Hey Manu, thank you for the video and also for the other videos about the Neewer adapter. I bought the neewer adapter because of your videos and it works very well. I also own the TTArtisan 6bit adapter. This one has two downsides I think. First you cannot choose any focal length (maybe manually coding the lenses with a Leica code would be a workaround). Secondly I cannot set apertures higher than 5.6 with the TTArtisan adapter. Do you have the same problem or do you know how to set other apertures? I am also not sure how to update the firmware of the TTArtisan. In the manual there is no description at all. Do you know it?
Hi Asref, i habe experienced the same behaviour with my adapters. The TTArtisan allows only values up to f5.6 inside the camera. But with the neewer adapter I have experienced, that the exposure gets off, when setting higher values in the camera. Even when lens setting and camera setting are equal, like for example f/16, then the image will come out far to bright. Even, when the Liveview image is correct, the shot photo is not correct. Because of this behaviour I generally stopped setting the actual settings of the lens into the camera and later on only add the lens information in lightroom into the metadata. According to the firmwareupdate I found this: www.ttartisan.com/?tutorials-Firmware/M-Z-6Bit-15.html
@@manugeee Yes, I have the same problem with the Neewer adapter. For apertures up to f5.6 the exposure is ok. But from f8 onwards the exposure is too bright. So after all for both adapters the aperture can be set only until f5.6 in the camera. Maybe the problems are related? I mean, maybe this is the reason why the aperture on the TTArtisan adapter can be set only up to f5.6. Maybe the exposure would also become too bright for higher aperture values? Who knows. I sent emails to Neewer and TTArtisan, but I didn't get a really meaningful answer so far.
[english below] Was meinen Sie konkret mit dem Nachteil, den der TT-Artisan Adapter hat? Verstehe ich das richtig "it is limited with the values it can send to the camera"? Welche Werte sind damit gemeint? Ich möchte gerne auf eine Nikon Zf alte Minolta MD-Objektive montieren und bin am Überlegen wie ich es mache, um die Fokusbestätigung zu haben, vielen Dank im Voraus für die Antwort! LG Damit englischsprachige auch mitlesen können: can you please explain the specific cons of the TT-Artisan adapter? I planning to mount Minolta MD lenses on Nikon Zf and am wondering what the best adapter solution is to get the focus confirmation. Thanks in advance!
Was ich meinte ist, dass der TT-Artisan Adapter nur die Brennweitenwerte angeben kann, die auf dem Drehrad stehen. Das Minimum sind hier 28mm. Das Maximum sind 135mm. Da der IBIS die Werte benutzt, ist das bei langen Tele-Objektiven oder bei größeren Weitwinkeln dann nicht ideal. Obwohl ich schon früher mit meniem 80-200mm an einem Adapter immer (aber bei Sony noch) die 135mm angegeben hatte und das hat auch gut geklappt. Im Newer Adapter kann ich alle möglichen Werte angeben, dafür habe ich dann aber das Problem, dass ich den Adapter immer abbauen und an einen Rechner mit spezial USB Kabel anschließen muss, um den Wert zu Ändern. Auch alles andere, als Ideal. Der TT-Artisan Adapter ist deutlich komfortabler. Um dich jetzt noch ein bischen zu verunsichern. ;-) Ich bin aber gerade dran mir nochmal genauer anzusehen, wie es mit den Flange Distance Toleranzen aussieht, da kommen meine beiden Nikon zu M und Leica R zu M Adapter mit TT Artisan in Summe jetzt noch nicht ganz so gut, weg, so dass Unendlich zu weit vorne liegt (teilweise bei nur 2-3m auf dem Objektiv). Dann sehe ich auch deutlich dunkle Ecken. @bokehtherapy hat das in seinem Video berichtet. th-cam.com/video/qG581ID6P2A/w-d-xo.html Aber ich weiß gerade nicht, ob der TT-Artisan Adapter oder Flange Distance die Ursache sind. Der Newer und die Sony Adapter in Kombi haben da weniger Delta zum eigentlich Abstand. Meine Datenbasis ist noch nicht groß genug. Hab jetzt nochmal Adapter nachbestellt, die teurer sind. Also da kommt nochmal n Video in Zukunft.
Thanks for digging deep into this topic! Looking to get the Zf soon to unlock my bunch of Nikkor AI glasses. Any vignetting on the Z-M-F solution? @BokehTherapy made a comparison video of adapters on YT recently and he showed some serious vignetting with the Z-M-F solution vs. the Z-E-F. But he used the Urth F-M adapter, not the K&F Concept one, so maybe this one is the culprit of the vignetting and not the TTArtisan one?
