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  • @garymorrison277
    @garymorrison277 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I bought the Neeewer adapter just because the Megadap etz21 didn't seem to work as you also found out. I followed your settings but with firmware 2.7, but on my Z8 and yes, it works. But the Megadap one still doesn't.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Cool. I was still wondering if the adapter also works on other Nikon cameras, which were released before the Nikon ZF. As for now, I only found the Neewer adapter if this video and also the TTartisan MTZ 6Bit adapter, which work with non CPU lenses. :-)

  • @Keso_o
    @Keso_o 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    does this work with m42 lens to leica m + ttartisan m/z 6bit adapter ?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, it does. :-)

  • @molybdnum
    @molybdnum 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the video! Every few years I find myself thinking "I should get one of these smart adapters, that would turn all my shelf lenses into every day lenses!" It's good to have the practical notes about usage to bring me back to reality.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well then I should not say, that I recently discovered, that old MF lenses of each and every manufacturer can be combined with different smart adapters and the latest Nikon cameras, so that you will get Eye detection and focus confirmation with green boxes, which makes my fully manual lenses very much useful again. 😉

  • @jaykay1332
    @jaykay1332 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sandust Ax150 disposable camera?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pentax Auto 110 Super - a small 110 film fully functional SLR in very tiny. 😃

  • @manugeee
    @manugeee 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    #Pentax #Auto110 #super #filmphotography

  • @manugeee
    @manugeee 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    #Pentacon #PentaconSix #PentaconSixTL

  • @manugeee
    @manugeee 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    #Canon #T90 #CanonT90

  • @manugeee
    @manugeee 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    #canon #AE1 #Canonae1programm

  • @jeremymote238
    @jeremymote238 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    when it comes to 35mm in 120 cameras, get another set of 35mm cassette adaptors, and then use old cassettes with the cut tail of the film hanging out. tape the new film to the tail, and then wind it into the used canister as you shoot.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That is actually a really smart idea. 😊 For my first try i will use a dark room (not a darkroom ;-) ) and see how far I will come. But I will have a look for another set. 😁 thanks.

  • @claudiopella1530
    @claudiopella1530 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Spettacolo!

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Gracie! 🤩

  • @fares__farhi
    @fares__farhi 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What an amaaaazingg video. I can't thank you enough man.. Thank you a lottt.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ähm… well thank you very much. 😅

  • @DGworksIvan
    @DGworksIvan 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    print quality is pretty bad in today's standard

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To be honest: I have not really that much comparisson or experience with 3D printing, but the parts seem very solid and work pretty fine.

  • @ausgeknipst
    @ausgeknipst 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey Manu, danke nochmal für das tolle Video!

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sehr gerne. Hat mir viel Spaß gemacht. Die Tage geht es dann mal raus für Panorama Shots. :D Der Dank geht natürlich auch zurück. :-D

  • @EvanHt1
    @EvanHt1 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Damn man 3 Season ? Respect

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Haha! Yes! And there is a lot of material for other seasons on my hard drive. 😅

  • @LilSirAxolotl
    @LilSirAxolotl 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just saw one at the thrift store. But I didn't pick it up because I prefer 35mm film. These pics look so nice though I think I'll go back next week and get it anyway

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It is definitely worth a shot. The gods thing is, that the risks are not that high, because you can get it for very low money. :-)

  • @gacha_drama324
    @gacha_drama324 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I did!

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😃

  • @sharisdsilva143
    @sharisdsilva143 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fujifilm

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nope.

    • @sharisdsilva143
      @sharisdsilva143 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@manugeee ohh 😔

  • @Mr_Fancypants
    @Mr_Fancypants 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I found a clack in a thrift store yesterday and picked up some Ilford B&W film today. Exited to take pictures. Very helpfull video!

  • @stes5429
    @stes5429 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video, but the multicoating was introduced by minolta, not pentax.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks. Seems to be true. I found an article about an early 60s Minolta multicoating lens. Pentax got into it only in the 70s so longer ago.

