@@Yami_Soryu Yeah but then he wouldn't be Ram. He would just be generic villain who wants to fight for his race. Because it's in overwatch, it holds dephs
@@NotMyUsername123I feel hazard has a really good story and I hope they keep adding more. Hazard served in war, realized the system dosent care about you after you serve and will abandon you. His line where he said “a system that treats you like a number isn’t a system, it’s a prison” and what not was honestly really good. I just hope they can keep expanding on lore like ramattra and hazard. Sucks the others aren’t as well fleshed out
i want more lore and story but the community now aka the blizzard SHills and ow2 delulu's want more skins and more skins aka so called content i would love that one day we get lore but the shills are just gonna deny it and tell blizz to make more kiri and mercy skins ONLY SKINS and more expensive ass battle pass shit
ramattra is the best and well told character in the game sad that blizzard treats ramattra very poorly while kiriko gets all support and shit by blizzard only
In my opinion, the best of the replicas with rammatra Zenyatta: There is a new sadness in you, brother. Ramattra: No. *sigh* I've simply grown tired of pretending I am content. Zenyatta: Perhaps I can share your burden. Ramattra: You already do.
What I really like is how much his interactions show he has more in common with humans than he thinks and also how lonely he is. When Ashe mentions he would have a huge bounty on his head and he mentions he dosent pay attention to humanities laws and Ashe says they have that in common. Him telling baptiste a helpful human would be a nice change of pace. He will ask polite questions sometimes to kinda break the ice like pharahs design or saying she should’ve destroyed Anubis, hanzo using a bow. Then you also see how caring he is towards those that don’t serve his goal like bastion and saying he will find twigs if he sees them for the bird, echo and aurora. I think even with him asking Ashe if she’s worried he will free her servant, hearing her get very mad about that and her giving off a caring defense of bob. I think it just makes his character and other characters that he assumes are 100% against omnics that much better. I truly enjoy his character
It’s really interesting hearing his talks with passive parties in before battle. He doesn’t get mad at venture, even though *their* human they don’t do war, *their* an archeologist. He does this with every character that isn’t against him.
I hate how, Overwatch, despite its flaws. Probably has one of, if not, the best lore and story potential in any game, especially as of late. The characters are so well written and designs are amazing. It angers me how Blizzard don't do anything with it. Such a waste of potential, and I sincerely hope one day, Overwatch will be more than a game. Even if I don't enjoy it as much as I did, I always come back for their characters. I'm just saying, I agree with Ramattra view but also agree it's a bit too aggressive, but it's also very understandable.
They don't know what they're doing with the game, like they nerfed Rammatra to sell Rein's skin, like they don't care about their work that has so much potential.
In any game? Brother there are so many better games with fleshed out lore than overwatch lol. But yeah the lore of overwatch (most of the time) is beautiful
@meowcow21 Of course, personally, I think Mass Effect 1-3 has the best story in gaming overall. However dosnt mean I don't think the lore in Overwatch (or the lore we got and all) is a really cool and interesting one that should definitely be explored.
honestly sigma, ramattra, the shimada brothers and the factions in general in overwatch have such good potential. Sigma is a eldritch threat kept in check by his shattered mind and mortality, Ramattra is a story of a being getting pushed over the edge, having their nature win over their nurturing and how "good/evil" is relative to your position, the shimada family (pre kiri) is probably one of the most interesting stories in fps gaming. Too bad it's owned by blizzard and the only hope of any story is if they make a netflix/amazon series.
I'll never shut up about it, overwatch has a lot of great characters with amazing stories and they can easily make a show like arcane about OW… like imagine a tv show about Widowmaker's story and how sad and drama the show will have. Like i genuinely think OW has good story and characters but Blizzard is just not helping people get into it with the lack of content
He was what got me into the game again. My friends jokingly called him a racist to humans and then when I learned more about him I understood why, but also that he doesn’t entirely hate humans. I especially warmed up to him when I heard how nice he is to the human characters in hat aren’t against Monica
Considering how he was teased right at the end of Overwatch 1, I'm guessing most of Ramattra's animated trailer was pulled directly from cutscenes originally made for PvE.
Ram may not be alone: Tear It Down, Hazard’s origin comic, featured a Ravager unit in Phreaks’ group. There be more surviving Ravagers out there in hiding
idk if it's just me, but that is the best part of a few ovewatch villains. Like doomfist reaper and moira are all fighting for what they see as a better world, but like rammatra they are the villains because they do it in dangerous ways that the people and the governments fear. Now could all of these villains have choosen a different path, yeah they could have, but that isn't as deep and iteresting as them trying so hard to fix the world the right way, until one day they've had enough, they are broken and decide that the right way isn't gonna work and extreme measures are needed to fix this broken world. Personally I can relate to them a lot, hell I might even agree with them somewhat as I myself have my goals of betterment in this world, but this is also what makes rammatra more relatable then the rest in this, all he wants is safety for his people, and so do I, and he tried the right way but it just wasn't working, not fast enough anyway and I can rly get that, now my people aren't the omnics, in fact it isn't nearly as racial as those I considder ''my people'' are the damged ones, the ones who had noone to help then when they where being abused and beaten, the people who need proper mental health care that won't fail them or further damage them, and I'm gonna be honest if all the people who don't have to deal with these issues decide that it isn't worthwhile then my backup would deffinetly be a rebelion, because it doesn't matter if you don't want mental health care for those who need it if you simply don't get a say in the matter other than maybe by being a soldier trying to stop us, but then it's your own fault if something happens to you. and again a thing that makes remattra relatable his willingness to work with ''the enemy'' cuz he doesn't see humans as the enemy, much like I don't see regular people as the enemy, he sees a problem, one that is being ignored by most humans and I see a problem that is beeing ignored by most people who are ''normal'', but if a person supports my goal without actually gaining from it, why would I tell him not to? any support is welcome, and alienating people is never good, just look at how the japanese people in the US where treated during ww2
Rammatra isn't immediately openly hostile towards most of the Overwatch cast. That's the biggest reason I think he's not a villain. There are absolutely people he straight up doesn't like but he does actually try to be civil.