@@FfortheT I saw his video recently and he summarised really well. :-) For the vignette with the TTartisan adapter: I am just working on a lens test of the Canon LTM 50mm 1.4 and had no vignette. But the adapter m39 to m is really narrow. Lately I went for a walk with a Leica Summicron R 35 f2 and there I found the same vignette, but with ibis it was a little inconsistent, because the sensor moved between the test shots. Also infinity focus was at 3-5 m and not at infinity. So I think it depends on the adapter combination. I also have a Nikon F to Leica m adapter and want to check this with several focal lengths. :-)
Ha! That is cool!!! I didn´t knew this. Just tested with the TTArtisan 75mm f/1.5 and the Neewer ETZ Adapter. Set camera to AF-S with these Settings and it works. Press the Shutter and wait until something is in focus. Thanks for pointing me on to it. [Custom Settings Menu] a2 AF-S priority selection > Focus a6 AF activation > AF-ON only > Out-of-focus release Disabled
Thanks for the video, got mine yesterday. It’s pretty good. A couple of observations . First is I don’t see the point in the button as you can set your lens FL and max aperture in camera. Second is that the subject detection focusing is a bit sketchy. I don’t have a lot of experience with this as I am also Fuji owner so I tend to shoot AF-S 99% of the time, so it may be a case of my having to practice with Zf to get used to it.
Yes, you have to train yourself the manual focusing. It has to get in your muscle memory. And especially when you’re wide open, then the critical focus is a matter of tiny adjustments on the lens. The focal length is necessary for the ibis and the settings in the camera seem to not being used for the ibis. The max aperture is not transferred to the camera. You can set it with the dial manually to max f5.6, but it is not needed for anything in terms of how the pictures will come out. You only have the settings in the exif files. But I don’t keep track on these numbers. Too much micro managing. I like manual focussing also only on old lenses. With my AF lenses, I never even think about that at all. But it opens a world to a lot of interesting lenses and since it is not that easy, it means for me that I have worked and earned the final image. That’s at least my own motivation. But I can see that thisnis clearly not everybody’s thing. But try it a little. You will see, you will get better over time. 😁
@@manugeee I am experienced with MF, no issues there…it’s the subject detection I am not used to. No matter how many people say automation is good it’s never quite as predictable as they claim, hence why I like MF…the control is all mine. And ibis is fine for me with this adapter, it’s always on whether I push the button or not. 😎
That is actually a little bit a weird thing. First and quickly: The answer is no. I cant change the values with the TTArtisan Adapter above f5.6. But the questions go further for me: I have not really figured out, what the camera algorithms are doing, but they are behaving strange with the Neewer ETZ and the TTArtisan adapter. With the TTArtisan I can change values in camera up to f5.6. The value is decoupled from what is actually set on the lens and does not change anything noticeable on the exposure. When I start stopping down the lens, I see, that at f/11 to f/22 the exposure of the image gets darker and I have to adjust by exposure compensation. Below the value up to f8 I see no influence of the apperture to the chosen exposure of the image. With the Neewer adapter I have a similar behaviour. When I change the physical lens apperture to high numbers, the exposure gets darker and i have to compensate. Here I can also change the setting in the camera, but when the values of the camera get to f/11 and above, the exposure of the final image is too bright. The live view image is good, but then I make an image and the final file is overexposed. So it seems, that there is some non linear function working inside the camera and phyisical or digital large apperture numbers do negatively effect the exposure of the image. Therefore I have decided with both adapters, that I will not choose values above f/5.6 on the camera. Of course my exif data are then not correct, but to be honest: Since the values are not coupled, i am also to lazy to keep them both equal all the time. Especially, when i am shooting apperture series for my videos. Then I prefer to count the images to know the apperture vaules. ;-)
@@manugeee Amazing, thanks for such a detailed response, super helpful! Yes that sounds like the best approach. Good to know regarding the Neewer adapter aswell. Loving your videos, keep up the great work!
@@photographerwithawalker maybe. I had some issues with this adapter and an urth Leica r to m adapter. But infinitely was at 3-5m and I saw black corners. With an M39 to M adapter and the canon 50mm 1.4 every thing was fine so far.
@@manugeee I bought a Voigtländer adapter because it is the only one that holds the distance between the matrix and the lens. Others, like this TTartisan 6bit, do not hold this distance. In particular, LM mount lenses from companies like 7artisan or TTartisan and similar have problems. Besides, some Sony mount lenses do not focus at infinity when attached to a Nikon Z using this Sony to Nikon Z adapter. I am trying to find out if it is the adapters or the lenses that are to blame.
Very interesting, thank you very much.
You’re welcome. ☺️
I am going to buy it because of your video!❤
Haha! Nice! Have fun and good light. :-)
Hey Manu, thank you for the video and also for the other videos about the Neewer adapter. I bought the neewer adapter because of your videos and it works very well. I also own the TTArtisan 6bit adapter. This one has two downsides I think. First you cannot choose any focal length (maybe manually coding the lenses with a Leica code would be a workaround). Secondly I cannot set apertures higher than 5.6 with the TTArtisan adapter. Do you have the same problem or do you know how to set other apertures? I am also not sure how to update the firmware of the TTArtisan. In the manual there is no description at all. Do you know it?
