Proportional representation will 'open a door to hell' in UK politics | Paola Diana
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ย. 2024
- 'It would be a disaster... the electoral system shapes the way political parties are formed in a country.'
Paola Diana tells Lee Anderson MP that implementing proportional representation would open a political 'a door to hell'.
🤔 Should the UK move to a PR system?
Keep up to date with the latest news at www.gbnews.com
Join us today and unlock your members-only benefits: gbnews.com/support
Twitter: / gbnews
Facebook: / gbnewsonline
Download the GB News app! You can watch GB News on all of your favourite devices and keep up to date with the latest news, analysis, opinion and more.
www.gbnews.com...
![กี่หมื่นฟ้า | Your Sky Series EP.1 [2/4]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qJbQs_nhjD4/mqdefault.jpg)
Don't blame the electorate for the failures of our MPs.
We're fed up with the constant lies and corruption.
Yeah let's not blame the enablers...
You realise that you can recall an MP anytime between am election, if they've lied get rid now. Don't upend the system for something that is actually worse. It creates more deadlock.
I used to think PR was the answer, upon closer inspection of it's use elsewhere I no longer think it's a good idea. Coalition governments will get less of what their manifestos promised, the exact same thing happened whe the lib Dems and the Tories were a coalition. Neither could fulfill their promises because they were in many instances on either end of a debate or ideal. The Tories didn't want uni tuition fees ditching, but the lib Dems did, the lib Dems didn't deliver, but the Tories did, the Tory voters were happy the lib dem voters weren't.
It just creates more division.
Sorry the electorate ARE totally at fault. We've seen the lies and corruption for decades and we still vote for the Lab-Con uniparty. Look at the polls now. 70 odd percent would still vote Lab-Con today after everything they've already done. We get the governments we deserve... .
Shock news…2 MPs from BIG parties don’t want PR😂
Or a republic
Most labour supporters want it
@@carysparkes a republic? You do realise the unelected king would shit himself.
@@carysparkes ..but not Labour MPs
@@2handsandwiches I meant PR but I agree
The 2 largest parties do not want PR hahahaha what a surprise. These days very few politicians actually represent their constituents, they are career politicians. Perhaps if they all did what they are paid to do as a politician I would not want PR but as the "one party" system we seem to have at the moment anything else must be better.
Most labour supporters want PR, it would prevent the tories ever having a majority ever again.
@@carysparkes so you don't want more democracy, you just wanna make sure that tories have a majority regardless of how shit they get? Most people who are fed up with the duopoly we have want PR. If somebody is truly an unconditional labour supporter similarly to how you seem to be an unconditional tory supporter, then they don't want PR, cause it doesn't benefit them as much as the current system does
The FPTP system is bent. It makes a waste of time voting for most people.
If you can't vote for a republic, you haven't got a democracy.
Take what lee Anderson says between now and the next general election with a very large pinch of salt 😂
Lee Andersons party hasent met the commitment to his minority first past the post voters, and totally failed everyone else
Hes only moaning because he knows he and the Tories are done.
I'll take the 30p and live on it for a whole week if it's all the same to you.
Instability is caused by useless politicians rather than a pr system - it works in lots of countries.
Or unelected monarchs
@@2handsandwiches Constitutional Monarchies such as ours are actually some of the most stable countries in the world. Having a non partisan, non political head of state works out much better.
@@Oxley016 non partisan, they don't even pay inheritance tax.. 😂
@@2handsandwiches Technically they pay an annual inheritance tax rate of 85%
@@Oxley016 yeah from money they get from who? Don't talk rubbish.
And this ISN'T like hell....Nigel would have had loads of seats under PR. Desperate Tories trying to preserve their jobs. 14 wasted years.
Proportional representation would give us a truer form of a democratic representation
if we do it then for the love of God do not copy the Scottish system! we have had zero democracy for 15 years! PR may work but those who create it (Blair) have perverse incentives to ensure a one party state is the result
Anything has to be better than what we have now
A door to hell for the 2 big parties
Maybe a republic then? Or don't we have a democracy?