I think the “we must rise ourselves above our oppressors, not to oppress them in turn but purely so that we can continue to live” angle is really interesting. Like very obviously anyone can look at that and say that he’s wrong, reality does not work that way, anger and bitterness and hatred will eventually infect when you’re ruling over those who once demonized you. But for someone living that, experiencing it, it’s possible that they lose sight of that. It’s such a shame that Blizzard has no intention of expanding on the story, as evidenced by lay off after lay off. I want more for my favorite tank
Ramattra is one of those villain that almost shouldn't be villains, having more of those "aren't this villains kinda right??" but then making them "extreme" and be the wrong dude that must be defeat He is really cool and isn't weird how little omnics we have as heroes, in a universe marked by them? Would be cool having more omnics and maybe some that can be Ramattra without being "the cruel and extremist enemy"
Ramattra is just too good for the lore of overwatch to be wasted over pointless pvp. Devs should had continued his story in like a animated series or atleast campaign of act 2 like they promised.
was gonna be the best and well told villain of Overwatch until the shills and higher ups took control of the content and just gave him recolored skins and no story at all and make ow2 into a cashgrab aka worthless fortnite clone
Your points about Bliz are totally true, all the suits up top have just made horrible decisions that only benefit their pockets... But how is ow2 a Fortnite clone? It already had skins and emotes and voicelines etc before Fortnite existed and the gameplay is nothing alike?
I love how the robot plots work in this world. Because where some other storys make it too black and white. Overwatch gives a key and good reason why so many people hate omnics. They were created to kill humanity. So people would of course be angry and suspicious. How many people lost loved ones to the omnic war? But that doesn't make them right. But it also doesn't make ramatra right either. He is the otherside of that rage. And he also had good reason. But where other omnic gained a humility with once being weapons, ramatra only found resentment. Where other chose to grow past the labels and to embrace the good side of humanity, Ramatra could only dwell on his rage. And so he never gained enlightenment. I live his interactions with characters because it humanizes him. Hiw even to humans he talks in a respectful tone normally. But he is short tempered with them about anything. But there are characters he reveals his rage to. Like genji for example. But that rage throws him off. Loke when genji displays his humility by agreeing with him that Zenyata wasted to much of his life teaching him. It surprises ramatra.
I think the most flawed part of Ramattra is how his creators/writers treat him so condescendingly. The reason for his existence can be completely summarized by being the final boss for the good guys to defeat in PVE, so he would need to represent an ideological opposition to our heroes, so his designers gave him two villainous characteristics that guided his role in the plot and unfortunately they ended up reducing him to that; His resentment and his anger management issues. The most iconic ability he has in the game is his nemesis form, which is basically a transformation that happens when he feels anger, where he grows significantly in size and starts punching the enemy while shouting his political slogans. (It's not exactly the treatment I would give to someone I'm wanting to represent in good faith. Even Doomfist, who is an irredeemable villain who punches his enemies to death, receives a more sympathetic treatment in the game's representation than Ramattra) It's sad to see how a character who is completely on the right side of history is treated like just a resentful, angry robot and how his entire ideology apparently revolves around that. In "Reflections", In the first public demonstration of the null sector, Lanet ( his friend) warned Ramattra that they were not ready for activities of that magnitude, he did not listen to her because of his uncontrollable irrational anger and decided to carry out the Uprising anyway, costing Lanet her life. For a character who was created to be a war general by Anubis himself, making such absurd and childish mistakes, is only possible with the people who write your story to see you as an complete imbecile.
The thing is, I don’t think his existence is specifically to be the big bad they beat at the end of PvE, else they wouldn’t write him as regretful and occasionally kind as they do. But also because of another player he’s seemingly afraid of. Anubis. Who also recently got their own map too… Not to mention I think Talon seem to fit the big bad group they have to fight, especially Doomfist although Sombra and Sigma could be taken out said equation peacefully.
