I had more fun playing an MMORPG from 1996 than I did playing Pantheon. It has nothing to do with hitting cap in 5 days and more the fact that it's nowhere near ready for release after almost a decade of development.
@@TheTankClub Its just the reason you used for explaining that its not ready are exactly what I miss from Everquest. And as I understand it this game is supposed to be in the spirit of Everquest. No map, no hand holding, slow gameplay style, no button mashing but more strategic about pulling enemies and where to go. But with that said it most certainly is a niech game that most people will find to be terrible if you enjoy Wow and the likes.
@@TheTankClubit’s Early Access. It’s not a “release” I mean look at Baldur’s gate 3. It was in Early Access for a long time and what EA day one and release day for that game was nothing alike. Stop reviewing an incomplete game likes it’s complete. In fact educate yourself on what the current build of the game is. Maybe go away and come back when 1.0 drops buds. Then give it a review. Btw playing 3 hours and having an opinion is a terrible way to review a game properly finished or not…
The main point you missed here is that this is a grouping and social game. It’s not meant to be played solo, though you can but will find it slow going. You were trying to solo things as a warrior(tank), you should be in a group taunting, holding agro, pulling, etc. They even have a built in group finder and it’s very easy to find a group. You should give it another play through from the perspective of a tank in a group.
Its a bad design Embers Adrift tried the same approach and once players starting leaving the community got sick of looking hours for groups and eventually the game died and died extremely quickly….this game will be dead on arrival it will last a month or two at the most sad to say
@CestPasFaux-kt9zq thats not true brother i played that game since launch and it died extremely quick it probably has a playerbase of around 30 active players
Or cause people to quit in frustration ask Blizzard about those kind of things they did it repeatedly. There is a difference between exploring and making something impossible.
Actually if I remember correctly, we googled (yahoo actually) the hell out of every frustrating quest to find out where to go, what mobs to kill etc. The only community it fostered was one of forums & wiki's. =P
Plays EverQuest spiritual successor > complains that there is no map, mobs are hard to beat, limited storage, slow combat at start. Yeah, you used to the handholding. Complain about fetch quests, yet you complain that they are too hard? That’s WHY it’s fun. It’s not about the type of quest, it’s about the adventure.
"I am accustomed to games providing more clear guidance..." ahh yes, and this is why we can no longer have nice things, like good MMO's.... because too many people need the hand-holding and easy-mode in MMO's.
man if you told me in 2004 that this is how MMOs would look in 20 years time i wouldnt believe you..i would be asking questions like..was there collapse in human society and we are rebuilding?
complaining about no easy ways to find questitems no maps no easy this that no its a MMO wich means all should take long times if this isnt for you then dont play but dont putt a game down because you dont know how to play it you barely played
The word you're looking for is "mentioned" rather than "complaining" I have barely played the game which is why this is a FIRST IMPRESSIONS rather than a full review.
Have you played it at all? His points are valid. I hear everyone touting "THIS is what we've been waiting for!!" No, it isn't. It's a pale ghost of what you remember, and nostalgia will only last so long. Back when people had hours and hours to spend on a game every night, EQ was king. Now, not so much. This game will have a super niche market, and nothing more. Very few people will have the time required to have fun in Pantheon. I remember vanilla EQ... it was fun AT FIRST... then it was Hell.. literally they called them hell levels... I don't want to ever go through that nonsense again. Watching videos of how long it takes a GROUP to take down 1 wolf tells me this game won't last. Who wants to spend 10 minutes killing a trash mob?
How about grouping with other players? This game is designed to best be played that way. I played the original EQ when it first came out, and grouping in that was essential in many areas. I played solo a lot, but its very slow progress. Going solo was great for acquiring loot.
just found this game on steam and was intrested at once... But after i put alot of money the past 10months on games i played at most 30min-2h and that was so horrible i just wanted moore info before i even put either money or any kind of time into a new game....... Thanks 4 this video(i will sadly not be playing this game at this moment..i do hope it will get to a better state!)
Not a bad review, dont agree with everything but I have been playing for several years so my opinion is diluted a bit. One thing I will say is that you unfortunately happened to have picked the least developed class. I do believe that most of your concerns will be addressed by EA, or at least I choose to lol.
the game is looking like complete utter trash nowadays. the old art style looked so much better. I lost all interest i had in this game, huge letdown. also gameplay wise, how does this game still play so bad? how is this everything you achieve after a decade? that's actually awful
This game is not about quest hub to quest hub. In fact quests have such a small part in this game I don't even do then unless it's to get keyed. The game is about exploration and grouping, not questing.
