I agree with Cross. Ballas being a silhouette was actually cool as hell. When his eyes started glowing to signify the telepathy convo was particularly cool with the bug lmao
It had been so long since I played The Sacrifice that when that first happened I thought it was one of those "unlock more of the picture as you learn parts of the story bits" and it really did add to the atmosphere
Warframe is notorious for having random cool bugs, i once teleported in space from 1 crewship(after destroying the reactor) to another crewship(new ship) Through a black void as limbo, it was the most immersive experience and the best thing i’d reckon any limbo player could have done, it’s a shame i don’t have the footage i wish i could rewatch it
Fun fact: There was 6 months between Apostasy Prologue and The Sacrifice (when The New War was teased), and then over the 3 years before The New War quest came out.
Yup the period between then and the new war FINALLY coming out we called it the wait within lol. And I’m pretty sure it was around that time when de would say it was coming soon, the community came up with the Primed soon mod meme. Man the memories
"Im starting to suspect Ballas is actually a bad guy" only 1 cutscene to change his mind,lol. I do wish DE would give us the events back like they said they would...there is SO MUCH lore hidden back there too. specially when it comes to our relation with Alad V and Erra once that becomes relevant.
Im having a blast as a new player. I am wondering though should i stick with one warframe for the prologue stuff and just level up guns? Its difficult getting new materials for the warframes i can build
Yeah i downloaded it a yr ago but didnt play it but ince i did, I was like there's gotta be a catch!!! It looks too good and plays to good, the fun level and stories are top notch
@@GooseMon101 I would suggest joining a newbie friendly clan and asking them to help you farm, or asking someone in the recruit chat if they would help you farm. A lot of vets are itching to help out new players. but all in all excal or volt are both pretty good to stick with, mag is meh.
Continuety, Wally, how Warframes were created, Kuva, the Narmer-Vails, the Infestation, Glassing, The happenings on the Zariman, even living in the same system than the Grineer... Yeah it would be really horrific, if we wouldn't be a one Tenno army
@@sitchreapotere1073 oh man the interlinking story is so good that when i started (year ago) it felt like all the quests were there on release. EVERYTHING lines up and my ocd is a big fan!
Seeing this happen to new Tenno a second time in such a short span made me wonder "am _I_ remembering the quest wrong? Were they actually black silhouettes?" Honestly I think it's so much cooler this way.
For people who don't know Ballas was the faceless voice you see in Prime trailers describing his creations. The primes are mass produced golden age variants of his original creations. The versions we get that aren't Prime are watered down versions of these Warframes after years of mass production.
Its kinda more complicated. Some Prime variants were granted as accolades for heros of the Orokin Era so they werent the original versions. Valkyr Prime also cant be the original Valkyr either. She was tortured by Alad V.
@shadowboy0126 Valkyr Prime is still the original. The way it works is if something significant enough effects a Warframe, every version of said frame is affected by it, it is why the Prime has the bindings as well, and why Xaku Prime exists and not the original 3 frames that became them. Also most people who were turned into Warframes were not due to accolades, but punishment, excellent examples are Ivara, Stalker, Jade and Dagath
@soupgirl1871 if Valkyr prime is the original from before she was tormented she wouldn't have the bindings. Prime was made after normal in Valkyr's case and everything else I've heard says so
@@shadowboy0126 Eternalism. Future and past happen at the present. Every event/choice/chance are simultaneously real in separate realities. Which timeline we are in is the devs decision, and in that one tortured valkyr created tortured valkyr prime in the past. Or whatever the umbra version of valkyr was needed to be restrained and the design carried over to valkyr prime and coincidentally Salad V also made that valkyr from schematics or something.
I don't think Ballas gets enough credit as a villain. He's such a hateable prick and his influence over the Warframe universe is vast. He created the Warframes, he tricked the Orokin into letting the Sentients be created, he aided the Sentients in bringing down his own empire. And that's not even getting into what horrible, _horrible_ things he did on an individual basis. He was never too big to stop and peel the petals off of a flower that wasn't to his liking, only the flowers were people that slighted him by not doing exactly what he wanted. Every time we think he hit rock bottom in terms of evil the developers add more details about his deeds that horrify and disgust us all over again.
And even doing exactly what he wanted wouldn't save you from his cruelty. His "kindness" and "rewards" for good service and loyalty could be even worse than his punishments, at times.
@@Psycordewell he was always petty. Just like all the other orokin. From the lore we know that they are so petty, just look at the lore of dagath, jade and stalker. Or look at the grineer queens, who are orokin.
@Psycorde I actually think the opposite imo. Ballas essentially wanted control over everything and he achieved that with the veils, Lotus's powers, and manipulation of the sentients. Even he wanted to control Margulis and never truly loved her iirc, so I think his actions against the Lotus especially in the last mission were in line with what has already been established.
It's been years since I've played through most of these quests, and now that I better understand the lore, it is very cool to now re-experience the story, and actually recognize what is happening. I am glad you are enjoying yourself Cross.
No kidding. Having to wait years in between quests and also not really understanding the lore in the first place was confusing to say the least. But now everything is making so much sense
Wow its almost like there was something going on in the world at the time i wonder what- Understandable when you know. Also deimos was supposed to come out AFTER the new war as well but they dropped deimos early so we'd have something to do.
Im a little sad Ross cut out the segments of picking Rells emotion cards. This quest didnt just introduce the Man in the Walls, but also established that Rell was autistic- something a lot of people in the community find relatable
The Warframe writers actually did such an amazing job foreshadowing the current story. For years they have been building up these crazy threads. Hyped to see how Cross reacts to the new stuff
The whole warframe story isn't written out, the developers only have a rough idea of the next story mission 1-2 years in advance at most. It seems like foreshadowing because 1) they stick to the lore from older quests when working on new ones and 2)they sometimes go back and retcon small details to make it all work (for example adding references to Koumei into quests that came out years ago even though Koumei only just came out)
@@SaxPanther Sorry to disturb, can I ask where they added Koumei references in old quests? I'm really into those new "additions" in older quests, I never replayed one
@@antiversum919 For example, after the Gara quest, you get an inbox message from Saya. After the Fates update they went back and changed that inbox message to have Koumei's name in it- not only for new players, but also for players who did that quest many years ago and never deleted the message.
