Super break does stack. You can see in the showcases 3 separate instances of super break from Firefly, Fugue and HMC. It's just that Fugue's base kit is undertuned and has low multipliers. HMC has a 1.6x boost to super break dmg, while Fugue's is at 1x. She's not contributing much toughness damage, her def shred is only 18% and her BE buff is less than HMC's. Exo toughness is nice, but that alone doesn't make up for the low multipliers.
Thank you, after making the video I found a video only using fugue and I realized it’s just that her superbreak numbers are low. Hope they rework her well in the future versions
@@_Gabimaruin general exo-break is pretty strong and can usually win out, but not always enough to be worth a whole new character. TY’s major issue is that aside from def shred and exo-break everything about them is a very noticeable downgrade from HMC. And you WILL feel that in gameplay, and it WILL feel pretty bad. Like she can be worse at one or two things, but not by this much lol. Worse dps, worse sbe, worse BE% buff, worse ult and no DDD without e2 is way too much of a downgrade for a potential 160ish pulls. The good news is that she doesn’t actually need a significant overhaul in order to get her kit working.
@@_Gabimaru rn shes much better for boothill sustainless, her buffs are single target and can double break with sunday or bronya. Boothill doesnt need hmc or lingsha but firefly or superbreak teams in general need them boothill is a break hypercarry.
@@_Gabimaru I think her SB multiplier and Def shred will get buffed in V3-5 to be at least as good as TB and Pela. Her ult is really weak for a nihility character so maybe there's some potential there as well. Besides there's a high chance that TB gets a new form that will be part of the new META(summon?) once we get to 3.n, so if TB has to move on, Fugue will fill in a spot on the SB team. Some people saying we don't need sustain on the break team but bosses may get tougher in the future. Some also considering double DPS with FF and Rappa/Boothill or even Himeko. Fun ideas.
So funny how people praising Fugue because her super break buff lasts permanently. When I heard that I’m like, whaaaat? What’s so cool about that? I’ve never seen my HTB’s buff at downtime, the only time it’ll be is at the beginning of a battle, which is fine, I need to break the enemies first anyways
Bro I swear 90%+ of commenters do not play this game. HMC has easy perma uptime (they need to), anyone who thought the talent was crazy was just dented.
the one who feels that is using Memories of the past R1 and BE rope mostly, because if they only know that HMC need stacking BE over reliable ult that often 😂 especially his Tech / Eidolon that hive Him 30% ER at start of Cycle that really baby sitting most people.
When you go into new battles. Having to use Harmony MC's ult every time to do any damage is extremely annoying. And you need to speed tune Harmony MC in such a way that he can get his Ult before Firefly. It might not be the case for you but many people including me have very well experienced Harmony MC's ultimate running out. So getting rid of this unnecessary requirement is just really nice in general. And you shouldn't even be complaining at all
@@Scorpio9580 first of all, not complaining (and I don’t even know where you get that from). Secondly, by the look of it, Fugue will need extremely high speed, or she will need to live up to her name, Tankyun to get enough energy for her ult or you will only be able to use it once per battle. Thirdly, idk, if you use other characters (Boothill, Rappa) I guess? But you need to deplete the enemies’s toughness bar anyways, you can probably have enough energy for your TB to use their ult, unless they are abyssmal slow like 120 spd, then that’s your account issue, you haven’t invested enough for them. With FF tho, unless there are no small enemies, my Gallagher ult and basic attack follow up with a normal skill from FF is enough for my HTB to use their ult (yes even with Break eff rope, I do have a R1 Memories tho)
Fixing Fugue: 1. Ult: Put the 50% weakness break effect from her E1 on her ult as a debuff. 2. E1: Give her +5 energy regen whenever a enemy gets broke. (first part of E2) 3. E2: Remove ER part, If the Ally with [Foxian Prayer] breaks an enemy they immediately get action advanced by 100%. This would make the ult worth 150 energy + make the E1, E2 good QoLs for people that want her to be great. Ult would make replacing Ruan Mei viable. I think the E2 is fair cuz instead of a teamwide 24% it's a single character 100%.
1. 2.0 ruan mei its completely broken (most people who run break dps already has ruan mei) If that happen, there is no point play crit dps, the game will become BREAK IMPACT. 2. Less value than before, but i think give allies extra ress pen,spd or break effect is kinda good. 3. If that happen firefly value become skyrocket and what i say about number 1 that break dps powercreept every single crit dps. Conclution; I think the biggest problem with fugue that she cant completely replace hmc, That the reason why people trying so hard to make her as ruan mei subtitute. Hmc can run DDD lc(S5 DDD is equal to fugue e2). Hmc superbreak deal dmg extra dmg depend on enemy number Hmc e4 provide huge break effect on allies. Hmc has no energy issue aslong you deal weakness broken to enemy, this also the reason why player want fugue to be ruan mei subtitute. Ruan mei+hmc is better than e0 fugue . E1 fugue probably can replace ruan mei but not sure, since 25%ress pen is prety op for break dps.