@@2handsandwiches the issue is that the 2 big parties are not actually allowing the public to vote on the big issues of the day, both parties are a shade of each other and both parties are set to increase migration, raise taxes, increase the amount of government involvement in the individual (look at policy’s like CBDC & ULEZ / rapid rollout of smart cameras) & not to forget the big one pursuing ‘net zero’ in the name of the holly ‘CLIMATE CHANGE’. Both parties quietly want all the above but know the public will reject it if implemented too fast. When have you seen either big party put these unpopular policies forefront. This is also why you see khan introducing ulez to outer London and the tories pretending there is nothing they can do. You then have to factor in that most western countries are embarking on a similar path where the aim is all these things and people don’t have a say. It’s really not a stretch at this point to say that it seems coordinated. We need all to re gain our power as the public and if that means sending both big established parties thru the door to hell then so be it. That will be the punishment for not listening to the public.
@@winstonsmasterplan what's the common denominator? It's the king's privy council, Charles has shares in major oil company's through vanguard, he's the biggest hypocrite on the planet.
@@2handsandwichesanother example is COP28, unelected delegates meet and agree policy that sovereign nations adopt.
They talk about honesty in politics, give them all lie detector tests before each election / public vote and let's see who really believe they're telling the truth
Try asking for a vote or a republic, they won't like that.
They only like what serves their personal interests mate thats the problem@@2handsandwiches
Thing is that shower of shite believe their own lies
Give them all Bob Hare (Psychopath) tests. Then publish them and let the voters decide.
@@lumpyfishgravy you don't need to give Tony Blair a phycology test to work out he's a evil little shit.
Tory or Labour for generations to come,what joy that brings,,
Try voting republic 😂
Unless we do it in a different way then the sh*tshow we have, will continue
Some of the most stable progressive countries in Europe have Governments formed from Coalitions based on various forms of Proportional Representation .
Proportional representation may not be the answer, but given the parlous state of the political representation presently occupying parliament and the damage done over the last 30 plus years, I'm game for change and Reform .
Naturally, the proportional democratic voting system works. But asking a representative from mafia-ruled Italy is probably not constructive. Better ask the question to a representative from, for example, Scandinavia - which the UK culturally resembles more.
It doesn't work, because we can't vote for a republic, democracy is a sham
This title could also read: "Proportional representation will 'open a door to a politics I disagree with' in UK politics
Proportional representation will mean everybody's vote counts.
Voting for a rigged system isn't really an option, if you can't vote for a republic, you haven't got a democracy.
Exactly. These establishment stooges want to be in power forever with us never having a real say in how the country is run - A Labour-Conservative merry go round forever. Yuck no thank you! If it wasn't for the Sheeple of UK we would have swept out the dross of the Lab-Con monoparty years ago
@@Pandermoanium and they all answer to the king privy council when elected anyway, anything remotely challenging vanguards monopoly on corporations will be halted immediately.
@justalan I think PR sounds good in theory, but main issue for me is that it doesn't ensure local accountability to particular constituencies. How are PR MPs chosen? Which constituencies do they come from? How do constituents know who they are voting for to represent them?
I think better option is to leave current system as is, but have a 3rd or 4th party that can provide options. Maybe it takes 2-3 election cycles - but in long run it works better.
Need to get rid of existing Uni-Party, where not much difference between the two
But you end up with coalition governments all the time and no real change.
Its a disaster now, you can not put a cigarette paper between the Cons and Liebour.
NO to the serogated representation system - YES to public consensus
Lots of other countries have PR and they seem to manage OK.
The country desperately needs a centre right party.
They tell the electorate what they're going to do and do none of it, we have that now.
I seem to remember David Cameron aspiring to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands. What happened there.
A republic vote is out of the question, what do you think this is? A democracy?
FPTP is not democratic, look at 2015 UKIP 15.6% of the vote and one (lucky) seat. At least with PR my vote would count.
P.R. is not a solution to UK's problems - but a viable 3rd, 4th Party potentially is. Effectively, we now have just one Uni-Party
A change is needed and the tories are like labour so yes we need pr
Cannot be any worse than the present bunch on both sides. To much self interest and not enough for the British Tax Payer.
