Accumulated Discharge/Charge Energy counters probably include energy regened (then used again) during driving. Accumulated Charge Energy gained 7 kWh from regen during range test (from 3231 kwh to 3238 kWh = 7 kWh). And there is exactly 7kWh between 82 kWh (charging session in obd2 app) and 89 kWh (discharged at range test).
@@belopol I'm about to order a Seal here in Denmark .. Guess I have nothing to worry then? 🤷♂ I'm swapping my Audi Q4 40 e-tron out with a BYD Seal instead. It's not that I don't like the Q4, but I'm just sooooo tired of Audi and their overall software issues.
it has been a month that i bought Byd Han awd and it gives 450 km easily in highway and 500-550 in city roads and it cost me 46000 usd. its very fast, very comfortable and it has very good build quality. there is no other car you can buy for this price with these features. he was driving in normal and high brake mode. if you drive in eco and standart brake mode it will give you more km.
@@aminemarius1825 its perfect for me. I saw some videos on youtube says its good but not best. But for me its perfect. Of course there can be better cars with better isolation but its good for me. Before this i had lexus gs 2013 and its much better than lexus in all terms not only isolation.
That crawling at the end probably means that there's little to no below zero range. The cells are so close to their low voltage limit that it won't let you draw any significant current to avoid cratering them and causing permanent damage.
Thanks for this detailed review! Your comments about Chinese cars are supported by my MG5 (upgraded) Trophy LD model I've run since Dec. 2022. Basically a good estate car, but software functionality is inconsistent and difficult to access with left-hand from the screen when driving. Can't turn off the radio, so have to mute it. Lane correct/alert is so annoying I've disabled it, and anti-front collision protection is very unpredictable and applies the brakes in a random, severe manner which is hazardous. Moral? A,B,C Always Be Cancelling software over-rides.
You ever thought of adding some reviews of the phone apps to go with the cars: mapping, live charge status, charge station accuracy etc. I ask as now I have. BMW EV I'm fairly unimpressed by the app. No 5 minute wary of charge completion, end of charge-map app still shows petrol stations (why?), my local charger is in the wrong place, and there's no way to get details on consumption or charging curve. Tronity does better status -while ABRP blows it away for routing. It's a shame ABRP doesn't let me download destinations to the car the way Apple Maps does
The car isn't able to path plan and predict at higher speeds accurately or safely. Likely due to both hardware processing limitations and software immaturity. Processing requirements increase exponentially as speed increases. Low visibility and night contrast only compound these problems as the neural net tries to keep up. And this is why the auto steer isn't that great at lower speeds and is outright dangerous at higher speeds.
It sounds correct. Mute means mute, pause means pause. HP hours is a very odd unit for expressing stored energy though. It’s the result of the conversion from imperial to metric in the on-board system I think. Watts has always been an imperial measurement, much like horsepower, so there is no need to convert kW into HP as its Watts in both systems. In my simplistic way of looking that this Horsepower is work, Watts is capacity to do work and not a unit of work itself. Better to explain a heat engines capacity to do work in HP but an electrical storage system in Watts. Just my opinion.
Yes, technically Han does the correct thing which is to mute but still keep playing. However, it's been an industry standard to pause and mute at the same time. And in a way, it makes perfect sense to pause and mute at the same time as long as you're playing something that can be paused. For a radio, when you mute, you only mute of course. So doing something completely different from what people are used to is a bad idea.
@@bjornnyland Hi Bjorn, Yes, I agree with the industry standard and your comment. It’s just a matter of semantics on my part. Of course, you cannot pause radio unless it’s digital DAB, and then only in some situations anyway. I agree they have done the right thing, which leads me to think how industry got to this situation of having mute also act as pause! Perhaps they should change combined command to Mause. 😀
Looks to me from your text like you might be mixing up watts with watthours. The latter one could be said to do "capacity to do work", in some way. But its better to just use "energy", which is what it is. Exactly the same as joule. Also, neither watt or or horsepower are "work" per se. They are simply "power" both of them, with just a different factor applied.
