I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, watching mini throw games is a work of art, couple that with the thrashing around in his chair etc. it’s gold
I genuinely don't know of another pro who gets AS TILTED as Mini can be, and at the funniest stuff. Whether it's a worker mistiming or a dumb gamble gamble, it gets him rocking in his chair at a major tournament. When Mini is clicking and firing on all cylinders, he is oppressively terrifying. But he just gets in his own way half the time.
Soulkey has to be the most resilient player out there. Even in ASL 16, he had many games go to the wire and managed to get on top. Really shows how even when behind, his spirit might bend, but won’t break.
A classic Mini series - opening games are transcendent that redefines the game, then continued reliance on weird builds and his emotional response to negative outcomes. Those first two games started a bit more normally (optimization + cutting corners), and then his subtle build selection could shine through. Good on SoulKey for remaining solid throughout!
I hate mini but man I can’t deny he has good prep Troy seems like an obvious spore map and that build was purpose made to dismantle fast spire. The first game has to be my favorite because he took a risk (11 nexus) and the economy he got coupled with a masterclass in army movement was smart. I really think mini would’ve won if he threw in another standard game like just a forge expand or even another 11 nexus in game 5. He’s bad at adapting and going for 2 starport again on blitz y made no sense. Soulkey only made the spire + mutas cuz of his huge gas bank from all the early back and forth - so he made a few mutas really muscled on the corsairs and relied on heavy unit production. But that’s mini for you he’s really looking to sweep the legs out from under a zerg or Terran even though he can absolutely muscle it in a macro game.
9:30 I refuse to believe that "Slobberknocker" was the direct translation lol glad to see the translator is having fun and getting the vibe through though!
non-native here. I look up the word and it seems like it's only about aggressive play. You say the translator is having fun. Is there any other connotation of the word?
The post-game interviews were really good here. SoulKey intuited that Mini had figured out how SoulKey would want to prep, and SoulKey adjusted mid-series. Mini didn't. Strong mindgames.
15 years of world class matches is a decent practice of the mind. Some luck plays a role too though. Which you probably just need against a gambler like Mini.
So true. Mini tries to win ironically too strategically sometimes. Seems he learned nothing from losing to larva in the finals. Larva showed mini the path which is to make your opponent wary of your prep (hydra bust in his case). Minis version of that a strong macro like an 11 nexus never came back. He trained soulkey to expect something wild and forced him into heavy early unit play when it seemed soulkey wanted to take things to lurker hydra or beyond. All mini needed to do was to play economical once more I think and rely on his excellent tactics and mechanics. I think despite his good prep that’s where it was off. You need your opponent to be left out in the cold as to whether you’re gonna crush him early or bring it to mid/late. Great builds poorly planned series.
@@smallwisdom8819soulkey got really lucky with that first scout. I know he didn’t want the hatch in main. That said he could still have lost. If mini went forge before nexus or sniffed what soulkey was up to and left the zealots at home. Really soulkey paid super close attention to the zealots making sure none leaked out and more importantly fracturing them. Mini thought the main force retreated south when in actuality it went north to circumvent them and meet up with his second group coming from the third at the nat. Ironically soulkey did to mini in game 5 what mini did to soulkey in game 1. Although why soulkey pushed out against an 11 nexus….i can’t really say cuz even if he pushed to the nat - cannon + storm + rally would’ve held the nat. After 1 and 2 it was minis series to lose and he threw it.
I watched those first two games, and I wondered how Mini could ever lose with how dominatingly strong his midgame was. Then Mini did everything in his power to die before the midgame. What's a wall or a cybernetics core, anyway?
Mini is the kind of a guy that is super intriguing but at one point you started avoiding him and you forgot why, then you met him again and remembered that he was a gambler…
Mini once again just absolutely refusing for some reason to wall in, play a normal game, and win. He would have easily taken this had he simply played one safe game in any of the last three games. Incredible.
its not just gamble, its crazy multitasking, skills, precision and creativity, watch his games vs Queen in asl 11-12. How could he won over Queen like that with just ''luck'' thats a ridiculous thing to say
@@meowmers2512 He played "safe" games in last season's finals. Lost 4 of them. His only win was a 2 gate all-in. It is clear he is not confident he can outplay Soulkey without doing something off-meta. What he should have played is eco allin: 12 Nexus 3 times in a row, that should have won him 1 out of 3 instead of what he actually did.
This match left me empty. . . . . . Mini has showed us pure works of art with DTs slashing infinite mines without taking damage, looking completely unbeatable, then he just throws it 3 games in a row, lol. As good as Soulkey is, and he's a champ.. I felt like Mini lost this more to himself than being beaten.
I feel like he let himself get super tilted by game 3, it seemed like from then on he was frustrated and wanted to force wins by being over-aggressive and skipping the "don't lose" part of winning. It looked like the calculated decisions adapting to conditions from those earlier games weren't there.
Thiscould be one of the best RO4 yet. It wasn't until the conclusion of the Snow/Bisu game that I knew what I wanted the finals to be and after this we are only 2 matches away. This was some incredible gameplay and I can't wait for the Ro4 and finals.