@-voiddemoni-9243 Some of the voice interactions he has in the game show his kinder side, especially with zennyata, and I appreciate and enjoy them all, but most of the treatment that Ramatra receives is overwhelmingly negative, especially in game characterization and lore expansions. We can't escape the fact that the only pitch Overwatch 2 had was Pve, and the only faction they had to go against so far in the global invasion missions was Null Sector, and Ramatra is their leader, he was literally created to be the main antagonist and unfortunately the writers had no other plans beyond that. Talon has involvement in aperantly financing some of Null Sector activities, as it shows in the end of "storm rising," but they are far from being the main vilan in this particular story. Maybe they could have more involvement in the future, but I guess we will never know since the pve was canceled 😞.
My problem with Blizzard's writing is that its progressively getting worse in my opinion. I hated the mind helmets as it's an ordinary evil approach to a villain. The moment I saw Ramattra's cinematic I looked at him as an anti-hero. He wants to protect his people despite his beliefs, he cares about them. Although, I don't think he would mind helmet omnics, the moment I saw this I was so pissed at the writers as it promotes him just ordinarily being evil than a complex character with certain motives. I thought he would capture omnics and put them into ships to avoid them getting hurt in the war and keep them safe from humanity. A less evil writing approach, while maintaining an anti-hero appeal that he doesn't want to hurt his people but protect them. Mind helmets just make him look like a monster and gives overwatch a reason to attack null sector than the anti-hero concept. I agree with your video that Ramattra is a flawed villain which is why we can understand his motivations, but Blizzard took the wrong approach about this, leading to the character's eventual downfall of generic writing.
I think Ramattra is right, he had given chances to humanity to leave them alone but humanity still pushed and hated omnics. and he isnt just some one faced brutal machine, one of his voicelines even says "only the merciful deserve mercy". wich is right, mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent. if he doesnt do something, omnics will just countinue to die by humans, and eventually all die out. he was cornered, and he lashed out against the pedators.
I find it hilarious that Blizzard accidentally made such a wonderfully complex and sympathetic antagonist and then realized that players were agreeing with him too much so they made him a stupid, evil, shallow, mustache-twirling villain in their failure of a “story” mode. Only Blizzard can fuck up this badly.
I don't think any game has done the whole robots are people too thing as well as overwatch has, not only in just lore, but design as well, it's a shame that all it's made for is to get more dollars now
Like you can't tell me the designs of omnics aren't some of the best damn designs made for humanoid robots, they're all fairly varied while have a consistent theme somehow, it's magic to my brain
@@SILENTASSASSIN12I disagree with Detroit, There is definitely flaws in that game and there was a video that kind of touched on it that explains it really well. Not a bad game, but definitely not a masterpiece imo. It also doesn’t really have any of my favorite robots in that game really, tbh..I can’t even remember all the names!
@@SILENTASSASSIN12I love Detroit, but concept wise I think OW does it better. I love the idea that sentience is something spiritual in overwatch. But I do wish both mediums explored the idea that of souls or existentialism more, but they don’t rlly acknowledge those topics, that even if both are sentient it feels so shallow to just use it as an allegory to racism. I LOVE Connor tho.
Overwatch should invest in something Lore wise whether it’s a story mode, tv series or a comic book. The story is way too good to just be left at little snippets through gameplay.
When a king steps on the throat of a peasant it’s called a necessary evil when a lord takes food from his subjects and they die of starvation despite there being enough to feed them it’s called business but when the peasants ask hey why are things this way and they rise up and kill the king witch has taken many of his fellow brothers and sisters they are called a terrorist this is true to this day except the kings are not privatized and the peasants are as Hungary as ever despite the fields being more full of food than ever villains are defined by those who have something to lose from the victory of those who want to take there abundance and distribute it among those who actually made that abundance remember all those who have only peacefully fight for there cause are in graves they tell you mlk was a pacifist yet at the time he was seen as a terrorist if being an extremist is asking for those who toil the land to have a say in the use of the land well then I am as radical as they come ramatra dose what he must
everytime i think of ram i get sad, because hes my fav hero ever design/story wise, but when i think of playing him i get bored. his kit feels so slow and sluggish, and personally i think it lacks depth. i just wished he wouldve released in ow1 as an off-tank of some sort, because even if we go back to 6v6, i fear ram wouldnt have a place anymore, since hes kinda designed as a raidboss.
I wish Overwatch & the whole IP was owned by a company that would realize how many great opportunities they have... Blizzard is honestly moronic when it comes to Overwatch. They could definitely pitch Overwatch to a streaming company & find an animation company willing to either make it like the OG trailers or in the art style that is used during the moment when Rammatra is holding the dead omnic in this video... if they would actually make a show, they could fill in the story gaps & Overwatch would most likely become more well known & popular as well as stay in the public's mind & actually give the company time to create an actual story driven game. I hate that I want something to exist more than the creators do.
you came right to the knifes edge but didn't say it. HE IS NOT A VILLIAN. HE IS NOT A BAD GUY. He might have opposing views to humanity... but that does not make him evil or bad. He is a member of an entirety different species. A being that was manufactured, not even by human hands but by his own kind. every species has the right to fight for survival. To ensure the continuation of its own kind. Humanity is villain here...
widow is under talons control and talon wants chaos. By your reasoning Rammatra is also wrong because of the first omnic crisis killing thousands of people.
