Basically the Empire's main problem was that Palpatine was a Sith. Not only was the emperor paranoid sadistic backstabbing power hungry lunatic but this mentality trickled down to his officers and even regular men. So when Palpatine died without ever appointing a successor, the empire became a jungle where the animals began to rip each other to pieces.
Well Darth Vader was the 'officiall/non officially' heir of Uncle Palpy but even him died in the Death Star number 2 and so without any real leadership the Empire quickly fragmented...as designed because as a Sith Palpatine never had the capacity to consider something greater then him (except maybe the FORCE itself) and so had not even considering the survive of the Empire without him (just look at Operation Cinder, a petty vendetta without any real strategic reason or gain that shattered any leftover legitimancy of the Empire and any possibility to resist the Rebellion advance)
@@lukedalton Vader was kind of the heir but there's a reason why succession doesn't end with just the direct heir. Whether it be monarchy or democracy, you've a long succession lines. But with fascist states like the Empire, you've just the top boss and then a bunch of underlings, who will begin to fight for the top position once the top boss dies.
"Someone" brought peace, freedom, justice, and security. These things shouldn't erode just because the dictator/leader gets thrown down a reactor shaft(that for some reason needed to be in the throne room..). Are these not ideals held by most people? Perhaps there was some corruption, perhaps from the top-down, and the methods used weren't so nice. "Under new management" doesn't necessarily mean that any of the ideals have changed, just perhaps a new direction/implementation in achieving them. Mas Amedda was the next in line, he's the one who signed the surrender to the New Republic, and didn't he cooperate in the transition? That seems very much like a person who believes in the ideals more than any particular methodology. The scariest part is, that we have sadistic and unethical people right here on our own world. These people are pushing their agendas, moving the boundaries, changing the landscape, corrupting our ideals. They use fear because it is the most effective way to manipulate people, through primal instinct.
The Empire didn't fail because Palpatine was a Sith, it's because like LukeDalton said, he cared only about himself. Many other Sith could have actually kept it going after their fall, such as Darth Bane, who instituted the Rule of Two. The idea behind it wasn't so that the individual Sith could be exceptionally powerful, but so that the individuals would see the Sith as a whole before themselves as a means of ensuring the survival of the Sith organization. As long as one remains, the organization remains, but when there are a great number of them, they have the bad habit of fighting over power. When there's only two, it's hard to hide when you're trying to take your master's place. This ideology infected the Empire and it became an extension of the Sith. If Palpatine had seen the Sith as a whole as greater than himself, he would have had a clear line of succession, instead he wanted to find a way to live forever as the head of the Empire. Bane is disappoint, son.
At least one of those Warlords was pretty much a pirate king, openly talking about the vast riches they could all be making by raiding the Republic's shipping lanes.
Yeah, that's basically what these f*ckers have been reduced to: Piracy, banditry, and basically taking the Alliance's place as a galactic insurgency. It's quite pathetic really, and I would certainly not blame Thrawn and Sloane for wanting nothing to do with these lowlifes.
The imperial remnant is super underrated. I love the tension and uneasy alliances from the expanded universe. Glad Mando is finally including more Warlords than just Gideon.
it was a survival strategy as well. the chaos that would be unleashed by his death and the collapse of the empire without him would act as a check on an internal rival making the attempt, as they would realise they would destroy the very Empire they were seeking to control.
Palpy was a fuckin man child who didnt get hugged enough by his mommy. Supreme Edge Lord Palpy, mr if i cant have it than nobody can. little looser kid palps
@@xerxeskingofking except it wasnt a wildly known plan, as far as i know it wasnt disclosed until after his death, deterance doesnt work if you dont tell anyone about the contingency
Let's not forget, Lucas didn't write beyond the fall of the Emperor. The EU and Disney sequels were not the result of original intent. IE they winged it.
I absolutely loved the inclusion of Imperial warlords and especially the legend himself Captain Pelleaon, hopefully we’ll see some more familiar faces from the EU in the future. Perhaps Zsinj, Daala, Harrsk, The Circle of Twelve Grand Admirals, Empire of the Hand, and more warlords will appear!
@@stephen8805 she’s an epic failure. YOLO’s her original fleet to it’s doom. Get’s treated like the joke she is by all the warlords. The only good thing she did was off said warlords and unite their assets. Proceeds to lose a good portion of those assets. It’s left to our man Pellaeon to pick up the pieces. After that she what? Gets inserted into the end of the New Rebellion as some lame deus ex machina to save the day? Does some stupid crap during the Vong invasion? For someone who was supposedly some sort of tactical genius, she was too stupid to wonder why Tarkin wasn’t replying to her emails, didn’t bother to do any sort of recon or intel gathering. Just YOLO in and hope for the best.
@Homer It was not about Sith culture. He simply wanted for them to attack and weaken each other rather than forging alliances in order to depose him. This apparently was based on Hitler.
@@lisboah Hitler presumed his inner circle was completely loyal to him, and as long as he lived they did not harm each other. Goebbels and Himmler telling him sweet lies about his greatness didn't exactly help. The plot code named Valkyrie specifically excluded any of these people as the organizers knew they all had to die to end the war. Hitler didn't realize however that Goering and Himmler had their own plans and they became among the first to desert him. Palpatine encouraged his officers to be ambitious and sharp as long as they were loyal to him. To this end he allowed Moffs and Grand Moffs to basically do whatever they wanted in their sectors, creating mini-empires in space to do his bidding and make some profit on the side. While some officers did plot to kill him at several junctures, this arrangement made the Emperor their main benefactor, making it impossible to rise against him lest they lose all their privileges. Only the likes of Crix Madine chose to turn their backs on this system despite the wealth of advantages it gave them.
I thought it was really interesting that Hux was there since he's serving Sloane now and creating the First Order. Maybe the First Order wants Thrawn and the Remnant to destroy each other so the First Order can swoop in and clean up any survivors.
It is more like they are hidinf their true strength from the others, and while the Imperial Remnant ultimately wages war against the New Republic, someone from the First Order is going to make a call to not to participate yet as according to Palpatine’s official contingency plan which sought to have the Empire first rebuilt in the Unknown Regions. And after the Imperial Remnant is destroyed, that guy from the First Order gains legitimacy. This can be a way to establish Snoke as the legitimate leader of the First Order.
This would fit into Legends as well. While Palpatine was recovering after transferring into a clone body, Thrawn launched a massive campaign to destroy the New Republic. And what did Palpatine do? He secretly ensured that Thrawn would fail, rather than support him. Why? Because he wanted to be the one to conquer the galaxy, to defeat the New Republic and crush the Jedi once and for all.
The EU goes so far into depth with this, with imperial Admirals becoming warlords, fighting amongst themselves, while others where trying to uphold the Empire. Legends was amazing.
They didn't have a full direction of projects from a single leader and not a single leader to report to but multiple people independently as their own bosses. Each leader with their own projects and reasons. Ultimately which is their demise but which is why Thrawn is so crucial to be leading the new Empire as he's most feared and respected leader the Empire had after Endor.
Not just feared and respected but also highly intelligent, very logical, tactical, creative, open minded, and observent which makes him an extraordinary leader. Just the fact alone that he doesnt underestimate his enemy makes him the best commander for the empire, thats one thing the imps always fuck up on is thinking they are the shit and have nothing to fear
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Palpatine didnt die without designating a successor. His successor threw him down a chasm while he fried his personal life support systems and all other trusted members of his inner circle died on the the first death star.
I would love if palleon thinks thrawn is coming back on the side of the empire, but instead comes back with the chiss expansionary defense fleet and is neither an ally of the new republic or Empire. Thrawn could realize the Empire was too evil and too corrupt but also see the new Republic as too weak. I could see him creating his own empire of the hand like in legends but with a new take on it. It could be made of former good imperials, Jedi, and new republic/ resistance that join him. I would love to see in the ahsoka show thinking he is the bad guy but we end up teaming up with him to save the chiss from the grysk. This could be why we don’t see ahsoka or sabine or ezra in the sequels, they could join Thrawn.
