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I knew a guy once that had a complete system from Walmart. Pioneer subs, amps, head unit and mids and highs. He actually surprised me at how hard it hit. He had 2 big Pioneer amps on 4 12's and was nothing to be ashamed of. You could hear him rolling down the block very well. Sounded like he had a good quality set of 15's and a good amplifier. He bought it all on a Walmart credit card lol
sometimes, design and quality of installation is more important than quality of gear. I believe a quality system can be built with all Pioneer gear for half the price of JL or Rockford...or any of these other Chinese made brands....I have no problem with Chinese made equipment, but not if it costs as much as European or American made equipment, considering it costs FAR less to manufacture by Chinese slave labor.
I run two pioneer class D mono amps at 2ohms and 800w RMS each feeding four pioneer champion series TS-W311S4 12's in sealed boxes made to the exact internal volume for my sub's and 100% airtight, my system punches pretty hard. I have a class D handling my MIDs and highs producing 500w RMS but I'm really not a fan of the sound quality from a class D on the MIDs and highs, they are great for sub's though.
@@stevefox3763 yeah definitely go a/b for mids and highs. im only pushing around 600-700wrms @ 1ohm (xda91rb) on 2 tw-261d4's and it sounds good, my box is just a bit too small and tuned too high.
@@raymo6795 I have obs Chevy which I still owned but when I was 18 It had my dad kickers 2 8inch cvr model with the flames on it they had there own sealed box with silver xplod Sony amp it hit hard haha I was 18 years old took it to shop to get amp wire run and the guy who did the install was with big smile because he never seen 2 8 inches subs hit that hard. Sadly to San Francisco assholes they open the truck one time my brother took it to work just to find the subs gone 😢 but now the truck has two sound streams vangogh 10s with 1200rms skar amp which was big upgrade
It's all hooking it up correctly...any sub in the right box is going to kill it. I remember back when we use to get the free crutchfield magazines and dream. Pioneer, Polk and JVC JBL good times
I haven’t use there car audio stuff but my cousin husband had four pioneer champion series in his truck and they did pretty good. But I do have there pioneer home receiver which I like how it sounds and I like a feature that I can give subs similar to bass boost which I like to turn it on when I play Van Halen or toto 😅. And pioneers home receivers are also cheap and offer lastest tech and is part of the onkyo and integra family
Pioneer products are legit good to buy. Been around umpteenth years. I always wondered why they had changed their logo. The old pioneer logo was eye catching, especially on the dust caps of the IMPP subs which banged like thunder in the right box.
Yep, I had a pair of 10", then a pair of 12" IMPPs back in the mid-90s. Those little 10s hit low and hard. I had them in a huge sealed box, maybe around 2 cubic feet per sub. I really kinda liked the 10s better than the 12s!
Always have been a fan of Pioneer. They may not be the absolute best that money can buy but they've been consistently good and affordable. Also, I think they make some very solid head units.
To me pioneer, kenwood and sony dont have the same sound quality as Alpine, not do they sound as good as their older head units from the mid to late 90s (especially Pioneer and Sony). Replaced an old entry level Alpine bluetooth radio from 2012 and some old entry level kicker 6.5 inch coaxes from that same era with a brand new pioneer radio and speakers because the bluetooth was quirky, and the pioneer just didnt have the same sound quality or power, and the menu was very cumbersome to operate compared to the Alpine. Not a bad unit but I ended up putting the Alpine back in and repaired the surrounds on the kickers because they sounded 10x better. Pioneer radios just don't sound the same as they did back in the mid to late 90s to me. Not that they're bad, just not as good as Alpine. Same with Sony. Their older radios before the Xplod series came out used to sound great, especially the mobile ES series. Bought a Sony floating screen for my older Land Rover and again, just couldn't match the old Alpine in sound quality or power. Not bad units, just nowhere near the sound of an Alpine unit.
Pioneer set the spl world record back in 07-08 which they can do at any time they please. They’re also a leader in high end sound quality equipment if you have the bank. Check out their PRS line.
Back around 1989 one of my first car audio systems was a small Pioneer 2 channel amp running 4 Pioneer 6×9s and it was a real screamer. I had all 4 speakers facing up behind the seat of my S-10 pickup. I played a lot of GnR, AC/DC and Van Halen through that system and it sounded really good to me :)
These days noone would dream of using 6x9s for bass but the reality is they have essentially the same cone area as an 8 and when properly enclosed/baffled you can get solid sound well below 40hz. This was adequate for most music produced before the mid 90s and I feel privileged to have experienced this firsthand
1989, what a great year that was. I had a pioneer component system with big black din plugs that connect the components together in my car in 89. Sound was awesome and loud but the speakers had bugger all bass coming from them. Turns out for the whole time i had the component system in the car, the speakers were not wired right (they were out of phase) and thats what was causing the lack of bass. Later in the 90's i added a Pioneer GM203 amp to my car stereo and still have it to this day.
Big D - THANKS for testing a good quality budget amp! Even through TH-cam, that little amp sounded great on the music tests. It might be time to re-test some of the newer 4-channel or 5-channel models as some of the ones you tested years ago have had minor model revisions. Another interesting comparison would be a similar wattage Class D vs Class AB - is the sound noticeably different?
I've always seen these amps and wondered what they can do but with this Insight man I might grab one for by mids and highs. I was always scared they might be junk but man saving money really helps out. thanks big D
This was my first amp ever, it's been through four different cars in basically every ohm load and frequency cut off you can think of, even had it bridged at 2ohms for a sec with no problem, definitely a solid little amp
I have this amp on a 10” Kicker Comp in a sealed box in my 2020 Fusion with stock stereo running some Skar 6.5s in the doors. I’m happy with the overall sound of the system.
Pioneer used to make some fantastic car audio equipment. The old IMPP subs come to mind. Back when they used the Omega symbol as their logo. I had 4x 10's in my 1992 Camaro with a US Amps powering them. They provided some serious knock.
I had 2 IMPP 12's. They sounded good and hit hard, especially for lower power setup. Myself and others did have problems with the cones cracking. For a while, I was the go-to guy (in high school) for repairing these.
I have the one above that one that has 1000 watts all over it in my wife's truck and it seems pretty solid for the price, it's running a pair of 12's and sounds good. Pioneer has always been good and reliable in my experience.
