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Smash 64 Combo Contest - Super Smash Con 2018
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- Super Smash Con 2018 - Smash 64 Combo Contest
Broadcasted live on Twitch -- Watch live at / vgbootcamp
Shout outs to PapaPaint for the thumbnail image!
/ papapaintvids
6:36 hype combo
12:04 nailed last try combo
15:04 safety combo?
15:57 actual combo?
19:27 Prince damage boosting combo first attempt
20:30 Prince nails his combo (First ever perfect 10)
23:45 Red Shell Star Rod Falcon Punch combo
26:30 First try Mushroom Kingdom combo
33:38 DK Piranha Plant combo
45:15 Giant Punch charged throughout combo
47:30 Crazy Red Shell Blaster combo (FIRST TRY)
53:25 back up combo
56:30 Double Home Run Bat combo
1:06:22 closest attmpt
1:15:30 finishing combo
Alexander Gee thanks
Thank you!
best comment. Was gonna look for a montage otherwise
Ty dude
god bless you sir
Next year they should put up all their scores at the same time so no one gets influenced by one of the previous judges scores
Samiullah Khan IM GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS!!!
Samiullah Khan and in my opinion they should have a Rating from 1-10 and not 5-10. Let's hope
Jan Sparenberg it's 5-10? Thats quite deceitful.
Angel Zabala i think its not 5-10 but nobody goes below 5
Ninjaslades Realm Hmm but they said, that prince will get at least 25 points for his combo even if he drop it
59:55 wtf this flexible hand ESAM
Eww
His fingers are insanely hypermobile
Holy shit
that made me hurt, but now we know that something helps him move his fingers in time
i can do that
The reason why prince gets such a high score is people don’t want to see dry hard technical combos, they like to see crazy item combos that are creative.
As a filthy casual who knows nothing about Smash beyond its existence, I always find that the combos like Prince's and Tacos' are my favourites to watch. They're the most visually interesting and the showmanship is amazing, even for someone not versed in the intricacies of the game. The second combo in this vid got me so fucking hyped and I can't stop watching it, purely for the reaction of the crowd, judges and commentators.
You also have to think about how prince needs perfect timing to get his combo to work and di with lsi also have to be perfect for the damage boost to work. That’s why prince got a 50.
@@solarstream4144 Literally everyone's combo needed perfect timing for it to work. His weren't the most difficult, but definitely the most visually pleasing.
When you realize that the only reason that smashcon exists is so that Isai can make a public appearance
P E D R O lmaooo
P E D R O Isai is as cool as 64 tho
I hate when parents spell their kids name wrong. Smh
@@snouts9080
Isai is pronounced eye-zay-uh
While yours is (probably) pronounced eye-shuh
@@buttery_gooch6 It was a joke in the first place and nope. My name is pronounced the same as his :P
This is the most bizzare niche gaming competition I've ever stumbled into
Aren't you glad you did :)
wihmib yes
whats bizzare about it?
Welcome
26:49 esam and darkhorse saying "first try" in perfect sync
yo wat to fuck???
holy shit, what? :o
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME
Watch the Red Shell combo again for each judges face, u won't regret it.
47:40
DI and his water was hilarious.
You were right.
ESAM when prince pulled out the ray gun tho
You can See very much Emotion FrOm isai
Nice combo
IT'S ROUND ONE, PRINCE.
IT'S ROUND ONE.
100/100.
He did the exact same thing last year, saving his best combo for round one. It was a 49, iirc.
You should do your best combo round 1 because you're against the most people / most likely getting eliminated in R1
I thought you were joking but holy shit I was wrong
Eric Estrada don’t think that’s what this person means
Have to make sure it's really good!
The judges should really reveal their answers all at once, to avoid the classic peer pressure conformity issue like in the line comparison experiment.
Marlowe Preston definitely agree with this. This removes deciding between 2 numbers
Not only that, the judges shouldn't be able to see the player, so they stop the BIAS towords Prince... .
DrunkSheep101 that’s not a bad idea but I mean, how would they even go about that lol
Wow !! @@DrunkSheep101
@@Alphacarmine72 Put them in a seperate room where they can't hear the commentators and only see the gameplay. Judges shouldn't be there to be entertained, they"re there to work and give an objective opinion.
