Why this Oldie is the Most DANGEROUS Doping Doctor Ever
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- Michele Ferrari, Eufemiano Fuentes or Richard Freeman are some of the most famous doping doctors in history who treated cyclists such as Lance Armstrong, Tyler Hamilton or Michael Rogers. However, a much more dangerous doctor has been working since 1972 doping cyclists of all kinds, from Mathieu van der Poel's grandfather to Laurent Fignon, Frankie Vandenbroucke or Richard Virenque through cyclists and athletes of the last 10 years.
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Great Video, and Dr. Mabuse is pronounced like Mah-boo-ze. 🙂
Dr conconi is the grand daddy
A real boat anchor... Classic.
Your channel has quickly become one of my go to channels. Line the wit, sarcasm & of course, the nicknames
Dr. Cecchini seems to be a good hearted man who wants to help anyone, including family members!
A good reminder that doping did not begin with Lance 😂
In 30 40 50 and the 60s morfin was popular. Amfetamin too. Nikotin pills.
Reupload for you friends of the channel! You too, Bjarne!
Tomorrow we'll try to give you the best of Dauphiné 2024!
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I was talking about MVDP with my brother the other day and he told me he was certainly not doped since he is the grand son of Raymond Poulidor (we are French) and therefore has values. I was laughing because if he knew Poulidor himself was doped, he would have a heart attack.
A lot of people are quick to claim that cyclist's times are dropping because of advances in science and bike technology, but claiming that doping techonology and science has also advance is somehow blasphemy??
You mean heavier bikes yeah right
"Doping technology" Do you even know how biology actually works... ?
Nah. It’s just that there’s no point watching cycling and worrying about doping. You have to believe it or not watch it. It’s a pretty simple choice .
@@Tarmaccyclocross we now have shorter cranks to compensate for that.
In general to enjoy cycling you either belive that everyone is clean until proven wrong or that everyone is juiced to the same point. Regarding times dropping we are not really seeing that much, many hill record are still standing since the '90 or early 2000 (for example pogacar vs pantani time at oropa ecc.). The hour record did drop alot but there the new technology are light-years ahead. Race times did get lower but also the avarege rider (domestic/gregario) is strongher compared to the past.
Some fun facts:
1947: US Navy published paper on blood transfusions for pilots at high altitude.
1985: IOC banned blood transfusions without any test to catch anybody and only after Olympic cyclists from 1984 admitted to doing it.
I also heard amphetamines were used by many soldiers and airmen in WWII. It's crazy how acceptable things become during war.
The early transfusion protocols were very hit & miss with some academic studies suggesting very few gains. In sporting terms the 68 'Altitude Olympics' acted as a catalyst. Look at the Finns dominating 70s distance running via altitude training and transfusions, or was it reindeer milk? The expense and medical requirements kept it exclusive, for state backed amateurs only. The US landed the 84 Olympics and invested heavily in a cycling plan, poaching Eddy B from Poland c.78. I think around 1/3 of US cyclists were blood-packing at LA 84.
@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660the german army were also issued drugs as standard for ww2. Very normal at the time
You should see Icarus, a 2017 documentary film about doping in cycling. Bryan Fogel, the film director and writer, is also an high-level amateur cyclist who joins cycling races. He decides to try a doping program but he needs to find someone to guide him through a doping protocol. He eventually connects with a russian scientist named Grigory Rodchenkov, which was the director of the Moscow Anti-Doping Laboratory. Grigory agrees to help Bryan and designs a protocol that will allow him to take banned performance-enhancing drugs. When Bryan returns to race Haute Route Alps his doped performance was not enough to beat the fastest riders 😂
I watched it but the conclussion is wrong
The real thing is his rivals are better doped! Also, probably that russian gave him the 2000s basic doping pack, not the Isinbayeva premium one
@@cyclinghighlights "Isinbayeva premium one"🤣🤣Your videos are too funny 😅
Agree, I saw the film once. Don't recall very well the ending, like I know the russian had to flee to the USA and went into hiding. But yeah Bryan received the starter pack protocol 💉🧚♂
EXACTLY why LANCE was EXECUTED by his opponents….THEIR best “OCTANE” was enough for sheer will power, ability, AND training regimen MATCHED with their own Dr.Ferrari;-P
@@danielneves6855 that was a good docu. I watched many years ago
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Is that the Russian scientist now in hiding lest he gets assassinated?
