This game is dangerous. I login at 10pm after the kids are in bed, plan to play for 1-2 hours, then I look up and it's already 4am and work starts in 3 hours. 90 hours in and struggling to put this down and get my sleep schedule back in order.
@@killval849 I'm playing a DarkMyr Summoner which is way outside my comfort zone (I usually play a Wood Elf Druid or Ranger 99.9% of the time). But to answer your question, the Summoner is just so flippin fun to me right now 😁 love everything about them AND I just got my level 12 spell "summon corpse" so I'm going around from bind stone to bind stone offering to summon people's corpses so they don't have to do a corpse run. I love utility classes and this fits my play style perfectly just helping out random strangers.
Welp, you sold me that I will likely absolutely love my time with Pantheon. I guess I'll be picking it up and spending the next couple days no lifing. The game is looking great.
I'd forgotten about this title until TheLazyPeon did a Let's Play video this week, and now Splatty is playing. As an EQ player turned WoW player I am interested.
Honestly, it's kinda sus how many people suddenly covering this game. Seems like an undisclosed sponsorship on some of the creators specially ones that don't usually cover them.
On the one hand, this seems interesting. On the other: as an original EQ1 player, the name "Brad McQuaid" raises the hair on the back of my neck (and not in a good way). In addition: "this is an old school game" is often cover for "we couldn't be arsed making a decent UI". This is currently the case (the UI is ass, eg the lack of level-sorting for spells at a vendor), so... we'll see. This is currently CA$52. EQ2 is free. Anyone wanting old school jank doesn't need to pay to get it.
Ah, EQnext. I've been watching this one for years. It's tempting, but I also know what I'm getting into. Again. I'm not sure I have the time anymore for this sort of game, but I'm glad one is being made. The nostalgia is strong, but I recall all too well the time investment. You know, just you and 71 of your closest friends on a nice 8 hour tour of the local raid dungeon.
These IN-WORLD dungeons without instancing or zone lines remind me a hell of a lot of Vanguard. It was made by the creator of EQ and eventually also purchased by Sony but this time to defund and kill the project so it didn't compete with EQ. Vanguard had a 20s level giant ant hill in the ground dungeon that you could eventually kill the prince and queen etc. at the bottom. Extremely fun and easy to get lost in. No in game map, just your game knowledge and experience as a guide for the next party. Fighting down for an hour to reach a camp where you farm Named spawns for a few more hours was a blast ... just living in their dungeon for a few hours while you harvest them for resources.
Great video! ..Just want to mention for those that want to know, lore is a thing in Pantheon, and will get implemented with time - Perception, Discover clues, dialogues, and outcomes that change based on your adventures and the choices you’ve made along the way. Hone your intuition to see the world in ways others cannot and unravel the mystery with the Perception System. And also iirc map will be implemented as well, but it will not have a GPS, it will be fog of war and hopefully other interesting features to it.
@@krisnayosep7121 I don't know where you get that idea from, They patching regular and have pushing out new updates regular since January -24 ..But as it been said many times now, Pantheon rise of the Fallen isn't for everyone, and that is ok ..Just curious, how much content do they need to push out, for you to not call it a scam?
If any of you are on Black Moon and need me to summon your corpse, send me a tell in game "Fishy". At level 12 we summoners can summon corpses and I'm constantly offering free help to anyone in need. Hmu
I provided my support to this back in 2016, and it is nice to finally get in and play it. I like it, even though there are a few things I wish were different.
Having a nostalgia blast in the game, cant wait to see what they do to evolve the specs. Since i started on day one I saw many map features and spell effects get updated, mob and pet stats get adjusted so they are definatly listening to the steam discussions and evolving.....still a long ways off release though.
Whoa! Lovely coincidence, I've also been playing this recently and have been roping in IRL friends to help fill out parties and make grouping easier. It's a very fun and dangerous world to explore. I've been very impressed with what's already there, and looking forward to what they are cooking up in the coming years.
This was a very good in depth video on the game, that said. I wouldn't play it since it has two conflicting design elements. to echo what you said in the 3-4 min mark which hit the nail on the head. "Successor to EQ" to me means. EQ but more solo friendly- similiar to what current EQ is now with mercs with some QOL attached. doesn't have to be major stuff, just small stuff like skill presets for easy swapping, It was re-inforced by 1. no overworld map and 2. crafting your own gear. but then you have elements of highly incentivized overworld grouping to clear spots for good resource nodes, various enemy camps etc. i can only imagine the headache later on if the best way to level- or really the only way- was to group up to kill mobs like in EQ. combine that with no overworld map , it will make it very difficult to sync up with people- especially if you are different races you might not even see each other naturally. I mean there is a reason why the #1 most popular addon for EQ is a better, heavily detailed, map! so while i think its a nice idea to not have a map- its just kinda ironic they mention EQ without realizing that vast majority of EQ players used map addons cause the ingame map was traaaash and they didnt want to deal with it. this introduces a more hardcore mindset of players. which contradicts "Successor to EQ" since that would mean its basically EQ with a different coat of paint. and the leave your stuff on death and have to find it again while also trying to not get stuck in a death cycle from mob with huge aggro ranges, can move faster then you, and have severe leash distances is a total trash mechanic. if they added some QOl to where you were idk immune/invisible to mobs until you get your stuff back then i would give it a try. the walk back and xp loss is fair enough.
I had nearly 4 yrs where i lived in Norrath :) I played from when it launched through the first 3 expansions - and popped back to play for a few month several times years later. Can you remember what server you were on splat?