All these Warframe videos just make me realize the potential breadth that live service games have to offer in terms of a long, overarching story. Amazing how a story that’s not split up over games or had parts removed can feel that much more epic
the best part is that, later, they retcon their own stuff by adding retcon as a literal universal truth. so they can go as insane as a final fantasy game. and that's saying ALOT.
> or had parts removed There have been some time-limited events which established pieces of lore that are no longer accessible, which is a little unfortunate.
Gotta say, it's super fascinating seeing what the story looks like when all played back to back. There was such a long gap between the quests releasing as it was happening, it built up so much anticipation for what was coming
Months of playing with an echo of lotus as our mission giver, an echo crafted by ordis so we could continue to bring balance to the system. Wondering what was coming. Then the first cutscene of the Sacrifice drops
cool thing about excalibur umbra is that since he is technically alive and you coexist with him. when you transfer out of him in a mission. he will continue to fight even without you piloting him.
Protea as your first Prime is very solid. She's useful in a lot of modes. As a recovering Wukong main, I'm glad you're not falling into the trap of just using him forever. Which, to be clear, you absolutely can.
@@TheOneWhoBugs I genuinely didn't learn how to platform until MR20 because he could just bypass every platforming challenge. Wukong is indeed a controlled substance
@@TheOneWhoBugs for my drug frame it’s yareli or I would like to call her The bubble kawaii unkillable razor blade optional surfer I use the aug so I don’t have to ride the board which makes her so much better
Meanwhile my Wukong Prime exists as nothing more than a tool to basically bypass Spy, Rescue, Capture, and sabotage missions. He's fine otherwise but his toolkit isn't fun for me.
To answer Cross question, every warframe WAS once a person. The orokin infected volunteers and people they voluntold, it turned them crazy. The Tenno, your operator, was on a horrible accident on the Zariman Ten Zero, a colony ship with most likely, millions of people aboard. It experienced a void warp “explosion” or whatever it was called in game. This void can turn emotions and feelings into reality. It can twist the minds of an individual and turn nightmares into infinite realities. It’s why Rell was talking about the Man In The Wall.
Imagine the Timeline and how long Rell was 1 V 1 the Man In The Wall..... and here we have been asleep all this time, doing cool space ninja stuff.... being loot goblins and mowing down hordes of enemy. Chains of Harrow really brought a perspective on autism to the WF universe, much respect to the devs to expand real world topics, i feel it encouraged more awareness, Autism is not Stupidity in fact most are very intelligent, just in terms of emotional stability they are sensitive and have difficulty displaying or controlling the emotions. The lore and storyline goes deep sometime and some parts fly over peoples head, but much respect on the depths they are willing to go. Amazing Storyline, i always wish i can wipe my memory and enjoy the storyline again for the first time...
@ you’re forgetting that there are universes where rell is constantly fighting the man in the wall forever because we don’t save him. This universe is just the one we’ve saved him in.
@@servers5717pretty sure our deal with Wally collapsed all the timelines with the Tenno into 1, with the exception of the (spoilers) Drifter. I say exception because Rell's death in the operator timeline affected Duviri
Finally my favorite quest The Sacrifice and my favorite frame. Excalibur Umbra. The best frame. Ive played Warframe for 10 years and Ive been an Excalibur main for all 10. picked Excalibur as my starter and mained him until Umbra and have mained Umbra ever since. Umbra is Space Dad. I don’t know if you noticed because of the skips in the video but Umbra can move around on his own while you’re in your Operator because he still has free will.
0:18 My first prime is the hydroid. He felt like I was using Davy Jones. So I named my RailJack the Hydroid Dutchman with the free skin you get from the rail jack storyline
So I do not know if Chat mentioned this, but the reason Rell is "different" is because he was Autistic. He was smart as all hell, understanding in detail things about void travel(read the comic), but as many autistic people(me included) he struggled with emotions. And hypersensitivity
@@MrMultiPlatformwhat? He literally was, Reb and Steve confirmed it. And a lot of the things make so much sense in hindsight. The Donda being a stimming gadget to calm him down, the “game” he used to play being a method to teach kids with ASD to recognize emotions on people’s faces. Why even bother denying it unless you’re just trying to be contrarian?
@@MrMultiPlatform rebbeca the dev said in a post on june 29th 2017 that he IS autistic so its not spreading a BS narrative it spreading a factual narrative confirmed by a warframe dev
@@MrMultiPlatform the developers said so, lorewise it's made pretty clear that he's autistic (both in game and from outside official sources, like the comic). You should try to play the Chains of Harrow quest
Can i just say that seeing someone else get to experience the thrill and excitement of what i went through playing this game is so amazing to me, i love these warframe videos and cant wait to see you play more!!!!
@@tomiokagiyuu9256 The Zariman 10-0 Incident. When all the adults lost their minds and started hunting the children. Some where described as jubilant and cackling. Others as just feral animals.
Timeless Eldritch Entity with untold power vs one autistic boi with alexithymia But for real, Rell suffered so much during and after the events at the Zariman (read the comic), he deserves the rest, now, we share the burden he held for far too long
@@rokkraljkolesa9317 But a lot of people think that it's all just autism instead of being 2 different conditions. Doesn't hurt to educate people with some of the nuances that is ASD.
Ah yes the Lotus left for some milk from the gas station and hasn't come back arc. Keep in mind this lasted for years, and only recently got resolved i think a year or 2 ago
"It was that somehow, from within the derelict horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing And take away its pain." I love Warframe and I love this quest, the emotional weight behind Umbra's story is amazing, props to all the people who worked on designing it, it's still my favourite quest in Warframe
Man, that moment under the tree when you finally reach Umbra never fails to make me shed a tear or two qwq On a side note, the youtube channel Noclip did a two part documentary on DE and Warframe and you should absolutely watch it ! It sheds a ton of light on how Warframe came to be and how much of a freakin' miracle it is that we got Warframe or that DE exists today.
It's actually fun watching well known gamers slowly get what makes Warframe and DE special. I've friends that"played Warframe" and didn't like it but when I looked at that profile have less than ten hours in it. 😬
Major props to DE for taking Warframe - a game where you carve, with ease, through literal hundreds in a 5 minute mission - into a place where you felt vulnerable and afraid despite wearing a suit of living infested space metal while controlling eldritch void powers.