So it sounds like EQ Hell levels but for the entire game. I'm going to give it a hard pass, lol. People ride too much on the "Nostalgia" of the older MMOs when those outdated systems were garbage even at the time.
I was SO excited for this game...a decade ago. It looks like trash now and the mechanics even more dated than ever before. Being in my mid 30s now with a wife and job, and not my mid 20s when this game looked very appealing, there's no way I could ever play it. Old school MMOs were fun, and I loved EQ, AC, and FFXI, but the one thing all of these MMOs had in common was that they didn't respect your time. To do anything meaningful requires an enormous time dedication, and this game also will not respect the time of someone that can only spare a few hours per week to game, so there's no point for me to ever play it. I don't have 40+ hours per week to dump into playing an MMO anymore. I'm lucky if I even have 4. To get anywhere in this game would take a lifetime, so I'll unfortunately have to pass. The new art style looks god awful too. looks like one of those budget f2p MMOs from 2005. Such a shame. The potential and hype was there, but it's releasing at least 7-8 years too late. Cheers to everyone else that ends up playing it an enjoys it, hope you all have a great time!
To be fair they've had aaaaaaa lot of development issues and funding, however, they've still got a long way to go and another game called Embers Adrift seems to be making far more progress
@CestPasFaux-kt9zq Dumbest comment here. You have no way to judge if that will be true or not. For all you know, pantheon will never launch because it's gone down hill a LOT in the last 3 years.
yeaahhh.. i think you missed the point here. its like going to a gay club and complaining there are too many gay people. this game is designed to have the old school style of play with no maps no hand holding, etc. that being said playing it expecting something different and making a video about it its kinda weird
Very Everquest-ish, they didn't have a map to start with either. I've done those kind of quests so many times in Everquest that they are not fun anymore. This game seems grindy. I'll pass.
True. Even as an original Ever Quest player, I started the first month it was released and was addicted to it literally, the graphics on this are a bit disappointing. I was hoping for a bit more. I wonder how the sound is.
Every time you say something negative and get frustrated about the game, I giggled. Pantheon is for OG's. I litterly have clicked on every NPC in EQ and have note books full of my own maps and game info. That's how we used to play, and that's why we are excited about Pantheon. I truly feel like an old man listening to you complain, LOL! Now get off my Pantheon grass.
I would play this game exactly because of "negative things" been said here. I dont want to hit cap in 5 days, dont want to be shown the way, dont want to feel i have everything showed to me like i cant discover and earn it. At least is reviewed here 🎉
"Old School MMO" that means you get no help and every part of progression will be painful. (And No I don't miss those days, and as many good memories as I have from actually playing old school mmo's/games I do not want to relive these ones. I'm 51... I don't want to die levelling up here)
This is the new eq but its better - come play live ! Starting tomorrow supports can play for 5 weeks, and get access to the beta for $50. Better than buying a Mana Crypt ! 😮
"the game feels unfinished", "the game lacks polish" .. It's in development..?! Maybe don't review games that are in development, if you cannot keep yourself from applying false standards.
@@TR3LON1ST Tell me you know nothing about game development without telling me. This video is about the con that Pantheon is trying to pull. Period. If you don't like it, move on. 🤡
This dude's complaints are selling the game to me... Simple graphics??? Open ended gameplay with no hand holding?? Slow combat??? Where do I sign up? He goes on trying to list his qualifications "25 years playing MMOs" haha Man I hope they don't listen to jack you said in this impression.
Complaining about pre-alpha game is smart. 'Game releases in 4 month' is total bs. Early Access, which is still not actual release and characters will get wiped from time to time as it is still not a release in any way. Something was right, game needs a lot more, and as its not even in alpha testing... Good and professional 1st impressions video with 0 research. Slow pace and no map, no hand holding is exactly what game should be like.
Just to be clear, this iteration of the game has not been "in development for a decade". I am not making excuses for the devs but a lot has changed since then. They scrapped and redid a ton of work (for better or worse). This iteration of the game has probably been in development for about 4 years now. The game is VERY unfinished and they are not confused about that. Major systems are still not in the game. However, things like climbing are and you showed none of that. That is a differentiating exploration tool.
This game has been a flop since it was announced. The development hell it's been stuck in speaks volumes. Ten years in development, looks and performs like it's less than a year into development.
So basically your looking for an easy game to play where the game take you by then hand... It is not the way classic mmo work so prolly not for you! Cant wait to start my journey after this long wait!
This game just sucks to play. An absolute slog to do anything. Waste so much time doing nothing. Its not an EQ-redo, its intentionally bad. As if EQ took several steps backwards.
Everything the commentator is complaining about is exactly what some of us want. Some people enjoy exploration and not hitting cap in 5 days.