😂ask to vote for a republic, watch them deny you.
Can PR be worse than the pwned Uniparty?
The system of directly voting for our representative is fine, the problem is when the representative doesn't follow the wishes of their electorate.
Lee on his anti reform campaign before his party is removed from relevance
How about a republic? Or does democracy not exist?
Why not get ride of all MPs and have the people of the country vote online everytime there is a vote in parliament. That would actually be democracy.
No, it would not.
Imagine your grandma is not able to use the internet... Just one example
you think that's a good idea? the majority of the voting public vote for left wing parties. so enjoy your left wing policies
I find it funny they argue with coalition nothing gets done. Nothing gets done when the main parties fail us. An element of PR is needed to make these overbloated sense of entitlement people frightened. Please shut up its obvious what you're doing.
Not much can be left than left...but its easy to replace TORIES who are left now.
Labour & Tories are as bad as each other
😂 try voting for a republic, your vote is meaning less
@@2handsandwiches if only. ..
@@ciupak7932 exactly, it's not a democracy, it's a kings privy council wet dream.
Local MPs appear to do the bare minimum to placate their constituents anyway. There are always unfulfilled pledges so that cannot be used as an argument against changing the system.
I'd like us to at least try PR so we can compare it to the existing FPTP system. If it isnt as good, back to FTPT we go.
That's some weak FUD coming from ruling class Status Quo mouthpeices. PR for the UK, and the US while we're at it!
Local MPs sitting on big majorities couldn't care less about the local people they represent. More concerned about towing the party line than standing up for local issues.
Uk is already hell 😂😂
Our politics is broken we need another party , the fault is with the two partys , they have not taken notice of the public no more lies
A suggestion, let's go for a 2 stage election. In stage one, everything would be as at present, but the two highest candidates ( assuming no one got 50 % of vote) would then face a second round. In the first round, any elector would feal that can vote for their preferences, and maybe that preference would win but then in the second round, the elector would vote for the best choice as he saw it. This system works in numerous other countries
Ha ha ha are you joking ! 6 Bob why did the Tory party illegally close parliament ? That’s the first time this has happened since the dictator Oliver Cromwell the time before this lead to the king being beheaded !
Tories and Labour would never allow it.
But they are ignoring the popularity of PR+ systems…which are more stabile but don’t lock everyone out of government like the existing non-establishment/entrenched/UniParty system.
Lee is running scared of reform
I love her accent shes posh italian lol
It's horrible....unnatural trying to speak posh English
She is absolutely gorgeous.
Going to Heaven is easy!
First, you must realize that you have sinned against God and need to be forgiven and saved from hell if you haven’t been already. To be saved from hell and forgiven of all sin, believe that the Son of God, Jesus Christ, died on the cross for your sins, was buried, and rose again (1 Cor 15:1-4). When you believe that Christ’s atoning work paid for all your sins and when you make Jesus your only hope of going to Heaven, you are forgiven of all sin by God and forever saved from hell; once you are forgiven, you are always forgiven. Warning: None of our good deeds can get us into Heaven. If we trust in our own works to get us to Heaven instead of Christ’s atonement, we will not be allowed in. The Bible says “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Titus 3:5). In conclusion, just believe that all your sins are paid for by Jesus’ atoning work and make Christ your only hope of going to Heaven apart from your good deeds.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9
The love of money is the root to evil, how many rosthschild pubes do you think GB news spit out every week?
What would be the best voting system that would work for everyone 🤔 at the moment the people don't like the Tories for there lack of action on their manifesto promises, or Labour because they want the same as the Cons , the people want a government that works for the people , so it seems the people want politicians to be held to account , once we've voted for whoever politicians seem to go their own way with their own agendas, really don't know what the answer is .
This woman thinks we are all Italians. The problems she describes are typical Italian. Most other European countries have proportional representation and don't have any problems. (Holland, Germany, Denmark etc.) Here in Holland proportional representation at the last elections seems to have brought back sanity. I know Argentina rather well for 40 years; 60% of Argentines is of Italian descent: always political crises and rampant inflation. Does it ring a bell?