I’m in my first 6 months of the game and I’m loving looking back and seeing guys like Cross discover things for the first time! Makes me feel like a vet 😂
It makes me so happy to see cross go through the warframe quests and start to theorize on the story himself, warframes got such an interesting and engaging story that has only gotten better as they release more updates, and with him finally getting into the new war arc i cannot wait to see how he reacts to that questline and what it brings to the story! I just hope nothing gets spoiled for him if he does watch one of the lore videos.
Welp, free context courtesy of someone who missed doing this quest: Rell was a Tenno outcast as far back as the Zariman days, the other children would often cast him out and scratch him as weird. When the ship got stranded in the void and all children got their void powers, only he knew the void's true nature, he studied it and "the man in the wall" until the ship was found by the Orokin. When the children got rescued and taken to Lua, Rell accidentally blinded Margulis and got cast out once again, which is why Lotus doesn't know of him. Eventually he found a group who were curious about him, he gave them all the information he knew and eventually led to the creation of the Red Veil. Rell used himself to safeguard the void entity he called the man in the wall, but upon realizing he wouldn't live the necessary years to protect reality from the entity due to not being put on the Reservoir, he fused his spirit with his own warframe Harrow (one which has no info about aside from his association with Rell). This is when it gets tricky, after the Tenno awoken their true power, Rell's own protection weakened, the entity was gaining strength and refusing his influence, which leads us to this quest. A bit of extra info about Rell, he's autistic, this got confirmed by Rebecca.
Hey dude, it’s been really cool just watching you enjoying yourself as much as you are in this game. Glad that you gave it a chance and that it ended up being something you liked. Hope you keep playing and keep having a great time, dude.
So to explain the 'Morality' system a bit more, it doesn't really rely on good and evil... it relies on emotion. Are you thinking, and feeling? Or just a husk? Empty inside, and broken? Even hating someone is better than being devoid of *any* feeling. Of being so far gone that nothing matters.
Love watching gameplay from a new experience while my Xaku Prime cooks. Keep up the awesome community interactions and gameplay reactions man. Youre dope af.
@@tomiokagiyuu9256 Both Chains of Harrow and The Sacrifice quests (The ones where you use the operator lots) are both much easier if you upgrade your operator from their basic weapon.
alot of people do it with the mote amp, its a bitch but usually now new players will just keep going through the quest since they are pretty good and want to get going through them. nobody wants to stop to gather stuff for an amp to then have to wait for it to be crafted.
I recently sat with my grandmother, talking to her as she was dying. Looking back at this quest which was already one of my favorite stories in all of gaming history, I wonder if Issah was slowly coming to the realization that his father was going to die in that bed. His words and his tone, especially in his last bit of dialogue before his death, mirror how I spoke to my grandmother. Memories of good times, appreciation, the honor he felt for being his son. In a way, I guess his father really did die.
I never get to watch the stream, but as someone with 1,400+ hours in the game I really enjoy watching Cross experience it for the first time. And also every time he unlocks a new frame and literally just uses melee over and over, lol. We just watched nearly an hour of Protea not casting one ability. Good times.
I think the pronounced melee use is due to it being easier to build strong melees than guns before getting into things like Galvanized mods (and now there's galvanized melee mods...). I like guns more, so the base star chart often felt like a slog for me, even if used my meager endo reserves for upgrading the available primary/secondary mods. For a long time melee felt like a panic button for "oh dang, this thing is tough" situations.
ONe thing you diddn't notice about Umbra it's the only fully automomous warframe. The warframe actualy still works when your in operator form and will back you up.
The Sacrifice is just so much cooler with that bug. Isaah being fully lit makes sense because you wanna get attached to him but Ballas being in full shadow with glowing eyes is just so goddamn cool
I think what would be really cool is if they put a spotlight on his son and the items of interest in the room that they want you to look at or listen to, as if it was a theater play. But NEVER shine the light on Ballas, keep his silhouette and dim the room lighting. It could be good symbolism too for Umbra blaming himself instead of Ballas.
The pure face of disbelieve once you found out what happened to the Lotus😝 i loved this Quest! It‘s such a Turntable! There‘s coming more and i can‘t wait for you to play the Rest as well! The Story is soooo goood!!!
This story is so good I love it when someone sees this quest for the first time. The realization that you’re not piloting a metal suit, but a person forced to relive a horrific memory forever, as they’re forged into an immortal war machine. And your operators purpose is to relieve their pain to properly control their abilities. It’s insanely well written story and totally heart wrenching. Watching Umbra cry in the final stand of his mind had me in tears when I first played it. I can’t wait to see the rest of your play through.
i really wanna see Cross react to reach of the Prime Trailers. BTW, congrats on Protea Prime. she very much is one of the best Warframe you can have. she has area wide damage that can and will shred your enemy with the augment, her second is a great DPS increase, her three makes her an amazing support and make sure you never run out of energy, life, or ammo, and her 4 let her spam the HELL out of that.
52:53 Man...I've got to congratulate you on your understanding of the plot. It goes over so many peoples heads. I've seen so many people complete the entire game and not understand the "Look inside an ugly broken thing, and take its pain away" line the way you did straight away. The only thing you didn't get quite right is that Umbra is unique in needing the Operator to calm him...Ballas had another solution for the other frames. When the proto-frames started going mad, the Orokin lobotomised them. They stopped them from becoming murderous monsters like Umbra by surgically deleting their personality. It was not entirely successful. When your frame saves you by breaking the sword in Second Dream...that's the remnants of the human your frame used to be going "Fuck you Hunhow! I'm going to save my operator". What Ballas did to Umbra is the old, prototype version of trying to make Warframes, from before they had Tenno to calm them. Ballas deliberately let the Dax that became Umbra keep his memories knowing that the most visceral one would be all that's left after he was driven mad (because he'd seen it happen with all the other frames), turning Umbra into an immortal prison for Isaah's father, where the only memory he has left is killing his own son.
This is incorrect, the protoframes didnt exist until Albert took Ballas work to 1999, the original frames were just in the same state as umbra but not reliving one singular memory, thats the difference. The first batch of warframes seemingly didnt have a bolt to be controlled at first and retained a lot of their original personality, such case is dante. The second round had bolts to better allow control over them and their individual attributes were more tamed. The final batch is the ones you make in game, duplicates without anything of the original except some manerisms.
He needs to see Ordis' back story, the cephalon fragments from all the main locations will make cards in the codex, and running your mouse over those images will reveal bits of Ordis, which explain how cephalons are made and why Ordis is the way he is.
