Nikon ZF - Focus confirmation - with every vintage lens. -- Best manual focussing camera
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มี.ค. 2024
- I have found a solution to get the green focus confirmation box with every vintage lens and every non cpu lens on the market.
You just have to combine the Nikon ZF with the Neewer ETZ adapter, any Film camera mount to Sony E Adapter and a fitting vintage lens - and there you are. Full subject detection and focus confirmation on the market.
For me a real game changer!
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This is amazing. Thank for the fantastic info. This is a life saver and turns our vintage lenses from silver to gold.
Definitely! :D
My ETZ AF adapter does this focus confirmation with my non-cpu lenses (Voigtlander M, AiS, etc). Also, the lens aperture you are using can be set using the Zf aperture command dial so that will be shown in the exif. Very cool! No need to take notes aside about the aperture i am using with those non-cpu lenses.
That is a great tip! It´s true. I can change the apperture value with the command dial. Thanks for that! :)
Which adapter are you using?
@@manugeee It is named "FUNMOUNT" - ETZ ADAPTER.
Thank you so much for the post, it’s a game changer for me with this additional aid. I purchased the one you recommended and can confirm that it works on the zf out of the box as well as the older Z cameras. Z7 and z50 works fine.
This was very helpful and greatly demonstrated. Thanks Manu :)
I haven't had the chance yet to dig into the manual focus topic of the Nikon Zf since I don't have much vintage lenses anymore (+missing adapters), but saw several videos about eye recognition. Great to see it works also in Frankenstein mode thanks to your illustration :)
Dir und deiner Familie frohe Ostertage :)
Thanks. :)
For me it is really handy, that I can use my Sony glass on the Nikon and also that the Neewer provides all the AF functions, even when a Pentax is made to a Sony is made to a Nikon Mount. :D
Initially I did not want to go to Nikon, especially because of all the Adapters and that there is no Alternative for my SOny 24mm 1.4 GM. But now, i can use both on the nikon. Crazy times. ;-)
Euch ebenfalls frohe Ostertage. :)
Great workaround!
I was already looking at the E to Z adapter, but makes it even more interesting!
Indeed! It´s a little bit around the corner but works well :D
Well done Manu!
I'll have to save this video for later, to use as a reference. I am only 2 days into owning the Nikon Zf. I have it coupled to the FTZ adapter II, with the Zeiss classic Planar T * 1.4/50mm, which has electronic contacts, and can already get the "green box" confirmation in manual mode.
Since, I will be looking for a few older F-mount lenses to use with the thing, I'll definitely come back to your video for help.
Muahahahahaha! I am really loving these options.
Thank you! :D
How do the Nikon Zf lenses perform? I find them interesting, but for now, i still have enough glass to test and play. But maybe later... ;-)
It is really a great time, we are living in. I am using my vintage lenses, my Sony E Lenses and who knows that else is handy. So many possible combinations. :D
Thank you so much for the post, it’s a game changer for me with this additional aid. I purchased the one you recommended and can confirm that it works on the zf out of the box as well as the olderx Z cameras. Z7 and z50 works fine.
Ah! That is cool, that it also works with the older Z-Cameras. Thanks for the Info. :D
I noticed that the IBIS is not working with this software, but I asked Neewer and got a Beta Firmware, that activates also IBIS. Pretty cool.
@@manugeee please keep us up to date if there are changes and hope to see that take effect on the new version of the firmware.
You can use the TTArtisan 6 bit M to Z adapter instead, it's cheaper than the NEEWER adapter.
Than use mecanichal adapter from your lens mount to M mount ! :)
Thanks for the info. I have no M-Glass so I don’t know anything about the possibilities there. :-)
do u use this setup? and when yes how is it? are u satisfied?
This is great but why does the Nikon Z to F adapter not do this then - when it's clearly possible?
I also have no Idea, but it seems not to be too complicated. The FTZ adapter only makes green boxes with CPU lenses.
oha! nice!
Freut mich, dass es dich freut. Du hast mich auf den Trichter gebracht und ich hab mich gefreut, wie´n Schnitzel, als ich die "von hinten durch die Brust ins Auge" Lösung gefunden habe.
Also Danke dafür. :-)
Thanks for the video..........ive found the Neewer ETZ adapter on B&H but need some advise on what adapter to get for my Nikkor 55:1.2 pre AI lens back to the Sony E mount?
You´re welcome. :)
I use the K&C Pro Adapter Nikon F to Sony E to couple it with the Neewer ETZ. Works pretty well and is a solid adapter.
Just keep in mind, that the neewer is not really fast with Sony E Mount Autofocus lenses, if this is important for you. Here the Megadap ETZ 21pro is better, but has no focus confirmation. And if you want IBIS, the neewer can do it with a firmware update, that is not released, but I am testing a beta version at the moment.