Last doctor's recipe sounds like a winner.
Whoever doped Lauren Jalabert is #1 in my book..He won just about everything in ‘95-‘99..
Dr Mabuse? The #1!
Yes, went from pure sprinter to best climber of the tour.... now he is on French television, what a disgrace (thank god there is Eurosport), and he avoids any comments about doping...
@@nftos yes, dr.ferrari was an amateur in comparison.
I call my girlfriend a boat anchor when we hit the mountains, thanks for that one ;)
This is your best video yet.
I love the sport. Been true for more than 40 years but I am so sick of the continued denial of the distinction.
Best one yet
Friend of the channel...... :)
Poor Tugboat got one of Tyler's BBs transfused. I hope he is OK
Your content lately has been top notch.
Thanks again mate, keep going!
Just waiting to see when Pogacar will he added to this list. The pattern is visibly similar.
Better sports through science!
(Wot, no Danes? I thought there’s always a Dane?)
Thanks!
Thank you very much!
It is funny how there is a bit reading between the lines on some riders who are not named but were riding on the same teams and same years and same coaches and doctors.
Fucking best channel on TH-cam!!!!
Dr Ferrari was the best.
That intro doctor scene..if you know you know! Love it
I trained for decades. I had a level of performance which diminished in the plateaus and sudden dips that is diagnostic of long term diminishing abilities. A blood test revealed low iron levels. Fixed. My abilities improved 15%. Can beat anything I did twenty years back.
No veterinarian out of the little flemish village Wontergem? i am dissapointed
That clip @2:02 LOL. Where do you find these? Also worth mentioning that Polidor (grand-daddy of MvDP) was completely done and preparing to retire at 35 in 1971 before Dr. Mabuse convinced him otherwise and began working with him. And not just P-N at 36. 2nd in TdF at 38, and 3rd at 40. Horner-esque.
It's from the Tour de Pharmacy movie
@@cyclinghighlights dunno how i missed that. thanks. I assumed it was a porn film.
wait, I know that doctor in the intro...and that patient, too!
Ahh the good old days
Irony right
Best cycling channel on utube, wish i could win the Van Rysel 😂
The laws of physics doesn't add up 60kilo pro climbers have more power for TT s than 80 kilo specialist .
Just drugging the lads younger than before in late 20s -30s. Notice they only have 3 years at top before a better drug comes about off other team.Make the cash while they can
a simple gregario unable to climb a railway bridge. ouch.
The TRUTH!!!
LOVE ALL THE INFO YOU GIVE US!!!!
I've actually been doing a real deep dive into doping this past year and I use a lot of your content as a starting point. This video was great cos it gave us many Dr's names. With your info I start out with a simple Google search and from there the info comes POURING IN
I see people saying your content is "nothing but innuendo" or "not based on facts" etc etc but I wish people would research it themselves. I've always known about the doping in cycling (I've followed the sport since late 80s) but this past year I've actually done REAL research. I've learned A LOT!! It's informative and it's fun. Now I blow people away with names, facts, incidents, science etc. I still get cursed out every time I mention the VERY questionable things we are seeing in the sport😂😂 but people need to wake up and smell the EPO!!!
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PS) MAY I ASK . . . what is your background? How are you so knowledgeable on this? You have SOOOO MUCH knowledge it's inspiring and very interesting but I don't know how you can retain all this knowledge unless you were or are involved in the sport. I'd love to know your background and why you chose to take this on in the public arena. It's very commendable. (Love the humour as well mate)
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It's my passion
Weird one but my passion mate, thanks for your comment
@@cyclinghighlights good on ya. I don't think it's an odd one at all. Cycling is my passion and I've come to really enjoy doing the research I've been doing on the doping subject and I have you to thank for that because your videos are quite often my starting point. VERY informative. I made a list of the Drs you named here (the ones I could come close enough to the correct spelling😂) and I am starting the research into them already. The riders connected to these Drs isn't necessarily stunning but most people don't realize which questionable Drs certain riders use
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@@kennykaniffI complement this channel with a novel called "pedaling in hell", written by the spanish journalist Jorge Quintana. I dunno if it's available in English but if it is, I highly recommend it, it's quite informative although both have destroyed my faith in clean cycling.