DE big chilling because I can’t stop myself from giving them money. The cosmetics are fire and the game is like crack. If they ever did things like raids (but doable solo) I would simply grind forever.
A common misconception is that the first scene with Umbra is an ancient flashback, it’s actually shown to the Operator in real time. After the Second Dream, Umbras cell ruptured and opened unleashing him on the sol system, Ballad reappeared to destroy him before he became an issue, that’s why Sentient Lotus was seen in the vision.
Yeah................. Lotus's true form is horrifying. That isn't another person, it really is her all along. But don't fret, keep on doing the quests and you'll understand what made her ajust her appearance and become the Lotus we all know. Everything will be explained soon, Cross.
I started Warframe a few months ago, and as someone who was a diehard Destiny fan, I was blown away. I had thought that Destiny was cutting edge in terms of story, gameplay, size, and monetization. Oh, how I was wrong. People say “You don’t know what you have until it’s gone “, but in this scenario it’s “You don’t know how much you’re coping until you take a step back”.
This man will never know what it was like to be stuck with digi-lotus for years
3 YEARS
😂😂😂 was sooo long
Not to mention periodic Orbiter jumpscares for even longer
For fuckin real.
Digi-Lotus used to break my heart
Who would win? The great indifference that has existed since time memoriam
A single autistic child.
Props to Rell for holding out for so so long.
It makes sense because for Rell emotions are confusing and thus the Indifference can’t easily manipulate him like he does the others.
I teared up at "I'm tired momma." Rell was a true Tenno.
@@WiggsP5 mans didnt even complain about holding him back for years. Chad
Makes me wanna switch to Red Veil to support my man in the afterlife
Well the great indifference has won and it didn't take it more than a few thousand years.
I agree with Cross. Ballas being a silhouette was actually cool as hell. When his eyes started glowing to signify the telepathy convo was particularly cool with the bug lmao
It had been so long since I played The Sacrifice that when that first happened I thought it was one of those "unlock more of the picture as you learn parts of the story bits" and it really did add to the atmosphere
Warframe is notorious for having random cool bugs, i once teleported in space from 1 crewship(after destroying the reactor) to another crewship(new ship)
Through a black void as limbo, it was the most immersive experience and the best thing i’d reckon any limbo player could have done, it’s a shame i don’t have the footage i wish i could rewatch it
I didn't even know it was a bug lmao, i got the same one and it sorted itself out later
Fun fact: There was 6 months between Apostasy Prologue and The Sacrifice (when The New War was teased), and then over the 3 years before The New War quest came out.
Yup the period between then and the new war FINALLY coming out we called it the wait within lol. And I’m pretty sure it was around that time when de would say it was coming soon, the community came up with the Primed soon mod meme. Man the memories
And we were all stuck with a holographic Lotus ordering us around for 3 years. XD
Cruel days those.
Insane that I was playing the game when sacrifice came out, quit, came back and new war STILL wasn't out
And then Steve finally stepped aside, and the game is growing again.
@@joonashannila8751the Steve hate is an L. The game wouldn’t exist without him
“I think at the end of this… he’s actually a good guy.”
Holy SHIT that’s funny
dude was wearing a narmer mask before the new war...
@marcosdheleno Bro swapped one Veil for another
"Im starting to suspect Ballas is actually a bad guy"
only 1 cutscene to change his mind,lol.
I do wish DE would give us the events back like they said they would...there is SO MUCH lore hidden back there too. specially when it comes to our relation with Alad V and Erra once that becomes relevant.
I literally LOLed and almost spilled my coffee when he said that XD
@MrOrdosan We need to See Erras form before what we saw in TNW
Alot of players that has gotten this far in the game always says the same thing “I can’t believe that this game is free”
@@Rven6 bro I thought it was just me who noticed that. It’s always after the sacrifice is done lol.
Bruh ive been playing since 2014 and I still think the exact same thing 😆
Im having a blast as a new player. I am wondering though should i stick with one warframe for the prologue stuff and just level up guns? Its difficult getting new materials for the warframes i can build
Yeah i downloaded it a yr ago but didnt play it but ince i did, I was like there's gotta be a catch!!! It looks too good and plays to good, the fun level and stories are top notch
@@GooseMon101 I would suggest joining a newbie friendly clan and asking them to help you farm, or asking someone in the recruit chat if they would help you farm. A lot of vets are itching to help out new players. but all in all excal or volt are both pretty good to stick with, mag is meh.
"I can fix her"
A fair and relatable statement for all warframe players whenever we played The Sacrifice
and now It continued into 1999
He was so real for that.
@@katsuo2673 I'm not trying to fix Eleanor; I want her to make me worse!
To be fair, we did fix Umbra pretty good.
Ah yes the well known horror game Warframe
*Casually walks pass his doppelganger*
Tbf here, many of the story elements could EASILY be used as horror game building blocks. The backstory is fucking brutal.
Ultimately the tenno overcome much of the horrors, but their origin is one deeply embedded in a world of horrors.
Hey Kiddo
Continuety, Wally, how Warframes were created, Kuva, the Narmer-Vails, the Infestation, Glassing, The happenings on the Zariman, even living in the same system than the Grineer...
Yeah it would be really horrific, if we wouldn't be a one Tenno army
I never realized that "indifference" was called that this far back. Cool. Cool cool cool.
The chains of harrow foreshadowing was crazy
@@livingalife8879 the war within also foreshadows the new war and the handshake
They really do know where they're going years in advance. Crazy to see their abilities catch up to their vision through the years.
@@undeadinside3571 which part? Completely missed that
@@sitchreapotere1073 oh man the interlinking story is so good that when i started (year ago) it felt like all the quests were there on release. EVERYTHING lines up and my ocd is a big fan!
„I‘m starting to suspect Ballas is actually a bad guy.“ - Cross 2025
YOU DON'T SAY!?😂😂😂
33:10 ballas being nothing but a black silhouette goes hard
Did the game glitch out, that’s crazy.
@@Argyle117 His game overall looks... off. I wonder if his settings are on low
not the first time I've seen that bug, wonder what DE did to the lighting to cause this
Seeing this happen to new Tenno a second time in such a short span made me wonder "am _I_ remembering the quest wrong? Were they actually black silhouettes?"
Honestly I think it's so much cooler this way.
Happened again at the new war lotus/natah/margulis choice and oof, kinda sucks
For people who don't know Ballas was the faceless voice you see in Prime trailers describing his creations. The primes are mass produced golden age variants of his original creations. The versions we get that aren't Prime are watered down versions of these Warframes after years of mass production.