If you decide to play this make sure you start in thronefast the same zone in this video. If you start in Wilds End the purple forest your going to find its really hard to get a grp above lvl 10 and making the walk to the other zone is near impossible. Also finding a class you like will be a big part of your enjoyment as they are very different. Typical group play is basically standing still in one location and someone pulling mobs to you and your generally fighting 6v1 against the mobs. Its very static. Having said that I got 4 mains :D
lol, chest spawn! I know that place. Also, for early game, up to level 4 you don't drop your stuff when you die, so that's a prime time to do your exploring. That won't get you far in the higher level zones obviously, but like Thronefest you can get a good feel for the zone with little risk :)
Shaman main heals just fine. Shaman is a healer. The only Supports are Enchanter and Necro. Edit: It is much faster on the majority of Classes to solo to 14 before soloing get's sparse over Grouping. 9 out of 10 times, grouping is much slower for various reasons. I can do most alts from 1-14 in about 5 hours. Also there is some truth behind waiting for parties. Being that I am on the upper end to what most are level wise (dependant on Class as well. Necros are in a rough spot) I have waited 7+ hours for a group. The game heavily atm relies on being in a Guild that groups together, or having a group of friends. 15 Summoner / 15 Necro / 16 Shaman / 11 Paladin - Me. (Amongst 3-4, 4 to lv10 Classes)
I've been racking my brain trying to wrap my head around that phrase. I can't figure it out. Is it like, you like something so much you continue doing it till it runs down your leg and into your sock? Do other people say this phrase? Am I too east coast to understand? I am sure I could google it, but like this game, some things you just need to work out on your own or with others facing the same struggle.
@@loveless131It’s an old EQ turn of phrase. There were mobs that had multiple hour (or day) respawn timers, and some of those even had placeholder mobs that could spawn instead. Even further, some had variable spawn windows, so you couldn’t just set a timer and come back. Because of all this, people would just stay in one place for days, not wanting to miss any possible chance of this rare monster spawning. The joke is that they’re pooping in socks because they can’t leave the keyboard to go to the bathroom and risk losing the camp.
Wait did splat mention poopsocking? idk if it was around back in 99-03 when Everquest shined the most, but it sure was around on p99 the first few years before kunark.
Oooohhhh, this has reminiscence of the old school MUDs - the fact that you have to /consider the mob. I wrote some code for one MUD I was running with a friend.
So their are a few issues with this games Development 1) They hired A programmer , he said their code was unsustainable. He would not work for them inless they rewrote everything. So they scrapped years of work and started over years in. 2) they also changed how the art style was ... so again .. after years of going one way .. they changed cause they could not afford to put it what they promised and watered it down to what it is now. 3) Brad died .. and yes this did make things harder for the company 4) ..they wasted type tryn too make A Extraction mode/event / thing .. to sale because they were low on funds ... I wanted this game so bad for so long .. But i have zero faith in this team .. None ... They could not pay me to put time in this game !
Video games are hard to make especially when your leader dies and theres a power vacuum. The nice thing is now they seem to have a path and a focus. Is it identical to what we originally saw, no but many games go through this its just far less public. For me personally considering ill still hop on Project Quarm here and there this is exactly what I want in an MMO if they can carry it over the finish line. Nothing else like this on the market today.
Didn't expect Splatty to touch on this game, didn't even know Splatty had been a old school EQ player, damn. Play Project Quarm myself these days. Have watched this project across the so very many years it's been in development. After alllll the many, many years this still has so-very-far to go.
The end had me laughing hard. Earlier on he was talking about grouping and camping and EXPing for hours and I thought of FFXI (which I am currently having a visit to thanks to the return campaign thing!) and well... Only the XI friend actually locked in, haha. I am looking forward to playing a full support (not specifically healer) class and crafting a ton in this game whenever it's closer to the end product! Cheers!
My thought on realism : a person, in that world, could draw a map and sell it. A player could therefore become a renowned cartographer. So while I think no free map to start can be a good design, why not allow players to create curated maps in-game? (with moderation) Otherwise, folks revert to using an Internet browser of course.
I played EQ for about 12 years starting it the month it came out. It was amazing. I wish I had a dollar for every time I read the phrase “Brad hates your class”. LoL
For a game with such a sad development past, I've being enjoying it quite a bit; even more than Ashes of Creation, which on paper has so much going for it. I really hope they can pull through.
@@manio22 It's been in development hell for 10 years or so now. The lead visionary that started the project died unexpectedly and things went sideways for a long time.
I am sorta in the middle ground. I was around for the old school, but some modern quality of life stuff is sorta non negotiable for me. I'll look again when it is in its final form though.
Yup, its been in development for a while now. And yes, they are trying to follow the coattails of the "classic MMOs of the olden days" which is a big no to me. Games evolved for a reason, and I ain't about to go back. Shit, while I have nostalgia for those old days I just don't want to relieve that pain and suffering, because that's exactly what it was. Everything took forever, everything was punishing, there was no respect for the player's time, everything had to be done in groups, looking back, it was just not good. The whole "social MMO" term, it was social because you literally had nothing else to do but BE social, you were constantly waiting on some bullshit so you talked to people while doing those things. Making and maintaining a group was a pain in the ass. I took those rose tinted glasses off a long time ago. I mean just look at vanilla WoW, that game had WAY more respect for your time than the likes of Everquest and FInal Fantasy XI, and I STILL won't go back to WoW Classic, been there done that, I was there at ground zero, I don't want to go back.
@@Otazihswill they cut off a lot of that originally I agree with you it was a bit too punishing but you're kind of wrong about the whole meeting people to group to be social because that is a real thing that does need exist in MMO and it does help MMO become what it is there's plenty of examples like City of heroes which you can now play for free. They managed to do it better without making it to punishing but a little bit on the shallow side.
