Hearing about Sloan’s coaching style and and recent stuff about Chris Paul putting his team on a curfew during the New Orleans series makes me think that they would’ve loved playing together
CP, in his own words, was in the streets during his NOLA tenure. Meaning he would party after every game basically. Current CP and Sloan might vibe (CP wouldn’t deal well with being kept on a tight leash play-calling wise), but I’m not sure young CP would
@@melvinwright4184 And for how CP3 got along with Harden? Now the party stuff is minor, Karl Malone for instance did… stuff, and still got along with Sloan, but I think CP3 would want his way with the offense. It wouldn’t of worked with him either. Like I said, great coach, wrong century for Sloan.
Respect to Deron Williams for owning up to how he was. Every interview I have seen of him recently you never hear him blame anyone but himself for his time in Utah or how his career played out. That is true growth as a person. I think he'd be a great consultant for young talent to speak to before they enter the league
I dont think I've ever seen a player fall off as fast as Deron Williams. The guy went from being arguably the best PG in the league to a total scrub when he left Utah. He had like one good year with the NJ Nets before they relocated to Brooklyn, and then he fell off the map.
I was just about to comment about that part but decided to scroll through first lol... That line caused that old white man to quit his job knowing he was totally out of touch with the youth of that day
Yeah, those two were compared to the same way Trae Young and Luka are compared to these days. "What ifs". Deron's star rose faster, but faded faster. CP has had a far better, more stabler career.
Both parts shared the blame in this mess. D-Will for being so immature and belligerent towards his coach and Sloan for being so stubborn and set in his ways. It's one thing to maintain a level of authority and sense of tradition, but there also has to be an evolution of the culture and style of play more on par with the times. Look at how successful Gregg Poppovich has been with the Spurs and how he's nurtured an incredible amount of talent AND coaches in the NBA, while adapting his stance throughout the years.
Lol the main complaint with Pop is he drove Kawhi away and none of the young guys (with the exception of Murray) have bought into his hard-nosed style of discipline. Absolutely no different thy Slone.
@@LeeGHThomas yeah Kawhi, the same guy that has people handle his business and making demands, while he "load manages". History will show he accomplished more under Pop than elsewhere.
@@LeeGHThomas Pop didn't drive Kawhi away. Even when people discuss who drove Kawhi away (no-one did, he specifically wanted to leave and live in LA), it's Tony Parker who gets the blame for his comment about Kawhi's injury not being that serious. This idea that Pop was at fault is just you making something up.
I remember being in middle school when the news broke out about Sloan retiring. As a die hard Jazz fan as a kid, watching this all crumble away was heartbreaking, especially since D-Will was my favorite player. I'm glad they got at least a moment to talk things over before Jerry passed. Just sad to think about what could have been if they had worked things out
It’s a very sad story in my opinion…but I feel like this fails to capture how good Deron Williams was at his peak. He had an excellent stint. May have ended too soon but it was much longer than others.
2:23 I remember that 2003-04 Jazz season! No more Malone and Stockton. His best players were a young Andrei Kirilenko, Deshawn Stevenson, and Carlos Arroyo. Preseason predictions had them losing like 60 games that year and he guided them to a 42-40 record just missing the playoffs by one game.
Carlos Arroyo was worth trusting too, but Carlos has said on occasions that Jerry didn't trust Puertorican basketball for its lack of superstar talent. This came off as xenophobic according to Arroyo.
Always interesting peripherally to me that Jerry Sloan was from Illinois, Deron Williams played at U of I, and their breaking point came during a Bulls game, the team where Sloan became a star.
As a Utah resident my whole life, this broke my heart when deron wanted to leave. He was one of the only bright spots on those teams, and led some surprising playoff runs. He was never the same after he left Salt Lake City
I miss this team when I was young. D-Will, Boozer, AK, Mehmet, Young Paul Millsap... I remember, they are pretty good team, but always losing to the Lakers and Spurs.
Ahh I remember that team. I was never a fan of Utah. But Utah would always knock out my Warriors. This was pre Curry days. This was the We Believe Warriors team. But we couldn't get past Utah. AK has the sweetest nick name too! AK-47 LOL!
@@vincentgelvez Haha yeah. I thought AK was their star player before the arrival of DWill and Boozer. AK was relegated to be their defensive specialist, similar to the role of Green now to the Warriors. AK is a stat stuffer like Green before
As a lifelong jazz fan seeing this episode of beef hurt my soul and took me back to a place I didn't want to look at again.. Even now I still think back to what could have been....
I remembered growing up and passionately hating the jazz but I've always respected that team! And I remembered being so pissed off by the way coach Sloan retired and I knew it was because of Darion Williams! You could tell that any person coaching a team over 20 plus years that he was a hell of a person to be around! ALWAYS BLESS JERRY SLOANS SOUL
Great Documentary. Williams was even booed the few games as a Jazz player until the trade was final. The loyal Jazz fans booed their own player. I knew he was going to be traded. But the acknowledgement of Deron to know he was difficult to deal with and his apology is truly amazing in this day and age.
I was at the last game that Sloan coached. He was visibly livid at the end of the game, I've never seen anyone that mad about anything in my life. To add insult to injury, his last game was against the Bulls, the team that Jerry played for, and former Jazz star Carlos Boozer was playing for Chicago that year (not to mention the team that Jerry Sloan lost to in the finals twice).
Yes, in a strange way everything came home. I felt guilty cheering for Boozer because I couldn't stand what he did in Cleveland weaseling his way out a contract.
I'm born and raised in Utah and I was so excited to have Deron Williams ! I mean in just his 2nd year in 2007 he totally balled out in the playoffs and led them to the WCF ! They lost to the spurs who went on to win the title that year but Williams played great that series the future looked so bright ! Then over the next 3 seasons him and CP3 were the top 2 PGs in the league and a lot times I thought Deron was better than Paul cause he was bigger and stronger , then all of sudden Sloan retires and Williams get traded ! Just like that it was over then he fell off a cliff with the Nets , sad story 😞
Such a shame how badly Deron Williams fell off in such a short time. I remember when people thought he was better than CP3 and I absolutely HATED when he played against my Lakers in the playoffs... His pull up game back then was incredible.