I feel like Mini is someone who can get into their opponents mind during his prep, those first two games had timings that were so elegant it felt like he knew what soulkey was going to do before soulkey himself knew, as if it was rehearsed. But Soulkey knows how to get into his opponents mind during the game, that 4 ling red herring in the last game was unbelievable, not taking an expansion and just mass producing lings, what a genius. Soulkey earned this win, well played.
Spoiler They were right, the longer the series goes, the more Soulkey downloaded Mini's style and countered it. He looked a bit like Best "broken robot", despite his attacks being very varied. The setting was perfect for a macro game in game 5, but he couldn't resist going aggro and Soulkey predicted it and perfectly countered it.
Protoss players seem to have this problem, where they just don't adapt on the fly and counter whatever their opponent is doing. Best, Mini, bisu all seem to have this issue. Sn0w might win it all simply because he just pays attention to whats going on.
SPOILERS tl;dr - I really think Mini could have won Game 5 if he wasn't so tilted. If my analysis is way off, please tell me. Watching both Nyoken's and Tastosis's casts, and looking at the timestamps and what Mini's vision was by the time the Probe died, he actually did do a significant amount of economic damage without seeing it. Because of all the crazy nonsense he pulled for three games in a row, Soulkey went 9 Pool Speed, and put a Hatchery down in his Main base the moment he saw the Double Gateway at the Natural with his Overlord. That's actually a horrible economic opener by Soulkey. He was semi-all in just by responding to the Double Gateway. Even though Mini saw basically nothing except for the 9 Pool, I think he should have thrown a Forge down no matter what. Without any vision and he has a somewhat awkward Simcity up at his Natural, I believe he could have put a Forge down and plugged up the natural and took his Nexus without eating a Speedling run-by. Regardless of the lack of scouting intel Mini got, I don't think there's a universe where pushing out with 5-6 Zealots would be advisable because of the 9 Pool. If Mini plugs up his Natural with a Forge, he could have maybe gone Nexus -> Cannon -> Cannon -> Cybernetics Core -> Cannon -> Stargate -> Corsair (safety Cannon against a 2 or 3 Hatch Hydra All-In). It'd be a long time before his first Corsair gets out to scout what Soulkey has, and I know playing in the dark for that long against a Zerg is really nerve racking. But again, Mini knows that a 9 Pool opening sucks economically. Soulkey is also behind and has crappy options on the table as well. With a Forge thrown down, Soulkey has only a couple of options. One would be taking his Natural and playing from behind and try and get back into a normal Mid-Game rhythm. The other is saying screw it, tech into Hydras, get Hydra Speed and try and bust the natural with 2 or 3 Hatcheries. I really don't think Soulkey had great options here. After all of that, it's probably up in the air what happens next. Most likely Mini goes for +1 Speedlot with 6 Corsairs and move across the map to smash Soulkey. I don't know, I just look at what Mini has at around ~3:00 and the fact that he kept making units instead of a Forge feels wrong to me. Throwing the Nexus down at ~4:00 just seems like such a massive coin-flip on whether or not Soulkey put the Hatchery down at the natural and is droning up behind the Zerglings.
Good take, but I think Mini was too fancy with his plans after being up 2-0. If he went an eco all-in like 12 Nexus (instead of the fancy aggressive all-ins that he did in actual games) for the next 3 match points, the odds of it working at least once are very high IMO. It's like he was psychologically traumatized after losing last season's finals vs Soulkey.
@@kane_lives Yeah, it's obvious that Mini is an emotional player and it's preventing him from adjusting on the fly / resetting his state on the next games. He's letting bad outcomes from previous games affect his judgment in future games. Yeah looking at the game again at the 2:00 mark, and it's so clear that Mini is tilted, it's crazy. I don't even think Soulkey meant to end Game 5 with a Speedling All-in. His Overlord is just sitting at the natural opening for 2 whole minutes looking to see when a wall would get thrown down and it never happens. Hell, I think even a C-Rank Protoss would realize you have to wall-in or you're going to get busted with the infinite openings you have at the natural. It's just frustrating because I know Mini can give good games but refuses to do them.
@@meowmers2512 Even the last game like... 2 gates at the natural? but why bulid them such that lings can run above the gateways, between the gateways, below the gateways, around the pylons, etc. it held lings about as well as a sieve holds water
1st, 2nd games: =D 3rd game: scratching my head as to why Mini is going robo instead of stargate 4th game: screaming at the screen "WHY THE FUCK U NO WALL!!!???" 5th game: running the bath, grabbing my knife
Haha, I had literally the exact opposite reaction. Classic SoulKey, acting like a shonen protagonist where he has to be back against the wall before revealing his true power.
