❤ ISLAM is based upon QUR'AN, Sahih AHADITH & IJMA, Not the Personal Opinion of BABAs. May ALLAH عزوجل guide all of us towards his path of TRUTH. Aameen ! ! ! My Salute for all the TRUTH Lovers. Al-hamduLILLAH عزوجل ! ! !
Islam is based on Quran and Sunnah! Ijma can be challenged, and it should be. Ijma is the opinions of majority of Baba's actually. So a learned man should go directly to source, read and understand Quran as an ultimate authority and under its light study Ahadith, Fiqh, Ijma etc if any of these literatures fails to get reference from the Quran and Sunnah (Traditions/practices), just reject them.
32:45 They don't invest in business. **Hasan Ilyas** is mixing the meaning of two things: investment and loan. These are two different things. A bank is never part of your loss and always demands its money back by selling off your business. So, it operates like a shopkeeper and sells money, and in return, demands money. The bank is not investing; the bank is a shopkeeper who uses money as a product and demands it to be returned. That's a loan or renting money. Investment, however, comes with an understanding of loss. In case of a loss, the loss is distributed, not borne by just one person. For example, if I give you my bicycle as an investment, and you sell popcorn using that bicycle with the popcorn investment coming from you, then if we somehow end up with unsellable popcorn, I cannot demand my bicycle back. The loss will be shared. We would sell the bicycle and divide the loss, and whatever remains after selling the bicycle will be distributed evenly. This is called investment. But if you demand your bicycle back, then it would be considered a loan.
There are 100s videos of Hassan Ilyas.. but from last 2 days I’m waiting this one.. Just because to listen Fozan that how he conduct this show. JazakAllah
Fozan Podcast is delivering truly valuable content, and it's amazing to see how Fozan Bhai enhances the podcast with each episode! Each day brings fresh insights and improvements, making it a must-listen for everyone. Don't miss out!
Awesome Fozan, Robustness is what comes to mind after viewing & learning from this finely conducted podcast. Thanks for asking all critical questions, you got the skill of handling discussions maturely and steering in positive direction, no matter what.
I respect Mr Hasan. But in this podcast he showed several weaknesses in his understanding of 1. The Global Financial system 2. The nature of the Zionists. 3. His overall understanding of geo politics. I am disappointed.
You summarized it very well..especially the part were he did “whataboutism” when he was questioned about the Israeli expansion viz a viz secular colonial project. He didn’t spoke a word against American/Israeli brutality instead, he audaciously proposed the ummah to stay subjugated. The idea of Ghamdism is a compromised position. The moment this secular/liberal hegemony will breathe its last breath,Ghamdism will sob in the corner.
@@mshaz452 This litmus of “Akhlaaq” is going overboard now. Geerah (Vigilant care, Self-Honor and Self-Respect) should always have a precedence over etiquette and Mannerism. This is what the western slave masters do, they take away all our Honor and then expect mannerism from us. For instance they will cunningly force us to let our womenfolks take of their hijab and let them be shoulder to shoulder with other western women while expecting us to behave normal, appreciative, and feel proud of it.
ایک طرف مغربی تہذیب اور اسکے غلبے کا اعتراف اور دوسری جانب اسکے حل کیلئے تزکیہ نفس کو ہی انسان کی زندگی کا مقصد بتانا۔۔۔ یہ تضاد ہے موصوف کی فکر میں تزکیہ نفس کی ایسی کوششیں بہت سارے پلیٹ فارمز سے پہلے سے ہورہی ہیں اور وہ بار آور ثابت نہیں ہوئ۔
Never listened to ghamdi, but Hasan ilyas is a very intelligent & a logical man, every word he has he has a logic and Islam behind it. we might not agree with everything he says but more people need to listen to him to broaden there prospective of Islam, didnt really like how Ahmed fozan was unprepared for him and cut in the middle multiple times
relax guys jis state main inho ne panah li hui hai usey raazi bhi to rakhna hai na! jo museebten pehle islam qubool krne pe aati thiin ab wo shariyat pr baat krne se aati hain
32:00 yaha par Hassan sahab ne jo baat kahi hai ke Sood , Zaroorat ke waqt qarz lene par Manfiyat ka mutalabla hai,, lekin Quran me jo Sood lene walo par Allah ne roka hai waha par karobari zaroorat ke waqt ka bhi zikar hai nake sirf zaroorat , aur us zameene me karoobari zaroorat ke tahet bhi soodi qarz liya jaata tha usko mana kiya gaya hai
28:00 rules and philosophy is what makes something different , so Islam asool for economy and business are defined, this makes it a different economy system, so here Hasan ilyas is also doing framing effect and also using a different meaning for a system its called Equivocation fallacy, where two different meanings of a word are miss used and he is also doing strawmaning fallacy by miss using the meaning of system. when we say a system we mean in core it has different laws and those laws rules change the result, a better way is to explain how it is different, it is different in rules, " that you cannot create money from thin air and double the currency in economy by click of a button" but Hasan ilyas present it as some kind of machine system we are talking about its like saying we both have same car so we have same system but one drives it fast and other slow which means they have different philosophy and in this context a system word is being used which is strawman by Mr illya and give it a meaning of having same engine
Mr. Hassan Ilyas two times failed to potrays Ghamidi Sahib real stance. I know he is still a student; I would recommend you listen/read Ghamidi sahib directly, his books and videos are on record. FIRST: Ghamidi Sahib stance on counter narrative on Ghalba e Deen is so strong, he has a debate with Dr Israr Ahmed directly, that was actually a turning point for me as well where I left Dr Israr Ahmed stance and started to look Ghamidi Sahib POV. Mr Hassan could not highlights the main point. There is one more session with Saleem Safi of Ghamidi sahib on same topic, I have saved it and watched many times, his research was piece of art. SECOND: Second about Palestine, the issue of Palestine needs a lot of time to actually understand where Muslims did mistake and what we can do now as Muslim Ummah and as a nation. Ghamidi Sahib took more than 15 hours to discuss it you should watch it. Ma'aSLAM!