My fellow Terp back with more greatness! Always wondered about the course of events that led to Deron Williams giving the league the premature middle finger
Jerry Sloan was a pain in the side of us Laker Fans..... since Showtime even Still, I always thought it was sad how Deron drove him out of Utah, his home. Or made him want to quit, whichever
Salute to D-Will! He realized he made some mistakes and sounds like he faced up to them and apologized to his coach. In my opinion, the worst move was leaving/ requesting a trade from the Jazz but again he had a good career, made a lot of money, and made a name for himself. Good for him.
Damn....I didn't even know Sloan passed away... awww mannn 🥺. I really liked him as a coach. So sad to hear. Growing up in Chicago I was an Illini fan enjoyed Williams gameplay. Never knew he was difficult to coach. REST IN PEACE JERRY!
They act like D-Will just got bad. He had hella injuries by the time he got traded. The offense was antiquated and would repeatedly get shut down by actual contenders and teams that have equal or more talent. As far as their interactions, both sides were immature and petty. At the end, DWill was at least the bigger man at the end. So that’s something. Imo opinion Sloan had been coaching so long, that I think he was looking for a reason to quit.
agree with this almost 100%. both were immature, stubborn, and petty. the guy was like 40yrs older than williams but was so stuck in his ways that he couldn't be the bigger person. blowing up bc a play was called on the other side of the court? obviously that was just the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back, but being that stubborn when doing things 100% your way literally never led to a championship is nuts
This video is huge historical revisionism. Go listen to David Locke's radio interview with Sloan 5 minutes after Sloan officially announced his retirement. Sloan told a completely different story than this video. Sloan didn't think this fight was a big one, he's had far worse and didn't mind. (Greg Ostertag once threw a bag of ice at Sloan's head when his back was turned. Sloan was happy to still bring Ostertag back his final season.) What happened was Sloan said he felt himself getting old in the month or two prior. He didn't have the energy to fight. He wasn't doing film like he used to or standing up to players like he should. When the DWill dustup happened, Sloan realized his time arrived, he had to quit because of his declining health. He just got old.
@@Slame333 yeah i think in the end, the real truth is somewhere in between the two. At least the two guys were able to patch things up by the end. Deron is right...letting grudges go without a reconciliation can take a toll on anyone
I believe he was recently then diagnosed with Parkinson. Plus his wife passed away recently. Frankly him being just exhausted was accurate. He just couldn't do it anymore. Father Time waits for all men because eventually he will have his due. Except if you are Lebron apparently.
Excellent Beef History video by Secret Base, as always. And by the way, it’s great to hear Clara Morris again! That’s awesome. Before I forget, however, I’d like to make a Beef History video suggestion: Michael Jordan vs. Jerry Krause, the GM of the Bulls during M.J.’s years in Chicago. I think that would make for a great episode, as Jordan’s hatred of Krause has been well documented over the years. I know you can do it, Secret Base!
D-Will has the Alpha Dog gene and so did Sloan, albeit as a coach. D-Will also had crazy high basketball IQ. John Stockton had a team player mentality and grew up in the era where coaches really did run almost every play of the game directly. Apples to oranges.
@@yurinoworrythat's why Sloans philosophy worked and Williams lost all defense and his assist to turnover ratio plummeted even though he was playing with better talent than in Utah?
@@grammysworld5449 bro he got injured which impacted his style of play and as he got older he took a mostly offensive role because that’s what he was most skilled at, didn’t “lose defense”, and I don’t have anything but positive things to say about Sloan, either, at least in this situation, so I don’t know why you’re so bothered by my statement. I’m not even a big fan of D-Will but I do believe he deserves respect.
@@yurinoworry his chucking style killed him long before the injuries.. Guess his first year in a half in New Jersey never happened.. Nobody is pressed, you're just wrong.. Sloan was right and it took Williams losing his career to realize that.. Not my fault you didn't follow the teams mentioned.. Everything I said is exactly how it happened
to a certain extent while this is true, i'm sure there were a lot of things that just boiled up and finally things couldn't get contained anymore. the video hints that Sloan was having some frustrations with management too...but yeah D-Will definitely deserves a lot of the blame I have to give D-Will credit for owning up to all of this and apologizing to Sloan for the way it went down.
The street goes both ways, Williams was supremely immature on the team and Sloan was a hardass no-nonsense old man who was so stubborn and stuck in his ways he made HIMSELF retire because he was too stubborn to change his ways.
RIP Coach Sloan such a professional I always admired his coaching style… Never a Jazz fan but a fan of the game n I always appreciated n respected his teams n coaching style. I ALWAYS resented Darren for making Coach Sloan quit ALWAYS…. I’m glad they shared a moment together before Coach Sloan’s passing… Sad story they could’ve really built something special….
At first I admired how Williams changed his game for Sloan and succeeded. Then as soon as he left, he lost all the fundamentals and became a chucker although he played with better talent than in Utah.. Sloan carried him if we're being honest
@@MrAP217Sloan not accepting the apology is one of the best things I've heard in a while.. Everyone know Avery was on borrowed time if crybaby could get a top 5 coach fired
I remember when this happened when I was young and it led me to totally drop basketball. I never got back into it until the 2020 season before the bubble
Unpopular Opinion: Jerry Sloan is a great coach who didn’t adapt well to the 21st Century Attitude (And that expressive attitude ain’t just in the NBA, but in the NFL with WR’s, and MLB in some areas) Gotta be able to let your players show their flash, hardnosed style leadership won’t command respect in the modern age anywhere really.