It’s more efficient to stop playing when on mute, do I never understand who needs the mute button? I always pause the music or just scroll te volume down
Oh no! I care about the noise test. You know its valuable data when comparing cars. Maybe you could still collect it and then make videos where you use the data some time later?
I had a Han on loan for a weekend and measured the noise using an app. On a dry motorway it measured 69.2 Db in 80 Km/t, and I compared it to my Jaguar XF diesel who measured 71.5 Db. So slightly quieter. The car I used was loaned from a dealer and had Michelin tires, who are regarded as quiet tires, and the car was also Mercasol treated as an anti rust measure, but I also think they may have added sound proofing to lower the tyre noise as that has been criticized in a lot of tests. There's a Chinese guy who sound proofed the whole car, but unfortunately there was nothing about the result in the article. :( But don't get me wrong, this is not a noisy vehicle, but it could have been better.
Hopefully BYD has ota updates. It looks like the software is not yet finished and you are the alpha/beta tester. Kind of dangerous “fsd“ with higher speeds. Strange that the car already has its European type approval. But may still be a nice car in the end.
@@somerealrandomguy Strange my friend got the Han since 7 months and it never got a single update. The Autopilot is straight up dangerous. And the Software Bugs are fucking insane.
Excellent video Mr. Bjorn! Question….would you say all these Chinese manufactures are sharing the same software…certainly looks like they suffer some of the same issues…auto steering needs major attention or they’re going to get all sorts of problems causing accidents…with so much Chinese government oversight, maybe they have to use software endorsed / funded by the government? How can it be so bad when they’ve had so much European, input into the cars…European, Japanese and Korean OEM’s sorted lane keeping many years ago…
Hej Björn, perhaps someone else mentioned it already, but at ~2:30 above the picture with the graph, you can see the average consumption, I guess that's what you where looking for. Thanks for your entertaining and informative videos. When doing tests in hilly areas pleas check and let us know if the cars keep the adjusted cruise control speed, I wonder if Zoe is the only electric car that cannot handle this, evenif it is capable when not on cruisecontrol but in B mode. Best wishes, Karl
The problem is that there is no consumption info for the whole trip, only for the last 50 km. Should be an easy fix for BYD as it is only software related and should be standard for an EV.
That's a rolling average for the past 50 km. It's possible to use that one but it's very clumsy. Watch this video to understand why: th-cam.com/video/0I_NOFV4ONQ/w-d-xo.html
I havent driven any Reanult EVs but in Renault ICE cars, the cruise control is in many cases by far the worst in the business. Laughably bad really, I guess they had the idea no one would use it? It drops speeds, then speeds up endlessly. Even shifts down and almost gives full power sometimes. So it might just be Renaults extremly bad cruise control software that found its way into the zoe as well.
@@bjornnyland Interesting, that's the way it works in my BYD. Also I have found the auto steering works well as long as the lanes are well defined and the camera lenses are clean. Personally I now know how to do all this, and find the system can be useful. But it is an issue with this type of system that if you don't take care, it may not work safely. Just as making sure tyre pressures are OK and windows are clean, drivers have to take responsibility round these systems if the vehicle is to be operated safely.
BYD software is a disaster. The only thing they care about is pumping out as many cars as possible from the factories, they either lack skilled people in the software department, or they just don't give a shit after the car is sold. I had a Tang, and in over 1 year of ownership they did basically no software updates to speak of. Sold it and bought a Tesla model Y. What a great upgrade, both build quality and software wise. I recommend you don't buy a BYD until they sort out how to make good software and other wierd problems with their cars. An important thing to mention is that BYD uses ultra thin steel in their cars, thinner than anything I've ever seen. You can basically dent the cars with your finger where the sheet metal is not curved...
