I don't know how lynch can be so positive playing a meme deck while the other guy is taking back 3 shots and playing with a sweaty deck with ancient tomb and dual lands lmao.
@@IHateYourDeckit's definitely the reason why I loved the episode and will continue supporting your channel. I was worried at the beggining of the discussion as it looked like Roper was about to lose due to the take backsies but I'm glad you allowed the 3rd one without punishment, he seems to be a cool guy and definitely did not have bad intentions on that, maybe he was a little nervous while playing but that's it. Anyways, I'm glad the game wasn't a loss for Roper. 😊
@@IHateYourDeck we play like 6 player free for all and the ammount of take backs during the game is so frustrating, i would love to play in a setting like this. our games take easily 2-3 hrs per game
Really wanted to see roper lose to the take back shots lol you could see it on his face he was so nervous on that third one. Next time just gotta keep it pushing after a misplay.
In my casual pod, takebacks are common and most of the time allowed on small stuff, we all enjoy seeing each other have good plays. That being said, when you're really putting elbow grease into your board and popping off very fast and very threateningly, you can't ask for takebacks. ESPECIALLY three times. It's just bad form really, read the room.
How do you run a combat centric deck like GG&S and not ask about flyers or what possible blocks? Just take your misplays and become a better player for it. You can't be lazy just because you're ahead. And also complaining about not being able to take something back or asking for a redo when you're so far ahead just feels kinda like a tantrum
Man seeing those misplays roper did and on his 3rd take back should have been a loss for him why have a rule if the third take back happens you lose? Just pay attention to the board state.
I love how Lynch spoke to Roper. He was patient and clearly communicated. It’s unfortunate the last take back was accepted. Those rules are clear here on this channel. It’s ok to make a mistake. It’s ok to laugh it off. You were being oppressive all game, Roper. It would have only been fair to hold yourself to the standards of the channel and also accept when the table clearly communicates their boundaries.
I'm with the table. Roper should have lost, haha. All good though. His deck definitely went off and scary Larry wasn't so scary this week. Great video.
I played against a Goldberry deck where they were just kept stealing my creatures with an enchantment. It was so cool to see! That Goro deck is great. Might build it!
Roper shouldn’t have been allowed that last take back if he didn’t want to lose. One more dragon doesn’t do anything for him at that point in the game.
Loved your idea of the take backsies die. Too bad you didnt follow through. The one misplay wouldnt make a difference at this point, Larry would have died either way. Tbh in my experience games are even more fun when I am sure i win but then f up majorly due to my own miscalculation 😅
Very one sided game. I feel like nobody told Roper it was a goofy casual game and he came with his best deck. Was really looking forward to seeing Larry pilot that Zalto deck too.
Roper a true try hard. It wouldve been much more entertaining seeing someone lose from the 3 take back shot rule than someone not owning up to their misplays.
Good game up until that 3rd take back. I get doing additional minor take backs if you're the underdog but when it's game ending swings...just bad form. Would have loved to see Larry or Lynch finally get a good turn in.
SAME. It's my pet deck so I always am happy to see it in content but DANG it doesn't get done justice in some videos. It's a fun deck, I can't suggest it more!
I found it weird you asked if the table was okay with legal universe beyond cards. 50% of sets recently have been universes beyond. Thus most new magic players will most likely be using universe beyond at least in a few cards.
Doesn’t GGanS only make 1 dragon even if two creatures attack two different players since it says “one or more”? I could be mistaken but I also play this kinda deck and I’m 99% sure that I was told since it says “one or more” it’s only one dragon?
Think Lynchh would have gotten the terror to flip if i'm not wrong. He didnt have to do the shenans moving the age counter from hall of mist on the last turn coz it was the last turn, no point wasting mana on that coz it's do or die. The extra mana would have allowed him to cast an instant/sorc then flip thing in the ice, bouncing everything. Wouldnt have won him the game but would have had it continue on. Shame, was hoping Larry would've spotted that (unless i myself am missing something)
I'm confused by the GG&S trigger, shouldn't it only be triggering once? Also, shouldn't the age counters on other permanents still matter (so Lynch should still be paying the mana for the other permanents to hang around)?