Except it absolutely did with the spurs. But yea, go ahead and side with the Kyries and LeBrons of the world who don't respect coaching and are underachieving chumps.
@@boxbarry8061 wrong you don’t think Pop and Belichick have adjusted somewhat to accommodate today’s players? You can have certain standards but Sloan’s rigidness went too far and wasn’t sustainable for the modern NBA
@@chrisschuler8559 I mean he isn’t exact representation but he did hold some traits of it. Headstrong, high expecting of both himself and others with a bit of flash. There are athletes who have taken it further like Kyrie, and he isn’t anywhere near. Sloan couldn’t even handle that. That’s all that needs to be said
I grew up in SLC, and on any given night those Jazz teams could beat the best teams of the era. I got to see an amazing duel between Willians and Paul to top it off too. It’s a shame what happened.
Excellent video on the topic of Sloan VS D-Will! So as lifelong Lakers fan who was born and raised in Utah I got to see this situation unfols. The Jazz had high hopes on the new duo of Boozer-Williams to be the new Stockton-Malone and the former being a duo of immense talent yet lacked the drive and professionalism of the later duo.
Nice piece explaining this infamous player-coach blowup. I grew up an Illini fan and was excited to see how DWill and his teammates from that historic Illini team that reached the ncaa finals would fair in the NBA. After DWill developed into a perennial NBA allstar and Olympian, I was shocked by the sudden retirement by coach Sloan and trade of Williams. I didnt have the impression of DWill as a ‘coach killer’, but I didn’t have all the intel. His career was on par with Chris Paul, who will be a 1st ballot HoFer. It’s sad to see how it pretty abruptly ended.
In the beginning, every time DWill and CP3 went head-to-head, DWill looked like the better PG. After the Sloan incident, DWill turned into a nothing while Chris Paul become arguably the best PG in the league. Makes me wonder what could have happened had the Jazz gone with Chris Paul instead.
sloan was obviously a great coach but this beef seems to be all his fault. why barely play your 3rd pick? why get mad when your floor general point guard flips the offense? that’s the whole point of a guy like deron.
At one point I actually believed Deron Williams was a top 2 or 3 point guard in the NBA when he was with the Jazz…what happened after he went to the Nets? Was he just a product of the system or did too many injuries get to him?
Don't need to hear Sloan side of the story he was a old outdated disciplinarian coach trying to coach a new generation of basketball players like Jerry Sloan ain't even let his players use their cell phones on the bus like why would any young player want to play for a coach like that. Like Jerry Sloan should've got out of the NBA want Stockton and Malone left because in the late 90s and early 2000s it was a new crop of NBA players coming into the league that wasn't with that disciplinarian BS.
@@pp3k3jamail So it's okay for modern day NBA players to not listen to their coach? That's not how it goes. What the coach says goes. PERIOD! Deron Williams was completely in the wrong to do it.
I think even with the talk, this will haunt Deron for the rest of his life. He honestly could've been a great PG, arguably one of the best ever, but his attitude and arrogance destroyed it all for him. For Deron, it'll always be a case of "what could've been" had this not happened, and it's something that will haunt him.
@@shibasurfing that's a lie. If the coach wanted to be good he would've listened to his team. Instead of being a brat and quitting because the point guard is smart in the 2000s and doesn't need their hand held like Jon.
"attitude and arrogance" 😂😂 If Sloanes attitude and arrogance wasn't in the way, jazz might've actually won something instead of being known as an all time failure group. Ahhh, wyte pypo favorite two words to describe, what they call, a ni-
It haunts Sloane so much, the dude died early. Oh so early. Maybe it was the stubbornness and hatred he maintained towards darker skin folks who talk to loud
I feel like the narrative arc of this video was to mostly side with Sloan, but from what I heard I'm closer to 50/50. Deron Williams wasn't Dennis Rodman or some primadonna. He wanted a little bit of slack running the offense as a young player and Sloan was inflexible to the nth degree. That isn't someone who is a cancer or uncoachable. Williams, at no point, came across as someone averse to accountability. Sloan just sounded like an old, agitated person that hated the world after losing Stockton and Malone and just wanted to be done with it all...using Williams, who was only like a 3/10 on the headache scale, as an excuse to walk away. I mean, using a horrible human being like Karl Malone as Sloan's character witness is also not helping. I think a normal coach could have showed some flexibility with Williams, but Sloan was too old and run down for the job. I mean, if you run down the Williams' offenses in this video....he what - 1)was mad about sitting on the bench as a 3 pick behind lesser players, but not mad mad. He didn't have an episode.(2) Made some critical remarks about practice schedules. (3) Held a casual player's only meeting to talk out some issues which infuriated Sloan. (4) He ran a play to the wrong side of the court that worked and was slightly standoffish about it in the locker room. It doesn't seem that huge to me.
Jerry Sloan is the coach you begin with in every 2K MyCareer. You think, "just because this is your game you purchased & a story about a character YOU created, that you are gonna get playing time AS A ROOKIE!? Think again, my friend. And prepare to only come in with 5 seconds to go in the 2nd QTR.... for 20 games."
@@GarkKahn Little hard to get better when you're only in for 10 seconds at the end of the 2nd qtr & then the game ends after half time. But obviously you shouldn't be the starter over Curry or Durant, LeBron, Jokic, etc, just out the gate. I'm just saying that a top 10 pick might get more playing time than that on bad teams.
Broke my heart when deron Williams got traded i wanted to see how far we could go with him and new coach. Deron Williams is my last favorite jazz player but I'm still a jazz fan. He was single handedly killing the Lakers in those WCF
This story is a lesson that when an older established person is telling you how things are done you have to listen for better or worse. Once you know the ins and outs then you can switch things up.
This is a good video. As a Jazz fan, this is talked about a lot amongst fans. All Jazz fans sided with Jerry Sloan and still do. But I think we don’t quite dislike D-Will as much. For me, I like the guy now. He seems to have matured a lot.