From what I've seen, SB stacks, however, the issue lies in her numbers as TB still provides the best value for SB percentage as a whole. I believe she'll eventually get some more buffs, because I highly doubt they'll sell us Fugue who's basically looking like a weaker HMC SB numbers-wise, which is a free unit. Her ult should be okay, even without any debuff just for doing toughness damage, however, the 20% toughness damage for 150 energy feels so weak. Hopefully they could do two things with her ult, namely add a special debuff bonus (probably that will increase break damage on enemies) or just straight up decrease the energy cost because 150 is way too much. I'm confident the other parts of her kit will be buffed, numbers-wise since we're still at V1. This also happened to Lingsha who had some many changes in her version since her first issue lied to having too much toughness damage, then it was nerfed to balance it out but it became too weak, but then it was tweaked again at V5 to be increased.
The problem is they’re balancing Fugue offer E2, which turns her ultimate into a buff that advance forward her team basically DDD on a eidolon and on top of that Fugue herself doesn’t really do a lot of damage from what I seen.
Units that can take advantage of exo toughness are gonna put Fugue under the brightest light. Boothill does a truck ton of standard break damage being a physical dps and also gets his stacks faster. If you wanna know how exo toughness effects Rappa just read her talent. RM provides res pen and gets to break whenever anyone else breaks so thats double the break on your already doubled break. I think FF gains comparatively less from exo toughness outside E2. The other biggest factor is how much you've invested in E1s and how good your relics are. The more E1s you have across your other break units the more impactful Fugue's debuff is and the more break effect you have managed to farm on your relics and LC the less impactful the break effect is that you are losing from dropping HMC I think the reason you thought superbreak isnt stacking is with Fugue its probably getting to the point of oversaturation. With HMC, Fugue, and FF combined thats 310% superbreak when theres only one enemy.
Chill, don't take leaks too seriously specially if its still at V1 beta version, you can start to think about it when it reach V3-V4 because at that phase most likely the number is already fixed only text wording changes happen usually..
I think her SB multiplier and Def shred will get buffed in V3-5 to be at least as good as TB and Pela. Her ult is really weak for a nihility character so maybe there's some potential there as well. Besides there's a high chance that TB gets a new form that will be part of the new META(summon?) once we get to 3.n, so if TB has to move on, Fugue will fill in a spot on the SB team.
Man, there's a lot of really dented comments. Fugue is for Firefly, the reason she is Nihility is to create a window where she's usable on Acheron teams for people who don't like Husbandos. As for her power level, it's too low for sure. She has some incredible synergy with helping Rappa have perma ult uptime due to Exo-Toughness but otherwise she's disappointing in just about every team she fits in. Fugues ult is terrible though, it deals bad damage compared to really any other break team member, has no additional utility out of the omni-break (Which is nearly useless in FF teams) and if you go for Fugues E2 to have the "free" DDD you end up AV'ing your team less than Harmony TB as Fugues ult costs more energy and she regains less from enemies being broken. Beyond that she needs to have Eff Hit when no other breaker needs that stat which means she's just more annoying to build than the average break unit and realistically a lot of people probably were nuking their Eff Hit Rate Break pieces up until recently when we found out she'd be Nihility. She's going to be "good" just like every other new unit is "good", but if she doesn't receive buffs to her Ult frequency and either damage or other effects added and some level of buff to her E2 she's going to be mediocre af. In fact, going further than that, there'll likely be clears that Harmony TB with DDD can get that she won't be able to create.
Yeah I was super excited when she was leaked but now she's obviously a huge downgrade. - HTB has 120 / 130 / 140 / 150 / 160% Super Break depending on how many enemies are on field; Fugue only has 100% Super Break. - HTB increases Break Effect for the WHOLE team by 33% after using Ultimate; Fugue only increases BE by 40% to a SINGLE ally and her Ultimate doesn't buff anything. - HTB shares 15% of their BE with the whole team; Fugue increases BE for the whole team by 15%, per weakness broken enemy, stacking up to only 2 times (30% increase for 2 weakness broken enemies or more) - HTB can use the Watchmaker's relic set, which increases the whole team's Break Effect by a whopping 30% after using Ultimate; Fugue's BiS relic set only buffs herself, which is useless since she's not a DPS and doesn't share her own BE with the team. She's a HTB sidegrade at BEST, and somewhat of a downgrade at worst. It baffles me how Mihoyo made a limited 5 star worse than a free character. I seriously hope they rework her a lot in v2, v3, v4 and v5, otherwise she won't be worth the 160 pulls + money spent to acquire Eidolons and Light Cone. A 200% Super Break in her Talent instead of only 100%, at the very least, would already make her worth it, considering the free HTB has a 160% Super break.