I know I'm late, but a little context about Mini's strategy, from himself: SPOILERS It seems like he throws games a lot, but his mentality is that he has game plans before every series and has learned to stick with those game plans. He's said in the past when he would deviate from what he decided to do before the games, then his hands would suddenly freeze. It's also one reason why you see him in past games where he's in a clear advantage then "throws" the game mid- to late-game by making some stupid error. He decided that it's better to stick with what he practiced and his predetermined builds. It's his philosophy and approach to his current games. It has its advantages (i.e. Jaedong said during this ASL that he had builds in mind but when he played, he decided to do something else; if he stuck with his original game plan, he'd have won the games), but when it fails, it makes him look a bit careless.
I know the cultural difference is significant in Korea, but I'm pretty sure those ads are bizarre even for them. I don't know what they were thinking... they should have at least used an actual model if they wanted to go with the sexy marketing approach.
Have you seen the one that ESL was running for SC2 and CS? Literally just starts with a woman giving the most visceral moan on full blast, then bass and flashing lights for 15 seconds. Because...thats what i want in my chair?
Assuming the cheeses are 50/50 to win, you would have to lose three in a row to lose the series, which is like an 88% chance of victory across three games. And while he did win in game 1/2 in a more normal fashion, there is no guarantee SoulKey doesn't adjust his style and beat Mini straight up. SoulKey also has a WAY better mental than Mini, if mini goes down in a long, dramatic game 3, he might be unable to recover, whereas SoulKey is a fucking tireless, unflappable machine.
@@michaellopate4969 Mini gets way too emotional and also seems to vastly underestimate his ability to play a normal game against Soulkey for some reason
@@michaellopate4969 I don't know about that...seems like he broke mentally after winning 2 in a row. Game's 3 canon rush had no chance of working without zeolot back up and not walling in game 4, there was absolutely no reason for that, he had a core and forge. Those were not 50/50 cheeses. 10/90 maybe Don't fix what isn't broken. Playing straight up got you 2 games. Playing 3 more has a much better chance than the nonsense we witnessed
@@PuertoRicanAsian You had the wrong match but s16 was a brutal run for Soulkey in the RO8 and RO4. Soulkey lost the first two games of both sets yet came back to win the tournament. No one does it like him, seriously.
Game two's opening is awsome. I actually do something somewhat similar in SC2 sometimes and it works around 5.5k mmr. Obviously without the forge because that would be too slow. But massing up zealots with 2 gates out of a nexus first opening is actually a really strong tempo move against zerg. You just need a good amount of scouting to find out whether or not you can move out. And if you think going for roach cheese beats it, you can actually parry any attack by going into cyber double gas and delaying for sheild batteries and stalkers. Zerg cant break you.
I admire Mini (im a terran player and fan) for how he beated Queen in ASL 11 and 12, and from then a big fan of him. I think he underestimated Soulkey in game 3 for a stupid cheese, and by not walling in game 5. He needs to find more balance betwin cutting corners and play conservative
i thought the cheese was smart for the series and on that map. the problem was mini gets tilted over losing even when he cheeses, so he proceeded to throw the next two games. Game four he made some big micro mistakes and bad decisions. Game five he should have picked a more standard build. His game 5 opener was actually good, i think it's like 1/6 or 1/5 chance they see it with the overlord if you build in the natural, but in the last game of a bo5 against soulkey even if soulkey didn't scout it mini probably would have lost
Mini is officially my favorite Protoss. His builds the first 2 games were INSANE. Then the game against Baracks where he wrecked the scanners. He just needs to stop overcooking the sauce 😭😭😭
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@@CobraQuotes1 Sc2 doesn't suck, but watching it feels super formulaic to me compared to SC:BW (which isn't enjoyable after a few tournaments/ if you played it a lot).
I never played SCBW but did play SC2. Based off the graphics alone to me SC2 is far more enjoyable to watch. These days I let the pros like Maru and Serral do the playing 😆
Mini just wants crazy highlights. He’s so damn good but chooses wild plays haha. I love it what a boss. Just knows he’s the best in the world and this is the only way to have fun.
Mini is a reminder that you can be mechanically gifted and a micro god but nothing can cure ego induced stupidity, just wall in and give us a real game lmao, no reason to walk out if you are aware you got scouted first.
SPOILER Like I can't say say the winner is surprising, but mini being up by 2 sets at the starts had me absolutely clenching. What a match, absolutely awesome seeing SoulKey go full clutch
Tasteless talked about this on his stream the other day. He said the problem is youtube's recommendation algorithm looks at the unwatched filler, decides people aren't finishing the video, and won't recommend the video to more people.
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damn what a different Mini for the pre-match interview. "i was hoping for terran because I have so much to show, but I guess I'll wreck another zerg because its Bo5"
Why did mini stick with the two gate in game 5? You could see he was upset when he saw soulkey’s overlord, why not just expand and abandon the two gate pressure
Mini was tilted after losing Game 4. Even with the 2 Gateways, if he would have thrown down a Forge to help plug up the natural, that would have greatly increased his chances of holding the Speeding All-In. And even if Soulkey would have thrown down his 3rd Hatch at the natural and played a normal game, the Forge should have gone down anyways. It's like Mini was expecting Soulkey to go 12 Hatch every single game this series.