I was laughing so hard. After prince completes his 2nd combo, 48:12, the audience holds up a score of 100 million
47:57
最後のレイガン当たる前に当たるの確信して立ち上がるのかっこいい
It is cool to stand up with conviction that he will hit the last Raygan.
Damn, I was really hoping N/A would win this year, he's been looking really good
Big Frost jeez...
Big Frost Take a joke
Big Frost you’re just mad that you’re not as good as N/A
WontedTunder no ones as good as N/A, besides prince of course
GamingFiddler I know he's my favorite
Prince combos be like:
Everyone: He's gonna finish it with a falcon punch.
Prince: Kills himself, respawns, continues the combo.
2:10 Fox
6:35 DK
12:04 CF
15:57 Yoshi
20:17 Pikachu
23:41 CF
26:32 Link
33:30 DK
38:39 Samus
45:15 DK
47:38 Yoshi
53:24 Link
56:26 Fox
1:02:35 Pikachu (failed)
1:11:32 CF (failed)
1:15:30 Yoshi
RogerWazup007 thxxx
Prince is Sakurai in disguise
Fire Starter at the start I was like, "woah really?" Then you just gradually deteriorate to craziness
Fire Starter, you sir... Are a true genius, and have made my day.
The masked man
@Mentlegen and as Well being asleep
Sakurai? Don't insult Prince like that.
HIGHLIGHTS
2:10 Hipstur
6:34 Tacos R1
12:02 Alvin R1
15:52 Razz R1
20:18 Prince R1
23:40 Jaimehr R1
26:31 Kort R1
Round 2
33:34 Kort R2
38:55 Jaimehr R2
45:16 Tacos R2
47:35 Prince R2
Round 3
53:24 Kort R3
56:40 Price R3
Kort R3 Combo 2 DNF
Prince R3 Combo 2 DNF
JiggySSBM Omg thank you
Although it's not what he was attempting, Prince R3 Combo 2 does have a finish at 01:09:37.
I think a truly fair combo contest would involve the judges watching all the combos first and then giving scores, so they arent influenced by anything.
Clingfilm Productions That would make for a consummately unentertaining event.
Clingfilm Productions they still would be influenced though.
that wont do anything. You'll still have recency bias in the tournament based on what you saw last and comparing what someone does to the person who went before them and worse right before them.
TcDaGod then do them all at the same time idiot.
Sorry chief that's not how you run a contest.
Super Smash Con is just the NBA All-Star weekend of the Smash with all these events
I love how the crowd works together to give out 100,000,000 points
If Kort got it...my god the RNG. The crowd would have lost their mind.
they suck at scoring, lol
i agree
Yea
I don't disagree a rule set wouldn't do no harm.
You forgot to capitalize the "T" in "They"
Yea and last year they pissed me off when one of the contestants did a crazy combo and they gave him 8 and 7 but prince doesnt even do a combo and fails and ohh its prince lets give him 9 and 8 for a failed combo
"Prince sits on the chair"
- Judges " OMFG let's give him a perfect score !!"
I mean...my God. That was amazing. Jesus damage boost?
26:30 That guy was robbed, his run was insane.
Definitely
Still bothers me, that’s a clean 10 right there
They should put a timer when they're comboing, so we could see how much time they've got left.
Wow,that ending was anticlimactic 😭
Clueless Lawdamercy Ruthless I wish he did the red shell blaster combo last
He's tired. Gamers mess up when they're tired.
esam's face all the way past 47:40 for prince is just a rollercoaster of emotions
FIRST ROUND
2:10 HIPSTUR
6:34 TACOS
12:02 ALVIN
15:04, 15:56 RAZZ
20:16 PRINCE
23:39 JAIMEHR
26:26 KORT
SECOND ROUND
33:30 KORT
38:54 JAIMEHR
45:14 TACOS
47:35 PRINCE
FINAL
53:24 KORT
56:26 PRINCE
58:46 KORT
1:05:38 PRINCE
1:15:28 PRINCE
thx
Damn, the ending was quite sad. But the 47:35 ...
That was AMAZING!