Now you're talking my language Big D Pioneer. The same head unit that I used to purchase all the time when I was installing car stereo for myself and Friends. I still have my original pioneer SX-1080 receiver that was purchased in the 1970s brand spanking new. 120 watts per Channel RMS still working to this day with no trouble at all. When you said, let's see how it sounds and you said that it sounds good you made my night.
Not much to think about when you're only spending $70 on your amplifier. Worst case scenario you can always return it for a refund or Exchange. What are you worried about? it's not a $7,000 amplifier or $700 amplifier. It's the cheapest Pioneer on the market how can you go wrong?
I’ve owned the larger 2 channel version of this one. It was sparse inside as far as guts go , but I was very surprised at how well it performed and how badly it could take abuse. It got hot enough to literally smell all the way up front in my caravan. But it never quit working , and is still alive with a buddy of mine now. 10/10 would use again if one fell in my lap
Picked up a 1000W 4 Chanel amp last year and it honestly is an amazing amp, got it on clearance for $50 and it really bumps the little 6.5s in our Chevy Tracker 🤣, love that little amp
Loved the old GM-H line. I had the GM-H100 and H50 back in the day. They bumped...then I went RF Punch....and learned what real headroom meant. Cheers!!!
I just picked up the GM-A5702 150 watts RMS x 2 version of this amp to drive my front stage . Haven't heard it yet but I'm very encouraged that you made such a big deal about the sound quality of this line. Class a-b goodness.
Pioneer has always been a pretty solid brand. Good to see they still apparently are, even with the budget stuff. I don't know why I was never a Pioneer fan "back in the day." And I could not tell you why. I think part of it was generally they competed with what I guess in my mind was typically better brands at the same price points. I had friends that would have some Pioneer stuff sometimes and I don't really ever remember it being junk or not even work good.
Pioneer old amps what do not use Mosfet . Special the Pioneer what only use Mosfet power unit . Those pioneers its not that great in that time The Kenwood and Sony amps in that time had more power output .
I used a Pioneer amp on my subs over 20 years ago and it was not a lot of power but it sounded great and was reliable. It did run pretty warm, it was similar to the Alpine amps at the time in that regard. I had an Alpine 3527 on a set of MB Quarts and then a Pioneer amp on my subs that I can't recall the part number.
I bought a big Pioneer 800 watt amp from the Walmart car stereo section back in the mid 2000s. I was driving two Audiobahn 10s at 4 ohms a piece. It was not ideal. I gave it to a buddy of mine.
Yes the garbage sound you were getting believe it or not was coming from those woofers I had a friend of mine that decided to do a show car and he built the entire system with that brand for the speakers and my God it sounded like garbage looked really nice all the baskets were chromed and the way he had it hooked up looked really nice the system in my car sounded 10 times better at a fraction of the price Audiobahn real crap
Wow did this bring back memories. I recall running an Alpine MRV-F407 for fronts/rears and MRV-1000 to a single Alpine 15" sub. The MRV-1000 ran super damn hot, I had to wire 4 (!) computer fans to it to help airflow. Eventually I ran a DEX-P1 with a PG ZX450 for fronts/rears and PG ZX500 to four 12s fibreglassed in the trunk of my Accord. At that time, my friends and some family were running the Pioneer silver amplifiers (I don't remember the model numbers but this was waaaay before they changed their logo from the tuning fork to the current one.) Those Pioneer silver amps were higher end ones and a lot of people used them in competitions back then.
Pioneer has always made good gear. I think they don't get enough respect in the audio community because they sell a lot of gear at mass market places like Walmart and Best Buy and because a lot of their car audio gear has "max" numbers plastered all over them.
well if ya know MAX then ya know they measuring BOTH sine waves unlike RMS that uses a single side wave. BUT I really THOUGHT that bugger would have put out OVER 250 watts.... but it did not. Hmmmmmmmm So yes. BDBD/2022
@@Mr.Robert1 The RMS numbers are there in smaller writing but max numbers are what consumers will see first and most often. I have always felt that is somewhat deceptive.
Iv always been a fan of pioneer car audio stuff. I just got a 2024 Subaru Crosstrek and am working on putting speakers, a 10 inch subwoofer, and possibly this amplifier inside I am just doing research on it first.
Thanks alot for the video. Sounds like Pioneer is still making some pretty decent stuff for the price, and hasn't faltered like some of the other brands. They've always been noted for their car stereos.
I’m running that pioneer 500watt a3702 2 channel amp for my mids and highs for 5 JL audio speakers. And it kicks ass. I absolutely love it. In the future I do plan on changing it out for an amp with more settings. But it’s very simple to use and set up, which is really nice. And it makes good power for the speakers I have it running. Sound quality isn’t sacrificed either.
Pioneer has always been a good bet for SQ. I think as company they never really tried to cater to bass heads. More for people that want a full sounding system. I'd love to run that amp to push 4 6x9's in 2 ohm stereo.
got this Amp and a "10 infinity sub for my pops sprinter van sounds amazing we bump from atl to FL and did got a little on the warmer side but no biggie, personally I think if it had 12ga instead of 16 could resolve the temps.
Have a local kid who runs 2 of these Walmart amps. 1 for vocals 1 for his woofer Thumps his kenwood 12 pretty good I built him a basic aero ported box at 1.6net and a 6” aero tuned at 38hz He listens to a lot of rock n stuff. And yes he has a external aero port as well He doesn’t mind the look of it
I had one of the first cd players from Pionner in my truck. No tuner just a cd player. It had its brain and electronics in a separate housing that kinda resembled a amp . I used a Concord cassette player in junction with it . I still have the pictures of the install
i have one of these, it does just fine powering a sub in bridged mode in my sisters rig. she doesn't need ridiculous power, and i didn't see the need to spend ridiculous money to keep her happy. it does its job nicely, when paired to a decent sub/box.
Back in the 90s my dad had a midlife crisis or something. He put the cerwin vega speakers from the house in the K5 Blazer with a big 400 watt pioneer Amp. It was Loud.
Alway was a PIONEER audio fan since the late 90’s ! They had one of the best head units with a powered tape ejection, and also had one of the best and affordable 61/2 mid bass speakers ! My 95 Ford escort GT had all PIONEER including 2- 10” PIONEER subs in Bazooka tubes! 🤣😂
I needed 2 additional channels to expand to a 3 way set up and bought this amp to power a pair of 1 inch tweeters. Turned out great and saved me from having to get a 6 channel amp.