Hi Asref,
i habe experienced the same behaviour with my adapters. The TTArtisan allows only values up to f5.6 inside the camera. But with the neewer adapter I have experienced, that the exposure gets off, when setting higher values in the camera. Even when lens setting and camera setting are equal, like for example f/16, then the image will come out far to bright. Even, when the Liveview image is correct, the shot photo is not correct.
Because of this behaviour I generally stopped setting the actual settings of the lens into the camera and later on only add the lens information in lightroom into the metadata.
According to the firmwareupdate I found this:
www.ttartisan.com/?tutorials-Firmware/M-Z-6Bit-15.html
@@manugeee Yes, I have the same problem with the Neewer adapter. For apertures up to f5.6 the exposure is ok. But from f8 onwards the exposure is too bright. So after all for both adapters the aperture can be set only until f5.6 in the camera. Maybe the problems are related? I mean, maybe this is the reason why the aperture on the TTArtisan adapter can be set only up to f5.6. Maybe the exposure would also become too bright for higher aperture values? Who knows. I sent emails to Neewer and TTArtisan, but I didn't get a really meaningful answer so far.
[english below]
Was meinen Sie konkret mit dem Nachteil, den der TT-Artisan Adapter hat? Verstehe ich das richtig "it is limited with the values it can send to the camera"? Welche Werte sind damit gemeint? Ich möchte gerne auf eine Nikon Zf alte Minolta MD-Objektive montieren und bin am Überlegen wie ich es mache, um die Fokusbestätigung zu haben, vielen Dank im Voraus für die Antwort!
LG
Damit englischsprachige auch mitlesen können:
can you please explain the specific cons of the TT-Artisan adapter? I planning to mount Minolta MD lenses on Nikon Zf and am wondering what the best adapter solution is to get the focus confirmation. Thanks in advance!
Was ich meinte ist, dass der TT-Artisan Adapter nur die Brennweitenwerte angeben kann, die auf dem Drehrad stehen. Das Minimum sind hier 28mm. Das Maximum sind 135mm. Da der IBIS die Werte benutzt, ist das bei langen Tele-Objektiven oder bei größeren Weitwinkeln dann nicht ideal. Obwohl ich schon früher mit meniem 80-200mm an einem Adapter immer (aber bei Sony noch) die 135mm angegeben hatte und das hat auch gut geklappt.
Im Newer Adapter kann ich alle möglichen Werte angeben, dafür habe ich dann aber das Problem, dass ich den Adapter immer abbauen und an einen Rechner mit spezial USB Kabel anschließen muss, um den Wert zu Ändern. Auch alles andere, als Ideal. Der TT-Artisan Adapter ist deutlich komfortabler.
Um dich jetzt noch ein bischen zu verunsichern. ;-) Ich bin aber gerade dran mir nochmal genauer anzusehen, wie es mit den Flange Distance Toleranzen aussieht, da kommen meine beiden Nikon zu M und Leica R zu M Adapter mit TT Artisan in Summe jetzt noch nicht ganz so gut, weg, so dass Unendlich zu weit vorne liegt (teilweise bei nur 2-3m auf dem Objektiv). Dann sehe ich auch deutlich dunkle Ecken. @bokehtherapy hat das in seinem Video berichtet.
th-cam.com/video/qG581ID6P2A/w-d-xo.html
Aber ich weiß gerade nicht, ob der TT-Artisan Adapter oder Flange Distance die Ursache sind. Der Newer und die Sony Adapter in Kombi haben da weniger Delta zum eigentlich Abstand.
Meine Datenbasis ist noch nicht groß genug. Hab jetzt nochmal Adapter nachbestellt, die teurer sind. Also da kommt nochmal n Video in Zukunft.
Thanks for digging deep into this topic! Looking to get the Zf soon to unlock my bunch of Nikkor AI glasses. Any vignetting on the Z-M-F solution? @BokehTherapy made a comparison video of adapters on YT recently and he showed some serious vignetting with the Z-M-F solution vs. the Z-E-F. But he used the Urth F-M adapter, not the K&F Concept one, so maybe this one is the culprit of the vignetting and not the TTArtisan one?
@@FfortheT I saw his video recently and he summarised really well. :-)
For the vignette with the TTartisan adapter: I am just working on a lens test of the Canon LTM 50mm 1.4 and had no vignette. But the adapter m39 to m is really narrow. Lately I went for a walk with a Leica Summicron R 35 f2 and there I found the same vignette, but with ibis it was a little inconsistent, because the sensor moved between the test shots. Also infinity focus was at 3-5 m and not at infinity.