Mini literally beat himself. All he had to do was play one semi standard game after his 2-0 lead and he woulda won 1 of them but no. He doubles down on risky cheesy builds. 🤯
I had the vod length in the back of my head and was starting to get really sad after the first couple of games... But I should never have counted out my boy!
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, watching mini throw games is a work of art, couple that with the thrashing around in his chair etc. it’s gold
It never gets old
I genuinely don't know of another pro who gets AS TILTED as Mini can be, and at the funniest stuff. Whether it's a worker mistiming or a dumb gamble gamble, it gets him rocking in his chair at a major tournament. When Mini is clicking and firing on all cylinders, he is oppressively terrifying. But he just gets in his own way half the time.
What an awesome series. Thank you, Tastosis, for continuing the English cast of the ASL
Soulkey has to be the most resilient player out there. Even in ASL 16, he had many games go to the wire and managed to get on top. Really shows how even when behind, his spirit might bend, but won’t break.
I swear he's pulled off more reverse sweeps than every other ASL player combined.
Soulkey doesn’t get serious until his opponent is on match point. It’s why he is so fun to watch. He is the comeback kid.
A classic Mini series - opening games are transcendent that redefines the game, then continued reliance on weird builds and his emotional response to negative outcomes. Those first two games started a bit more normally (optimization + cutting corners), and then his subtle build selection could shine through. Good on SoulKey for remaining solid throughout!
I hate mini but man I can’t deny he has good prep Troy seems like an obvious spore map and that build was purpose made to dismantle fast spire.
The first game has to be my favorite because he took a risk (11 nexus) and the economy he got coupled with a masterclass in army movement was smart.
I really think mini would’ve won if he threw in another standard game like just a forge expand or even another 11 nexus in game 5. He’s bad at adapting and going for 2 starport again on blitz y made no sense. Soulkey only made the spire + mutas cuz of his huge gas bank from all the early back and forth - so he made a few mutas really muscled on the corsairs and relied on heavy unit production.
But that’s mini for you he’s really looking to sweep the legs out from under a zerg or Terran even though he can absolutely muscle it in a macro game.
9:30 I refuse to believe that "Slobberknocker" was the direct translation lol glad to see the translator is having fun and getting the vibe through though!
Honestly I'm chuffed every time he drops some random British slang into the translation.
Probably the most comparable word lol
non-native here. I look up the word and it seems like it's only about aggressive play. You say the translator is having fun. Is there any other connotation of the word?
@@ooker777 Its more about both players(boxers originally) are going for offensive over defensive and just hurting each other.
The post-game interviews were really good here. SoulKey intuited that Mini had figured out how SoulKey would want to prep, and SoulKey adjusted mid-series. Mini didn't. Strong mindgames.
Being a Mini fan is like being an abused housewife. He builds me up so much to let me down, and I'll still be rooting for him next season.
What an absolute throw. Went up 2-0 with midgame play and said you know what, let me do cheese 3 games in a row
is mini the brood war creator?
@@EB-bl6cc that's Mini for ya :D
Mini literally only loses to Mini
I watched game one and game two and half of game 3 and read that and was like yeah right no way. Then I was proven wrong. Unbelievable.
Soulkey's game sense is so good. Going pool first let him dodge so many build order losses
soulkey was the better poker player this series
15 years of world class matches is a decent practice of the mind. Some luck plays a role too though. Which you probably just need against a gambler like Mini.
Soulkey is one of the smartest players to ever touch the game. SC2 and BW
So true. Mini tries to win ironically too strategically sometimes. Seems he learned nothing from losing to larva in the finals.
Larva showed mini the path which is to make your opponent wary of your prep (hydra bust in his case). Minis version of that a strong macro like an 11 nexus never came back. He trained soulkey to expect something wild and forced him into heavy early unit play when it seemed soulkey wanted to take things to lurker hydra or beyond.
All mini needed to do was to play economical once more I think and rely on his excellent tactics and mechanics.
I think despite his good prep that’s where it was off. You need your opponent to be left out in the cold as to whether you’re gonna crush him early or bring it to mid/late.
Great builds poorly planned series.
@@smallwisdom8819soulkey got really lucky with that first scout. I know he didn’t want the hatch in main. That said he could still have lost. If mini went forge before nexus or sniffed what soulkey was up to and left the zealots at home.
Really soulkey paid super close attention to the zealots making sure none leaked out and more importantly fracturing them. Mini thought the main force retreated south when in actuality it went north to circumvent them and meet up with his second group coming from the third at the nat.
Ironically soulkey did to mini in game 5 what mini did to soulkey in game 1. Although why soulkey pushed out against an 11 nexus….i can’t really say cuz even if he pushed to the nat - cannon + storm + rally would’ve held the nat.
After 1 and 2 it was minis series to lose and he threw it.
Mini is literally the guy putting a stick in his bike wheel meme
Forreal. Remember when he used his veto as ASL champion to choose to go up against Light in Ro16, and got eliminated by him? Lmao.
I watched those first two games, and I wondered how Mini could ever lose with how dominatingly strong his midgame was. Then Mini did everything in his power to die before the midgame. What's a wall or a cybernetics core, anyway?
you kidding me? he loses after that game 2 curbstomp? now i gotta watch till the end lol
The man has the craziest, most well-prepped build orders but doesn't block his goddamn ramp. It kills me
"but what if I make units nonstop?"