I enjoyed watching Sloan’s hard drinking look on the sideline with utah. I was never a fan of that worthless franchise, but I admired how he got the best out of that pathetic roster year in and year out. I wish cp3 played for Sloan. Willians was a flash in the pan player. He was solid, but he had no heart.
I was at Sloan's last game against the Bulls (Bulls fan). D Rose ran Williams off the court. I loved that the Bulls won but was very sad Sloan retired the next day.
After 23 years, sounded like Sloan was looking for a reason to retire. It happens to people in every profession. You look for something to convince yourself that it's time to go in order to avoid the emotional baggage. Sparring with Williams was that out. It might've been good for him to be away from the stress while his health slowly deteriorated. Still, Williams played 12 seasons, got paid and ended his career at 16/8/3.
I remember asking Derron about this when he came back to The Conly close to Lewisville tx I hoop against him in Bryce wright! Can't say what he said but it was along these lines..😂
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Hearing about Sloan’s coaching style and and recent stuff about Chris Paul putting his team on a curfew during the New Orleans series makes me think that they would’ve loved playing together
CP, in his own words, was in the streets during his NOLA tenure. Meaning he would party after every game basically.
Current CP and Sloan might vibe (CP wouldn’t deal well with being kept on a tight leash play-calling wise), but I’m not sure young CP would
That story wasn’t true.
Rondo in Dallas
Internet made up story Is something crazy. That stuff about Cp3 is not true.
@@melvinwright4184 And for how CP3 got along with Harden? Now the party stuff is minor, Karl Malone for instance did… stuff, and still got along with Sloan, but I think CP3 would want his way with the offense.
It wouldn’t of worked with him either. Like I said, great coach, wrong century for Sloan.
Respect to Deron Williams for owning up to how he was. Every interview I have seen of him recently you never hear him blame anyone but himself for his time in Utah or how his career played out. That is true growth as a person. I think he'd be a great consultant for young talent to speak to before they enter the league
Yeah I don’t care what your reasons are. A great coach, yes someone who is a bit hardcore leaves because of you, you have to take a little blame.
@@ARmirzafulgreat coach? Gtfoh
I dont think I've ever seen a player fall off as fast as Deron Williams. The guy went from being arguably the best PG in the league to a total scrub when he left Utah. He had like one good year with the NJ Nets before they relocated to Brooklyn, and then he fell off the map.
James Harden is coming for that title
i remember kg and pierce saying they were shocked by how little effort he put in in brooklyn
Steve Francis?
Iso joe is better than him in brooklyn. Like in 2008-10 he and cp3 are the best guards in the league
Jeremy Linn
“You’ve got the power, you’ve got the juice” is an absolutely hilarious thing to say to a guy that old lmao
"What the hell is even that?"
@@danbrown1344 it's self explanatory
I was thinking that too 😆
@@interceptingfist5682 It's a meme. That's why I put it in quotes. Ironically, that was pretty self-explanatory.
I was just about to comment about that part but decided to scroll through first lol... That line caused that old white man to quit his job knowing he was totally out of touch with the youth of that day
Can't believe he was in the same draft class as CP3.
Him and Hayward were never the same once they left Utah.
Hayward got the bag from Boston and in the first game he played with them broke his foot and then that’s where the decline came mostly
@@jishisafish *Leg
Mormon life does it to you once you leave never the same
Yeah, those two were compared to the same way Trae Young and Luka are compared to these days. "What ifs". Deron's star rose faster, but faded faster. CP has had a far better, more stabler career.
@@jishisafish Not only that, it was a pre season game I think.
Both parts shared the blame in this mess. D-Will for being so immature and belligerent towards his coach and Sloan for being so stubborn and set in his ways. It's one thing to maintain a level of authority and sense of tradition, but there also has to be an evolution of the culture and style of play more on par with the times. Look at how successful Gregg Poppovich has been with the Spurs and how he's nurtured an incredible amount of talent AND coaches in the NBA, while adapting his stance throughout the years.
Hit the nail on the head there brother
Lol the main complaint with Pop is he drove Kawhi away and none of the young guys (with the exception of Murray) have bought into his hard-nosed style of discipline. Absolutely no different thy Slone.
True True
@@LeeGHThomas yeah Kawhi, the same guy that has people handle his business and making demands, while he "load manages". History will show he accomplished more under Pop than elsewhere.
@@LeeGHThomas Pop didn't drive Kawhi away. Even when people discuss who drove Kawhi away (no-one did, he specifically wanted to leave and live in LA), it's Tony Parker who gets the blame for his comment about Kawhi's injury not being that serious. This idea that Pop was at fault is just you making something up.
I remember being in middle school when the news broke out about Sloan retiring. As a die hard Jazz fan as a kid, watching this all crumble away was heartbreaking, especially since D-Will was my favorite player. I'm glad they got at least a moment to talk things over before Jerry passed. Just sad to think about what could have been if they had worked things out
Stop with the lies.
As a die hard rockets fan who had to suffer in the later 2000’s to yall, I hate you
Jerry passed to who?
@@pv2639 he meant jerry died
@@bho84 PV knows what passed meant, he trolling. Sad smdh
Clara Morris it’s always a pleasure when you narrate!
It’s a very sad story in my opinion…but I feel like this fails to capture how good Deron Williams was at his peak. He had an excellent stint. May have ended too soon but it was much longer than others.
Sorry, he wasn't that good. He's basically forgotten at this point.
@@Odinson42 man stop it. For the longest time the argument was who was the best pg in the league him or a prime cp3
A lot of people including Isaiah Thomas said he was a system player. Not sure if that's true.
It was literally because of Sloan 😂😂
@@ryansmith144 damn Sloan shot the shots for him? Dunked the ball for him? Dribbled it for him? WHAT a coach!!!
2:23 I remember that 2003-04 Jazz season!