@@papapa1114 Obviously you don't know much about electric cars, at least 😅 there are currently no better electric cars than Tesla if you summarize all the aspects in my opinion
@@discoking7188 Tesla is great for people who drive, but not for people who ride. I have experienced the backseat of the Model Y and it makes me not want to sit in it a second time at all. Just in passengers' perspective, BYD is more like a luxury car, no doubt. At least the ride is very comfortable. Tesla's software is also useless for Chinese consumers. There is few software to adapt and FSD beta is far away to open for Chinese market. If Chinese consumers really care about software, they would choose AITO or AVATAR, which uses Huawei's L3 ADAS and software. Or choose NIO, XPENG and LiXiang. (Lixiang sells more than benz, bmw audi currently, in same price level). Around my friends, those who chose Tesla basically don't have a family, or they don't think about having the next generation (basically just they and their spouse using the car). They care more about the driving performance and social attributes of Tesla. Chinese netizens have summarized the "attributes" of various car enthusiasts, about Tesla users: 'use Apple, drink Starbucks, drive a Tesla, and their phone cases must be CASETiFY'. Driving Tesla is just like a 'social buff' - a tech enthusiast, a little rich, young and hip. Therefore, I won't choose Tesla, cause it isn't a good 'family use' car. My girlfriend and I did not take any delight in the tesla , and my family did not like riding in the tesla. In this point, the BYD han ev is without doubt a much better choice.
This is a horrible car dude, super expensive, non-modular and has no active cooling during charging cycles… Also it uses up lot of energy, my Nissan Leaf 2021 only averages at 10,5 KW per 100 KM…
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Accumulated Discharge/Charge Energy counters probably include energy regened (then used again) during driving. Accumulated Charge Energy gained 7 kWh from regen during range test (from 3231 kwh to 3238 kWh = 7 kWh). And there is exactly 7kWh between 82 kWh (charging session in obd2 app) and 89 kWh (discharged at range test).
Bjorn, I look forward to you testing the BYD Seal.
@@belopol did it happend wit the atto?
@@belopol I'm about to order a Seal here in Denmark .. Guess I have nothing to worry then? 🤷♂
I'm swapping my Audi Q4 40 e-tron out with a BYD Seal instead. It's not that I don't like the Q4, but I'm just sooooo tired of Audi and their overall software issues.
it has been a month that i bought Byd Han awd and it gives 450 km easily in highway and 500-550 in city roads and it cost me 46000 usd. its very fast, very comfortable and it has very good build quality. there is no other car you can buy for this price with these features. he was driving in normal and high brake mode. if you drive in eco and standart brake mode it will give you more km.
how about sound isolation !!!
@@aminemarius1825 its perfect for me. I saw some videos on youtube says its good but not best. But for me its perfect. Of course there can be better cars with better isolation but its good for me. Before this i had lexus gs 2013 and its much better than lexus in all terms not only isolation.
@@sabitbagirli7399 how about the noise , does it's a quiet car !!!
@@aminemarius1825 yes very quiet car
The Tang came out before the EQS…hmm Mercedes is the ABC! Haha
Björn is the best
Bjørn
U mean the most boring😂😂
Let's wait for the test of the BYD Seal👍
Yeap🎉, all fans are waiting for Tesla Y RWD with BYD battery. Finger cros 🤞
That crawling at the end probably means that there's little to no below zero range. The cells are so close to their low voltage limit that it won't let you draw any significant current to avoid cratering them and causing permanent damage.
LOL I learn new term, BEV vehicle cratering.
@@BigEightiesNewWave I just picked what I thought was a good word, lol.
Thanks for this detailed review! Your comments about Chinese cars are supported by my MG5 (upgraded) Trophy LD model I've run since Dec. 2022. Basically a good estate car, but software functionality is inconsistent and difficult to access with left-hand from the screen when driving. Can't turn off the radio, so have to mute it. Lane correct/alert is so annoying I've disabled it, and anti-front collision protection is very unpredictable and applies the brakes in a random, severe manner which is hazardous. Moral? A,B,C Always Be Cancelling software over-rides.
how is that autosteer legal to be on the road but ppl bitch about FSD 😂
You ever thought of adding some reviews of the phone apps to go with the cars: mapping, live charge status, charge station accuracy etc. I ask as now I have. BMW EV I'm fairly unimpressed by the app. No 5 minute wary of charge completion, end of charge-map app still shows petrol stations (why?), my local charger is in the wrong place, and there's no way to get details on consumption or charging curve. Tronity does better status -while ABRP blows it away for routing. It's a shame ABRP doesn't let me download destinations to the car the way Apple Maps does
This model sells over 20k each month in China.