A bit of wish fulfillment here lol but it is not out of the realm of possibility. Thrawn might well have joined the Rebel Alliance if he thought they could bring order to the galaxy.
@@dustinjones7458 Oh yea definitely, more realistically it looks like he’ll be a bad guy but I do think he will not be allies with gideon since gideon went rogue. But it’s not impossible for thrawn to realize he underestimated the Jedi and overestimated the empire. If he comes back and sees the empire fallen apart he may become a third party enemy or ally.
@@leonrussell9607 True. That doesn’t mean thrawn won’t on his own accord. Plus I don’t think he would invade, just try to stop the grysk and maybe some imperial remnants from expanding into chiss territory
@@GAJake "Oh yea definitely, more realistically it looks like he’ll be a bad guy" I never thought of Thrawn as a bad guy in the books. He was on the Empire's side, but he was the closest that faction has ever had to a "lawful neutral" character, and I kind of found himself rooting for him at the end.
@@jamesgravil9162 I think he means like an imperial officer, starting as a regional defence force soldier, moving into the GAR then into the imperial navy
@@kierano8390 Thrawn started off at the bottom of the imperial hierarchy and, earning recognition from Palpatine, eventually rose to become a Grand Admiral and one of the most powerful figures in the Empire. There are many similarities between him and Napoleon - they were both military geniuses. I would definitely watch a TV series chronicling Thrawn's rise to power.
The big irony is Palpatine wasn't killed by Luke or the rebellion. He basically set himself up to be killed and his pride clouded any force power that would make him realize it. So operation cinder is even more dumb because it punished loyal imperial worlds for his own failure.
I was watching Pelion like a hawk.😄 If they’re doing New Jedi Order then they might be tempted to adapt the Yuzhang Vong invasion and the Star Wars Galaxy uniting to fight them with “good” Imperial Remnant. Main thing he’s known for is that and ending the Galactic Civil War. Plus, you could also adapt Jaina Solo becoming Empress with Fel to perhaps putting Rey into that role.
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This was an amazing analysis video. It's nice to see you go in depth with the Empire since its nice to see the deeper part of these organizations and how they're more than what they appear to be on the surface. This was a great video and an amazing gift to watch on my birthday yesterday. So thank you and I'm looking forward to see what you do next.
The problem with Palpi's rule is that he had no end goal (unless we count Uzhan Wong invasion which I don't like on many levels), he had a goal of destroying the Jedi and let him, self proclaimed sith, rule the Galaxy, and he brought some order in the beginning years of his rule (not to forget his aid and manipulations in CIS and GR conflict) but then he kinda did nothing and just messed around with no big plan in mind.
Kind of like Littlefinger in Game Of Thrones - the TV show, not the books. We don't know what LF's endgame in the books is, but in the TV show all he did was sow chaos and manipulate powerful people until it eventually backfired on him (should have seen that coming.) It's hard to see how he could have realised his goal of sitting on the Iron Throne, but I guess he was always destined to fail.
Yes, and the only ways to bring these Warlords together are: 1. Be the Emperor 2. Be EXTREMELY good at your job (Thrawn) 3. Screw it. Kill the lot of them (Dalaa).
I view the situation in the galaxy as something akin to the aftermath Chinese (Xinhai) revolution, the imperial Regime was overthrown but much of the countryside is controlled by various warlords who were Governors/Commanders of the former regime. They not only reject the new government but also squabble with each other for power, but lack the means to threaten national government, but that government itself lacks means to exert authority over all its territory do to its own internal weakness, but the national government itself has the balance of power largely in it favor despite its problems.
That's a good comparison, I like that. I wonder, who that would make the characters in post-Endor Star Wars compared to post-Xinhai China. Mon Mothma, in that sense, would (kinda) be a stand-in for Sun Yat-sen, but what about everyone else?
@@occam7382 Thrawn would be Chang Hsueh-liang "the young Marshall", a flawed but heroic figure who saw the bigger threat over The horizon in the form of the Japanese empire and labored to get a semblance of unity for a united front. But in universe what is that threat?
@@cane6074, very nice. Also, if the Empire of Japan would be the big otherwordly threat for a divided China, then in Star Wars, they're obviously the Grysk/Yuuzhan Vong. Anyone else? What about Mao Zedong and Chiang Kai-Shek, who would their Star Wars counterparts be?
@@cane6074 Atleast in the Thrawn novel series it is the Grysk. The Ahsoka Show is said to explore the possibilities of other galaxies so an extra-galactic threat like the Yuuzhan Vong might come into play.
@@kungolaf4499, personally, I always liked to interpret it as the Grysk are the Yuuzhan Vong, but to the Chiss - and, byt extension, the rest of the galaxy - they're known as the Grysk.
You know. This epsidoe got me thinking How are their even really warlords left when all got exploded at jakku, exploding each other, or being hunted by the republic.
A select number of Imperials were specifically spared as they were given directions to the FO rally point during the Battle of Jakkut. NR didn't pursue fleeing ships heading to the Unknown Space and the rest benefited from their rivals pushing them to armpit locations.
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And this is why evil never triumphs for long, as soon as the monsters in charge feel secure in their positions, they turn on each other. It's a waste of time and effort, which their enemies take advantage of, to devastating effect.
I think we forget the main goal of the sith, to cause pain and suffering. It makes them stronger. Why would he have anything set in stone. Organized chaos is how he controls the flow of suffering. If he dies it causes chaos and destruction. Plus the plan to destroy loyal worlds to cuase max suffering so he can re summon himself.
