Yeah “my son will fuck and showcase any of the women he wants in your city and you’ll be okay with it” fairytales never go on forever. That’s not how wars work. We’ve perverted everything at this point, and arguably beyond repair.
Arguably Vicente was a guest who overstepped his bounds of the meeting and made demands John and Arthur did not like. I am not defending their actions or saying they were honorable, but to stand their ground may have served a different purpose than just being a bully.
The old man forgot one very important rule, never go after the Big Man's daughter, secretary, maid or sister, without first asking his permission. Thomas Shelby was the Big Man, the old man or his son should have first asked his permission. To do otherwise was disrespectful
@@gc679 the old man held more power than the Peaky Blinders though. Keep in mind, Luca Changretta, Vincente's son, could have easily killed all of the Peaky Blinders in a matter of days if he wanted to. He didn't do it because he wanted to make Tommy suffer, which costed him his life.
Yet Thomas said he did the right thing because once you apologize, that's what you'll be doing the rest of your days for them. It's like taking Bricks out of your house & giving them away until you have no House/ Nothing left to negotiate
@@user-lp6yc7zi6xbut John didn’t know what he was gonna say Tommy didn’t think he should’ve disrespected him but that’s why he said he shouldn’t have apologized for the comment that wasn’t shown in the clip John said “ his son couldn’t walk far with broken knee caps “ lol why apologize after making a threat that wasn’t even called for???
@eddieabrahante4001 oh damnit I actually forgot about that what I guess what I'm trying to say is that he knows not to go too far om someone who actually has power to harm them
He called Tommy even a emperor acknowledging his superiority. He was trying his hardest to be nice and let everything cool off. But no John had to threaten him like that like a low life gangster.
John was disrespectful. There is also in written history. Videos shown of how the Irish hated the Italians because they were very hard working people with business and they burnt down their business. Facts.
That old men was offering respect and honor and they behave like little boys I'm glad John didn't make it, if Tommy was there he'd shaken hands with that old men and say glad to see you again
@@TheGinge35because John disrespected his respect and good manners making the decision for the family without even knowing it Tommy confirmed that already when he was told after the fact
@@anthonymoore7648 there is no respect, they don’t see him as anything, their untouchable at this point, if Tommy had been there then old man would have been killed before he left the table 😂
@@Pro_camper32 went out like a pussy, sucking off the ego of his wife when he knows the truth. He shouldn't be alone at that period when a war is about to begin. He got killed because he was isolated, and he was isolated because thats what his wife wanted.
@@Pro_camper32 Yeah getting shot up like a pussy for disrespecting another man sure is 'boss'. John Shelby was a joke of a man from the very first episode. John never took even his children seriously. And that's why he left them with no biological father, on top of no biological mother. What a shame of a man.
That's exactly why, no one else does Negotiations in the Shelby family other than Tommy. He knows, his diplomatic and way with people cannot be imitated by any other family member other than him and Polly.
Luca Changretta was the villain, but he had a legitimate beef. First his brother’s restaurant was burnt down, then his father was insulted and threats were made, then his brother was beaten up, then unfortunately Grace Shelby got caught in the cross fire of the retaliation, so his father gets clipped. I don’t think him coming over to England for revenge is so unreasonable. His only mistake was not killing Thomas Shelby when they had their first meeting. He got the drop on him so why go through some gentlemanly charade?
To be fair, that would still leave the rest of the Shelbys and the rest of the Peaky Blinders gang looking for revenge, plus all the cops in England on his ass. The deal he made with Tommy meant that he could work on a way to eliminate all of the Peaky Blinders gang without the cops interfering. Didn’t work out for him in the end of course, but it gave him a better chance than if he just shot Tommy in the face at that meeting.
plot armor at its finest. but i suppose that could be blamed on changrettas ego and over confidence in himself even in a foreign land surrounded by enemies and a place where tommy’s rule was unquestionable
I think that even though John had someone else he still had a thing for Lizzie. The irony is that Thomas married Lizzie. I wonder if that would have happened if John was still alive
Kimber was right, John was definitely the thickest of the 3 brothers. When your enemy comes to you hat in hand but upright with intent you don't slap away his hat, you encourage him to wear it proudly. John got what he was looking for, because BIG...