That debate with dr israr ahmed is not completly or well represented the orthodoxy point of view. Read the work of syed abu ala madoudi, then compare it with javed ahmed shb doctrine , you will find which doctrine is better or not.
@@AneesPGP i prefer orthodoxy , and syed abu al madoudi books are enough to understand islam with his true essense. Ibn tymiah, shah wali ullah , shibli nomani , iqbal, molana farahi, molana imeen ahsan islahi , and at last syed abu al madoudi has the same understanding of islam with minor differences. Though javed Ahmed gamadi and molana wahidudin khan are also derived from the same chain (get taught by molana farahi, ameen ahsan islahi and others ) but they go too too far . It's difficult for me to do, so much compromise on islam as they did. For me syed madoudi provides the best view. Not only his book but also his life and character is a role model for me. What a life he spent, in a satanic world!
27:00 no one is saying to a fruit man to come and change the system he cannot change the system because he has no skills he has been asked to develop skill gain knowledge and become competent enough to understand the benefits of non interest based banking and how interest based banking damage the society and then educate other and build himself morally and spiritually to be able to play his role in changing the system, and to work under his capacity for the system, this could be simply educating family and preparing kids to have a aim to gain skills of Islamic economic system so his kids can play role on his behalf Hasan ilyas is doing strawman fallacy and distorting the argument, when we say that a fruit man need to work for establishing deen, it means he needs to transform himself to be able to do it ,but Hasan ilyas assume that he need to have a gun and change the system that is stawmaning The reason fruit man matters is because its a revolution method and democracy which give power to every citizen to vote and thats why it matters to even have a fruit man educated enough to come out and become part of revolution
Fruit man don't have time to get all this knowledge, if he does, his kids will be on streets. Also not everyone has aptitude to become knowledgeable in complex matter. Even scholars have difference of opinion on Islamic banking how would you expect a common man to understand these details.
@minhajkhan7172 no one is saying to a fruit man to become a economist and earn degree, banking system and interest based economy can be understood with in a day or in few minutes if you are will to teach them in urdu and its their right and necessity to understand what is right and wrong and it is the core of democracy that your averge person is fully aware of the right and wrong but this is the job youth to educate about basic knowledge that how System of bankers effect him and his children I can teach you with in few minutes how the banking operates and create loan from thin air by click of button and after covid the idea of fraction reserve was also removed so in USA the are giving loans more easily and frequently
The fruit man has power to protest and vote & that is why he matters in this modren world, the muslims desire to havr islamic system has evolved after defeats and have come to conclusion that you need massive public perssure and revolution based on number of people who are willing to come out and change the system and that can only happen if they are educated about faults of economic system revolution is based on public massive number coming out for a change of System and that's why in the context of modern world the only viable solution is the revolution and for that fruit man has a significant role to play So in order to train him and give him purpose he needs to understand that System is wrongful setup againt him and the reason he is poor is not having people on authority who are pure
@@minhajkhan7172 the necessary knowledge of how banks are wrong can be explained with in 1 hour in urdu to every human even the fruit man, And this is only possible if you have invested your time in preparing to explain banking in simple and easy way It takes effort to find a way and example to explain basic idea I can do it because I have spend good amount of time to explain the concept to my own family in urdu who are not well educated So , you can explain it if you put effort and once you find the way it can be explain to every othe person
Great podcast Fozan bhai. Hasan bhai ny bht acha explain kia. mgr please aik bar achi niyat k sath inhen qaisar ahmed raja ya sahil adeem k sath bethany ki mukhlis try kren please.
@@ahmedfozan123 nhi sir mera ye mtlb tha k qaisar bhai bhi bht dheemy mizaj k he. agr hasan sb aur qaisar sb aik conversation me ho to 2 opposite points ki face to face conversation mein public ko bht kuch clear ho skta. apki niyat pe shq hta to apki podcast ka wait na hta🙏
33:01 loan are given to state that causes major issue because they are never spent on productivity and make the whole nation poor and under debt, our state always on default and its the same situation like a person who is helpless
If someone lives in Pakistan, they pay taxes to the government. The government uses tax money to repay loans to other countries, which are based on interest. Don't you think all Pakistani citizens are indirectly connected to interest? I disagree with the idea that eating haram is acceptable for survival, but not for luxury or growth. I'd like to see intellectuals like Dr. Zakir, Qasir Ahmed Raja, Khalid Mehmood Abbasi, and Muhammad Ali Mirza debate and challenge this perspective.
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حد ہے صاحب۔۔سیاست سے اگر مسائل حل ہوتے تو رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم سے بڑا تو سیاست دان کوئی نہیں تھا تو انہیں کیوں لڑائی کی ضرورت پیش آئی۔۔اور محترم اگر امتیوں کے لئے رسول اللہ سے بڑھ کر تو فکر مند نہیں ہو سکتا تو رسول اللہ نے کیسے 313 کو میدان میں اتار دیا۔۔کیا رسول ان 313 کے انجام سے واقف نہ تھے کہ اگر یہ لڑیں گے تو شہید بھی ہوں گے۔۔۔اور کیا رسول اللہ کو نہیں پتہ تھا کہ یہ تو نہتے ہیں ان سب کے پاس تو ہتھیار جس کو آپ طاقت کہہ رہے ہیں وہ بھی نہیں ہے۔۔؟ آپ یہ کیا انجام انجام سکھا رہے ہیں یہاں بیٹھ کے۔۔آپ کس لئے آئے ہیں دنیا میں۔۔؟؟ مجھے نہیں لگتا ان محترم کو دنیا میں آنے کا مقصد بھی پتہ ہو۔۔کیونکہ جس کو معلوم ہو وہ ایسی احمقانہ باتیں تو نہیں کرتا۔۔۔ مجھے افسوس ہے ان محترم نے اس حقیقی زندگی کے بدلے اس عارضی زندگی اور illusion کو قبول کیا۔۔۔جو کہ محض دھوکے کے سوا کچھ نہیں۔۔اور اسی دھوکے میں آ کر محترم انجام سے ڈرتے ہیں۔۔۔
He is the one who did podcast with Dr taimur sahab and they both agreed that islam has no political or economic system.. And when invited by qaiser ahmed raja to prove his statements, he ran away 🙂 Why inviting such people?
