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Somehow I picture this being said by a VA director to the actors when they auditioned and he had them play out a scene. And the director looks like J Jonah Jameson.
This dlc made me love Haze. Which I didn't know would happen because I didn't care about her in the main game but now I feel depressed. Haze deserve better then cards she was dealt with
Nice video. I wanted to talk about one thing though, specifically the Jin teaming up with Malos piece and how people can't understand why he'd team up with Malos. For starters, if you really think about it, Malos had nothing to do with Lora's death besides wrecking Torna and even then one could argue that it was mostly Mythra in the end who destroyed it. I don't think Jin was ever tied to Torna like he was tied to Lora, after all he spent most of his life with her on the run there so it makes sense that he might not hold a huge grudge against Malos for that. Secondly, something that Jin recognizes in the base game and even somewhat imparts to Rex is that Malos is really a victim of Amaltheus as well. He's been corrupted and he's struggling with trying to understand his true purpose. So that all said, Jin's beef in XC2 is specifically with humans and most specifically with Amaltheus and the architect. Let me start by quoting Klaus from the end of Xenoblade 2 when he says something that sheds light on a LOT of the character struggles in the game: "When a person loses something, they cannot help but seek a reason why. Within themselves, or within others, they seek a concrete answer to the question of who they really are, deep inside. Such a very lonely existence." Something that isn't hugely discussed in Torna is Jin's inner struggles with being a blade. We see brief glimpses of it like when he reads his old diary but even then we don't actually hear the narration like we do in XC2. Jin has major beef with the architect because he feels that blades have really been given the shit end of the stick when it comes to existence. He thinks they've essentially been made to serve humans and a lot of his reasoning for wanting to kill the architect/end the world is because he feels like it would be better for blades for the world to end then to keep living in servitude of humans. When Lora dies he is left to his devices to hollow out in this lonely existence until Malos extends him a hand and gives him renewed purpose in life. Malos likely re-affirmed Jin's disdain for humans but more importantly give him a path forward from merely wasting away in sadness forever. The ending monologue from Torna might throw some of this into question but I actually have a theory that the monologue from the end is not actually the Jin from the story but instead is an excerpt left from the old Jin that he read in the diary. After all, the Lora iceberg in XC2 exists as Jin puts it "to remind him how foolish he was to ever put faith in the Architect", which would reinforce the idea that he is burning away all the hope he once had at the end of Torna. Jin is an awesome complicated character in my opinion. He was my favourite character in XC2 and Torna has only further reinforced that. His plight with blades reminds me a lot of Roy Batty and the replicants from Blade Runner which is some of my favourite media ever.
Makes you wonder who the real main character was, Jin or lora, at the end of it all villans are usually a lot more interesting then the hero's, especially since in the main game the moment you see Jin your like "oh bad guy" but then I got to know Jin the rest of the torn group both old and present and they're all tragic characters much like Roxas in kingdom hearts where all they wanted was to live their lives but they aren't the main character, which is why Jin gives his life for Rex and says to stop malos and then even malos wishes he had meet Rex earlier probably since the aegis war
I really like how TGC didn't make you feel sorry for Jin. Imo having his driver die doesn't justify his deeds in the main game. But it does help you better understand his blight and how much Amalthus' attack changed him. And that's a theme with a lot of Monolith's villians. You never feel sorry for Egil, hell the guy killed way more than Jin, but you see how he became what he was. Same for Jin.
Torna's quest is almost anti-Majora's Mask - in that game you struggled and struggled to prevent the end of the world, and finally brought happy endings to everyone in Termina. But in Torna, you already know its fate is unavoidable before you start playing the game. Yet I seeked out every sidequest, built up my community level, get to know every person in Torna, replaying the game and falling in love even more with the people of Torna. The sidequests in this game are so important because they bring so much joy for the players, and hence make the ending so much more impactful and sad. But even with tragic ending coming, I still want to help out every person I met in the game. To see them come together and bond before the end of the world......there is something beautiful and poetic about that. We may not know where fates will take us, but helping and cherishing the people around us is what counts. Treasuring these moments......is what Lora's journey is all about. Love your works and please keep it up. Xenoblade for life!
The thing about Driver/Blade interaction is actually very interesting from a lore perspective: Rex is the only old-style driver you ever meet. Yes, he uses the Aegis sword, but he doesn't use her arts. He uses his own. Also, spoiler . . . . . . . . . . . . The DLC basically answered the quesiton about whether Rex is a real Driver. We see that Zettar got the same reaction to the aegis crystal as he would've gotten from any regular Blade's core crystal. Rex can, in the post credit scene, re-awaken Pyra and Mythra. That means he's almost definitely a natural Driver.
Blackplant Yeah, I noticed that too, about Rex being a real driver. I love how Torna basically proved that. Granted, some may still argue that Rex still could have bonded with Pyra, even if he didn’t have the aptitude, since her physical body was still present, and she didn’t have to be summoned from her Core Crystal, but barring that argument, it seems pretty cut and dry.
Julian Solo I think you misunderstand the issue. The question here is that if Rex _never_ bonded with Pyra, would he naturally have the aptitude to awaken blades on his own? Because some people believe that it is because of his circumstances with Pyra that he is able to actually bond with blades ( y’know, since she is an Aegis, and she breaks all conventional blade rules apparently ), and that without Pyra, he might have not been able to. Nobody’s asking whether or not he can bond with blades, that’s obvious, but people are wondering if he’s able to do that because he has Pyra, or because he naturally has the aptitude to do so.
@@AlexBowesVideos I’ll have to watch that! I guess I just assumed because temperantia has a location called the “Aegis Hammer” and that implies to me that one of the Aegises hammered it lol. But I suppose Malos could have done that before the events of Torna
Niblet My reasons are perfectly acceptable. Just accept that I dislike the fact that people assume I want to fuck Finch. I don’t even get genuinely angry when people say they dislike her as a character (I meme about it, of course). But God forbid I have a surprisingly unpopular opinion regarding cloacas. I just don’t like them. If you don’t agree with my reasoning, alright. But don’t consistently chastise me for my own, subjective opinion regarding whether or not it's ok to fuck a character when I even acknowledge the fact that she appeals to other people. At that point it isn’t even Waifu Wars. It’s just bashing someone for having an opinion when I’m literally just giving that opinion to defend my statement. If you like bird pussy? Awesome! You should go to jail. Now can you people just accept that I don’t think you should stick your dick in Finch? God damn.
Wait, people _hate_ the Mythra sleepwalking scene from the base game?! But I fucking love that scene! It’s anime bullshit in the best way, and also culminates with some pretty good slapstick and some self-aware jabs at how stripperiffic Mythra’s outfit is. Plus, don’t tell me you wouldn’t literally murder to wake up nuzzled to basically a goddess waifu.
I didn't love Torna as much as the base game, but I'm still loved A LOT, and the whole ending sequence was depressing but great, and I think of all prequel stories in media, Torna is one of the best (not that the bar is very high, but you understand what I'm saying) it is definitely hard to say goodbye to this game that is one of my favorites of all time, but I think that's how all great things are when they end, I'll miss XC2, and now we just need to wait for xenoblade 3! (or xenoblade X2, what comes first)
imo leaving out Lora's Death Scene was a missed Opportunity. I mean it felt like that was something missing and then you see Jin with a Red Crystal talking with Azurda.. huh
To me the music is absolutely the best thing in this game, the tracks perfectly matches with the emotion and pacing of the story, which in turn puts those certain emotions on to you. Music 10/10
I agree, i didnt like it that the base game had only the "capital" of the titans and no other villages, and it made me not take mor ardain seriously, because what kind of empire has only 1 city?
never before in a game like I've felt compelled to 100% but the side quest had such good writing(and didn't feel like chores) that I wanted to. it to the point that I liked them so much I got upset that I had to progress the story
@@NaomiAlicia4242564 yeah. When a game requires you to do 50 something quests to get to the end of the game, they become chores of tedium. Anyone who can't see that is sipping on kool-aid.