A lot of the bravest and most competent of the Imperial Navy and Imperial Army (etc) were killed in the Galactic Civil War. Imperial losses at Endor and Jakku were particularly harrowing for them, because some of their best officers were lost. The _Executor_ alone had a massive proportion of the Empire's best and brightest (and no, Admiral Firmus Piett wasn't necessarily one of them; though he was a talented survivor and climber of the ranks, staying on Vader's good side) ISB Admiral Garrick Versio was arguably a more competent and effective high ranking officer, though he was lost on Jakku, going down with his ship (the Eviscerator) 225,000 of the Empire's best and brightest died on the _Executor_ (alone) over Endor. The Imperial Navy were suffering massive losses galaxy wide in spite of inevitably, surely inflicting very severe losses on multiple rebel forces simultaneously all over the galaxy. The more the atrophy of high quality officers continued, the worse the death spiral became. And although I dislike the whole Operation Cinder malarkey for a variety of reasons (it's way too predictable, and Deus Ex Machina in my view), canonically (sadly) yes there was that madness, too (like destroying Vardos and other Imperial loyalist worlds when the actual Palpatine would leave them for the rebels to take at as high a cost as possible, just out of spite; not auto-seppuku them just for the sake of making some bizarre point to further highlight Palpatine is a sick individual; yes, we get it, and he does not care, but he isn't that dumb. Well, at least, before The Rise Of Skywalker happened, but by that point all bets were off the writing got so atrocious) Anyhow, the point is, the Imperials ended up being reduced to their lesser officers and standards obviously slipped, with extremists like Brendol Hux after Captain Pellaeon retreated from the Battle of Endor (as did Admiral Versio, himself as one of the last to leave, putting his ship in grave risk though for good reason, lurking in the debris field of the DSII until his daughter's Inferno Squad was ready to evacuate Endor after their mission was finished) The likes of Pellaeon, Versio and of course, Grand Admiral Thrawn, were vitally important to the Imperial remnants, and yet, they and so many others were forced to concede so much of Imperial space. It's ridiculous that the Galactic Empire allegedly collapsed 1 year and a month after Endor. They'd more likely last a few years in an increasingly fractured and mutually destructive state. Thrawn's return will need to be done properly. The Seventh Fleet could be far more powerful than people think currently. However, as Filoni etc seems determined to walk lockstep with the dreadful sequels, he is steering things to be aligned with making that make any kind of sense (he will fail to, categorically) That said, Thrawn could really make a powerful impact on the galaxy. Obviously a lot of that will be saved for the Ahsoka series with the questionable, risky, Marvel-like attempt to have him be the Thanos of Star Wars. Coming along like a wrecking ball into multiple TV series. We're just getting the foreshadowing of what he'll do next. Expect the Imperials to be kicking serious New Republic backside uphill and down dale. Though because of the Mandalorian element to this, maybe they'll suffer an initial setback on Nevarro (I guess) though how Nevarro will stop Thrawn even if the Mandalorians unite en masse, is debatable. Thrawn will likely stick it to the Imperial warlords as well, knowing they are untrustworthy. Look at Pellaeon, clearly knowing what is up and not trusting any of them. Least of all, Moff Gideon. Pellaeon was the most mild-mannered, at the Shadow Council (not at all an edgy name for bad guys in the secret bad guy club) Even so, I think people will underestimate Pellaeon (let alone Thrawn, his boss) and then he'll suddenly come along and thoroughly kick the stuffing out of anyone in his way in a naval battle. But I wouldn't hold my breath for that. Can't show the Empire being too competent now eh Filoni! P.S - The only Imperial worth a damn in the sequels (and that includes Palpatine, very sadly, due to his mindless portrayal - as much as it was great to see McDiarmid going all out with his most well-known character again) was a certain Captain Moden Canady. I like him in that, he was an old Imperial in First Order service, visibly 'done' with all the newbie First Order know-nothings around him. He was barking orders at them because he was genuinely experienced as a veteran from the Galactic Civil War, and although he was killed, he died like a true Imperial, on the bridge of his own warship, without fear. He faced death sternly and stoically, as the young First Order crew under his command understandably panicked. It makes one wonder if he pitied them or felt ashamed. Although, he was only a minor character and killed off all too quickly (along with an obscene number of officers, Stormtroopers and crew, on that _Mandator IV_-class Siege Dreadnought, the Fulminatrix aka flying Dorrito), he was still clearly interesting. I read up his character and I was actually impressed. One of the rare wins of the sequels. Someone actually had the thought at least to pad out his character backstory a bit. Just a shame nobody cared enough to show that character backstory and development on-screen except for the actor's perfect portrayal _for_ that backstory. It is entirely convincing that he was an old Imperial, sick to the back teeth with the upstart First Order wannabes under his command. He sounds and looks so tired of their BS. Again, I liked that. But there was something else, too; he had an almost paternal presence there, and was just done with their inexperience and yet didn't want them to die. He may have disliked them for their exuberant arrogance - coming from a time when, yes, arrogance wasn't unknown to the Imperial Navy, though it was at least professional, most of the time - yet he wasn't leading them poorly (other than targeting the planetary base first, which wasn't his fault, just bad writing making him do it) Although the entire scene was a mess with the defences of the massive ship being taken out too easily, and the destruction of this 'fleet killer' being entirely contrived and unconvincing, I felt as though Captain Canady would have been an interesting figure if he'd been allowed to survive the first act of the film -.-' It was a shame. He was actually semi-competent and working for the First Order. That must have been a rare sight in that organisation. Then again, Allegiant-General Enric Pryde, almost looked as though he was going to be impressive, until he forgot how to fly up.
One of the ways in which Palpatine ruled and kept his subordinates under control was by playing them off against each other, encouraging backstabbing, scheming and rivalries. This pretty much assured that in his absence things would quickly fall apart. Only he was too arrogant to ever consider the possibility.
In Mandalorian chapter 23, Gideon was that competent leader. He actually delivered on his promises. And wasn't shy of admitting his own failures. Bo is the one who seeks leadership, but only have nice words to back up that leadership. And that is why she failed and Gideon won. But prior to chapter 23, she was the effective leader. She was solving actual problems and didn't bother much about delivering inspirational speeches. Because action is better than words. It even showed in chapter 22, where she paralyzed the head of security during one of such speeches/rants about how Count Dooku was visionary, with explanation "politics". Different writers delivered the opposite view on the same issue. Same thing happened in The book of Boba Fett. From the start, he was effective leader/problem solver, helping other people solve their problems. At the end, his character changed and he became the problem maker, while whining about how oppressed he is. And waiting for the help from the outside. While the effective leader, like Gideon from chapter 23, Bo from earlier chapters and Boba from the beginning of his book was the help from the outside.
I'm hereby going with: everyone dies in the finale. Maybe Grogu or the Armourer survive, but if they're setting up the return of Thrawn for the Ahsoka series, then he might actually take out Gideon, even if he's been using Gideon all along ...
The problem with the Empire is that it was just as much a madhouse as any Sith academy was. The moment the big daddy goes away, everyone wants to be him or form their own little kingdom. In Dark Empire and Crimson Empire, these yahoos betrayed the Emperor when he came back. Palpatine had the rebels by the ropes, it didn't matter how many times they killed him, he can respawn with clones, and his unifying presence alone was enough to keep the New Republic at bay. Yet some deep-state Imperial warlords who enjoyed the taste of freedom the rebels gave them after Palpatine's death on Endor were unsatisfied with his return, and so, they bribed his physician to poison the clone bodies the Emperor used, which led to him having to go full suicide mission to steal a body from the Skywalkers, which predictably ended in his demise. Once the Empire fell under Jedi leadership after the Second Galactic Civil War, the Empire became more stable, and the Jedi version of the Empire successfully lasted all the way to the end of the Legends timeline as the premier power in the galaxy, with the Sith half of the Empire being defeated and the Alliance reduced to a rump state that was ironically enough, ruled by a military junta led by a warlord.
@@Hello-bi1pm When the Jedi ruled it, the Empire wasn't authoritarian. More like enlightened despotism, as in, they'll listen to people making suggestions so long as it's within reason.
It will be a thrwn against gideon, hux will step out of the way and let them kill eachother, our ghost crew will have to decide who they will support or be like Hux
I cant be the only one who sees Sloane and Thrawn as the only competent not wanting their own personal fiefdoms leadership among the post Endor remnants? For the record my view of Sloane comes from the Aftermath book series.
video idea - with all the shows iv kinda lost track of the order of events at this point so i would appreciate a timeline for rebels the bad batch andor the Mandalorian and maybe even the upcoming shows
I really hate how Disney use dialogue, they feel like they have to explain everything to the audience in the face with unnecessarily long explanation, back and forth question and answer conversation
Those specialists could become the sycophants, though. Like how the term "czar" was adopted in the early 00's in regards to an appointed regulator. There's always going to be ego and bias in governance, whether dictator or democracy, so long as there is gains to be made for oneself at the expense of others, and so long as the citizens have enough to do in their own lives that it's untenable to devote time to shaping governance to be both ethical and accountable.
Some think that one of the point of Operation Cinder was to create suffering in true believers. Then use that disturbance in the Force (especially in the Dark Side) to empower Sidious spirit in Chaos. Chaos as in Star Wars hell were Sith go when they die (rather than rejoining the Force in Heaven?). So using all the Dark Side power created by Cinder to empower Sidious so he could break out of Chaos and return to the world of the living.
One thing about the Empire is Palpatine, in true Sith fashion, intentionally set the Empire up to where he was the only person in it who’s power would be unchallenged and therefore it would fracture to pieces without him. The way the shadow council is operating is just the way we see the Imperial Remnant in Legends. From almost the moment the second Death Star was destroyed, various high ranking Imperial officers staked their own claims. We see Grand Admiral Grunger and Grand Admiral Pitta declaring themselves warlords and gathering forces. I mentioned those two specifically because they highlighted the Imperial Remnant’s worse quality in Legends: they were the Empire in name only and saw no reason to even pretend to work together in the name of the Empire. Really, it was a bunch of ex-Imperial personnel and equipment serving the personal goals of the local leader. None of them really had any goals towards reestablishing the Empire, merely solidifying their own power base and dealing with the New Republic as it got in their way. Thrawn in Legends, just like how canon is alluding to, was the only one who actually had the intelligence and power to unite the remnant into something resembling the Empire they came from.