@@manugeee Thanks a lot mate, I just ordered both of the adapters from Amazon
This is awesome! I have tons of f mount manual focus glass that I use on my Zf and I’ve been annoyed about not having focus confirmation. I wish the neewer didn’t cost so much but what can you do. From what you’ve said this seems to be a feature that Nikon could easily remedy by changing the chip in the ftz adapters.
Indeed. Actually that one comment below some video and the fact, that I saw this function working on the ZF with Voigtlander Lenses is the only reason, i bought the Nikon ZF.
I really love, that there is an so innovative Adapter market and that you can be so flexible with interchanging cameras and lenses of different brands, and they work very usable.
The implementation of the function seems really like not that much of an design change. Maybe it is just software and it needs only one bit to be changed for other adapters, to work. I dont know. But I hope others will follow the Neewer solution. :)
I believe the cheapest way is to use the TTArtisan 6bit adapter that is from Leica M mount to Z. It costs around 95€ in Europe and you can set the focal length on the adapter.
This was excellent information. Does the IBIS work with manual vintage lenses?
Thanks. :)
Yes, the IBIS works. You just have to tell the camera which focal length you are using - In the Non CPU Lens Menu, i have shown.
Thats, great. Thank you. I have a couple of Olympus cameras and they have amazing IBIS which works the same way with third party lenses. I was seriously considering buying a Leica SL2 a few months ago mainly to be able to use my Leica M and Zeiss or Voigtlander lenses, but I was informed that Leica had put in a feature that the IBIS would only work if it recognised the lens as Leica when using the adapter or something like that. If true this is totally unacceptable, and probably a Board decision spearhaded by accountants. @@manugeee
Interestingly, you could put that manual focus Nikon mount lens on to some early Nikon DLSR such as the Nikon D40-series, D50, D60, D70-series, D80, D90, D100, D200, D300-series, D3XXX, D5XXX and you'd get a focus confirmation indicator in the viewfinder. Some others: D1 / D2 / D3 / D4 / D5-series, D8XX, D7XX, D6XX, Df, D500, D7XXX even gave you directional focus assist arrows as well.
I think, that was a little easier back then, because Nikon tried to keep compatibility of the mount for a long long time over the kinds of (D)SLRs, they made. I think the first major change with some kinds of incompatibility was, when the G Lenses came, with internal focus motor. But i am not that deep into this lenses.
Canon also just needed a simple chip at the EF pin positions on the lens, to supply focus confirmation. :)
@@manugeee Yes, it's interesting how digital cameras have evolved. It was great when mirrorless cameras opened up the possibility of mounting all sorts of older lenses, but so frustrating that they don't incorporate focus confirmation.
I was able to do this with the AFD CPU chipped lenses on my Z6 & I liked it a lot. However, I liked my DSLRs better than the Z6, so I just sold my Z6 and I hope to buy a Zf sometime in future when they get cheaper. I’m back with D3s & D3X for now (with a D610 on order.)
So let me get this straight, I mount a ETZ adapter on the Zf body and then a Leica M to E adapter on that and I can use my vintage Leica lenses or third party lens like a Light Lens Lab or TTArtisan and retain focus confirmation and f stop recognition??? How?
Thanks Manu. This is a very interesting discovery, especially given that neither the Nikon FTZii or the Megadap ETZ adapters gave you focus confirmation. I’ve been able to get focus confirmation on my Z7ii with the Fringer EF-Z adapter using the EF mount version of my Lensbaby Velvet 85mm manual lens. I can’t confirm it works on the Zf because I don’t have the camera but I'm making the assumption that it will.
Ah That is also cool. I didnt know, that the Z7II also hat that feature. I would also say, that the software is the same, or at least it is the same operating system.
I find it very cool, that these more advanced adapters make it possible to combine so many types of lenses and cameras together. :-D
Regarding the displayed maximum aperture of the mounted lens, you can change it using the front command dial on the Z f.
That is true. I was on a short trip yesterday, but i noticed that the camera works strange. When I set the apperture on the lens to for example f22 and in with the wheel on f22 as well, then I think the camera does expect that the lens is on working apperture wide open and will stop down to f22. But then the light meter calculates, with the only f22 light coming on the sensor, that the lens will stop further down, and i got to dark images. Do you have experienced the same behaviour?
@@manugeee I believe you just need to set it to the max aperture of the lens so the camera can meter accordingly.
Is the newer adapter good for auto focus Sony lenses? How is the af speed ?
Does face detection etc works well too?