You know you mentioned how that out of the two deaths you guessed that one (keeping it non spoilery for people who dont want spoilers in this comment) but funny enough it was the reverse with me, I saw the death you didn't see coming but didn't guess the other one.
I love how they gave Hugo some lines in the expansion that changed the ardanian soldiers in the base game from idiots who wouldn't stop saying "think you can take me" into kind of patriots because they were just quoting their emperor from forever ago
Smitty Werben Jäger Man Jensen Same, at worst, there were some frame rate issues, and some alpha layers on textures looked really odd, but otherwise I don’t notice a significant graphical downgrade either.
I actually think torna looks way worse than regular game... docked or not though, I don't see differences either. But final battle of torna has huge drops of fps... What the heck is going with haze holy scarf??? It's rendered perfectly in game engine but become a blurry pile of pixels in cutscenes...
TheGreenLorelei yeah the final boss was weird especially audio wise for me. For some reason in my game you could hear the artifice sounds as if they were literally right in front of you and it was deafeningly loud, like wow-this-actually-hurts-this-cant-be-intended loud
Well keep in mind that on top of everything that happened here, Jin also witnessed all the stuff we know happened in the following 500 years and with the context of this prequel, yeah that had to be beyond depressing. Also, I would assume Zettar's son founds Tantal as an independent kingdom. The people would recognize Zettar, but not necessarily a son.
90% sure the weird glow on the characters in the cutscenes is a side effect of torna's depth of field effect. It looks like in order to get that effect in a less performance-intensive way they just blurred the whole screen and then rendered the characters a second time on top of it, but the blurred characters still are there in the background so there's some bleed. That's just my guess
I don’t know why y’all are complaining about getting to level 4. I got to level 4 without even trying. And all the side quests are cute lil stories. I loved the romantic gormotti Leo!
Why is Judicium unexplorable? In the main game that's where the final battle actually takes places since Torna sinks due to Amalthus after Mythra sleeps.
I feel like the best thing Monolith Soft could do until the next new Xenoblade comes out is porting Xenoblade Chronicles X to the Switch it would also be a wish of mine because XCX got pretty much no attention on the WiiU Who agrees?
You say Jin and Lora are platonic opposite sex relationship representation, but there was a whole scene where valentine hearts literally emanate from Lora as she swoons, and THEN you get the post-battle convo with Mythra
Luxin, there're three Torna areas with new themes, not five. There is the Lasaria Region where the player starts that has a theme like Gormotti Forest that plays the exact same day and night. Then you have the Kingdom of Torna theme which has a differing day and night theme along with a day and night theme for the capital city Auresco. So basically, it's exactly the same as base-game Gormott with its music choices.
While it was good to play a new section of the game i have to be honest, the story of the aegis war compared to what we've been told feels very lacking, and infact seems to have many plot holes you might like to make videos exploring. I'll try to list as many as the issues as i could find: - Only 2 titans? There's only torna here and gormott. Torna here is actually very linear and not that expansive for exploring hidden nooks as other titans and gormott is a joke tbh. It isnt that different from the main game so its nothing new and it served nearly no purpose in the story of the war or game at all - Where's judicium? Torna and judicium are the only 2 names we had from this past age, they where described as being rivals to eachother but there was nothing of it. I was certain it was gonna be one of the titans we'd visit but nope, nothing - What about teperantia, it was described as one of the MAJOR battlefields in the aegis war but there was no sign of it at all, the aegis's never touched it. Same with tantal too, it was described as an aegis battlefield even azurda participated in but again nothing, would have been cool to see it before it became frozen - What on earth was with gort? Seriously they where setting up this guy to be new metalface villain but he was just forgotten then randomly returns at the end as some mutilated monster. He served no purpose, did nothing but he had such potential for padding out the story espeically if judicium was still around. VERY poor character handling here - What was up with indol? Yeah we know amalthus had his own plans in the main game but he wasnt even a part of the scheming going on here. Who the hell was that creepy scientist guy and what was he trying to do, why did the old preator want malos to destroy the titans? And what the hell was that aegis tablet malos destroyed? Seriously its like they where building up a cool 3rd villain faction but then forgot about them completely, only to kill them all off at the end for no reason - A big problem here, the main game says mythra sunk 3 titans beneath the clouds but she didnt, she only sunk 1. It was malos who sunk coetia and the whole world knew it, they even had eye witnesses in brigid and minoth who saw everything that happened and yet even minoth himself says later on in his play that it was mythra who sunk all the titans, no mention of the fact she was fighting another aegis at all - What happened to addam after sealing the aegis away? Stories say he just vanished so what happened to him. Did he die on the way home, did he become a hermit on an uninhabited island or what? - I still dont get why jin joins up with malos or why malos devotes his whole life to jin after meeting again. Or even why they dont seem to react or recognise eachother even though they literally tried to kill eachother and malos did horrific things - King of tantal says his family was a side branch in torna but where where they? It was actually addam who seemed to be the side branch in torna's line so this whole story of how tantal was made suddenly has a few holes in it. If you try to say it was the snooty brother who founded tantal it doesnt make sense cus he wasnt the side branch, he was the next in line for the throne directly - One sidequest speaks of addam having a wife and child, but we never see them or hear anything of them at all. This is a really big thing but they just give nothing on it - In another sidequest they mention the white chair of gormott, this sounds like the throne of the gormott titan or something but theres literally nothing on this. No location, or lore behind this at all, just a random important sounding name and thats it - Who wrote the book that spoke about the 3rd sword. Best guess is minoth but then why would he go after the sword after the war? - In the intro it says during this war mor ardain is an emerging power in alrest, if thats the case then why in elysium does rex have a vision of mor ardain soldiers storming a town long before any of this - Mikhail presumably gets captured after this story, but how on earth did he escape indol - In the ending Jin is seen burning what seems to be his old house down, yet this house should be at the bottom of the ocean with the rest of torna, why's it still on the surface? - Speaking of jin, we still dont know how he got that scar on his chest, cus he wasnt the one who had his heart ripped out It really does feel like what we got was a very watered down and cut up version of the story, this doesnt feel like the standard of xenoblades story making but instead feels like the sloppy story work they did in X, theres too many loose threads and plot holes and its really disappointing. They should have expanded more on indols plans, made gort a far more involved villain, explored ATLEAST 3 or 4 titans and not just torna and the token gormott (which served NO purpose at all). They could have easily done judicium, teperantia, tantal before it was frozen and all sorts. I get this is just a dlc and not a full game but this is the standard we expect from xenoblade, plus at half the price of a full game they should atleast give more than 1 titans worth of content Other stuff i'd of liked to see: - The scene of addam resonating with mythra, we see a failed resonation in torna but we dont see the actual awakening of mythra herself which is really dissapointing. I've always been curious if she awoke as mythra or as pneuma and immediately downgraded. Heck a better question is why did addam have her core in uraya when it was given to them in torna, did he steal it? - Since gormott is useless atm, would have been funny to see the rumored war between the nopon and the tirkins take place. Maybe give the tirkins roc and finch as blades - The major trading guild of this time period was pyrithium so it was a real shame not to meet captain nopapon and even help him found argentum. Also would have been cool to see if he really did have boreas as his personal blade - More rare blades we know of in their past lives spread throughout the side quests would have been so cool. Like dagnas and his supposed kingdom in teperantia, we could have seen what it REALLY was
Gamez X it can be explain some of the plot holes that it - judicium was a rival to torna , but in a past before the aegis war and it was desolved over time, but technology remained. - the game states the aegis destroyed titans, but never mentioned which one was it. And the events happened 500 years before the main game in that time history could be revised ,changed and reinterpreted after 500 years The aegis wars could have had other battles that Addam and Mythra were not present or happened before Mythra ‘s awakening. Rex could have seen the events that caused or happened before the aegis wars like the war between croetia and Mor Ardain - part of the torna Titan could still be floating around like the parts of the Cliffs of Morytha Mikhail could just survived with a wound or he could have just escaped before the death of all the blade eaters Jin scar is implied that is caused by him putting Lora ‘s heart inside his body That part of her body was carved to his flesh The praetors was killed to put Amalthus in power and to have less witnesses of the flesh eater technology and data. He wanted more influence of indol like in times of wars. religion gets more revenue and influence in those times, because of the desperation of the people.