  • @xXAlmdudlerXx
    @xXAlmdudlerXx 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Shot a roll too but in color. I hope they turn out well as I shot from the hand so perhaps it will be shaky

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I hope your picture will come out well. :)

  • @jadarsan
    @jadarsan 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Have you tried the vintage lens to Leica M then TT artisan Leica M to Nikon Z with 8 bit coding that you can program to various focal length?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Actually I did recently try the TT Artisan 6bit Adapter and it works very similar, even a little better, in terms of changing the focal length for IBIS. The principle is the same. Start from any vintage mount - Go to Leica M Mount via simple adapter - then TT Artisan 6bit Adapter to Nikon Z and then to your camera.

    • @stavros.fourfourianakis
      @stavros.fourfourianakis 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Actually with the last firmware you can program neewer adapter as well, by changing the LENSINFO file (you change focal length - supports also min-max focal length - for zoom lenses also - and max-min aperture). I tested it with my 28mm F2 Voigtlander Ultron and works.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@stavros.fourfourianakis it seems like the beta firmware is now officially released. I had yet no time to test, but I definitely will. :-)

  • @seathanhughes7062
    @seathanhughes7062 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you Manu for this video. Very informative and I have subscribed to stay informed. Can I ask, is the Sony adapter (with the orange ring ) F mount to E mount? Also, this somehow works better than the FTZ adapter? I just bought a Nikon Fz camera and have several old Nikon Ais lenses to play with and the FTZII adapter. Thank you. Auf wiedersehen.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for the comment. My Nikon F to Sony E Adapter (I think it’s from K&C Concept) is a pure mechanical adapter and has no electronics inside. It basically just clutches G Mount Glas into E-Mount cameras/ or Emount Adapters. The Nikon FTZ adapter on the other hand is a mechanical connection and has electronic contacts. That means that AF-D ans AF-S Nikon Lenses can communicate with the camera. But the AF-D lenses need an external motor, so they cannot Autofocus with the FTZ adapters (I and II). But since they communicate, they also give the green MF confirmation box. Unfortunately with older AI-S lenses, without a CPU inside, They also cannot communicate through the FTZ adapters and sadly don’t give the green MF confirmation. I only found the newer adapter and lately the TTartisan Leica M to Nikon Z adapter, which provides MF configuration with non CPU lenses.

    • @seathanhughes7062
      @seathanhughes7062 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@manugeee So, no firmware update yet from Nikon to address this. Thank you Manu for your help! Very much appreciated!

  • @Hawidiehre
    @Hawidiehre 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very intersting video, thank you! What are the pros for manual focusing on the neewer vs the megadap? Thanks

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks! The main difference is, that the megadap does not provide manual focus confirmation with non cpu lenses.

    • @Hawidiehre
      @Hawidiehre 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@manugeee okay thank you, looking forward for your next videos.

  • @EoraTed
    @EoraTed หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for your review - were there any updates or issues to note assuming you have been using this for some time now?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not really. The adapter works as i expect it to. The only thing, I noticed, is that when I manually dial in large apertures into the camera, then the camera will overexpose. So I keep the settings in the top mini display of the camera below 5.6. Also the exposure, when the lens is set to large apertures above f11, the camera starts to underexpose 1/3 or 2/3 of a stop. But that not a real dealbreaker and I only notice it when marking aperture series for the videos.

  • @davegeraghty2187
    @davegeraghty2187 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is this really a CLA - Clean Lube and Adjust? I was expecting actual maintenance measures of the mechanism with a title like this

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I think I have to change the title of the video.

  • @ScottEVOwner
    @ScottEVOwner หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you get the green focus confirmation box to work using the same solution but with the Z6 Camera?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some people said, that it also works with older Z Cameras. I only have the ZF, so I cannot for shure say anything about the others. Do have an Ftz adapter and an older CPU lens for testing? Because there with MF the confirmation also works, but only for CPU lenses. AI-S or older do not have the green box with Ftz adapters.

  • @rudaaaPL
    @rudaaaPL หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where can I but fil for it 😢?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      What? Are you my first bot?