Becoming comfortable with Positions of Power is a Major topic you hit on. One that plagues modern politics. Also the reason why George Washington is so revered for his ability to step down as president after just two terms. A tradition, that while attempted, wasn't broken until FDR and then officialized in the 22nd Amendment. An Act which reputedly led King George III to have said that if George Washington relinquished the presidency after his second term (versus becoming a dictator/monarch) he would be “the greatest character of the age.”
While the Thrawn of legends was a great politician the current one is not, however I’m happy to Gilad back in the mix, hopefully he gets a spin off and becomes supreme commander of the imperial remanant
So, what would you call the Galactic Republic during the Prequels and Clone Wars and the Separatist Alliance. Both don’t exactly have a completely united government, but they seem able to set aside their differences in wartime and unite. Clones, Droids, and Jedi aren’t backstabbers by nature and work together well. Separatist and Republic officers on the other hand are far more like Imperial officers.
The Galactic Republic prior to the Clone Wars was a flawed democracy, with an apathic, corrupt, and squabbling government, a bloated and inefficient bureaucracy, and a near total absence of government presence in a large portion of its claimed territories. After the Clone Wars began, Republic slowly transformed into an autocracy in all but name, trading the corrupt and bickering Senate, ineffective bureaucracy, and lack of government authority into a one-party dictatorship, a massive authoritarian bureaucracy, and near total military control of its territory. The Confederacy, meanwhile, was an authoritarian corporatist state masqurading as a parliamentary republic. The Separatist Parliament, like the Galactic Senate, had little to no power while the powerful megacorporations of the Separatist Council and their Droid Armies really ran the show.
@Generation Tech, I have a question, if the Armorer is a Spy for Maul or the Empire, then would that mean that the Armorer is Rook Kast. The female Mandalorian warrior who led the Shadow Collective's super commandos during the Clone Wars alongside Gar Saxon and Almec. Because Last time I checked she participated in the Siege of Mandalore, but this led to defeat and Kast's capture at the hands of Bo-Katan Kryze. Which means she might still be alive by this time.
Military leaders backstabbing each other is a common practice in any military in a nation with totalitarian dictatorship such as either a fascist or communist. Generals within the military leadership of the Third Reich always backstabbed their rivals. Some like Rommel and Guderian were nearly untouchable, however with the Valkyrie incident Rommel's name was dropped so he was suspected as a conspirator. Which he was given the choice of committing suicide, or the regime was going to not only kill him but his entire family. In Communist regimes the ones that kiss the most ass to the party get the roles of leadership. They are not always the most experienced when it comes to leading. In the United States corrupt career politicians always appoint those to roles of leadership based on the group/groups they represent to sway supporters of those groups as voters to vote for them in elections. They generally do not give a shit about them outside of that. They are rarely ever experienced in leading. But hey it's a dude trying to be a gal that can't decide what bathroom to use. But let's put them in charge of a carrier task force or a squadron of aircraft. Like the enemy really cares about pronouns people use.
What surprises me is that even though there is a clear chain of command in case the Emperor dies, nobody seemed to care about it. The one to immediately take over is the Grand Vizier, but all high ranking imperial officers and politicians somehow decided it is time not to follow protocol and just form their own factions. Imperial High Command ? What is that ? Never heard of it, bye.
The Empire wasn't designed to last in the long term unless Palpatine achieved immortality. The dysfunction was deliberate on many levels. There was no established succession. Vader was hated and feared by too many high-ranking Imperials to rely on the support of the military and civilians would never accept him as a new emperor. By setting his senior military against each other, Palpatine denied any one of them enough power to stage a coup. This is why Tarkin (who could be easily shot if necessary) was in command of the Death Star I rather than Vader, and why Palpatine kicked Vader off the Death Star II the moment he arrived and settled into his new throne room. Operation Cinder would cause the galaxy to hate the Imperial remnant, thus guaranteeing civil war. The entire Empire was designed to collapse without Palpatine.
Is no one else going to talk about the chicken leg? Ok. Seriously though, you bring ups ome good points about the fatal mistakes a regime like this can make.
I think that may be to show that the empire was a massive thing, not just tarkin, the stormtroopers, vader & sidious, it's a universe thing, where the series writers want to make us understand that this is a huge galaxy, and a huge empire
Oh lord. Imagine if Palpatine had a motive beyond the subjugation of the galaxy and was more interested in just killing off all the Jedi, and rule of the Republic was just a happy side effect.
Basically the Empire's main problem was that Palpatine was a Sith. Not only was the emperor paranoid sadistic backstabbing power hungry lunatic but this mentality trickled down to his officers and even regular men. So when Palpatine died without ever appointing a successor, the empire became a jungle where the animals began to rip each other to pieces.
Well Darth Vader was the 'officiall/non officially' heir of Uncle Palpy but even him died in the Death Star number 2 and so without any real leadership the Empire quickly fragmented...as designed because as a Sith Palpatine never had the capacity to consider something greater then him (except maybe the FORCE itself) and so had not even considering the survive of the Empire without him (just look at Operation Cinder, a petty vendetta without any real strategic reason or gain that shattered any leftover legitimancy of the Empire and any possibility to resist the Rebellion advance)
@@lukedalton Vader was kind of the heir but there's a reason why succession doesn't end with just the direct heir. Whether it be monarchy or democracy, you've a long succession lines.
But with fascist states like the Empire, you've just the top boss and then a bunch of underlings, who will begin to fight for the top position once the top boss dies.
"Someone" brought peace, freedom, justice, and security. These things shouldn't erode just because the dictator/leader gets thrown down a reactor shaft(that for some reason needed to be in the throne room..). Are these not ideals held by most people? Perhaps there was some corruption, perhaps from the top-down, and the methods used weren't so nice. "Under new management" doesn't necessarily mean that any of the ideals have changed, just perhaps a new direction/implementation in achieving them.
Mas Amedda was the next in line, he's the one who signed the surrender to the New Republic, and didn't he cooperate in the transition? That seems very much like a person who believes in the ideals more than any particular methodology.
The scariest part is, that we have sadistic and unethical people right here on our own world. These people are pushing their agendas, moving the boundaries, changing the landscape, corrupting our ideals. They use fear because it is the most effective way to manipulate people, through primal instinct.
The Empire didn't fail because Palpatine was a Sith, it's because like LukeDalton said, he cared only about himself. Many other Sith could have actually kept it going after their fall, such as Darth Bane, who instituted the Rule of Two. The idea behind it wasn't so that the individual Sith could be exceptionally powerful, but so that the individuals would see the Sith as a whole before themselves as a means of ensuring the survival of the Sith organization. As long as one remains, the organization remains, but when there are a great number of them, they have the bad habit of fighting over power. When there's only two, it's hard to hide when you're trying to take your master's place. This ideology infected the Empire and it became an extension of the Sith.
If Palpatine had seen the Sith as a whole as greater than himself, he would have had a clear line of succession, instead he wanted to find a way to live forever as the head of the Empire. Bane is disappoint, son.
@Kubinda12345 It Empire is quite similar to the Nazi Regime and Roman Empire. Succession is not set in stone.
At least one of those Warlords was pretty much a pirate king, openly talking about the vast riches they could all be making by raiding the Republic's shipping lanes.
Yeah, that's basically what these f*ckers have been reduced to: Piracy, banditry, and basically taking the Alliance's place as a galactic insurgency. It's quite pathetic really, and I would certainly not blame Thrawn and Sloane for wanting nothing to do with these lowlifes.
And that would play straight into a Zsinj type character
@@timvanzee9160reminds me more of Leonia Tavira. She was a literal pirate queen of the empire.
The imperial remnant is super underrated. I love the tension and uneasy alliances from the expanded universe. Glad Mando is finally including more Warlords than just Gideon.