i get what you mean, but if you start to analyze and compare some of the cutscenes in xc2, they turn around and dont make sense, in the battle against Akhos and Malos in Uraya, Poppi cant use her ether or something because she feels "funny" and then when they get captured in Tantal Poppi is the only one who can use ether, or in the same cutscene in Uraya, they say that Mythra doesnt draw power from ether, yet in the cutscene in Tantal where they take Pyra away, Jin says that he is faster than Mythra´s Siren because the ETHER that forms those particles is too heavy to reach lightspeed(i kinda hate this game now), and also, Temperantia and Judicium are the same thing like Genbu and Tantal, Temperantia is probably the name of the titan and Judicium the the name of the civilazation
El Zar De Pootis in the Akhos and malos battle it stated that obrona restrictives ether flow while in Tantal the room has no ether to charge arts it doesn’t restricts ether flow Poppi felt funny cause her ether furnace is being restricted , like a blood vessel being clogged,while in Tantal it a room that has no ether or absorbs ether in the area so regular blades have can’t charge arts like in spirit crucible elpes In the Mythra Case , she doesn’t need ether to command siren and siren ether flow is not being restricted because of the distance between them the laser is too charged to be dissipated and it too force to be stopped and cutscene states that Mythra is the one drawing the power ,not Pyra. Remember that pyra has limits that Mythra subconsciously put on her like the need to draw ether and cutscene of the capture in Tantal Mythra states that she could break free , but Pyra stops her cause she didn’t wanted to hurt them
I believe Jin joined malos because he was the only person that he knew that was still alive, so he ignored the fact that he was an enemy and became friends
I'd like if in xenoblade 3 they had it like a mix with the xenoblade 2 and torna battle style together, with other blades from core crystals. Except I want the blade combos back tho
The fuzzy outline thing really bothered me too, I may be wrong but the conclusion I came to was that it was rendering the scene in two passes: foreground and background. Foreground rendered at full res, whereas background rendered at low res, making it both faster and simulating a cheap depth of field. From the looks of it though, is since the pixels are much larger in the bg, foreground elements bleed into it
Hugo and Addam are Lora's older brothers/mentors. Mithra is Addam's daughter-pon, Hugo's blades act almost like his children/younger siblings. Then grumpy uncle Minoth
Hi Luxin, the last bit of your video made me emotional too! Your content is great. I watched many of your Xenoblade Chronicles 2’s video. Yes, I felt the same when I finished the Torna few days ago. This is the end of Xenoblade series until the next one! I wish you the best as a content creator. About the XC2, I’m almost want to regard Torna better than the main game. My point is Torna is more refined, polished. The battle system is a bit better and I like the community system a bit more. XC2 has few things annoyed me, I don’t like Tora and his dad and grandpa are all dirty men. In some dialogue hinted that Poppy could be sex slave that makes me sick. Nopons should be cute fur balls! I’m kidding, bad nopon is fine, I just thought that part is unnecessary and Tora has so little in the plot, he doesn’t has enough reason to go along the journey. Many character design are excellent, but few of them are too sexual and too distracting. I like side quest, but I need certain rare blade to use certain field skills to do certain quests are little bit complicated in XC2. Other than that I love the main game. After 250 hours in the main game and 25 hours in Torna, I will take a break play other games for a while, then I will come back to get all the rare blade and beat some super bosses. Thanks again!
(spoiler) From how Gort looked in the post malos fight, and the fact that those were also shown as part of the Indol forces, makes me think that the "indol stars" in the base game aren't actually titans, but failed Blade Eaters.
Firstly, I can confirm that there will be at least one update to Torna ~ The Golden Country, because I ran into a visual glitch in a cutscene during the ending of the game where the back part of the glowing loop thing Haze has was blurry for no reason (and had a sharp edge at her shoulders and was completely sharp on the rest of her), so they're going to fix that. More importantly, they could actually ADD more superbosses, because it's not at all hard to put additional info items into the Nopon Halfsage's stock, and there's also a chance that they will give us some kind of custom difficulty settings in an update.
Due to a mixup at the store, they gave my mum the torna expansion instead of the base game and so I got TGC for Christmas. I knew nothing about Xenoblade except that people were fighting over whether Pyra or Mythra are better (I didn't know they were the same person) and everyone was upset that Rex was just a Mii Costume in Smash. By now, I've played through Torna twice and the main game once and I like xbc2, but I love Torna. It was incredibly easy (and a little cruel) for me to get attached to the characters because I didn't know what was going to happen. Lora especially, since we share a name, but Haze and Jin and basically everyone else too. I didn't understand what Mikhail was doing there and what the heck those blue people were doing (except that they were bad people apparently). I love Torna in the same way that I love the Grimm fairytales my mum read to me as a little kid. It felt like a tragic, yet complete story. It felt like it was part of something bigger (because it is), but I loved that feeling because not having every piece of lore handed to you on a silver platter made the immersion even stronger. Of course, it also massively impacted my view on the base game. I didn't figure out any of Jin's backstory beforehand, I was still hoping for Lora to jump out of the ice and get him to his senses anytime soon. I despised Malos with all my being the second I set my eyes on him. Same goes for Amalthus too, what a ***** Most of the main cast felt annoying to me, especially Rex, since I really appreciated Lora not being a tropey teenage boy protagonist. At times, I was actively rooting against him, and myself really. By now I have gotten used to them though, and I've grown to like Nia especially. I had the reverse effect that I think TGC was trying to evoke by going to places also in the main game. A scene that's impact was especially magnified was the fight against Jin on Temperantia and his 'slave' line. The music thing you mentioned happened to me too in that arriving in Morytha immediately sent me back into the Tornan titan, where I thought I could still save everyone, and finding torna down there was just a punch in the stomach. These are just some things I think were different for me in hindsight, having played Torna first.
My guess is monolithsoft wants to make the close up cutscenes more cinematic, so they try to make blurry background. To turn on shallow depth of field in this engine is probably impossible itself or on the Switch to keep the decent frame rate, so they use a workaround. It looks like the frame is generated, they put the blur effect on the whole frame, and then they put the intended to be focused character or object on top of it to create pseudo blurry background. As a result, the blurry but bleed out a bit under the sharp characters. It’s only speculation! 🧐😛
12:50 I totally agree, especially about Mythra. I have a very vocal hatred of Mythra in the base game. I fully believe that she is easily the worst character in the main cast in the main game, and I couldn’t stand her bullshit. She was just the stereotypical badly-written tsundere, who is on the extreme of the trope where she just constantly abuses the male lead as much as possible for no reason, and _no one_ calls her out for it. But in Torna, ooh Torna. Not only does every other character call her out on her bullshit, but she actually has a believable _reason_ to be the way she is. Mythra has not been awake for that long, and as a result of that, she isn’t very empathetic, and part of her arc in Torna is learning to gain empathy for human beings, finding her own resolve, and becoming more compassionate. While I have some problems with Torna’s story, I _love_ how they handled Mythra, they managed to take my least favorite character, and make her infinitely more compelling, and they didn’t even have to change her that much, they just needed to clarify the circumstances which make her the way she is.
is their any good theory about golden eyes but you forget that rex don't belong in fonsett village his mother carry all the way toward fonsett village his father died near a small titan
He's still Letherian. So ether there's another village we don't see, or Rex's parents fled to Fonsett, because that's where they or thier family is from.