From what I've seen her numbers are just low, she does stack an everything. It's V1 so she'll probably get a buff. If not, she's a skip. Hoping they put her e1 into her base kit aswell. Funny enough for Boothill she's amazing.
Super break does stack. It’s just that current Fugue is a little lack luster right now since its beta. Currently, she’s not even worth replacing Harmony Trailblazer. Their multiplayer is around 1.6x where’s Fugue’s is around 1x if i remember correctly. But she’s most likely going to get buffed a lot in later versions so don’t worry about it. And there has been showcases with Lingsha btw. But it’s still pretty lackluster even with her
I feel like hoyo is being too conservative with fugue. Her kit is a bit too weak. She's supposed to be HMC replacement but offers less than him which sucks honestly.
But that's just pure speculation from the community after seeing Super Break in her kit (without actually doing the math). It's apparent that she was never HMC replacement.
i pulled for lingsha and luckily got 2 copies of her in one 10 pull honestly she with the amount of damage she does sometimes i forget she’s literally a sustain
You know that Sunday is made specifically so we all have to pull for further 5 star characters with entirely new mechanics and entirely new composition right? he is useless now, but if you really want to pull for Sunday, you are almost guaranteed to have to pull for whatever new team comp Hoyo is planning next, which mean you'll have to invest further on pulls for probably 3 more 5 star characters to make that said team comp work. I kinda have enough of these FOMO bullshit Hoyo does all the time, Im done pulling for new characters and is now just trying to perfect my current team comp (Firefly and Feixiao). Similarly if you already have Acheron/Feixiao/Firefly team comp then I wouldnt really advice you to invest on another whole new team comp over perfecting your current one, even if you really like that character it wouldnt mean anything if he'll just permanently sit there doing nothing since no chars benefit his kit, unless, like I said, if youre willing to invest to 3 more future characters specifically to make his kit work, which again is what Hoyo is trying to do.
@@mediumsurmoon6283I feel the same. This HSR Fomo to build an Archetype team is geting annoying. The problem is that some characters can go from mid to broken with the right team and only that team. I also got Feixiao/Acheron/Firefly team. I only need Aventurine and Fugue to complete my teams. Feixiao already got Robin and Topaz and Acheron got Jiaoqui ,Firefly got Ruan Mei and Lingsha. After Aventurine and Fugue I am not planing to pull for a while unless they drop a Dot sustain or Nihility de/buffer for Acheron.
Fugue's value doesnt lie in the fact of helping firefly do more numbers you are forgetting the fact she is not a harmony she is nihilty and she debuffs enemies not in a way that help you do even bigger numbers but by delaying them so that there are more instances of break and superbreak dmg....the big numbers role is for the harmony people in a break team ...fugue's most stand out feature is exo toughness (which we all have seen is really broken for firefly and break teams in general) and delaying weakness broken enemies....and not to mention in the leaked showcases she is at E0S0...if you get her lightcone enemies will receive 40% more break dmg just like that and if you manage to get her to E2 she will give weakeness break efficiency and her ultimate will regen energy after weakness break and also action advance the whole team....I mean if you use rm, htb and fugue in one team enemies are gonna be delayed till the cretaceous period along with having another weakness bar which can be broken for more dmg...to summarise fugue helps doing more dmg by doing more instances of more dmg not by one instance of big dmg
the problem is if its need E1 or even E2 just for barelly over HMC and at E0S1 is same as HMC then that character is doom, better pulling Lingshia that have better comfy and also great dmg in super break
I've been running Jiaoqiu (LC Resolution Shines As Pearls of Sweat for Def Red.) and It's really fun with Boothill and Firefly. But if I add Fugue than I'd have to get rid of Jiaoqiu. I guess as a Boothill main I should wish for Fugue but daaamn I want Sunday so baaad 😭 I got Lingsha recently so I'm at 40 warps like jezuz Idk if I can get her, too.