Maktaba ghamdi is like shajara khabissa , batil they can not face questions they will run if challenged with knowledge.... Just ask Hassan jahil....or ghamdi jahilll how many books they studied to understand the current economy system and they both have not studied a single book on the subject.....tape recorder of ghamdi should answer by telling us the names of books that they studied to understand todays money system....and if the can not answer they should study sheikh Imran Hussain
@Osaid_Balagam, No, let's not lie-Ustadh and Revivalist Qaiser Ahmad Raja sahab (حفظه الله تعالى) has called out his cowardice as well as challenged Dr. Taimur Rehman (A.K.A. Laal) for over 360 times now to a debate just to see the latter citing lame excuses. Moreover, Dr. Taimur is an outspoken Marxist-cum-Communist, does not hold a stake to Islam's Politico-economic system. It's well-understood as to why he collaborates with Javid Ahmad Ghamdi sahab technically. Subsequently and consequently, what differentiates between a Secular and a Javid Ghamdi fanboy? It's imperative that Javid Ahmad Ghamdi sahab's appetite for unorthodoxy is insatiable. None among the Jumhoor ulema kiram supports Javid sahab's narrative. As Dr. Aadil Ashraf sahab assesses in his essay, Maulana Maududi had rightly pointed out that a person who believes in Marx's "historical materialism" can't be a believer in Islam! Because the Marxist interpretation of history and society entails that the beliefs, laws, customs, culture, morality, political setup etc are all not derived from any divine and objective principles but from the material and economic conditions of a particular period and all of them, without any exceptions, are bound to change as the "economic base" of a society changes”. Communism and Marxism Farosh, Laal has applies the same false dogma as Javid Ghamdi sahab as to to arrive at the conclusion he has put forth regarding Purdah. The real problem is not him running his mouth but of some of the believing muslims praising and cherishing him! For them a quote that Imam Ghazali has mentioned in his Ahya Al Uloom should suffice :- "مَنْ وَقَّرَ صَاحِبَ بِدْعَةٍ، فَقَدْ أَعَانَ عَلَى هَدْمِ الْإِسْلَامِ " "Whosoever respects a heretic has helped in the destruction of Islam" Wasalam!
@@electronicsurdupakistan9181 Aey logon jo imaan laye ho, na mard dusre mardon ka mazaak udayein, ho sakta hai ke woh unse behtar hon, aur na auratein dusri auraton ka mazaak udayein, ho sakta hai ke woh unse behtar hon. Aapas mein ek dusre par taan na karo, aur na ek dusre ko burey alaqab (titles) se yaad karo. Imaan lane ke baad fisq mein naam paida karna bahut buri baat hai. Jo log is rawish se baaz na aayein wahi zalim hain (Al-Hujurat 11)
@@ux_air first i need to know is maktaba ghamdi from Muslims...i say no they belong to west and these ayat does not apply to them.these ayat had context speaking to people of that time .....why no syaq and sbaq and context and mukhatib about these ayat..for khilafah ghamdi will run naked to show that khalifa is nit applicable today.....why nit these ayat. I can point kufr in every statement of ghamdi.
محترم نے صرف بزنس مین طبقے کو سامنے رکھتے ہوئے موجودہ بینکاری اور سودی نظام کو حلال قرار دے دیا ہے۔۔۔۔صرف اس لئے کہ کاروباری شخص اپنی بنیادی ضرورتوں کے لئے قرضہ نہیں لے رہا وہ شخص کاروبار کے لئے قرضہ لے رہا ہے اور اس صورت میں اضافی معاوضہ(سود) دیتا ہے۔۔جو کہ ماڈرن دنیا میں بزنس کہلاتا ہے۔۔ لیکن محترم ان عام اور غریب لوگوں کے لئے آپ کیا دلیل دیں گے جن کو صرف بینک سے ہی قرضہ کی امید ہوتی ہے اور ان کی بنیادی ضرورتوں کو جانتے ہوئے بھی بینک ان پہ وہی شرع سود لگاتا ہے جو کہ ایک کاروباری شخص کے لئے لگاتا ہے اور یہ عام اور غریب لوگ اپنی ضرورتوں کی خاطر اس سودی نظام میں پس جاتے ہیں۔۔آپ ان عام اور غریب لوگوں کے حق کے لئے کیسے چپ رہ سکتے ہیں اور کیسے ان غریب لوگوں کے لئے آج کے اس سودی نظام کو حلال قرار دے سکتے ہیں۔۔کم از کم غلط کو غلط کہنا تو سیکھ لیں۔آپ بجائے اسکے اس غلط کے سہی ہونے کی دلیلیں دے رہے ہیں۔۔۔
سب سے پہلے سود کی تعریف سمجھ لینی چاہئے۔قران میں سود سے متعلق جتنے بھی آحکامات ہیں وہ سود لینے سے متعلق ہیں سود دینے سے متعلق نہیں آخر اللہ تعالٰی نے یہ حکم کیوں نہیں دیا۔
Just ask Hassan jahil....or ghamdi jahilll how many books they studied to understand the current economy system and they both have not studied a single book on the subject.....tape recorder of ghamdi should answer by telling us the names of books that they studied to understand todays money system....and if the can not answer they should study sheikh Imran Hussain
I think religious people should not be commenting on political issues.. they don't have aptitude and knowledge of understandingbof political issues. Whole of Arabs and Palestinian Authority have already offered two state solution... It is Israel who defeated this solution... I think He has defeatist attitude... There is contradiction in his belief...