I remember the ts series 6x9s back in the 80s. I had 2 pair of the ts-6906's with 90 watts a per speaker with a fas eq and they played super clean and loud.
I've had several pioneer amps and all of them put out plenty of power for what I was running. One in particular was the gm-dx975 and that thing was a beast.
Thanks for your informative videos and content. I’m always enjoying the humor, deep details, and down to business attitude you give. G-Bless. I wanted to present an offer up of some of/ maybe all, vintage Car Audio mags I got on shelf. It appears you already have a great catalog, but I hold mostly mid 90’s to early 2000’s editions…the only couple I may want to keep are those with my letters & response published. I was a kid and heavily into all things audio- call me a true audiophile- and at around 14yr old, they published my letters - cheers, thanks
I was among the first American Autosound installers to install a Pioneer CDX-P1. Art Rubenstein was the Pioneer rep here in Hawaii in 1984 when these appeared. I at this stage had a Pioneer PORTABLE CD player plugged into the AUX input of my CONCORD Deck. I was the CONCORD guy..... WELL Art got 2 complete units from Japan, just in case one did not work there would be PARTS..... these were still prototypes but badged for US sale. Long story short, I installed the THING into a Mercedes 2 door convertible... Its TIGHT but I managed to make space for the ATTACHED BOX and cables... Ugggggg. IT WORKED!!!!. Art was pleased and so much so he gave ME that other example, said put it in YOUR car.... So I did. Sadly it was a skipperoo...... bad. HIGH VOLUMES in my car would make it SKIP bad. Well I tried many different mounting scenarios but eventually my PORTABLE found its way back into my car, LOL..... They got better over time. At this point, about 1984, 8 tracks were selling better than Cassettes. THEN LIKE MAGIC.... 8 tracks started disappearing.... Cassettes overtook them, and CD PLAYER!!!!! for a car!!!!. In like a year's time.... 8 tracks were relegated to the scrap heaps. Late 1985... PIONEER HISTORY. I own a Pioneer amp today in my beater car stereo.... SOLID. Cant go wrong with Pioneer products... STILL!..........BDBD/2022
I've had this exact amp in my Expedition with the Pioneer low profile 8 inch replacing the stock sub components (running bridged with the dual coil in series for 4 ohms). Definite upgrade from stock and no complaints. Techmaster PEB hits plenty hard. Installed March of 2018. Zero issues in 4 years.
Don’t know much about these modern pioneer amps.. but back in the day them, jbl, Sony we’re the first Korean built amps. They never went for the kind of power that modern Korean amps or knocks offs go for but they have always been solid for the price
I have a gm a5702("1000w") on 2 crunch 6x9s & skar 6.5 loudspeakers. I had the gain too high so it Blew out my 1st set of 6x9s But once I Replaced em & Drop the gain, it's Been workin great for 5 str8 yrs.
Hey big D you should check out this new home audio mini sub amp from fosi audio, I know you reviewed the last model but they came out with a new one that can deliver more power apparently. 220 watts@4Ohms with a max of 300 watts its 79.99$ on their website, For some reason they don't have it listed on amazon anymore, But its the Fosi Audio M01-BT. 😄😄
Heck yeah! I've always wanted you to do a video on these lowest level Pioneer 2 Channel amps. My first ever amp was the A3502 and I have an A3602 on home audio sub duty. Always wondered the actual power!
Love the sound quality of ab amps. They just seem punchier. Got 2 of these in my budget truck. 1 drives 4 door speakers at a 2ohm load, the other is bridged into a 10 inch 4 ohm sub. Sounds great for the money, and man that sub hits hard. I have tried other cheap mono amps, and none of them play a sub as good as these.
My first amps were Pioneer GM-H100 and GM-H50. They were affordable and reliable. I owned 10 inch Pioneer subs, 4x6 plates, EQ, Premier head unit (P990), and the Premier changer. I feel like for the average guy, Pioneer is a great upgrade, solid build and good value. They just don't get you the wow factor like other brands.
Great video! I’ve always been a fan of Pioneer. I picked up the big brother version that was refurbed off eBay a year or so ago for about $65. It’s the gma5702. I must say, it is a great amp too. I love how it sounds and the power it puts out. Now, they go for around $90 refurbed but still a great buy in my humble opinion. I was running a pair of Mission Bookshelf speakers full range and those little guys thumped!! I wish I picked up three of the amps cause two on subs and one on mids and highs would of been a killer budget setup. Again, thanks for sharing and great vid Big D!
Had and still have the gm-a5702, used it for years till it was replaced by xda91rb to get 1ohm. Got it off ebay from vipoutlet refurbished for 40$. Really can't handle the 2 subs I have without overheating. Sounded good and clear tho and had some thump. Always liked pioneer gear. Thx for another awesome dyno big d!
Way back when dinosaurs roamed , I had a Pioneer amp , no rca inputs , no remote turn on , just a harness with power and ground , and , speaker wires in and out . It was a basic black metal box , with a singal switch for on and off . I wish I still had it , cannot remember what I did with it . It was straight outta the mid 1970s .
Hey BigD. Would love to see you test out one of Pioneers old head units from the 90s/00s They produced some that allowed the rear channels to be bridged and had hpf/lpf for the front and rear channels. Be interesting to see what the actual power output was 😎 Keep up the great videos, from the UK
You rock Big D! Hey you ever seen an Orion HCCA150R? As far as I can tell they are, or have become pretty rare. Never seen another one and never seen any listed for sale. I got this amp and an HCCA 2100 out of an Astro Van that I bought as beater work van for a large development we were building houses on. I bought the van off a lot for $400.00 because it was not road worthy intending for it to spend it's last days on this property. In the back of the van was a boxy MDF panel attached to the driver's side wall that was taking up a bit of space that I wanted to rip out. I saw some cable ends dangling down just barely below the edge of the panel like someone had cut the cable as close to the panel as possible. You could only see them if you crouched down low. I reached up behind and felt amp fins. I unscrewed the panel and there were 2 absolutely mint Orion amps from the 90's mounted to the back of the panel. I had both amps tested and they both work. I could not believe my luck.
Well, We've all been had for decades. Decades y'all. The 500W isn't the output power, it's the max input power that it can consume before it smokes. I bet they replace the fuse with a metal jumper and run it @.25 ohms and if it smokes @43 amps it's a 500w amplifier. We been flim flammed.