This was hilarious. I heard this line and came to the comments to see if anyone had felt the same.
Mini is the kind of a guy that is super intriguing but at one point you started avoiding him and you forgot why, then you met him again and remembered that he was a gambler…
Mini once again just absolutely refusing for some reason to wall in, play a normal game, and win. He would have easily taken this had he simply played one safe game in any of the last three games. Incredible.
its not just gamble, its crazy multitasking, skills, precision and creativity, watch his games vs Queen in asl 11-12.
How could he won over Queen like that with just ''luck'' thats a ridiculous thing to say
@@olivierslupik9353 We’re discussing this particular game. He played phenomenally and smart against Queen
@@meowmers2512 He played "safe" games in last season's finals. Lost 4 of them. His only win was a 2 gate all-in. It is clear he is not confident he can outplay Soulkey without doing something off-meta.
What he should have played is eco allin: 12 Nexus 3 times in a row, that should have won him 1 out of 3 instead of what he actually did.
mini compulsively cuts corners. I don't understand why he didn't wall off with his second gateway in the last game
The 4 zergling red herring last game was brilliant.
Spoiler block boys!
Here's a spoiler: we're already dead
The fans were the winner
Ty
God damn it for some reason YT showed me spoilers after I had already assumed a 3-0
@@MichaelSotoCEwhy would you post a spoiler under the spoiler free comment?!
Went to brush teeth, saw this uploaded. Grabbed a beer instead. Cheers and love your casts.
SAME; happened with GSL last night too lol
boss af.
Why aren't you brushing your teeth with beer to begin with? What kind of sober parenting did you have?
They just don't raise them like they used to.
Tasteosis the most beautiful esports casters of all time? Yaaaa ❤❤❤❤
Yea Artosis' shaved chest on Tasteless hairy legs is like a minotaur.
Mini snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Soulkey is just plain better.
Never putting two zealots out of ten on the ramp is like refusing to put on shoes before going on a walk.
This match left me empty.
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Mini has showed us pure works of art with DTs slashing infinite mines without taking damage, looking completely unbeatable, then he just throws it 3 games in a row, lol.
As good as Soulkey is, and he's a champ.. I felt like Mini lost this more to himself than being beaten.
The lack of a wall blows my mind.
I feel like he let himself get super tilted by game 3, it seemed like from then on he was frustrated and wanted to force wins by being over-aggressive and skipping the "don't lose" part of winning. It looked like the calculated decisions adapting to conditions from those earlier games weren't there.
Can somebody turn the light on please, I can't see my chair
I need to see what color it is, is it a non-color, or the other non-color, or a combination of both ?
@@Winnetou17MESH
@@realGBx64MASH!
Thiscould be one of the best RO4 yet. It wasn't until the conclusion of the Snow/Bisu game that I knew what I wanted the finals to be and after this we are only 2 matches away. This was some incredible gameplay and I can't wait for the Ro4 and finals.
i think its genuinely amazing that mini timed out the probe slipping by the overlord for that map
When Tasteless says he loves me, I feel that
I feel like Mini is someone who can get into their opponents mind during his prep, those first two games had timings that were so elegant it felt like he knew what soulkey was going to do before soulkey himself knew, as if it was rehearsed.
But Soulkey knows how to get into his opponents mind during the game, that 4 ling red herring in the last game was unbelievable, not taking an expansion and just mass producing lings, what a genius. Soulkey earned this win, well played.
Mini's greatest strength and weakness is himself. He literally defeats himself
my waiting feel likes forever, thank you tastosis, you 2 are the best..please support them, to make our broodwar dream forever
Love Arty and Tassels/TimeBones/Tasteless's commentary always!
What a series, so glad I stayed up late to catch this!
THANKS GUYS! Can't WAIT for this match. Two of my favs!! Can't help but to cheer for Protoss this season! Here's hoping for great matches
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They were right, the longer the series goes, the more Soulkey downloaded Mini's style and countered it.
He looked a bit like Best "broken robot", despite his attacks being very varied.
The setting was perfect for a macro game in game 5, but he couldn't resist going aggro and Soulkey predicted it and perfectly countered it.
Protoss players seem to have this problem, where they just don't adapt on the fly and counter whatever their opponent is doing. Best, Mini, bisu all seem to have this issue. Sn0w might win it all simply because he just pays attention to whats going on.
Any game vs mini is like order vs chaos. It's quite entertaining in a way.
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tl;dr - I really think Mini could have won Game 5 if he wasn't so tilted. If my analysis is way off, please tell me.
Watching both Nyoken's and Tastosis's casts, and looking at the timestamps and what Mini's vision was by the time the Probe died, he actually did do a significant amount of economic damage without seeing it. Because of all the crazy nonsense he pulled for three games in a row, Soulkey went 9 Pool Speed, and put a Hatchery down in his Main base the moment he saw the Double Gateway at the Natural with his Overlord. That's actually a horrible economic opener by Soulkey. He was semi-all in just by responding to the Double Gateway.