Fugue is alternative of Rappa. Because FF need toughness reduction. To deal more damage the same with Boothill. Fugue is more comparable for lingsha team. But if you dont like using sustain Rappa is for you. People still dont understand Ruan mei is not changeable character. Like Robin she shine like main star. Like kafka. Just look at it how rare is spot her. Aventurine were beaten by Lingsha so fast. But is that mean he is ussless? hell nah.
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It's not too early. We need to voice our disappointment now and make our voices reach Mihoyo so they feel motivated to buff her kit throughout the Beta. Player feedback is exactly how they "cook"
@nunorodrigues320 its the early stages of the beta, so yes, it is too early. The characters always go through multiple iterations, people voicing their disappointment with a character in the first version of their beta is like complaining about how a burger looks while its still cooking and being seasoned. Every character goes through multiple different stages before being released, you complaining has no bearings on it. People doomposted jiaoqiu into the floor and they changed nothing, nerfed him further and further and released him, turned out he was good anyways.
@@dplayer2693 That's a really bad analogy. A closer analogy would be telling the cook you don't want pickles on your burger BEFORE they start cooking it. You don't tell them you don't want pickles after the burger has already been served. The beta is precisely the time to tell the devs the changes you want made to the character. You can't complain about their kit after the character is already out and released. By then it'll already be too late.
@nunorodrigues320 We all know they change the characters multiple times in development. If feedback was what dictated how they buffed/nerfed during development, then jiaoqiu would've gotten significant buffs prior to release bc players were absolutely fuming and doomposting him heavily. Complaining about the earliest iteration of the character while knowing they plan on changing things before release, bc they always do, is jumping the gun quite a bit. You can voice your disappointment with the current version of a units kit, but you also have to recognize that the devs are going to change the kit based on what they feel is right. Not what the players feel is right, especially when we're technically not even supposed to see them bc again, they're still being made and adjusted. Feixiao got altered in several ways players didn't want, came out broken. Jiaoqiu got nerfed heavily despite players wanting him buffed and actively doomposting him, came out great. Lingsha, prior to release, was just a gallagher clone, barely better and not worth pulling. They changed nothing despite this feedback from players. Came out great. It is, in fact, too early to be worried about how the character is going to turn out when it's at its absolute earliest stages.
Fugue is kinda weird. Mihoyo make her as nihility so she cant abuse DDD lc, in return mihoyo give her E2 S5DDD effect, that prety much greedy😂. Fugue EXO toughness is OP that allow your dps to deal extra break dmg, as for rappa give energy and charge, for hmc its give energy, that the reason why people want fugue replace ruan mei , Although you cant ignore ruan mei 25%ress pen 10%spd boost and aoe weakness break efficiency buff. I think its problematic for e0 fugue to replace hmc or ruan mei. But if you force me to choose then hmc need to go, bye bye S5 DDD😢 And again MIHOYO is so greedy lately😂
Super break does stack. You can see in the showcases 3 separate instances of super break from Firefly, Fugue and HMC. It's just that Fugue's base kit is undertuned and has low multipliers. HMC has a 1.6x boost to super break dmg, while Fugue's is at 1x. She's not contributing much toughness damage, her def shred is only 18% and her BE buff is less than HMC's. Exo toughness is nice, but that alone doesn't make up for the low multipliers.
Thank you, after making the video I found a video only using fugue and I realized it’s just that her superbreak numbers are low. Hope they rework her well in the future versions
@@_Gabimaruin general exo-break is pretty strong and can usually win out, but not always enough to be worth a whole new character.
TY’s major issue is that aside from def shred and exo-break everything about them is a very noticeable downgrade from HMC.
And you WILL feel that in gameplay, and it WILL feel pretty bad.
Like she can be worse at one or two things, but not by this much lol. Worse dps, worse sbe, worse BE% buff, worse ult and no DDD without e2 is way too much of a downgrade for a potential 160ish pulls.
The good news is that she doesn’t actually need a significant overhaul in order to get her kit working.
@@_Gabimaru rn shes much better for boothill sustainless, her buffs are single target and can double break with sunday or bronya. Boothill doesnt need hmc or lingsha but firefly or superbreak teams in general need them boothill is a break hypercarry.
@@_Gabimaru I think her SB multiplier and Def shred will get buffed in V3-5 to be at least as good as TB and Pela. Her ult is really weak for a nihility character so maybe there's some potential there as well. Besides there's a high chance that TB gets a new form that will be part of the new META(summon?) once we get to 3.n, so if TB has to move on, Fugue will fill in a spot on the SB team. Some people saying we don't need sustain on the break team but bosses may get tougher in the future. Some also considering double DPS with FF and Rappa/Boothill or even Himeko. Fun ideas.
what is the superbreak multiplier of Firefly herself ?