My first monoblock amp was a Hifonics HFi 1000.1D. It did pretty well for what it was. It never ever got warm, and I had it connected with 8 gauge ofc power & ground, it only has a 80a fuse, I dont think it even needed 4 gauge. I ended up upgrading from that to a DC Audio 1.2K and 1/0 gauge ofc Sky High Wire and an XS Power battery in the trunk. I barelyyy even heard a difference from the Hifonics amp, (connected to the same sub/in same box) so Im not even sure how but I guess the DC amp wasnt that much more power to begin with.
pioneer is a really good brand around here in Brazil, but they usually are more expensive then our house brands like taramps, soundigital, banda, stetsom, but they are really know for they sound quality! perfect for some sq or sq with some bass for the bassheads day to day build!!!
I have 3 pioneer D class amps, my two mono amps are great but the 4ch sounds harsh as hell and I have wanted to go back to A/B for my MIDs and highs but Dont think my cars electrical system could cope with an A/B producing the same RMS output as the class D, I'm already killing alternators in fairly short order with my current setup.
Every single system that I put in my various cars throughout the years was always two amplifiers. A good quality 4 channel name brand amplifier driving the mids in the highs and a Class D monoblock driving either a single woofer or two woofers. Depending on what system I was building and what car I was putting it in. I'm going to tell you, I never upgraded my electrical system ever. Always had the stock battery, always had the stock alternator. Never bought a capacitor, a lithium battery or an upgraded alternator ever.
That is the most rise I’ve ever seen. Normal rise is double at tuning frequency. Is that box sealed? What was that wired too? I know a million questions. I use that meter to measure rise all the time. That’s the highest I ever seen consistently. You’d need a 2000 watt amp to get 250 watts to that 6.5. I was getting down considering it never saw over 30 watts. Great video as always.
never dismiss the pioneer amps. they have always been an under the radar type of amp, but I have seen and heard may a great system since the mid 90s powered by pioneer.
Big D I am glad you said that numbers don’t show the quality of sound. And yes we want what we paid for so the numbers are important. But for people like me who are into car audio don’t always understand what’s under the hood. So maybe if you could make video or explain why a amp will SOUND good instead of just putting out the numbers. For example I have lower name brand amp NVX that has not failed me but when playing wide open at times I can’t help but notice that maybe it’s just not playing at clear. So I went ahead a purchased a Kicker cxa 1200.1 for an upgrade in quality. If you explain to us maybe why some amps sound so good compared to others. Great example would be today’s video. Pioneer has a great reputation and even thier low tier amps SOUND great.. why so?
Goes to show, the class A\B are still the best sounding. I recently "upgraded" my old 90's class A/B amps to a single 5 channel class D with tons of power. Yep, never runs out of power now, but sounds like dog $hit. The bass is way different and drops off all over the place. The mids and highs (2 sets in the car) respond ok until pushed. Then, you notice the digital roll offs and weird noises coming from the tweeters. I'm sorry. Class D just ain't there yet. I'm going back to class A/B for the quality of sound.
A/B is made for sound. Digital is made for base only normally monoblock. I've never built a system with a one amplifier driving the entire system. Always did two amplifiers even if they were small amplifiers. Didn't matter I would always use a four Channel good quality name brand A/B class for the highs and mids. My second amplifier would be a Class D running mono to drive the sub or Subs.
Us older guys are always amazed at how the younger guys don't know how innovative some of these old school brands are/were in high end audio both home and auto. Pioneer, Sony, Kenwood, JBL, Clarion, Soundstream, Phoenix gold, MTX, Kicker were the top brands in the 80's/90's in car audio. Pioneer, Sony, Kenwood were big buck brands in home audio back in the day, and JBL/Infinity still kills in high-end home audio market, with no attention to Thor high level car audio drivers...quite a shame a lot of good stuff going overlooked.
Thanks big d we don't have a great choice here in Australia and this amp is 169$ at my local shops I only stick to second hand gear but always wondered how much RMS these put out thanks for sharing
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I knew a guy once that had a complete system from Walmart. Pioneer subs, amps, head unit and mids and highs. He actually surprised me at how hard it hit. He had 2 big Pioneer amps on 4 12's and was nothing to be ashamed of. You could hear him rolling down the block very well. Sounded like he had a good quality set of 15's and a good amplifier. He bought it all on a Walmart credit card lol
sometimes, design and quality of installation is more important than quality of gear. I believe a quality system can be built with all Pioneer gear for half the price of JL or Rockford...or any of these other Chinese made brands....I have no problem with Chinese made equipment, but not if it costs as much as European or American made equipment, considering it costs FAR less to manufacture by Chinese slave labor.
I run two pioneer class D mono amps at 2ohms and 800w RMS each feeding four pioneer champion series TS-W311S4 12's in sealed boxes made to the exact internal volume for my sub's and 100% airtight, my system punches pretty hard.
I have a class D handling my MIDs and highs producing 500w RMS but I'm really not a fan of the sound quality from a class D on the MIDs and highs, they are great for sub's though.
@@stevefox3763 yeah definitely go a/b for mids and highs. im only pushing around 600-700wrms @ 1ohm (xda91rb) on 2 tw-261d4's and it sounds good, my box is just a bit too small and tuned too high.
@@raymo6795 I have obs Chevy which I still owned but when I was 18 It had my dad kickers 2 8inch cvr model with the flames on it they had there own sealed box with silver xplod Sony amp it hit hard haha I was 18 years old took it to shop to get amp wire run and the guy who did the install was with big smile because he never seen 2 8 inches subs hit that hard. Sadly to San Francisco assholes they open the truck one time my brother took it to work just to find the subs gone 😢 but now the truck has two sound streams vangogh 10s with 1200rms skar amp which was big upgrade
It's all hooking it up correctly...any sub in the right box is going to kill it. I remember back when we use to get the free crutchfield magazines and dream. Pioneer, Polk and JVC JBL good times
Pioneer is always solid in my experience and a lot of folks sleeping on them! Great video as always
Thanks dawg!
Oh God the Pioneer championship series amps are some of my favorites
I haven’t use there car audio stuff but my cousin husband had four pioneer champion series in his truck and they did pretty good. But I do have there pioneer home receiver which I like how it sounds and I like a feature that I can give subs similar to bass boost which I like to turn it on when I play Van Halen or toto 😅. And pioneers home receivers are also cheap and offer lastest tech and is part of the onkyo and integra family
@P C Also some of the most expensive stuff are made in China.