I would say he is more of an anti-hero, and his view of humanity is justifable at best, understandable at worst. Rama is the sanskrit word for dark/black and tra meaning defender or protector After Rama the avatar of a hindu god of preservation. Attra can mean "demon" or devourer. His name can also mean "shelter at this place/here"
Before I say any of this, let me just say that I do love Ramattra. Great design, great voice, great backstory. But his characterization actually frustrates me a lot. We see many times, especially in the old cinematics, the severe mistreatment of omnics. In soldier's cinematic, one is literally being beaten apart by street thugs. Mondatta is assassinated by a terrorist group. Etc. Etc. Why did they make the character who is supposed to represent these oppressed people, a villain? I'm tired of champions of oppressed groups being villains in fiction. To me, it feels fabricated, to make a plot that feels complex, without actually having to address any complex moral issues. Ramattra is a villain because of the destruction he causes, not because of what he believes in. You can effectively destroy him without feeling like you've harmed the omnic population in any way. Just kill the big mean guy. Also the whole "enslaving omnics with robotic headcrab things" reads as just so forced to me. This man's entire life revolves around omnic freedom. Violence against humans? I understand that from him. But taking agency away from omnics feels so counter to his entire world experience, it just feels like another way they make the idea of fighting him not complex at all. He's just a violent oppressor, and to fight him you need not grapple with the actual moral state of Overwatch's divided world. I see much more potential in him to be an anti-hero that would end up maybe aligning with Overwatch against Talon (ya'know, the people who assassinated a peaceful omnic leader). I could talk for much longer about why I think this game, sadly, is kind of at a point where its impossible for it to have a satisfying, interesting story that follows through on that original appeal that hooked us when the first game came out, but this is a damn youtube comment and its already too long.
ramattra hates stupid 80% of humanity who are believes in everything what told on tv and dont have their own opinion - only community opinion. its real statistic, not mine, 80% of people its a herd of sheeps. you know how meetings and football champions makes a lot of fights, traumas and deaths just because if everyone doing this - I need to do this too. its easy to write ANYTHING with ramattra, he can be in any situations, he can be kind to someone, he can laugh, he can be terrified and can be terrifying. he is deeper then just good tracer, he has more realistic character then anyone there, not just "good brother, bad brother"(arcane has this shoot too).
Feel like ramattra and zens dynamic are kinda like how magneto and professor x act for the mutant race
This is literally the most perfect way to describe it
@@nintendunks1802 I had in mind Megatron and Optimus
@@rlo2367 also peak
Yeah I was thinking Megatron and Optimus as well
Honestly yeah the thanos comparison does technically work but ram as magneto makes so much more sense to me
theres one line that explains everything about ramattra;
"Suffer, as I have."
Please lord save this masterpiece of a character from this game 😭
He wouldn't work without the game, what?
Where else could he exist? For now nowhere else
@@BlazeD_7 Ram's story and character is pretty generic, just the exact same story lol??
(in a good way ofc)
@@Yami_Soryu Yeah but then he wouldn't be Ram. He would just be generic villain who wants to fight for his race. Because it's in overwatch, it holds dephs
@@Yami_SoryuI’d say his story is the generic but his character has some depth to it.
Ramattra was likely the last character developed by Overwatch's OG creative team before most of them left the company.
Ramattra was a monk tired of Racism, so he started the next Civil War
Now we get a lady with rocks and a guy with purple rocks
@@NotMyUsername123 Literally. A guy with purple rocks 😂
@@NotMyUsername123I feel hazard has a really good story and I hope they keep adding more. Hazard served in war, realized the system dosent care about you after you serve and will abandon you. His line where he said “a system that treats you like a number isn’t a system, it’s a prison” and what not was honestly really good. I just hope they can keep expanding on lore like ramattra and hazard. Sucks the others aren’t as well fleshed out
think this guy might like ramattra
nah i dont think so
just a little
Who doesnt
too bad they're never gonna invest in story mode again to fully flesh him out
i want more lore and story but the community now aka the blizzard SHills and ow2 delulu's want more skins and more skins aka so called content
i would love that one day we get lore but the shills are just gonna deny it and tell blizz to make more kiri and mercy skins ONLY SKINS and more expensive ass battle pass shit
Ram can't even get a skin let alone lore
Ramattra is based. And his voice actor is Extremely goated, Voicing Aatrox instantly makes you a GOAT!
ramattra is the best and well told character in the game
sad that blizzard treats ramattra very poorly while kiriko gets all support and shit by blizzard only
Bro also voiced godrick the grafted
Key and Peele got me too much. I read it as "A-Atrox"
@@optloqA-Aron 😅
@@hi_may730 NO WAY that’s awesome. so underrated
In my opinion, the best of the replicas with rammatra
Zenyatta: There is a new sadness in you, brother.
Ramattra: No. *sigh* I've simply grown tired of pretending I am content.
Zenyatta: Perhaps I can share your burden.
Ramattra: You already do.