How about a republic, let's get rid of the king's privy council.
What's that got to do with proportional representation?
@@DMG00111-p it's above your shitty proportionate representation. They won't be answering to the king's privy council, that's why nothing changes, the monarch vetos any law's that he doesn't like, like it ot not, that's the facts, the monarchy interfere.
5 Prime Ministers in 5 years is the definition of instability! Remove the First Past the Post and bring in PR.
😂 and not one option to vote republican, shows you how out fraudulent democracy really works. King's privy council all the way.
At the end of the Second World War the Resistance fighters came from Communist backgrounds fighting against the Nazi and Italian Fascists. With the on set of the cold war America, who provided the Marshall Plan for redevelopment, did not like the idea of Communists in Western Europe. In Italy the threshold for obtaining seats was relatively low compared to France or German which meant the Communists had a very large minority. America coerced the other parties to form coalitions to keep the Communists out of power. These coalitions were very fractured and were constantly falling out with each other hence the constant change in Italian governments and instability.
German on the other had has a higher threshold in the Proportional Representation model and hence a more stable form of Politics.
Britain would be a much better place if it introduced P.R as it would be more representative of the people. At the moment we live in a Two Party State.
I trust the discredited post office more than I trust Labour & Conservative politicians....
In Scandinavia many of what are know as populist parties in the space of a few election cycles have gone from being a small party with just a handful of MPs to becoming the second biggest party as this was a result PR . But being a small party sometimes can also give you the opportunity to be kingmaker.
Proportional Representation seems to have opened the door in the Netherlands.
Furthermore, the UK is not remotely like Italy, it doesn't have Italians living in it for a start.
Where are the people on this panel representing why PR would be a good thing for the UK?
As for proportion. As it stands Labour and Conservatives are not cutting it. We need change. We cannot continue this way. I’m for anything that allows the citizens to be heard and the MPs actually realising they work for us. They seem to have forgotten that.
Someone should tell her that UK politics has already stepped through that door to hell, dragged through by the lies and bad behaviour of of UK politicians. When the Labour bloke spoke about honest politics I almost had heart failure through laughing so much
And there sits a very worried man !!
Something has to change to some extent because this is getting ridiculous now, this system is insulting to the millions who voted for Reform, and the Greens as well to be fair
To have honest politics you need honest politicians. nuff said.
Paola Diana: More democracy would be a disaster.
Where did any small party come from? The alternative is to let the big parties dictate without recourse.
PR in its raw form would be a disaster, as it ensure the supremacy of voting ideology in high population centres - i.e., cities. To prevent that, you have to introduce lots of "ifs buts and maybes" to the process, which then ends up as a complete mess since those in power asking for a PR system are not doing so to ensure fairer representation of voters in parliament, but to ensure a system that benefits the political class. We already have an opportunity to change the face of politics however, voters continue to *choose* useless parties and useless representatives. If anything, *party* politics should be abolished completely and a reform of the parliament to ensure bills supported by the voters are put through instead of the rubbish we are handed down by successive governments, whether notionally left or right.
The biggest problem is the electorate has f all power over our political class. Will that improve with PR?
I like that HONEST politics not a chance
Time for The Conservatives to make way for Reform so Labour (Conservative Light) can be prevented from totally trashing the UK...
The only politicians fearing pr voting are those not doing there jobs. If your party does not represent the country and its people they are gone. We would get honest mp,s. Of course not all policy's will get done.
Only difference I see between the Parties is they sit opposite from each other in the House of Commons & get their instructions from the WEF
Direct democracy through proportional representation
Sounds like they're getting a bit worried about the peasants thinking for themselves. We've tried their way, it's not working for us, time to try something different.
Gardiner talking about honesty 😮
More countries should adopt our first past the post system. If they want to that is.
We have had the most unstable. 13 years is Parliament than most of us can ever remember we have to vote for conservatives or labour because they are the only two parties that can win if you vote reform UK your vote is pointless even if you get 10 or 15%of the vote.
We're already continuing to go through hell now with the current electoral system so why not give something new a try?