"You once borrowed clothes from us to look like man" funny how they forgot the hand that helped them 😂 as in life perfect lesson for who knows whats to be known
I don't know man Arthur had an amazing transformation in the show the pain of life that that guy goes through and the strength that he shows throughout is awe-inspiring the scene where he's talking to Alfie and Alfie is doing everything he can to piss Arthur off while under the guise of being respectful and the look that Arthur has when he is holding back more fury and rage behind his eyes then hell has scorn
Changretta was being really respectful and was just looking out for his Boy and The Universal Freedom of Love! So sad and an unnecessary war that didnt need to happen....
Don't worry, Tommy Shelby figured out the entire mob story from the very first episode. He made secret phone calls off-screen, had private conversations off-screen, and cut deals off-screen and off-script to make sure the plot armor would hold. Steven Knight never lets anything bad really happen to Tommy.
John was a walking contradiction, he started it then complained to Tommy about killing his teacher but this man was the teachers husband 🤦🏽♂️ like why complain now when you were the cause 😂
No, he actually refuses to do it and actually sticks to his word. Had John killed their childhood teacher, he probably would have lived for a lot longer.
Y’all don’t understand John knew that the Italians loss the war for expansion and that the only reason his son was into Lizzie was because she had connections to tommy and that’ll it bring them closer together just by association that’s exactly why John and Polly got into a disagreement they’re trying to pull a “ can’t beat them join them “ kind of move John was not having that , the Italians NEVER liked them ever since they made alliances with Alfie . Didn’t Sabini try and eliminate Tommy day one before he could even talk business with Alfie when he chose a side that should already tell you that the Italians hate the Peaky blinders they hold no love for them and John did not forget about that.
I was honestly rooting for the Italians during this conflict. John literally blinded the Italian boss' son in one eye because he couldn´t deal with his ex being together with someone else. Arthur was the only reasonable one out of the three brothers in this case since he wanted to avoid this war.
"Should we apologise in italian, or in english ?" "Burn down their fking pubs. Tonight. NOW" "Aye????!" "Why do we do it ?" "BECAUSE WE FKING CAN!" I still have goosebumps from the next speech from Thomas. All of Europe needs to remember from where we're from.
Its not because of jhon, directors wanted all 3 shelby brothers to be alive by the end of the series but jhon’s actor felt like he was overshadowed by tommy’s actor so he decided to leave the set and focus on his own show called gangs of london. So far that reason they killed him off. He wasn’t supposed to die originally.
It was obvious for me when I first saw peaky blinders that this was John's death. It was obvious that when they would come for them, John would be first/among the firsts to drop
Ese es uno de los tantos problemas con los "delincuentes" se creen por encima de TODOS y TODO y que pueden pisotear y humillar a quien quieran sin sufrir consecuencias.
Bro this just it this cause john life but everything got burn after my friend John was just being that guy that one guy no chances with no one even some talking raising voice 😅
I hated the outcome of this scene, I knew it was foreshadowing something even worse, than what is literally being shoved in your face. (I mean he made a deliberate threat, well ultimately they both did) Having said that, look at Arthur's face. Also, great "brass tacks" comment. 🎉
John was that issue fr lol the Shelby clan in general were them issues but John was the baby that wasn’t sheltered from the life as a boy like Finn was. John came up in the mud with his two big bros, went to the trenches with em and all. 😅 yeah John was foolin 😅
He definitely said too much, that was WAY too far😂 He was respectful and trying to help his son be with the girl he loves.. why threaten such intense violence over that? Tommy wouldn't have been so undiplomatic I feel like.
In the end John signed his death warrant on this day. Luca could’ve killed Tommy if he really wanted to the first meeting. It his over confidence and his wanting to make Tommy suffer ultimately cost him.
Arthur should’ve called another meeting with just him and the Italian. Also, y’all know that the actor who played John wanted out of the show right? That’s why he was killed in the series.
I still love that this show receives so much love, gotta be honest though 😂 who else was waiting for the 'its not diverse enough starter pack' groups to shut them down??? 😂😂😂 I pre-wrote multiple points and got basically fuck all.... Can't argue with it though it's probably the only show people don't argue about
John’s behavior here that spewed the war is also kinda the same behavior that led him to boldly defend his home alone essentially both directly causing his early death and
Tommy did not defend him because he thought John was right. He defended John because he was family and he knew that John's mind frame was one that you did not challenge for idiocy because he would not see it. Rather it was to make him follow through ....and John after said he could not kill his school teacher ... Arther is reasonable ...John never was ...it's just his unreasonable-ness only showed a few times
Thats sad😢 when they were kids they learned there ways from the italians they fed them the clothed them❤😮....just too have them grow up and and become ur enemy??? Thats cold....weird cold.