I think this is my favorite interaction in overwatch
What I really like is how much his interactions show he has more in common with humans than he thinks and also how lonely he is. When Ashe mentions he would have a huge bounty on his head and he mentions he dosent pay attention to humanities laws and Ashe says they have that in common. Him telling baptiste a helpful human would be a nice change of pace. He will ask polite questions sometimes to kinda break the ice like pharahs design or saying she should’ve destroyed Anubis, hanzo using a bow. Then you also see how caring he is towards those that don’t serve his goal like bastion and saying he will find twigs if he sees them for the bird, echo and aurora. I think even with him asking Ashe if she’s worried he will free her servant, hearing her get very mad about that and her giving off a caring defense of bob. I think it just makes his character and other characters that he assumes are 100% against omnics that much better. I truly enjoy his character
It’s really interesting hearing his talks with passive parties in before battle.
He doesn’t get mad at venture, even though *their* human they don’t do war, *their* an archeologist. He does this with every character that isn’t against him.
@@ShadicGD They*, don't be a worthless bigot
@@ShadicGDdawg if you don't like the game there's always apex
I'm begging you please use the right version of "there"
The fact that you’re both wrong, it’s they’re
Mfs getting mad over someone misgendering a fictional charachter
I think his in game voice line, “I do not fight for myself” fits him perfectly
I hate how, Overwatch, despite its flaws. Probably has one of, if not, the best lore and story potential in any game, especially as of late. The characters are so well written and designs are amazing. It angers me how Blizzard don't do anything with it. Such a waste of potential, and I sincerely hope one day, Overwatch will be more than a game.
Even if I don't enjoy it as much as I did, I always come back for their characters. I'm just saying, I agree with Ramattra view but also agree it's a bit too aggressive, but it's also very understandable.
They don't know what they're doing with the game, like they nerfed Rammatra to sell Rein's skin, like they don't care about their work that has so much potential.
That was the old lore team all heroes up to ram not including kiriko had their stories written by the old lore team
In any game? Brother there are so many better games with fleshed out lore than overwatch lol. But yeah the lore of overwatch (most of the time) is beautiful
@meowcow21 Of course, personally, I think Mass Effect 1-3 has the best story in gaming overall. However dosnt mean I don't think the lore in Overwatch (or the lore we got and all) is a really cool and interesting one that should definitely be explored.
honestly sigma, ramattra, the shimada brothers and the factions in general in overwatch have such good potential. Sigma is a eldritch threat kept in check by his shattered mind and mortality, Ramattra is a story of a being getting pushed over the edge, having their nature win over their nurturing and how "good/evil" is relative to your position, the shimada family (pre kiri) is probably one of the most interesting stories in fps gaming. Too bad it's owned by blizzard and the only hope of any story is if they make a netflix/amazon series.
Oh netflix won't happen. Overwatch was in talks with Netflix of a show, but they messed that up too. Google it, I can't remember the details currently
This robot had the potential to become one of the best villains in video games. He also had the misfortune of being owned by Blizzard
I feel like Ramattra to be the type of character that can be reasoned with. He's a pragmatic and calculated villain.
Ramattra is more like killmonger from the MCU than Thanos
He more like magneto
I'll never shut up about it, overwatch has a lot of great characters with amazing stories and they can easily make a show like arcane about OW… like imagine a tv show about Widowmaker's story and how sad and drama the show will have. Like i genuinely think OW has good story and characters but Blizzard is just not helping people get into it with the lack of content
He was what got me into the game again. My friends jokingly called him a racist to humans and then when I learned more about him I understood why, but also that he doesn’t entirely hate humans. I especially warmed up to him when I heard how nice he is to the human characters in hat aren’t against Monica
*that aren’t against omnics
Dude. Now that Transformers One is out, Ramattra having a Megatron skin makes this so much better. :)
Considering how he was teased right at the end of Overwatch 1, I'm guessing most of Ramattra's animated trailer was pulled directly from cutscenes originally made for PvE.
Knowing that Overwatch cancelled a netflix shows makes me mad
They did? Cant believe the company can be more bad
@@stuhl_lpthey didnt cancel it, blizzard sued netflix for something which means theres no way they'll ever collab on a series or movie
Stop spreading false info
Ram may not be alone: Tear It Down, Hazard’s origin comic, featured a Ravager unit in Phreaks’ group. There be more surviving Ravagers out there in hiding
there’s always this beauty for broken characters
idk if it's just me, but that is the best part of a few ovewatch villains. Like doomfist reaper and moira are all fighting for what they see as a better world, but like rammatra they are the villains because they do it in dangerous ways that the people and the governments fear. Now could all of these villains have choosen a different path, yeah they could have, but that isn't as deep and iteresting as them trying so hard to fix the world the right way, until one day they've had enough, they are broken and decide that the right way isn't gonna work and extreme measures are needed to fix this broken world. Personally I can relate to them a lot, hell I might even agree with them somewhat as I myself have my goals of betterment in this world, but this is also what makes rammatra more relatable then the rest in this, all he wants is safety for his people, and so do I, and he tried the right way but it just wasn't working, not fast enough anyway and I can rly get that, now my people aren't the omnics, in fact it isn't nearly as racial as those I considder ''my people'' are the damged ones, the ones who had noone to help then when they where being abused and beaten, the people who need proper mental health care that won't fail them or further damage them, and I'm gonna be honest if all the people who don't have to deal with these issues decide that it isn't worthwhile then my backup would deffinetly be a rebelion, because it doesn't matter if you don't want mental health care for those who need it if you simply don't get a say in the matter other than maybe by being a soldier trying to stop us, but then it's your own fault if something happens to you. and again a thing that makes remattra relatable his willingness to work with ''the enemy'' cuz he doesn't see humans as the enemy, much like I don't see regular people as the enemy, he sees a problem, one that is being ignored by most humans and I see a problem that is beeing ignored by most people who are ''normal'', but if a person supports my goal without actually gaining from it, why would I tell him not to? any support is welcome, and alienating people is never good, just look at how the japanese people in the US where treated during ww2
Rammatra isn't immediately openly hostile towards most of the Overwatch cast. That's the biggest reason I think he's not a villain. There are absolutely people he straight up doesn't like but he does actually try to be civil.
