Sukuna vs Ultimate Kars Is A Massacre...
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I forgot to put this in the video but a Kars who can gain curse Energy vs a sukuna that’s highballed would be a pretty even match I would say.
EDIT: ALSO KARS HAS A 400 IQ HE BIG BRAIN
🧠💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Have you forgotten that if Sukuna can attack the soul, isn't it possible for him to kill Kars even if he ate the fingers?
To make this more specific, the main reason why Yuuji was able to contain Sukuna wasn't his body, but his soul. Or to be more precise, the ability to tell the difference between his own soul and Sukuna's. Vessels that are able to contain his power only occur once every thousand years or so, so Kars would definitely be able to do that. However, it actually boils down not to if Kars can withstand that power, because he certainly can, but if he can stop Sukuna's soul from taking over his body. And I doubt that Kars could stop that.
If Kars was to eat Sukuna, that would be the end of all life in the universe because Kars would obviously not know how to do this unless he knows Yuuji.
Can you do a video about part 3 jotaro vs the Pain arc in naruto please?, i think it would be fun.
@METAsMETAs what about Toji & Maki vs Kars wouldn’t they be like the ultimate hunters in out in JoJo
Well, all Im going to say is 7:35 This move is used, and Kars dies. Yes Im dead-serious. A flame that burns hotter than a dude who's whole purpose was to be a volcano curse [Jo-Goat] and apparently you just ignored it in the entire thought-process of how this fight would go. No offense but this is what exactly the points against Kars:
-Sukuna counters animals with Cleave and Dismantle (probably not even needed)
-Sukuna is highly faster, Kars barely was as fast as a plane (In the anime atleast.)
-Sukuna's Fire Arrow kills Kars.
-Kars may land a hit, but then again RCT just negates that and its just sad for Kars.
-Domain Expansion: Malevolent Kitchen.
-"Nah, I'd win."
-Even if Kars DOESN'T die from Fire Arrow, (somehow) Sukuna can EASIELY throw this dude to outer space. If he knows it or not, his going to eventually do so. Sukuna LOVES testing people.
Also, if you're here to tell me "same realm so Kars gets [blah blah]" and etc bullshit like: "What if Kars had CT", no LMFAO.
If you have to even add stuff on top for it to be even remotely be a fair fight, that is fucking hilarious. Yeah no, thats just PRAYING for Kars to win. Even IF you add that on top, he still dies to Fire Arrow.
Sukuna with 15F solos Kars (non-ult form and ult form) with barely any issue.
Unless you mean Novel Kars, thats just fucked up.
Sukuna: *gets all 20 fingers back and Mahoraga*
Kars: "Yoink"
The original Cosmic Garou
Kars: **just copies all of sukunas abilities and enhances them**
@@minichad5456that’s novel kars
@jerryoverheaven4484 well, anime Kars also learned hamon at the first glance why not curse technices?
@@jernmp
Kars can copy the power of all living things. Ofc Kars can copy curses.
Kars: You lived in an age without me in it and were hailed as the strongest, but in the end you turned out to be painfully average.
Sukuna: *dies of embarrassment*
To me, being called painfully average hurts more than anything else
Yall really not watching jjk huh?
@@maromaro7022 who?
@@maromaro7022Sukuna is not touching Ultimate Kars lmao. If the only reason a character loses is because the plot requires it, then they are overpowered.
@maromaro7022
You ain't cooking none with that sentence bro
I saw a comment recently that Kars would be able to survive Gojo's Unending Void technique because he can stop thinking and therefore ignore the information XD.
Hold on. He might be cooking.
the manga actually implies he chose to stop thinking so he might be cooking with that one, though my headcanon is that he'd just grow his head to accommodate for the extra information like dr. vegapunk lol
surviving by leaving yourself into a comma is not much of a win imo
@@tonyvolti4511 Learn to read child
I mean. He already has the knowledge of everything ever. So Unlimited Void wouldn't work.
It would be hilarious to see Kars adapt to Cursed Energy and then unlock his own Domain Expansion and Innate Curse Technique
Domain expansion: Malevolous lifeforms
As the ultimate lifeform, Ultimate kars. Fought sukuna, king of curses. He began to open his domain, sukuna shrunk back in fear then kars said
"Stand proud sukuna, you're strong"
Then proceed to do Domain expansion, Ultimate Horizon of the captivating chimera shadow garden self embodied of graveyard iron mountain malevolent void
@@Hy1stgege forgot to put hakari’s domain in the name so Kars now plays a gacha game in his domain
@@Hy1stnah, horizon of the captivating chimera shadow garden deadly sentencing malevolent infinite idle death gambling self embodiment of the iron mountain
Domain Expansion: Aztec God of Fitness
Kars using a Pistol Shrimp abilitys to make a literal fucking sun with over 5000 C° heat
Kars after filling sukuna’s veins with microscopic Lions:
@@Cream_VanillaIce10 trillion microscopic lions vs the sun who wins
@@vinh-the-second idk, is it the sun or arabia fats
Ok, but have you seen the latest chapters of jjk? Sukuna wins because of Kars' plot armour allergy.
@@Kokolitofora "I see, it appears you're my- What's that..." *ACHOO* , he proceeds to sneeze with enough force that he is launched out of the atmosphere and directly into the sun where he petrifies and will continue to stay in until the sun dies.
Basically, by lore, Kars stomps effortlessly. JJK puts a lot of effort into establishing the biological/hereditary foundations of jujutsu sorcery. Kars would awaken potentially every combination of cursed technique simultaneously.
Why would he need to awaken every curse technique? He has a higher likelihood of just observing the system then doing something busted like figuring out that the more restrictions put up on an effect the greater the effect then make 100 pairs of hands for hand signs and do something on that level. Also if the domain expansion isn't named 'Let the good times roll' you aren't naming it properly.
@@sluggaboyzWC3Kars popping 5 extra Domains by growing extra hands would be priceless to see
AWAKE?!?!?! AYAYAYAYAYA
as funny as this is, he wouldnt even need to get cursed energy, he could just walk straight through sukunas domain and bitch slap him out of existence
@@sluggaboyzWC3 screw that, he could just create an army of himself.
Y'know, it'd be really cool if you contacted someone like Casual Geographic, or Lindsay Nikole to ask them what are the craziest animals that Kars has the abilities of.
Gods yes
Nah, TierZoo know the meta like nobody else
Water bear
@@joaopedrobenicio8283 wait, actually that's an awesome idea as well!
Current thoughts for me are Pistol Shrimp, which can closer their claws fast enough to produce a sound at 218 decibels, which also produces a jet of water that reaches temps of 8000 degrees Fahrenheit, four times hotter than the lava Kars was submerged in. Since Kars was able to scale up the wings of a bird and have them function the same at his size, sizing up a Pistol Shrimp's claw doesn't seem that unreasonable.
Add in the square cube law and god almighty that would be devastating.
Since we know Hamon users can learn the ability to see the future just imagine if Kars learned how to use hamon better and see the future.