@@BabafiBafi how can you be so sure of that there is no actual proof of that beside where rex found pyra that old torna ship seal only opened by people of fonsett village or architect already choose rex as mythra true drivers that would make because in the ending scene mythra see the visions of rex which going to happen after 500 ago
@@ManhwaXin Rex has Golden Eyes, which is what native Letherian's have, therefore, he is Letherian. He was not necessarily born in Fonsett, but he is absolutely a Letherian.
Anyone else realize that the driver teams are kind of color coordinated? Each driver mostly white with accents of a primary color. Lora and Haze wear red and white, and Jin wears white with subtle red-ish hues. Hugo wears blue and white, Brigid wears blue, and Aegeon wears white and has blue water things. Addam wears white yellow (with some black), Mythra wears white and yellow, and Minoth wears mostly black. Minoth seems to be the least like his driver, but it makes sense due to the fact that he actually isn't Addam's blade. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but I find it to be pretty neat.
Spoilers but the game’s been out 5 years now I have know idea why it is said you don’t need to have played the main story before playing Torna. It spoils so much of the story some major like Amalthus and blade eaters and some minor like Mikhail being alive 500 years ago It also loses the fact that you know how this is going to end you know from the main game Mythra destroys three titans
This game made me want to replay the base game again. (i was planning on doing it anyways but with different costumes). Also in portable mode i noticed the fuzzy filter near malos's foot. In terms of story this definitely an amazing dlc. I kind of wish for a pre-sequel though. A sequel to this but still before the base game. Or a prequel to torna where we see the start of the war or when we see when malos first gets awaken or we see when the world tree was born. I feel like they can do so much with this. But most of all I WANT XENOSAGA TRILOGY remake that shit for the switch so i can play all my xenosaga with KosMos
Idk about anyone else but I REALLY find it hard to recommend playing the dlc or the base game first. I think each have their merits but I think I would eventually have to say play the base game then torna then the base game again. If you play torna first there's a few things that isn't good about that: 1. Mythras reveal isn't surprising 2. Amalthus being evil isn't surprising. 3. Malos being a second aegis isn't surprising. 4. Siren and ophion aren't as mysterious or cool. 5. A lot of lore and how the world works is missing since it assumes you are at least familiar with alrest and what drivers and blades are. Playing the base game first keeps all those moments fresh and hit hard seeing them for the first time. But then going back and playing torna is really cool based on how it recontextualizes everything. And I think springboarding off of torna into a second base game playthrough offers a seamless narrative.
Bought torra on its own, played 1, X, and 3 before. Would say it's worth it, $40 now is worth far less than it was 4 years ago, all killed-little to no filler
Super late, but yeah i really didnt like the weird effects they had going on in the cutscenes, its especially noticeable on haze's scarf, where the parts layered in front of her body are all HD, but the part flying behind her is a pixelated mess like the background is
While I do prefer and love the base game both gameplay and it's story more, I still think this was definitely a fun ride. I kind of hated being locked to do side quests because it kind of padded the game. But I do think the side quest stories were a hell of a lot better than the normal quests in the base game. Expect for the blade quests. Those I feel have their own special charm that I can't say whether they're better or lesser than Torna's quests. Man after that depressing ending I now want to relive the main story just to lift my spirits. I kind of wish they gave Milton more relevancy. Like he just exists just to die for Mythra's development. Yeah we find out how from him how he met Addam and Mythra and that he teases her a lot. But it seems throughout the entire adventure him and Mikhail are just there. Expect he doesn't have a role in the main game later like Mik does. Maybe have them be involved in some of the side quest stories. I haven't done them all so I don't know if it's true.
Um, I'm 18hrs in and still missing 4 community members for Lv. 2. All the side quests I have available are item quests. I don't know where to get the items. Wanted to play blind, but like XC2, this game is near impossible to beat without resorting to online guides.
YOU'RE HINOKA WITH YOUR PARTNER, SEPHIROTH.
10/10
And they're better than they where in fates and ff7 =P
I READ THAT AS HE SAID IT LMAO
Somehow I picture this being said by a VA director to the actors when they auditioned and he had them play out a scene. And the director looks like J Jonah Jameson.
WHERE'S THE LIE THOUGH??? IT'S SO TRUE.
GO.
You didn't mention the fact that Hugo says don't forget me in chain attacks...
Really!? I'm going to listen hard
The only thing I can hear is "don't you know who Iam?"
@@luiz123henrique456 he says it at the same time Nia would say "ready or gormotti".
DON'T FORGET ME
he forgot
This dlc made me love Haze. Which I didn't know would happen because I didn't care about her in the main game but now I feel depressed. Haze deserve better then cards she was dealt with
Same man, it made me hate Amalthus even more than I already did
@@izzy1356 this. Fuck that dude, especially for what he did to Haze
(Pun intended)
Cuz Haze's character and story are kinda hazy. They become clearer in the Torna expansion.
Amalthus? Who the heck is that?
The best way to treat a bad guy like him is to forget him.
She got sephirothed XD
I will never forget this game. Good bye xenoblade chronicles 2 we will miss you.
Nice video. I wanted to talk about one thing though, specifically the Jin teaming up with Malos piece and how people can't understand why he'd team up with Malos.
For starters, if you really think about it, Malos had nothing to do with Lora's death besides wrecking Torna and even then one could argue that it was mostly Mythra in the end who destroyed it. I don't think Jin was ever tied to Torna like he was tied to Lora, after all he spent most of his life with her on the run there so it makes sense that he might not hold a huge grudge against Malos for that.
Secondly, something that Jin recognizes in the base game and even somewhat imparts to Rex is that Malos is really a victim of Amaltheus as well. He's been corrupted and he's struggling with trying to understand his true purpose.
So that all said, Jin's beef in XC2 is specifically with humans and most specifically with Amaltheus and the architect. Let me start by quoting Klaus from the end of Xenoblade 2 when he says something that sheds light on a LOT of the character struggles in the game: "When a person loses something, they cannot help but seek a reason why. Within themselves, or within others, they seek a concrete answer to the question of who they really are, deep inside. Such a very lonely existence." Something that isn't hugely discussed in Torna is Jin's inner struggles with being a blade. We see brief glimpses of it like when he reads his old diary but even then we don't actually hear the narration like we do in XC2. Jin has major beef with the architect because he feels that blades have really been given the shit end of the stick when it comes to existence. He thinks they've essentially been made to serve humans and a lot of his reasoning for wanting to kill the architect/end the world is because he feels like it would be better for blades for the world to end then to keep living in servitude of humans. When Lora dies he is left to his devices to hollow out in this lonely existence until Malos extends him a hand and gives him renewed purpose in life. Malos likely re-affirmed Jin's disdain for humans but more importantly give him a path forward from merely wasting away in sadness forever.
The ending monologue from Torna might throw some of this into question but I actually have a theory that the monologue from the end is not actually the Jin from the story but instead is an excerpt left from the old Jin that he read in the diary. After all, the Lora iceberg in XC2 exists as Jin puts it "to remind him how foolish he was to ever put faith in the Architect", which would reinforce the idea that he is burning away all the hope he once had at the end of Torna.