So funny how people praising Fugue because her super break buff lasts permanently. When I heard that I’m like, whaaaat? What’s so cool about that? I’ve never seen my HTB’s buff at downtime, the only time it’ll be is at the beginning of a battle, which is fine, I need to break the enemies first anyways
Bro I swear 90%+ of commenters do not play this game. HMC has easy perma uptime (they need to), anyone who thought the talent was crazy was just dented.
the one who feels that is using Memories of the past R1 and BE rope mostly, because if they only know that HMC need stacking BE over reliable ult that often 😂 especially his Tech / Eidolon that hive Him 30% ER at start of Cycle that really baby sitting most people.
@@Kindi001 I use Memories of the past and a break effect rope and I’ve never seen her/him at downtime with the buff (especially with firefly)
When you go into new battles. Having to use Harmony MC's ult every time to do any damage is extremely annoying. And you need to speed tune Harmony MC in such a way that he can get his Ult before Firefly. It might not be the case for you but many people including me have very well experienced Harmony MC's ultimate running out. So getting rid of this unnecessary requirement is just really nice in general. And you shouldn't even be complaining at all
@@Scorpio9580 first of all, not complaining (and I don’t even know where you get that from).
Secondly, by the look of it, Fugue will need extremely high speed, or she will need to live up to her name, Tankyun to get enough energy for her ult or you will only be able to use it once per battle.
Thirdly, idk, if you use other characters (Boothill, Rappa) I guess? But you need to deplete the enemies’s toughness bar anyways, you can probably have enough energy for your TB to use their ult, unless they are abyssmal slow like 120 spd, then that’s your account issue, you haven’t invested enough for them. With FF tho, unless there are no small enemies, my Gallagher ult and basic attack follow up with a normal skill from FF is enough for my HTB to use their ult (yes even with Break eff rope, I do have a R1 Memories tho)
Fixing Fugue:
1. Ult: Put the 50% weakness break effect from her E1 on her ult as a debuff.
2. E1: Give her +5 energy regen whenever a enemy gets broke. (first part of E2)
3. E2: Remove ER part, If the Ally with [Foxian Prayer] breaks an enemy they immediately get action advanced by 100%.
This would make the ult worth 150 energy + make the E1, E2 good QoLs for people that want her to be great. Ult would make replacing Ruan Mei viable. I think the E2 is fair cuz instead of a teamwide 24% it's a single character 100%.
1. 2.0 ruan mei its completely broken
(most people who run break dps already has ruan mei)
If that happen, there is no point play crit dps, the game will become BREAK IMPACT.
2. Less value than before, but i think give allies extra ress pen,spd or break effect is kinda good.
3. If that happen firefly value become skyrocket and what i say about number 1 that break dps powercreept every single crit dps.
Conclution;
I think the biggest problem with fugue that she cant completely replace hmc,
That the reason why people trying so hard to make her as ruan mei subtitute.
Hmc can run DDD lc(S5 DDD is equal to fugue e2).
Hmc superbreak deal dmg extra dmg depend on enemy number
Hmc e4 provide huge break effect on allies.
Hmc has no energy issue aslong you deal weakness broken to enemy, this also the reason why player want fugue to be ruan mei subtitute.
Ruan mei+hmc is better than e0 fugue .
E1 fugue probably can replace ruan mei but not sure, since 25%ress pen is prety op for break dps.
Fugue needs to have her EBA and Ult to scale with Break effect multipliers, or double the toughness Break efficiency for her and the linked character.
I'm sure her kit will get tuned later in as I think it's only v1 now
Give her a burn DOT, allow her to trigger DOT on her ult and allow us to make a Super Break Kafka lol FF doesn't need another support lol
exo toughness makes characters like boothill crazy cause of his scaling
Her name is fudge
U kinda still need fugue if u wanna go for the next 3.X meta team that MC is gonna be apart in and u still want to play superbreak
From what I've seen, SB stacks, however, the issue lies in her numbers as TB still provides the best value for SB percentage as a whole. I believe she'll eventually get some more buffs, because I highly doubt they'll sell us Fugue who's basically looking like a weaker HMC SB numbers-wise, which is a free unit. Her ult should be okay, even without any debuff just for doing toughness damage, however, the 20% toughness damage for 150 energy feels so weak. Hopefully they could do two things with her ult, namely add a special debuff bonus (probably that will increase break damage on enemies) or just straight up decrease the energy cost because 150 is way too much. I'm confident the other parts of her kit will be buffed, numbers-wise since we're still at V1. This also happened to Lingsha who had some many changes in her version since her first issue lied to having too much toughness damage, then it was nerfed to balance it out but it became too weak, but then it was tweaked again at V5 to be increased.