Bro Kars has ultimate hamon, if we're factoring that, sukuna has 0 chance, bro can probably see a day in the future
i don't think seeing the future would save him from malevolent shrine sukuna could make binding vows to add external barriers to the domain.
Hamon wouldn't be effective on sukuna either this mf survived infinite hollow purple while he was still surpressing his strength yeah kars stood no chances execpt for regeneration.
Saying hamon would do a thing againts sukuna is like saying sunlight energy is stronger than infinite virtual mass y'all jojo fans are dead ass💀
@@ratio8099 Kars hamon is basically as hot as the Sun… he would literally chop through Sukuna like butter… not to mention Kars doesn’t need RCT to heal himself so if he got a limb chopped off he would just regenerate it. Sakuna cant kill Kars unless he erases everything single one of his cells. The longer a fight goes the better Kars will get in battle. We only saw a fraction of what he could do in the show. Sukunas lightning or Fire arrow ain’t doing nothing to Kars since he could probably make himself fire proof. He could also just make his skin harder and more durable to deal with slashes.
@@andyyang9594 "as hot as sun"
*barely melts 15% of joseph's body* 🤡
Kars more than likely has a VERY good understanding of his soul considering he can create life itself from a single cell.
The yap session is crazy down there 😂
Thats a bit disingenuous
@@glogangglory more of a brainstorming thought. But you can't create life without a soul.
Not necessarily. Not all lifeforms have souls, and not all life creation requires soul manipulation unless shown or stated otherwise.
@@revenantronin8377hows that
@@gloganggloryI’d argue that he understand his soul very well as he is the ultimate life form.
I feel like a lot of people have been making vs battles with Sukuna going up against way stronger interverse characters just to bully him for what happened in ch 236, glad Kars is getting some love though
Seem like a lot of mad butthurt fans cause every time I watch any of these videos whether it's sukuna vs anyone or gojo vs anyone one things for certain sukuna and gojo will be downplayed MASSIVELY
Before the recording of this video Ronin told me he was doing a lot of VS video on sukuna. Most of them had him dying🤣 cause the scaling was crazy.
JJK is a pretty low power verse compared to most Shounen out there, so of course even the strongest character will often get dog walked by other Shounen characters.@@METAsMETAs
@@zigazdovc6175yeah there’s only like two strong characters. Tbf same goes for JoJo
@@IsThatAThaiNameBut Jojo has many unorthodox powers who’ hacks aren’t just “Yeah I have total control over the collective mindscape of humanity and can make you do what I want
Kars: "Oh thats cool, DOMAIN EXPANSION"
Domain expansion
INFINITE BULLSHIT
(I love JoJo)
“Ho oh? It’s the same type of energy as Hamon.”
-Kars
Put the "bizarre adventure" of the title as the domain name so its the most awesome/cringe thing you will read
Power scalers are the type of people to take the Pokédex descriptions literally
that's the thing. the pokedex descriptions are accurate
Me when I see machamp punch 1000 times in 2 seconds (it was in the pokedex)
@@3kojimbles895 star platinum: ORA ORA (Hold my [i dunno what stands drink])
@@toothlesshewhoreignsoverdr1190 would literally be impossible
@@toothlesshewhoreignsoverdr1190 powerscalers usually aren't accurate however so even if the pokedex is that changes very little... The main issue with powerscaling is that for every example feat of some crazy shit that they explain with physics they then just casually ignore tons of other things that directly make that not possible. Such as matter moving at ftl speeds. Literally not possible and if you're gonna say "but oh it's fictional, that doesn't matter" then stop scaling using actual physics too. You can't have your cake and eat it. Also basing it on irl physics is redundant anyways because for all we know light in that fictional universe travels slower than in ours.
Sukuna about to get the Gojover treatment while the Pillar men theme plays in the background.
😂😂😂😂
one ayayayay and its sukunover
As the perfect being, kars, fought the fraud, the king of curses, he opened his perfect domain. As Sukuna shrunk back in fear, kars said to him “Stand proud Sukuna, you are strong”
Goatkars
Kars, the goated lifeform
He is the ultimate lifeform after all
✍️🔥🔥🔥
Then kars proceed to give life all over sukuna's face
So, for JJK fans who dont watch JoJo, Ultimate Kars is basically Mahoraga if he was unkillable and can make a copied techniques 100x stronger than the original.
No he is not, stop lying.
@@maxdrags3115 he literally is, he can even copy moves in the first look.
@@maxdrags3115if it’s on Earth? Kars has a purely better form of it. Is Sukuna of Earth?…Crazy, isn’t it?
No he is not 😭
@no-sparringholloway, and it was stated that if he encountered a stand user, he could manifest that stand so he could possibly develop cursed techniques
Glad people are actually scaling Kars properly. far too many people think he can beat Cell, in fact any incarnation of Cell for that matter. If Sukuna can manipulate souls, does this mean he'd be able to do significant damage to stands? If that's the case, I wonder how he'd fare against DIO or Jotaro etc.
He could probably beat fetus cell 😭
It depends, is cell included in his ability as TUL?
@@Numbers-gStandsno
mf said cell wtf????? nah who u be talking to because they've lost they mind
i mean if its novel kars then yeah but regular kars aint doin anything
The Mahoraga's adaptation over Kars adaptation is crazy to me because it was stated there that Kars saw Joseph use it ONCE and he could use it and its 100x BETTER THAN THE USERS NORMAL TECHNIQUE!
And don't get me started on how Mahoraga takes more time in adapting because the wheel needs to spin more than once which itself tells me why Kars could absolutely neg Mahoraga's adaptability and don't get me started on how ULF Kars can create Mahoraga because Mahoraga is considered a life form too
Not to mention, in the very first episode of jjk, it is introduced that cursed energy is also a kind of "negative" life energy. And kars just adapt+master hamon -a "life" energy in just a sec. It also means that if kars get punched using cursed energy once, he can just adapt and 100% throw out a black flash for sure
that is NOT how that works
@@nijima7081the black flash shit is wrong, but everything else is right
@@nijima7081THAT is how it works
Well. This starts a different question.
Hamon = + cursed energy = -
What would cursed energy do to a JoJo vampire?
I think they might be adept at it. They might just transform into flesh based cursed spirits. Like The death womb paintings but worse.
the problem with this thought is that it would mean reverse cursed technique is hamon because they say it comes from multiplying cursed energy, a negative, by itself to create a doubled positive, which wouldnt make much sense in this vs
I think a major reason people have a misunderstanding of Kars being "weak" is because they only watched the anime, where his abilities are moreso shown than described.
As such, they see he has insane regeneration, can transmute his flesh into animals plus animal bodyparts, and of course is now immune to sunlight, but the upper scale of his capabilities gets glossed over.
Even the manga shows the bare minimum of what ultimate lifeform can do.
It can control it's own DNA and alter it to any living creature in the world.
Kars got pretty much asspulled in the manga, bullshitted back into the skies. We haven't even seen what the full extend of ULF really is.