Splatter - wish you had mentioned the 14+ years of development/cash infusion, only to now have a $40 EA game (did you pay for it btw, or get a free key?), that is running on Infinity and has VERY dated everything. No problem with old-school concepts or memories (go Enchanter!) (and RIP Brad), but this feels like they are drawing on our heartstrings to ignore the Emperor and his clothing choices. Blah - I like to think I'm one of the more positive peeps out there, so wishing all the best and hope people enjoy :)
Ahh the corpse run. My wife got booted while on the Everquest boat between Quenos and Freeport, her body was at the bottom of the ocean. There was something really different with EQ.
As I was watching I was thinking "Wow, can't wait til he shows off the races, be neat to see what they look like." But that moment never came ;( Good video regardless, I look forward to trying this when it's a bit further along!
Isn't it crazy? I've sunk so much of my spare time into MMO's. Started with DaoC. But now? Looking at this? It fills me with fear and dread. Why? It's just a job. When I think of all the time and effort - all I feel is fear and dread. Wow, I'm so surprised at my reaction to this video. 0:45 seconds in and NOPE! Guess my MMO days are over... But for all of you diving in? Have fun!
So, this is basically EverQuest with the serial numbers filed off. I enjoyed EQ when I played it, but, the current iterations of MMORPGs came about because they offered (overall) a lot more than EQ did. I have nostalgia for the group leveling experience, with your puller, tank, healer, and assorted others.
I wish I had time for a game like this again. I'll just live vicariously through TH-camrs. Maybe it will be around still when all my kids are out of the house and I've retired...
I really wanted to give this a try but there is less character customization than the original EQ. At least around mid-December. I'll keep an eye on it and hope they do more about that in later builds.
It always gets me how Splat pronounces "alt." It sounds more like how I would say "owl" plus a "t." You know "alt" is short for "alternate"? Does he say "owl-ternate"?
I was seriously looking forward to this game for years, but in it's current state I can't recommend it. I like most of the hardcore elements, but *No Map* is a big deal breaker. Especially if I have to find my corpse after death. Feels like a QoL feature that should exist no matter what era we are in. Pantheon requires a lot from you. More than most people are willing to give and even less who have time to do so. I want this game to succeed, but I can only see the player base being a group of people with no kids and/or are already retired, which will alienate a large portion of the player base. Which would be fine (the game doesn't have to appeal to everyone), but the kiss of death in any "social MMO" in the last 20 years has always been lack of players. I hope this game finds it's mark, gets way more content, and (hopefully) the Lead designer will acquiesce on 1 or 2 of the QoL features needed to reduce mental load.
a niche game. I have kids and lack tons of free time and im still excited for this but I would agree the thing they have to do is draw the eq emulator crowd or they will end up dead in the water. That being said nothing else exists that is this style of game other than EQ so theres not much competition for those of us who want this style of game. Also my guess is folks will mod the game to add a map or find ways to hack in QoL things and with a team this small theres no way they will be able to completely kill that from happening.
The last large MP game I played was a MUD, and tbh I kinda miss it. It had more depth than this, tho. It also had a player name approval system that would keep you from having to deal with children running around with names like “Doodoobutt”. That alone makes me want to keep my distance.
40euros for an early access niche as hell MMO and the dev's still don't know if there's going to be a sub at full release or not? I'll pass. I mean... I wouldn't buy an indie MMO these days anyways, but especially not for that much money, and this niche of a game. I know there's not much competition for these styles of MMO's but... is there a big enough market? I hope it does well and lives and becomes one of the greats, but the odds seem stacked against it.
I’ve played about every mmo of any significance since 1997 … this one feels really nice … I am 70 hours played time in … the combat is special so buttery smooth … 40 dollars is nothing for 2 years of getting to do this before release … I mean these 40 dollars is 3 lunches at McDonalds … this game is a breath of fresh of fresh air in mmo world compared to most of all the trash MMOs today on rails and super easy and all the cash shop crap …
lol I had to double check the upload date to make sure it wasn’t an upload from 2011 as a side video during splats Red Faction: Guerrilla let’s play series lmfao
When i consider a mmorpg, i only ask 1 question: Is the combat fun solo and in teamfights? (thats why i only play V Rising cuz most combat systems sucks lmao)
I wish MMO reviews had a little list of server locations because as an Australian we usually have terrible connections to servers outside our country and rarely get our own.
@@vforwombat9915 I wish that was the problem. All of our connections are copper and under the ocean. Do you know how well copper and salt water go together??
@@epimetheaus1214 "Do you know how well copper and salt water go together??" salt goes well w almost everything. "Do you know how well copper and salt water go together??" gosh, maybe they shoulda wrapped the wires in something. "Do you know how well copper and salt water go together??" i blame sharks.
Played this yesterday for about 8 hours and all i can say is Finally a MMO that actually Brought back the MM ..... tired of being able to solo 90% of a game thats supposed to be a group based genre
I've been playing ALOT of pantheon. They are on to something special. It's hard not to be optimistic considering there is still so much more improvement they can make.
So the immense (and obviously terribly utilized from this end product) dev time aside, a lot of the things he lists as 'positives' could easily come across as 'well, that would take effort to code, so let's list missing it as a feature'. Add on that a lot of it looks like asset flip junk, and I'm just not a fan, fam. Shame as Splat is inconsistent in his 'recommendations' between hidden gems and utter trash. This one falls more toward the latter than the former, unfortunately. Basically, its very basic, and I'm not basic enough to enjoy it, basically.
Im checking this game out and supporting it anyway way possible! Im only in my mid 20s so i missed these but i fell in love with SWGemu. Id only fall in love with this game more if they has dancers and doctors
I don't think this game is for me. All the quality of life that I can find in other MMORPGs is missing. No maps, no quest markers, no area looting, etc.