To be honest, i havent yet tested the AF of the adapter with my Sony lenses. I used the Megadap ETZ 21 Pro, which seems to be fine and good enough for me, but i think native Z-Mount Nikon lenses could be a little bit faster. But as for now, i also only used the relatively old Zeiss 55mm 1.8. This Weekend I plan to mount the 24mm 1.4 GM on the camera and go out.
But so far, I dont know the Neewer AF Performance, yet.
To get the focus box on my Canon R8 with 'Vintage' lenses, I have to purchase a 'chipped' adapter. It kind of works. It tells the camera that I have a 50mm lens on it. The problem is that it is designed for DSLRs so calibrations doesn't work. I have to slightly front focus on the box a tiny bit on my Contax/Zeiss 135mm, but with practice, it works fine.
I used a chip like this with my old EF Cameras back in the days. There it worked the same way. But I thought, that newer mirrorless cameras with the focus system on the sensor, shouldnt have the old back or front focus problem anymore.
But manual focussing is per se a matter of practice, i think. ;-)
Does the auto focus work well on moving subjects for vintage lenses ?
The autofocus with other Sony E Mount lenses is pretty slow. Tested it with the 24mm f1.4 Sony and cannot recommend to use it for AF. Here the Megadap is much better.
Can you try if the eye detection would work? Is it detect eye and confirm it when it’s in focus?
In the later part of the video I also show the I detection with the Neewer Adapter. The Megadap on the other hand doesn´t have the focus confirmation at all.
In my opinion the Megadap ETZ21 is the better choice for an af Sony E to Nikon Z adapter. Another cheaper option is the Leica M TT Artisan 6 Bit adapter.
I initially baught the Megadap Adapter for my Sony glass and hoped, that it could also provide this feature. But the Megadap Adapter does not. Maybe it is just software, maybe one of the pins needs a certain signal, I don´t know, but for manual focussing, the Megadap does not support focus confirmation with non CPU lenses, sadly.
I have no Leica M lenses, so this is not really an option, but because I have almost every SLR Mount adapter to Sony E - I immediately can reuse all the adapters and lenses with the neewer.
That is maybe a special situation just for me, but I find it very handy. ;-)
@@manugeee Latest firmware on the adapter? Try it. It works for me.
@@stefan_becker I tried the latest firmware on Megadap. No luck.
@@stefan_becker @manugeee please try this and confirm if possible!
So how do i make this work on a Nikon z6 and vintage lenses? Thx
Without having it tested, someone mentioned in one of the other comments that the older Z-Cameras had also the same focus confirmation.
I hope Megadap adds this feature to the ETZ21 Pro
Does this mean that the Zf itself could have this feature through a firmware release??
I dont know, what the Nikon needs to activate the feature. But it does not seem to be that much. Maybe just some Bits need to be active to activate the feature. Maybe the Bits need to be send from the lens Pin inputs.
It works the same as using MF lenses on Canon EF bodies with adapters built with electronic contacts.
Ah yes! That is true. :-) I also still have a little chip, that I glued on old, rebuild Canon fd Lenses, that I equipped with an 3D Printed EF Mount. Then even my old 5D CLassic made Focus Confirmation. But with todays Cameras, I found nothing similar and with Eye Detection functions, the ZF is really handy now for using vintage glass.
@@manugeee I totally agree, focus confirmation is quite useful back in the days. I am surprised only Nikon introduced subject detection with MF lenses.
This is also useful with m mount glass!
I have read about a TT Artisan 6 bit Adapter, which should fit M Mount lenses, would be a direkt way to conect both.
@@manugeeebut there’s no focus confirmation or F stop reading then correct?
Hi my adapters arrived they are exactly the same ones that you have everything is working with my Pre AI Nikkor 55:1.2 lens but I still cant get the green conformation box when the camera is in focus..........what do you recommend that I do
Hi Neil,
It hard to say from the far why you don’t get the confirmation.
I would start analytically.
Which camera do you use? (Also some people said that older bodies also should work)
What firmware update have camera and adapter?
Did you check all the settings, I also posted in my video?
Is maybe the 55 1:2 to soft wide open? Does it work at f2.8 or at f4?
If you get it working please
Let me know and tell me what you had to change.
Cheers manu
It’s working now. Once I did all the in body menu changes as per your video it’s started working 🙏🙏🙏
The only issue I see is the camera body does not know the focal length of the lens you are using so IBIS isn't going to work properly for all focal lengths. If you use a chipped adapter like the neewer, it won't allow you to utilize non-cpu lens data. Or does it??
you must tell the camera which non-cpu lens you are using via the menu
Actually I checked it. Even if the non CPU lens is added, you cannot activate the IBIS, unfortunately. I dont know why, but I will ask the Neewer Support. It is okay for shorter focal lenght, but even for longer lenses IBIS is very usefull, as I learned with my Sony.