This is literally his first half hour as the ultimate lifeform.
Yeah, like when it was stated that now is the only chance humanity has at stopping him that wasn't an exaggeration. Also his defeat in the end was only possible because he didn't have time to experiment with his own power, if he did he would of realized that blowing air in space would freeze him, let himself drift threw space until he reached something he can stand on, then probably launch himself like a meteor back at earth@@Royal420Way
@@Blue-fg8vt he should have paid more attention to his allies, esidesi,s techniques would have saved him there.
@@Blue-fg8vtI like to think he met aliens and hes basically god somewhere else. Earth is far too inferior for him to care
The worst case scenario is if they're evenly matched, infinitely adapting to each other, and getting stronger until their timeline's Beerus has to show up and destroy the planet. RIP Earth.
then they adapt to that 💀
@@poopfart9801????
@@poopfart9801you need to sign a contract with the reading comprehension devil
@@Koruimaso, a teacher?
@@poopfart9801 what chapter does it say that in? I'm on volume 20 I've read all the volumes, unless it says that after that point, which I doubt, then you're wrong
METAs and Ronin pulled out the malevolent kitchen for this one and absolutely cooked
it's an early thanksgiving feast 🦃
I know by now it's just a meme and a mistranslation, but it would make so much sense though right?
Every time meta brings up kars and doesn't mention Jorge Joestar it hurts my soul.
he basically did lol he just used cannon statements and not fanon feats (i dont think kars just surpasses all characters in Jojo)
@@Luci_89569Didn’t Ultimate Kars get beat by DIO’s The Passion?
isnt that non canon
novel kars is not canon people when will you learn
@@Greenhopper14 I dont have a clue brother i dont even know what half the shit in that novel means let alone remember it all i remember is kars has multiple OP stands and Dio has Jesus
...Yeah, honestly, Kars has been a pretty solid counterpoint I've been using whenever some weird VS battle goes on between verse's.
Its incredibly consistent to use just to demonstrate how many matchups are dumb and bound to the verse's rules. Kars just happens to scale either really poorly, or just insanely broken depending on how and where you place him.
Tbh, Jojo's definition of an "ultimate lifeform" might be one of the better interpretations that gives respect to that title.
I mean its quite litterally the ultimate lifeform. You cant really pair anything against kars because he's the best at everything
@@murilo_the_lilo9947 they also didn't kill him, just ejected him off the planet too. Bro didn't die, he just failed to win
@@Aedlmonrl Adding to this. He had a series of incredibly unfortunate events happen to him while he was fighting ants. I wouldn't consider ants stronger than a human if the human fell backwards into a rock and died of a brain injury while stomping the ant bed.
@@AedlmonrlI think he couldve adapted to space. But his world knowledge is from centuries ago at best, when astronomy was barely a thing. He probably didnt know that space was just... nothing.
@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh he's from the Aztecs and Mayan era, he probably had knowledge, but said knowledge is useless thanks to your last point. Bozo is going to drift in space to the end of reality and he can't do anything but wait for entropy to finally decompose his body at the end of the universe
Stand proud Kars, you are strong!
-Jogoat
"Stand Proud Goku, You Are Strong."
-Jogoat
I saw dude telling that your gay Kakashi can win ULF Kars,ow naw
Stand proud gege, your strong - JOGOAT 🐐🐐
"Stand proud, fiction. You are strong" - Jogoat. The king of curses
"stand proud"
-stardust crusaders OST
sukuna about to use the anti kars technique that he havent used since the hein era
Sukuna is gonna pull his mask with the red stone he had from the heian era
@@Sandwich-5-sandthe red stone was just so the mask could pierce Pillar Man faces
I feel like if kars had a little more time to specialize and explore his body in jojo he would of definitely achieved his goal he's basically a sentient shoggoth
Having all animals and planet earth power is really weak
@@tohyuluan2995kars doesn't only have all animal powers, he also could copy all living organism power, just like how he copy joseph hamon and make it 50 times more powerful and has been stated to be as hot as the sun
@@jovanomangelep kars can use hamon it cuz he learns how they use it and fight them for a long time if kars using CE he doing some thing he don't understand 400 is don't means he understand he still need time to learn like all life form but he learn faster
@@tohyuluan2995no he learned it instantly it wasn’t due to previous experience with them
@@monkcheese6218 it is you can't just use some thing and be like oh I understand this kars still study and learn he is a life form so he has to study
The one problem with scaling Kars is that you will either scale verse vs verse with no correlation between them or argue that if the oponent exists in the same universe as Kara that would mean that Kars encompasses those abilities and surpasses them, thus making him constantly the one with the advantage which is technically what Kars is so it's not a stretch.
Except for his weakness... THE LIGHT, or also the pearl of LIGHT.
@@JackfrostAtreidesOmegaXZero Ultimate Kars not base pre-Stone of Aja Kars
@@matus19971 Anyways, If you have the necklace can beat him If you have it like it his shown in his defeat against Joseph.
@@JackfrostAtreidesOmegaXZero you realise that Kars' defeat was all lucky circumstance AND most importantly, the stone amplified Kars' hamon, so in reality Kars defeated himself. No other person would harm Kars' even with their amplified hamon as Kars was much stronger in terms of using hamon. So not only would you need to have the stone but you'd need to be a master hamon user and better than Kars.
@@matus19971 Yeah, too but anyways HE CAN BE DEFEATED, despite of being just a improbability.
Joseph still wins because he planned it all out and totally didn't get lucky.
Now this is fax
@@imDpoobfax? why not email?
Joseph vs aizen,anime's biggest planners
the peak of Jojo content collabing with the peak of jjk content. banger vid
Just to throw out a random thought how well could either of the d'arby brothers be in the jjk. Since in the video they brought up soul stuff and the only few characters that deal with souls are like the d'arby bros.
I mean, that’s specifically went betting said souls with their games. They are regular humans before that. The video mainly brought up that nobody in the JoJoverse has resistance against Soul manipulation, seen with the D’arby bros (like you mentioned) and Silver Chariot Requiem, switching the souls of both people and animals.
The best I can compare the D’arby bros abilities is like a binding vow that requires the opponent to agree to bet their soul and the D’arby in question bets theirs. The loser gets their soul manipulated
As long as they don't go against Hakari, they win 90% of the verse
The only other stand I can think of is Black Sabbath, who can just straight up pull people’s souls out of their shadows. But when doing this to a stand user, it pulls out their stands instead.
What I got from this video, Kars Can adapt to Sukunas and Mahoragas adaptation because he can
Basically yeah, after using the red stone of Aja on the stone mask and placing it on himself, he practically does just that
@@charles3426it's stated sukuna can learn pretty much anything he sees once
Hell no, Mahoraga Isn't a biological lifeform
Mahoraga isnt a lifeform.
And if you want to really stretch, so isn't Sukuna.