@P C I had subwoofers in mind, like Sundown audio for example.
Pioneer products are legit good to buy. Been around umpteenth years. I always wondered why they had changed their logo. The old pioneer logo was eye catching, especially on the dust caps of the IMPP subs which banged like thunder in the right box.
Yep, I had a pair of 10", then a pair of 12" IMPPs back in the mid-90s. Those little 10s hit low and hard. I had them in a huge sealed box, maybe around 2 cubic feet per sub. I really kinda liked the 10s better than the 12s!
I had the Pioneer 350w green cones.
# memories
Pioneer is one of the car stereo OG's that's still excellent and has always been a good choice!
Always have been a fan of Pioneer. They may not be the absolute best that money can buy but they've been consistently good and affordable. Also, I think they make some very solid head units.
I believe anything with the Pioneer name on it will serve you well
I always considered them upper low-end.
@@MrV1NC3N7V3G4 could certainly do worse lol
To me pioneer, kenwood and sony dont have the same sound quality as Alpine, not do they sound as good as their older head units from the mid to late 90s (especially Pioneer and Sony). Replaced an old entry level Alpine bluetooth radio from 2012 and some old entry level kicker 6.5 inch coaxes from that same era with a brand new pioneer radio and speakers because the bluetooth was quirky, and the pioneer just didnt have the same sound quality or power, and the menu was very cumbersome to operate compared to the Alpine. Not a bad unit but I ended up putting the Alpine back in and repaired the surrounds on the kickers because they sounded 10x better. Pioneer radios just don't sound the same as they did back in the mid to late 90s to me. Not that they're bad, just not as good as Alpine. Same with Sony. Their older radios before the Xplod series came out used to sound great, especially the mobile ES series. Bought a Sony floating screen for my older Land Rover and again, just couldn't match the old Alpine in sound quality or power. Not bad units, just nowhere near the sound of an Alpine unit.
Pioneer set the spl world record back in 07-08 which they can do at any time they please.
They’re also a leader in high end sound quality equipment if you have the bank.
Check out their PRS line.
Back around 1989 one of my first car audio systems was a small Pioneer 2 channel amp running 4 Pioneer 6×9s and it was a real screamer. I had all 4 speakers facing up behind the seat of my S-10 pickup. I played a lot of GnR, AC/DC and Van Halen through that system and it sounded really good to me :)
These days noone would dream of using 6x9s for bass but the reality is they have essentially the same cone area as an 8 and when properly enclosed/baffled you can get solid sound well below 40hz. This was adequate for most music produced before the mid 90s and I feel privileged to have experienced this firsthand
back then, Pioneer amps were made in the USA
after installing tons of sistems ended up going back to that setup of amp and 4 6x9's ... its cheap and loud
@@alekpo2000 …and simply
1989, what a great year that was. I had a pioneer component system with big black din plugs that connect the components together in my car in 89. Sound was awesome and loud but the speakers had bugger all bass coming from them. Turns out for the whole time i had the component system in the car, the speakers were not wired right (they were out of phase) and thats what was causing the lack of bass. Later in the 90's i added a Pioneer GM203 amp to my car stereo and still have it to this day.
Big D - THANKS for testing a good quality budget amp! Even through TH-cam, that little amp sounded great on the music tests. It might be time to re-test some of the newer 4-channel or 5-channel models as some of the ones you tested years ago have had minor model revisions. Another interesting comparison would be a similar wattage Class D vs Class AB - is the sound noticeably different?
I've always seen these amps and wondered what they can do but with this Insight man I might grab one for by mids and highs. I was always scared they might be junk but man saving money really helps out. thanks big D
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This was my first amp ever, it's been through four different cars in basically every ohm load and frequency cut off you can think of, even had it bridged at 2ohms for a sec with no problem, definitely a solid little amp
I have this amp on a 10” Kicker Comp in a sealed box in my 2020 Fusion with stock stereo running some Skar 6.5s in the doors. I’m happy with the overall sound of the system.
Pioneer used to make some fantastic car audio equipment. The old IMPP subs come to mind. Back when they used the Omega symbol as their logo. I had 4x 10's in my 1992 Camaro with a US Amps powering them. They provided some serious knock.
I had those in a custom box in my bedroom as home speakers lol
those impp were nice!
I had 2 IMPP 12's. They sounded good and hit hard, especially for lower power setup.
Myself and others did have problems with the cones cracking. For a while, I was the go-to guy (in high school) for repairing these.
I have the one above that one that has 1000 watts all over it in my wife's truck and it seems pretty solid for the price, it's running a pair of 12's and sounds good. Pioneer has always been good and reliable in my experience.
Now you're talking my language Big D Pioneer. The same head unit that I used to purchase all the time when I was installing car stereo for myself and Friends. I still have my original pioneer SX-1080 receiver that was purchased in the 1970s brand spanking new. 120 watts per Channel RMS still working to this day with no trouble at all.
When you said, let's see how it sounds and you said that it sounds good you made my night.
I have been on the fence about this amp for a while. Thanks for reviewing it!
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Not much to think about when you're only spending $70 on your amplifier. Worst case scenario you can always return it for a refund or Exchange. What are you worried about? it's not a $7,000 amplifier or $700 amplifier. It's the cheapest Pioneer on the market how can you go wrong?
I’ve owned the larger 2 channel version of this one. It was sparse inside as far as guts go , but I was very surprised at how well it performed and how badly it could take abuse.
It got hot enough to literally smell all the way up front in my caravan. But it never quit working , and is still alive with a buddy of mine now. 10/10 would use again if one fell in my lap
Awesome 👏
Agreed. Pioneer manufacturers in China just like everyone else but it seems their QC is a step above competitors (specifically Kenwood/Sony)
Love the SMELL of cooking Transistors in the morning.... Smells like.... VICTORY!
BDBD/2022
Picked up a 1000W 4 Chanel amp last year and it honestly is an amazing amp, got it on clearance for $50 and it really bumps the little 6.5s in our Chevy Tracker 🤣, love that little amp
The old Pioneer commercial was great.
The old Pioneer quality was great too!
Love that one too!
Loved the old GM-H line. I had the GM-H100 and H50 back in the day. They bumped...then I went RF Punch....and learned what real headroom meant. Cheers!!!
Awesome 👏
I just picked up the GM-A5702 150 watts RMS x 2 version of this amp to drive my front stage . Haven't heard it yet but I'm very encouraged that you made such a big deal about the sound quality of this line. Class a-b goodness.