Jin is an awesome complicated character in my opinion. He was my favourite character in XC2 and Torna has only further reinforced that. His plight with blades reminds me a lot of Roy Batty and the replicants from Blade Runner which is some of my favourite media ever.
Makes you wonder who the real main character was, Jin or lora, at the end of it all villans are usually a lot more interesting then the hero's, especially since in the main game the moment you see Jin your like "oh bad guy" but then I got to know Jin the rest of the torn group both old and present and they're all tragic characters much like Roxas in kingdom hearts where all they wanted was to live their lives but they aren't the main character, which is why Jin gives his life for Rex and says to stop malos and then even malos wishes he had meet Rex earlier probably since the aegis war
I really like how TGC didn't make you feel sorry for Jin. Imo having his driver die doesn't justify his deeds in the main game. But it does help you better understand his blight and how much Amalthus' attack changed him. And that's a theme with a lot of Monolith's villians. You never feel sorry for Egil, hell the guy killed way more than Jin, but you see how he became what he was. Same for Jin.
Torna's quest is almost anti-Majora's Mask - in that game you struggled and struggled to prevent the end of the world, and finally brought happy endings to everyone in Termina.
But in Torna, you already know its fate is unavoidable before you start playing the game. Yet I seeked out every sidequest, built up my community level, get to know every person in Torna, replaying the game and falling in love even more with the people of Torna. The sidequests in this game are so important because they bring so much joy for the players, and hence make the ending so much more impactful and sad.
But even with tragic ending coming, I still want to help out every person I met in the game. To see them come together and bond before the end of the world......there is something beautiful and poetic about that. We may not know where fates will take us, but helping and cherishing the people around us is what counts. Treasuring these moments......is what Lora's journey is all about.
Love your works and please keep it up. Xenoblade for life!
The thing about Driver/Blade interaction is actually very interesting from a lore perspective: Rex is the only old-style driver you ever meet. Yes, he uses the Aegis sword, but he doesn't use her arts. He uses his own.
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The DLC basically answered the quesiton about whether Rex is a real Driver. We see that Zettar got the same reaction to the aegis crystal as he would've gotten from any regular Blade's core crystal. Rex can, in the post credit scene, re-awaken Pyra and Mythra. That means he's almost definitely a natural Driver.
Blackplant Yeah, I noticed that too, about Rex being a real driver. I love how Torna basically proved that. Granted, some may still argue that Rex still could have bonded with Pyra, even if he didn’t have the aptitude, since her physical body was still present, and she didn’t have to be summoned from her Core Crystal, but barring that argument, it seems pretty cut and dry.
Yes. That came up when I discussed this with a friend, but we came to teh conclusion that it's more likely for Rex to be a real Driver.
Rex Awakens a common blade and Roc during the story. Pyra would have awakened them if he wasn't a driver.
Julian Solo I think you misunderstand the issue. The question here is that if Rex _never_ bonded with Pyra, would he naturally have the aptitude to awaken blades on his own? Because some people believe that it is because of his circumstances with Pyra that he is able to actually bond with blades ( y’know, since she is an Aegis, and she breaks all conventional blade rules apparently ), and that without Pyra, he might have not been able to. Nobody’s asking whether or not he can bond with blades, that’s obvious, but people are wondering if he’s able to do that because he has Pyra, or because he naturally has the aptitude to do so.
But where’s his license number?
This was a masterpiece of an expansion
I really wish we could visit Temperantia/Judicium in this time period
I think Judicium sank before even the events of the Aegis War. Luxin explains this in his video about which titans sank in the Aegis War
@@AlexBowesVideos I’ll have to watch that! I guess I just assumed because temperantia has a location called the “Aegis Hammer” and that implies to me that one of the Aegises hammered it lol. But I suppose Malos could have done that before the events of Torna
I'm starting to fear for your obsession with Finch
Niblet
My reasons are perfectly acceptable. Just accept that I dislike the fact that people assume I want to fuck Finch. I don’t even get genuinely angry when people say they dislike her as a character (I meme about it, of course).
But God forbid I have a surprisingly unpopular opinion regarding cloacas. I just don’t like them. If you don’t agree with my reasoning, alright. But don’t consistently chastise me for my own, subjective opinion regarding whether or not it's ok to fuck a character when I even acknowledge the fact that she appeals to other people. At that point it isn’t even Waifu Wars. It’s just bashing someone for having an opinion when I’m literally just giving that opinion to defend my statement. If you like bird pussy? Awesome! You should go to jail.
Now can you people just accept that I don’t think you should stick your dick in Finch? God damn.
@@sergeantslowpoke1550 chill man I was joking
Niblet it’s a meme from the reddit discord
Niblet the poppi bot has a command for ?luxin and it spits out that text
@@sergeantslowpoke1550 uh. I guess I should join the server then?
haze is in this 999999999/10
Haze deserves better then the fate she got
haze is a giga cutie
are fitting for a brawl m8 thems fhighting wowds
@@dullededge1395 Honestly I take that back, she's not 0/10.
“SHES SOMETHING OF AN EXPERT AT MAKING PEOPLE SMILE”
20/10 I cried a ton at the end like and comment this comment if you did too
Hello shin
The ending of this game is more sad and of course tragic, I honestly liked this more then the base game.
I cried like a baby with both endings
God... Not only did two of my favorite characters die, but seeing Mythra's turmoil was gut-wrenchingly sad
Mine N Adventurer _The Aegis Boy_ hi
Wait, people _hate_ the Mythra sleepwalking scene from the base game?! But I fucking love that scene! It’s anime bullshit in the best way, and also culminates with some pretty good slapstick and some self-aware jabs at how stripperiffic Mythra’s outfit is. Plus, don’t tell me you wouldn’t literally murder to wake up nuzzled to basically a goddess waifu.
I didn't love Torna as much as the base game, but I'm still loved A LOT, and the whole ending sequence was depressing but great, and I think of all prequel stories in media, Torna is one of the best (not that the bar is very high, but you understand what I'm saying) it is definitely hard to say goodbye to this game that is one of my favorites of all time, but I think that's how all great things are when they end, I'll miss XC2, and now we just need to wait for xenoblade 3! (or xenoblade X2, what comes first)
imo leaving out Lora's Death Scene was a missed Opportunity. I mean it felt like that was something missing and then you see Jin with a Red Crystal talking with Azurda.. huh
well 3 came first
To me the music is absolutely the best thing in this game, the tracks perfectly matches with the emotion and pacing of the story, which in turn puts those certain emotions on to you. Music 10/10
Do wish we saw other blades as unique enemies.. but I couldn't bring myself to kill Finch...
Imagine a unique boss zenobia
@@patrickewulum3394 now THAT would’ve been a great super boss!
Not true, Torna (aside from Lasaria) does have a night theme, and so does Auresco
I agree, i didnt like it that the base game had only the "capital" of the titans and no other villages, and it made me not take mor ardain seriously, because what kind of empire has only 1 city?
The only exception was Uraya with Garfont. But yeah Mor Ardain felt like a wasteland not an empire.
never before in a game like I've felt compelled to 100% but the side quest had such good writing(and didn't feel like chores) that I wanted to. it to the point that I liked them so much I got upset that I had to progress the story
They feel like chores.
Not chores, excuse me??? WTF the lvl 4 reputation thing to go to the final battle is basically just grinding the hell out of the quest log...
@@NaomiAlicia4242564 yeah. When a game requires you to do 50 something quests to get to the end of the game, they become chores of tedium. Anyone who can't see that is sipping on kool-aid.
You know you mentioned how that out of the two deaths you guessed that one (keeping it non spoilery for people who dont want spoilers in this comment) but funny enough it was the reverse with me, I saw the death you didn't see coming but didn't guess the other one.
I was very pleasantly suprised by how good the side quests were. Best ones in a JRPG since Automata.