@@MfwPrivate Sukuna It is from the earth, as long as it is from the earth Kars can copy it
Who he couldn't copy would be Maho or curses
Sukuna probably see Kars, underestimate him, send out a cleave,
Kars is hit, insta regens, Kars immediately understand curse energy, Sukuna is cooked
fuuga open then Sukuna: stand proud kars go strong then kars: wat is this
Kars Cursed Technique would be something insane like gaining a better version of Silver Chariot Requiem's ability.
Kars original ability was bone blades which could maybe become something similar to sukunas slashing
Kars' original power is his light blade, so it would be something centered around light probably
Or Kars would just use every type of ability in JJK that requires cursed and reverse cursed energy, similar to Yuta
@@FemDaHootsExcept there's no condition like literally it's just his base everything is his base form but he's is better than all. Crap such an op character
If kars adapts to sukuna wouldn't he just gain like soul protection or soul hitting powers if he survives the first soul slash? Also bro would be op if he get curse energy then he smart asf then he can use it 100 times better than the person he adapts to thats insane
Novel Kars is fanfiction
Isn't kars immortal? so like he can't lose any fight
@@anoguser146 Mahoraga adapts to anything and everything given enough time.
@@anoguser146 he was nerfed by plot
@@mgrdmcfansthatdontplaytheg781 let's see how he can adapt infinite regeneration
saying sukuna is planetary is WILD
Some people went to the extent of calling several jjk characters "universe level"
Meta has delivered the eluded meal, let's see how well he's cooked
Now that I think about it... If your cursed technique is somewhat based on genetics, Kars could very well adapt his own genes until he gets a busted one.
And if even Nanami could protect his soul subconsciously, I argue Kars could do the same and even understand how to do it.
The main issue is whether he would survive long enough to do all of these things against Sukuna (I think he would, because Sukuna doesn't like to end his fights without having fun).
Also this depends on whether Kars even has access to cursed energy in the first place, and I think there's a really good chance he would. If I remember correctly l, only the japanese people do (sorcerers or not), and with Kars intellect/understanding of living beings, I think he would know how to alter himself in order to have cursed energy.
Sukuna would find this interesting, and maybe even use more of his techniques that we currently don't know to combat this.
Man this fight would be so cool
No he couldn't copy curse technique because cursed technique is in a person's body and soul and kars can't change his soul
@@ashimbeast4732 Kars has incredible control over his life energy, and in JoJo's that includes souls. So it's possible Kars could alter his soul.
Nah I'd say he could probably only adapt to all beings on earth/his own universe
Cursed energy stuff is genetic so UKars could easily get access to cursed energy and make his own techniques as the ultimate life form
@@ashimbeast4732 Stated in the manga that everyonr has CE and a technique it's the brain thats the problem kars can change his body in a molecular lever so changing his brain is just a regular thing he can do.
You know your channel is growing when you're collabing with other powerscalers🙏🔥🔥
Imagine if Kars just adapts to have NO cursed energy.
Activating and deactivating cursed enregy production depending on the time. If Sukuna uses a domain or Kars wants to go in stealth or hide an attack he removes cursed energy on him or that part of him.
And if he has to go head on or just get energy he activates it.
The only problem with that is Sukuna's domain expansion attacks everything, with or without cursed energy.
Can't beings with no curse energy leave domains? What I meant was that a Domain has that little 'intro' time, time for Kars to just fly or run to leave before he gets caught in it. Which wouldn't be hard if he can move at light speed and even if its combat, short burst light speed.@@JoahTheThread5ive
@@desadograisedrobot515
Anything can leave Sukuna's domain; it isn't sealed off like most domain expansions.
The only problem is the fact that Kars wouldn't really know the danger posed by his shrine appearing, as he can't see his attacks.
Also, the light speed feats for Kars are tenuous at best.
Oh damn. Then the no curse is not needed.
Either way, massively faster than bullets Kars can still just run it. How long was the shrine intro? Like some seconds?@@JoahTheThread5ive
@@desadograisedrobot515
I accidently deleted a part that is probably important, Kars can't see or hear the attacks coming, even if he did have cursed energy, and could use it.
Also, malevolent shrine has a range of 200 meters.
I’m glad kars is getting the love he deserves, I’ve seen far too many jojo vids where kars is on the lowest end
Yeah I agree.
I don’t think Sukuna could win with Mahoraga because HE was able to beat Mahoraga, and if Kara can beat Sukuna w/o Mahoraga, he can beat Mahoraga.
2 V 1 is very different than 1v1
Depends on which sukuna. If it's heian era with mahoraga then that's a problem plus he was outsmarted by basically a regular dude. Pretty sure sukuna could get him outta there
he didnt get outsmarted, joseph lied to make him surprised, watch the fight again, pure coincidence@@sky-oq5mr
@@Carl_with_a_k_Sukuna tamed mahoraga so he's part of sukuna's TS technique
@@ratio8099 but he can summon mahoraga and have another body fighting for him and for Kars to keep track of.
I was looking forward to this eber since you brought it up
Y'all cooked here, I really enjoyed it!
This was such a fun discussion to listen to. It felt like it was really going back and forth for a bit before settling on Kars’ ultimate victory.
Kars murders that guy 💀
I mean, sure. But Fire Arrow? LOL. Please just remind yourself to JUST remember this move specifically.
@@boiexe2105 I really want too know what makes you think fire arrow would be the make or break here. I have read jjk and Out of all of sukunas abilities fire arrow helps the least against kars
@@chidiimoh4528 Correct me if Im wrong, (Unless you mean Novel) but Kars almost died to a Volcano's heat, then got launched into space. He barely lived the volcano no?
Also you say it helps the least, Im not saying it helps a lot. Im saying Sukuna just wins this. Feel free to disagree. Don't respond back tho, because I know for sure Sukuna wins this and I dont need confirmation on "YOUR OPINION WRONG!" It is correct and I do NOT care for an useless argument.
@@boiexe2105he didn’t almost die to it, he just got hurt badly.
@@Kyuubey0406 He literally almost died. The only BS that saved him was the shell armor thing he created
Polnareff literally states two times or something in the very chapter his supposedly FTL feat comes from, that he is not able to react to lightspeed movement...
The very idea, that Jotaro who throughout the story either gets hit by all sort of stuff vastly slower than light or has to rely on za warudo to dodge it, is supposedly "massively ftl" can only be described as utterly absurd...
One thing i need to add to the discussion is that people usually overlook the part qhere Kars has the abilities of ALL life forms 100x stronger than the original. So even if you manage to HIT him, he is immune to fire, immune to cold, immune dto radiation, poisonous, venomous, can multiply, can regenerate, is completely immortal...how do you even damage him?
Even in jojo he is so overpowered that he had to forget to use his abilities to "die". Not to mention he has a bazillion IQ if im not mistaken.
"immune to cold" my brother in christ he was defeated because he isn't immune to cold
@@jackhadskey8228 The cold didnt kill him, just paralyzed. Also he could easely got back from that situation.
@@pedropaulofaria6126 so easily that he didn’t
@@jackhadskey8228 because of poor writing lol.
Wasnt he freaking out over the lava because it was killing his cells too fast?
