he wasn’t fired sooner
I don’t think Bob Knight ever realized that basketball is a sport, you know, a kids game that’s meant to be fun. Absolute psychopath!
It’s just how we are culturally in the US. Character is nice to have, but winning/being successful is really the only thing that truly matters. And if you’re good enough at what you do, there’s very little you can do wrong. People will make all sorts of excuses all day for you and attack the messengers. He only got canned because he fell off.
As opposed to propping up losers???
If I sucked at the job/was wholly unqualified but was REALLY POLITE AND KIND, would you hire me??
@@darrengordon-hill bit of a non sequitur. There's plenty of competent college coaches that aren't racist sexist clowns
@@darrengordon-hill Darren, you need to calm down