When do you think you get to do the XPENG G9 test?
The car isn't able to path plan and predict at higher speeds accurately or safely. Likely due to both hardware processing limitations and software immaturity. Processing requirements increase exponentially as speed increases. Low visibility and night contrast only compound these problems as the neural net tries to keep up. And this is why the auto steer isn't that great at lower speeds and is outright dangerous at higher speeds.
It sounds correct. Mute means mute, pause means pause. HP hours is a very odd unit for expressing stored energy though. It’s the result of the conversion from imperial to metric in the on-board system I think. Watts has always been an imperial measurement, much like horsepower, so there is no need to convert kW into HP as its Watts in both systems. In my simplistic way of looking that this Horsepower is work, Watts is capacity to do work and not a unit of work itself. Better to explain a heat engines capacity to do work in HP but an electrical storage system in Watts. Just my opinion.
Yes, technically Han does the correct thing which is to mute but still keep playing. However, it's been an industry standard to pause and mute at the same time. And in a way, it makes perfect sense to pause and mute at the same time as long as you're playing something that can be paused. For a radio, when you mute, you only mute of course.
So doing something completely different from what people are used to is a bad idea.
@@bjornnyland Hi Bjorn, Yes, I agree with the industry standard and your comment. It’s just a matter of semantics on my part. Of course, you cannot pause radio unless it’s digital DAB, and then only in some situations anyway. I agree they have done the right thing, which leads me to think how industry got to this situation of having mute also act as pause! Perhaps they should change combined command to Mause. 😀
Looks to me from your text like you might be mixing up watts with watthours. The latter one could be said to do "capacity to do work", in some way. But its better to just use "energy", which is what it is. Exactly the same as joule.
Also, neither watt or or horsepower are "work" per se. They are simply "power" both of them, with just a different factor applied.
It’s more efficient to stop playing when on mute, do I never understand who needs the mute button? I always pause the music or just scroll te volume down
Range test ByD Seal, please!!!! ❤❤❤
cool review, thanks! could you make a similar about Zeekr 001 or Zeekr x, when they arrive in Norway?
What do you think about hiphi z, will it be popular?
@@vipvip-tf9rw I don't think so
Машина с двс также работает на постоянной скорости, потребляя при 100км/ч 30кВтч или 41л.с. ч. Бьёрн сделал для себя открытие, поздравляю😉😉😉
Oh no! I care about the noise test. You know its valuable data when comparing cars. Maybe you could still collect it and then make videos where you use the data some time later?
I had a Han on loan for a weekend and measured the noise using an app. On a dry motorway it measured 69.2 Db in 80 Km/t, and I compared it to my Jaguar XF diesel who measured 71.5 Db. So slightly quieter.
The car I used was loaned from a dealer and had Michelin tires, who are regarded as quiet tires, and the car was also Mercasol treated as an anti rust measure, but I also think they may have added sound proofing to lower the tyre noise as that has been criticized in a lot of tests.
There's a Chinese guy who sound proofed the whole car, but unfortunately there was nothing about the result in the article. :(
But don't get me wrong, this is not a noisy vehicle, but it could have been better.
Hopefully BYD has ota updates. It looks like the software is not yet finished and you are the alpha/beta tester. Kind of dangerous “fsd“ with higher speeds. Strange that the car already has its European type approval. But may still be a nice car in the end.
No OTA updates currently
@@kenion2166 That's strange, the BYD Atto 3 gets OTA and the last month OTA improves Adaptive Cruise Control as well as Regen Breaking.