I don't play or watch smash 64 but holy shit Prince is amazing
The only one that was impressive was prince's first one
Mario Boy77 I dunno, taco was pretty flashy with his dk combo
Angel Zabala duuude the mid combo slo-mo?? I channeled my inner D1 during that lol
FalcoSSBM what I said last year
@@dayber1676 but the second round, Prince took things to the next level of mind blown red shell combo
I love how the commentator's "first try" lines up with Esam saying it. 26:49
there is a lot of emotional manipulation going on when scoring these combos regardless of actual difficulty.
I've noticed a few patterns in the scoring from judges.
decent combo + few tries = comes off as cheap and easy
decent combo + many tries = builds tension, therefore higher score.
decent combo + gimmick = hype beast
decent combo + more skill + no gimmick = weak beast
great combo + many tries + gimmick = impressive, climatic, and kreygasm
first judge's score sets the tone for the rest of the judge's scores
crowd cheer volume = bonus
being prince = bonus
having a certain character = bonus
Conclusion:
more tries>less tries
gimmick>skill
power kills>weak kills
anticipation>observation
In my opinion, the most fair way to judge a combo contest (BASED ON SKILL AND PRESENTATION) is to individually show the judges an already completed recording of each contestants combos and have them rate the recordings in order from least to greatest without knowing who performed the combos. Add up the ranks of each player after every round and you get a winner. But the downside of this method of judging, would be that you are eliminating the challenge of actually completing the combo in a certain duration. Overall, its less hype. However, you would be getting a more accurate scoring based off skill, not clouded by player bias, or ambient bias. This isn't like ice skating or another sport that pays attention to all the moves you make with a set amount of values for you to rack up in a certain amount of time. No, this contest is about the anticipation, hype, and whether you are having a good day or a bad day while judging.
imagine if the scoring was like
+15 for weak hit fox upairs
+25 for falcon punch
+20 points for pivot jabs
+10 points for ledge cancels
shit would get boring real quick.
I don't follow combo videos, but i just had thought about the contest as i was watching and I realized that I care more about how i feel about the combos rather than the judge's scores and how irrelevant the scores are to the actual enjoyment of the seeing these combos come to life.
I kinda get what your saying, but I really don't see the "bias" argument I LOVE Prince, and was rooting for him, but near the end I was like come on Kort show them what your made of!!
but if he got that combo, then he'd win. And Prince gaining extra points for being Prince I feel like people just feel like "Oh, he's a really good player, so I hope to see someone step up and dethrone him." (Doesn't happen) "Well that was expected." , and characters meaning something. I have no issues with any of the judges but they do seem to be amateurs to judging (some of them). But I don't feel changing the system would do much. They all did amazing, but what he did broke some of what many of them could even imagine, therefore it spiked his results IMO. But even then Prince did have an incompleted combo, which I kinda see some bias there, but they showed love to others. It would have been neat to see Prince dethroned. But he worked towards winning, his combo was something unnatural (via round 2). And they even just hoped for all of them to get by, there not biased, but I can see how people would believe so. But yeah they all did amazing and I understand the flashiness beating it out, but they all had an opinion, that being it doesn't have to be technical, just has to be making the crowd go wild. And also that it just has too look good and the wow factor. Not to mention the compliments they gave other contestants. That's my side of things. (Sorry if this is a sloppy response, I am not good at arguing points).
yeah this was kind of silly, I've never watched anything like this and don't know shit about this game, but this video/event was kind of disappointing
I agree, but the whole gimmicky > skill makes sense from an entertainment standpoint. It's safe to assume everyone there understands Smash64 at a technical level, but that's not the point. The point it to great some flashy moves. Yes, it does take skill to perform such moves. But understanding certain mechanics and utilizing items/moves in ways they aren't usually used it far more entertaining than watching the same combos.
You and me both.
"I don't follow combo videos, but i just had thought about the contest as i was watching and I realized that I care more about how i feel about the combos rather than the judge's scores and how irrelevant the scores are to the actual enjoyment of the seeing these combos come to life."
Flashy is entertaining man. If you watch the dunk contest, flashiness and gimmicks are everything
Prince is actually a god
Sadly not a flawless one, but most definitely an awesome one! o3o
Nareth Erakian I see that you're fun at parties...
I mean, whe failed to produce a combo in the final round. But when he completes one, it's absolutely awesome. >_>
Nareth Erakian You missed my point completely.