    • @rudaaaPL
      @rudaaaPL หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@manugeee excuse me? I ment where van i buy film for it* or how should i use the camera? I have same one and i want to take it on the vacay...

  • @justcallmesando
    @justcallmesando หลายเดือนก่อน

    You made that R8 shine at the intro. Made me glad to own that same combo 🤩🤩

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much. 😊😊

  • @kylepatterson8564
    @kylepatterson8564 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im just curious, do you happen to know what that little loop is sticking out into the viewfinder? I have an Edixa Mod-D.and mine has the same and ive always wondered what function it serves

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is an indication if the shutter is cocked or not (or not cocked or cocked). :-)

  • @driatros
    @driatros หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is SO interesting! I have one of these and just tested it similarly. This is on a A6300 (APS-C) Bokeh is creamy and not busy in pretty much any apperture. It's sharp all over (APS-C) from F/1.8 to F/11, and from F/2.0 to F/11 it's as sharp as my Zeiss Sonnar 55mm 1.8 (Sony).

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks. Glad you like it. I am actually on my way to the tenth’s episode of the 50 lens tests. :D With APS-C you cut out the filet parts of the lens. But also the higher resolution shows more weaknesses. The older lenses are really very good stopped down a little bit. The Zeiss 55 1.8 is also on my list and will come at some point in future. :D

  • @МаксимМинео
    @МаксимМинео หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wich lense is sharper al f1.4 the Nikon 50mm ai or the Canon fd 50mm? I bought the canon because from a recent test that I saw the Nikon seems not actually f1.4, in this test the nikon 50mm f1.4 ai was compared with the newer version nikon 50mm f1.4d, the older lens was darker (maybe f1.8 - 2 its real value) but it was sharper than the new d version. So it would be a very interesting test between Nikon and Canon

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hard to say at f1.4 both are pretty soft at f1.4. I would say the canon is a little sharper in direct comparison.

  • @ericrjennings
    @ericrjennings หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would this work with the FtZ adapter?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      With Nikon AI-S and older non CPU lenses sadly not. But if you take the AF-D or AF-s lenses with CPU, you can also use them for Manual focussing with AF confirmation.

  • @mauricem.9014
    @mauricem.9014 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ich freu mir gerade nen riesen Ast !!! Mega. Danke dir.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sehr gerne. Du kannst den Trick auch mit dem TTArtisan M to Z Adapter machen. Musst nur alten Anschluss auf Leica M Adaptieren. Der Adapter ist noch etwas robuster und kann Brennweiten für Ibis per Drehrad ändern. Absolut nützlich. Werde ich auf jeden Fall auch nochmal ein Video zu machen :-)

    • @mauricem.9014
      @mauricem.9014 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ich habe mal noch eine ganz andere Frage an dich als ZF user - ich habe das problem, das mein augenautofocus mit dem 40mm f2 oder anderen Linsen nicht auf meine Augen scharfstellt, sondern an meinen Augenbrauen hängenbleibt . Das passiert mir sehr sehr oft. Ist dir die Problematik bekannt? Viele Grüße

  • @fernandocoutinho6661
    @fernandocoutinho6661 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i got one of this lens to use with my Pentax LX body. By comparison with my Nikkor 50mm 1.4 ais and my Canon 50mm f1.2 fnd, i found this lens a dog. It really never gets sharp. I liked the colour rendition but the lack of resolution makes it unusable imho.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hmm… maybe you had a bad copy? Once I had a EF canon 50mm 1.4 which was soft all the way. Even with manual focussing with a mirrorless camera there was no sharp spot. On the other hand the Nikkor is also really nice. The canon I don’t know (yet). 😈😈😈