The cumulative upkeep is what makes you pay for the age counters. On any other card the age counters are counters without a function. GG&S triggers once per player. Not once per attacking creature.
The trigger on Goro-Goro and Satoru reads "one or more creatures [...] deal combat damage to a player", so it triggers once per player. (If it said "one or more players", it would be just once for the damage step.) As for the age counters on the Island, the counters do nothing by themselves. It's the rules text of cumulative upkeep that cares about them. But the Island doesn't have cumulative upkeep, so stacking age counters on it doesn't make a difference.
1. The GG&S triggers once for each player attacked ("a player" instead of "one or more players") 2. It would, if the island also had a cumulative upkeep trigger, which it doesn't. Other cards have cum. upkeeps with pay 2 life or pay U. The counters themselves don't do anything
Imo universe beyond is fine now especially because how there are mechanically unique cards stuck in those sets. Orcish bowmaster hello? (Bowmaster, radstorm, lotho (?), mirkwood bats, the master, those are all i can think of easily)
It should only be one dragon. It's "Whenever one or more creatures you control" not "Whenever A creature you control." That means it doesn't matter how many creatures it is, you only get 1 dragon.
@@evanfoster5843You're missing an important piece of the text. "Whenever one or more creatures deals combat damage TO A PLAYER..." That means if two creatures enter and they hit different opponents, one each, then it procs twice. See similar; Professional Face-Breaker
Terror's "ward" isn't actually ward, it specifies that spells cost 3 life to target - channeling is an ability, not a spell, this terror's ability doesn't see it need the 3 life
Hey guy, I’m a new player and I own no decks yet. I really like Kaalia but I don’t want to spent over £100 on a deck. Do I just buy a precon ? Or is there somewhere that will sell custom decks without it being loads of money please?
I don’t get why they let him alter his combat step when he had already assigned attackers so that he could kill Larry. Isn’t that a take back in itself?
"Whenever one or more creatures [...] deal combat damage to a player". So it triggers once per player ("a player"), regardless of how many creatures hit that player ("one or more creatures").
Because it is "one or more creatures", but "a player", not "one or more players". So it triggers once for each player, regardless of number of attacking creatures
Lynch Goldberry could be built back better! You are wasting those counters! They could be turned into damage or on board power bud! I would love to see her come back with some more teeth.
Sort of. If he hits two different opponents, each with a creature that ETB'd this turn, it would trigger once for each creature. The clause is telling you that you can't trigger it multiple times per opponent. It will only be one dragon *per opponent* Its the same reason you can draw multiple cards off Keeper of Fables during one combat.
Roper deserves some slack, I think he was just nervous and that's understandable. Went slightly too far arguing it though. Mistake - move on. Great table talk again.
MISSPLAY??: larry pinged loyal and roper at th-cam.com/video/cbE5UqoQ9zE/w-d-xo.html didnt remove it... so ... the attack wasnt possible at all ... or did i miss something ?? goro creates indeed more than one tokens that would be ok ... but the rest is just messed up and lynch ma boi xD never holding back mana as a blue player just bashing out everyhting xD xD cant read 175 comments if this is a double and sb mentioned the loyal apprentince didnt go to graveyard
A lot of people complaining about Roper's take backsies but in the end does it really matter? The dude seems to be a little bit nervous, call it his opponents, call it the camera effect, call it his persona, whatever, he just seems to be nervous and hence, the misplays declaring attackers. It's a casual game between friends, not a tournament, and the "Gathering" should be more important than winning or losing a game. Focusing too much on this rules/consequences game can definitely kill the mood of the table. Finally, Roper was already ahead and about to win and they all knew that, I bet that is the reason why Lynch allowed the 3rd take backsies without punishment. Does it really make you people feel good if the "about to win" player is taken out by some loophole in the house rules? At least for me, I would rather allow the take backsies than have a win I didn't deserve. In the end, it's just a game with friends, and it should remain like that. 😊
Why cyclo rift in sec main phase? 😂 It burn your hand? You just need to play it at the end of turn of randy and all swing everywhere at your turn you win the game! So many roll back and missplay! 🤦
Why is it that when Larry is on, everyone looks so mustache less, like I can see they could have one but he has the king mono red stache, all others look non existent
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Ropers gotta learn to eat a misplay. We all do it, suck it up and move on.