You wasted time with Ghamidi boy, they believe that msulims in west are not required to offer juma...Riba giving not a sin but riba taking is sin //lol lol
43:41 falastine ny 70 saal aman k rasta adopt kia lekin tang aa kr jihad k ilan kia , ilyaes aur mirza engineer jaisy aik yahya sinwar k pairon ki khaak k barbar nahi, lanat ho py , Allah will not forgive you for hurting Palestinian cuause
this man is either delusional or trying to be over clever.....zehni budhazmi ke aala misaal mtlb kamal hai ...sood kaheen hai nahi....america main islam pr amal krna utna he mumkin hai jitna yahan....palestine siyasi masla hai.....mtlb maatam un ke aqal pr jo iss k peechay chal rahay hain
For each person who would distract from true path and would get misconceptions after listening this simp bigot , you would get his/ her sin on yourself because you knew him fozan. Shame on you. After this , how can you say you are on the side of Islam. If you want to continue these things in future, then regard yourself as neutral or liberal. Just criticizing sahil adeem won't make you perfect
@@ahmedfozan123 I'm just asking you a simple question that jitne bhi log is ki batein sun kar confuse hoon ge , un ki confusion Kon door kre ga??? Allama fozan kare ge??
@@revolutionaryplans3369 poori series shuru ke ha or b scholars aa rahey hen! You’re not asking a question..you’re giving a verdict! And mind your language!
❤ ISLAM is based upon QUR'AN, Sahih AHADITH & IJMA, Not the Personal Opinion of BABAs. May ALLAH عزوجل guide all of us towards his path of TRUTH. Aameen ! ! ! My Salute for all the TRUTH Lovers. Al-hamduLILLAH عزوجل ! ! !
Islam is based on Quran and Sunnah! Ijma can be challenged, and it should be.
Ijma is the opinions of majority of Baba's actually. So a learned man should go directly to source, read and understand Quran as an ultimate authority and under its light study Ahadith, Fiqh, Ijma etc if any of these literatures fails to get reference from the Quran and Sunnah (Traditions/practices), just reject them.
Ap nay baz nahi Ana! Har cheez ju liberal Islam ko present kary us ky neechy ap hazir Hu jaty hain!
Mirzaiyo ka front Man
Wase tu app front man han lekn yaha apki baat sai ha
You are anti quran zoinists , propagting zoinist narrative
Thank you for exposing him
32:45
They don't invest in business. **Hasan Ilyas** is mixing the meaning of two things: investment and loan. These are two different things. A bank is never part of your loss and always demands its money back by selling off your business. So, it operates like a shopkeeper and sells money, and in return, demands money. The bank is not investing; the bank is a shopkeeper who uses money as a product and demands it to be returned. That's a loan or renting money.
Investment, however, comes with an understanding of loss. In case of a loss, the loss is distributed, not borne by just one person. For example, if I give you my bicycle as an investment, and you sell popcorn using that bicycle with the popcorn investment coming from you, then if we somehow end up with unsellable popcorn, I cannot demand my bicycle back. The loss will be shared. We would sell the bicycle and divide the loss, and whatever remains after selling the bicycle will be distributed evenly. This is called investment.
But if you demand your bicycle back, then it would be considered a loan.
There are 100s videos of Hassan Ilyas.. but from last 2 days I’m waiting this one.. Just because to listen Fozan that how he conduct this show.
JazakAllah
Thought-provoking. How about a discussion between Hasan Ilyas and Khalid Mahmood Abbasi on Iqamat e Deen?
He’s coming today
Fozan Podcast is delivering truly valuable content, and it's amazing to see how Fozan Bhai enhances the podcast with each episode! Each day brings fresh insights and improvements, making it a must-listen for everyone. Don't miss out!
زبردست ❤❤ حسن الیاس صاحب نے تو دل جیت لیا۔ سبحان اللہ ، ماشاءاللہ
Kya baat pasand aai?
@@ahmedfozan123 Almost hr issue pe hi haqiqat k mitabk or durust jawabat diye hain Hasan ilays Sahib ne
Awesome Fozan,
Robustness is what comes to mind after viewing & learning from this finely conducted podcast.
Thanks for asking all critical questions, you got the skill of handling discussions maturely and steering in positive direction, no matter what.
I respect Mr Hasan. But in this podcast he showed several weaknesses in his understanding of
1. The Global Financial system
2. The nature of the Zionists.
3. His overall understanding of geo politics.
I am disappointed.
You summarized it very well..especially the part were he did “whataboutism” when he was questioned about the Israeli expansion viz a viz secular colonial project. He didn’t spoke a word against American/Israeli brutality instead, he audaciously proposed the ummah to stay subjugated. The idea of Ghamdism is a compromised position. The moment this secular/liberal hegemony will breathe its last breath,Ghamdism will sob in the corner.
Thanks for pointing and mentioning
💯! But people are just impressed by him just the way he talks.🤦🏽♂️
@@mshaz452 This litmus of “Akhlaaq” is going overboard now. Geerah (Vigilant care, Self-Honor and Self-Respect) should always have a precedence over etiquette and Mannerism. This is what the western slave masters do, they take away all our Honor and then expect mannerism from us. For instance they will cunningly force us to let our womenfolks take of their hijab and let them be shoulder to shoulder with other western women while expecting us to behave normal, appreciative, and feel proud of it.