That’s the point of game except map part a cartography system will be added later but still not like handholding MMOs that lead you to every quest place etc … it’s a great of fresh air … there are auto play MMOs that you may like to check out as well
@@hystorix9031 I don't need that sort of handholding. I don't need markers on the map. I just like having a map to orient myself and not having to guess which NPC has quests. I can do without those things if the quest descriptions are thorough, but Splattercat said they're pretty vague.
I've been going hard on this too. Brings back the feel goods. Not a fan of the very limited level range of group members for xp gain cut off. It should be a minimum of 3 levels difference between group members to gain xp before level 10. Me and a friend were 2 levels off at level 5 and couldn't group because we weren't gaining xp together.
I really enjoyed EverQuest, even played Project 1999 to relive the classic experience. Pantheon is exciting, but I want to see how development pans out one year from now. If they make strides forward then I will buy in. If it appears that the project is spinning its tires in the mud, then my apprehension will have been worth it. Some anecdotes indicate that my tepidness isn't without merit. All that said, I'm happy to see that it has some excitement surrounding it; people eagerly buying in and playing.
I don't know...I already go back to old games I love kind of frequently like Ragnarok Online, what does this game offers so I drop my old MMO for this? Not much it seems.
Have my eye on this for years, although I'll probably see how early access progresses before deciding whether to hop in, I do hope it does well as I like the ideas the devs have at the very least.
This is one of those games that I probably won't touch. As much as I loved EQ, this dev team doesn't seem to have the ability to work quickly enough to actually ship the product. I've been following them for like a decade, and the game is barely playable. It's like the Project Zomboid of MMORPGs. It'll never actually be finished. I'm not sure why it's taking them so long to implement basic systems. So while I adore the concept they're going for, I gave up hope on this game like 2 or 3 years ago.
There’s a huge patch almost every month with a lot of content. They have the foundation of the game done and now they’re adding content and qol. We all lost hope in this game, but they’re delivering now soooo might want to check it out.
40 minutes of Splatty? Yes please. Great overview. I played a good amount of Sojourn back in the day, and I don’t mind the grind, but I don’t think i can accept being gated on ability slots. If i have an ability i want to be able to use it any time. Anything else sucks an amount of creativity out of the experience and breaks immersion toboot
I am surprised, because it looks a lot better (visually: graphics and UI) then what I remember, but I may be confusing my memories with other indy MMOs in development.
The other thing is that this game will appeal to women more than other games. #1. Social game(women are more social) #2. It’s not so reflex / fast twitch heavy. It’s more about strategy and tactics instead of how fast you can click.
i popped in to see if the bones of the game were good and should i be excited for it as development continues. I haven't been able to stop playing since. I hope it picks up steam because i think its potential is great.
I just got it. So much promise. The art style and smooth performance are a huge plus! Early game gripes after five hours are... Just a simple mini map or a dot on the compass to point out where my party is. I'm all good with smacking rats and such for hours. But starting as an 👹 , the starting area is so dark. It has potential. 40$ is a bit too much to ask at its current state
> "An entire guild sprung up on this server that's the postal service!"
That old mmo world charm. Love that stuff.
i wonder if this is the Pos'thal order
This game is dangerous. I login at 10pm after the kids are in bed, plan to play for 1-2 hours, then I look up and it's already 4am and work starts in 3 hours. 90 hours in and struggling to put this down and get my sleep schedule back in order.
what class you enjoy the most? I had an absolute joy playing enchanter in group earlier.
Haha, this
"This game is dangerous. "
ikr? i left it alone and it killed my cat.
@@vforwombat9915 RIP 🥺
@@killval849 I'm playing a DarkMyr Summoner which is way outside my comfort zone (I usually play a Wood Elf Druid or Ranger 99.9% of the time).
But to answer your question, the Summoner is just so flippin fun to me right now 😁 love everything about them AND I just got my level 12 spell "summon corpse" so I'm going around from bind stone to bind stone offering to summon people's corpses so they don't have to do a corpse run. I love utility classes and this fits my play style perfectly just helping out random strangers.
Welp, you sold me that I will likely absolutely love my time with Pantheon. I guess I'll be picking it up and spending the next couple days no lifing. The game is looking great.
I'd forgotten about this title until TheLazyPeon did a Let's Play video this week, and now Splatty is playing. As an EQ player turned WoW player I am interested.
If you like the old school EQ vibe and can handle a little bit of jank it's surprisingly fun! I've been no lifing it too since EA started a week ago.
East Commonland Tunnel forever! I actually played a bit of EQ a few weeks ago, lots of fun, still in noob area though.
Honestly, it's kinda sus how many people suddenly covering this game. Seems like an undisclosed sponsorship on some of the creators specially ones that don't usually cover them.
i have never purchased a game so quickly in my life. I miss this type of MMORPG
On the one hand, this seems interesting.
On the other: as an original EQ1 player, the name "Brad McQuaid" raises the hair on the back of my neck (and not in a good way).
In addition: "this is an old school game" is often cover for "we couldn't be arsed making a decent UI". This is currently the case (the UI is ass, eg the lack of level-sorting for spells at a vendor), so... we'll see.
This is currently CA$52. EQ2 is free. Anyone wanting old school jank doesn't need to pay to get it.
As a past EQ cleric and necromancer, I'm looking forward to this. I don't normally get early access but might have to make an exception.
If you forgot how much you died in the early days of EQ because you didn't know the world, Pantheon will remind you.
Surprised but very happy to see you playing this. They have a great foundation and very easy system to set and move mobs etc.
you and me both brother. just happened to have 2 weeks off too, good days.
Btw, I love how Splat is just explaining the game, and at 15:25 theres a random guy called 'Deadlyfarts' running along xD
Ah, EQnext. I've been watching this one for years. It's tempting, but I also know what I'm getting into. Again. I'm not sure I have the time anymore for this sort of game, but I'm glad one is being made. The nostalgia is strong, but I recall all too well the time investment. You know, just you and 71 of your closest friends on a nice 8 hour tour of the local raid dungeon.