These where my thoughts as well as i was watching this video...
I had more fun playing an MMORPG from 1996 than I did playing Pantheon. It has nothing to do with hitting cap in 5 days and more the fact that it's nowhere near ready for release after almost a decade of development.
@@TheTankClub Its just the reason you used for explaining that its not ready are exactly what I miss from Everquest. And as I understand it this game is supposed to be in the spirit of Everquest. No map, no hand holding, slow gameplay style, no button mashing but more strategic about pulling enemies and where to go. But with that said it most certainly is a niech game that most people will find to be terrible if you enjoy Wow and the likes.
I'd recommend playing Old School Runescape then, it's more polished and very much so not hitting level cap in 5 days
@@TheTankClubit’s Early Access. It’s not a “release” I mean look at Baldur’s gate 3. It was in Early Access for a long time and what EA day one and release day for that game was nothing alike. Stop reviewing an incomplete game likes it’s complete. In fact educate yourself on what the current build of the game is. Maybe go away and come back when 1.0 drops buds. Then give it a review.
Btw playing 3 hours and having an opinion is a terrible way to review a game properly finished or not…
The main point you missed here is that this is a grouping and social game. It’s not meant to be played solo, though you can but will find it slow going. You were trying to solo things as a warrior(tank), you should be in a group taunting, holding agro, pulling, etc.
They even have a built in group finder and it’s very easy to find a group.
You should give it another play through from the perspective of a tank in a group.
*Runs up to kill 1 bee near 5 other bees and dies*. "This game sucks". lmfao
@CestPasFaux-kt9zq or we just call game total shite, which it is.
Its a bad design Embers Adrift tried the same approach and once players starting leaving the community got sick of looking hours for groups and eventually the game died and died extremely quickly….this game will be dead on arrival it will last a month or two at the most sad to say
@CestPasFaux-kt9zq thats not true brother i played that game since launch and it died extremely quick it probably has a playerbase of around 30 active players
@CestPasFaux-kt9zq i never said the game isnt online i said its dead which is true
As an old Everquest player every single complaint you mentioned made me cheer and think yes!! That's exactly what I want from Pantheon!
Less guidance on quests encourages socializing
Less Maple tree spawns encourages exploration
Or cause people to quit in frustration ask Blizzard about those kind of things they did it repeatedly. There is a difference between exploring and making something impossible.
@@omarahtopaz6332Impossible 😅. Yeah so all old school games were bad..
Actually if I remember correctly, we googled (yahoo actually) the hell out of every frustrating quest to find out where to go, what mobs to kill etc. The only community it fostered was one of forums & wiki's. =P
@@omarahtopaz6332Yup, every Blizzard franchise has also declined over the past 2 decades.
@@omarahtopaz6332impossible? You talking about og epic quests?
The game is in pre- alpha. Not alpha not beta…I think early access is too early.
the game is in development for 10 years.
@@laoch5658 and it needs 10 more years to cook.
The background music in your video does not match the energy of your content at all and is kind of distracting.
"FAR BETTER THAN IT'S OUTDATED APPEARANCE"
Is that compared to its now outdated appearance?
The game is going back to the glory days of EQ, before World of Warcraft made everything super accessible, soloable, and, frankly, too easy.
Uhhhh you didnt' play Vanilla did you ? lol
Well that tells me you aren't doing world top 200 mythic raiding or higher end mythic plus. EQ isn't hard, it's just a grind for sake of a grind.
@@ZeSpektrumand raids aren't?
@@Adalon- It's a grind but at least its mechanically hard, EQ isn't hard at all.
Plays EverQuest spiritual successor > complains that there is no map, mobs are hard to beat, limited storage, slow combat at start.
Yeah, you used to the handholding.
Complain about fetch quests, yet you complain that they are too hard? That’s WHY it’s fun. It’s not about the type of quest, it’s about the adventure.
"I am accustomed to games providing more clear guidance..." ahh yes, and this is why we can no longer have nice things, like good MMO's.... because too many people need the hand-holding and easy-mode in MMO's.
Exactly what I was thinking. What's the point of a game if it just tells you where to go and what to click?
If this game can become the Everquest 3 we never got, this would be awesome!
Combat animations are key. It looks like they picked up some DAoC programmers with some of the menus that came up. They know what I am talking about.
man if you told me in 2004 that this is how MMOs would look in 20 years time i wouldnt believe you..i would be asking questions like..was there collapse in human society and we are rebuilding?
No maps, hard to solo, no question mark pops out, that's what I want !
It's great fun to play, can't wait for EA in the end of the year. So much is coming, and they have really picked up some momentum last ~6 month.