Kars: "yo that cursed energy looks sick! I wonder if I can use it???
*spawns 50 hollow purples*"
What
I feel like kars has a great understanding of his soul cuz if you look at jjk mahito changes his body by changing the shape of his soul kars turned his hand into a gah dam squirrel a whole ahh separate creature he is on a whole nother level
The squirrel is connected to kars so you can say kars just separated his soul with sukuna could do and without it jjk will never exist and sukuna knows true jujutsu which if you want to know you need to understand a lot about soul at least more then kars.
whole nother level...coming from-
@@hamptereatermy mind
I immediately had a whiplash the second I saw the notification
Another thing to note is despite it not being shown Kars can fully clone himself at will through mitosis and that makes this much more one sided
No he can’t LMAO
@@Wezlii530 why not?
@@shred0164 because if he could do that he would’ve, I always hate this “despite not being shown” mentality that people makeup whatever they want because they think it would work. This guy is referring to the scene where Kars makes a squirrel from his hand. He’s assuming Kars can do this and make a mini Kars that will regenerate, but if this were the case Kars would have killed joseph when he shot the piranhas at joseph while he was in the plane by turning them into himself, which would allow him to be in the WW2 era plane that he literally couldn’t catch
@@Wezlii530 kars was defeated by Joseph's plot armor he did not lose
he is still alive in the space of jojo universe
@@Wezlii530 yeah exactly, he should've done that. He has the abilities of every living thing, total control over his body and a 1200 IQ. But he still lost because the ending of part 2 wasn't written well
To all the Sukuna meatriders:
Kars wins
1. Fuga/Fire arrow won't do anything to Kars. He literally tanked an active volcano and came out of the lava just to surprise attack Joseph. Not to mention Kars has adapted Hamon which has the same firepower as the literal sun. (Kars didn't even train it, he just looked at it, copied it, and used it). 2. You might be thinking Sukuna's domain might be a problem. But Kars has an adapted version of every lifeform on Earth (about 100x at that). Also not to mention, Kars is effectively immortal. The only real way to kill him is to destroy every single cell inside his body (Kars has insane base regeneration, the only way he got damaged by Joseph was because he used the Red Stone of Aja to deflect Kars' attack against him). It is even confirmed in the show that Kars was defeated ONLY due to sheer luck/fate. The Earth itself expelled Kars because he was too busted. Joseph had no actual way to beat Kars.
3. Kars has 500 IQ (Yes its stated in the show). He would easily outsmart Sukuna.
Hypothetical: Sukuna uses Mahoraga to adapt to Kars
Counterpoint: Adapt to what? Kars' arsenal is basically unending so Mahoraga wouldn't be able to adapt to anything specific. What about Hamon? Well Mahoraga would indeed adapt to Hamon IF he survives the fact that Kars can literally oneshot Mahoraga using base Hamon. It will cut through Mahoraga like butter.
Final Point (Might be disproven):
Hypothetically, Kars SHOULD be able to gain stands. And stands will heavily impact the battle, and might even Negative Diff Sukuna. (Though this is hypothetical as we don't know if Kars can gain stands, but he should, if you remember that Hamon and Stands are somewhat connected)
Conclusion: Kars wins, Sukuna MIGHT win if he catches Kars by surprise with a Malevolent Shrine.
Edit: Kars can also clone himself if you realize that he can just duplicate via mitosis
Edit 2: Kars would definitely have a stand since they came from a virus (If viruses are considered lifeforms)
I forgot that Araki called stands spirit hamon
You sure he wasnt talking about just hermit purple?
@@aquilschutte if I remember correctly, stands and hamon are at minimum, the same type of energy, he explained this by saying that if the part 3 team time traveled to part 2, they'd see a young Joseph with hermit purple surrounding his arms.
@@MustafaIbrahim-rk6dj but their stands only got activated when dio activated his via arrow right?
I personally don't really trust araki cus it seems like he is confused 24/7
@@aquilschutte nah, jotaros did, but avdols was with him his life and I don't know about kakyoin or polnarreff
You should trust araki, most of the time he is "confused" are dumbasses with no reading comprehension
If you want to understand how araki isn't confused in his story, check out hamon beats videos, he has a whole series debunking any araky forgot moments
Technically, if you could change someone’s brain to learn CT, i think there’s a high chance kars could totally do that (or am high and have dementia)
You do have dementia. It was soul manipulation not just the brain.
@@danielkapekele1462which changed the brain...
@@DungEnjoyerr g it's different. You can go through surgery to change the brain. But changing the brain doesn't change your soul. Go reread the manga. The soul is what dictates jujutsu.
@@danielkapekele1462 I was about to say something but it's wandering into theory subject and you're not worth my time wasted to explain it
@@DungEnjoyerr literally just go over junpeis arc. There's a difference between soul and body manipulation that's plainly laid out. Mahito heals while manipulating the soul. But reverse curse techniques heal the body. They have the exact same result, but operate differently on a fundamental level. Nomatter how you reconfigure your brain, so long as your body doesn't match your souls true form, then you can't have cursed energy.
This was a very good video. Kudos to the both of you.
Btw, I have 3 things to say and hope Ican explain it without it being too long.
1. I think any JOJO character with STAND has some level of soul resistance attack. We know this through Avdol's explanation and Jotaro's mom. Avdol said only those with a very strong fighting spirit can use their stand and control it without it killing them. Jotaro's mom who didn't have a fighting spirit was shown to be dying when her stand manifested. Which verifies that statement... The only thing is, we don't know if by strong fighting spirit he meant a powerful soul, which will and should have a good resistance to minor soul attacks. But if not then Sukuna's soul cut might just work...
2. The JJK scaling... I do not agree with the Domain creation feat = A.P. It just doesn't work. Cos' if we really want to use it to scale a characters A.P in JJK 2 major problems will arise, especially since Domain is the pinnacle of the strength of jujutsu sorcerers and curses. The problems are
(a) Dagon will be Star or Solar system level if we actually use domain creation = A.P. Why? Well, because we can clearly see a sea, clouds and there's a light source (a sun) inside that domain. So, using the domain creation will be completely dumb as; ( i ) Dagon will then scale above Yuki's "PLANT BUSTER BLACK HOLE". Which makes no sense since Yuki scales above Dagon narratively. ( ii ) Toji who killed Dagon will have to be a solar system or island buster which we both know to be wrong as Toji in his prime and his own well trained body, was only building to city block level by being able to take red... Although this was a weaker red as it was Gojo's first time of using it, and even his current red showed nothing on the level of even mountain A.P. Which puts Toji at a very consistent building to city block level or multi-city block level if we use Maki surviving Naoto who tore through a whole city block. Making Toji's highest end to be multi city block... Now imagine Multi city block beating the shit out of Island level or going by what is actually inside the domain... A star level/ solar system level character and even killing him.