Its kinda more complicated. Some Prime variants were granted as accolades for heros of the Orokin Era so they werent the original versions. Valkyr Prime also cant be the original Valkyr either. She was tortured by Alad V.
These guys have erotic space Mom painting in their living room
@shadowboy0126 Valkyr Prime is still the original. The way it works is if something significant enough effects a Warframe, every version of said frame is affected by it, it is why the Prime has the bindings as well, and why Xaku Prime exists and not the original 3 frames that became them.
Also most people who were turned into Warframes were not due to accolades, but punishment, excellent examples are Ivara, Stalker, Jade and Dagath
@soupgirl1871 if Valkyr prime is the original from before she was tormented she wouldn't have the bindings. Prime was made after normal in Valkyr's case and everything else I've heard says so
@@shadowboy0126 Eternalism. Future and past happen at the present. Every event/choice/chance are simultaneously real in separate realities.
Which timeline we are in is the devs decision, and in that one tortured valkyr created tortured valkyr prime in the past.
Or whatever the umbra version of valkyr was needed to be restrained and the design carried over to valkyr prime and coincidentally Salad V also made that valkyr from schematics or something.
I don't think Ballas gets enough credit as a villain. He's such a hateable prick and his influence over the Warframe universe is vast. He created the Warframes, he tricked the Orokin into letting the Sentients be created, he aided the Sentients in bringing down his own empire. And that's not even getting into what horrible, _horrible_ things he did on an individual basis. He was never too big to stop and peel the petals off of a flower that wasn't to his liking, only the flowers were people that slighted him by not doing exactly what he wanted.
Every time we think he hit rock bottom in terms of evil the developers add more details about his deeds that horrify and disgust us all over again.
And even doing exactly what he wanted wouldn't save you from his cruelty. His "kindness" and "rewards" for good service and loyalty could be even worse than his punishments, at times.
*SPOILERS*
If it was ballas that first interacted with the indifference we would be fucking cooked.
IMO they've ruined his character with The New War, turning him from a complex and intriguing character into some one-dimensional petty wife beater.
@@Psycordewell he was always petty. Just like all the other orokin.
From the lore we know that they are so petty, just look at the lore of dagath, jade and stalker. Or look at the grineer queens, who are orokin.
@Psycorde I actually think the opposite imo. Ballas essentially wanted control over everything and he achieved that with the veils, Lotus's powers, and manipulation of the sentients. Even he wanted to control Margulis and never truly loved her iirc, so I think his actions against the Lotus especially in the last mission were in line with what has already been established.
It's been years since I've played through most of these quests, and now that I better understand the lore, it is very cool to now re-experience the story, and actually recognize what is happening.
I am glad you are enjoying yourself Cross.
No kidding. Having to wait years in between quests and also not really understanding the lore in the first place was confusing to say the least. But now everything is making so much sense
man I am jealous of new players, they can just play through the new war after sacrifice, while we had to wait years after that dam cliffhanger lmao
the necramech grind takes a long time tho
Ikr
@angelmatesmolanused to be. You can buy most of the parts from father now or even trade for built parts
@angelmatesmolan the grind has been nerfed multiple times now!
Wow its almost like there was something going on in the world at the time i wonder what-
Understandable when you know.
Also deimos was supposed to come out AFTER the new war as well but they dropped deimos early so we'd have something to do.
Ah Warframe, the most well disguised cosmic horror game I can think of
You joke but Warframe's lore is incredibly grimdark
@@Ashurman666I don't think they were joking. Certain parts of this game certainly qualify as cosmic horror.
Especially "Him."
Hey kiddo
People who don’t know: ha funny joke
People who know: 💀
@@johnprice6271 To be fair, Tenno for most anyone outside themselves ARE an eldrich entity
Im a little sad Ross cut out the segments of picking Rells emotion cards. This quest didnt just introduce the Man in the Walls, but also established that Rell was autistic- something a lot of people in the community find relatable
what can we say, warframe attracts a type
dude mactics reaction to that was so fucking funny
The Warframe writers actually did such an amazing job foreshadowing the current story. For years they have been building up these crazy threads. Hyped to see how Cross reacts to the new stuff
The whole warframe story isn't written out, the developers only have a rough idea of the next story mission 1-2 years in advance at most. It seems like foreshadowing because 1) they stick to the lore from older quests when working on new ones and 2)they sometimes go back and retcon small details to make it all work (for example adding references to Koumei into quests that came out years ago even though Koumei only just came out)
@@SaxPanther Sorry to disturb, can I ask where they added Koumei references in old quests? I'm really into those new "additions" in older quests, I never replayed one
@@antiversum919 For example, after the Gara quest, you get an inbox message from Saya. After the Fates update they went back and changed that inbox message to have Koumei's name in it- not only for new players, but also for players who did that quest many years ago and never deleted the message.
All these Warframe videos just make me realize the potential breadth that live service games have to offer in terms of a long, overarching story. Amazing how a story that’s not split up over games or had parts removed can feel that much more epic
the best part is that, later, they retcon their own stuff by adding retcon as a literal universal truth. so they can go as insane as a final fantasy game. and that's saying ALOT.
Warframe is a good example of the potential of a live service game model as well an example of lost potential of other live service games.
@@marcosdheleno I guess now that you put it that way, retcons are literal cannon.
@@marcosdheleno eternalism goes hard lol
> or had parts removed
There have been some time-limited events which established pieces of lore that are no longer accessible, which is a little unfortunate.
35:24 I absolutely agree, that visual bug actually made that cutscene much cooler, especially when the transference eye glows were happening
Same, I found it way cooler
Yeah, the same thing happened to me and this video was how I found out it was bugged. 😅
I agree, way cooler it happened like that
I see Cross has already mastered the art of running back and forth in your orbiter.
Gotta say, it's super fascinating seeing what the story looks like when all played back to back. There was such a long gap between the quests releasing as it was happening, it built up so much anticipation for what was coming
Months of playing with an echo of lotus as our mission giver, an echo crafted by ordis so we could continue to bring balance to the system. Wondering what was coming. Then the first cutscene of the Sacrifice drops
@@kylebaryonyx9478 It was like 4 years, not just months.