Pioneer has always been a pretty solid brand. Good to see they still apparently are, even with the budget stuff. I don't know why I was never a Pioneer fan "back in the day." And I could not tell you why. I think part of it was generally they competed with what I guess in my mind was typically better brands at the same price points. I had friends that would have some Pioneer stuff sometimes and I don't really ever remember it being junk or not even work good.
Pioneer old amps what do not use Mosfet .
Special the Pioneer what only use Mosfet power unit .
Those pioneers its not that great in that time
The Kenwood and Sony amps in that time had more power output .
Pioneer, Sony, and Kenwood are brands that are slept on. Excellent products with great pricing.
I have loved Pioneer since I was 13, I'm 55 now and have their stuff in my C4 corvette it sounds great to me 😃
I used a Pioneer amp on my subs over 20 years ago and it was not a lot of power but it sounded great and was reliable. It did run pretty warm, it was similar to the Alpine amps at the time in that regard. I had an Alpine 3527 on a set of MB Quarts and then a Pioneer amp on my subs that I can't recall the part number.
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20 years ago all these brands were great! Glad they are still around today but definitely ain’t the same.
I bought a big Pioneer 800 watt amp from the Walmart car stereo section back in the mid 2000s. I was driving two Audiobahn 10s at 4 ohms a piece. It was not ideal. I gave it to a buddy of mine.
Yes the garbage sound you were getting believe it or not was coming from those woofers I had a friend of mine that decided to do a show car and he built the entire system with that brand for the speakers and my God it sounded like garbage looked really nice all the baskets were chromed and the way he had it hooked up looked really nice the system in my car sounded 10 times better at a fraction of the price Audiobahn real crap
Wow did this bring back memories.
I recall running an Alpine MRV-F407 for fronts/rears and MRV-1000 to a single Alpine 15" sub. The MRV-1000 ran super damn hot, I had to wire 4 (!) computer fans to it to help airflow.
Eventually I ran a DEX-P1 with a PG ZX450 for fronts/rears and PG ZX500 to four 12s fibreglassed in the trunk of my Accord. At that time, my friends and some family were running the Pioneer silver amplifiers (I don't remember the model numbers but this was waaaay before they changed their logo from the tuning fork to the current one.) Those Pioneer silver amps were higher end ones and a lot of people used them in competitions back then.
That pioneers amp guts are crazy clean and nicely laid out for 65$ that's a steal 👍👍💯
Pioneer has always made good gear. I think they don't get enough respect in the audio community because they sell a lot of gear at mass market places like Walmart and Best Buy and because a lot of their car audio gear has "max" numbers plastered all over them.
well if ya know MAX then ya know they measuring BOTH sine waves unlike RMS that uses a single side wave. BUT I really THOUGHT that bugger would have put out OVER 250 watts.... but it did not. Hmmmmmmmm So yes. BDBD/2022
If you look at the Box it actually had the RMS on there as well in smaller writing I noticed it
@@Mr.Robert1 The RMS numbers are there in smaller writing but max numbers are what consumers will see first and most often. I have always felt that is somewhat deceptive.
Iv always been a fan of pioneer car audio stuff. I just got a 2024 Subaru Crosstrek and am working on putting speakers, a 10 inch subwoofer, and possibly this amplifier inside I am just doing research on it first.
Boy do I miss the 80’s. Thanks for the flashback. 👍
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Thanks alot for the video. Sounds like Pioneer is still making some pretty decent stuff for the price, and hasn't faltered like some of the other brands. They've always been noted for their car stereos.
I’m running that pioneer 500watt a3702 2 channel amp for my mids and highs for 5 JL audio speakers. And it kicks ass. I absolutely love it. In the future I do plan on changing it out for an amp with more settings. But it’s very simple to use and set up, which is really nice. And it makes good power for the speakers I have it running. Sound quality isn’t sacrificed either.
Pioneer has always been a good bet for SQ. I think as company they never really tried to cater to bass heads. More for people that want a full sounding system. I'd love to run that amp to push 4 6x9's in 2 ohm stereo.
I was always a fan of Pioneer head units.
got this Amp and a "10 infinity sub for my pops sprinter van sounds amazing we bump from atl to FL and did got a little on the warmer side but no biggie, personally I think if it had 12ga instead of 16 could resolve the temps.
Have a local kid who runs 2 of these Walmart amps. 1 for vocals 1 for his woofer
Thumps his kenwood 12 pretty good
I built him a basic aero ported box at 1.6net and a 6” aero tuned at 38hz
He listens to a lot of rock n stuff. And yes he has a external aero port as well
He doesn’t mind the look of it
That’s awesome 👏
I had one of the first cd players from Pionner in my truck. No tuner just a cd player. It had its brain and electronics in a separate housing that kinda resembled a amp . I used a Concord cassette player in junction with it . I still have the pictures of the install
I remember the Pioneer Super Tuner head units. They were nothing to be ashamed of back in the early 90's.
i have one of these, it does just fine powering a sub in bridged mode in my sisters rig. she doesn't need ridiculous power, and i didn't see the need to spend ridiculous money to keep her happy.
it does its job nicely, when paired to a decent sub/box.
Had a 2 channel "760w"(comparable to the GM-5400T) Pioneer amp on two 12" Fosgate Series 1s back in the day, sounded great.
Ive had a Pioneer GM-A6704 in my mk2 GTI for 5 years and it is awesome. Pushes Alpine components up front and a JL 10 in a sealed box. Sounds sweet!
I had same amp too. Which JL model do you use?
Back in the 90s my dad had a midlife crisis or something. He put the cerwin vega speakers from the house in the K5 Blazer with a big 400 watt pioneer Amp. It was Loud.
Alway was a PIONEER audio fan since the late 90’s ! They had one of the best head units with a powered tape ejection, and also had one of the best and affordable 61/2 mid bass speakers ! My 95 Ford escort GT had all PIONEER including 2- 10” PIONEER subs in Bazooka tubes! 🤣😂
I needed 2 additional channels to expand to a 3 way set up and bought this amp to power a pair of 1 inch tweeters. Turned out great and saved me from having to get a 6 channel amp.
I remember the ts series 6x9s back in the 80s. I had 2 pair of the ts-6906's with 90 watts a per speaker with a fas eq and they played super clean and loud.