These IN-WORLD dungeons without instancing or zone lines remind me a hell of a lot of Vanguard. It was made by the creator of EQ and eventually also purchased by Sony but this time to defund and kill the project so it didn't compete with EQ. Vanguard had a 20s level giant ant hill in the ground dungeon that you could eventually kill the prince and queen etc. at the bottom. Extremely fun and easy to get lost in. No in game map, just your game knowledge and experience as a guide for the next party. Fighting down for an hour to reach a camp where you farm Named spawns for a few more hours was a blast ... just living in their dungeon for a few hours while you harvest them for resources.
Sounds like you're referring to Brad McQuaid, who made this game, and who Splat mentioned at the start of the video. ;)
Great video! ..Just want to mention for those that want to know, lore is a thing in Pantheon, and will get implemented with time - Perception, Discover clues, dialogues, and outcomes that change based on your adventures and the choices you’ve made along the way. Hone your intuition to see the world in ways others cannot and unravel the mystery with the Perception System. And also iirc map will be implemented as well, but it will not have a GPS, it will be fog of war and hopefully other interesting features to it.
"implemented in time" idk how long that will be......
this is scam game, where dev just milk ppls with hope and sweet talk
@@krisnayosep7121 I don't know where you get that idea from, They patching regular and have pushing out new updates regular since January -24 ..But as it been said many times now, Pantheon rise of the Fallen isn't for everyone, and that is ok ..Just curious, how much content do they need to push out, for you to not call it a scam?
Yo, I too have lost my corpse on the bottom of the ocean between continents. This game looks sick.
Bro, I found my body 3 days later on this game on a cliff
If any of you are on Black Moon and need me to summon your corpse, send me a tell in game "Fishy". At level 12 we summoners can summon corpses and I'm constantly offering free help to anyone in need. Hmu
So it’s the Elite Dangerous of MMOs
I provided my support to this back in 2016, and it is nice to finally get in and play it. I like it, even though there are a few things I wish were different.
glad youre enjoying it too!!
I love this game and the artstyle.
still alot todo, but it gets better with every patch.
So glad to see this game getting some coverage, its bare bones atm. But its very solid bare bones, i've been having a blast with it.
Having a nostalgia blast in the game, cant wait to see what they do to evolve the specs. Since i started on day one I saw many map features and spell effects get updated, mob and pet stats get adjusted so they are definatly listening to the steam discussions and evolving.....still a long ways off release though.
I’m so glad you’ve been enjoying this, been waiting soo many years for Pantheon!
Whoa! Lovely coincidence, I've also been playing this recently and have been roping in IRL friends to help fill out parties and make grouping easier. It's a very fun and dangerous world to explore. I've been very impressed with what's already there, and looking forward to what they are cooking up in the coming years.
Dire Lord is a tank, it's basically a blood dk from wow, lots of shields and self healing through damage and they can't use shields
This was a very good in depth video on the game, that said. I wouldn't play it since it has two conflicting design elements. to echo what you said in the 3-4 min mark which hit the nail on the head.
"Successor to EQ" to me means. EQ but more solo friendly- similiar to what current EQ is now with mercs with some QOL attached. doesn't have to be major stuff, just small stuff like skill presets for easy swapping, It was re-inforced by 1. no overworld map and 2. crafting your own gear. but then you have elements of highly incentivized overworld grouping to clear spots for good resource nodes, various enemy camps etc.
i can only imagine the headache later on if the best way to level- or really the only way- was to group up to kill mobs like in EQ.
combine that with no overworld map , it will make it very difficult to sync up with people- especially if you are different races you might not even see each other naturally.
I mean there is a reason why the #1 most popular addon for EQ is a better, heavily detailed, map! so while i think its a nice idea to not have a map- its just kinda ironic they mention EQ without realizing that vast majority of EQ players used map addons cause the ingame map was traaaash and they didnt want to deal with it. this introduces a more hardcore mindset of players. which contradicts "Successor to EQ" since that would mean its basically EQ with a different coat of paint.
and the leave your stuff on death and have to find it again while also trying to not get stuck in a death cycle from mob with huge aggro ranges, can move faster then you, and have severe leash distances is a total trash mechanic. if they added some QOl to where you were idk immune/invisible to mobs until you get your stuff back then i would give it a try. the walk back and xp loss is fair enough.
There are auto play MMOs you might enjoy
10:37 That bridge looks straight out of Everquest 2. I have a screenshot of me standing there in EQ2 somewhere.
Some of the same devs made this game dude
Qeynos Gates
I had nearly 4 yrs where i lived in Norrath :) I played from when it launched through the first 3 expansions - and popped back to play for a few month several times years later.
Can you remember what server you were on splat?
If you decide to play this make sure you start in thronefast the same zone in this video. If you start in Wilds End the purple forest your going to find its really hard to get a grp above lvl 10 and making the walk to the other zone is near impossible. Also finding a class you like will be a big part of your enjoyment as they are very different. Typical group play is basically standing still in one location and someone pulling mobs to you and your generally fighting 6v1 against the mobs. Its very static. Having said that I got 4 mains :D
grp?
@@spatialdistortion223lol age showing
@@spatialdistortion223 group :)
lol, chest spawn! I know that place. Also, for early game, up to level 4 you don't drop your stuff when you die, so that's a prime time to do your exploring. That won't get you far in the higher level zones obviously, but like Thronefest you can get a good feel for the zone with little risk :)
Funny thing is, if you search the game it looked (MUCH) better 10 years ago.
I disagree. It had a more realistic style, and while some of the environments looked pretty cool, most of the character models were really bad.