Jin is Lao all over again.
I love how they gave Hugo some lines in the expansion that changed the ardanian soldiers in the base game from idiots who wouldn't stop saying "think you can take me" into kind of patriots because they were just quoting their emperor from forever ago
Hugo best boy ♥️
I'm late to the party, but I really enjoyed your review style! But I might be biased - I enjoy your passion for Xenoblade in general
For anyone wanting to avoid spoilers like I was, spoiler section starts at 37:51
Xenoblade 2: Torna, the Golden Country is the best DLC I've ever played.
Same
You had a problem with xc2 undocked’s graphics? Ive played undocked for over 300 hours and i see no difference myself.
Smitty Werben Jäger Man Jensen Same, at worst, there were some frame rate issues, and some alpha layers on textures looked really odd, but otherwise I don’t notice a significant graphical downgrade either.
ChaosMyth1012 not even close to “worse than xenoblade chronicles 3d”
I actually think torna looks way worse than regular game... docked or not though, I don't see differences either. But final battle of torna has huge drops of fps...
What the heck is going with haze holy scarf??? It's rendered perfectly in game engine but become a blurry pile of pixels in cutscenes...
TheGreenLorelei yeah the final boss was weird especially audio wise for me. For some reason in my game you could hear the artifice sounds as if they were literally right in front of you and it was deafeningly loud, like wow-this-actually-hurts-this-cant-be-intended loud
Lora is 27.
The first Xenoblade game without a nopon anywhere in your party. 0/10
Well keep in mind that on top of everything that happened here, Jin also witnessed all the stuff we know happened in the following 500 years and with the context of this prequel, yeah that had to be beyond depressing.
Also, I would assume Zettar's son founds Tantal as an independent kingdom. The people would recognize Zettar, but not necessarily a son.
I don't like how the community level holds the story hostage.
zedrick jaramillo oh dear god I hated this too!!!!
haha i was just complaining about this today but let's be honest, if that wasn't in there the game would barely last 6 hours
90% sure the weird glow on the characters in the cutscenes is a side effect of torna's depth of field effect. It looks like in order to get that effect in a less performance-intensive way they just blurred the whole screen and then rendered the characters a second time on top of it, but the blurred characters still are there in the background so there's some bleed. That's just my guess
You released the video a soon as I finished the dlc
Coincidence?
same
I don’t know why y’all are complaining about getting to level 4. I got to level 4 without even trying. And all the side quests are cute lil stories. I loved the romantic gormotti Leo!
I cried at the end of the game. I never cried by playing a video game before and this game was the one that did it :(
Why is Judicium unexplorable? In the main game that's where the final battle actually takes places since Torna sinks due to Amalthus after Mythra sleeps.
Judicium was already disolved as a nation before the events of the game.
I feel like the best thing Monolith Soft could do until the next new Xenoblade comes out is porting Xenoblade Chronicles X to the Switch it would also be a wish of mine because XCX got pretty much no attention on the WiiU
Who agrees?
The creators confirmed its not happening 😢
You say Jin and Lora are platonic opposite sex relationship representation, but there was a whole scene where valentine hearts literally emanate from Lora as she swoons, and THEN you get the post-battle convo with Mythra
Luxin, there're three Torna areas with new themes, not five. There is the Lasaria Region where the player starts that has a theme like Gormotti Forest that plays the exact same day and night. Then you have the Kingdom of Torna theme which has a differing day and night theme along with a day and night theme for the capital city Auresco.
So basically, it's exactly the same as base-game Gormott with its music choices.
Spoilers
Was clicking off right as he said theat milton and hugo just die
Ehh its my fault i guess
While it was good to play a new section of the game i have to be honest, the story of the aegis war compared to what we've been told feels very lacking, and infact seems to have many plot holes you might like to make videos exploring. I'll try to list as many as the issues as i could find:
- Only 2 titans? There's only torna here and gormott. Torna here is actually very linear and not that expansive for exploring hidden nooks as other titans and gormott is a joke tbh. It isnt that different from the main game so its nothing new and it served nearly no purpose in the story of the war or game at all
- Where's judicium? Torna and judicium are the only 2 names we had from this past age, they where described as being rivals to eachother but there was nothing of it. I was certain it was gonna be one of the titans we'd visit but nope, nothing
- What about teperantia, it was described as one of the MAJOR battlefields in the aegis war but there was no sign of it at all, the aegis's never touched it. Same with tantal too, it was described as an aegis battlefield even azurda participated in but again nothing, would have been cool to see it before it became frozen
- What on earth was with gort? Seriously they where setting up this guy to be new metalface villain but he was just forgotten then randomly returns at the end as some mutilated monster. He served no purpose, did nothing but he had such potential for padding out the story espeically if judicium was still around. VERY poor character handling here
- What was up with indol? Yeah we know amalthus had his own plans in the main game but he wasnt even a part of the scheming going on here. Who the hell was that creepy scientist guy and what was he trying to do, why did the old preator want malos to destroy the titans? And what the hell was that aegis tablet malos destroyed? Seriously its like they where building up a cool 3rd villain faction but then forgot about them completely, only to kill them all off at the end for no reason
- A big problem here, the main game says mythra sunk 3 titans beneath the clouds but she didnt, she only sunk 1. It was malos who sunk coetia and the whole world knew it, they even had eye witnesses in brigid and minoth who saw everything that happened and yet even minoth himself says later on in his play that it was mythra who sunk all the titans, no mention of the fact she was fighting another aegis at all
- What happened to addam after sealing the aegis away? Stories say he just vanished so what happened to him. Did he die on the way home, did he become a hermit on an uninhabited island or what?
- I still dont get why jin joins up with malos or why malos devotes his whole life to jin after meeting again. Or even why they dont seem to react or recognise eachother even though they literally tried to kill eachother and malos did horrific things
- King of tantal says his family was a side branch in torna but where where they? It was actually addam who seemed to be the side branch in torna's line so this whole story of how tantal was made suddenly has a few holes in it. If you try to say it was the snooty brother who founded tantal it doesnt make sense cus he wasnt the side branch, he was the next in line for the throne directly
- One sidequest speaks of addam having a wife and child, but we never see them or hear anything of them at all. This is a really big thing but they just give nothing on it
- In another sidequest they mention the white chair of gormott, this sounds like the throne of the gormott titan or something but theres literally nothing on this. No location, or lore behind this at all, just a random important sounding name and thats it
- Who wrote the book that spoke about the 3rd sword. Best guess is minoth but then why would he go after the sword after the war?
- In the intro it says during this war mor ardain is an emerging power in alrest, if thats the case then why in elysium does rex have a vision of mor ardain soldiers storming a town long before any of this
- Mikhail presumably gets captured after this story, but how on earth did he escape indol
- In the ending Jin is seen burning what seems to be his old house down, yet this house should be at the bottom of the ocean with the rest of torna, why's it still on the surface?
- Speaking of jin, we still dont know how he got that scar on his chest, cus he wasnt the one who had his heart ripped out
It really does feel like what we got was a very watered down and cut up version of the story, this doesnt feel like the standard of xenoblades story making but instead feels like the sloppy story work they did in X, theres too many loose threads and plot holes and its really disappointing. They should have expanded more on indols plans, made gort a far more involved villain, explored ATLEAST 3 or 4 titans and not just torna and the token gormott (which served NO purpose at all). They could have easily done judicium, teperantia, tantal before it was frozen and all sorts. I get this is just a dlc and not a full game but this is the standard we expect from xenoblade, plus at half the price of a full game they should atleast give more than 1 titans worth of content
Other stuff i'd of liked to see:
- The scene of addam resonating with mythra, we see a failed resonation in torna but we dont see the actual awakening of mythra herself which is really dissapointing. I've always been curious if she awoke as mythra or as pneuma and immediately downgraded. Heck a better question is why did addam have her core in uraya when it was given to them in torna, did he steal it?