@@yakobcdiego thank you. That's helpful to get further literature. I'm not worried about destroying my faith in "clean" cycling. That's been gone for years lol. I think it was in March of 2015 a CIRC report was issued TO the UCI and one professional says that 90% of the peloton is doping in one form of another. CIRC is Cycling Independent Reform Commission and the report is 227 pages. I've not read the entire report yet but I have read many pages focused on how doping is done. EPO micro dosing was what riders switched to when the bio passport (ABP) was implemented. Before ABP riders were NOT micro dosing and it gave them 10% gains but with micro dosing they can dose in the evening and by the next day at 6am they can test completely clean. Micro dosing gives 3-5% gains and the logic of the riders is that is "clean" cycling. But remember this was published in 2015 so the advancements made 10 years later are going to be astronomical. Especially with how advanced science and technology has become and the amount of money in the sport nowadays!!! I could go on but I digress.
Thanks for the name of the book
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@@cyclinghighlights I don't want to bother you any more but what is your view on the 2015 CIRC report issued to the UCI? Incomplete? Complete? Biased? Unbiased?
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Only true doping doctors have a 'pet cyclist'. 😂
See Greg Lemond please
No "love" for Conconi?
I was expecting Conconi to be number 1.
The narrator sounds like the guy from the How it's made series.
I thought Chris froome was your idol….
Please, not Sagan? What about Horner, that I can believe?
Don't do a friend of the channel like that 😂
leave off, Chris from turned son the TUEs when he was told to take them
5:42 Classico Man Luigi was Thomas Dekker, or ? At least he claimed he was. (or was he paid for this statement from Cancellara :-D ?)
There were 2 clasiccoman in Ufe/Luigi papers
@@cyclinghighlights okay, thanks for clarifying. I didn't know that!
Sky doped and still managed to be boring
This list is highly immoral. How can you leave out the legendary Conconi? An old Italian man just wanting some confirmation of his work in the fall of his life! It is like ranking the best Corleones and leave out Vito! Shame
Ha ha, the best doping docs are the ones you haven’t heard about. This has been around long before the 70s and still rampant today. Been there, seen that, wake up and just enjoy the racing entertainment and quit asking questions.
Mark Cavendish's burner account?
lol no. You don’t even have to be his level to have seen and know this stuff.
wake up? lol please elaborate because I fail to see what we're all missing here.
I actually agree with that. The Drs we DON'T know about that are NOT on anyone's radar that are breaking into new areas of doping and bringing in new regimens, developing new cocktails and exploring new science etc etc. Those are the ones that are truly worth their weight in gold. Who wants to work with or be connected to a Dr that has "history"??
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@@kennykaniffyeah ok. I’m a nobody in the sport and I can get EPO tomorrow from a guy you’ve also never heard of. And there are thousands of these kinds of “situationships” hidden in plain sight from the naive.
Pro Cycling is to this day totally disgusting. What could have been one of the most pure, athletic example of sport, has been dessimated still to this day. No Thanks.
I enjoyed the dopers of the past just as much the dopers of today..😂
"What could have been one of the most pure, athletic example of sport" I agree, sadly that is a long gone position to take with sport , when "money" is involved, in my opinion most professional sports will do anything it takes, take any measure to succeed and to win. they will bend the rules beyond comprehension, and employ the best lawyers to help them, in their scam, it is in their interest financially to succeed, to win, and they have the finances to fund this, god help anyone who tries to hold them accountable, In cycling we need more like researchers Paul Kimmage who went above and beyond to flush out the cheaters.
All pro sport is doped even fairy footballers