Yeah definitely started getting irritating watching him try to constantly take back plays cause he wasn’t paying attention to the board.
💯
For real, he was so far ahead anyway.
It makes you a better player when you eat those misplays
To be fair, he DID eat something
I don't know how lynch can be so positive playing a meme deck while the other guy is taking back 3 shots and playing with a sweaty deck with ancient tomb and dual lands lmao.
You have a point, still he made it a 1v3 at this point and the guys were just not able to stop him haha
Gotta love a mature conversation about table etiquette where no one freaks out over a goddamn game lol
Def important to remember this is a game. Let's have fun.
@@IHateYourDeckit's definitely the reason why I loved the episode and will continue supporting your channel.
I was worried at the beggining of the discussion as it looked like Roper was about to lose due to the take backsies but I'm glad you allowed the 3rd one without punishment, he seems to be a cool guy and definitely did not have bad intentions on that, maybe he was a little nervous while playing but that's it.
Anyways, I'm glad the game wasn't a loss for Roper. 😊
@@IHateYourDeckThis is why your channel is my all time favorite for EDH ❤
@@IHateYourDeck we play like 6 player free for all and the ammount of take backs during the game is so frustrating, i would love to play in a setting like this. our games take easily 2-3 hrs per game
Really wanted to see roper lose to the take back shots lol you could see it on his face he was so nervous on that third one. Next time just gotta keep it pushing after a misplay.
Dude needs to just own his misplays
Holy shit, Roper is sweating so hard at a chill table.
What I was thinking lmao
They should have screened decks before playing. Three durdle decks against free dragon tokens is a bit much.
In my casual pod, takebacks are common and most of the time allowed on small stuff, we all enjoy seeing each other have good plays.
That being said, when you're really putting elbow grease into your board and popping off very fast and very threateningly, you can't ask for takebacks.
ESPECIALLY three times.
It's just bad form really, read the room.
How do you run a combat centric deck like GG&S and not ask about flyers or what possible blocks? Just take your misplays and become a better player for it. You can't be lazy just because you're ahead.
And also complaining about not being able to take something back or asking for a redo when you're so far ahead just feels kinda like a tantrum
Man seeing those misplays roper did and on his 3rd take back should have been a loss for him why have a rule if the third take back happens you lose? Just pay attention to the board state.
im a simple man i see scary larry and i klick
let's start a club
Roper was a try hard in a casual setting, hate to see it, randy was trying not to call him out but his face said it all
dude brought a bazooka to a paper fight and the questionable take backs :P
Roper needs to buy stock in hot sauce. Way too many take backs and misplays
I love how Lynch spoke to Roper. He was patient and clearly communicated. It’s unfortunate the last take back was accepted. Those rules are clear here on this channel. It’s ok to make a mistake. It’s ok to laugh it off. You were being oppressive all game, Roper. It would have only been fair to hold yourself to the standards of the channel and also accept when the table clearly communicates their boundaries.
finaly some tackback shots...i missed those lately
They say blood is thiccer than water but nothing is thiccer than goldberrys thighs
I'm a simple person. I see the legendary kill-stache, I watch.