    • @fernandocoutinho6661
      @fernandocoutinho6661 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@manugeee Thank you for your response. Really appreciate your work and videos. I ve been collecting film cameras and lens for +20years. This pentax SMC 50mm F1.4 M is the lowest resolution lens I ve came across. Even against my old nikkor rangefinder lens from the 50s...I don't really know what a bad copy means. There might be some variation across lens but it shouldn't justify something in particular. Interestingly, I love the colours, contrast and overall rendition of this lens. I also like the feeling and build quality. Even more interestingly, I find the performance in low light at F2 quite good but the the lens never really gets sharp. I just created a flickr account and upload three test rolls for you to see, in case it interests you. Just random photos to try the lens one more time. All photos taken with a Pentax LX and Ultramax 400mm film. flic.kr/s/aHBqjBEvpK flic.kr/s/aHBqjBEAgF flic.kr/s/aHBqjBEAhN

  • @etusuku8848
    @etusuku8848 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video, I am one of the several two persons with a Kowa :) And the lenses are stuck. Maybe some day I will fix them.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your welcome. Nice to hear that the video may help you at some point. :-)

  • @vedranr.glavina7667
    @vedranr.glavina7667 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Superb presentation clearly GERMAN style ! One quick question: I was told that ROM lenses are always a 3 cam lenses. Kindly asking to comment on this. Thank you for your answer. I enherited a Leica R8 from my opa..

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for your compliment. :-) I have looked up a couple of images of the Rom mount and it seems that they really do have the 3-cam. If you want to buy a rom lens for your R8, then check out the mount, if it it really there. Because I am not shure at the moment if there are also rom-only lenses without the cams.

    • @vedranr.glavina7667
      @vedranr.glavina7667 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@manugeee superthanx ! I am very proud that the clear explanation of R/R8 system comes from a German. My Opa was German, my Granma from my mother side too. My Opa and Oma always explained everything German style so that no additional question was necessary in order to clarify.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@vedranr.glavina7667 hmm… that is definitely not how I would describe German style, but thanks. 😉

  • @seoulrydr
    @seoulrydr หลายเดือนก่อน

    tyvm for the video. from your research, would you say the series 'e' version's IQ is as good as the japanese version of the lens? i've heard about the difference in build quality but not image quality. i have the 'e' series version.

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      You´re welcome. :-) Yes, I also rechecked this. The Series-E should have a couple of weaknesses, as I have read. One is the only single coating, then the build quality is almost all plastic and what I really would name a deal breaker is the only 0,6m or 2ft close focus distance. Sharpness wise, it should be comparable. How would you rate yours in terms of wide open sharpness?

    • @seoulrydr
      @seoulrydr หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@manugeee Since it is a vintage lens, it has to be really bad AND I don't like it for me to notice how soft or sharp it is. if it's a vintage lens and it's really bad and i DO like it - i don't care. in this case, it seemed to be sharp enough for the images I've taken with it - night shots using a tripod, mostly. I don't remember having any complaints at all.

  • @flowermaze___
    @flowermaze___ หลายเดือนก่อน

    How someone came up with this is amazing!

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Engineers!!! 👨🏻‍💻😁

  • @flowermaze___
    @flowermaze___ หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great compact review!

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you 😊

  • @iandrucker978
    @iandrucker978 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do I use this method with lenses other than Nikon f mount, would I need to use a different sony adapter for each different lens manufacturer? Say I wanted to use canon lenses would I have to then use the sony to canon adapter ?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, exactly! The trick is, to convert the Nikon into an E-Mount bayonet camera with the newer adapter. The electronic controls are between Nikon and neewer. And now you can use any old lens and get an adapter from „old lens“ to E-Mount.

  • @DeanAllman
    @DeanAllman หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks! Works great! Much appreciated!

  • @sebastianmunoz8635
    @sebastianmunoz8635 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video! Sorry did you know where I can buy the cap? And what it's better? Px27A or the cells box?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      The shop is called Ausgeknipst. They have an own store recently. ausgeknipst.de/ I would recommend the cells box due to the voltage issue with 6V Px27A adapters. With the box you have on the other hand the problem, that after half a year or so, the cells are empty. Also you have to wait a little for the reaction when you open the cells seal, and after some short time the voltage is correct and stays correct a long time. So the cells box is better.

  • @qicheng3342
    @qicheng3342 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this nice tips for manu focus confirm! Really help a lot folks. One question, is K&F adapter necessary to make manu focus confirm to work? If connect E mount manual lens to the neewer adapter directly, will the manual focus confirm work? Thanks!