This was uncalled for coming from John, this gangster showed respect even when backed into a corner, the war with the Italians came from this meeting
Yes it did. He let his feelings for Lizzie and hate for Italians to cause his mouth to run-over with unnecessary disrespect. :(
He felt ballsy after Tommy supported his decision on cutting Angel.
Welcome to the world of big egos and small brains aka “gangsters”
Nahh. The war continued from letting the wife live. John starts a war but should’ve finished it right by bringing in Mrs changretta
Yeah i hate how people blamed tommy for johns death as if john didnt start everything.
Arthur's face knowing it was, indeed, too much.
So it was John’s mistake
@@Maily1basically. He lost his life for it too
@@lovemesomemilk
I don’t care to lose anymore because I lost things were meaningful to me more than humans
@@Maily1 John = loose cannon.
@@CB-xr1eg
How?
Honestly Vicente Changretta was respecatble and did not deserve this
yup😢
Yeah “my son will fuck and showcase any of the women he wants in your city and you’ll be okay with it” fairytales never go on forever. That’s not how wars work. We’ve perverted everything at this point, and arguably beyond repair.
Yeahh...he was an un invited guest by John to take his own life
Arguably Vicente was a guest who overstepped his bounds of the meeting and made demands John and Arthur did not like. I am not defending their actions or saying they were honorable, but to stand their ground may have served a different purpose than just being a bully.
@yigit-nh2vn He also "littearly" reminds the Shelby brothers of a debt. That's how a lot of threats start.
Basically the man said he will honour the business deals... But will not tolerate bullying for personal reasons....
& thats TITALLY right.. for once the shelbys were WRONG here.
Still entitlement, still taking from them
The old man forgot one very important rule, never go after the Big Man's daughter, secretary, maid or sister, without first asking his permission. Thomas Shelby was the Big Man, the old man or his son should have first asked his permission. To do otherwise was disrespectful
@@billzkhan100you mean John. Arthur and Tommy wouldn’t have done this. John fucked yup
@@gc679 the old man held more power than the Peaky Blinders though. Keep in mind, Luca Changretta, Vincente's son, could have easily killed all of the Peaky Blinders in a matter of days if he wanted to. He didn't do it because he wanted to make Tommy suffer, which costed him his life.
"Where once you borrowed clothes from us to look like men." The real hard hitting line.
John is so dumb Arthur knows how to be diplomatic but John is just a problem
Yet Thomas said he did the right thing because once you apologize, that's what you'll be doing the rest of your days for them. It's like taking Bricks out of your house & giving them away until you have no House/ Nothing left to negotiate
@@user-lp6yc7zi6xthis was during a time where Tommy was becoming less sympathetic to others and behaving more outlandishly until his wife gets killed
@@user-lp6yc7zi6xbut John didn’t know what he was gonna say Tommy didn’t think he should’ve disrespected him but that’s why he said he shouldn’t have apologized for the comment that wasn’t shown in the clip John said “ his son couldn’t walk far with broken knee caps “ lol why apologize after making a threat that wasn’t even called for???
@@user-lp6yc7zi6x how the fuck was any of this the right decision? All because one of Tommy's prostitutes got a boyfriend. Who cares
@user-lp6yc7zi6x and he was wrong. Ask his wife
John caused so many unnecessary problems
Which shelby hasnt tho.. 😂 id argue john made the least problems compared to the others
@venomstrikez yeah but Johnz decisions lead to his death at least arthur knows when it's too much
@@Hitokiri1912no he doesn't. He was a dope addict. And killed a teenage boy from "boxing"
@eddieabrahante4001 oh damnit I actually forgot about that what I guess what I'm trying to say is that he knows not to go too far om someone who actually has power to harm them
@@eddieabrahante4001lol people of all ages die from physically fighting especially boxing ….
He called Tommy even a emperor acknowledging his superiority. He was trying his hardest to be nice and let everything cool off. But no John had to threaten him like that like a low life gangster.