I found the older graphics looked better in video but not in game. These new graphics look bad in video but good in game
Shaman main heals just fine. Shaman is a healer. The only Supports are Enchanter and Necro.
Edit: It is much faster on the majority of Classes to solo to 14 before soloing get's sparse over Grouping. 9 out of 10 times, grouping is much slower for various reasons. I can do most alts from 1-14 in about 5 hours. Also there is some truth behind waiting for parties. Being that I am on the upper end to what most are level wise (dependant on Class as well. Necros are in a rough spot) I have waited 7+ hours for a group. The game heavily atm relies on being in a Guild that groups together, or having a group of friends.
15 Summoner / 15 Necro / 16 Shaman / 11 Paladin - Me. (Amongst 3-4, 4 to lv10 Classes)
I was SHOCKED that the player named "DOODOOBUTT" wasn't Splat! :D
I saw a "deadlyfart" running by and thought, "If Splat is running past, who's playing the game" 😂
what server ya been on? Looking for people to do some dungeons
While the game looks interesting, I find it more interesting that "poop socking" is a phrase. Thanks for consistently having great videos. :)
I've been racking my brain trying to wrap my head around that phrase. I can't figure it out. Is it like, you like something so much you continue doing it till it runs down your leg and into your sock? Do other people say this phrase? Am I too east coast to understand?
I am sure I could google it, but like this game, some things you just need to work out on your own or with others facing the same struggle.
@@loveless131It’s an old EQ turn of phrase. There were mobs that had multiple hour (or day) respawn timers, and some of those even had placeholder mobs that could spawn instead. Even further, some had variable spawn windows, so you couldn’t just set a timer and come back. Because of all this, people would just stay in one place for days, not wanting to miss any possible chance of this rare monster spawning. The joke is that they’re pooping in socks because they can’t leave the keyboard to go to the bathroom and risk losing the camp.
@FableV Ah, I didn't play EQ. Thanks! That sounds awful haha.
Wait did splat mention poopsocking? idk if it was around back in 99-03 when Everquest shined the most, but it sure was around on p99 the first few years before kunark.
Oooohhhh, this has reminiscence of the old school MUDs - the fact that you have to /consider the mob.
I wrote some code for one MUD I was running with a friend.
So their are a few issues with this games Development 1) They hired A programmer , he said their code was unsustainable. He would not work for them inless they rewrote everything. So they scrapped years of work and started over years in. 2) they also changed how the art style was ... so again .. after years of going one way .. they changed cause they could not afford to put it what they promised and watered it down to what it is now. 3) Brad died .. and yes this did make things harder for the company 4) ..they wasted type tryn too make A Extraction mode/event / thing .. to sale because they were low on funds ... I wanted this game so bad for so long .. But i have zero faith in this team .. None ... They could not pay me to put time in this game !
Video games are hard to make especially when your leader dies and theres a power vacuum. The nice thing is now they seem to have a path and a focus. Is it identical to what we originally saw, no but many games go through this its just far less public.
For me personally considering ill still hop on Project Quarm here and there this is exactly what I want in an MMO if they can carry it over the finish line. Nothing else like this on the market today.
If you twitch steam this game other people will pay you play it.
Didn't expect Splatty to touch on this game, didn't even know Splatty had been a old school EQ player, damn. Play Project Quarm myself these days. Have watched this project across the so very many years it's been in development. After alllll the many, many years this still has so-very-far to go.
It looks really interesting, always like a hardcore RPG even if it's MMO
Pantheon is a lot of fun.
The end had me laughing hard. Earlier on he was talking about grouping and camping and EXPing for hours and I thought of FFXI (which I am currently having a visit to thanks to the return campaign thing!) and well... Only the XI friend actually locked in, haha.
I am looking forward to playing a full support (not specifically healer) class and crafting a ton in this game whenever it's closer to the end product! Cheers!
My thought on realism : a person, in that world, could draw a map and sell it. A player could therefore become a renowned cartographer. So while I think no free map to start can be a good design, why not allow players to create curated maps in-game? (with moderation) Otherwise, folks revert to using an Internet browser of course.
Where is Lum the Mad when we need him, lol
I played EQ for about 12 years starting it the month it came out. It was amazing. I wish I had a dollar for every time I read the phrase “Brad hates your class”. LoL
I'm definitely going to check this game out. It does remind me alot of OG EQ
For a game with such a sad development past, I've being enjoying it quite a bit; even more than Ashes of Creation, which on paper has so much going for it. I really hope they can pull through.
What happened?
@@manio22 It's been in development hell for 10 years or so now. The lead visionary that started the project died unexpectedly and things went sideways for a long time.
100% not interested in MMOs, but it's a Splat video, so it gets a watch and a like all the same.
I am sorta in the middle ground. I was around for the old school, but some modern quality of life stuff is sorta non negotiable for me. I'll look again when it is in its final form though.
First. This game has been in development for a LONG TIME. As far as I can remember it was meant to be a spiritual successor to Everquest?
It has been it's the main reason I won't purchase it tbh. Such a long development time and so little to show feels like a red flag to me.
Yeah in a way, more of a EQ redo for modern times
Yup, its been in development for a while now. And yes, they are trying to follow the coattails of the "classic MMOs of the olden days" which is a big no to me. Games evolved for a reason, and I ain't about to go back. Shit, while I have nostalgia for those old days I just don't want to relieve that pain and suffering, because that's exactly what it was. Everything took forever, everything was punishing, there was no respect for the player's time, everything had to be done in groups, looking back, it was just not good.
The whole "social MMO" term, it was social because you literally had nothing else to do but BE social, you were constantly waiting on some bullshit so you talked to people while doing those things. Making and maintaining a group was a pain in the ass. I took those rose tinted glasses off a long time ago. I mean just look at vanilla WoW, that game had WAY more respect for your time than the likes of Everquest and FInal Fantasy XI, and I STILL won't go back to WoW Classic, been there done that, I was there at ground zero, I don't want to go back.