No more Malone and Stockton. His best players were a young Andrei Kirilenko, Deshawn Stevenson, and Carlos Arroyo.
Preseason predictions had them losing like 60 games that year and he guided them to a 42-40 record just missing the playoffs by one game.
Great coaching
Doesn’t matter if you miss playoff by a game or 82 games, a loss is a loss
-Dom
To be fair Andrei Kirilenko peaked that year and became an All-star and All-defensive player
@@rezhaadriantanuharja3389 ok
Carlos Arroyo was worth trusting too, but Carlos has said on occasions that Jerry didn't trust Puertorican basketball for its lack of superstar talent. This came off as xenophobic according to Arroyo.
Always interesting peripherally to me that Jerry Sloan was from Illinois, Deron Williams played at U of I, and their breaking point came during a Bulls game, the team where Sloan became a star.
And ended his career again, on and on
Taking MJ to 6 games in a finals is not an thing to knock.
Twice!
Yea they should definitely hang those baners "we lost to the bulls in 6" in the rafters, ffs
Brandy: "Almost Never counts..." Good Jazz teams tho
@@tehemister042 😭💀Good one
@@rodneys.i.n8719 😂 nah deadass lol
SECRET BASE back with another banger 🔥🔥 f'n love this channel 💯💯
Thank God, there was a Jerry Sloan
Wish there were more of em
RIP Legend
We need a rewinder of the final seconds of the Nuggets vs. Jazz series in da bubble a few years ago. Dat was a classic series.
As a Utah resident my whole life, this broke my heart when deron wanted to leave. He was one of the only bright spots on those teams, and led some surprising playoff runs. He was never the same after he left Salt Lake City
Same with Gordon Hayward
Facts for both players
Lol Gordon Hayward broke his leg though!
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 I know! Karma
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 if he didn’t break his leg, he might have been able to save Kyrie legacy in Boston. Poor guy
I miss this team when I was young. D-Will, Boozer, AK, Mehmet, Young Paul Millsap... I remember, they are pretty good team, but always losing to the Lakers and Spurs.
good times man
As a mavs fan I can relate 😭🤦🏾♂️
Ahh I remember that team. I was never a fan of Utah. But Utah would always knock out my Warriors. This was pre Curry days. This was the We Believe Warriors team. But we couldn't get past Utah. AK has the sweetest nick name too! AK-47 LOL!
@@vincentgelvez Haha yeah. I thought AK was their star player before the arrival of DWill and Boozer. AK was relegated to be their defensive specialist, similar to the role of Green now to the Warriors. AK is a stat stuffer like Green before
@@vincentgelvez i remember that team, with baron davis and matt barnes
Beef History x Clara Morris
It's a winning combination
Everytime.
Seth is absolutely the best.
Clara doesn’t even come close.
Right? Can't believe people were hating on her when she first started doing videos.
She's great. Clara Morris is my fav
@@torachan23 I like Seth too. No need to hate on Clara
@@mongoslade277 same honestly
As a lifelong jazz fan seeing this episode of beef hurt my soul and took me back to a place I didn't want to look at again.. Even now I still think back to what could have been....
EASTER CONFERENCE FINALS!!!!!!
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I remembered growing up and passionately hating the jazz but I've always respected that team! And I remembered being so pissed off by the way coach Sloan retired and I knew it was because of Darion Williams! You could tell that any person coaching a team over 20 plus years that he was a hell of a person to be around! ALWAYS BLESS JERRY SLOANS SOUL
Great Documentary. Williams was even booed the few games as a Jazz player until the trade was final. The loyal Jazz fans booed their own player. I knew he was going to be traded. But the acknowledgement of Deron to know he was difficult to deal with and his apology is truly amazing in this day and age.
Thank GOD!
A beef so dark, only death squashed it
I was at the last game that Sloan coached. He was visibly livid at the end of the game, I've never seen anyone that mad about anything in my life.
To add insult to injury, his last game was against the Bulls, the team that Jerry played for, and former Jazz star Carlos Boozer was playing for Chicago that year (not to mention the team that Jerry Sloan lost to in the finals twice).
Excellent context
Yes, in a strange way everything came home.
I felt guilty cheering for Boozer because I couldn't stand what he did in Cleveland weaseling his way out a contract.
Gets crazier when you realize Jerry Sloan had a hall of fame playing career.... with the Chicago Bulls.
I saw the title and thumbnail. Immediately remembered these two. Watched to jog my memory again. Man that was a sad end
I'm born and raised in Utah and I was so excited to have Deron Williams ! I mean in just his 2nd year in 2007 he totally balled out in the playoffs and led them to the WCF ! They lost to the spurs who went on to win the title that year but Williams played great that series the future looked so bright ! Then over the next 3 seasons him and CP3 were the top 2 PGs in the league and a lot times I thought Deron was better than Paul cause he was bigger and stronger , then all of sudden Sloan retires and Williams get traded ! Just like that it was over then he fell off a cliff with the Nets , sad story 😞
He got injured
Such a shame how badly Deron Williams fell off in such a short time. I remember when people thought he was better than CP3 and I absolutely HATED when he played against my Lakers in the playoffs... His pull up game back then was incredible.
Both was strong nosed
My fellow Terp back with more greatness! Always wondered about the course of events that led to Deron Williams giving the league the premature
middle finger
Jerry Sloan was a pain in the side of us Laker Fans..... since Showtime even
Still, I always thought it was sad how Deron drove him out of Utah, his home. Or made him want to quit, whichever
Salute to D-Will! He realized he made some mistakes and sounds like he faced up to them and apologized to his coach. In my opinion, the worst move was leaving/ requesting a trade from the Jazz but again he had a good career, made a lot of money, and made a name for himself. Good for him.
As a Nets fan it's painful to be reminded how good he was.... for the Jazz.
One of my favorite channels. Never lets me down. Secret Base is better than most television. Salute.