Here's hoping they don't hurt it like they've hurt the mandalorian faction.
In the lore, that was the intent of the way he built the empire. So that if he fell... the empire would fall without him. It was a spite thing
it was a survival strategy as well. the chaos that would be unleashed by his death and the collapse of the empire without him would act as a check on an internal rival making the attempt, as they would realise they would destroy the very Empire they were seeking to control.
Operation Cinders, right?
Palpy was a fuckin man child who didnt get hugged enough by his mommy. Supreme Edge Lord Palpy, mr if i cant have it than nobody can. little looser kid palps
@@xerxeskingofking except it wasnt a wildly known plan, as far as i know it wasnt disclosed until after his death, deterance doesnt work if you dont tell anyone about the contingency
Let's not forget, Lucas didn't write beyond the fall of the Emperor. The EU and Disney sequels were not the result of original intent. IE they winged it.
I absolutely loved the inclusion of Imperial warlords and especially the legend himself Captain Pelleaon, hopefully we’ll see some more familiar faces from the EU in the future. Perhaps Zsinj, Daala, Harrsk, The Circle of Twelve Grand Admirals, Empire of the Hand, and more warlords will appear!
Please no Daala. And as much as I love Zsinj, I think the ship has sailed on him fitting into the timeline they’ve made.
@@RCorvinus yeah and also Idk how he would even have a SSD or own a large fleet.
Canon raceswapped ginger Daala with Rae Sloane 💀
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Daala is a cool character. She’s more interesting than a lot of imperials.
@@stephen8805 she’s an epic failure. YOLO’s her original fleet to it’s doom. Get’s treated like the joke she is by all the warlords. The only good thing she did was off said warlords and unite their assets. Proceeds to lose a good portion of those assets. It’s left to our man Pellaeon to pick up the pieces. After that she what? Gets inserted into the end of the New Rebellion as some lame deus ex machina to save the day? Does some stupid crap during the Vong invasion?
For someone who was supposedly some sort of tactical genius, she was too stupid to wonder why Tarkin wasn’t replying to her emails, didn’t bother to do any sort of recon or intel gathering. Just YOLO in and hope for the best.
“The empire long united must divide, long divided must unite; this is how it has always been.” ― Luo Guanzhong, Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Don’t forget to mention Palpatine encouraged his loyal Imperials to backstab each other
@Homer It was not about Sith culture. He simply wanted for them to attack and weaken each other rather than forging alliances in order to depose him. This apparently was based on Hitler.
@@lisboah Hitler presumed his inner circle was completely loyal to him, and as long as he lived they did not harm each other. Goebbels and Himmler telling him sweet lies about his greatness didn't exactly help. The plot code named Valkyrie specifically excluded any of these people as the organizers knew they all had to die to end the war. Hitler didn't realize however that Goering and Himmler had their own plans and they became among the first to desert him.
Palpatine encouraged his officers to be ambitious and sharp as long as they were loyal to him. To this end he allowed Moffs and Grand Moffs to basically do whatever they wanted in their sectors, creating mini-empires in space to do his bidding and make some profit on the side. While some officers did plot to kill him at several junctures, this arrangement made the Emperor their main benefactor, making it impossible to rise against him lest they lose all their privileges. Only the likes of Crix Madine chose to turn their backs on this system despite the wealth of advantages it gave them.
That Fried chicken on your desk Alan XD
To paraphrase the novelization of A New Hope said, "Like the greatest of trees, it rotted from within."
I thought it was really interesting that Hux was there since he's serving Sloane now and creating the First Order. Maybe the First Order wants Thrawn and the Remnant to destroy each other so the First Order can swoop in and clean up any survivors.
It is more like they are hidinf their true strength from the others, and while the Imperial Remnant ultimately wages war against the New Republic, someone from the First Order is going to make a call to not to participate yet as according to Palpatine’s official contingency plan which sought to have the Empire first rebuilt in the Unknown Regions. And after the Imperial Remnant is destroyed, that guy from the First Order gains legitimacy. This can be a way to establish Snoke as the legitimate leader of the First Order.
This would fit into Legends as well. While Palpatine was recovering after transferring into a clone body, Thrawn launched a massive campaign to destroy the New Republic. And what did Palpatine do? He secretly ensured that Thrawn would fail, rather than support him.
Why? Because he wanted to be the one to conquer the galaxy, to defeat the New Republic and crush the Jedi once and for all.
The analogy of the Empire being like the Mafia is apt.
Palpatine is the Capo do Capi, Vader was the Consigliere, and the Admirals are the captains…
The EU goes so far into depth with this, with imperial Admirals becoming warlords, fighting amongst themselves, while others where trying to uphold the Empire. Legends was amazing.
They didn't have a full direction of projects from a single leader and not a single leader to report to but multiple people independently as their own bosses. Each leader with their own projects and reasons. Ultimately which is their demise but which is why Thrawn is so crucial to be leading the new Empire as he's most feared and respected leader the Empire had after Endor.
The main problem with Thrawn however is that he is shit at politics.
Not just feared and respected but also highly intelligent, very logical, tactical, creative, open minded, and observent which makes him an extraordinary leader. Just the fact alone that he doesnt underestimate his enemy makes him the best commander for the empire, thats one thing the imps always fuck up on is thinking they are the shit and have nothing to fear
When you first start watching this channel, the ridiculous parts of dolphin hate and humanity first attract you. Then you realize this is the most thoughtful Star Wars channel on the internet
Palpatine didnt die without designating a successor. His successor threw him down a chasm while he fried his personal life support systems and all other trusted members of his inner circle died on the the first death star.
I love the fact that your channel has been so devoted to busting the myth of dictatorship's efficiency lately.
I would love if palleon thinks thrawn is coming back on the side of the empire, but instead comes back with the chiss expansionary defense fleet and is neither an ally of the new republic or Empire. Thrawn could realize the Empire was too evil and too corrupt but also see the new Republic as too weak. I could see him creating his own empire of the hand like in legends but with a new take on it. It could be made of former good imperials, Jedi, and new republic/ resistance that join him. I would love to see in the ahsoka show thinking he is the bad guy but we end up teaming up with him to save the chiss from the grysk. This could be why we don’t see ahsoka or sabine or ezra in the sequels, they could join Thrawn.
A bit of wish fulfillment here lol but it is not out of the realm of possibility. Thrawn might well have joined the Rebel Alliance if he thought they could bring order to the galaxy.
@@dustinjones7458 Oh yea definitely, more realistically it looks like he’ll be a bad guy but I do think he will not be allies with gideon since gideon went rogue. But it’s not impossible for thrawn to realize he underestimated the Jedi and overestimated the empire. If he comes back and sees the empire fallen apart he may become a third party enemy or ally.
The chiss don't invade other planets, they only fight in defense and colonise empty worlds
@@leonrussell9607 True. That doesn’t mean thrawn won’t on his own accord. Plus I don’t think he would invade, just try to stop the grysk and maybe some imperial remnants from expanding into chiss territory
@@GAJake "Oh yea definitely, more realistically it looks like he’ll be a bad guy"
I never thought of Thrawn as a bad guy in the books. He was on the Empire's side, but he was the closest that faction has ever had to a "lawful neutral" character, and I kind of found himself rooting for him at the end.
Have you ever head the tragedy of... the First, Galactic, Empire? Now you have
All those who gain power fear to lose it . ( palpatine)
you had me at chicken drumstick on desk
Come here for discussion, first thing notice is a fried chicken leg just sitting conspicuously on the table top.
Replaced the lightsaber with chicken.. a worthy trade.
Ivan Ooze: "Taking over the world (or galaxy) is one thing, but finding good help to run it for ya, THAT'S the killer".
Wait that came out of the Power Rangers movie?
The best prequel story would be something like the "Napoleon TV show". Napoleon started as an artillery officer and ended up as a monarch of France.
You mean like Anakin starting off as a lowly Jedi padawan/starfighter pilot and ending up as second in command to the Emperor? We've had that story.