Ahmed fozan should deserve more subscribers and followers. Bht mature questions kiye hen brother well done 🎉
Great Podcast. Host had very unique and very practical questions. Keep it up 👍
ایک طرف مغربی تہذیب اور اسکے غلبے کا اعتراف اور دوسری جانب اسکے حل کیلئے تزکیہ نفس کو ہی انسان کی زندگی کا مقصد بتانا۔۔۔
یہ تضاد ہے موصوف کی فکر میں
تزکیہ نفس کی ایسی کوششیں بہت سارے پلیٹ فارمز سے پہلے سے ہورہی ہیں اور وہ بار آور ثابت نہیں ہوئ۔
Never listened to ghamdi, but Hasan ilyas is a very intelligent & a logical man, every word he has he has a logic and Islam behind it. we might not agree with everything he says but more people need to listen to him to broaden there prospective of Islam, didnt really like how Ahmed fozan was unprepared for him and cut in the middle multiple times
relax guys jis state main inho ne panah li hui hai usey raazi bhi to rakhna hai na!
jo museebten pehle islam qubool krne pe aati thiin ab wo shariyat pr baat krne se aati hain
32:00 yaha par Hassan sahab ne jo baat kahi hai ke Sood , Zaroorat ke waqt qarz lene par Manfiyat ka mutalabla hai,, lekin Quran me jo Sood lene walo par Allah ne roka hai waha par karobari zaroorat ke waqt ka bhi zikar hai nake sirf zaroorat , aur us zameene me karoobari zaroorat ke tahet bhi soodi qarz liya jaata tha usko mana kiya gaya hai
great talk, interesting to hear from the other part of the aisle, upfront when he says ke bhai ye nizam hai kia 😅
28:00 rules and philosophy is what makes something different , so Islam asool for economy and business are defined, this makes it a different economy system, so here Hasan ilyas is also doing framing effect and also using a different meaning for a system its called Equivocation fallacy, where two different meanings of a word are miss used and he is also doing strawmaning fallacy by miss using the meaning of system.
when we say a system we mean in core it has different laws and those laws rules change the result,
a better way is to explain how it is different, it is different in rules,
" that you cannot create money from thin air and double the currency in economy by click of a button"
but Hasan ilyas present it as some kind of machine system we are talking about
its like saying we both have same car so we have same system
but one drives it fast and other slow which means they have different philosophy and in this context a system word is being used which is strawman by Mr illya and give it a meaning of having same engine
Kindly add timestamps, it'll be helpful (for those who wouldn't/can't watch the whole hour anyway).
سود کو سرے سے سود ہی تسلیم ہی نہی کرتے غامدی صاحب اسلئے ان سے بحث کا کیا فائدہ
Very thought provoking conversation
Launching of deobandi madkhali firqa
what
Mr. Hassan Ilyas two times failed to potrays Ghamidi Sahib real stance. I know he is still a student; I would recommend you listen/read Ghamidi sahib directly, his books and videos are on record.
FIRST:
Ghamidi Sahib stance on counter narrative on Ghalba e Deen is so strong, he has a debate with Dr Israr Ahmed directly, that was actually a turning point for me as well where I left Dr Israr Ahmed stance and started to look Ghamidi Sahib POV. Mr Hassan could not highlights the main point.
There is one more session with Saleem Safi of Ghamidi sahib on same topic, I have saved it and watched many times, his research was piece of art.
SECOND:
Second about Palestine, the issue of Palestine needs a lot of time to actually understand where Muslims did mistake and what we can do now as Muslim Ummah and as a nation. Ghamidi Sahib took more than 15 hours to discuss it you should watch it.
Ma'aSLAM!
That debate with dr israr ahmed is not completly or well represented the orthodoxy point of view.
Read the work of syed abu ala madoudi, then compare it with javed ahmed shb doctrine ,
you will find which doctrine is better or not.
@@Thyenigma what do you think? which is better?
@@AneesPGP i prefer orthodoxy , and syed abu al madoudi books are enough to understand islam with his true essense.
Ibn tymiah, shah wali ullah , shibli nomani , iqbal, molana farahi, molana imeen ahsan islahi , and at last syed abu al madoudi has the same understanding of islam with minor differences.
Though javed Ahmed gamadi and molana wahidudin khan are also derived from the same chain (get taught by molana farahi, ameen ahsan islahi and others ) but they go too too far .
It's difficult for me to do, so much compromise on islam as they did.
For me syed madoudi provides the best view. Not only his book but also his life and character is a role model for me. What a life he spent, in a satanic world!
There is sound problem in the last minute of the podcast as a viewer I am hearing echo in the voice of the host.. please correct it
حسن الیاس بہت عمدہ طریقے سے سوالوں کے جوابات دے رھے ہیں
@@janmengal6450 sirf Bakwas hi mari hy puri video me
nothing well here... he is just mixing thing with each other and just jumping around..
U know u have made it big when Yemeni sister starts to appear in your comment section 😂😂
Yes, she is the benchmark.
Waiting for a brother from yemen now 😂😂
watched him for the first time, but found it as absurd as i have heard
Haha same here
27:00 no one is saying to a fruit man to come and change the system he cannot change the system because he has no skills he has been asked to develop skill gain knowledge and become competent enough to understand the benefits of non interest based banking and how interest based banking damage the society and then educate other and build himself morally and spiritually to be able to play his role in changing the system, and to work under his capacity for the system, this could be simply educating family and preparing kids to have a aim to gain skills of Islamic economic system so his kids can play role on his behalf
Hasan ilyas is doing strawman fallacy and distorting the argument,
when we say that a fruit man need to work for establishing deen, it means he needs to transform himself to be able to do it ,but Hasan ilyas assume that he need to have a gun and change the system that is stawmaning
The reason fruit man matters is because its a revolution method and democracy which give power to every citizen to vote and thats why it matters to even have a fruit man educated enough to come out and become part of revolution
Fruit man don't have time to get all this knowledge, if he does, his kids will be on streets. Also not everyone has aptitude to become knowledgeable in complex matter. Even scholars have difference of opinion on Islamic banking how would you expect a common man to understand these details.