The problem is they’re balancing Fugue offer E2, which turns her ultimate into a buff that advance forward her team basically DDD on a eidolon and on top of that Fugue herself doesn’t really do a lot of damage from what I seen.
I look at fugue/gal/Ryan Mei be the most SP positive team you can bring so you can pop heals whenever needed, it’s the simplest way to play.
Units that can take advantage of exo toughness are gonna put Fugue under the brightest light. Boothill does a truck ton of standard break damage being a physical dps and also gets his stacks faster. If you wanna know how exo toughness effects Rappa just read her talent. RM provides res pen and gets to break whenever anyone else breaks so thats double the break on your already doubled break. I think FF gains comparatively less from exo toughness outside E2.
The other biggest factor is how much you've invested in E1s and how good your relics are. The more E1s you have across your other break units the more impactful Fugue's debuff is and the more break effect you have managed to farm on your relics and LC the less impactful the break effect is that you are losing from dropping HMC
I think the reason you thought superbreak isnt stacking is with Fugue its probably getting to the point of oversaturation. With HMC, Fugue, and FF combined thats 310% superbreak when theres only one enemy.
Chill, don't take leaks too seriously specially if its still at V1 beta version, you can start to think about it when it reach V3-V4 because at that phase most likely the number is already fixed only text wording changes happen usually..
I think her SB multiplier and Def shred will get buffed in V3-5 to be at least as good as TB and Pela. Her ult is really weak for a nihility character so maybe there's some potential there as well. Besides there's a high chance that TB gets a new form that will be part of the new META(summon?) once we get to 3.n, so if TB has to move on, Fugue will fill in a spot on the SB team.
Man, there's a lot of really dented comments.
Fugue is for Firefly, the reason she is Nihility is to create a window where she's usable on Acheron teams for people who don't like Husbandos.
As for her power level, it's too low for sure. She has some incredible synergy with helping Rappa have perma ult uptime due to Exo-Toughness but otherwise she's disappointing in just about every team she fits in. Fugues ult is terrible though, it deals bad damage compared to really any other break team member, has no additional utility out of the omni-break (Which is nearly useless in FF teams) and if you go for Fugues E2 to have the "free" DDD you end up AV'ing your team less than Harmony TB as Fugues ult costs more energy and she regains less from enemies being broken.
Beyond that she needs to have Eff Hit when no other breaker needs that stat which means she's just more annoying to build than the average break unit and realistically a lot of people probably were nuking their Eff Hit Rate Break pieces up until recently when we found out she'd be Nihility.
She's going to be "good" just like every other new unit is "good", but if she doesn't receive buffs to her Ult frequency and either damage or other effects added and some level of buff to her E2 she's going to be mediocre af. In fact, going further than that, there'll likely be clears that Harmony TB with DDD can get that she won't be able to create.
Yeah I was super excited when she was leaked but now she's obviously a huge downgrade.
- HTB has 120 / 130 / 140 / 150 / 160% Super Break depending on how many enemies are on field; Fugue only has 100% Super Break.
- HTB increases Break Effect for the WHOLE team by 33% after using Ultimate; Fugue only increases BE by 40% to a SINGLE ally and her Ultimate doesn't buff anything.
- HTB shares 15% of their BE with the whole team; Fugue increases BE for the whole team by 15%, per weakness broken enemy, stacking up to only 2 times (30% increase for 2 weakness broken enemies or more)
- HTB can use the Watchmaker's relic set, which increases the whole team's Break Effect by a whopping 30% after using Ultimate; Fugue's BiS relic set only buffs herself, which is useless since she's not a DPS and doesn't share her own BE with the team.
She's a HTB sidegrade at BEST, and somewhat of a downgrade at worst. It baffles me how Mihoyo made a limited 5 star worse than a free character.
I seriously hope they rework her a lot in v2, v3, v4 and v5, otherwise she won't be worth the 160 pulls + money spent to acquire Eidolons and Light Cone. A 200% Super Break in her Talent instead of only 100%, at the very least, would already make her worth it, considering the free HTB has a 160% Super break.
From what I've seen her numbers are just low, she does stack an everything.
It's V1 so she'll probably get a buff. If not, she's a skip. Hoping they put her e1 into her base kit aswell.
Funny enough for Boothill she's amazing.