(b) Sukuna's domain is just a building (shrine...small hut). And domain is meant to be the pinnacle of their abilities and strength... Meanwhile the strongest guy's domain by creation feat is a HUT... with an attack range of 200 meters at high ends, so even if we want to say that he can create the shrine to be as big as the range his attacks covers... 200 meters isn't an island nor a planet nor a star/ solar system. See where the whole Domain creation meta doesn't work, because it is very inconsistent and doesn't align with the consistent show of power in the verse.
3 Still on JJK scaling: I believe the verse sits perfectly at large town to small city in AP and at the very highest Large city to mountain level.... Why? Well, because a 200% Purple Hollow Sukuna tanked didn't destroy more than multiple city blocks, then the unrestricted and powerful purple hollow he did at the end of their fight which heavily damaged both of hem could only destroy, like a very large area of the city, putting it in the small city to large town range... I know some people will say that that's just are of effect, but it isn't because Gojo himself said this: "IF I DON'T DIRECT ""UNRESTRICTED PURPLE"" IT HITS ME TOO, BUT I HAVE SUFFERED LLESS DAMAGE... MAYBE BECAUSE IT IS MY CURSED ENERGY". All this is saying, is that, the purple he used there was a full blown unrestricted attack meant to kill/damage Sukuna. And from what we see, it had a multi city block to small town destruction AP, by instantly wiping that whole area to rubble and dust. This is the most consistent AP scaling for the verse... Sukuna in his full form should be above the Sukuna who took that small city/large town unrestricted purple. So at best his current Sukuna should be like 2 time or 4 times that which throws him in the mountain to island level range.
Yes, I know they said Gojo's cursed energy can power a country, but that has nothing to do with his AP. That is just the amount of cursed energy he has equivalent to the electricity of USA... And even if we say let's give Gojo USA'a whole electricity as his AP this will scale him to 3441682600.3824 Tons Of TNT which is Island level. Becoming very consistent with when I said full powered Sukuna will be in Mountain Range to Island level. (I converted the 2022 total electricity USA consumed into joules then into tons of TNT. that's how I got that... Note that I used a whole year, whereas they said "for months" without specifying how many, so I just set it to the whole year). Meaning it won't remove a more powerful Sukuna from the Islan level ranges. it'll place him at large Island level perfectly, with his four arms form.
I believe using the statement of power USA to scale Gojo works very fine, since that is implied to be what all of his cursed energy can do. Which means his highest AP should be within mountain to Island level... But using actual feats from his 200% purple and unrestricted purple would sit him in small city/ large town range, which is the most consistent for the top tiers of the verse.
Sorry, this was too long. I deeply apologize. But I hope my message was passed across.
Had an argument on discord with some guys who said GOJO and SUKUNA will solo JOJO part 1 - 6 💀... I told them Gojo might be the only one to make it past part 3 because of infinity protecting him. I told them Part Dio after sucking joseph blood and saying he was at his strongest (should now have all his vampire abilities back) will beat and kill Sukuna and that he had way too many ways to do this. Conventionally pausing time as the fight starts then freezing Sukuna and shattering him. Or just phasing The World into Sukuna's skull or even his body and becoming tangible again, which will burst Sukuna from the inside out... They kept on saying Sukuna can't be hurt by a non-planetary character even after I said this. I also said Gojo and Sukuna might lose to Vanilla Ice who has a ball that eats space and anything in it's part... a literal dura neg and space manipulation, which should be able to kill Gojo and Sukuna since it literally consumes space itself. What do you think? From this video I believe you think Sukuna is stopping at Kars
This man Brokenronin sounds so much like Swagkage, I had to check the description and remember it’s a JJK collab
Here before this Masterpiece blows up.
i'm gonna be that guy, i'm gonna point out that Meta pronounced Mahoraga wrong
When you say silver chariot blocked a ray of the sun stand does make sense but a more plausible one is when he sliced Hanged Man, a stand that’s literally made up and moves at light speed
Insane crossover. Nice!!!
Just imagine Kars adapts to have cursed energy, but then using Mahoraga, Sukuna gets a stand
Why would sukuna get a stand? Kars never manifested a stand (Unless we count novel kars who is a whole other can of worms that I don’t want to get into.)
faster than light yet has trouble catching a fkn propellor plane thats hilarious the stretch goes crazy
plot
Reaction and combat speed does not equal travel speed.
Ah yes, the 'faster than light' volcano debris and severed arm that launched him to space
@@dedman5780it's highly implied by the narrator that Kars overthought Joseph's bullshit so he didn't manage to dodge.
@@cornofthefarm3554cope
META! This was an amazing video and shout out to all that pitched in! JOJO and JJK best mangas ever!
I haven’t seen your last couple of videos but the intro animation is fire
so basically, it's a question of "What is a king to a god?"
What’s a god to a non believer
I was planning on looking into this after work today so perfect timing for me!!!
This is the hardest intro I've seen for a youtube channel GOD DAMN
A COLAB I NEEDED
In JoJoverse, the soul is very, very close to the body. Any changes to the body will affect the soul, and vice versa. Like how Dio being a vampire, and his body's strength directly affect his stand's strength. I'd guess Kars being the ultimate lifeform probably ALSO made his soul one of the toughest things in the verse. Not as much as manipulate it over how tough it is.
And I think based on that, he could probably survive for a decent while, enough to injure Sukuna a single time. And if that happens, since sorcery is based on genetics, I'm willing to bet he'd be able to copy sorcery from his blood and then upgrade it instantly and then beat Sukuna.
Basically if his soul is strenghtened enough to survive a few strong cleaves and hurts sukuna once he wins, even with Mahoraga, cause Mahoraga adapts to enemies attacks, Sukuna doesn't. And Kars can basically create several different animals and gang on Sukuna, eventually catching him offguard. However, if his soul gets hurt enough from a few strong cleaves, Sukuna might win.
I honestly think Kars could find a way to adapt even his soul if he managed to survive soul slashes from Sukuna once or twice. Btw if he just adapted to have the body of a water bear even space wouldn't do that much against him, if I remember the water bear and it's interaction with space correctly.
@@randomyoutuber2633Yeh, Kars got stranded in space because there wasn't any creatures that can move in space.
@@randomyoutuber2633 The issue isn’t that he couldn’t survive, but he had no way to move in space as his air jets froze over before he could stop his momentum and start moving back to earth.