@minhajkhan7172 no one is saying to a fruit man to become a economist and earn degree, banking system and interest based economy can be understood with in a day or in few minutes if you are will to teach them in urdu and its their right and necessity to understand what is right and wrong and it is the core of democracy that your averge person is fully aware of the right and wrong but this is the job youth to educate about basic knowledge that how System of bankers effect him and his children
I can teach you with in few minutes how the banking operates and create loan from thin air by click of button and after covid the idea of fraction reserve was also removed so in USA the are giving loans more easily and frequently
The fruit man has power to protest and vote & that is why he matters in this modren world, the muslims desire to havr islamic system has evolved after defeats and have come to conclusion that you need massive public perssure and revolution based on number of people who are willing to come out and change the system and that can only happen if they are educated about faults of economic system
revolution is based on public massive number coming out for a change of System and that's why in the context of modern world the only viable solution is the revolution and for that fruit man has a significant role to play
So in order to train him and give him purpose he needs to understand that System is wrongful setup againt him and the reason he is poor is not having people on authority who are pure
@@minhajkhan7172 the necessary knowledge of how banks are wrong can be explained with in 1 hour in urdu to every human even the fruit man,
And this is only possible if you have invested your time in preparing to explain banking in simple and easy way
It takes effort to find a way and example to explain basic idea
I can do it because I have spend good amount of time to explain the concept to my own family in urdu who are not well educated
So , you can explain it if you put effort and once you find the way it can be explain to every othe person
@@minhajkhan7172at least now we know that all those who worship ghamdi like hassan jahil they all are fruit men.
Fozan bhia half podcast k bd Ap k mice k problem A rha ha. Ap ki Awaaz clear nain ha
democracy is not majoritarianism. However in practice, it is.
I am totally agree with hassan ilyas
Great podcast Fozan bhai. Hasan bhai ny bht acha explain kia. mgr please aik bar achi niyat k sath inhen qaisar ahmed raja ya sahil adeem k sath bethany ki mukhlis try kren please.
Hmari niyyat pe kya shak ha aapko!
@@ahmedfozan123 nhi sir mera ye mtlb tha k qaisar bhai bhi bht dheemy mizaj k he. agr hasan sb aur qaisar sb aik conversation me ho to 2 opposite points ki face to face conversation mein public ko bht kuch clear ho skta. apki niyat pe shq hta to apki podcast ka wait na hta🙏
Excellent
You should interview his son as well Jawad Ahmed Ghamidi
InshaAllah 😊
اچھا پروگرام ھے لیکن قدرے طویل ھے
Reconstruction of Religious Thought By Allama Iqbal ... Similar thoughts by Hassan Ilyas Sb
21:55 this point is good. i didn't expect that coming
😊
33:01 loan are given to state that causes major issue because they are never spent on productivity and make the whole nation poor and under debt, our state always on default and its the same situation like a person who is helpless
We can only burn our blood, ghamdi and his tape recorder have not studied even a single book on the subject.
Surah Asr, by the time everyone is in loss except those who believe did good deeds and said the right thing and have patience
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Great intellectual podcast
@@omerbayern thanks ✨
Podcast ka structure fozan bhai se seekhein ❤
45:56 Buhat alla baat zabardast
Worth watching, Ustad e Azam Of current era Javed Ahmed ghamidi ❤ and his son in law
*Hasan Ilyas* Nice Man 💗
Amazing podcast
Thanks for listening
❤
If someone lives in Pakistan, they pay taxes to the government. The government uses tax money to repay loans to other countries, which are based on interest. Don't you think all Pakistani citizens are indirectly connected to interest? I disagree with the idea that eating haram is acceptable for survival, but not for luxury or growth. I'd like to see intellectuals like Dr. Zakir, Qasir Ahmed Raja, Khalid Mehmood Abbasi, and Muhammad Ali Mirza debate and challenge this perspective.
Ghamidi is ❤
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27.10.2024
Extremely impressive 👏
حد ہے صاحب۔۔سیاست سے اگر مسائل حل ہوتے تو رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم سے بڑا تو سیاست دان کوئی نہیں تھا تو انہیں کیوں لڑائی کی ضرورت پیش آئی۔۔اور محترم اگر امتیوں کے لئے رسول اللہ سے بڑھ کر تو فکر مند نہیں ہو سکتا تو رسول اللہ نے کیسے 313 کو میدان میں اتار دیا۔۔کیا رسول ان 313 کے انجام سے واقف نہ تھے کہ اگر یہ لڑیں گے تو شہید بھی ہوں گے۔۔۔اور کیا رسول اللہ کو نہیں پتہ تھا کہ یہ تو نہتے ہیں ان سب کے پاس تو ہتھیار جس کو آپ طاقت کہہ رہے ہیں وہ بھی نہیں ہے۔۔؟
آپ یہ کیا انجام انجام سکھا رہے ہیں یہاں بیٹھ کے۔۔آپ کس لئے آئے ہیں دنیا میں۔۔؟؟
مجھے نہیں لگتا ان محترم کو دنیا میں آنے کا مقصد بھی پتہ ہو۔۔کیونکہ جس کو معلوم ہو وہ ایسی احمقانہ باتیں تو نہیں کرتا۔۔۔
مجھے افسوس ہے ان محترم نے اس حقیقی زندگی کے بدلے اس عارضی زندگی اور illusion کو قبول کیا۔۔۔جو کہ محض دھوکے کے سوا کچھ نہیں۔۔اور اسی دھوکے میں آ کر محترم انجام سے ڈرتے ہیں۔۔۔
bilkul
آپ صل اللہ علیہ والہ وسلم اور ان کے ساتھیوں کو منکرین پر عذاب الہی کے نفاذ کیلئے لڑ نا پڑا۔
@@minhajkhan7172absolutely wrong
MashaAllah America sy tashreef Laya Hai Islam py baat krny ka liya
He is the one who did podcast with Dr taimur sahab and they both agreed that islam has no political or economic system..