@@jamesgravil9162 I think he means like an imperial officer, starting as a regional defence force soldier, moving into the GAR then into the imperial navy
@@kierano8390 Thrawn started off at the bottom of the imperial hierarchy and, earning recognition from Palpatine, eventually rose to become a Grand Admiral and one of the most powerful figures in the Empire. There are many similarities between him and Napoleon - they were both military geniuses. I would definitely watch a TV series chronicling Thrawn's rise to power.
@@jamesgravil9162 so you've answered your own question. we haven't had that kind of story, and that would be nice to see
@@jamesgravil9162 Napoleon ruled with a combination of intelligence and charisma. Thrawn is brilliant, but not that personable.
Fear makes people more susceptible to subjection therefore easier to control.
Love that we get to see more imperial warlord, but yeah all they want is more power.
The big irony is Palpatine wasn't killed by Luke or the rebellion. He basically set himself up to be killed and his pride clouded any force power that would make him realize it. So operation cinder is even more dumb because it punished loyal imperial worlds for his own failure.
I was watching Pelion like a hawk.😄 If they’re doing New Jedi Order then they might be tempted to adapt the Yuzhang Vong invasion and the Star Wars Galaxy uniting to fight them with “good” Imperial Remnant. Main thing he’s known for is that and ending the Galactic Civil War.
Plus, you could also adapt Jaina Solo becoming Empress with Fel to perhaps putting Rey into that role.
What is that lone chicken leg doing over there?
Ima be fr, I forgot abt this channel for like 6 years after loving it as a kid. Randomly stumbled upon it today, and I’m happy to see it’s still going strong :)
This was an amazing analysis video. It's nice to see you go in depth with the Empire since its nice to see the deeper part of these organizations and how they're more than what they appear to be on the surface. This was a great video and an amazing gift to watch on my birthday yesterday. So thank you and I'm looking forward to see what you do next.
That's not fried chicken on Allen's desk. I know Ewok tenders when I see it.
11:37: the dolphins and porpoises have corrupted Allen. It may already be too late.
Timestamp is after the end of the video.
Do you mean 1:37 ?
The problem with Palpi's rule is that he had no end goal (unless we count Uzhan Wong invasion which I don't like on many levels), he had a goal of destroying the Jedi and let him, self proclaimed sith, rule the Galaxy, and he brought some order in the beginning years of his rule (not to forget his aid and manipulations in CIS and GR conflict) but then he kinda did nothing and just messed around with no big plan in mind.
Kind of like Littlefinger in Game Of Thrones - the TV show, not the books. We don't know what LF's endgame in the books is, but in the TV show all he did was sow chaos and manipulate powerful people until it eventually backfired on him (should have seen that coming.) It's hard to see how he could have realised his goal of sitting on the Iron Throne, but I guess he was always destined to fail.
I honestly think Palpetine designed the Empire to fracture and turn on its self upon his death. If he couldn’t live, neither would his Empire.
Yes, and the only ways to bring these Warlords together are:
1. Be the Emperor
2. Be EXTREMELY good at your job (Thrawn)
3. Screw it. Kill the lot of them (Dalaa).
I view the situation in the galaxy as something akin to the aftermath Chinese (Xinhai) revolution, the imperial Regime was overthrown but much of the countryside is controlled by various warlords who were Governors/Commanders of the former regime. They not only reject the new government but also squabble with each other for power, but lack the means to threaten national government, but that government itself lacks means to exert authority over all its territory do to its own internal weakness, but the national government itself has the balance of power largely in it favor despite its problems.
That's a good comparison, I like that. I wonder, who that would make the characters in post-Endor Star Wars compared to post-Xinhai China. Mon Mothma, in that sense, would (kinda) be a stand-in for Sun Yat-sen, but what about everyone else?
@@occam7382 Thrawn would be Chang Hsueh-liang "the young Marshall", a flawed but heroic figure who saw the bigger threat over The horizon in the form of the Japanese empire and labored to get a semblance of unity for a united front. But in universe what is that threat?
@@cane6074, very nice. Also, if the Empire of Japan would be the big otherwordly threat for a divided China, then in Star Wars, they're obviously the Grysk/Yuuzhan Vong. Anyone else? What about Mao Zedong and Chiang Kai-Shek, who would their Star Wars counterparts be?
@@cane6074 Atleast in the Thrawn novel series it is the Grysk. The Ahsoka Show is said to explore the possibilities of other galaxies so an extra-galactic threat like the Yuuzhan Vong might come into play.
@@kungolaf4499, personally, I always liked to interpret it as the Grysk are the Yuuzhan Vong, but to the Chiss - and, byt extension, the rest of the galaxy - they're known as the Grysk.
1:36 I know Palpatine was a bad guy, but do you really think he would sink so low as to alie himself with dolphins?
You know. This epsidoe got me thinking How are their even really warlords left when all got exploded at jakku, exploding each other, or being hunted by the republic.
A select number of Imperials were specifically spared as they were given directions to the FO rally point during the Battle of Jakkut. NR didn't pursue fleeing ships heading to the Unknown Space and the rest benefited from their rivals pushing them to armpit locations.
Alan, is the chicken leg on the table next to you just your lunch? Or is it a cry for help that the dolphins have gotten to you?!? Whatever it may be, we're here for you brother.
And this is why evil never triumphs for long, as soon as the monsters in charge feel secure in their positions, they turn on each other. It's a waste of time and effort, which their enemies take advantage of, to devastating effect.
I think we forget the main goal of the sith, to cause pain and suffering. It makes them stronger. Why would he have anything set in stone. Organized chaos is how he controls the flow of suffering. If he dies it causes chaos and destruction. Plus the plan to destroy loyal worlds to cuase max suffering so he can re summon himself.
A lot of the bravest and most competent of the Imperial Navy and Imperial Army (etc) were killed in the Galactic Civil War. Imperial losses at Endor and Jakku were particularly harrowing for them, because some of their best officers were lost. The _Executor_ alone had a massive proportion of the Empire's best and brightest (and no, Admiral Firmus Piett wasn't necessarily one of them; though he was a talented survivor and climber of the ranks, staying on Vader's good side) ISB Admiral Garrick Versio was arguably a more competent and effective high ranking officer, though he was lost on Jakku, going down with his ship (the Eviscerator) 225,000 of the Empire's best and brightest died on the _Executor_ (alone) over Endor.
The Imperial Navy were suffering massive losses galaxy wide in spite of inevitably, surely inflicting very severe losses on multiple rebel forces simultaneously all over the galaxy. The more the atrophy of high quality officers continued, the worse the death spiral became. And although I dislike the whole Operation Cinder malarkey for a variety of reasons (it's way too predictable, and Deus Ex Machina in my view), canonically (sadly) yes there was that madness, too (like destroying Vardos and other Imperial loyalist worlds when the actual Palpatine would leave them for the rebels to take at as high a cost as possible, just out of spite; not auto-seppuku them just for the sake of making some bizarre point to further highlight Palpatine is a sick individual; yes, we get it, and he does not care, but he isn't that dumb. Well, at least, before The Rise Of Skywalker happened, but by that point all bets were off the writing got so atrocious)
Anyhow, the point is, the Imperials ended up being reduced to their lesser officers and standards obviously slipped, with extremists like Brendol Hux after Captain Pellaeon retreated from the Battle of Endor (as did Admiral Versio, himself as one of the last to leave, putting his ship in grave risk though for good reason, lurking in the debris field of the DSII until his daughter's Inferno Squad was ready to evacuate Endor after their mission was finished) The likes of Pellaeon, Versio and of course, Grand Admiral Thrawn, were vitally important to the Imperial remnants, and yet, they and so many others were forced to concede so much of Imperial space. It's ridiculous that the Galactic Empire allegedly collapsed 1 year and a month after Endor.