The emperor reference was sarcasm
@@bwalker4375 Sarcastic or not its still a form of acknowledgement
@@blakan1478 That’s not what sarcasm means
@@blakan1478Yeah you're wrong.
John was disrespectful. There is also in written history. Videos shown of how the Irish hated the Italians because they were very hard working people with business and they burnt down their business. Facts.
That old men was offering respect and honor and they behave like little boys I'm glad John didn't make it, if Tommy was there he'd shaken hands with that old men and say glad to see you again
No he wouldn’t, he agreed with John and literally shouted at Arthur for being soft 😂 did you even watch the show ?
@@TheGinge35because John disrespected his respect and good manners making the decision for the family without even knowing it Tommy confirmed that already when he was told after the fact
@@anthonymoore7648 there is no respect, they don’t see him as anything, their untouchable at this point, if Tommy had been there then old man would have been killed before he left the table 😂
@TheGinge35 cause it was to late, his reasoning was about not apologizing
@@curtisgough5566 no that was only part of it , he literally says John did the right thing 😂
The sentence that cost him his life in the end.
ARROGANCE HAS IT'S CONSEQUENCES!!
Went out like a boss tho
@@Pro_camper32 went out like a pussy, sucking off the ego of his wife when he knows the truth. He shouldn't be alone at that period when a war is about to begin. He got killed because he was isolated, and he was isolated because thats what his wife wanted.
When u disrespect the respect given to you this is what happens at the end
@@Pro_camper32 Yeah getting shot up like a pussy for disrespecting another man sure is 'boss'. John Shelby was a joke of a man from the very first episode. John never took even his children seriously. And that's why he left them with no biological father, on top of no biological mother.
What a shame of a man.
He was being reasonable but john let his shelby pride get in the way of that
Not even pride, just straight-up immaturity
@@flamingphoenix3202 they usually go hand in hand my friend
@@plaidpunkso true
Humility comes with maturity
The man showed respect. A true man would've shown respect to him too. This was uncalled for from John
Truth.
That's exactly why, no one else does Negotiations in the Shelby family other than Tommy. He knows, his diplomatic and way with people cannot be imitated by any other family member other than him and Polly.
Tommy literally says John did the right thing in the next scene
That's not about this incident.
He talk about Johns behavior towards his son@@amulet2235
@@amulet2235 Yes, and that cost him his life. Even Arthur and Polly were shocked by his endorsement.
Luca Changretta was the villain, but he had a legitimate beef. First his brother’s restaurant was burnt down, then his father was insulted and threats were made, then his brother was beaten up, then unfortunately Grace Shelby got caught in the cross fire of the retaliation, so his father gets clipped. I don’t think him coming over to England for revenge is so unreasonable. His only mistake was not killing Thomas Shelby when they had their first meeting. He got the drop on him so why go through some gentlemanly charade?
To be fair, that would still leave the rest of the Shelbys and the rest of the Peaky Blinders gang looking for revenge, plus all the cops in England on his ass. The deal he made with Tommy meant that he could work on a way to eliminate all of the Peaky Blinders gang without the cops interfering. Didn’t work out for him in the end of course, but it gave him a better chance than if he just shot Tommy in the face at that meeting.
plot armor at its finest. but i suppose that could be blamed on changrettas ego and over confidence in himself even in a foreign land surrounded by enemies and a place where tommy’s rule was unquestionable
Luca clearly states that he wanted Tommy to be the last, cuz that's what'll hurt him the most.. that's why!
1st off grace was killed by the Russians in series 3 this was the war with the Italians from series 4 grace was already dead
He wanted to take everything alway from Tommy, like Tommy took everything away from his family.
The old man was a G for doin this, amazing writing for this show.
Laughing at Changretta's son love for a prostitute is a lot of nerve coming from John, since he was in love with Lizzie at the beginning of the show.
I think that even though John had someone else he still had a thing for Lizzie. The irony is that Thomas married Lizzie. I wonder if that would have happened if John was still alive
This is proof that clothes don't make the man...respect friends, respect foes, it costs nothing. The price of disrespect is immeasurable.
Respect goes a long way and a man's word is not to be taken lightly it can cost you your life and has cost many to many lives
Kimber was right, John was definitely the thickest of the 3 brothers. When your enemy comes to you hat in hand but upright with intent you don't slap away his hat, you encourage him to wear it proudly. John got what he was looking for, because BIG...