And when invited by qaiser ahmed raja to prove his statements, he ran away 🙂
Why inviting such people?
Maktaba ghamdi is like shajara khabissa , batil they can not face questions they will run if challenged with knowledge.... Just ask Hassan jahil....or ghamdi jahilll how many books they studied to understand the current economy system and they both have not studied a single book on the subject.....tape recorder of ghamdi should answer by telling us the names of books that they studied to understand todays money system....and if the can not answer they should study sheikh Imran Hussain
@Osaid_Balagam,
No, let's not lie-Ustadh and Revivalist Qaiser Ahmad Raja sahab (حفظه الله تعالى) has called out his cowardice as well as challenged Dr. Taimur Rehman (A.K.A. Laal) for over 360 times now to a debate just to see the latter citing lame excuses.
Moreover, Dr. Taimur is an outspoken Marxist-cum-Communist, does not hold a stake to Islam's Politico-economic system. It's well-understood as to why he collaborates with Javid Ahmad Ghamdi sahab technically. Subsequently and consequently, what differentiates between a Secular and a Javid Ghamdi fanboy? It's imperative that Javid Ahmad Ghamdi sahab's appetite for unorthodoxy is insatiable. None among the Jumhoor ulema kiram supports Javid sahab's narrative.
As Dr. Aadil Ashraf sahab assesses in his essay,
Maulana Maududi had rightly pointed out that a person who believes in Marx's "historical materialism" can't be a believer in Islam! Because the Marxist interpretation of history and society entails that the beliefs, laws, customs, culture, morality, political setup etc are all not derived from any divine and objective principles but from the material and economic conditions of a particular period and all of them, without any exceptions, are bound to change as the "economic base" of a society changes”.
Communism and Marxism Farosh, Laal has applies the same false dogma as Javid Ghamdi sahab as to to arrive at the conclusion he has put forth regarding Purdah. The real problem is not him running his mouth but of some of the believing muslims praising and cherishing him! For them a quote that Imam Ghazali has mentioned in his Ahya Al Uloom should suffice :-
"مَنْ وَقَّرَ صَاحِبَ بِدْعَةٍ، فَقَدْ أَعَانَ عَلَى هَدْمِ الْإِسْلَامِ "
"Whosoever respects a heretic has helped in the destruction of Islam"
Wasalam!
@@electronicsurdupakistan9181
Aey logon jo imaan laye ho, na mard dusre mardon ka mazaak udayein, ho sakta hai ke woh unse behtar hon, aur na auratein dusri auraton ka mazaak udayein, ho sakta hai ke woh unse behtar hon. Aapas mein ek dusre par taan na karo, aur na ek dusre ko burey alaqab (titles) se yaad karo. Imaan lane ke baad fisq mein naam paida karna bahut buri baat hai. Jo log is rawish se baaz na aayein wahi zalim hain (Al-Hujurat 11)
@@ux_air first i need to know is maktaba ghamdi from Muslims...i say no they belong to west and these ayat does not apply to them.these ayat had context speaking to people of that time .....why no syaq and sbaq and context and mukhatib about these ayat..for khilafah ghamdi will run naked to show that khalifa is nit applicable today.....why nit these ayat. I can point kufr in every statement of ghamdi.
@@muhammadfarhanalam9751 Good Luck Proving this on the day of Judgement in front of Allah S.W.T
Ghamdi sahab ko khud interviews deny chahiye
Hasan sahb ki kafi points pr la ilmi hai filhal..
I hope in future points ko depth mein study krein gain.
Hassan bhai brilliant as always.....the best against the absurd ideas that have generated since a long time!
I am totally disagree with the Hassan Illyaas
@8:25 Phir hamaray Nabi (S.A.W) nay koi masjid, “church” kay naam say kyun nhi banaee?
محترم نے صرف بزنس مین طبقے کو سامنے رکھتے ہوئے موجودہ بینکاری اور سودی نظام کو حلال قرار دے دیا ہے۔۔۔۔صرف اس لئے کہ کاروباری شخص اپنی بنیادی ضرورتوں کے لئے قرضہ نہیں لے رہا وہ شخص کاروبار کے لئے قرضہ لے رہا ہے اور اس صورت میں اضافی معاوضہ(سود) دیتا ہے۔۔جو کہ ماڈرن دنیا میں بزنس کہلاتا ہے۔۔
لیکن محترم ان عام اور غریب لوگوں کے لئے آپ کیا دلیل دیں گے جن کو صرف بینک سے ہی قرضہ کی امید ہوتی ہے اور ان کی بنیادی ضرورتوں کو جانتے ہوئے بھی بینک ان پہ وہی شرع سود لگاتا ہے جو کہ ایک کاروباری شخص کے لئے لگاتا ہے اور یہ عام اور غریب لوگ اپنی ضرورتوں کی خاطر اس سودی نظام میں پس جاتے ہیں۔۔آپ ان عام اور غریب لوگوں کے حق کے لئے کیسے چپ رہ سکتے ہیں اور کیسے ان غریب لوگوں کے لئے آج کے اس سودی نظام کو حلال قرار دے سکتے ہیں۔۔کم از کم غلط کو غلط کہنا تو سیکھ لیں۔آپ بجائے اسکے اس غلط کے سہی ہونے کی دلیلیں دے رہے ہیں۔۔۔
Hasan Ilyas, with due respect, you've been disappointing!