I've had several pioneer amps and all of them put out plenty of power for what I was running. One in particular was the gm-dx975 and that thing was a beast.
Reminds me of my quad Impp's back in the day! Pioneer always a win in my book!
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I have its bigger brother (6704) and I have to say. They’re fantastic, reliable amps for the money. That thing can get deafeningly loud.
I was among the first American Autosound installers to install a Pioneer CDX-P1. Art Rubenstein was the Pioneer rep here in Hawaii in 1984 when these appeared. I at this stage had a Pioneer PORTABLE CD player plugged into the AUX input of my CONCORD Deck. I was the CONCORD guy..... WELL Art got 2 complete units from Japan, just in case one did not work there would be PARTS..... these were still prototypes but badged for US sale. Long story short, I installed the THING into a Mercedes 2 door convertible... Its TIGHT but I managed to make space for the ATTACHED BOX and cables... Ugggggg. IT WORKED!!!!. Art was pleased and so much so he gave ME that other example, said put it in YOUR car.... So I did. Sadly it was a skipperoo...... bad. HIGH VOLUMES in my car would make it SKIP bad. Well I tried many different mounting scenarios but eventually my PORTABLE found its way back into my car, LOL..... They got better over time. At this point, about 1984, 8 tracks were selling better than Cassettes. THEN LIKE MAGIC.... 8 tracks started disappearing.... Cassettes overtook them, and CD PLAYER!!!!! for a car!!!!. In like a year's time.... 8 tracks were relegated to the scrap heaps. Late 1985... PIONEER HISTORY. I own a Pioneer amp today in my beater car stereo.... SOLID. Cant go wrong with Pioneer products... STILL!..........BDBD/2022
I been had a pioneer GM6400 amp on all my mids and highs and sound quality is amazing
I've had this exact amp in my Expedition with the Pioneer low profile 8 inch replacing the stock sub components (running bridged with the dual coil in series for 4 ohms). Definite upgrade from stock and no complaints. Techmaster PEB hits plenty hard. Installed March of 2018. Zero issues in 4 years.
Funny. Just searching through my old cds and came across my techmaster peb bass computer and dj magic mike. Oh the memories...
I've always lived Pioneers equipment. I've got an AVH-601EX for my head unit. Love it. Awesome video dude. Keep em goin!
Don’t know much about these modern pioneer amps.. but back in the day them, jbl, Sony we’re the first Korean built amps. They never went for the kind of power that modern Korean amps or knocks offs go for but they have always been solid for the price
I’ve got two for my 6x9 two on left and two on right. Amos do a good job at protecting by shutting off!
I have a gm a5702("1000w") on 2 crunch 6x9s & skar 6.5 loudspeakers. I had the gain too high so it Blew out my 1st set of 6x9s But once I Replaced em & Drop the gain, it's Been workin great for 5 str8 yrs.
Hey big D you should check out this new home audio mini sub amp from fosi audio, I know you reviewed the last model but they came out with a new one that can deliver more power apparently. 220 watts@4Ohms with a max of 300 watts its 79.99$ on their website, For some reason they don't have it listed on amazon anymore, But its the Fosi Audio M01-BT. 😄😄
Sweet, thanks for the suggestion!
Pioneer made some fun stuff way back!!!
Heck yeah! I've always wanted you to do a video on these lowest level Pioneer 2 Channel amps. My first ever amp was the A3502 and I have an A3602 on home audio sub duty. Always wondered the actual power!
Love the sound quality of ab amps. They just seem punchier. Got 2 of these in my budget truck. 1 drives 4 door speakers at a 2ohm load, the other is bridged into a 10 inch 4 ohm sub. Sounds great for the money, and man that sub hits hard. I have tried other cheap mono amps, and none of them play a sub as good as these.
My first amps were Pioneer GM-H100 and GM-H50. They were affordable and reliable. I owned 10 inch Pioneer subs, 4x6 plates, EQ, Premier head unit (P990), and the Premier changer. I feel like for the average guy, Pioneer is a great upgrade, solid build and good value. They just don't get you the wow factor like other brands.
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I have the 5700 series I believe and have been waiting for you to do these amps thank you for doing this.
Same, used the 5702 for years. Asked him awhile back if they did rated and he said i don't see why not or something to that extent.
Sounds very good underrated quality amp!!
Great video! I’ve always been a fan of Pioneer. I picked up the big brother version that was refurbed off eBay a year or so ago for about $65. It’s the gma5702. I must say, it is a great amp too. I love how it sounds and the power it puts out. Now, they go for around $90 refurbed but still a great buy in my humble opinion. I was running a pair of Mission Bookshelf speakers full range and those little guys thumped!! I wish I picked up three of the amps cause two on subs and one on mids and highs would of been a killer budget setup. Again, thanks for sharing and great vid Big D!
Had and still have the gm-a5702, used it for years till it was replaced by xda91rb to get 1ohm. Got it off ebay from vipoutlet refurbished for 40$. Really can't handle the 2 subs I have without overheating. Sounded good and clear tho and had some thump. Always liked pioneer gear. Thx for another awesome dyno big d!
Way back when dinosaurs roamed , I had a Pioneer amp , no rca inputs , no remote turn on , just a harness with power and ground , and , speaker wires in and out .
It was a basic black metal box , with a singal switch for on and off .
I wish I still had it , cannot remember what I did with it .
It was straight outta the mid 1970s .
Was able to hear the 'Good Quality' Sound, even over youtube.
Thanks big D, Nice amp and video !!
Gotta love pioneer,got a pair of ts-w303f 12,a pair of tsw 306dvc 12 and a pair of premier 3002 spl 12s in 3 vehicles and they all sound great
Nice I used to bump a flea market pioneer amp in my first car, box Chevy Malibu back in the day with my 2 pioneer free air 12s. Good times.
Awesome 👏
You can tell it has a warm sound. The frequency cutoff isn’t abrupt.
I had a component cd player from pioneer in 1996 or 97 in my bmw 320i it was a full pioneer system except for the subs.
This is what I use for mids and highs sound is good
awesome! I've been looking for a review of this amp! keep up the great work, and thanks!
in Puerto Rico we love Pioneer car audio
That's gotta be the cleanest bass I've heard so far!
Pioneer has always sounded great I used to really love the pioneer gmh50
Boss mode amp
For Amps like these can you name the challenge, Does it "Toot Doh!" 😉
I' Love Taramps BASS!!! Made in Brazil!!!!