So I think it depends on the adapter combination. I also have a Nikon F to Leica m adapter and want to check this with several focal lengths. :-)
@@manugeee Thank you! Sounds like I'll go with the Neewer ETZ first and hope for a leaner solution (chipped FtZ) later on
I was wondering if you could use trap focus with neweer adapter? I have the ttartisan adapter and i love that feature for fast moving subjects
Ha! That is cool!!! I didn´t knew this. Just tested with the TTArtisan 75mm f/1.5 and the Neewer ETZ Adapter. Set camera to AF-S with these Settings and it works. Press the Shutter and wait until something is in focus.
Thanks for pointing me on to it.
[Custom Settings Menu]
a2 AF-S priority selection > Focus
a6 AF activation > AF-ON only > Out-of-focus release Disabled
Thanks for the video, got mine yesterday. It’s pretty good. A couple of observations . First is I don’t see the point in the button as you can set your lens FL and max aperture in camera. Second is that the subject detection focusing is a bit sketchy. I don’t have a lot of experience with this as I am also Fuji owner so I tend to shoot AF-S 99% of the time, so it may be a case of my having to practice with Zf to get used to it.
Yes, you have to train yourself the manual focusing. It has to get in your muscle memory. And especially when you’re wide open, then the critical focus is a matter of tiny adjustments on the lens.
The focal length is necessary for the ibis and the settings in the camera seem to not being used for the ibis. The max aperture is not transferred to the camera. You can set it with the dial manually to max f5.6, but it is not needed for anything in terms of how the pictures will come out. You only have the settings in the exif files. But I don’t keep track on these numbers. Too much micro managing.
I like manual focussing also only on old lenses. With my AF lenses, I never even think about that at all. But it opens a world to a lot of interesting lenses and since it is not that easy, it means for me that I have worked and earned the final image. That’s at least my own motivation. But I can see that thisnis clearly not everybody’s thing. But try it a little. You will see, you will get better over time. 😁
@@manugeee I am experienced with MF, no issues there…it’s the subject detection I am not used to. No matter how many people say automation is good it’s never quite as predictable as they claim, hence why I like MF…the control is all mine. And ibis is fine for me with this adapter, it’s always on whether I push the button or not. 😎
Have you been able to set the aperture in the camera beyond f5.6? I've seen others mention that this is a limitation of this setup.
That is actually a little bit a weird thing. First and quickly: The answer is no. I cant change the values with the TTArtisan Adapter above f5.6.
But the questions go further for me: I have not really figured out, what the camera algorithms are doing, but they are behaving strange with the Neewer ETZ and the TTArtisan adapter.
With the TTArtisan I can change values in camera up to f5.6. The value is decoupled from what is actually set on the lens and does not change anything noticeable on the exposure. When I start stopping down the lens, I see, that at f/11 to f/22 the exposure of the image gets darker and I have to adjust by exposure compensation. Below the value up to f8 I see no influence of the apperture to the chosen exposure of the image.
With the Neewer adapter I have a similar behaviour. When I change the physical lens apperture to high numbers, the exposure gets darker and i have to compensate. Here I can also change the setting in the camera, but when the values of the camera get to f/11 and above, the exposure of the final image is too bright. The live view image is good, but then I make an image and the final file is overexposed.
So it seems, that there is some non linear function working inside the camera and phyisical or digital large apperture numbers do negatively effect the exposure of the image. Therefore I have decided with both adapters, that I will not choose values above f/5.6 on the camera. Of course my exif data are then not correct, but to be honest: Since the values are not coupled, i am also to lazy to keep them both equal all the time. Especially, when i am shooting apperture series for my videos. Then I prefer to count the images to know the apperture vaules. ;-)
@@manugeee Amazing, thanks for such a detailed response, super helpful! Yes that sounds like the best approach. Good to know regarding the Neewer adapter aswell.
Loving your videos, keep up the great work!
@@BishBashBackup thanks for the compliment. 😊
It is rumoured that this adapter does not have the ideal distance to the sensor and the lens does not focus at infinity.
@@photographerwithawalker maybe. I had some issues with this adapter and an urth Leica r to m adapter. But infinitely was at 3-5m and I saw black corners.
With an M39 to M adapter and the canon 50mm 1.4 every thing was fine so far.
@@manugeee I bought a Voigtländer adapter because it is the only one that holds the distance between the matrix and the lens. Others, like this TTartisan 6bit, do not hold this distance. In particular, LM mount lenses from companies like 7artisan or TTartisan and similar have problems. Besides, some Sony mount lenses do not focus at infinity when attached to a Nikon Z using this Sony to Nikon Z adapter. I am trying to find out if it is the adapters or the lenses that are to blame.