- Since gormott is useless atm, would have been funny to see the rumored war between the nopon and the tirkins take place. Maybe give the tirkins roc and finch as blades
- The major trading guild of this time period was pyrithium so it was a real shame not to meet captain nopapon and even help him found argentum. Also would have been cool to see if he really did have boreas as his personal blade
- More rare blades we know of in their past lives spread throughout the side quests would have been so cool. Like dagnas and his supposed kingdom in teperantia, we could have seen what it REALLY was
Gamez X it can be explain some of the plot holes that it
- judicium was a rival to torna , but in a past before the aegis war and it was desolved over time, but technology remained.
- the game states the aegis destroyed titans, but never mentioned which one was it. And the events happened 500 years before the main game in that time history could be revised ,changed and reinterpreted after 500 years
The aegis wars could have had other battles that Addam and Mythra were not present or happened before Mythra ‘s awakening.
Rex could have seen the events that caused or happened before the aegis wars like the war between croetia and Mor Ardain
- part of the torna Titan could still be floating around like the parts of the Cliffs of Morytha
Mikhail could just survived with a wound or he could have just escaped before the death of all the blade eaters
Jin scar is implied that is caused by him putting Lora ‘s heart inside his body
That part of her body was carved to his flesh
The praetors was killed to put Amalthus in power and to have less witnesses of the flesh eater technology and data. He wanted more influence of indol like in times of wars. religion gets more revenue and influence in those times, because of the desperation of the people.
i get what you mean, but if you start to analyze and compare some of the cutscenes in xc2, they turn around and dont make sense, in the battle against Akhos and Malos in Uraya, Poppi cant use her ether or something because she feels "funny" and then when they get captured in Tantal Poppi is the only one who can use ether, or in the same cutscene in Uraya, they say that Mythra doesnt draw power from ether, yet in the cutscene in Tantal where they take Pyra away, Jin says that he is faster than Mythra´s Siren because the ETHER that forms those particles is too heavy to reach lightspeed(i kinda hate this game now), and also, Temperantia and Judicium are the same thing like Genbu and Tantal, Temperantia is probably the name of the titan and Judicium the the name of the civilazation
El Zar De Pootis in the Akhos and malos battle it stated that obrona restrictives ether flow while in Tantal the room has no ether to charge arts it doesn’t restricts ether flow
Poppi felt funny cause her ether furnace is being restricted , like a blood vessel being clogged,while in Tantal it a room that has no ether or absorbs ether in the area so regular blades have can’t charge arts like in spirit crucible elpes
In the Mythra Case , she doesn’t need ether to command siren and siren ether flow is not being restricted because of the distance between them the laser is too charged to be dissipated and it too force to be stopped and cutscene states that Mythra is the one drawing the power ,not Pyra.
Remember that pyra has limits that Mythra subconsciously put on her like the need to draw ether and cutscene of the capture in Tantal Mythra states that she could break free , but Pyra stops her cause she didn’t wanted to hurt them
I'm suprised you didn't talk about Minoth at all.
One down side is no elemental blade combo pathway chart during battle.
Great review but actually there is 2 night time themes which is the Kingdom of Torna area and the capital of Torna just so you know
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Haven't watched the first second and it already gets a like.
36:54 joke’s on you, I got Torna and only Torna because I already knew base game’s story and Dahlia exists
I know that I’m a little late but I just wanted to commend you for your excellent review. Great job man!
I believe Jin joined malos because he was the only person that he knew that was still alive, so he ignored the fact that he was an enemy and became friends
Tetsuya Takahashi recommends playing Torna after concluding chapter 7 and before getting into 8 in the base game. I think it makes much more sense.
Well I am getting my XC1 loving friend to play Torna first so let’s gooooo! I’ll probably make a Reddit post.
Since it's been almost a year, I gotta ask... How did that go?
Great first review, I'm going to miss updates and more dlc for my favorite game of all time, looking forward to torna theory videos
Just beat Torna, watched your video next... thank you!
Malos flexing for 15 hours
I'd like if in xenoblade 3 they had it like a mix with the xenoblade 2 and torna battle style together, with other blades from core crystals. Except I want the blade combos back tho
The fuzzy outline thing really bothered me too, I may be wrong but the conclusion I came to was that it was rendering the scene in two passes: foreground and background. Foreground rendered at full res, whereas background rendered at low res, making it both faster and simulating a cheap depth of field. From the looks of it though, is since the pixels are much larger in the bg, foreground elements bleed into it
THANKS FOR MAKING ME CRY LUXIN!
I loved Torna more than the original, it just touched me
Hugo and Addam are Lora's older brothers/mentors. Mithra is Addam's daughter-pon, Hugo's blades act almost like his children/younger siblings. Then grumpy uncle Minoth
Sooo good the final battle with Both siren's sword flying to the battlefield and hitting you as collateral damage sell the scale of their power level
Hi Luxin, the last bit of your video made me emotional too! Your content is great. I watched many of your Xenoblade Chronicles 2’s video. Yes, I felt the same when I finished the Torna few days ago. This is the end of Xenoblade series until the next one! I wish you the best as a content creator. About the XC2, I’m almost want to regard Torna better than the main game. My point is Torna is more refined, polished. The battle system is a bit better and I like the community system a bit more. XC2 has few things annoyed me, I don’t like Tora and his dad and grandpa are all dirty men. In some dialogue hinted that Poppy could be sex slave that makes me sick. Nopons should be cute fur balls! I’m kidding, bad nopon is fine, I just thought that part is unnecessary and Tora has so little in the plot, he doesn’t has enough reason to go along the journey. Many character design are excellent, but few of them are too sexual and too distracting. I like side quest, but I need certain rare blade to use certain field skills to do certain quests are little bit complicated in XC2. Other than that I love the main game. After 250 hours in the main game and 25 hours in Torna, I will take a break play other games for a while, then I will come back to get all the rare blade and beat some super bosses. Thanks again!
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I just wish that, instead of revisiting gormott, we also got to visit spessia
(spoiler)
From how Gort looked in the post malos fight, and the fact that those were also shown as part of the Indol forces, makes me think that the "indol stars" in the base game aren't actually titans, but failed Blade Eaters.
Firstly, I can confirm that there will be at least one update to Torna ~ The Golden Country, because I ran into a visual glitch in a cutscene during the ending of the game where the back part of the glowing loop thing Haze has was blurry for no reason (and had a sharp edge at her shoulders and was completely sharp on the rest of her), so they're going to fix that.
More importantly, they could actually ADD more superbosses, because it's not at all hard to put additional info items into the Nopon Halfsage's stock, and there's also a chance that they will give us some kind of custom difficulty settings in an update.
Due to a mixup at the store, they gave my mum the torna expansion instead of the base game and so I got TGC for Christmas. I knew nothing about Xenoblade except that people were fighting over whether Pyra or Mythra are better (I didn't know they were the same person) and everyone was upset that Rex was just a Mii Costume in Smash.
By now, I've played through Torna twice and the main game once and I like xbc2, but I love Torna.
It was incredibly easy (and a little cruel) for me to get attached to the characters because I didn't know what was going to happen. Lora especially, since we share a name, but Haze and Jin and basically everyone else too. I didn't understand what Mikhail was doing there and what the heck those blue people were doing (except that they were bad people apparently).
I love Torna in the same way that I love the Grimm fairytales my mum read to me as a little kid. It felt like a tragic, yet complete story. It felt like it was part of something bigger (because it is), but I loved that feeling because not having every piece of lore handed to you on a silver platter made the immersion even stronger.