It's not one of your favorites.
@@jonhohensee3258 Tf 😂 Being constantly contrarian must be difficult
@@PK-ts8iz It's easy!
@@PK-ts8iz is he bored?
@@jonhohensee3258ok… idk how a stranger would know but ok.
Saturday morning SB videos are starting to be a tradition at this point
Deron Williams was soooooooo good. I hate how injuries limited his career.
Laziness and his love of food limited his career. Dude put on weight every year in the league
Yes I remember his last years with the nets he was out of shape
And also....."sometimes people get what they deserve.".....
And Jerry Sloan. You should check out this Fabolous video you commented under 😂
@@joshlewis575 nah just the lazy narcissist white man Jerry Sloan
It was a loss loss for both parties, but time and maturity helped D Will open his eyes. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Honestly, Clara's are the best. I love this series!
Damn....I didn't even know Sloan passed away... awww mannn 🥺. I really liked him as a coach. So sad to hear. Growing up in Chicago I was an Illini fan enjoyed Williams gameplay. Never knew he was difficult to coach. REST IN PEACE JERRY!
As a 22 year old......
This one beef always made me 😥
They act like D-Will just got bad. He had hella injuries by the time he got traded. The offense was antiquated and would repeatedly get shut down by actual contenders and teams that have equal or more talent. As far as their interactions, both sides were immature and petty. At the end, DWill was at least the bigger man at the end. So that’s something.
Imo opinion Sloan had been coaching so long, that I think he was looking for a reason to quit.
Hella injuries? Talk like a human
agree with this almost 100%. both were immature, stubborn, and petty. the guy was like 40yrs older than williams but was so stuck in his ways that he couldn't be the bigger person. blowing up bc a play was called on the other side of the court? obviously that was just the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back, but being that stubborn when doing things 100% your way literally never led to a championship is nuts
@@TheRulersBack18 yeah but by that point, Deron was already trying to take the team over. Anyone would be pissed off if they were Sloan in that moment
That's a great beef video, Clara... Please do a video of beef between Dwight Howard and Stan Van Gundy. That beef is still sizzling. LOL
This video is huge historical revisionism. Go listen to David Locke's radio interview with Sloan 5 minutes after Sloan officially announced his retirement. Sloan told a completely different story than this video. Sloan didn't think this fight was a big one, he's had far worse and didn't mind. (Greg Ostertag once threw a bag of ice at Sloan's head when his back was turned. Sloan was happy to still bring Ostertag back his final season.) What happened was Sloan said he felt himself getting old in the month or two prior. He didn't have the energy to fight. He wasn't doing film like he used to or standing up to players like he should. When the DWill dustup happened, Sloan realized his time arrived, he had to quit because of his declining health. He just got old.
Or, and hear me out, it’s a mix of both, bc it very much clearly is. Simply believing Sloan’s words at face value is not the move.
A hardy A AND B!
@@Slame333 yeah i think in the end, the real truth is somewhere in between the two. At least the two guys were able to patch things up by the end. Deron is right...letting grudges go without a reconciliation can take a toll on anyone
I believe he was recently then diagnosed with Parkinson. Plus his wife passed away recently. Frankly him being just exhausted was accurate. He just couldn't do it anymore. Father Time waits for all men because eventually he will have his due. Except if you are Lebron apparently.
this was sobering and sad. thanks for this.
Excellent Beef History video by Secret Base, as always. And by the way, it’s great to hear Clara Morris again! That’s awesome. Before I forget, however, I’d like to make a Beef History video suggestion: Michael Jordan vs. Jerry Krause, the GM of the Bulls during M.J.’s years in Chicago.
I think that would make for a great episode, as Jordan’s hatred of Krause has been well documented over the years. I know you can do it, Secret Base!
It felt like D Will got traded from Utah, that was the end of his career. Dude was right there battling with CP3 for best point guard in the league
Damn! If only they got along like Stockton we could’ve seen something amazing
Maybe they would've kissed!
D-Will has the Alpha Dog gene and so did Sloan, albeit as a coach. D-Will also had crazy high basketball IQ. John Stockton had a team player mentality and grew up in the era where coaches really did run almost every play of the game directly. Apples to oranges.
@@yurinoworrythat's why Sloans philosophy worked and Williams lost all defense and his assist to turnover ratio plummeted even though he was playing with better talent than in Utah?
@@grammysworld5449 bro he got injured which impacted his style of play and as he got older he took a mostly offensive role because that’s what he was most skilled at, didn’t “lose defense”, and I don’t have anything but positive things to say about Sloan, either, at least in this situation, so I don’t know why you’re so bothered by my statement.
I’m not even a big fan of D-Will but I do believe he deserves respect.
@@yurinoworry his chucking style killed him long before the injuries.. Guess his first year in a half in New Jersey never happened.. Nobody is pressed, you're just wrong.. Sloan was right and it took Williams losing his career to realize that.. Not my fault you didn't follow the teams mentioned.. Everything I said is exactly how it happened
RIP Jerry Sloan. You were kind of a boomer but more importantly one hell of a basketball player and coach.
Ironic timing of this release for us jazz fans huh lol
finally they do something that’s not common knowledge or didn’t happen like two years ago. this is what should be rewinded
Can you imagine how difficult of a person you'd have to be to make a coach quit?
to a certain extent while this is true, i'm sure there were a lot of things that just boiled up and finally things couldn't get contained anymore. the video hints that Sloan was having some frustrations with management too...but yeah D-Will definitely deserves a lot of the blame
I have to give D-Will credit for owning up to all of this and apologizing to Sloan for the way it went down.
man for a coach that coached for 25 years your d expect they would get rid of deron first
@@skippythealien9627 why give him credit now after 15 years
@@33bigmoney some people never own up to the shitty things they've done
The street goes both ways, Williams was supremely immature on the team and Sloan was a hardass no-nonsense old man who was so stubborn and stuck in his ways he made HIMSELF retire because he was too stubborn to change his ways.