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi there. Glad, that the video helps you. No, the K&F is only used for the mechanical connection. All the electronics are in the Neewer adapter and the camera. So if you have a sony E-Mount manual focus lens, than you can directly attach it and get focus confirm. Cheers. :-)

    • @qicheng3342
      @qicheng3342 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@manugeee Thanks for the quick reply. I ordered the newer adapter!

    • @qicheng3342
      @qicheng3342 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just got the neewer etz adapter and try the manual focus confirmation. It works! Thanks for the tips! One more question, the manu of the adapter says that you should remove the lens then remove the adapter when you remove it from the camera body. Wonder if the order is important? Can we remove adapter with lens together from the camera body before decpule of the lens from the adapter?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@qicheng3342 i also have no idea why it is written in the manual. Usually I donut as described, but i also unmounted both together and had no problems. 🤷‍♂️

  • @MWSCologne
    @MWSCologne หลายเดือนก่อน

    My first real camera in 198? So many memories ❤

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      :-) Nice to hear, that i brought you some nice memories back.

  • @MWSCologne
    @MWSCologne หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks, just bought this guy for my FM2N I didn’t get on which film you were shooting it?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      That´s a nice combo. I am not totally shure about the film anymore. Is already a year ago. But I am pretty shure, that I brought some Kodak Gold 200 with me to greece. But most of the images for the real testing, I shot adapted on the Sony A7III.

    • @MWSCologne
      @MWSCologne หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@manugeee oh, I’ve got the a7iii as well and was just wondering if these lenses could be used….

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MWSCologne yes of course. The great thing about mirrorless cameras is, that they have no mirror anymore. So the flange distance from mount to sensor is much smaller. Therefore SLR lenses just need an adapter that provides mechanical connection and the right flange distance. Just look for Nikon F to Sony E Adapters. They come in basically every combination.

    • @MWSCologne
      @MWSCologne หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@manugeee thanks

  • @mauricem.9014
    @mauricem.9014 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Danke dir!! Sehr sehr nützlich!!! Kann es kaum erwarten, dass das Teil bei mir im Briefkasten landet! Viele Grüße!

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sehr gerne. Viel Spaß damit. :-) Ich hab jetzt bald mein erstes Video mit nem Objektivtest fertig, dass nur damit geschossen wurde und es ist wirklich ne ganze Ecke angenehmer. Aber rumhüpfende Kinder bleiben auch damit stressig. ;-) Ich hoffe es wird bald auch noch ein offizielles Firmware Update kommen. Ich hab vom Neewer Support noch ne Beta Firmware bekommen, die auch IBIS unterstützt, weil dann die Brennweite zur Kamera übertragbar ist. Ist zwar harkelig in der Beta, aber macht vor allem die Fokuslupe nochmal angenehmer.

  • @chrisbaudeg3233
    @chrisbaudeg3233 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We need an executive summary!

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have made an update video on this adapter and features provided with a beta firmware version. But to make it short: It works, as explained. I only noticed, that i cannot set up high apperture values on the camera, because then the exposure gets off. Also high apperture values on the lens let the exposure change a little with automatic exposure setups. A little strange, but you can compensate with the exposure compensation dial.

  • @paulsharp1712
    @paulsharp1712 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there any reason to unmount the adapters in sequence? ie remove F - E adapter, then remove the Neewer adapter from camera? Or is it ok to leave the lens and adapters assembled and remove as one from the camera?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      First the one hand it is said in the manual to unmount first the lens, then the adapter. But i did not notice any problems when unmount both at the same time. But for the case of using it with different focal lenght you need to attach it with the computer and therefore you need to unmount the adapter from camera and lens.

  • @paulsharp1712
    @paulsharp1712 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool, I have a 43mm F1.9 Pentax lens I'd like to adapt, would it be easy to reprogram the adapter for those values?

    • @manugeee
      @manugeee หลายเดือนก่อน

      It should be. But I have heard, that there is a next beta firmware 1.7.0 which did not work that well anymore.