I am a simple man, I see Larry in the thumbnail and I watch it.
lmfao in the thumbnail it looked like Radaghast inbetween Roper and Randy was a 5th player in the pod 😂
That's funny. Can't unsee that.
Dear Santa, ill skip every single gift for a lifetime if you let Roper stay home in the future.
Stache man is king. Not a fan of roper.
DISK! my all time fav card! Pair it with a bounce effect and it is golden. Thanks for playing it Larry
I'm with the table. Roper should have lost, haha. All good though. His deck definitely went off and scary Larry wasn't so scary this week. Great video.
Man Roper was already in such a winning state and yet had the audacity to argue on takebacks bruh
Not happy to see Roper take 5000 takesy backesies. But also surprised to see such little interaction from the table...
Good advice Larry. I keep summoning sick creatures on the second row with artifacts and enchantments until the end of my turn.
For real. Def doing that with my play group next week
Larry is just going through every possible mono colored commander.... it's great though cause no matter what it's always spiiiice
Even though Lynch didnt win I absolutley loved his deck!! Would love to see him bring this one back and see the shenanigans he could have done :p
Happy to see someone play Goldberry😊 the niven mention was nice too (my fave author)
I played against a Goldberry deck where they were just kept stealing my creatures with an enchantment. It was so cool to see! That Goro deck is great. Might build it!
We all need Larry merch
Something like scary larry with a mustache on the shirt
I learned something new with every episode
Roper shouldn’t have been allowed that last take back if he didn’t want to lose. One more dragon doesn’t do anything for him at that point in the game.
Loved your idea of the take backsies die. Too bad you didnt follow through. The one misplay wouldnt make a difference at this point, Larry would have died either way.
Tbh in my experience games are even more fun when I am sure i win but then f up majorly due to my own miscalculation 😅
Very one sided game. I feel like nobody told Roper it was a goofy casual game and he came with his best deck. Was really looking forward to seeing Larry pilot that Zalto deck too.
Roper a true try hard. It wouldve been much more entertaining seeing someone lose from the 3 take back shot rule than someone not owning up to their misplays.
Yeahhhh, There was a lack of communication during the rule 0 I think lol. Those decks were nowhere close in power level.
Good game up until that 3rd take back. I get doing additional minor take backs if you're the underdog but when it's game ending swings...just bad form. Would have loved to see Larry or Lynch finally get a good turn in.
It didn't look like roper and randy shook hands haha 👀
Lmao he’s dominating and doing take backs that’s wild
Im actually hyped to see that dude pilot goro goro / satoru. Its been a commander on my mind for building
It should be crazy fast. I love my goro goro / satoru.
SAME. It's my pet deck so I always am happy to see it in content but DANG it doesn't get done justice in some videos. It's a fun deck, I can't suggest it more!
I found it weird you asked if the table was okay with legal universe beyond cards. 50% of sets recently have been universes beyond. Thus most new magic players will most likely be using universe beyond at least in a few cards.
Always love to see Larry at the table
was a rough watch of arch enemy. every time you guys had a chance to swipe the board just taken away.
No ones gona say Larry looks like the guy from My Name Is Earl? Lol
lmao roper dying inside on that third takes backsie was pure gold
get gud roper
How can we get the decklist for Giro-Goro and Satoru? That deck was awesome to watch.
Anyone feel like Roper didn’t remember Randy’s name lol.
No more Roper pls
Doesn’t GGanS only make 1 dragon even if two creatures attack two different players since it says “one or more”? I could be mistaken but I also play this kinda deck and I’m 99% sure that I was told since it says “one or more” it’s only one dragon?
I’m glad the table educate resolved things. I would’ve watched roper lose if he was playing with me
Think Lynchh would have gotten the terror to flip if i'm not wrong. He didnt have to do the shenans moving the age counter from hall of mist on the last turn coz it was the last turn, no point wasting mana on that coz it's do or die. The extra mana would have allowed him to cast an instant/sorc then flip thing in the ice, bouncing everything. Wouldnt have won him the game but would have had it continue on. Shame, was hoping Larry would've spotted that (unless i myself am missing something)
I'm confused by the GG&S trigger, shouldn't it only be triggering once? Also, shouldn't the age counters on other permanents still matter (so Lynch should still be paying the mana for the other permanents to hang around)?