RIP Coach Sloan such a professional I always admired his coaching style…
Never a Jazz fan but a fan of the game n I always appreciated n respected his teams n coaching style.
I ALWAYS resented Darren for making Coach Sloan quit ALWAYS….
I’m glad they shared a moment together before Coach Sloan’s passing…
Sad story they could’ve really built something special….
Don't forget he got Avery Johnson fired in Brooklyn
@@MrAP217 SMH…
At first I admired how Williams changed his game for Sloan and succeeded. Then as soon as he left, he lost all the fundamentals and became a chucker although he played with better talent than in Utah.. Sloan carried him if we're being honest
@@MrAP217Sloan not accepting the apology is one of the best things I've heard in a while.. Everyone know Avery was on borrowed time if crybaby could get a top 5 coach fired
We got new beef history
Just got the yard work done
It's a vibe 💫☀️👑
Also yay it's Clara ❤️😃❤️
I remember when this happened when I was young and it led me to totally drop basketball. I never got back into it until the 2020 season before the bubble
Unpopular Opinion: Jerry Sloan is a great coach who didn’t adapt well to the 21st Century Attitude (And that expressive attitude ain’t just in the NBA, but in the NFL with WR’s, and MLB in some areas)
Gotta be able to let your players show their flash, hardnosed style leadership won’t command respect in the modern age anywhere really.
Except it absolutely did with the spurs. But yea, go ahead and side with the Kyries and LeBrons of the world who don't respect coaching and are underachieving chumps.
@@boxbarry8061 wrong you don’t think Pop and Belichick have adjusted somewhat to accommodate today’s players? You can have certain standards but Sloan’s rigidness went too far and wasn’t sustainable for the modern NBA
It is a silly and insulting opinion if you think D-Will represents the "21st Century Attitude" of professional athletes.
@@chrisschuler8559 I mean he isn’t exact representation but he did hold some traits of it.
Headstrong, high expecting of both himself and others with a bit of flash. There are athletes who have taken it further like Kyrie, and he isn’t anywhere near.
Sloan couldn’t even handle that. That’s all that needs to be said
@@boxbarry8061 "Except it absolutely did with the Spurs." Duncan made that work. Kawhi didn't like it left, Spurs have been losers ever since.
As a young Jazz fan that two weeks were the worst. Thanks for the Jazz content!
I grew up in SLC, and on any given night those Jazz teams could beat the best teams of the era. I got to see an amazing duel between Willians and Paul to top it off too. It’s a shame what happened.
I've been waiting for this one for so long! Thank you
Jerry Sloan also has his jersey retired in Chicago. Long before Mike and Scottie.
Excellent video on the topic of Sloan VS D-Will! So as lifelong Lakers fan who was born and raised in Utah I got to see this situation unfols. The Jazz had high hopes on the new duo of Boozer-Williams to be the new Stockton-Malone and the former being a duo of immense talent yet lacked the drive and professionalism of the later duo.
Those Jazz teams were so fun. AK47, Williams, Korver, Millsaps, Boozer, Bell, and other fun roleplayers.
So glad that both of them reconciled towards the end of each other's careers
Deronn Williams was out of shape and Carlos boozer couldn’t play inside very well. End of story for that team.
Nice piece explaining this infamous player-coach blowup. I grew up an Illini fan and was excited to see how DWill and his teammates from that historic Illini team that reached the ncaa finals would fair in the NBA. After DWill developed into a perennial NBA allstar and Olympian, I was shocked by the sudden retirement by coach Sloan and trade of Williams. I didnt have the impression of DWill as a ‘coach killer’, but I didn’t have all the intel. His career was on par with Chris Paul, who will be a 1st ballot HoFer. It’s sad to see how it pretty abruptly ended.
Coach shouldn't have had to deal with this nonsense, that was an organization fail 🤦♂️
This is such a compelling story, it should be a movie.
In the beginning, every time DWill and CP3 went head-to-head, DWill looked like the better PG. After the Sloan incident, DWill turned into a nothing while Chris Paul become arguably the best PG in the league. Makes me wonder what could have happened had the Jazz gone with Chris Paul instead.
Paul was never the best PG in the league. He’s a career playoff flop
Such a well done piece. Thank you!
sloan was obviously a great coach but this beef seems to be all his fault. why barely play your 3rd pick? why get mad when your floor general point guard flips the offense? that’s the whole point of a guy like deron.
I’m not even a Jazz fan and I loved this one. I enjoyed how introspective it was of the two parties
At one point I actually believed Deron Williams was a top 2 or 3 point guard in the NBA when he was with the Jazz…what happened after he went to the Nets? Was he just a product of the system or did too many injuries get to him?
Injuries and being out of shape. He would have succeeded on any offense because how proficient he was at pnr.
Many including Isaiah Thomas said he was a system player. Not sure if that's true.
I think injuries
That U of I team Williams was on with Dee Brown and Luther Head was a blast to watch.
It's too bad Jerry Sloan is no longer with us. There are always two sides of the story, which is why I'm curious what Jerry would have to say.
Yeah I would like to hear Solan to own up to his part in this. Sad they never got really clear the air as older men
Don't need to hear Sloan side of the story he was a old outdated disciplinarian coach trying to coach a new generation of basketball players like Jerry Sloan ain't even let his players use their cell phones on the bus like why would any young player want to play for a coach like that.
Like Jerry Sloan should've got out of the NBA want Stockton and Malone left because in the late 90s and early 2000s it was a new crop of NBA players coming into the league that wasn't with that disciplinarian BS.
@@pp3k3jamail So it's okay for modern day NBA players to not listen to their coach? That's not how it goes. What the coach says goes. PERIOD! Deron Williams was completely in the wrong to do it.