@@somerealrandomguy Strange my friend got the Han since 7 months and it never got a single update. The Autopilot is straight up dangerous. And the Software Bugs are fucking insane.
@@kenion2166 Han has OTA updates, but at really slow pace.
@@SamiYit's not a autopilot really. And yes it's bad 😅 I had a tesla before my Han
Lost In Translation is the right statement... I don't think that this car will made it in Europe.. we are more demanding 👻😂
Please do BYD Seal
The great cool stuff about the car also is it never fail any handshake.. No need holding the cable to charge up at DC fast charger..
比亚迪的充电技术，是全球最稳定的没有之一，它的技术主要在于持续且高效。而且它是利用车身进行升压的……并非利用额外增加的设备进行提升电压快充。
Thanks a lot for the interesting video ! Where can I find the OBD port on the Han ? I can't seem to find that info anywhere... Thanks !
Would love to see a test of the seal U
7:26 autokill feature 😂
Cool car but the absence of folding seats makes it useless as the only car in a family
will you still be sponsored now that ABRP has been acquired?
Auto steering maybe meant for slower speeds like below 90?
7:50 best 😂shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeet ever
People care about noise. Particularly on highway.
is there a possibility that the eqs was copying the byd😅
Top speed is 188. Is it limited or the whole power?
A great car that places Tesla in the slow lane.
Excellent video Mr. Bjorn! Question….would you say all these Chinese manufactures are sharing the same software…certainly looks like they suffer some of the same issues…auto steering needs major attention or they’re going to get all sorts of problems causing accidents…with so much Chinese government oversight, maybe they have to use software endorsed / funded by the government? How can it be so bad when they’ve had so much European, input into the cars…European, Japanese and Korean OEM’s sorted lane keeping many years ago…
How deep is your bass
Good
Is it only me who thinks that this cars doesnt look THAT good? I mean its ok looking i guess, but i much rather prefer xpeng p7 or nio et7
Definitely much nicer car than Seal. It looks like 5 series of BYD
Maybe there's an orange inside the steering wheel!
Remember to look at the regenerated energy at you’re journey. So I guess the wh by the car is actually correct.
*your
How much would a car like that would cost in Canada or in the US? 37:01
People don't want PRC brands because of poor build quality and because these tofu cars come with extreme depreciation.
Hej Björn,
perhaps someone else mentioned it already, but at ~2:30 above the picture with the graph, you can see the average consumption, I guess that's what you where looking for.
Thanks for your entertaining and informative videos.
When doing tests in hilly areas pleas check and let us know if the cars keep the adjusted cruise control speed, I wonder if Zoe is the only electric car that cannot handle this, evenif it is capable when not on cruisecontrol but in B mode.
Best wishes, Karl
The problem is that there is no consumption info for the whole trip, only for the last 50 km. Should be an easy fix for BYD as it is only software related and should be standard for an EV.
That's a rolling average for the past 50 km. It's possible to use that one but it's very clumsy. Watch this video to understand why:
th-cam.com/video/0I_NOFV4ONQ/w-d-xo.html
I havent driven any Reanult EVs but in Renault ICE cars, the cruise control is in many cases by far the worst in the business.
Laughably bad really, I guess they had the idea no one would use it? It drops speeds, then speeds up endlessly. Even shifts down and almost gives full power sometimes. So it might just be Renaults extremly bad cruise control software that found its way into the zoe as well.
Bro i need to change my car should i go with tesla 3 and y or byd han ?
What about Fisker Ocean?
What about it?
@@bjornnyland You tell me 😀
Found your Interview with Mr. Fisker, very informative, interested to see the finished car!
UI looks quite nice
So, this sedan has about the same range as a 77kWh Ioniq 5 or EV6? Hmmmm impressive.
Build tour nightmares
The cruise control will set any speed on initial setting. It's only when you step up and down that it goes in step of 5kmh.
No, it won't. Already tried several times. Doesn't work like the rest of the car industry.