Then make your point more clear next time? o_O
6:35 - My favorite combo in this contest, even with Prince's madness!
I agree, that combo was awesome
I felt that one a bit overrated. So I completely disagree that it can even be compared to Prince's! I also like Kort's 1st combo better than Tacos', the slow-mo gimmick was way overrated.
Not saying Tacos didn't do a DAMN AMAZING combo, though!!!
the slow down built it up so perfectly
47:38 DI’s face just progressively gets better and I love it
Prince is actually Sakurai, that's why he's wearing the mask
I loved this video, but there are some clear bias problems amongst the judges, the rating at 1:12:19 would NEVER be given to anyone else who wasn't prince
Sebastian Kock cuz he’s prince
Sebastian Kock I do agree but even if they gave him the same score as kort he still would have won (he needed 26 max)
^ this, they could of put up any number & nothing would have changed, so they just put up any number there
no actually a 25 would’ve tied him with kort. learn how to count idiot
so he needed 26 max, and he definitely did enough for more than that, just rate the combo @1:09:40
Man I love Prince’s combos just as much as the next guy but there is so much bias towards him in these.
The problem is, players are coming there with these dry ass combos. YES, they are hard, BUT, if you know you are going up against somebody flashy, why do you keep doing these dry ass combos?
Also, players need to learn combos with toons that they don't use. Make up a Ice Climber combo or something, THAT SHIT WOULD BE CRAZY!
cantankerous I know they aren't in the public contest but they are in the home versions.
But they should just have them there just for the contest only.
Stealth Star No dude. Ice climbers as a character didn’t exist in 64
Benjamin Prasifka Super Smash Melee (Yes), 64 version, (No).
Stealth Star None of these guys lab combos in melee because the only smash game that lends itself well to combo contests is 64. An Icies combo would just be a desync showcase
*Smash Con 2019*
Prince: "You have already lost"
Azabien yea...about that...
Prince combo's
20:10
47:38
56:28
man... never felt so blue balled like that... these last two combos. But everybody who get Combos like these guys are awesome
Watching Isai go from serious to smile at 6:55 makes my heart smile'
Link on mushroom kingdom first try at 26:30 should have been a 50 no doubt. The judging was terrible.
I agree so much
But he wasn't Prince.
I definitely agree that it shouldve been AT LEAST a 45. 44 was pretty insulting of a score imo.
cause for real though your opinions don't matter on something that was 2018 and already finished with you would judge differently everyone else would judge differently no one thinks in the same way for people like you to make assumptions based on nothing ruins the whole point of what having judges are for if the entire audience had its way in this contest every single combo would be a perfect 50. so instead of keep jerking each other off agreeing about something that literally means nothing because for the love of god ITS A CONTEST FOR FUCKING FUN your suppose to watch and enjoy thats it thats the whole point of it.... why don't you guys go do something with your lives instead? maybe go help some poor community thats struggling just anything but complain on the internet about a contest that happened almost a year ago at this point that will literally do nothing to change anything. you guys are literally the worst of youtube comments you guys say stuff just to get a positive reaction from people who agree even if its for something stupid because you want the attention. its time for a reality check guys go look at yourselves in the mirror and look at what you have become and contemplate what to do with the rest of your life instead of act like your a professional judger of a competition of a game made in 1999
Isai was prolly just thinking "I could do that shit in my sleep".
47:38
That's definitely my favorite combo out of all the contests
Prince got the first and second ever perfect scores in the same contest... Prince needs to just be renamed God already
Prince never ceases to amaze me. Like, his combos are absolutely crazy.
30:01 holy shit that guy in the back looks just like vsauce
He does lmao
skull_is_dull vsauce likes smash?
Hey!
skull_is_dull I noticed that lol
Or is he?
Prince surely is an amazing smash player and nails the combos-- but watching this, I can't help but feel as if the judges are bias towards Prince because he is fan favourite, giving him straight 10s each time. I feel the judges should also show their cards all at once-- to eliminate peer presure. Good show though, all of these people are damn good players! Prince deserved to win, no doubt about it-- but I feel the judges were poor at giving the scores, flipping 9 and 10's as if it was nothing, and then calling an 8 a ''disappointment''. Isn't it 1-10? Shouldn't 7-8 shouldn't be bad scores, but the judges were too quick to give ''too high scores'' I think, and therefore making it seem like everything underneath a 9 or 10 was ''mediocre'', when it shouldn't be.