@@jacobisbell9388 technically 48 months🤓
Virgin Witness vs Chad Man in the Wall
They can’t even keep older content😂😂😂
@nukemaster7624 I miss Scourge and Crown of Sorrow
Ones all fu of himself and self righteous.
The other is having the time of his life dicking around with his kids..
I can not wait for Cross to do The New War. I just know his 'WTF' reactions will be priceless.
😭real shit, the man in the wall is creepy as hell
cool thing about excalibur umbra is that since he is technically alive and you coexist with him. when you transfer out of him in a mission. he will continue to fight even without you piloting him.
I just got him ans knowing this makes me so fucking hyped I got him. But godamn is his mods expensive to upgrade!!
Protea as your first Prime is very solid. She's useful in a lot of modes. As a recovering Wukong main, I'm glad you're not falling into the trap of just using him forever. Which, to be clear, you absolutely can.
Wukong being so overused he's considered a drug is some of the most Warframe thing you can find in this game
@@TheOneWhoBugs I have a feeling i will have this with Kullervo. I use him for everything and don't like not using him for long
@@TheOneWhoBugs I genuinely didn't learn how to platform until MR20 because he could just bypass every platforming challenge. Wukong is indeed a controlled substance
@@TheOneWhoBugs for my drug frame it’s yareli or I would like to call her
The bubble kawaii unkillable razor blade optional surfer
I use the aug so I don’t have to ride the board which makes her so much better
Meanwhile my Wukong Prime exists as nothing more than a tool to basically bypass Spy, Rescue, Capture, and sabotage missions. He's fine otherwise but his toolkit isn't fun for me.
To answer Cross question, every warframe WAS once a person. The orokin infected volunteers and people they voluntold, it turned them crazy. The Tenno, your operator, was on a horrible accident on the Zariman Ten Zero, a colony ship with most likely, millions of people aboard. It experienced a void warp “explosion” or whatever it was called in game. This void can turn emotions and feelings into reality. It can twist the minds of an individual and turn nightmares into infinite realities. It’s why Rell was talking about the Man In The Wall.
Imagine the Timeline and how long Rell was 1 V 1 the Man In The Wall..... and here we have been asleep all this time, doing cool space ninja stuff.... being loot goblins and mowing down hordes of enemy. Chains of Harrow really brought a perspective on autism to the WF universe, much respect to the devs to expand real world topics, i feel it encouraged more awareness, Autism is not Stupidity in fact most are very intelligent, just in terms of emotional stability they are sensitive and have difficulty displaying or controlling the emotions. The lore and storyline goes deep sometime and some parts fly over peoples head, but much respect on the depths they are willing to go. Amazing Storyline, i always wish i can wipe my memory and enjoy the storyline again for the first time...
@ you’re forgetting that there are universes where rell is constantly fighting the man in the wall forever because we don’t save him. This universe is just the one we’ve saved him in.
The original Warframes, yes, the Warframes we have now are mass produced puppet with tiny hints of sentience.
For the most part, only the Warframes of ancient times were people. The ones we use are just 3D printed.
@@servers5717pretty sure our deal with Wally collapsed all the timelines with the Tenno into 1, with the exception of the (spoilers) Drifter. I say exception because Rell's death in the operator timeline affected Duviri
"Ballas is secretly the good guy."
And then everyone laughed.
Finally my favorite quest The Sacrifice and my favorite frame. Excalibur Umbra. The best frame. Ive played Warframe for 10 years and Ive been an Excalibur main for all 10. picked Excalibur as my starter and mained him until Umbra and have mained Umbra ever since. Umbra is Space Dad. I don’t know if you noticed because of the skips in the video but Umbra can move around on his own while you’re in your Operator because he still has free will.
He what?!😮
Incredibly based. I've played since 2018 and have basically followed the same path of excal main to umbra main. Such a good frame/character.
I mained Oberon for some time, and Rhino before that, but like you I started with Excal, and now main Umbra
0:18
My first prime is the hydroid. He felt like I was using Davy Jones. So I named my RailJack the Hydroid Dutchman with the free skin you get from the rail jack storyline
I named mine "Why is the Rum Gone" and spent the entire Railjack launch week piloting my ship as Hydroid Prime.
Mine is called The Mystery Machine.
Mine is "Dreamer's refuge"
I was looking forward to him seeing that at the end of the Chains of Harrow and he completely misses it lol
he misses a lot by just running around, not paying attention to his surroundings
“Hey Kiddo- hey wait get back here”
It's been so long I'd forgotten how amazing the quests in Warframe are
Haven’t played in awhile?
So I do not know if Chat mentioned this, but the reason Rell is "different" is because he was Autistic. He was smart as all hell, understanding in detail things about void travel(read the comic), but as many autistic people(me included) he struggled with emotions. And hypersensitivity
The cards minigame is a common autism test, a great example of "show, don't tell"
No he wasn't. Stop spreading your BS narrative
@@MrMultiPlatformwhat? He literally was, Reb and Steve confirmed it.
And a lot of the things make so much sense in hindsight. The Donda being a stimming gadget to calm him down, the “game” he used to play being a method to teach kids with ASD to recognize emotions on people’s faces. Why even bother denying it unless you’re just trying to be contrarian?
@@MrMultiPlatform rebbeca the dev said in a post on june 29th 2017 that he IS autistic so its not spreading a BS narrative it spreading a factual narrative confirmed by a warframe dev
@@MrMultiPlatform the developers said so, lorewise it's made pretty clear that he's autistic (both in game and from outside official sources, like the comic). You should try to play the Chains of Harrow quest
Can i just say that seeing someone else get to experience the thrill and excitement of what i went through playing this game is so amazing to me, i love these warframe videos and cant wait to see you play more!!!!
Rell was autistic and when he was cast out he protected the teenoo from Wally for like 2 millennia, he is probably the most powerful teeno ever
Wally?
@@dwidikanika the man in the wall. lovingly referred to as wally.
@ yeah don’t want to spoil anything if you haven’t play that part of the quest to know Wally
You spelt tenno different both times and both times were incorrect. It's impressive
@@tykeeves5697 ok nice job telling me about it
"happy. Momma has a stretchy smile."
if you know, you know.
i don’t get it
@tomiokagiyuu9256 the Man in the Wall has a nice big stretchy smile too
@@tomiokagiyuu9256 The Zariman 10-0 Incident. When all the adults lost their minds and started hunting the children. Some where described as jubilant and cackling. Others as just feral animals.