@@bjornnyland Interesting, that's the way it works in my BYD. Also I have found the auto steering works well as long as the lanes are well defined and the camera lenses are clean.
Personally I now know how to do all this, and find the system can be useful. But it is an issue with this type of system that if you don't take care, it may not work safely. Just as making sure tyre pressures are OK and windows are clean, drivers have to take responsibility round these systems if the vehicle is to be operated safely.
Maybe in Norway people buy electric to save the environment, and BYD is not making a good name with over production in China :/
I should be BYN: Build Your Nightmare...😂
BYD software is a disaster. The only thing they care about is pumping out as many cars as possible from the factories, they either lack skilled people in the software department, or they just don't give a shit after the car is sold. I had a Tang, and in over 1 year of ownership they did basically no software updates to speak of. Sold it and bought a Tesla model Y. What a great upgrade, both build quality and software wise. I recommend you don't buy a BYD until they sort out how to make good software and other wierd problems with their cars. An important thing to mention is that BYD uses ultra thin steel in their cars, thinner than anything I've ever seen. You can basically dent the cars with your finger where the sheet metal is not curved...
Oh men… if you consider the Model Y an upgrade that Tang must have been a nightmare 😂
The Model Y is so ugly though
@@papapa1114 Obviously you don't know much about electric cars, at least 😅 there are currently no better electric cars than Tesla if you summarize all the aspects in my opinion
@@discoking7188
Tesla is great for people who drive, but not for people who ride.
I have experienced the backseat of the Model Y and it makes me not want to sit in it a second time at all.
Just in passengers' perspective, BYD is more like a luxury car, no doubt. At least the ride is very comfortable.
Tesla's software is also useless for Chinese consumers. There is few software to adapt and FSD beta is far away to open for Chinese market.
If Chinese consumers really care about software, they would choose AITO or AVATAR, which uses Huawei's L3 ADAS and software. Or choose NIO, XPENG and LiXiang. (Lixiang sells more than benz, bmw audi currently, in same price level).
Around my friends, those who chose Tesla basically don't have a family, or they don't think about having the next generation (basically just they and their spouse using the car). They care more about the driving performance and social attributes of Tesla.
Chinese netizens have summarized the "attributes" of various car enthusiasts, about Tesla users: 'use Apple, drink Starbucks, drive a Tesla, and their phone cases must be CASETiFY'. Driving Tesla is just like a 'social buff' - a tech enthusiast, a little rich, young and hip.
Therefore, I won't choose Tesla, cause it isn't a good 'family use' car. My girlfriend and I did not take any delight in the tesla , and my family did not like riding in the tesla. In this point, the BYD han ev is without doubt a much better choice.
They copied the apple icons too...
Not bite HAN that feeds you.
Byd hạn chuẩn ok
BYD - bring your donkey
hilarious at 30:05. LOL
What the heck , no folding rear seats !!! 😀
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You do know that if you use his name in a thumbnail then the death eaters can trace you?
Quite high consumption and bad result. As big a battery and range as the base Tesla Model 3. It's a shame because it's a very nice car.
Yup, they're trying to make up with quantity what they lack in quality
This Han is a 4wd model, base model 3 usually is a rwd model, not the same energy consumption level
it offers more space, comfort, power, tranquility and even more svreen than model 3.
This is a good deal bigger car than a Model 3.
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EM mode on? A car can be bigoted and have many NDA's? I never realised
😲😍👍👏👏☝
lol can chinese fix engrishhhhh
Excuse me, but at 02:29 right over/above the wild graphs is claimed: average cosnumption 19,9 kwh/100km/h. Right, isn´t it?
That's for the last 100 km, not the trip.
Be careful, these cars are called Burn Your Dreams
Cannot buy this car, not worth it.
First 😊
This is a horrible car dude, super expensive, non-modular and has no active cooling during charging cycles… Also it uses up lot of energy, my Nissan Leaf 2021 only averages at 10,5 KW per 100 KM…
*kWh