@@carlosandreviana9448 But you're not using a non-cpu lens anymore once you put a chipped adapter on the camera, even if you have a non cpu lens in front of the chipped adapter, the camera is assuming you have a chipped lens attached that isn't reporting the focal length, making the camera ignore the "non cpu lens data" menu input.
How does the ZF know the focal length of the lens? (For ibis)
It doen´t with the tested Firmware. The IBIS is actually not active. I reached out to Neewer and got a Beta Firmware, that activates IBIS. But I need some more time to check it out. I found one text file on the adapter with focal length information, and the non CPU Data in the camera. Neewer did not answer my question very well, where to change the info, but I will investigate, when i have more time.
@@manugeee Thanks for the update! I noticed the text file too, and I wonder if just cahning it would do the trick - but at the same time I am sure that would not work.
I also reached out to Neewer, and got an equally cryptic response. Updating firmware to 2.70 supposedly fixes IBIS, but how to change the focal length remains a mystery. They said it is in the text file, and can be changed - but neglected to tell me how. I just tried manually changing the parameters on the text file, but not surprisingly I just got an error message when trying to replace the existing txt file with an altered one. It’s a crock of ****, to be sure.
@@snoogly yesterday, I tried out just to change the focal length values (set to 400) and had an noticeable effect on the IBIS performance with the 50mm lens still attached.
I just edited the value but also copied the whole section to add a second lens in hope that I can switch between both. But last one had no effect. Error messages were also not shown.
My firmware is also 2.6. so you have a newer update.
I did the same and unfortunately the two adapters got jammed together so both adapters are ruined. (luckily not the lens) I suspect it might be due to the slim eject mechanism on the EtoZ adapter failing. To those who want to do this, beware of the risks.
You mean, you cant remove the Neewer adapter from the "Other-to-Sony" Adapter when pushing the knob up?
I also do not like the Neewer release mechanism that much, but I had no Problems with releasing it, so far. Did you contact Neewer?
thats nice, yet even my old Olympus E300 can do that
It was already mentioned in another comment, that also the old Canon EF Cameras could to this, and I also still have a chip from when I used 3D Printed parts to build Canon fd Lenses into EF Mount lenses.
But today with mirrorless cameras and the very much smaller flange distances Adapting vintage lenses is much more easy and powerfull. Also the subject detection functions make manual focussing so much more usefull and accurate.
What he neglects to mention is that the adapter reports all non cpu lenses as being 50mm. This means incorrect exif info, and wrong ibis settings. It’s a real shame he wasn’t more honest about this, as surely he tried it with lenses other than 50mm …
You can (and have to) change the non-cpu lens data in the camera. This will also - very importantly - change the vibration reduction
@@scottastic6428 It makes no difference. The adapter cannot work in conjunction with non cpu lens settings. It always sees non cpu lenses as 50mm.
We should tell him to make an update on this video, because in the test, he also did not notice, that the IBIS was deactivated and he has to contact neewer, to get a beta firmware to actively use the IBIS. Also he should investigate more, where exactly he has to chance the focal lenght settings, as it seems, to be written into a text file on the adapter. But it could also be on the non CPU Lenses. He is maybe a little busy at the moment, but if someone would tell him to check about all this stuff, would be great.
@@manugeee😅👍 Really interesting! Looking forward to where the journey goes and maybe neewer sees the opportunity for making an actually unique product! Danke für deine Arbeit!
Ok, my 2 cents worth... Having looked through the ZF EVF, I disagree. I think Nikon missed a trick with its low res EVF. I think the best camera to use vintage lenses is the A7R5 - the EVF is that good that you dont need annoying focusing aids. Focus just snaps into clarity. Its similar experience to the old SLRs that had ground glass screens I guess. I refuse to go back to a camera with a lower spec.
To be honest, I was a little dissappointet about the A7R5 EVF. When it was released, I thought that this will be my perfect next camera, but when I took it into my hands, the whole camera did not fit me, to be honest.
The Nikon Viewfinder is okay. Definetly Better than the SOny A7III ones. And it does not reduce resolution, when half pressing the trigger, which I found very disturbing.
@@manugeee For manual lenses the Sony EVF doesn't reduce resolution, so no difference there. For AF lenses I don't really care about the slight loss of image quality. Once you setup the correct profiles for sharpness and contrast, the Mk5 EVF is just a lovely experience.
no problems using the evf and getting focused images with manual lenses on the Zf. And I own several
@@carlosandreviana9448 I never claimed you couldn't. Do you need to use the focus aids?
@@Fat-totoro-cat of course