@@yosup7400In the comics its shwon his mom tried to kill him with a knife while smiling too
probably where the Wally(tm) smile came from... just wearing Kay's smile forever
Timeless Eldritch Entity with untold power vs one autistic boi with alexithymia
But for real, Rell suffered so much during and after the events at the Zariman (read the comic), he deserves the rest, now, we share the burden he held for far too long
alexithymia (trouble understanding emotions) is pretty normal for autism, for the record
source: am autism
@@rokkraljkolesa9317 But a lot of people think that it's all just autism instead of being 2 different conditions. Doesn't hurt to educate people with some of the nuances that is ASD.
this quest ( chains) was also used to test how well they could do directional audio and if they could use it in other quest
Ah yes the Lotus left for some milk from the gas station and hasn't come back arc. Keep in mind this lasted for years, and only recently got resolved i think a year or 2 ago
I lol at this. Lol. I didn't know people waited 3 years for what comes next. I legit just beat this quest like 30min ago.
"It was that somehow, from within the derelict horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing
And take away its pain."
I love Warframe and I love this quest, the emotional weight behind Umbra's story is amazing, props to all the people who worked on designing it, it's still my favourite quest in Warframe
I wait with anticipation for when you get to the quest "Involving a certain someone, on a certain planet, refrencing a certain movie."
Wut 😐
I think its about the nickname the Hex gives you during their quest@cosiestgalaxy2316
@@cosiestgalaxy2316he’s talking about 1999
You're the 2nd person I've seen that had that silhouette bug. Ngl it unintentionally goes hard.
Man, that moment under the tree when you finally reach Umbra never fails to make me shed a tear or two qwq
On a side note, the youtube channel Noclip did a two part documentary on DE and Warframe and you should absolutely watch it ! It sheds a ton of light on how Warframe came to be and how much of a freakin' miracle it is that we got Warframe or that DE exists today.
also the Warframe is a wakeup call by legendary drops
also same, im always so close to shedding a couple tears during that scene. its so sad :,(
I find it insane Cross didn’t see Wally the first time he on his ship
It's actually fun watching well known gamers slowly get what makes Warframe and DE special.
I've friends that"played Warframe" and didn't like it but when I looked at that profile have less than ten hours in it. 😬
mr editor man plz dont skip the drip segments
@Azteccross before your next stream man plz run a file check, game repair or SOMETHING you have so many visual bugs its actually astounding.
Major props to DE for taking Warframe - a game where you carve, with ease, through literal hundreds in a 5 minute mission - into a place where you felt vulnerable and afraid despite wearing a suit of living infested space metal while controlling eldritch void powers.
9:45 Ballas: "I know right?"
I’m in my first 6 months of the game and I’m loving looking back and seeing guys like Cross discover things for the first time! Makes me feel like a vet 😂
The Sacrifice was peak Warframe, still is
It makes me so happy to see cross go through the warframe quests and start to theorize on the story himself, warframes got such an interesting and engaging story that has only gotten better as they release more updates, and with him finally getting into the new war arc i cannot wait to see how he reacts to that questline and what it brings to the story! I just hope nothing gets spoiled for him if he does watch one of the lore videos.
Ooo, just wait till Angels of Zariman.
35:07 understatement of the century right there
Babu: he bad man very very bad man
Welp, free context courtesy of someone who missed doing this quest: Rell was a Tenno outcast as far back as the Zariman days, the other children would often cast him out and scratch him as weird. When the ship got stranded in the void and all children got their void powers, only he knew the void's true nature, he studied it and "the man in the wall" until the ship was found by the Orokin. When the children got rescued and taken to Lua, Rell accidentally blinded Margulis and got cast out once again, which is why Lotus doesn't know of him. Eventually he found a group who were curious about him, he gave them all the information he knew and eventually led to the creation of the Red Veil. Rell used himself to safeguard the void entity he called the man in the wall, but upon realizing he wouldn't live the necessary years to protect reality from the entity due to not being put on the Reservoir, he fused his spirit with his own warframe Harrow (one which has no info about aside from his association with Rell).
This is when it gets tricky, after the Tenno awoken their true power, Rell's own protection weakened, the entity was gaining strength and refusing his influence, which leads us to this quest.
A bit of extra info about Rell, he's autistic, this got confirmed by Rebecca.
Rell is a real G, bro was holding the Indifference by himself all this time
Hey dude, it’s been really cool just watching you enjoying yourself as much as you are in this game. Glad that you gave it a chance and that it ended up being something you liked. Hope you keep playing and keep having a great time, dude.
the words "ballas" and "Good" should never be put together
more warframe is always good
So to explain the 'Morality' system a bit more, it doesn't really rely on good and evil... it relies on emotion. Are you thinking, and feeling? Or just a husk? Empty inside, and broken?
Even hating someone is better than being devoid of *any* feeling. Of being so far gone that nothing matters.
Love watching gameplay from a new experience while my Xaku Prime cooks. Keep up the awesome community interactions and gameplay reactions man. Youre dope af.
I can't believe chat let him do this with the mote amp. This was far more painful than it needed to be.
Do what
do what? i don’t watch his video is that much?
@@tomiokagiyuu9256 Both Chains of Harrow and The Sacrifice quests (The ones where you use the operator lots) are both much easier if you upgrade your operator from their basic weapon.
@@tomiokagiyuu9256 Mote amp is the operator equivalent of a starter weapon. It doesn't do a lot of damage.
alot of people do it with the mote amp, its a bitch but usually now new players will just keep going through the quest since they are pretty good and want to get going through them. nobody wants to stop to gather stuff for an amp to then have to wait for it to be crafted.
I recently sat with my grandmother, talking to her as she was dying. Looking back at this quest which was already one of my favorite stories in all of gaming history, I wonder if Issah was slowly coming to the realization that his father was going to die in that bed. His words and his tone, especially in his last bit of dialogue before his death, mirror how I spoke to my grandmother. Memories of good times, appreciation, the honor he felt for being his son. In a way, I guess his father really did die.
I never get to watch the stream, but as someone with 1,400+ hours in the game I really enjoy watching Cross experience it for the first time. And also every time he unlocks a new frame and literally just uses melee over and over, lol. We just watched nearly an hour of Protea not casting one ability. Good times.
I think the pronounced melee use is due to it being easier to build strong melees than guns before getting into things like Galvanized mods (and now there's galvanized melee mods...). I like guns more, so the base star chart often felt like a slog for me, even if used my meager endo reserves for upgrading the available primary/secondary mods. For a long time melee felt like a panic button for "oh dang, this thing is tough" situations.