The cumulative upkeep is what makes you pay for the age counters. On any other card the age counters are counters without a function.
GG&S triggers once per player. Not once per attacking creature.
The trigger on Goro-Goro and Satoru reads "one or more creatures [...] deal combat damage to a player", so it triggers once per player. (If it said "one or more players", it would be just once for the damage step.)
As for the age counters on the Island, the counters do nothing by themselves. It's the rules text of cumulative upkeep that cares about them. But the Island doesn't have cumulative upkeep, so stacking age counters on it doesn't make a difference.
From what I can tell age counters themselves don't do anything, it's the cumulative upkeep that cares about the amount of age counters.
1. The GG&S triggers once for each player attacked ("a player" instead of "one or more players")
2. It would, if the island also had a cumulative upkeep trigger, which it doesn't. Other cards have cum. upkeeps with pay 2 life or pay U. The counters themselves don't do anything
Imo universe beyond is fine now especially because how there are mechanically unique cards stuck in those sets. Orcish bowmaster hello?
(Bowmaster, radstorm, lotho (?), mirkwood bats, the master, those are all i can think of easily)
Hey, curious if all historical decklists are kept on your Patreon?
Of course!!!! Yes they are. All of them.
I love an IHYD upload 😍
Too bad Larrys Deck couldn't do much, looks interesting!
Why goro goro did 2 dragons on the first attack? He says one or more so it should have been 1
Just to know if i understood goro goro wrong
Ok i readed carefully gorogoro and understood the card after reading thw card... 😅
It should only be one dragon. It's "Whenever one or more creatures you control" not "Whenever A creature you control." That means it doesn't matter how many creatures it is, you only get 1 dragon.
@@evanfoster5843You're missing an important piece of the text. "Whenever one or more creatures deals combat damage TO A PLAYER..."
That means if two creatures enter and they hit different opponents, one each, then it procs twice.
See similar; Professional Face-Breaker
This one just seemed so one sided been a lot of that lately what happened to turn 0 no way goro goro is the same power level as those other decks
How did channeling ignore the ward effect? I couldn't find definite answer on it
It doesn’t say target.
@@IHateYourDeck The card does target. but its an ability that is being used and not a spell.
Terror's "ward" isn't actually ward, it specifies that spells cost 3 life to target - channeling is an ability, not a spell, this terror's ability doesn't see it need the 3 life
@@IHateYourDeck Otawara does Target. Terror says spells your opponent cast that target. And channel isnt casting its using a ability
Because it's an ability of the card in hand, channeling isn't casting
HUhh.. FIRST larry game with ZERO shennanigans :s
Never skip rule 0 conversation
Hey guy, I’m a new player and I own no decks yet. I really like Kaalia but I don’t want to spent over £100 on a deck. Do I just buy a precon ? Or is there somewhere that will sell custom decks without it being loads of money please?
If you don’t want to downs money print proxies so you can enjoy playing without paying.
What if i just bought milk 🥛 into the show 😂
#84 is still your best. This one was a bit painful to watch both game wise and in terms of fun. Either way, can't win them all. Keep it up
Anyone know where they got the red dice from?
Hype for goldberry and zalto weird obscure strategies love it
The Vibe totally dropped after the rift…and the take back. Oh and the second take back oh and the third…Dude eat it and move on.
Shouldn’t he only make one 5/5 dragon a combat? Since it’s one or more you make a dragon, not for each creature make a dragon?
why is it such a biggie that the thopter gets blocked? it's not like that's a massive change no?
It would mean Larry lives to board wipe.
Can any level in the patreon see the decklist?