It has been fun so far.
complaining about no easy ways to find questitems no maps no easy this that no its a MMO wich means all should take long times if this isnt for you then dont play but dont putt a game down because you dont know how to play it you barely played
The word you're looking for is "mentioned" rather than "complaining"
I have barely played the game which is why this is a FIRST IMPRESSIONS rather than a full review.
Have you played it at all? His points are valid. I hear everyone touting "THIS is what we've been waiting for!!" No, it isn't. It's a pale ghost of what you remember, and nostalgia will only last so long. Back when people had hours and hours to spend on a game every night, EQ was king. Now, not so much. This game will have a super niche market, and nothing more. Very few people will have the time required to have fun in Pantheon.
I remember vanilla EQ... it was fun AT FIRST... then it was Hell.. literally they called them hell levels... I don't want to ever go through that nonsense again. Watching videos of how long it takes a GROUP to take down 1 wolf tells me this game won't last. Who wants to spend 10 minutes killing a trash mob?
How about grouping with other players? This game is designed to best be played that way. I played the original EQ when it first came out, and grouping in that was essential in many areas. I played solo a lot, but its very slow progress. Going solo was great for acquiring loot.
This game has taken so long that the graphics that once seemed ok are now dreadful 😳
just found this game on steam and was intrested at once...
But after i put alot of money the past 10months on games i played at most 30min-2h and that was so horrible i just wanted moore info before i even put either money or any kind of time into a new game.......
Thanks 4 this video(i will sadly not be playing this game at this moment..i do hope it will get to a better state!)
Not a bad review, dont agree with everything but I have been playing for several years so my opinion is diluted a bit. One thing I will say is that you unfortunately happened to have picked the least developed class. I do believe that most of your concerns will be addressed by EA, or at least I choose to lol.
if you appreciate eq 1 style then you'll probably appreciate this. If you're more into the modern games then this may be a hard sell.
1 and 1/2 hour to find a tree for a quest ? hell no thanks
btw the game doesn't launch in December, that is a pre-early access
I lost interest when they threw out their gothic fantasy art style in favor of fucking Fortnite graphics.
If this is what they have after 10 years then it’s doomed.
I loved EQ, but I cancelled my account after SOE sold out to Daybreak Games and never played again.
I really want it to do good i miss good team based rpg combat but it seems like it needs at least another year of development december is way to soon.
the game is looking like complete utter trash nowadays. the old art style looked so much better. I lost all interest i had in this game, huge letdown. also gameplay wise, how does this game still play so bad? how is this everything you achieve after a decade? that's actually awful
This game is not about quest hub to quest hub. In fact quests have such a small part in this game I don't even do then unless it's to get keyed. The game is about exploration and grouping, not questing.
So it sounds like EQ Hell levels but for the entire game. I'm going to give it a hard pass, lol. People ride too much on the "Nostalgia" of the older MMOs when those outdated systems were garbage even at the time.
I was SO excited for this game...a decade ago. It looks like trash now and the mechanics even more dated than ever before. Being in my mid 30s now with a wife and job, and not my mid 20s when this game looked very appealing, there's no way I could ever play it. Old school MMOs were fun, and I loved EQ, AC, and FFXI, but the one thing all of these MMOs had in common was that they didn't respect your time. To do anything meaningful requires an enormous time dedication, and this game also will not respect the time of someone that can only spare a few hours per week to game, so there's no point for me to ever play it. I don't have 40+ hours per week to dump into playing an MMO anymore. I'm lucky if I even have 4. To get anywhere in this game would take a lifetime, so I'll unfortunately have to pass. The new art style looks god awful too. looks like one of those budget f2p MMOs from 2005. Such a shame. The potential and hype was there, but it's releasing at least 7-8 years too late. Cheers to everyone else that ends up playing it an enjoys it, hope you all have a great time!
This. Time is the main factor that will destroy Pantheon.
Is there anything new here? Or just the same old
I get its supposed to be old school but the combat just does not look fun to me
I don’t think he ever opened his bags lol
To be fair they've had aaaaaaa lot of development issues and funding, however, they've still got a long way to go and another game called Embers Adrift seems to be making far more progress
@CestPasFaux-kt9zq Dumbest comment here. You have no way to judge if that will be true or not. For all you know, pantheon will never launch because it's gone down hill a LOT in the last 3 years.
yeaahhh.. i think you missed the point here. its like going to a gay club and complaining there are too many gay people. this game is designed to have the old school style of play with no maps no hand holding, etc. that being said playing it expecting something different and making a video about it its kinda weird
So in summary, this game wasn't made for you and never intended to be.