@@Otazihswill they cut off a lot of that originally I agree with you it was a bit too punishing but you're kind of wrong about the whole meeting people to group to be social because that is a real thing that does need exist in MMO and it does help MMO become what it is there's plenty of examples like City of heroes which you can now play for free. They managed to do it better without making it to punishing but a little bit on the shallow side.
I liked guild wars way more than wow. A lot of reasons but one being no monthly sub in addition to full price purchase. @Otazihs
Dude! They finished it!
I was one of the few people to play EQOA on the PS2, I was so psyched when Brad announced the development of Pantheon.
Splatter - wish you had mentioned the 14+ years of development/cash infusion, only to now have a $40 EA game (did you pay for it btw, or get a free key?), that is running on Infinity and has VERY dated everything. No problem with old-school concepts or memories (go Enchanter!) (and RIP Brad), but this feels like they are drawing on our heartstrings to ignore the Emperor and his clothing choices.
Blah - I like to think I'm one of the more positive peeps out there, so wishing all the best and hope people enjoy :)
EQ and DAoC were staples.... =))
Ahh the corpse run. My wife got booted while on the Everquest boat between Quenos and Freeport, her body was at the bottom of the ocean. There was something really different with EQ.
It's just 20 years too late and it shows.
As I was watching I was thinking "Wow, can't wait til he shows off the races, be neat to see what they look like." But that moment never came ;(
Good video regardless, I look forward to trying this when it's a bit further along!
Isn't it crazy? I've sunk so much of my spare time into MMO's. Started with DaoC. But now? Looking at this? It fills me with fear and dread. Why? It's just a job. When I think of all the time and effort - all I feel is fear and dread. Wow, I'm so surprised at my reaction to this video. 0:45 seconds in and NOPE! Guess my MMO days are over... But for all of you diving in? Have fun!
So, this is basically EverQuest with the serial numbers filed off.
I enjoyed EQ when I played it, but, the current iterations of MMORPGs came about because they offered (overall) a lot more than EQ did. I have nostalgia for the group leveling experience, with your puller, tank, healer, and assorted others.
I wish I had time for a game like this again. I'll just live vicariously through TH-camrs. Maybe it will be around still when all my kids are out of the house and I've retired...
If you enjoyed this, you should check out Project Gorgon.
The dungeons sound like DAoC dungeons. I'm tempted to play but also scared I might get too into it. Thanks for the excellent review Mr. Splat!
I really wanted to give this a try but there is less character customization than the original EQ. At least around mid-December. I'll keep an eye on it and hope they do more about that in later builds.
Char customization is place holder … I would not let it make you miss the uncut gem this is though
It always gets me how Splat pronounces "alt." It sounds more like how I would say "owl" plus a "t." You know "alt" is short for "alternate"? Does he say "owl-ternate"?
I was seriously looking forward to this game for years, but in it's current state I can't recommend it. I like most of the hardcore elements, but *No Map* is a big deal breaker. Especially if I have to find my corpse after death. Feels like a QoL feature that should exist no matter what era we are in.
Pantheon requires a lot from you. More than most people are willing to give and even less who have time to do so. I want this game to succeed, but I can only see the player base being a group of people with no kids and/or are already retired, which will alienate a large portion of the player base. Which would be fine (the game doesn't have to appeal to everyone), but the kiss of death in any "social MMO" in the last 20 years has always been lack of players.
I hope this game finds it's mark, gets way more content, and (hopefully) the Lead designer will acquiesce on 1 or 2 of the QoL features needed to reduce mental load.
a niche game. I have kids and lack tons of free time and im still excited for this but I would agree the thing they have to do is draw the eq emulator crowd or they will end up dead in the water. That being said nothing else exists that is this style of game other than EQ so theres not much competition for those of us who want this style of game.
Also my guess is folks will mod the game to add a map or find ways to hack in QoL things and with a team this small theres no way they will be able to completely kill that from happening.
why u didnt show the races O_o
The last large MP game I played was a MUD, and tbh I kinda miss it. It had more depth than this, tho. It also had a player name approval system that would keep you from having to deal with children running around with names like “Doodoobutt”. That alone makes me want to keep my distance.
Majormudd was best
It's come a long way.
Spotted me @ 15:29! Weeee
Bought the game, started as a monk. Wondering what server your on..
40euros for an early access niche as hell MMO and the dev's still don't know if there's going to be a sub at full release or not? I'll pass.
I mean... I wouldn't buy an indie MMO these days anyways, but especially not for that much money, and this niche of a game. I know there's not much competition for these styles of MMO's but... is there a big enough market?
I hope it does well and lives and becomes one of the greats, but the odds seem stacked against it.
I’ve played about every mmo of any significance since 1997 … this one feels really nice … I am 70 hours played time in … the combat is special so buttery smooth … 40 dollars is nothing for 2 years of getting to do this before release … I mean these 40 dollars is 3 lunches at McDonalds … this game is a breath of fresh of fresh air in mmo world compared to most of all the trash MMOs today on rails and super easy and all the cash shop crap …
So do one leve up all or do all get it if one kill that monster
lol I had to double check the upload date to make sure it wasn’t an upload from 2011 as a side video during splats Red Faction: Guerrilla let’s play series lmfao
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When i consider a mmorpg, i only ask 1 question:
Is the combat fun solo and in teamfights? (thats why i only play V Rising cuz most combat systems sucks lmao)
I wish MMO reviews had a little list of server locations because as an Australian we usually have terrible connections to servers outside our country and rarely get our own.
" we usually have terrible connections to servers outside our country"
that's because all your connector ports are upside down.