Tier 3 and up!
I don’t get why they let him alter his combat step when he had already assigned attackers so that he could kill Larry. Isn’t that a take back in itself?
Curious, "whenever one or more" -hit 2 players each with one creature, that's one or more.
Doesn't that mean 1 trigger not 2?
"Whenever one or more creatures [...] deal combat damage to a player". So it triggers once per player ("a player"), regardless of how many creatures hit that player ("one or more creatures").
From what I found it's per player. Also double strike gets you double the tokens since it's per instance of damage delt.
Because it is "one or more creatures", but "a player", not "one or more players". So it triggers once for each player, regardless of number of attacking creatures
Never bring back Roper
Is Roper this nervous for some reason or is he tweaking?
just not a fan of cyclonic rift
Lynch Goldberry could be built back better! You are wasting those counters! They could be turned into damage or on board power bud! I would love to see her come back with some more teeth.
Goro Goro and Satoru says "whenever 1 or more", so Roper would not make two dragons for attacking two players. It's always one.
Sort of.
If he hits two different opponents, each with a creature that ETB'd this turn, it would trigger once for each creature.
The clause is telling you that you can't trigger it multiple times per opponent. It will only be one dragon *per opponent*
Its the same reason you can draw multiple cards off Keeper of Fables during one combat.
larry the GOAT
Roper deserves some slack, I think he was just nervous and that's understandable. Went slightly too far arguing it though. Mistake - move on. Great table talk again.
So Roper is not coming back to IHYD…. 😂
MISSPLAY??: larry pinged loyal and roper at th-cam.com/video/cbE5UqoQ9zE/w-d-xo.html didnt remove it... so ... the attack wasnt possible at all ... or did i miss something ??
goro creates indeed more than one tokens that would be ok ... but the rest is just messed up
and lynch ma boi xD never holding back mana as a blue player just bashing out everyhting xD xD
cant read 175 comments if this is a double and sb mentioned the loyal apprentince didnt go to graveyard
So how did Roper not lose for 3 takebacks?
that one doesn't feel great with those take back asterisks
Bet you wish you kept that mana drain😂
Roper isn't getting an invite back, that is plain to see.
A lot of people complaining about Roper's take backsies but in the end does it really matter? The dude seems to be a little bit nervous, call it his opponents, call it the camera effect, call it his persona, whatever, he just seems to be nervous and hence, the misplays declaring attackers.
It's a casual game between friends, not a tournament, and the "Gathering" should be more important than winning or losing a game. Focusing too much on this rules/consequences game can definitely kill the mood of the table.
Finally, Roper was already ahead and about to win and they all knew that, I bet that is the reason why Lynch allowed the 3rd take backsies without punishment. Does it really make you people feel good if the "about to win" player is taken out by some loophole in the house rules? At least for me, I would rather allow the take backsies than have a win I didn't deserve.
In the end, it's just a game with friends, and it should remain like that. 😊
Roper not taking ancient tomb damage
Goro goro creates one dragon at a time if i'm not mistaken
we need radagas back !!!!!!plz
Think before you act.
Why cyclo rift in sec main phase? 😂 It burn your hand? You just need to play it at the end of turn of randy and all swing everywhere at your turn you win the game! So many roll back and missplay! 🤦
Roper really bro over 1 trigger that doesn't matter if you get another dragon come on one more turn you whwn anyway
Was enjoying it until the Cyclonic Rift hit the stack. Scooped aand out
That roper dude is weird
Maybe just eat a few misplays. it makes you better at magic.
Why is it that when Larry is on, everyone looks so mustache less, like I can see they could have one but he has the king mono red stache, all others look non existent
Roper....come on man. It's just a game.
Yea, that win is questionable.......
Misplay all game. Roper only makes 1 dragon no matter how many creatures dealt damage. And roper never scry 2 like his card says
Actually if you read the card it's one dragon per player dealt damage:))