They'd more likely last a few years in an increasingly fractured and mutually destructive state. Thrawn's return will need to be done properly. The Seventh Fleet could be far more powerful than people think currently. However, as Filoni etc seems determined to walk lockstep with the dreadful sequels, he is steering things to be aligned with making that make any kind of sense (he will fail to, categorically) That said, Thrawn could really make a powerful impact on the galaxy. Obviously a lot of that will be saved for the Ahsoka series with the questionable, risky, Marvel-like attempt to have him be the Thanos of Star Wars. Coming along like a wrecking ball into multiple TV series.
We're just getting the foreshadowing of what he'll do next. Expect the Imperials to be kicking serious New Republic backside uphill and down dale. Though because of the Mandalorian element to this, maybe they'll suffer an initial setback on Nevarro (I guess) though how Nevarro will stop Thrawn even if the Mandalorians unite en masse, is debatable. Thrawn will likely stick it to the Imperial warlords as well, knowing they are untrustworthy. Look at Pellaeon, clearly knowing what is up and not trusting any of them. Least of all, Moff Gideon. Pellaeon was the most mild-mannered, at the Shadow Council (not at all an edgy name for bad guys in the secret bad guy club) Even so, I think people will underestimate Pellaeon (let alone Thrawn, his boss) and then he'll suddenly come along and thoroughly kick the stuffing out of anyone in his way in a naval battle. But I wouldn't hold my breath for that. Can't show the Empire being too competent now eh Filoni!
P.S - The only Imperial worth a damn in the sequels (and that includes Palpatine, very sadly, due to his mindless portrayal - as much as it was great to see McDiarmid going all out with his most well-known character again) was a certain Captain Moden Canady. I like him in that, he was an old Imperial in First Order service, visibly 'done' with all the newbie First Order know-nothings around him. He was barking orders at them because he was genuinely experienced as a veteran from the Galactic Civil War, and although he was killed, he died like a true Imperial, on the bridge of his own warship, without fear. He faced death sternly and stoically, as the young First Order crew under his command understandably panicked. It makes one wonder if he pitied them or felt ashamed.
Although, he was only a minor character and killed off all too quickly (along with an obscene number of officers, Stormtroopers and crew, on that _Mandator IV_-class Siege Dreadnought, the Fulminatrix aka flying Dorrito), he was still clearly interesting. I read up his character and I was actually impressed. One of the rare wins of the sequels. Someone actually had the thought at least to pad out his character backstory a bit. Just a shame nobody cared enough to show that character backstory and development on-screen except for the actor's perfect portrayal _for_ that backstory. It is entirely convincing that he was an old Imperial, sick to the back teeth with the upstart First Order wannabes under his command.
He sounds and looks so tired of their BS. Again, I liked that. But there was something else, too; he had an almost paternal presence there, and was just done with their inexperience and yet didn't want them to die. He may have disliked them for their exuberant arrogance - coming from a time when, yes, arrogance wasn't unknown to the Imperial Navy, though it was at least professional, most of the time - yet he wasn't leading them poorly (other than targeting the planetary base first, which wasn't his fault, just bad writing making him do it)
Although the entire scene was a mess with the defences of the massive ship being taken out too easily, and the destruction of this 'fleet killer' being entirely contrived and unconvincing, I felt as though Captain Canady would have been an interesting figure if he'd been allowed to survive the first act of the film -.-' It was a shame. He was actually semi-competent and working for the First Order. That must have been a rare sight in that organisation. Then again, Allegiant-General Enric Pryde, almost looked as though he was going to be impressive, until he forgot how to fly up.
With what you said about the awful loses over Endor, that's the reason Ciene in Lost Stars becomes captain of a star destroyer at only twenty-five.
One of the ways in which Palpatine ruled and kept his subordinates under control was by playing them off against each other, encouraging backstabbing, scheming and rivalries. This pretty much assured that in his absence things would quickly fall apart. Only he was too arrogant to ever consider the possibility.
“…for his own porpoises”, Alan? Sir, I fear you’ve been compromised. The dolphins 🐬 are controlling you. 😉
Dang those dolphins.
Yeah the empire has a lot of internal problems that Palatine did because of the sith ideology. Great video
0:15 did you really have to call me out like that 😂 💀
In Mandalorian chapter 23, Gideon was that competent leader. He actually delivered on his promises. And wasn't shy of admitting his own failures. Bo is the one who seeks leadership, but only have nice words to back up that leadership. And that is why she failed and Gideon won. But prior to chapter 23, she was the effective leader. She was solving actual problems and didn't bother much about delivering inspirational speeches. Because action is better than words. It even showed in chapter 22, where she paralyzed the head of security during one of such speeches/rants about how Count Dooku was visionary, with explanation "politics". Different writers delivered the opposite view on the same issue.
Same thing happened in The book of Boba Fett. From the start, he was effective leader/problem solver, helping other people solve their problems. At the end, his character changed and he became the problem maker, while whining about how oppressed he is. And waiting for the help from the outside. While the effective leader, like Gideon from chapter 23, Bo from earlier chapters and Boba from the beginning of his book was the help from the outside.
Another great vid GenTech.
Took me over 3 minutes to realize there’s a random piece of fried chicken right there.
"... his own porpoises..." *smirks*
You can just see Palleaon's exasperaruon with the other warlords refusing to follow orders
He's actually a good officer mixed in with the opportunists that came up in Palpatine's system. There's a reason he's Thrawn's successor.
I'm hereby going with: everyone dies in the finale.
Maybe Grogu or the Armourer survive, but if they're setting up the return of Thrawn for the Ahsoka series, then he might actually take out Gideon, even if he's been using Gideon all along ...
The problem with the Empire is that it was just as much a madhouse as any Sith academy was. The moment the big daddy goes away, everyone wants to be him or form their own little kingdom. In Dark Empire and Crimson Empire, these yahoos betrayed the Emperor when he came back. Palpatine had the rebels by the ropes, it didn't matter how many times they killed him, he can respawn with clones, and his unifying presence alone was enough to keep the New Republic at bay. Yet some deep-state Imperial warlords who enjoyed the taste of freedom the rebels gave them after Palpatine's death on Endor were unsatisfied with his return, and so, they bribed his physician to poison the clone bodies the Emperor used, which led to him having to go full suicide mission to steal a body from the Skywalkers, which predictably ended in his demise.
Once the Empire fell under Jedi leadership after the Second Galactic Civil War, the Empire became more stable, and the Jedi version of the Empire successfully lasted all the way to the end of the Legends timeline as the premier power in the galaxy, with the Sith half of the Empire being defeated and the Alliance reduced to a rump state that was ironically enough, ruled by a military junta led by a warlord.
Having Jedi rule an authoritarian regime doesn't sound better to me 💀 Star Wars really likes undermining its own message.
@@Hello-bi1pm When the Jedi ruled it, the Empire wasn't authoritarian. More like enlightened despotism, as in, they'll listen to people making suggestions so long as it's within reason.
It will be a thrwn against gideon, hux will step out of the way and let them kill eachother, our ghost crew will have to decide who they will support or be like Hux
I cant be the only one who sees Sloane and Thrawn as the only competent not wanting their own personal fiefdoms leadership among the post Endor remnants? For the record my view of Sloane comes from the Aftermath book series.
You are a cool dude ... let's smoke a Peace Pipe !!! Lol
video idea - with all the shows iv kinda lost track of the order of events at this point so i would appreciate a timeline for rebels the bad batch andor the Mandalorian and maybe even the upcoming shows
1:34 "He just wanted it to work better for his own porpoises." Is that a hint of anti dolphin sentiment I hear?
1:35 just wanted it to work for his own porpoises
I really hate how Disney use dialogue, they feel like they have to explain everything to the audience in the face with unnecessarily long explanation, back and forth question and answer conversation
😂😂 bro had me dying when he dissed the boi’s face
Another good analysis
Is no one gonna bring up the fried chicken on his desk?
Well spoken
If they brought back people like Thrawn and Pelleaon are being brought back from Legends, I pray we'll see Mara Jade up there someday.