Even though Mini saw basically nothing except for the 9 Pool, I think he should have thrown a Forge down no matter what. Without any vision and he has a somewhat awkward Simcity up at his Natural, I believe he could have put a Forge down and plugged up the natural and took his Nexus without eating a Speedling run-by. Regardless of the lack of scouting intel Mini got, I don't think there's a universe where pushing out with 5-6 Zealots would be advisable because of the 9 Pool.
If Mini plugs up his Natural with a Forge, he could have maybe gone Nexus -> Cannon -> Cannon -> Cybernetics Core -> Cannon -> Stargate -> Corsair (safety Cannon against a 2 or 3 Hatch Hydra All-In). It'd be a long time before his first Corsair gets out to scout what Soulkey has, and I know playing in the dark for that long against a Zerg is really nerve racking. But again, Mini knows that a 9 Pool opening sucks economically. Soulkey is also behind and has crappy options on the table as well.
With a Forge thrown down, Soulkey has only a couple of options. One would be taking his Natural and playing from behind and try and get back into a normal Mid-Game rhythm. The other is saying screw it, tech into Hydras, get Hydra Speed and try and bust the natural with 2 or 3 Hatcheries. I really don't think Soulkey had great options here.
After all of that, it's probably up in the air what happens next. Most likely Mini goes for +1 Speedlot with 6 Corsairs and move across the map to smash Soulkey.
I don't know, I just look at what Mini has at around ~3:00 and the fact that he kept making units instead of a Forge feels wrong to me. Throwing the Nexus down at ~4:00 just seems like such a massive coin-flip on whether or not Soulkey put the Hatchery down at the natural and is droning up behind the Zerglings.
Good take, but I think Mini was too fancy with his plans after being up 2-0. If he went an eco all-in like 12 Nexus (instead of the fancy aggressive all-ins that he did in actual games) for the next 3 match points, the odds of it working at least once are very high IMO. It's like he was psychologically traumatized after losing last season's finals vs Soulkey.
@@kane_lives Yeah, it's obvious that Mini is an emotional player and it's preventing him from adjusting on the fly / resetting his state on the next games. He's letting bad outcomes from previous games affect his judgment in future games.
Yeah looking at the game again at the 2:00 mark, and it's so clear that Mini is tilted, it's crazy. I don't even think Soulkey meant to end Game 5 with a Speedling All-in. His Overlord is just sitting at the natural opening for 2 whole minutes looking to see when a wall would get thrown down and it never happens.
Hell, I think even a C-Rank Protoss would realize you have to wall-in or you're going to get busted with the infinite openings you have at the natural.
It's just frustrating because I know Mini can give good games but refuses to do them.
Brutal final 3 games from mini. Build a wall.
he looked dominant when he played into the midgame in g1.. so let's just cheese the rest of the way instead, seems like a great idea
Brutal first 2 games from Soulkey. Kind of cringe from both of them
He cheeses so much when he simply doesn't need to. He is one of the best protoss ever, esp. in mid game. Just wall in!
@@meowmers2512 Even the last game like... 2 gates at the natural? but why bulid them such that lings can run above the gateways, between the gateways, below the gateways, around the pylons, etc. it held lings about as well as a sieve holds water
And make Soulkey pay for it.
Feel like every time I watch Mini, this exact same thing plays out the same way every single time.
Awesome cast! Thanks for doing this! This is almost like finals
1st, 2nd games: =D
3rd game: scratching my head as to why Mini is going robo instead of stargate
4th game: screaming at the screen "WHY THE FUCK U NO WALL!!!???"
5th game: running the bath, grabbing my knife
Haha, I had literally the exact opposite reaction. Classic SoulKey, acting like a shonen protagonist where he has to be back against the wall before revealing his true power.
@@michaellopate4969 Moreso mini suiciding.
pfaahahahahah imagine being a mini fan :D
Can you go stargate in 1 base? 1 corsair costs the same gas as 2 dragoons
The mental acuity of the winner was on display. Great example of strats vs tactics. Really cool series.
The comparison between the victor's normal face vs advanced face is hilarious!
Spoiler: Mini still hasn't cut his long nails
Coke nails
😂😂
Those nails are absolutely horrid!
Right?!? I was wondering if that gives an edge on APM. Seems like they'd get in the way more likely.
he plays starcraft with an acoustic guitar
What an absolutely fantastic series. I am absolutely blown away. How does mini get away with these openings every time?
yay! wonderful morning to be waking up to a new Tastosis cast :)
why artosis complains about troy being imbalanced but not about blitz which is insanely imbalanced in favor of terran
Because.... he plays Terran?
@@HasekuraIsuna as a caster he should at least try to hide his bias...
@@saitama741 Naw. It makes it more interesting.
@@Spheronic personally I find it just unprofessional and cringe but to each their own.
@@saitama741 If you don't love artosis you can get oooout
I've never been this early on an upload. I love my life right now lol
I know I'm late, but a little context about Mini's strategy, from himself:
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It seems like he throws games a lot, but his mentality is that he has game plans before every series and has learned to stick with those game plans.