@@vforwombat9915 I wish that was the problem. All of our connections are copper and under the ocean.
Do you know how well copper and salt water go together??
@@epimetheaus1214 "Do you know how well copper and salt water go together??"
salt goes well w almost everything.
"Do you know how well copper and salt water go together??"
gosh, maybe they shoulda wrapped the wires in something.
"Do you know how well copper and salt water go together??"
i blame sharks.
Played this yesterday for about 8 hours and all i can say is Finally a MMO that actually Brought back the MM ..... tired of being able to solo 90% of a game thats supposed to be a group based genre
The character creator has only been online for a couple of months now, it's gonna take them some time to diversify the options.
I've been playing ALOT of pantheon. They are on to something special. It's hard not to be optimistic considering there is still so much more improvement they can make.
So the immense (and obviously terribly utilized from this end product) dev time aside, a lot of the things he lists as 'positives' could easily come across as 'well, that would take effort to code, so let's list missing it as a feature'. Add on that a lot of it looks like asset flip junk, and I'm just not a fan, fam. Shame as Splat is inconsistent in his 'recommendations' between hidden gems and utter trash. This one falls more toward the latter than the former, unfortunately.
Basically, its very basic, and I'm not basic enough to enjoy it, basically.
its the necromancer that can summon player corpses
Im checking this game out and supporting it anyway way possible! Im only in my mid 20s so i missed these but i fell in love with SWGemu. Id only fall in love with this game more if they has dancers and doctors
what server are you on? it seems like a guild among your followers would do well
It's a really great game. I think you may like Monsters and Memories even more Splat.
I don't think this game is for me. All the quality of life that I can find in other MMORPGs is missing. No maps, no quest markers, no area looting, etc.
That’s the point of game except map part a cartography system will be added later but still not like handholding MMOs that lead you to every quest place etc … it’s a great of fresh air … there are auto play MMOs that you may like to check out as well
@@hystorix9031 I don't need that sort of handholding. I don't need markers on the map. I just like having a map to orient myself and not having to guess which NPC has quests. I can do without those things if the quest descriptions are thorough, but Splattercat said they're pretty vague.
Quests aren’t your main source of exp. You don’t even need to touch them if you don’t want to. Grouping and doing pve is the main focus in this game.
I've been going hard on this too. Brings back the feel goods. Not a fan of the very limited level range of group members for xp gain cut off. It should be a minimum of 3 levels difference between group members to gain xp before level 10. Me and a friend were 2 levels off at level 5 and couldn't group because we weren't gaining xp together.
I really enjoyed EverQuest, even played Project 1999 to relive the classic experience. Pantheon is exciting, but I want to see how development pans out one year from now. If they make strides forward then I will buy in. If it appears that the project is spinning its tires in the mud, then my apprehension will have been worth it. Some anecdotes indicate that my tepidness isn't without merit.
All that said, I'm happy to see that it has some excitement surrounding it; people eagerly buying in and playing.
Brad M used to be the King of Grind. Let's see if that has changed. Thanks, Splattercat.
I think I would play the original EQ.
I don't know...I already go back to old games I love kind of frequently like Ragnarok Online, what does this game offers so I drop my old MMO for this? Not much it seems.
Have my eye on this for years, although I'll probably see how early access progresses before deciding whether to hop in, I do hope it does well as I like the ideas the devs have at the very least.
Did you play EQ or EQII? I'm Phalanx from the Phalanxia Guild in EQII.
Get thee behind me Splatty!
I lost over a decade to MMORPG's.
I was a huge fan of Outward. Prep is a large part of adventuring!
Maybe after I get my ranger to endgame on project 1999 green I will check this out. Looks great. Rip Brad.
This is one of those games that I probably won't touch. As much as I loved EQ, this dev team doesn't seem to have the ability to work quickly enough to actually ship the product. I've been following them for like a decade, and the game is barely playable. It's like the Project Zomboid of MMORPGs. It'll never actually be finished. I'm not sure why it's taking them so long to implement basic systems. So while I adore the concept they're going for, I gave up hope on this game like 2 or 3 years ago.
There’s a huge patch almost every month with a lot of content. They have the foundation of the game done and now they’re adding content and qol. We all lost hope in this game, but they’re delivering now soooo might want to check it out.
40 minutes of Splatty? Yes please. Great overview. I played a good amount of Sojourn back in the day, and I don’t mind the grind, but I don’t think i can accept being gated on ability slots. If i have an ability i want to be able to use it any time. Anything else sucks an amount of creativity out of the experience and breaks immersion toboot
I am surprised, because it looks a lot better (visually: graphics and UI) then what I remember, but I may be confusing my memories with other indy MMOs in development.
Good review, I concur.
This gives me such a strong deja vu fro Dark Age of Camelot.
Have a great 2025 for you and your family from Moultrie, GA.
The other thing is that this game will appeal to women more than other games.
#1. Social game(women are more social)
#2. It’s not so reflex / fast twitch heavy. It’s more about strategy and tactics instead of how fast you can click.
i popped in to see if the bones of the game were good and should i be excited for it as development continues. I haven't been able to stop playing since. I hope it picks up steam because i think its potential is great.
I just got it. So much promise. The art style and smooth performance are a huge plus! Early game gripes after five hours are... Just a simple mini map or a dot on the compass to point out where my party is. I'm all good with smacking rats and such for hours. But starting as an 👹 , the starting area is so dark. It has potential. 40$ is a bit too much to ask at its current state
While there's no map, there are arrows on your party to show which direction they are
looks barebones and soulless.
Is there a /heading or navigation aid or any kind? It would be cool if they added a cartography skill.
There’s a compass at the top of the screen
Is this a new game? It looks like its 20 years old
Fist announced in 2014
Indie
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