And his voice is simply incredible.
my favoeuite robot guy with the hot voice rammy the goat 🥺🥺🥺🥺
he is so cool, i love him
Yo man Keep this Up, I hope this channel goes far for the fellow Ramattra Brother
Ramattra is like the Malcom X of Overwatch
I think the “we must rise ourselves above our oppressors, not to oppress them in turn but purely so that we can continue to live” angle is really interesting. Like very obviously anyone can look at that and say that he’s wrong, reality does not work that way, anger and bitterness and hatred will eventually infect when you’re ruling over those who once demonized you. But for someone living that, experiencing it, it’s possible that they lose sight of that. It’s such a shame that Blizzard has no intention of expanding on the story, as evidenced by lay off after lay off. I want more for my favorite tank
Ramattra is one of those villain that almost shouldn't be villains, having more of those "aren't this villains kinda right??" but then making them "extreme" and be the wrong dude that must be defeat
He is really cool and isn't weird how little omnics we have as heroes, in a universe marked by them?
Would be cool having more omnics and maybe some that can be Ramattra without being "the cruel and extremist enemy"
Ramattra is just too good for the lore of overwatch to be wasted over pointless pvp. Devs should had continued his story in like a animated series or atleast campaign of act 2 like they promised.
He does what he does to for the right reasons but he’s gone the highest extreme, which in his mind, is the only way for Omnics to survive
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FAROESE FLAG SHOWN RAAAAAH
was gonna be the best and well told villain of Overwatch
until the shills and higher ups took control of the content and just gave him recolored skins and no story at all and make ow2 into a cashgrab aka worthless fortnite clone
Your points about Bliz are totally true, all the suits up top have just made horrible decisions that only benefit their pockets... But how is ow2 a Fortnite clone? It already had skins and emotes and voicelines etc before Fortnite existed and the gameplay is nothing alike?
I’m loving these lore videos!!
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I love how the robot plots work in this world. Because where some other storys make it too black and white. Overwatch gives a key and good reason why so many people hate omnics. They were created to kill humanity. So people would of course be angry and suspicious. How many people lost loved ones to the omnic war? But that doesn't make them right. But it also doesn't make ramatra right either. He is the otherside of that rage. And he also had good reason.
But where other omnic gained a humility with once being weapons, ramatra only found resentment. Where other chose to grow past the labels and to embrace the good side of humanity, Ramatra could only dwell on his rage. And so he never gained enlightenment. I live his interactions with characters because it humanizes him. Hiw even to humans he talks in a respectful tone normally. But he is short tempered with them about anything. But there are characters he reveals his rage to. Like genji for example. But that rage throws him off. Loke when genji displays his humility by agreeing with him that Zenyata wasted to much of his life teaching him. It surprises ramatra.
Crazy how him and venture are in the same game to me man
My main, my goat, my suffering
This video has had more time put into it than the lore writing of all heroes introduced in Overwatch 2.
And yet we won’t get any cinematic for him .
We NEED an Overwatch movie
This was amazing gimme more
I think the most flawed part of Ramattra is how his creators/writers treat him so condescendingly.
The reason for his existence can be completely summarized by being the final boss for the good guys to defeat in PVE, so he would need to represent an ideological opposition to our heroes, so his designers gave him two villainous characteristics that guided his role in the plot and unfortunately they ended up reducing him to that; His resentment and his anger management issues.
The most iconic ability he has in the game is his nemesis form, which is basically a transformation that happens when he feels anger, where he grows significantly in size and starts punching the enemy while shouting his political slogans. (It's not exactly the treatment I would give to someone I'm wanting to represent in good faith. Even Doomfist, who is an irredeemable villain who punches his enemies to death, receives a more sympathetic treatment in the game's representation than Ramattra)
It's sad to see how a character who is completely on the right side of history is treated like just a resentful, angry robot and how his entire ideology apparently revolves around that. In "Reflections", In the first public demonstration of the null sector, Lanet ( his friend) warned Ramattra that they were not ready for activities of that magnitude, he did not listen to her because of his uncontrollable irrational anger and decided to carry out the Uprising anyway, costing Lanet her life. For a character who was created to be a war general by Anubis himself, making such absurd and childish mistakes, is only possible with the people who write your story to see you as an complete imbecile.