Hold on, are you talking about End of Battle Tendency Kars, or Jorge Joestar Kars? because those are two WAY different distinctions in themselves
Just imagine how cool that fight would look though
a neat little tidbit is that stand users see stands, and for Kars to be able to surpass stand users he has to be able to see stands as well, and for him to be able to do that that means he must have a stand; so by proxy, if someone is a stand users, then Kars is too
Sukunas spatial slash jus appears on youuuuuuu I feel like that dog walks so many verses
Especially the wall of slashes he used to kill kashimo
idk if u know ths but like novel kars can just rewrite reality or stop time for 6 hours and kill him or somethn. or y'know just heal it off without difficulty even if it hits shit the dude got every stand ability but buffed, he can revert time, skip time, literally flip the earth's axis whatever jojo bullshit u know of
What verses exactly? Because most verses now have characters who are faster than light or thousands of times faster than anyone in jjk, sukuna is just gonna get blitz
@@confusedcat261 Naruto, one piece, MHA, black clover, just to name a few sukuna would be a menace in
@@SaraTBV bruh, even asta can cut through dimensions way before sukuna did and its not like sukuna has any physical or speed advantage on asta , because asta is already faster than light earlier in the series , I haven't caught up to black clover but I know they get more busted in newest chapters
Creating an island and Horizon with energy is way more than island level, energy is mass times the speed of light squared that’s gonna be like move level
I don't understand what island level would be like, Toji killed Dagon with a sharp piece of wood xd
@@mabFullMoon its a special grade cursed tool, so its anything but ordinary
The thing is though this creation = AP argument is absolute nonsense as that’s not how domains work, they aren’t literally creating islands out of CE, it’s more like an illusion inside a barrier, I mean look at the size of Dagons domain then look at either the room it was opened in during Shibuya or the apartment building it’s open in back in S1, the sizes don’t match up at all because it’s not a literal space, also if we go with this creation = AP argument then how strong is Gojo cause I see stars and shit in his domain, it’s such a weird bit of speculation that has no basis in the story
@@josephapsey9965you fucked up already calling it an illusion, an illusion is a false reality to mess with your mind and senses but that's not what a domain is, dagon domain has real water, real grass, real trees, real land, it's also stated the inside of the domain has nothing to do with the outside so the space inside can be large while the outside is confined in a train station in the case of the dagon fight.
The reason why the creation inside a domain directly scales to the AP of the characters is it's directly stated the power and scale of the domain is linked to the amount of CE put into it
@@josephapsey9965it is a literal space. Have you ever heard of pocket dimension?
Recently there’s been debate over pre time stop vs toji, I’d love for you to talk about that
NO HOW DID U DO THIS I HAD THIS RANDOM THOUGHT LAST NIGHT
imo the 100x statement by kars doesn't mean he simply takes the skill and amps it 100x, but instead he takes the skill and brings it to his own level, which is 100x that of joseph's hamon for example
Finally someone with a brain
Didjt even think of it that way
This is gonna be a hard fight
As much i like Sukuna, kars slams him, his abilities are stupid busted
@@ch4rliegamingYea doesn’t Kars also have much crazier speed scaling?
@@ch4rliegaming Couldn't Sukuna just target every individual cell in Kars' body at once in his domain?
I think Kar's' regen speed scales to his speed. @@sajtospog9888
@@sajtospog9888he's never done it before though, so probably not.
I'm wondering if stand users would be immune to idle transfiguration given that inorder to use your stand your fighting spirit has to be strong enough, and inorder to utilize it you need to understand and evolve yourself giving an understanding of the soul like Yuji has, unless I'm wrong that is
Whats the song at 4:50 if thats ok to ask?
Imagine Ultimate Kars adapts to curse energy and he gets Mahoraga, and one of the Mahoraga upgrades is that it becomes fucking beautiful. Also Mahoraga posing alongside Kars with this extremely homosexual undertone that's seen in a lot of Jojo arcs, would honestly make me give the victory to Kars. Just on fashion and style alone.
He needs to tame mahoraga if he doesn't them he will be jumped by a true form sukuna and two mahoraga
@@ashimbeast4732mf what's stopping him from copying mahoraga? NOTHING. What's stopping kars from putting part of his soul into mahoraga to make it obey him? NOTHING.
Kars just turns Mahoraga into his Stand.
@@ashimbeast4732Kars has full control over the lifeforms he creates. He can manipulate them down to their particles
@@bezel95Oh god, I NEED that!
What I think kars would do is adapt his skin to be constantly changing to adapt to sakuna
I forgot the part where Kars is a human SCP 682, that's a good point
@@dualitygrief576a weaker version of 682. Kars can only use the abilities of living things, meanwhile 682 can copy black holes and have plot manipulation.
@@Delmont_The_Delusional fanon or proposal, those are different keys
@@dualitygrief576kars is a pillar man tho, not human
@@periodicart444 fair
Bro what an awesome crossover
Curious question: can idle transfiguration work on Kars?
Battle of the Strongest is actually a battle on who can learn who.
But remember: Sukuna might be the strongest but in order to become like Kars he needs the Red Stone of Aja and the Sun. So he can't just learn that. But Kars on the other hand can just learn Curse Energy Manifestation/ Manipulation/ Techniques.
So I guess it would just be if Sukuna does the thing he did to Mahoraga, Kars might get cooked.
If it fails, Kars would cook him.
Probably will, given the fact that Kars could unleash a never ending hail of super- creatures and attacks into Mahoraga.
I feel like Kars would only get hit by Domain Expansion like once or twice because he’ll realize that Sukuna’s Domain Expansion has no barrier and he could just move out of there instantly.
I think broken Ronan didn't mention that sukuna could his two additional hands to do hand signs and mouth to chant which will increase their power by 80% and if you say they are relative in ap and durability that 80% ap is gonna be a massive and the fact that his slash does damage to the soul which will take more time to heal grantees that if kars gets in the domain he will just die before he gets the chance to escape.
@@ashimbeast4732 Light speed traveling 200 meters is literally instant. Light can travel around Earth 7.5 times in a second, but instead of the whole Earth, it’s just 200 meters. So Kars can DEFINITELY escape.
@@1kikaetta bro dodged the domain expansion 💀
@@1kikaettaWhen did kars get to ftl my guy 💀💀💀☠️☠️
@@gpavitra85 nah he's just as fast as light, not ftl read bro
RONIN ON THE CHANNEL LESGOOO
New intro is dope
alot of people are discussing the difference between hamon and curse energy so I want to point out that;
1)Cursed energy comes from emotions, usually negative ones, therefore Ultimate Kars should be able to harness and manipulate cursed energy just like cursed spirits do even without a soul, in case one wants to assume that as a -vampire- (check replies) Pillar-Man he does not have any
2)As the ultimate life-form, U-Kars can do, become, surpass, _everything_ that _any_ living being can, which should automatically include being able to harness and manipulate cursed energy. The extent can be safely scaled to being as powerful, and probably even more, as the most powerful human cursed-energy user alive, so basically Gojo, and maybe Sukuna if one wants to count inhabiting a human body a good enough condition? I doubt cursed spirits count as "living beings", but that would be like considering Stands "living beings", I think it just goes heavily into fanfiction territory
3)On the "Soul Manipulation argument", does U-Kars have a soul? Well, Hamon is said to kill vampires because, and I am paraphrasing, it "revives"(kinda hard to choose the correct wording) the soul of a vampire "one last time", restoring the correct flow of life-energy in their body, therefore disintegrating it just like the Sun does, which is the source of all life-energy, which is why it was central in the plot yadda yadda you can do 2+2
So for all intents and purposes we can consider Vampires soul-less, or at least owners of "dead souls"(one could call them.... dark souls... *ba dum tsssh*), but then, does U-Kars, which can now not only withstand the Sun, but has effectively perfectly mastered life-energy manipulation to basically an omnipotent degree, be considered soul-less? I think he is, because I don't think the mask "revived his soul", but simply gave Kars these "godly" powers by gathering and manipulating an huge amount of light straight into his body, specifically his brain - it sounds less like a soul restoration, and more of a biological manipulation.