Thats how john killed himself
"You once borrowed clothes from us to look like man" funny how they forgot the hand that helped them 😂 as in life perfect lesson for who knows whats to be known
Billy Kimber was right about John all along.
What did he say about John?
@@stephenwangondu3618 He's the thickest (dumb)
That John is the “thickest” of the 3 brothers
Lol, too true!
This is why Arthur might be the eldest but not a Leader. It would never have escalated If Thomas was in the meeting
True
Even enemies can show respect, but john was taking things personally. Never good business
Never disrespect an original gangster
To bad Tommy’s brothers never learned from him.
They're gypsies, what do you expect? Lol
and vice versa
Tommy backed this up only a scene or two later.
@@AnthonyTrudeauyeah, because he can't undo this - his only option was to support it.
I don't know man Arthur had an amazing transformation in the show the pain of life that that guy goes through and the strength that he shows throughout is awe-inspiring the scene where he's talking to Alfie and Alfie is doing everything he can to piss Arthur off while under the guise of being respectful and the look that Arthur has when he is holding back more fury and rage behind his eyes then hell has scorn
Arthur is a hot head and not the smartest,but surprisingly wise and stoic in trivial situations, John on the other hand 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This meeting sealed John’s fate.
Old man was a G
Wrote his own death warrant with that insult.
They should’ve listened to old Italian guy and John would be alive
The war with the Italians was the peak of this show, in my opinion. Top notch all around.
Changretta was being really respectful and was just looking out for his Boy and The Universal Freedom of Love!
So sad and an unnecessary war that didnt need to happen....
Don't worry, Tommy Shelby figured out the entire mob story from the very first episode. He made secret phone calls off-screen, had private conversations off-screen, and cut deals off-screen and off-script to make sure the plot armor would hold. Steven Knight never lets anything bad really happen to Tommy.
John was a walking contradiction, he started it then complained to Tommy about killing his teacher but this man was the teachers husband 🤦🏽♂️ like why complain now when you were the cause 😂
Exactly.
That’s what bugged me so much
John died the moment this man spit
Notice that’s why John was the very first victim to die from the Italian mafia. That laugh got him killed 💀
don't forget how John blamed Tommy for the killing of their childhood teacher.
No, he actually refuses to do it and actually sticks to his word. Had John killed their childhood teacher, he probably would have lived for a lot longer.
John is Chrissy in Peaky Blinders version😊
Y’all don’t understand John knew that the Italians loss the war for expansion and that the only reason his son was into Lizzie was because she had connections to tommy and that’ll it bring them closer together just by association that’s exactly why John and Polly got into a disagreement they’re trying to pull a “ can’t beat them join them “ kind of move John was not having that , the Italians NEVER liked them ever since they made alliances with Alfie . Didn’t Sabini try and eliminate Tommy day one before he could even talk business with Alfie when he chose a side that should already tell you that the Italians hate the Peaky blinders they hold no love for them and John did not forget about that.
I was honestly rooting for the Italians during this conflict. John literally blinded the Italian boss' son in one eye because he couldn´t deal with his ex being together with someone else. Arthur was the only reasonable one out of the three brothers in this case since he wanted to avoid this war.
Whoa... That's standing up for what you believe in and standing behind your family. I love this scene!
John's karma later payed
Sabini said, “suck and swollow but i spit “ hits hard
Upon a second evaluation, john caused his own death.
That one sentence got so many people killed
“He’s the oldest, you’re the thickest.”
"Should we apologise in italian, or in english ?"
"Burn down their fking pubs. Tonight. NOW"
"Aye????!"
"Why do we do it ?"
"BECAUSE WE FKING CAN!"
I still have goosebumps from the next speech from Thomas.
All of Europe needs to remember from where we're from.
I love this actor in star wars
If u want respect you give respect
1 of the best shows ever !
I have some words to say to this laugh
Just about to start season 4... Cant wait to see how John changes and matures as a character
Lol
He matured like a whiskey. Was aged in a casket.
lol
Hed seen to many sigma edits of himself, thought he was invincible😂
They gave him the bad guy role
This is single moment is what ultimately got John killed
Arthur had a reputation of being a troublemaker but it was John who really fucked up multiple times
Its not because of jhon, directors wanted all 3 shelby brothers to be alive by the end of the series but jhon’s actor felt like he was overshadowed by tommy’s actor so he decided to leave the set and focus on his own show called gangs of london. So far that reason they killed him off. He wasn’t supposed to die originally.