I doubt we’ll ever see Mara Jade given how the Sequels are a thing and we all know what happens to the New Jedi Order there.
Random Imperials are easier to bring back than wife of Luke Skywalker with how the sequel is
Pray 🙏 mara Jade returns
Those specialists could become the sycophants, though. Like how the term "czar" was adopted in the early 00's in regards to an appointed regulator.
There's always going to be ego and bias in governance, whether dictator or democracy, so long as there is gains to be made for oneself at the expense of others, and so long as the citizens have enough to do in their own lives that it's untenable to devote time to shaping governance to be both ethical and accountable.
Honestly, they have done well to last this long. I would love if a few of them survived the end of the Final Order and just flat out ignore Rey pleas.
Some think that one of the point of Operation Cinder was to create suffering in true believers. Then use that disturbance in the Force (especially in the Dark Side) to empower Sidious spirit in Chaos. Chaos as in Star Wars hell were Sith go when they die (rather than rejoining the Force in Heaven?). So using all the Dark Side power created by Cinder to empower Sidious so he could break out of Chaos and return to the world of the living.
Nice FDR references 😊
There are so many plot contrivances to make the empire overly evil and incompetent.
Your sociological angle is fantastic.
One thing about the Empire is Palpatine, in true Sith fashion, intentionally set the Empire up to where he was the only person in it who’s power would be unchallenged and therefore it would fracture to pieces without him. The way the shadow council is operating is just the way we see the Imperial Remnant in Legends.
From almost the moment the second Death Star was destroyed, various high ranking Imperial officers staked their own claims. We see Grand Admiral Grunger and Grand Admiral Pitta declaring themselves warlords and gathering forces. I mentioned those two specifically because they highlighted the Imperial Remnant’s worse quality in Legends: they were the Empire in name only and saw no reason to even pretend to work together in the name of the Empire. Really, it was a bunch of ex-Imperial personnel and equipment serving the personal goals of the local leader. None of them really had any goals towards reestablishing the Empire, merely solidifying their own power base and dealing with the New Republic as it got in their way. Thrawn in Legends, just like how canon is alluding to, was the only one who actually had the intelligence and power to unite the remnant into something resembling the Empire they came from.
You gonna eat that chicken?
Becoming comfortable with Positions of Power is a Major topic you hit on. One that plagues modern politics. Also the reason why George Washington is so revered for his ability to step down as president after just two terms. A tradition, that while attempted, wasn't broken until FDR and then officialized in the 22nd Amendment. An Act which reputedly led King George III to have said that if George Washington relinquished the presidency after his second term (versus becoming a dictator/monarch) he would be “the greatest character of the age.”
They care more about appearance than competence.
why is there a piece of chicken on your desk
Okay, at 1:36, he says "work better for his own porpoises."
"His on porpoises"😂😂 I caught that
PORPOISES!!! Ahahahahahaaaa!
I see what you did there!
1:35
While the Thrawn of legends was a great politician the current one is not, however I’m happy to Gilad back in the mix, hopefully he gets a spin off and becomes supreme commander of the imperial remanant
Who else was starring at that chicken wing the whole time ?
Thrawn is gonna return and secretly gonna prepare the galaxy for the coming invasion. The war with the Yuuzhan Vong
So, what would you call the Galactic Republic during the Prequels and Clone Wars and the Separatist Alliance. Both don’t exactly have a completely united government, but they seem able to set aside their differences in wartime and unite. Clones, Droids, and Jedi aren’t backstabbers by nature and work together well. Separatist and Republic officers on the other hand are far more like Imperial officers.
The Galactic Republic prior to the Clone Wars was a flawed democracy, with an apathic, corrupt, and squabbling government, a bloated and inefficient bureaucracy, and a near total absence of government presence in a large portion of its claimed territories. After the Clone Wars began, Republic slowly transformed into an autocracy in all but name, trading the corrupt and bickering Senate, ineffective bureaucracy, and lack of government authority into a one-party dictatorship, a massive authoritarian bureaucracy, and near total military control of its territory. The Confederacy, meanwhile, was an authoritarian corporatist state masqurading as a parliamentary republic. The Separatist Parliament, like the Galactic Senate, had little to no power while the powerful megacorporations of the Separatist Council and their Droid Armies really ran the show.
ok cool. but what about the chicken?
@Generation Tech, I have a question, if the Armorer is a Spy for Maul or the Empire, then would that mean that the Armorer is Rook Kast. The female Mandalorian warrior who led the Shadow Collective's super commandos during the Clone Wars alongside Gar Saxon and Almec. Because Last time I checked she participated in the Siege of Mandalore, but this led to defeat and Kast's capture at the hands of Bo-Katan Kryze.
Which means she might still be alive by this time.
Military leaders backstabbing each other is a common practice in any military in a nation with totalitarian dictatorship such as either a fascist or communist. Generals within the military leadership of the Third Reich always backstabbed their rivals. Some like Rommel and Guderian were nearly untouchable, however with the Valkyrie incident Rommel's name was dropped so he was suspected as a conspirator. Which he was given the choice of committing suicide, or the regime was going to not only kill him but his entire family. In Communist regimes the ones that kiss the most ass to the party get the roles of leadership. They are not always the most experienced when it comes to leading. In the United States corrupt career politicians always appoint those to roles of leadership based on the group/groups they represent to sway supporters of those groups as voters to vote for them in elections. They generally do not give a shit about them outside of that. They are rarely ever experienced in leading. But hey it's a dude trying to be a gal that can't decide what bathroom to use. But let's put them in charge of a carrier task force or a squadron of aircraft. Like the enemy really cares about pronouns people use.
What surprises me is that even though there is a clear chain of command in case the Emperor dies, nobody seemed to care about it. The one to immediately take over is the Grand Vizier, but all high ranking imperial officers and politicians somehow decided it is time not to follow protocol and just form their own factions. Imperial High Command ? What is that ? Never heard of it, bye.
HA! His own porpoises.
Not sure if you've done this, but I'd love if you played this audio in the background while watching a documentary about FDR
The Empire wasn't designed to last in the long term unless Palpatine achieved immortality. The dysfunction was deliberate on many levels. There was no established succession. Vader was hated and feared by too many high-ranking Imperials to rely on the support of the military and civilians would never accept him as a new emperor. By setting his senior military against each other, Palpatine denied any one of them enough power to stage a coup. This is why Tarkin (who could be easily shot if necessary) was in command of the Death Star I rather than Vader, and why Palpatine kicked Vader off the Death Star II the moment he arrived and settled into his new throne room. Operation Cinder would cause the galaxy to hate the Imperial remnant, thus guaranteeing civil war. The entire Empire was designed to collapse without Palpatine.
Is no one else going to talk about the chicken leg? Ok.
Seriously though, you bring ups ome good points about the fatal mistakes a regime like this can make.
Do we know everyone in the meeting with Moff Gideon or is it just him and Hux's dad and Thrawn's right hand that are known members
I think a few of them are addressed by name, but I don't recall any others that stuck out
I think that may be to show that the empire was a massive thing, not just tarkin, the stormtroopers, vader & sidious, it's a universe thing, where the series writers want to make us understand that this is a huge galaxy, and a huge empire
Most. Who don't like government. Go to the woods like Yavin. How come I didn't see any one not fighting the empire but nothing to do with the empire
Palpatine made an inner circle impossible to have and yet u need one for a authoritarian regime to work
Oh lord. Imagine if Palpatine had a motive beyond the subjugation of the galaxy and was more interested in just killing off all the Jedi, and rule of the Republic was just a happy side effect.
The more you hurt people the more they will be inclined to work against you. And then one day there are more of them then there are of you.
In my point of view there is some various factions of Warlords. For example some are in The Shadow council and who knows ?
Can you make a video on what possibly happened to Rae Sloane.
Am I the only wine starting at that piece of chicken that’s in frame?
The real problem is Hux not being able to put his lid on straight….