Of course, it also massively impacted my view on the base game.
I didn't figure out any of Jin's backstory beforehand, I was still hoping for Lora to jump out of the ice and get him to his senses anytime soon.
I despised Malos with all my being the second I set my eyes on him. Same goes for Amalthus too, what a *****
Most of the main cast felt annoying to me, especially Rex, since I really appreciated Lora not being a tropey teenage boy protagonist. At times, I was actively rooting against him, and myself really. By now I have gotten used to them though, and I've grown to like Nia especially.
I had the reverse effect that I think TGC was trying to evoke by going to places also in the main game. A scene that's impact was especially magnified was the fight against Jin on Temperantia and his 'slave' line. The music thing you mentioned happened to me too in that arriving in Morytha immediately sent me back into the Tornan titan, where I thought I could still save everyone, and finding torna down there was just a punch in the stomach.
These are just some things I think were different for me in hindsight, having played Torna first.
Very well placed “Drifting Souls”.
My guess is monolithsoft wants to make the close up cutscenes more cinematic, so they try to make blurry background. To turn on shallow depth of field in this engine is probably impossible itself or on the Switch to keep the decent frame rate, so they use a workaround. It looks like the frame is generated, they put the blur effect on the whole frame, and then they put the intended to be focused character or object on top of it to create pseudo blurry background. As a result, the blurry but bleed out a bit under the sharp characters. It’s only speculation! 🧐😛
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12:50 I totally agree, especially about Mythra.
I have a very vocal hatred of Mythra in the base game. I fully believe that she is easily the worst character in the main cast in the main game, and I couldn’t stand her bullshit. She was just the stereotypical badly-written tsundere, who is on the extreme of the trope where she just constantly abuses the male lead as much as possible for no reason, and _no one_ calls her out for it.
But in Torna, ooh Torna. Not only does every other character call her out on her bullshit, but she actually has a believable _reason_ to be the way she is. Mythra has not been awake for that long, and as a result of that, she isn’t very empathetic, and part of her arc in Torna is learning to gain empathy for human beings, finding her own resolve, and becoming more compassionate. While I have some problems with Torna’s story, I _love_ how they handled Mythra, they managed to take my least favorite character, and make her infinitely more compelling, and they didn’t even have to change her that much, they just needed to clarify the circumstances which make her the way she is.
Interesting watching your final story thoughts. For some reason I expected almost everyone to die Rogue One style XD I forgot about Mikhail
is their any good theory about golden eyes but you forget that rex don't belong in fonsett village his mother carry all the way toward fonsett village his father died near a small titan
He's still Letherian. So ether there's another village we don't see, or Rex's parents fled to Fonsett, because that's where they or thier family is from.
@@BabafiBafi how can you be so sure of that there is no actual proof of that beside where rex found pyra that old torna ship seal only opened by people of fonsett village or architect already choose rex as mythra true drivers that would make because in the ending scene mythra see the visions of rex which going to happen after 500 ago
@@ManhwaXin Rex has Golden Eyes, which is what native Letherian's have, therefore, he is Letherian. He was not necessarily born in Fonsett, but he is absolutely a Letherian.
Atleast it was only a year before new xeno stuff
Anyone else realize that the driver teams are kind of color coordinated? Each driver mostly white with accents of a primary color. Lora and Haze wear red and white, and Jin wears white with subtle red-ish hues. Hugo wears blue and white, Brigid wears blue, and Aegeon wears white and has blue water things. Addam wears white yellow (with some black), Mythra wears white and yellow, and Minoth wears mostly black. Minoth seems to be the least like his driver, but it makes sense due to the fact that he actually isn't Addam's blade. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but I find it to be pretty neat.
Spoilers but the game’s been out 5 years now
I have know idea why it is said you don’t need to have played the main story before playing Torna. It spoils so much of the story some major like Amalthus and blade eaters and some minor like Mikhail being alive 500 years ago
It also loses the fact that you know how this is going to end you know from the main game Mythra destroys three titans
The only thing I wanted,was a better explanation for the ending from the main game,then I could die happy
Omg the ending 😭
This game made me want to replay the base game again. (i was planning on doing it anyways but with different costumes). Also in portable mode i noticed the fuzzy filter near malos's foot. In terms of story this definitely an amazing dlc. I kind of wish for a pre-sequel though. A sequel to this but still before the base game. Or a prequel to torna where we see the start of the war or when we see when malos first gets awaken or we see when the world tree was born. I feel like they can do so much with this. But most of all I WANT XENOSAGA TRILOGY remake that shit for the switch so i can play all my xenosaga with KosMos
Idk about anyone else but I REALLY find it hard to recommend playing the dlc or the base game first.
I think each have their merits but I think I would eventually have to say play the base game then torna then the base game again.
If you play torna first there's a few things that isn't good about that:
1. Mythras reveal isn't surprising
2. Amalthus being evil isn't surprising.
3. Malos being a second aegis isn't surprising.
4. Siren and ophion aren't as mysterious or cool.
5. A lot of lore and how the world works is missing since it assumes you are at least familiar with alrest and what drivers and blades are.
Playing the base game first keeps all those moments fresh and hit hard seeing them for the first time. But then going back and playing torna is really cool based on how it recontextualizes everything. And I think springboarding off of torna into a second base game playthrough offers a seamless narrative.
Anyone using the Bonus/Talent Skills/Arts? Like at all?
I def agree if torna was 30, id recommend it without any doubts, my friend ended up renting and loving it
Taking your advice in this video let me replay Torna and enjoy it more then I did the first time
Rex is the reincarnation of Milton and no one can change my mind
We all thought Rex was the descendent of Addam but in reality he’s Milton reincarnated.
4:15 I'm pretty sure that effect was also in the base game
Bought torra on its own, played 1, X, and 3 before. Would say it's worth it, $40 now is worth far less than it was 4 years ago, all killed-little to no filler
Super late, but yeah i really didnt like the weird effects they had going on in the cutscenes, its especially noticeable on haze's scarf, where the parts layered in front of her body are all HD, but the part flying behind her is a pixelated mess like the background is
HINOKA SEPHY PAIR UP
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The new Gormott theme sounds like a Star Ocean song...#MatoiSakurabaforXC3
This is not a review, this is a review DLC LOL.
48 minutes!?
While I do prefer and love the base game both gameplay and it's story more, I still think this was definitely a fun ride. I kind of hated being locked to do side quests because it kind of padded the game. But I do think the side quest stories were a hell of a lot better than the normal quests in the base game. Expect for the blade quests. Those I feel have their own special charm that I can't say whether they're better or lesser than Torna's quests. Man after that depressing ending I now want to relive the main story just to lift my spirits.
I kind of wish they gave Milton more relevancy. Like he just exists just to die for Mythra's development. Yeah we find out how from him how he met Addam and Mythra and that he teases her a lot. But it seems throughout the entire adventure him and Mikhail are just there. Expect he doesn't have a role in the main game later like Mik does. Maybe have them be involved in some of the side quest stories. I haven't done them all so I don't know if it's true.
Um, I'm 18hrs in and still missing 4 community members for Lv. 2. All the side quests I have available are item quests. I don't know where to get the items. Wanted to play blind, but like XC2, this game is near impossible to beat without resorting to online guides.
Good review Lux! You should review other games!
Damn almost 50 minutes!?!
That song his talking about
It’s drifting souls right?
You should play xenogears and talk about how xenoblade is basically a more lighthearted retelling of xenogears
You mentioned a theory about Addam and the pneuma sword, what is it
Have you seen the bonus you get in the theater after finishing both games?
What did you think of the Econ Homework?
Wait when does it say Addam has a wife?
SuperFrubblez its a sidequest shhhh