The thing is, I don’t think his existence is specifically to be the big bad they beat at the end of PvE, else they wouldn’t write him as regretful and occasionally kind as they do.
But also because of another player he’s seemingly afraid of. Anubis. Who also recently got their own map too…
Not to mention I think Talon seem to fit the big bad group they have to fight, especially Doomfist although Sombra and Sigma could be taken out said equation peacefully.
@-voiddemoni-9243 Some of the voice interactions he has in the game show his kinder side, especially with zennyata, and I appreciate and enjoy them all, but most of the treatment that Ramatra receives is overwhelmingly negative, especially in game characterization and lore expansions.
We can't escape the fact that the only pitch Overwatch 2 had was Pve, and the only faction they had to go against so far in the global invasion missions was Null Sector, and Ramatra is their leader, he was literally created to be the main antagonist and unfortunately the writers had no other plans beyond that.
Talon has involvement in aperantly financing some of Null Sector activities, as it shows in the end of "storm rising," but they are far from being the main vilan in this particular story. Maybe they could have more involvement in the future, but I guess we will never know since the pve was canceled 😞.
Great video
First time coming across your channel. GREAT VIDEO just subbed looking forward to more
5:03 they're both purple too
Ramattra is so goated 🗣🗣🗣
My problem with Blizzard's writing is that its progressively getting worse in my opinion. I hated the mind helmets as it's an ordinary evil approach to a villain. The moment I saw Ramattra's cinematic I looked at him as an anti-hero. He wants to protect his people despite his beliefs, he cares about them. Although, I don't think he would mind helmet omnics, the moment I saw this I was so pissed at the writers as it promotes him just ordinarily being evil than a complex character with certain motives. I thought he would capture omnics and put them into ships to avoid them getting hurt in the war and keep them safe from humanity. A less evil writing approach, while maintaining an anti-hero appeal that he doesn't want to hurt his people but protect them. Mind helmets just make him look like a monster and gives overwatch a reason to attack null sector than the anti-hero concept. I agree with your video that Ramattra is a flawed villain which is why we can understand his motivations, but Blizzard took the wrong approach about this, leading to the character's eventual downfall of generic writing.
Ramattra is magneto
Why this kind remaind me : animatrix the second renaissance
So complex and yet he had hair while being a monk lol
If only the dev team that works in the actual game worked as hard as the team who develops the lore of overwatch
Numbani gave birth to orisa and i see that as an act of war
hey man pls make more videos like this plsssss,i would love one of genji and hanzo
Both Ramattra and Zen relationship is similar to Gojo and Geto from JJK
10/10 video
I’d love to see your opinions on Reapers story/character
It would be cool if Rams partners were introduced in the game
I think Ramattra is important for coexisting with humanity cuz humanity does not respect anything that cant fight back
i like ram too but why are we acting like this isn’t one of the most common types of of villains
This is nice and all but we get next to no story content anymore like when was the last time we got a cinematic?
I think Ramattra is right, he had given chances to humanity to leave them alone but humanity still pushed and hated omnics. and he isnt just some one faced brutal machine, one of his voicelines even says "only the merciful deserve mercy". wich is right, mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent. if he doesnt do something, omnics will just countinue to die by humans, and eventually all die out. he was cornered, and he lashed out against the pedators.
Another line of his highlights this: "We will fight like cornered beasts!"
Does Ramattra know about Mondattas assassination?
I find it hilarious that Blizzard accidentally made such a wonderfully complex and sympathetic antagonist and then realized that players were agreeing with him too much so they made him a stupid, evil, shallow, mustache-twirling villain in their failure of a “story” mode. Only Blizzard can fuck up this badly.
I don't think any game has done the whole robots are people too thing as well as overwatch has, not only in just lore, but design as well, it's a shame that all it's made for is to get more dollars now
Like you can't tell me the designs of omnics aren't some of the best damn designs made for humanoid robots, they're all fairly varied while have a consistent theme somehow, it's magic to my brain
I don’t know about that Detriot Become Human does it better but, OW is definitely doing it well. But to say best? Thats a reach.
@@SILENTASSASSIN12I disagree with Detroit, There is definitely flaws in that game and there was a video that kind of touched on it that explains it really well. Not a bad game, but definitely not a masterpiece imo. It also doesn’t really have any of my favorite robots in that game really, tbh..I can’t even remember all the names!
@@SILENTASSASSIN12I love Detroit, but concept wise I think OW does it better. I love the idea that sentience is something spiritual in overwatch. But I do wish both mediums explored the idea that of souls or existentialism more, but they don’t rlly acknowledge those topics, that even if both are sentient it feels so shallow to just use it as an allegory to racism. I LOVE Connor tho.
Overwatch should invest in something Lore wise whether it’s a story mode, tv series or a comic book. The story is way too good to just be left at little snippets through gameplay.
Thanos wasn’t the best example for Rammatra. Rammatra is literally Magneto and Zenyatta is based on Professor X
It is even funnier because then they brought hazard, who is probably one of the worse written villains.