@6:07 is tarah tau Phir shaitan say bhi seekhnay ko bohat kuch mil jata hai… tau kia hum us ko bhi appreciate kia karain????
ExMuslimSahil is also follower of ghamdi shaeb
سب سے پہلے سود کی تعریف سمجھ لینی چاہئے۔قران میں سود سے متعلق جتنے بھی آحکامات ہیں وہ سود لینے سے متعلق ہیں سود دینے سے متعلق نہیں آخر اللہ تعالٰی نے یہ حکم کیوں نہیں دیا۔
Hassan bhai jitni zameen k ooper h us sy 2 Gunawan zameen sy neechy h
@@usamasaifrana1839 true
35:41 quran ny hazrat daud a.s aur hazrat musa a.s k liay khuda ny konsa practical solution dia tha,
ILYAS BHI PAKISTAN MEN HEN ABI KINDLY TELL ME I WANT PODCAST WITH HIM
Excellent
Thanks
Wa aa-iddu lahum mastatatum
Just ask Hassan jahil....or ghamdi jahilll how many books they studied to understand the current economy system and they both have not studied a single book on the subject.....tape recorder of ghamdi should answer by telling us the names of books that they studied to understand todays money system....and if the can not answer they should study sheikh Imran Hussain
@6:28 is khankah ka qayam he actually aik “RED FLAG” hai 😱
I think religious people should not be commenting on political issues.. they don't have aptitude and knowledge of understandingbof political issues. Whole of Arabs and Palestinian Authority have already offered two state solution... It is Israel who defeated this solution... I think He has defeatist attitude... There is contradiction in his belief...
Mashallah keep it up Hasan bhai
This is a secular talk but the label is islam. I mean how a person referring to his Turaaaaas and still talking specularity.....😢
Khalid mehmood abbasi when.??????????????
Tomorrow InshaAllah
@@ahmedfozan123❤
Secular Detected Opinion Rejected.
still you bothered to comment
@@BilluDon420 another Secular?
@@BilluDon420 are you gonna kill me for commenting, Ahh seculars
28:22 Kya hota hai bhai .....?
34:44 ........
Apka ilm level samajh aa gaya
Logical guftgu
Tasawwuf is good but got maligned misinformed and misunderstood unfortunately
Hasan Elias should study Economics before commenting on functioning of bank. Repeat after me... banks are based on Interest...
Damad ho to aisa ho
What about 313 vs 1000 .. According to u ,then muslim should not fight jang bader..
fozan sahb description mei apne javed ahmad GHANDHI likha hai
یہ غامدی صاحب کے داماد اور فکری شاگرد ہیں
@@mohammadfayazahmed jo bhi unhe sunta hai fan ho jata hai
"ahhhaha humne darasal yahi rehna hai nah" got me 😂
@@mohammedhasan5818 😋
Fouzan bhai pehly abbasi sb ka interview krna tha .phir is ka krty to zaida behter tha
Hasan Alyas❤❤
ذرا خالد جامعی کے ساتھ ایک دفعہ بیٹھ جائیں تو لگ پتہ جائے گا
Aoa
Perfect
You wasted time with Ghamidi boy, they believe that msulims in west are not required to offer juma...Riba giving not a sin but riba taking is sin //lol lol
Yah to mujhe Meetha Zeher lagta hai
sirf 4k content dale
@@neem-shab-sultanat isme issue tha koi? 4K he ha!
@@ahmedfozan123 sir Filhal 1080 tak Deekha raha hay TH-cam. 4k quality tv per achi lagti hay
43:41 falastine ny 70 saal aman k rasta adopt kia lekin tang aa kr jihad k ilan kia , ilyaes aur mirza engineer jaisy aik yahya sinwar k pairon ki khaak k barbar nahi, lanat ho py , Allah will not forgive you for hurting Palestinian cuause
Fozan bhai lag gaya pta phir Ghamidism ka? 😂 yeh log haanqaahen bnane se zyada kuch nai krenge
2nd hand qadiyani type molvis
this man is either delusional or trying to be over clever.....zehni budhazmi ke aala misaal
mtlb kamal hai ...sood kaheen hai nahi....america main islam pr amal krna utna he mumkin hai jitna yahan....palestine siyasi masla hai.....mtlb maatam un ke aqal pr jo iss k peechay chal rahay hain
37:40 In-shaa-ALLAH ilyas zalil hoga
Ya Qadyano Ki trah name wahi use krty Hai aur kuch aur paraty Hai Bhai Apni shahaas Bani
41:34 doha agreement iski dukhti rag hai 😂
@@TaiyabAnisAzimushshan kski?
@ahmedfozan123 ilyas ki
For each person who would distract from true path and would get misconceptions after listening this simp bigot , you would get his/ her sin on yourself because you knew him fozan. Shame on you. After this , how can you say you are on the side of Islam. If you want to continue these things in future, then regard yourself as neutral or liberal. Just criticizing sahil adeem won't make you perfect
You people Can't even take a different opinion
@@revolutionaryplans3369 What? What’s your point? Absolutely mindless
average Sahil Adeem follower
@@ahmedfozan123 I'm just asking you a simple question that jitne bhi log is ki batein sun kar confuse hoon ge , un ki confusion Kon door kre ga??? Allama fozan kare ge??
@@revolutionaryplans3369 poori series shuru ke ha or b scholars aa rahey hen! You’re not asking a question..you’re giving a verdict! And mind your language!