I've already invested a lot (as a F2P) on my FF team: E2S1 FF, E1S1 RM, E1S1 Lingsha. Definitely pulling for fugue to complete that all waifu team.
as a f2p is crazy
Super break does stack. It’s just that current Fugue is a little lack luster right now since its beta. Currently, she’s not even worth replacing Harmony Trailblazer. Their multiplayer is around 1.6x where’s Fugue’s is around 1x if i remember correctly. But she’s most likely going to get buffed a lot in later versions so don’t worry about it. And there has been showcases with Lingsha btw. But it’s still pretty lackluster even with her
I feel like hoyo is being too conservative with fugue. Her kit is a bit too weak. She's supposed to be HMC replacement but offers less than him which sucks honestly.
Dont forget this is v1, theres still more to change about her kit, I agree with you on that tho 🙏
@@IkitheStiki I hope they'll buff her too
But that's just pure speculation from the community after seeing Super Break in her kit (without actually doing the math). It's apparent that she was never HMC replacement.
i pulled for lingsha and luckily got 2 copies of her in one 10 pull honestly she with the amount of damage she does sometimes i forget she’s literally a sustain
Sunday makes jing yang good
Good but not great
@@ABC-yj6cy Jing can never be great, Bros ancient
You know that Sunday is made specifically so we all have to pull for further 5 star characters with entirely new mechanics and entirely new composition right? he is useless now, but if you really want to pull for Sunday, you are almost guaranteed to have to pull for whatever new team comp Hoyo is planning next, which mean you'll have to invest further on pulls for probably 3 more 5 star characters to make that said team comp work. I kinda have enough of these FOMO bullshit Hoyo does all the time, Im done pulling for new characters and is now just trying to perfect my current team comp (Firefly and Feixiao). Similarly if you already have Acheron/Feixiao/Firefly team comp then I wouldnt really advice you to invest on another whole new team comp over perfecting your current one, even if you really like that character it wouldnt mean anything if he'll just permanently sit there doing nothing since no chars benefit his kit, unless, like I said, if youre willing to invest to 3 more future characters specifically to make his kit work, which again is what Hoyo is trying to do.
@@mediumsurmoon6283I feel the same.
This HSR Fomo to build an Archetype team is geting annoying.
The problem is that some characters can go from mid to broken with the right team and only that team.
I also got Feixiao/Acheron/Firefly team.
I only need Aventurine and Fugue to complete my teams.
Feixiao already got Robin and Topaz and Acheron got Jiaoqui ,Firefly got Ruan Mei and Lingsha.
After Aventurine and Fugue I am not planing to pull for a while unless they drop a Dot sustain or Nihility de/buffer for Acheron.
Fugue's value doesnt lie in the fact of helping firefly do more numbers you are forgetting the fact she is not a harmony she is nihilty and she debuffs enemies not in a way that help you do even bigger numbers but by delaying them so that there are more instances of break and superbreak dmg....the big numbers role is for the harmony people in a break team ...fugue's most stand out feature is exo toughness (which we all have seen is really broken for firefly and break teams in general) and delaying weakness broken enemies....and not to mention in the leaked showcases she is at E0S0...if you get her lightcone enemies will receive 40% more break dmg just like that and if you manage to get her to E2 she will give weakeness break efficiency and her ultimate will regen energy after weakness break and also action advance the whole team....I mean if you use rm, htb and fugue in one team enemies are gonna be delayed till the cretaceous period along with having another weakness bar which can be broken for more dmg...to summarise fugue helps doing more dmg by doing more instances of more dmg not by one instance of big dmg
the problem is if its need E1 or even E2 just for barelly over HMC and at E0S1 is same as HMC then that character is doom, better pulling Lingshia that have better comfy and also great dmg in super break
I've been running Jiaoqiu (LC Resolution Shines As Pearls of Sweat for Def Red.) and It's really fun with Boothill and Firefly. But if I add Fugue than I'd have to get rid of Jiaoqiu. I guess as a Boothill main I should wish for Fugue but daaamn I want Sunday so baaad 😭 I got Lingsha recently so I'm at 40 warps like jezuz Idk if I can get her, too.
fugue is more then hmc because those number are changer before launch since she a better hmc but is just in testing phase than hate on her.
You still play wuwa ?
Fugue is alternative of Rappa.
Because FF need toughness reduction.
To deal more damage the same with Boothill.
Fugue is more comparable for lingsha team.
But if you dont like using sustain Rappa is for you.
People still dont understand Ruan mei is not changeable character.
Like Robin she shine like main star.
Like kafka.
Just look at it how rare is spot her.
Aventurine were beaten by Lingsha so fast.
But is that mean he is ussless? hell nah.