He's said in the past when he would deviate from what he decided to do before the games, then his hands would suddenly freeze. It's also one reason why you see him in past games where he's in a clear advantage then "throws" the game mid- to late-game by making some stupid error. He decided that it's better to stick with what he practiced and his predetermined builds.
It's his philosophy and approach to his current games. It has its advantages (i.e. Jaedong said during this ASL that he had builds in mind but when he played, he decided to do something else; if he stuck with his original game plan, he'd have won the games), but when it fails, it makes him look a bit careless.
random question, maybe some1 can answer. Is that guy in the chair commercials some asl player?
Yeah, pretty sure it's Light. It does look like him.
I think it's one of the comentators and former player IntoTheRain.
yeah i had the same feeling watching them. like its an ad specifically made for us. sometimes theres a woman too. is she one of the presenters?
@@MichaelSotoCE I think she is THE sc presenter. It would make sense.
Hello gamers
Hello e-friend!
Chair ads are so bizarre.
Bizarre adventure
Bro what are those ads im cringing so hard
I know the cultural difference is significant in Korea, but I'm pretty sure those ads are bizarre even for them. I don't know what they were thinking... they should have at least used an actual model if they wanted to go with the sexy marketing approach.
Have you seen the one that ESL was running for SC2 and CS?
Literally just starts with a woman giving the most visceral moan on full blast, then bass and flashing lights for 15 seconds. Because...thats what i want in my chair?
@@skeptic9991 its not a serious ad. its supposed to be funny because it is cringe.
It would make a great TTS dono during a stream 😂
That was an amazing set. Definitely not what I expected.
this translator is great (presuming that the translations are correct, haha); very professional sounding
Artosis was really fired up for this cast, love to see it
The biggest thrown I’ve seen in a long time. Why would you keep trying fancy cheeses when you’re so close to just finishing the series.
Assuming the cheeses are 50/50 to win, you would have to lose three in a row to lose the series, which is like an 88% chance of victory across three games. And while he did win in game 1/2 in a more normal fashion, there is no guarantee SoulKey doesn't adjust his style and beat Mini straight up. SoulKey also has a WAY better mental than Mini, if mini goes down in a long, dramatic game 3, he might be unable to recover, whereas SoulKey is a fucking tireless, unflappable machine.
IMO the cheese wasn't as questionable as refusing to build a wall, and gonig robo instead of stargate in game 3.
@@michaellopate4969 Mini gets way too emotional and also seems to vastly underestimate his ability to play a normal game against Soulkey for some reason
Classic Protoss player, über stubborn, refuses to adapt, just like Best and just like in the campaign.
@@michaellopate4969 I don't know about that...seems like he broke mentally after winning 2 in a row. Game's 3 canon rush had no chance of working without zeolot back up and not walling in game 4, there was absolutely no reason for that, he had a core and forge. Those were not 50/50 cheeses. 10/90 maybe
Don't fix what isn't broken. Playing straight up got you 2 games. Playing 3 more has a much better chance than the nonsense we witnessed
Dear translator, what exactly is the Korean word for sloberknocker? ;) btw, you do a terrific job on the interviews / translations. Thnx for that!
If you remember ASL 16 finals, that was also a reverse sweep after two games to Mini. Soulkey's adjustments are the best in ASL.
I do remember ASL 16 finals and... Mini only won 1 game, not two.
@@kane_lives Oh, I think you're right. Soulkey seems to be able to tilt him/adjust around him really well
@@PuertoRicanAsian You had the wrong match but s16 was a brutal run for Soulkey in the RO8 and RO4. Soulkey lost the first two games of both sets yet came back to win the tournament. No one does it like him, seriously.
@@MeteoImpact3374 I remember the ZvTs. I thought he did it to Mini, too 😂
Game two's opening is awsome. I actually do something somewhat similar in SC2 sometimes and it works around 5.5k mmr. Obviously without the forge because that would be too slow. But massing up zealots with 2 gates out of a nexus first opening is actually a really strong tempo move against zerg. You just need a good amount of scouting to find out whether or not you can move out. And if you think going for roach cheese beats it, you can actually parry any attack by going into cyber double gas and delaying for sheild batteries and stalkers. Zerg cant break you.
Fantastic casting, wild series. Ro4 can't come soon enough!
I admire Mini (im a terran player and fan) for how he beated Queen in ASL 11 and 12, and from then a big fan of him.
I think he underestimated Soulkey in game 3 for a stupid cheese, and by not walling in game 5. He needs to find more balance betwin cutting corners and play conservative
i thought the cheese was smart for the series and on that map. the problem was mini gets tilted over losing even when he cheeses, so he proceeded to throw the next two games. Game four he made some big micro mistakes and bad decisions. Game five he should have picked a more standard build. His game 5 opener was actually good, i think it's like 1/6 or 1/5 chance they see it with the overlord if you build in the natural, but in the last game of a bo5 against soulkey even if soulkey didn't scout it mini probably would have lost
@@Zmej420BlazeIt agreed
holy... these games are insane!