I live in country with PR. Any instability is because of personal ambitions, not program issues in coalition. And sometimes in coalition it is good that these parties don't deliver on initial manifesto because of unreasonable promices. 0:55 Funny that she says about lower barrier. People campaigning for FPTP say the opposite. It is just a choice what type of disadvantage voters want, nothing is ideal. The simplest way to reform UK in my outside opinion is to make 2nd chamber elected in PR and test it.
We are ALREADY in hell. We have nothing to lose with PR
I can't believe people are still against proportional representation despite there being many examples throughout the world (and the devolved parliaments) of it just working fine if not even better than the current political establishments.
Netherlands > Germany > Britain
Democracy gets them in, after the're in..........
Of course the two main parties don't want it they would never get a majority again
How anyone can sit there and defend the legacy of the Conservative party is beyond me . And yes the Labour Party would probably be as bad or worse . That is exactly why we need a system that allows another party a chance of winning power . The Tories , Labour and Liberal parties think they have a god given right to govern this country. They have systematically destroyed the country between them .
Paola looking great.
So we put up with 2 crap party's and be happy. Look at the state of the country. By having 2 party's. I will be definitely voting for the reform party.
In further breaking news it seems bears sh1t in the woods....
MPs dont do what they say they are going to do anyway.....party politics rule in the end. HAHAHA honest and accountable politics.........havent laughed so hard for agas!! im thinking that the more established MPS diss First past the post....then I should be looking at it..cos they are, in essence, trying to defend what is working for THEM at the moment...not us!
PR that's what Reform want Labour who will bring PR in and then what you will get is far right and far left squabbles between childish little parties like Reform and Momentum who will never have any power, and the country will well and truly goosed
The trouble is that the current system entrenches the Tories and Labour, both of which are a disaster for this country!
Current system isn’t working so…. All we get is the same shiz different colour. People want something different.
I’m voting Reform.
FPTP might have been acceptable when there were huge differences between liblabcon parties but since they've all morphed into the same buggers muddle we have in effect a one party state and that simply cannot be preferable to PR.
I believe the best proportional representation system is for England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland to vote for a party. The overall country vote is than divided into seats proportionally among the countries, where each party can than draw their own seats based upon the equal proportional of votes they receive to represent their voters. Each person would have their desired party representation and could choose their representative from among their party in a second popular election contest. Each part of the country would have their own party representative, and also be represented by other party members that overlap their district. For example, you'd have a Conservatives representing all parts of London, and Labor members represting all rural areas, etc. The party with the most overall votes gets to draw more smaller districts based on where their voters are proportionally, and the party with the fewest votes gets to draw fewer, but larger proportional voter districts. Everyone has their own representation.that is proportional to the popular vote.
Some successful PR or AV voting areas exist. Govt in UK by 40% is not democratic, especially when, like this Tory givt, they promise one thing then do the other
Colonisers would love it.
Intelligent woman
PR for the main three.
Tories will be screwed if happens
The big man is panicing
He would be if people wanted a republic, the king's privy council is safe at the moment.
load of crap --> denmark for instance have PR
So are we living in Heaven ?
I hate to say this...but all three do have point. By the way I love the left in the corner sign!😂 Now in all seriousness FPTP, yes, has disadvantages no question. But it is straight forward to understand - majority of votes wins the seat. The postal voting system MUST be reformed! However if the whole thing does need to change then what about the AV+ system that the Jenkins Commission recommended? Sort of what the Germans have got already.
We get two ballots:
1 vote for a single MP.
1 vote for a party for the last 20% of the seats. Even Nigel Farage has said he supports this back in Question Time (with Queen's Brian May) in 2015 and a LBC debate a few years ago.
you're being too simplistic about 'PR'. There are multiple forms of representation that will produce a Parliament that's more proportional than the horrific FPTP. Yes, coalitions are inevitable, but don't have to be unstable. I would argue that the instability suffered by Italy is more a feature of the Italian temperament and their inability to avoid shouting at each other. New Zealand uses MMP (mixed-member proportional) which retains constituency MPs, and adds from a set of Party lists to make up the overall proportionality of Parliament. FPTP is shit.
No it will mean every votes count