The scoring system used here is actually on a 5-10 scale. So really 7 or 6 is the closest middle grounds on the scale. And everyone preformed fantastically, a lot of new tricks and showmanship was used which is paired well with technical prowess. However I do agree with you that the scores where oddly high this time around.
You guys acting like the crowd wasn't chanting for 10s after that yoshi shell combo
@@solamanhuq7780 The crowd was chanting for 10's the entire contest
@@gunslinger9786 I'm talking about the commentors. The crowd new where it was at.
Never rewinded a video more in my LIFE.
Facts
did they seriously give that amazing technical fox combo like 7s and 8s? but then because the cpt used a falcon punch it gets 9s?
John Benis lmao, 🅱️enis
:'(
Seriously, are you the real delibird man?
haha yeah
flashiness is more important than technical skill, this is a people's tournament
You can literally watch boom and Isai change their scores at 39:55 because of what the other judges gave. This scoring system blows
I watched the clip where they scored and it's just that the first paper wasn't the score they were going for. They never changed the order of the cards in till the end so what may have happened was that they didn't have the score they wanted on top and didn't bother to change it before scoring.
You might be right, but it could just be the card that they wanted was not on the top and they shuffled the cards to find it
I used to come back to this video to see D1’s reactions, I feel so disappointed...
Wdym?
Fuck D1
@@saefae_ look it up
D1 came out innocent in the end watch his latest video.
7:34 “The combo wasn’t difficult”
1:07:05 “The combo doesn’t have to be difficult”
._. ok then
Mikey lmao it really be like that sometimes tho
look hard af like even when he throw the fan down it has to be at a certain time to make the guy bounce back.
"Doesn't have to be the "most" difficult." As he said in the video. Don't twist words around man. He also stated it had to be enough to get people out of their seats, which shouldn't be the best thing in the world.
@@mikefloww so are you
Timothy Parham what about the first one?
why I love smash
64 is basically a combo game
Melee is competitive
Brawl is broken fun
Smash4 is a pretty well balanced game if you ban beyo
All Smash games have broken fun in them. Thats not really a distinction for Brawl
Tr4sh has rage and 1 good character, even if you do ban her it's still heavily match up dependent
Bayo isn't completely broken anymore, learn to Smash DI.
Katrin G who are you, leo?
People that came later have completely lost the concept of what a super smash bros was all about. The combos and the physics was what made Super Smash Bros so special.
Hopefully one year they'll let Clubba be a judge. The dude knows more than the non 64 judges.
I've been following this for a while now and this has by far the best performances of the previous years.
47:38 this is just some next level shit
yea that sets the bar high for future perfect scores i think.
Hands down the best combo. Ever. Even Kort's RNG-reliant one wouldn't have topped this even if successful.
64 is the closest we'll ever get to a perfect-for-combos smash.
7:00 i think Esam is trying to turn into a titan
Even more hype is playing Tacos combo at 6:49 at .25 speed in TH-cam
6:58 dude Esam wasn't even watching for most of the combo & still game him a 10
He wasn’t looking at the parts he’s already seen he saw near the end.
I think they should change the format so everyone plays all the rounds and the score's are totalled.
These players probably put so much work into their combos. It's a shame we don't get to see them all.
"ooh an 8 isai is not impressed"
wtf kinda judging system is it when 10 is still perfect but 8 is bad lol
Why, the kind of judging system where judges can only issue a minimum of 5 points. Basically, 8 here=3 stars out of 5.
PRINCE IS A ACTUALLY A GOD
I feel like if any of them did the exact same combos as prince the would get a lower score
For real. I believe Prince was overscored for that incomplete combo, his scores should have been closer to korts, 7s maybe an 8.
i see some butthurts right here xd
I disagree. Prince's combos were original and breathtaking. Perhaps not the most difficult ones, but they blew everyone's mind. Even in the last one, pulling the opponent back from a fall throwing a fan?! Scores aren't just about technical ability (which he surely doesn't lack), but also innovation and emotion.