Mini is officially my favorite Protoss. His builds the first 2 games were INSANE. Then the game against Baracks where he wrecked the scanners. He just needs to stop overcooking the sauce 😭😭😭
I kept saying that on ArtosisCasts - SoulKey is a beast, and i cannot understand why RT doesn't rate him as the best player currently...
You look super sad Arty. Hope everything's okay. And thanks for all that you do!!
Usually seeing the video length is an unfortunate spoiler; in this case, it ends up keeping things exciting.
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Yo, notice how the viewboxes on the minimap are different shapes > Soulkey likes a wider view; Mini likes a taller view.
Some players prefer to play at 4:3 as the original game was released, most prefer the modern 16:9 standard.
WILL ALWAYS LOVE BW~~~~~~~~~~~~
I miss y'all covering the Starcraft 2 action. State has done a great job filling in.
sc2 sucks
@@CobraQuotes1 Sc2 doesn't suck, but watching it feels super formulaic to me compared to SC:BW (which isn't enjoyable after a few tournaments/ if you played it a lot).
@@bandwarrior007 no you’re wrong it sucks.
I never played SCBW but did play SC2. Based off the graphics alone to me SC2 is far more enjoyable to watch. These days I let the pros like Maru and Serral do the playing 😆
I always wonder why protoss never research's Disruption Web? Would seem a great investment vs hydra play.
Thanks for another great cast.
Amazing match, fantastic cast. Great work!
Mini just wants crazy highlights. He’s so damn good but chooses wild plays haha. I love it what a boss. Just knows he’s the best in the world and this is the only way to have fun.
Mini is a reminder that you can be mechanically gifted and a micro god but nothing can cure ego induced stupidity, just wall in and give us a real game lmao, no reason to walk out if you are aware you got scouted first.
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Like I can't say say the winner is surprising, but mini being up by 2 sets at the starts had me absolutely clenching. What a match, absolutely awesome seeing SoulKey go full clutch
I love soulkeys style let's gooooo
He really knows how to adapt during a series and never give in. Man has a monopoly on reverse-sweeps I swear.
Absolutely stoked for this!!
Soulkey has to be the player with the most reverse-sweep in starcraft 1 & 2
Leaving a comment here, to request some filler at the end of the video to avoid spoilers. Love you guys
Tasteless talked about this on his stream the other day. He said the problem is youtube's recommendation algorithm looks at the unwatched filler, decides people aren't finishing the video, and won't recommend the video to more people.
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Mini Favorite Protoss, as you know that no matter what, win or lose, you're going to watch an epic game.
1:45:20 I like how in the results card, for the fifth match, the headshot of SoulKey is smiling when the other ones arent lmao
Dang whatta comeback. Well-deserved.
damn what a different Mini for the pre-match interview.
"i was hoping for terran because I have so much to show, but I guess I'll wreck another zerg because its Bo5"
i wish we could get tastosis to cast irl again, but that chapter probably closed a while ago
im happy we still get them to cast these online at least
The 2 of them giving quite the rollercoaster of emotions. I thought my 4th in line pick to win was gonna get knocked out here too.
where do i get this 40% off chair?
best game of all time
Why did mini stick with the two gate in game 5? You could see he was upset when he saw soulkey’s overlord, why not just expand and abandon the two gate pressure
Great point. Cost him the series.
Mini was tilted after losing Game 4. Even with the 2 Gateways, if he would have thrown down a Forge to help plug up the natural, that would have greatly increased his chances of holding the Speeding All-In.
And even if Soulkey would have thrown down his 3rd Hatch at the natural and played a normal game, the Forge should have gone down anyways. It's like Mini was expecting Soulkey to go 12 Hatch every single game this series.
I want a Sharp vs Snow finale, but we might get a ZvZ finale, that will end in under an hour :D
If you ever face Mini in a 5 game series, do a Larva and two-hatch hydra all-in in the first match.
Duck youtube for the rotating comments! Spoiler blocker rotated and i read a comment that spoiled it all by accident. Tilt!
Same
Sad to see that Mini couldn't finish it out. He's a super interesting player to watch but his gamble builds can get a bit tiring.
48:26 what a triple queen build i would say gg
Mini literally beat himself. All he had to do was play one semi standard game after his 2-0 lead and he woulda won 1 of them but no. He doubles down on risky cheesy builds. 🤯
good set, enjoyed it a lot
Why no production tab on these casts?
RO4 gonna be GNARLY BOYS
god, rough draw for these two. pretty sure that they're the best two, rn
Chair commercial on fleek still
what are both players doing on several of these occasions
I had the vod length in the back of my head and was starting to get really sad after the first couple of games...
But I should never have counted out my boy!
Ziggy what's Korean for SlobberKnocker?
ZvZ finals this season yay
Artosis just doesn't understand the emotions and mindset of a true gambler
Mini was due to win game 5. the house robbed him lmao
1:03:52 - probably the funniest thing I've ever heard on ASL.
this match was *chef's kiss*