Thanks for sticking with the game and it's been really fun to watch you on twitch and here. We all lift together!
Ok, I really need to get back to Warframe again! This was peak indeed. I haven't been this fascinated since Destiny 2 Forsaken.
ONe thing you diddn't notice about Umbra it's the only fully automomous warframe. The warframe actualy still works when your in operator form and will back you up.
The Sacrifice is just so much cooler with that bug. Isaah being fully lit makes sense because you wanna get attached to him but Ballas being in full shadow with glowing eyes is just so goddamn cool
I think what would be really cool is if they put a spotlight on his son and the items of interest in the room that they want you to look at or listen to, as if it was a theater play. But NEVER shine the light on Ballas, keep his silhouette and dim the room lighting. It could be good symbolism too for Umbra blaming himself instead of Ballas.
The pure face of disbelieve once you found out what happened to the Lotus😝 i loved this Quest! It‘s such a Turntable!
There‘s coming more and i can‘t wait for you to play the Rest as well! The Story is soooo goood!!!
This story is so good I love it when someone sees this quest for the first time. The realization that you’re not piloting a metal suit, but a person forced to relive a horrific memory forever, as they’re forged into an immortal war machine. And your operators purpose is to relieve their pain to properly control their abilities. It’s insanely well written story and totally heart wrenching. Watching Umbra cry in the final stand of his mind had me in tears when I first played it. I can’t wait to see the rest of your play through.
56:46 mf was quick with it😭😭
i really wanna see Cross react to reach of the Prime Trailers.
BTW, congrats on Protea Prime. she very much is one of the best Warframe you can have. she has area wide damage that can and will shred your enemy with the augment, her second is a great DPS increase, her three makes her an amazing support and make sure you never run out of energy, life, or ammo, and her 4 let her spam the HELL out of that.
I love how it became scary but knowing I have to get to this part myself it doesn’t seem so fun😁
52:53 Man...I've got to congratulate you on your understanding of the plot. It goes over so many peoples heads. I've seen so many people complete the entire game and not understand the "Look inside an ugly broken thing, and take its pain away" line the way you did straight away. The only thing you didn't get quite right is that Umbra is unique in needing the Operator to calm him...Ballas had another solution for the other frames. When the proto-frames started going mad, the Orokin lobotomised them. They stopped them from becoming murderous monsters like Umbra by surgically deleting their personality. It was not entirely successful.
When your frame saves you by breaking the sword in Second Dream...that's the remnants of the human your frame used to be going "Fuck you Hunhow! I'm going to save my operator".
What Ballas did to Umbra is the old, prototype version of trying to make Warframes, from before they had Tenno to calm them. Ballas deliberately let the Dax that became Umbra keep his memories knowing that the most visceral one would be all that's left after he was driven mad (because he'd seen it happen with all the other frames), turning Umbra into an immortal prison for Isaah's father, where the only memory he has left is killing his own son.
This is incorrect, the protoframes didnt exist until Albert took Ballas work to 1999, the original frames were just in the same state as umbra but not reliving one singular memory, thats the difference.
The first batch of warframes seemingly didnt have a bolt to be controlled at first and retained a lot of their original personality, such case is dante.
The second round had bolts to better allow control over them and their individual attributes were more tamed. The final batch is the ones you make in game, duplicates without anything of the original except some manerisms.
He needs to see Ordis' back story, the cephalon fragments from all the main locations will make cards in the codex, and running your mouse over those images will reveal bits of Ordis, which explain how cephalons are made and why Ordis is the way he is.
My baby son just heard the rat tat tat and repeated it the exact same way 😂😬😬😬
49:37 there is no truer statement than this right here
The bit of always calling Margulis "Margaret" is very funny to me
Enjoying the hell out of this series! Keep it coming.
DE big chilling because I can’t stop myself from giving them money. The cosmetics are fire and the game is like crack. If they ever did things like raids (but doable solo) I would simply grind forever.
56:02 his reaction here is frying me bro I remember seeing her in this form for the first time and being sooo creeped out 😭
I was tryna figure out why Cross was so creeped out by scary stuff, then I remembered he's from Louisiana lmao.
They don't play that shit down there.
I doon't forget to watch the DE Warrame streams on thursdays. ❤ I love watching your warframe streams
Cross caught the coolest bug in a cutscene, goddamn that was so creepy, complimented the narrative pretty well
Someone please show him how to decorate the outside of his orbiter lol
Rell: What is your name
Me: my name is jeff
The grind for Excalibur prime us crazy...
31:18 what a funny thing to say as a person that doesn’t know anything about basta- I mean ballas
43:57 waited years to hear this again
A common misconception is that the first scene with Umbra is an ancient flashback, it’s actually shown to the Operator in real time. After the Second Dream, Umbras cell ruptured and opened unleashing him on the sol system, Ballad reappeared to destroy him before he became an issue, that’s why Sentient Lotus was seen in the vision.
I havnt played in quite a while BUT Harrow Prime is my favorite overall frame. Just love the aesthetic around him
Yeah................. Lotus's true form is horrifying. That isn't another person, it really is her all along.
But don't fret, keep on doing the quests and you'll understand what made her ajust her appearance and become the Lotus we all know. Everything will be explained soon, Cross.
I knew this was gonna be good when i saw it pop up. Anybody else get chills reliving this with him? Great content. Great perspective
Forgot how good the sacrifice is
I probably will not play the game again but man it is hella interesting to watch the story unfold - glad Cross is finally playing Warframe.
52:55 that is exactly what it is and i didn't understood it until i read the wiki, so damn, impressive
It was great to watch the Harrow quest from this perspective, because when I was in it I missed much of the dialogue because I was in panic mode lol.
I started Warframe a few months ago, and as someone who was a diehard Destiny fan, I was blown away. I had thought that Destiny was cutting edge in terms of story, gameplay, size, and monetization. Oh, how I was wrong. People say “You don’t know what you have until it’s gone “, but in this scenario it’s “You don’t know how much you’re coping until you take a step back”.
Mother Margaret is WILD
Fun fact about me my first prime to this day is wisp prime
Same! I began to play for real in spring 2023. I think Wisp was quite fresh back then.
20:42 MAN! My favorite result of that quest!! 😂😂😂😂😂