@@mrknarf4438 still, he shouldnt get 9s for an incompleted combo.
@@mrknarf4438 the whole point of a *combo* competition is *actually completing a combo* any incompleted combos should be a 0 imo
Why does darkhorse look like keem star shaved
I keep going to 47:38 just to watch everybody's individual reactions. Absolute madman
The excitement of competitive Smash is infectious.
6:59 That laugh sounds like the sound effect when you skip the dialogue messages in sm64
If I was any contestant other than prince I wouldn't be coming back next year. Guy's hard enough to beat without having the judges give him freebies.
Never ever did I ever think I would watch a TH-cam video over an hour long in its entirety, But I did see some cool combo action on a platform that is falling gracefully to antiquity...Thank you!
Gotta love it when one announcer is clearly not paying attention to what the other is saying and goes "alright alright" when they finish and starts talking about what they wanna talk about.
My personal score system is like:
25 - 29 pts (5s & 6s) = failed combo
30 - 35 pts (6s & 7s) = incomplete combo
36 - 40 pts (7s & 8s) = good technique
41 - 45 (8s & 9s) pts = nice execution
46 - 50 pts (9s & 10s) = stylish and technical execution
I kinda wish the judges had a similar-ish guideline.
9s & 10s = do next level shit, or be prince by default.
@@yellowlemonPenguin True lol
They should have just let him finish the combo
Prince: **sits**
everyone: 100/100 **screaming in bg**
The way the smile spreads across Isai's face at the 6:50 combo warms my heart
Prince will go undefeated till 2020
34:29 somebody make this a meme.
this is the first time I see a combo contest and i must say that DI is the best thing I've seen in all the contest
Always looking forward to Prince's combos. He's a combo wizard.
The controversy begins.
Dont get me wrong prince has some really nice combos but the judges are really riding on him
He deserves it. He's fucking dope man.
Prince gave us a live example of "if you're going to do something, you gotta do it in style"
prince was living in 2020 in 2018
This judging was so bias lol
Blackbird2937
... Yeah. It's a contest of showmanship. It's going to come down to opinions. That's what JUDGING is.
McBehrer but like prince got 10 bonus points just for being prince. I’m not saying he wasn’t good but it was very clear that the judges liked something a lot more if prince did it.
I see some butthurts right here lol
@@McBehrer no,competition judging is observing for skill this was just flat out "I like him so he gets a 9 on a failed combo"
@@sebastianlogan963 i SeE sOMe bUtTHurTs rIgHT hErE LoL
you watch this..and you see all the fails...but as soon as they land the final combo its AMAZING
The Pikachu combo really *BLEW* our minds! 😁
6:37 is best moment
Dam those are Dope combos from Prince nice job! Let's go PRINCE🇯🇵
Indeed!
I’m so glad this is entertainment now days
Kort's First Combo took so much thought, timing and skill?? and he nailed it first try?? i thought that was a 10 all around what
The judges' reactions are just the best. D1 is amazing xD
Thank you for not saying any of them are trash *cough* 23% of this comment section *cough*.
D1’s hair gets a 10
Holy shit these combos are so much better than last year. Prince had no competition but now i feel like he's gotta step it up.
all of these combos have been the work of an Enemy: Stand.
Boom gets less hairy every year
Coldfacekiller ColdFire I can't believe it it's like he's an actual ageing human being
Henry VE it’s because he cuts it off? Not because he is losing it. Durka
Donkey Time my b
Hes gonna have a shaved head next year
Xenaqua Radiation I wouldn’t be surprised
controller cam for next ssc? i was thinking about that for last year to say but not sure this year i really want to see hand movement id honestly like to see controller cam for all major events but for start combo contest controller cam should be good
The 64 combo contest is one of my favorite smash events of the year.
I really like the idea of giving more time for later rounds (especially the finals). The way the elimination rounds are step up now incentivizes the players to front-load their best combos. With more time, players might save their more difficult/spectacular combos for the end.
That link mushroom kingdom combo @ 26:15 was fucking INSANE. The timing is lunacy.
I always look forward to these, and I wish more games had this kind of category
These guys may hit targets that no one can hit, Alvin, Tacos, etc.
Prince hits a target no one can see.