**Count Dooku voice** I’ve been looking forward to this
I think even with the talk, this will haunt Deron for the rest of his life. He honestly could've been a great PG, arguably one of the best ever, but his attitude and arrogance destroyed it all for him. For Deron, it'll always be a case of "what could've been" had this not happened, and it's something that will haunt him.
The talk sounds like a cheap attempt by him? If he wanted to be good he would have listened to his coach. Pure and simple.
Destroyed it all? Didn't know he retired in UTAH lol
@@shibasurfing that's a lie. If the coach wanted to be good he would've listened to his team. Instead of being a brat and quitting because the point guard is smart in the 2000s and doesn't need their hand held like Jon.
"attitude and arrogance"
😂😂 If Sloanes attitude and arrogance wasn't in the way, jazz might've actually won something instead of being known as an all time failure group.
Ahhh, wyte pypo favorite two words to describe, what they call, a ni-
It haunts Sloane so much, the dude died early. Oh so early. Maybe it was the stubbornness and hatred he maintained towards darker skin folks who talk to loud
I love all the Beef History videos. Every sport!
I feel like the narrative arc of this video was to mostly side with Sloan, but from what I heard I'm closer to 50/50. Deron Williams wasn't Dennis Rodman or some primadonna. He wanted a little bit of slack running the offense as a young player and Sloan was inflexible to the nth degree. That isn't someone who is a cancer or uncoachable. Williams, at no point, came across as someone averse to accountability. Sloan just sounded like an old, agitated person that hated the world after losing Stockton and Malone and just wanted to be done with it all...using Williams, who was only like a 3/10 on the headache scale, as an excuse to walk away. I mean, using a horrible human being like Karl Malone as Sloan's character witness is also not helping. I think a normal coach could have showed some flexibility with Williams, but Sloan was too old and run down for the job. I mean, if you run down the Williams' offenses in this video....he what - 1)was mad about sitting on the bench as a 3 pick behind lesser players, but not mad mad. He didn't have an episode.(2) Made some critical remarks about practice schedules. (3) Held a casual player's only meeting to talk out some issues which infuriated Sloan. (4) He ran a play to the wrong side of the court that worked and was slightly standoffish about it in the locker room. It doesn't seem that huge to me.
He did that same bulljive in Brooklyn and got Avery Johnson fired. What's the excuse for that?
As a jazz fan I’m glad I decided to use TH-cam right now, when I just found this
Still hoping for that Rewinder of Michael Thomas's league-winning goal for Arsenal at Liverpool in 1989
Yh man a few more football rewinds would be nice
That is a great story
"Thomas! It's up for grabs noooow!"
I thought he played for the Saints🤓
Basketball & MMA only sports worth talking about. Other sports not as entertaining.
I've been waiting for this! Thank you
Jerry Sloan is the coach you begin with in every 2K MyCareer.
You think, "just because this is your game you purchased & a story about a character YOU created, that you are gonna get playing time AS A ROOKIE!? Think again, my friend. And prepare to only come in with 5 seconds to go in the 2nd QTR.... for 20 games."
Well it's more realistic than being a starter after 6-7 games in a contender team like the earlier versions
@@GarkKahn
Little hard to get better when you're only in for 10 seconds at the end of the 2nd qtr & then the game ends after half time. But obviously you shouldn't be the starter over Curry or Durant, LeBron, Jokic, etc, just out the gate.
I'm just saying that a top 10 pick might get more playing time than that on bad teams.
Broke my heart when deron Williams got traded i wanted to see how far we could go with him and new coach. Deron Williams is my last favorite jazz player but I'm still a jazz fan. He was single handedly killing the Lakers in those WCF
*Remember when it was Williams or Paul?* Aged like wine
dude I was JUST looking up deron Williams highlights LAST WEEK
A very sad moment in nba history
Props to Deron for being able to self reflect and admit his wrong-doings. Not a lot of people can honestly do that.
Props?
This story is a lesson that when an older established person is telling you how things are done you have to listen for better or worse. Once you know the ins and outs then you can switch things up.
This is a good video. As a Jazz fan, this is talked about a lot amongst fans. All Jazz fans sided with Jerry Sloan and still do. But I think we don’t quite dislike D-Will as much. For me, I like the guy now. He seems to have matured a lot.
Who's cutting onions tho?😢😢😢
Idk what you did to your voice but you sound SOOO much better 😌 nice work! 😁
I enjoyed watching Sloan’s hard drinking look on the sideline with utah. I was never a fan of that worthless franchise, but I admired how he got the best out of that pathetic roster year in and year out. I wish cp3 played for Sloan. Willians was a flash in the pan player. He was solid, but he had no heart.
Very well done video 👍🏼
Need that KD vs Russ beef
I was at Sloan's last game against the Bulls (Bulls fan). D Rose ran Williams off the court. I loved that the Bulls won but was very sad Sloan retired the next day.
After 23 years, sounded like Sloan was looking for a reason to retire. It happens to people in every profession. You look for something to convince yourself that it's time to go in order to avoid the emotional baggage. Sparring with Williams was that out. It might've been good for him to be away from the stress while his health slowly deteriorated. Still, Williams played 12 seasons, got paid and ended his career at 16/8/3.
As a life long Jazz fan I always think about what could have been. Guess we'll never know.
personally i will always remember d-will as the hothead that made a legendary coach quit
way to drag others down while ruining your own career
Touching episode. Clara's the best.
Crazy how he only made one all star team after getting traded from Utah
Deron Williams is a GOAT from ILLINOIS. He has an ILLINOIS State of Mind. Get UP OR GET OUT OF THE WAY! ILLINI
I was so happy to see Sloan and the Jazz collapse. Made my soul sing LoL
😂
Good vid, sad how all that ended, but I remember..........was really shocked when Jerry Sloan resigned
I remember asking Derron about this when he came back to The Conly close to Lewisville tx I hoop against him in Bryce wright! Can't say what he said but it was along these lines..😂