JUST GIVE ME MY BLADE RERUN I BEG I HAVE ALL THIS FREAKING MONEY THAT I WANNA SPEND ON MY MANS BUTT HOYO KEEPS BLUE BALLING ME PLEASE JUST TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY I NEED THAT BLADIE E6S5
I dont give a damn if she is upgrade in FF team. I just want to play her with Xueyi and Himeko, and make follow ups go brrr.
I think the best move for HSR devs here is to tune Fugue to replace Ruan Mei, not HMC, since she's the general purpose unit anyway.
Fair but monetary wise it’s better for them to replace HMC since they are free + there will be a new MC variant in 3.x
That's what they should do if their devs use gamers mentality to decide their move. But they don't, they are shareholders first, gamers 3rd.
@@tipithedhedhistar4132 Actually, previous 5★ characters that are upgrade to 4★ alternatives don't sell to well (Lingsha, Jiaoqiu).
Fugue = Skippa if she doesn't offer anything else on the FF teams
She is hard to skip if u wanna play superbreak and thr new meta in 3.X when she changes path.
Its far too early to make any concrete judgements, give them some time to cook.
It's not too early. We need to voice our disappointment now and make our voices reach Mihoyo so they feel motivated to buff her kit throughout the Beta. Player feedback is exactly how they "cook"
@nunorodrigues320 its the early stages of the beta, so yes, it is too early.
The characters always go through multiple iterations, people voicing their disappointment with a character in the first version of their beta is like complaining about how a burger looks while its still cooking and being seasoned.
Every character goes through multiple different stages before being released, you complaining has no bearings on it. People doomposted jiaoqiu into the floor and they changed nothing, nerfed him further and further and released him, turned out he was good anyways.
@@dplayer2693 That's a really bad analogy. A closer analogy would be telling the cook you don't want pickles on your burger BEFORE they start cooking it. You don't tell them you don't want pickles after the burger has already been served. The beta is precisely the time to tell the devs the changes you want made to the character.
You can't complain about their kit after the character is already out and released. By then it'll already be too late.
@nunorodrigues320
We all know they change the characters multiple times in development. If feedback was what dictated how they buffed/nerfed during development, then jiaoqiu would've gotten significant buffs prior to release bc players were absolutely fuming and doomposting him heavily.
Complaining about the earliest iteration of the character while knowing they plan on changing things before release, bc they always do, is jumping the gun quite a bit.
You can voice your disappointment with the current version of a units kit, but you also have to recognize that the devs are going to change the kit based on what they feel is right. Not what the players feel is right, especially when we're technically not even supposed to see them bc again, they're still being made and adjusted.
Feixiao got altered in several ways players didn't want, came out broken.
Jiaoqiu got nerfed heavily despite players wanting him buffed and actively doomposting him, came out great.
Lingsha, prior to release, was just a gallagher clone, barely better and not worth pulling. They changed nothing despite this feedback from players. Came out great.
It is, in fact, too early to be worried about how the character is going to turn out when it's at its absolute earliest stages.
Fugue is kinda weird.
Mihoyo make her as nihility so she cant abuse DDD lc, in return mihoyo give her E2 S5DDD effect,
that prety much greedy😂.
Fugue EXO toughness is OP that allow your dps to deal extra break dmg, as for rappa give energy and charge, for hmc its give energy, that the reason why people want fugue replace ruan mei , Although you cant ignore ruan mei 25%ress pen 10%spd boost and aoe weakness break efficiency buff.
I think its problematic for e0 fugue to replace hmc or ruan mei.
But if you force me to choose then hmc need to go, bye bye S5 DDD😢
And again MIHOYO is so greedy lately😂
Tbf I don't really care much atm when it V3 and her multipliers is still this low yes it matter
HMC buffs are too important to replace I think mc is honestly Irreplaceable to a firefly team
Dmg is bigger , and Sunday is useless
she is a nihility so it was expected. Nihility debuffers always seem to be not as op as harmony. She is carried by exo . The rest of the kit is meh.
Roblox games be hitting fr
Sparkle haters rejoice😂 , she just dropped to t1 in tier list lmao. Bring shame to limited harmony whereas Robin and Ruan Mei are gonna stay in t0.
Expect her to go down more when Sunday comes out
weird asf considering sunday and sparkle r literally used as bis supports for jingyuan rn lmao but sure!
@@zstrxlol sparkle buff is anti synergistic with sunday and really need specific speed tuning lol. Better off with Bronya or Robin
So Sunday isn't a must I can stick with Robin and Sparkle?
@@darkcastle85 hes a must for the summon and servant meta on 3.0 onwards
Cause leakers have garbage builds lmao