Very Everquest-ish, they didn't have a map to start with either. I've done those kind of quests so many times in Everquest that they are not fun anymore. This game seems grindy. I'll pass.
I looks outdated.
True. Even as an original Ever Quest player, I started the first month it was released and was addicted to it literally, the graphics on this are a bit disappointing. I was hoping for a bit more. I wonder how the sound is.
When did this turn into Palia rise of the fallen? I hate these new graphics.
Every time you say something negative and get frustrated about the game, I giggled. Pantheon is for OG's. I litterly have clicked on every NPC in EQ and have note books full of my own maps and game info. That's how we used to play, and that's why we are excited about Pantheon. I truly feel like an old man listening to you complain, LOL! Now get off my Pantheon grass.
i still have my hand drawn maps from the original release of eq because it didnt have built in hand holding maps either.
just watched the wow video on your channel. Probably a good idea to switch to a slower game like pantheon grandpa
Challenges arnt for everyone
I downloaded nearly every mmo. This one looks the most shit and I won’t even trying this.
graphics upgrade? what a joke
I would play this game exactly because of "negative things" been said here. I dont want to hit cap in 5 days, dont want to be shown the way, dont want to feel i have everything showed to me like i cant discover and earn it. At least is reviewed here 🎉
looks worse than everquest on day 1!
"Old School MMO" that means you get no help and every part of progression will be painful. (And No I don't miss those days, and as many good memories as I have from actually playing old school mmo's/games I do not want to relive these ones. I'm 51... I don't want to die levelling up here)
This is the new eq but its better - come play live ! Starting tomorrow supports can play for 5 weeks, and get access to the beta for $50. Better than buying a Mana Crypt ! 😮
"the game feels unfinished", "the game lacks polish" .. It's in development..?!
Maybe don't review games that are in development, if you cannot keep yourself from applying false standards.
Early Access usually means a game that is 90% polished. It isn't ready, and likely won't do well.
@@basedbear1605 Early Access means that you get early access to a game that is still in development. Period. If you don't like it, move on.
@@TR3LON1ST Tell me you know nothing about game development without telling me. This video is about the con that Pantheon is trying to pull. Period. If you don't like it, move on. 🤡
This dude's complaints are selling the game to me... Simple graphics??? Open ended gameplay with no hand holding?? Slow combat??? Where do I sign up? He goes on trying to list his qualifications "25 years playing MMOs" haha Man I hope they don't listen to jack you said in this impression.
Everything about it looks horrible
Complaining about pre-alpha game is smart. 'Game releases in 4 month' is total bs. Early Access, which is still not actual release and characters will get wiped from time to time as it is still not a release in any way.
Something was right, game needs a lot more, and as its not even in alpha testing...
Good and professional 1st impressions video with 0 research.
Slow pace and no map, no hand holding is exactly what game should be like.
Spent 3 hours playing, i just stopped right there, 3h is not long enough to even make a video, or speak of an mmo.
Sigh why did we get a wow child to play this
Just to be clear, this iteration of the game has not been "in development for a decade". I am not making excuses for the devs but a lot has changed since then. They scrapped and redid a ton of work (for better or worse). This iteration of the game has probably been in development for about 4 years now. The game is VERY unfinished and they are not confused about that. Major systems are still not in the game. However, things like climbing are and you showed none of that. That is a differentiating exploration tool.
lmao the hardcore cope from the comments
Ive played it since first Pre Access. It has gotten worse not better. They have engineers but no vision or design.
How has it gotten worse? Im a huge Ever Quest fan and was thinking of jumping in soon on this.
This game has been a flop since it was announced. The development hell it's been stuck in speaks volumes. Ten years in development, looks and performs like it's less than a year into development.
Isn’t this dead?!
So basically your looking for an easy game to play where the game take you by then hand... It is not the way classic mmo work so prolly not for you! Cant wait to start my journey after this long wait!
Dead on arrival
Hilarious. I got some cheese for the whyne.
Ashes of Creation, is a better game. Sorry, devs, that's just how the cookie crumbled
its a MMORPG dude, its made to play with others, not solo lol
yikes this art style is such an L. What a shame.
Enough of the moderate or fast progression crap. I can play everything else if I want that.
This game just sucks to play. An absolute slog to do anything. Waste so much time doing nothing. Its not an EQ-redo, its intentionally bad. As if EQ took several steps backwards.
This looks like total trash
This game died with Brad, you guys have no creativity.
Brad ran it into the ground pushing for a surface level demo instead of actually making a game.
They are lacking money not creativity
Brad was a cokehead.
looks so 2003 haha stop
You should have seen it before
this game is and always will be vaporware.
game is dead on arrival