So instead of playing a character no one missed, he made a show no one watched?
Well, Cillian Murphy *was* the star, right?
John was my favorite character in the whole show
Smh John 🫖☕️
Arthur is just trying to hold in his laughter or else he will explode!💥😅
Onky full series watcher know that Tommy actually loved what John did.
Big L from John. Arthur knew instantly that he fucked up
That is the moment John signed his own death warrant.
Like Tommy said, "Because we can and if we can, we do"
It was obvious for me when I first saw peaky blinders that this was John's death. It was obvious that when they would come for them, John would be first/among the firsts to drop
Ese es uno de los tantos problemas con los "delincuentes" se creen por encima de TODOS y TODO y que pueden pisotear y humillar a quien quieran sin sufrir consecuencias.
John reminds me of Leon from "Snowfall", same energy, always escalating
The fall of the family. It got realllll fuckin dark. I love this show so much
John and Tommys "love" for Liz is the cause for that war
Was it Lizzie did the old man was talking about?
This is the the clip that put me on to Peaky Blinders.
Why don't I remember this scene. Watched every episode but yet can't remember this.
Proper brit drinking tea in any situation
Bro this just it this cause john life but everything got burn after my friend John was just being that guy that one guy no chances with no one even some talking raising voice 😅
So I short.... " I clothed you into what you are now... Now I ask that my son can be with who he wishes"
I hated the outcome of this scene, I knew it was foreshadowing something even worse, than what is literally being shoved in your face. (I mean he made a deliberate threat, well ultimately they both did) Having said that, look at Arthur's face.
Also, great "brass tacks" comment. 🎉
His feelings for lizzy crowded his judgement
People forget that it wasn’t Tommy but John who caused the vendetta war and his eventual death
John was that issue fr lol the Shelby clan in general were them issues but John was the baby that wasn’t sheltered from the life as a boy like Finn was. John came up in the mud with his two big bros, went to the trenches with em and all. 😅 yeah John was foolin 😅
He definitely said too much, that was WAY too far😂 He was respectful and trying to help his son be with the girl he loves.. why threaten such intense violence over that? Tommy wouldn't have been so undiplomatic I feel like.
I honestly thought john was class 😂
Grandad looks like a video game character
In the end John signed his death warrant on this day. Luca could’ve killed Tommy if he really wanted to the first meeting. It his over confidence and his wanting to make Tommy suffer ultimately cost him.
John was a piece of work. His arrogance and disrespectful smug nature got him killed.
Arthur should’ve called another meeting with just him and the Italian. Also, y’all know that the actor who played John wanted out of the show right? That’s why he was killed in the series.
…so he was stupid then.
When you're in love, you're in love.
I still love that this show receives so much love, gotta be honest though 😂 who else was waiting for the 'its not diverse enough starter pack' groups to shut them down??? 😂😂😂 I pre-wrote multiple points and got basically fuck all.... Can't argue with it though it's probably the only show people don't argue about
John’s behavior here that spewed the war is also kinda the same behavior that led him to boldly defend his home alone essentially both directly causing his early death and
Thomas " Where's John?"
Arthur " There, in His fvcking door step. Poor John fvcking Gone"
John knew how to keep the status quo. Always bring the pain, especially when ur on top
John got fucking blasted
Tommy defended John on this and I was genuinely surprised when he did.
Tommy did not defend him because he thought John was right. He defended John because he was family and he knew that John's mind frame was one that you did not challenge for idiocy because he would not see it. Rather it was to make him follow through ....and John after said he could not kill his school teacher ... Arther is reasonable ...John never was ...it's just his unreasonable-ness only showed a few times
That was one of coldest reply
He signed his own death certificate with that 'joke'
Admiral Piett calling Tommy Shelby the Emperor wint go down well...
Pride cometh before a fall...
peaky blinders represent so much Old british culture where being a bully was considered really cool😂😂😂.
Thats sad😢 when they were kids they learned there ways from the italians they fed them the clothed them❤😮....just too have them grow up and and become ur enemy??? Thats cold....weird cold.
John caused his own death by starting this
Arthurs cristmas gift . Ada nd johns cnvrsetion
John and alfie stole the camera from every character in every episode they were in
Keep in the hard work moving forward