One would have to argue, is biological manipulation equal to soul manipulation? I don't think it is, because otherwise it would automatically give Kars omnipotence over soul manipulation too, since he is basically omnipotent over biological manipulation specifically regarding living beings, and if he does have "soul manipulation omnipotence", then he surely could resist any soul-direct attacks and soul-manipulating hacks.
I think I said everything, you're now free to call me a r*tard or whatever you'd prefer
EDIT; I want to clarify something that otherwise I think may cause some confusion; from my understanding, the mask does not "manipulate your soul" into becoming a vampire, but simply massively change your body, your brain in particular, into becoming a vampire(remember that the origin of vampirism in JoJo isn't some curse or godly punishment, but more akin to scientific experimentation on the body), which in the process kills you, and well, dead bodies have no souls.
Kars is not a vampire
@@KyngD469 Good observation, he is a Pillar-Man. I used the term "vampire" because the Stone Mask turns humans into vampires, and since vampires have similar powers to Pillar-Men, altho inferior, and are both weak to sunlight, it creates a sort connection between the two "species", so for simplicity's sake(especially for those less familiar with JoJo) I fused the two - maybe erroneously.
The point I was trying to make is that Kars as a Pillar-Man is still weak to sunlight just as a vampire is - and since a vampire is weak to sunlight because they're souless.. wouldn't that mean Kars, and Pillar-Men in general are soulless too - just like for example , especially after using the Mask, which is known to kill its users upon activation?
Maybe I am head-canoning it(I mean I am for all intents and purposes), but I don't really see another explanation, if you want to provide an alternate pow
@@FlavionnnThe stone mask (the one Dio used like the one Kars used) when they are placed, if you pay attention they touch key points in the brain, I don't remember if it was in the manga or anime that mention this rather it would be like changing your biology completely (It would be like an evolution, something like it is - pillarmen > vampires> humans)
Novel Kars is fanfiction
Kars is only the ultimate life form in his verse. Assuming it applies to other universes is riding him with Zero basis. Not everyone in the jjk verse has cursed energy. The reason they do could be something completely put of the realm of simple biology.
Something to note about Kars is that he adapts to all life on earth and everything they can do. The reason that it is debated whether or not he would have a stand is because stands are from another planet. Because humans are jujutsu sorcerers, it is highly likely that Kars would be able to not only use cursed energy, but also every cursed technique that he comes in contact with, since cursed techniques are genetic. It's also likely that Kars can see cursed spirits since his cells have the genetics of every living being. Basically, he yoinks all cursed techniques he comes across and does them better than the person he got them from. I think it is likely that Kars would see ten shadows and Mahoraga and just make a better version of ten shadows and Mahoraga. Also, there is no killing Kars because he is incapable of dying. Even now, he is still alive in the original universe of JoJo. Idk how, but it is quite literally impossible to kill Kars. Quick side note, if the version of Kars that was fighting Sukuna is Novel Kars, then Novel Kars 101% takes the dub. Novel Kars has 7 stands and has a very good understanding of the soul (on par with Mahito). He has Country+ level durability, Small planet level AP, and is so broken he has literal GOD on his side.
the stands are born from a virus after getting hit with the arrow, he could get one THEORETICALLY
@@kaso236 true. a few stand users are born with stands, so its possible that awakening a stand is possible through genetics, but Kars never came into contact with a stand user, so that kinda sucks. if he did, it is likely he would have a stand
novel kars did and got 6 stands which were already established, the world which can stop time for 6 hours, kars is hella crazy if you think more into it, if he was in DB Verse, he could literally give himself S Cells after seeing a saiyan (just a theory, dont flame me mexican DBZ stans)@@lukes401k
Every time he says magoraga instead of mahorage gets me for some reason
they said it so many times when a person dies in jojo their souls moves on proving anybody in the jojo verse has a soul and the stand is a manifestation of life energy in other words, the manifestation of the soul of the user even without a stand evreybody still has a soul the only thing the arrow does is unlock somebodys pontential or awakening from there dormant stand
Gojo in JJK: One of (Probably the) Strongest living being
Gojo outside of JJK: Around the strongest beings
Sukuna in JJK: Living God
Sukuna outside of JJK: Fraudka
So, I think that because Kars has the powers of all life, the slashes of Sukuna would be useless because of animals like hammerhead worms which can completely regenerate when cut in half, or even smaller segments. That improved on would probably make him impossible to cut, making it even easier
His attack attack the soul and last time i check hammerhead don't regenerate from getting their soul cut.
@@ashimbeast4732 You either trolling or you aren't aware at all hammerhead worms don't have souls and we can't cut souls. ☠☠☠☠
@@cadenza6686Poor hammerhead worms when cadenza6686 said they don't have souls: :(
@@ashimbeast4732 The pillar men as a species are a type of undead creature and don’t have souls
intro tuff asf
Don't forget that Hamon, wich Kars has the most perfect form has the ability to forsee the future, as Zeppeli's mentor did when telling Zeppeli how he'll die, and since Kars' Hamon is perfect, he could potentially see years into the future
The thing is, Ultimate Kars physically can’t die. No matter how much dmg you output, he will always survive.
Proof?
@@TheThinker1200watch part two lil bro
@@mack-qc1ps he survived being thrown into a volcano and a plane crash and y’all automatically assume that he’s totally immortal? I forgot the part where he was turned into dust. Y’all gotta remember that he isn’t using some kind of sorcery or magic to regenerate, his regen is fully biological, so if you where to completely dismantle him down to his cells, he would cease to exist.
@@TheThinker1200Thats kind of a hypothetical. The thing is, kars can become turn himself, and parts of himself into (and back from) any lifeform, and reforming them at will. That tactic could yield a "Plastic Man" situation, where Kars turns into tardigrades, or even smaller forms of life, waits for a bit and then reforms
@@AlexInTheRadio sukuna’s domain expansion targets all this with or without cursed energy. If kars stepped within 200m or 600 feet of Sukuna while malevolent shrine is active, he would be constantly hit with instantaneous attacks until he turned into nothing.
Didn't kars also move his small blades on his arm at light speed to make them glow and basketball cut almost anything
And that was before he became ultimate, his schtick was light manipulation.
He could turn himself invisible, if whamuu could create a shield from the sun WITH WIND, wouldn't HEAT AND LIGHT also utilized to protect themselves from the sun.
Also, Jojo has two ways of defending from soul attacks ...One is Love Train, and the other is Wonder of U. It's mostly because these things would either deflect the attack or prevent the user from even initiating it by killing them.
Kars description makes mahorga look like a hair that casually detached from kars haircut and evolved into a concient being.