Hey BigD. Would love to see you test out one of Pioneers old head units from the 90s/00s
They produced some that allowed the rear channels to be bridged and had hpf/lpf for the front and rear channels.
Be interesting to see what the actual power output was 😎
Keep up the great videos, from the UK
I had one of these in a 1985 MR2...it was not bad...rear channels bridged to an 8" JL microsub
I remember those!
A pioneer is like a toyota of the sound world , they will get stolen rather than getting broken
You rock Big D! Hey you ever seen an Orion HCCA150R? As far as I can tell they are, or have become pretty rare. Never seen another one and never seen any listed for sale. I got this amp and an HCCA 2100 out of an Astro Van that I bought as beater work van for a large development we were building houses on. I bought the van off a lot for $400.00 because it was not road worthy intending for it to spend it's last days on this property. In the back of the van was a boxy MDF panel attached to the driver's side wall that was taking up a bit of space that I wanted to rip out. I saw some cable ends dangling down just barely below the edge of the panel like someone had cut the cable as close to the panel as possible. You could only see them if you crouched down low. I reached up behind and felt amp fins. I unscrewed the panel and there were 2 absolutely mint Orion amps from the 90's mounted to the back of the panel. I had both amps tested and they both work. I could not believe my luck.
Oh wow that’s cool 😎
This is the only video of yours I've watched and it's SO WELL DONE that I subscribed, good job!
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Well, We've all been had for decades. Decades y'all. The 500W isn't the output power, it's the max input power that it can consume before it smokes. I bet they replace the fuse with a metal jumper and run it @.25 ohms and if it smokes @43 amps it's a 500w amplifier. We been flim flammed.
I have had prolly 10 or so of the 5702 model they work great not the most powerful amps but makes rated power and lasts.
My first monoblock amp was a Hifonics HFi 1000.1D. It did pretty well for what it was. It never ever got warm, and I had it connected with 8 gauge ofc power & ground, it only has a 80a fuse, I dont think it even needed 4 gauge. I ended up upgrading from that to a DC Audio 1.2K and 1/0 gauge ofc Sky High Wire and an XS Power battery in the trunk. I barelyyy even heard a difference from the Hifonics amp, (connected to the same sub/in same box) so Im not even sure how but I guess the DC amp wasnt that much more power to begin with.
Yup. Power has little to do with sound quality. Also, power has very little to do with loudness. Good stuff.
pioneer is a really good brand around here in Brazil, but they usually are more expensive then our house brands like taramps, soundigital, banda, stetsom, but they are really know for they sound quality! perfect for some sq or sq with some bass for the bassheads day to day build!!!
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You got to love the old commercial
Absolutely 👍
I remember that commercial. It's so dumb, I love it.
Great video. I bought the larger version some years back and had it on 2 Polk 12s in my wife's car and it was solid.
Awesome 👏
Nothing wrong with banging on a budget 🤙
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I have 3 pioneer D class amps, my two mono amps are great but the 4ch sounds harsh as hell and I have wanted to go back to A/B for my MIDs and highs but Dont think my cars electrical system could cope with an A/B producing the same RMS output as the class D, I'm already killing alternators in fairly short order with my current setup.
Every single system that I put in my various cars throughout the years was always two amplifiers. A good quality 4 channel name brand amplifier driving the mids in the highs and a Class D monoblock driving either a single woofer or two woofers. Depending on what system I was building and what car I was putting it in. I'm going to tell you, I never upgraded my electrical system ever. Always had the stock battery, always had the stock alternator. Never bought a capacitor, a lithium battery or an upgraded alternator ever.
@@Mr.Robert1 I've not upgraded my electrical system but it could do with it, my 3 amps give it a beating
That is the most rise I’ve ever seen. Normal rise is double at tuning frequency. Is that box sealed? What was that wired too? I know a million questions. I use that meter to measure rise all the time. That’s the highest I ever seen consistently. You’d need a 2000 watt amp to get 250 watts to that 6.5. I was getting down considering it never saw over 30 watts. Great video as always.
never dismiss the pioneer amps. they have always been an under the radar type of amp, but I have seen and heard may a great system since the mid 90s powered by pioneer.
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Big D I am glad you said that numbers don’t show the quality of sound. And yes we want what we paid for so the numbers are important. But for people like me who are into car audio don’t always understand what’s under the hood. So maybe if you could make video or explain why a amp will SOUND good instead of just putting out the numbers. For example I have lower name brand amp NVX that has not failed me but when playing wide open at times I can’t help but notice that maybe it’s just not playing at clear. So I went ahead a purchased a Kicker cxa 1200.1 for an upgrade in quality. If you explain to us maybe why some amps sound so good compared to others. Great example would be today’s video. Pioneer has a great reputation and even thier low tier amps SOUND great.. why so?
Goes to show, the class A\B are still the best sounding. I recently "upgraded" my old 90's class A/B amps to a single 5 channel class D with tons of power. Yep, never runs out of power now, but sounds like dog $hit. The bass is way different and drops off all over the place. The mids and highs (2 sets in the car) respond ok until pushed. Then, you notice the digital roll offs and weird noises coming from the tweeters. I'm sorry. Class D just ain't there yet. I'm going back to class A/B for the quality of sound.
A/B is made for sound. Digital is made for base only normally monoblock.
I've never built a system with a one amplifier driving the entire system. Always did two amplifiers even if they were small amplifiers. Didn't matter I would always use a four Channel good quality name brand A/B class for the highs and mids. My second amplifier would be a Class D running mono to drive the sub or Subs.
Us older guys are always amazed at how the younger guys don't know how innovative some of these old school brands are/were in high end audio both home and auto. Pioneer, Sony, Kenwood, JBL, Clarion, Soundstream, Phoenix gold, MTX, Kicker were the top brands in the 80's/90's in car audio. Pioneer, Sony, Kenwood were big buck brands in home audio back in the day, and JBL/Infinity still kills in high-end home audio market, with no attention to Thor high level car audio drivers...quite a shame a lot of good stuff going overlooked.
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They do make clean amps!i have the exact one,but the 1000 watts 2channel one. Thanks
Basic amps with few adjustments are just fine. Most modest decks have eg, crossover frequency and slope control as well as bass level control.
True dat
Thanks big d we don't have a great choice here in Australia and this amp is 169$ at my local shops I only stick to second hand gear but always wondered how much RMS these put out thanks for sharing