When a king steps on the throat of a peasant it’s called a necessary evil when a lord takes food from his subjects and they die of starvation despite there being enough to feed them it’s called business but when the peasants ask hey why are things this way and they rise up and kill the king witch has taken many of his fellow brothers and sisters they are called a terrorist this is true to this day except the kings are not privatized and the peasants are as Hungary as ever despite the fields being more full of food than ever villains are defined by those who have something to lose from the victory of those who want to take there abundance and distribute it among those who actually made that abundance remember all those who have only peacefully fight for there cause are in graves they tell you mlk was a pacifist yet at the time he was seen as a terrorist if being an extremist is asking for those who toil the land to have a say in the use of the land well then I am as radical as they come ramatra dose what he must
everytime i think of ram i get sad, because hes my fav hero ever design/story wise, but when i think of playing him i get bored. his kit feels so slow and sluggish, and personally i think it lacks depth. i just wished he wouldve released in ow1 as an off-tank of some sort, because even if we go back to 6v6, i fear ram wouldnt have a place anymore, since hes kinda designed as a raidboss.
Do a video on Zenyatta
I’m a dps main but whenever I play tank I’ll always go ramattra
You lost me at Thanos lmao
bravo
I wish Overwatch & the whole IP was owned by a company that would realize how many great opportunities they have... Blizzard is honestly moronic when it comes to Overwatch. They could definitely pitch Overwatch to a streaming company & find an animation company willing to either make it like the OG trailers or in the art style that is used during the moment when Rammatra is holding the dead omnic in this video... if they would actually make a show, they could fill in the story gaps & Overwatch would most likely become more well known & popular as well as stay in the public's mind & actually give the company time to create an actual story driven game. I hate that I want something to exist more than the creators do.
blizzard really like wasting their characters with potential, they just hate writing more in-depth lore for some reason?
you came right to the knifes edge but didn't say it. HE IS NOT A VILLIAN. HE IS NOT A BAD GUY. He might have opposing views to humanity... but that does not make him evil or bad. He is a member of an entirety different species. A being that was manufactured, not even by human hands but by his own kind. every species has the right to fight for survival. To ensure the continuation of its own kind. Humanity is villain here...
He has IDE cables for hair. Is there wind sensors at the ends of them or what?
I SWEAR I DIDNT KNOW HE WAS A VILLAIN
Ramattra wasn't wrong about humans. Look what happened to Mondatta being killed by Widowmaker.
widow is under talons control and talon wants chaos. By your reasoning Rammatra is also wrong because of the first omnic crisis killing thousands of people.
The video is well made but I think the script can be written better
I would say he is more of an anti-hero, and his view of humanity is justifable at best, understandable at worst. Rama is the sanskrit word for dark/black and tra meaning defender or protector
After Rama the avatar of a hindu god of preservation. Attra can mean "demon" or devourer. His name can also mean "shelter at this place/here"
Overwatch lore (except for kiriko's lore): 😀
Overwatch gameplay: 😔
Humanity first 🗣️🗣️
Overwatch has a story?
Do sigma!
Before I say any of this, let me just say that I do love Ramattra. Great design, great voice, great backstory. But his characterization actually frustrates me a lot. We see many times, especially in the old cinematics, the severe mistreatment of omnics. In soldier's cinematic, one is literally being beaten apart by street thugs. Mondatta is assassinated by a terrorist group. Etc. Etc. Why did they make the character who is supposed to represent these oppressed people, a villain? I'm tired of champions of oppressed groups being villains in fiction. To me, it feels fabricated, to make a plot that feels complex, without actually having to address any complex moral issues. Ramattra is a villain because of the destruction he causes, not because of what he believes in. You can effectively destroy him without feeling like you've harmed the omnic population in any way. Just kill the big mean guy. Also the whole "enslaving omnics with robotic headcrab things" reads as just so forced to me. This man's entire life revolves around omnic freedom. Violence against humans? I understand that from him. But taking agency away from omnics feels so counter to his entire world experience, it just feels like another way they make the idea of fighting him not complex at all. He's just a violent oppressor, and to fight him you need not grapple with the actual moral state of Overwatch's divided world. I see much more potential in him to be an anti-hero that would end up maybe aligning with Overwatch against Talon (ya'know, the people who assassinated a peaceful omnic leader).
I could talk for much longer about why I think this game, sadly, is kind of at a point where its impossible for it to have a satisfying, interesting story that follows through on that original appeal that hooked us when the first game came out, but this is a damn youtube comment and its already too long.
Just wait till they ruin his character if they ever make a tv show or movie. We all know blizzard
If you think about it, he’s like MLK and now Max if they had a private militia
ramattra hates stupid 80% of humanity who are believes in everything what told on tv and dont have their own opinion - only community opinion.
its real statistic, not mine, 80% of people its a herd of sheeps.
you know how meetings and football champions makes a lot of fights, traumas and deaths just because if everyone doing this - I need to do this too.
its easy to write ANYTHING with ramattra, he can be in any situations, he can be kind to someone, he can laugh, he can be terrified and can be terrifying.
he is deeper then just good tracer, he has more realistic character then anyone there, not just "good brother, bad brother"(arcane has this shoot too).
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