Rack + Seat Pack?! Tailfin AeroPack Review
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- The @TailfinCycling AeroPack is the brand's spin on the traditional seat pack. While it might look complex, it’s actually a rather simple system that offers unmatched stability compared to other cargo options in the category. In this video, Neil shares his thoughts on the AeroPack, how it achieves its stability, the install process, how it rides, and more…
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Outline:
Intro: 0:00
Specs: 1:53
Install: 3:21
Packing: 5:45
Durability and Riding: 7:46
Final Thoughts: 8:58
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Nick here from Tailfin… Neil, thanks so much for the positive vibes 🙌 We really appreciate you taking the time to dig in to the details and put together such a comprehensive review! 🙏
I'm very happy with my Tailfin, but I think the arch length is still a problem. It seems to be ok for some large road bikes with a high top tube, but other than that, the arch seems just too long. This puts the aeropack up higher to the seat, impacting dropper post ability. It also puts the aeropack futher back than it needs to be. Tailfin have so many options for attaching the rack to different bikes, I do think a different length arch should also be one of them. A shorter arch than current, could still be made to fit larger bikes by a longer QR bracket, which already bolts on to the bottom of the arch.
My aeropack seat clamp came undone while riding recently and the gravel rash wore a hole in the bag material. I put my aeropack on carefully, but it must have been my mistake. Tailfin helpdesk suggested some Tenacious Tape, and that seemed to work well as a patch. I was quite surprised though that when I repaired this hole, I also noticed a lot of other holes by looking inside the dark bag in a strong light. Clearly I've given it a hard time somehow, despite trying to be careful with it.
The aeropack is expensive, but it is very well engineered and manufactured. It just works.
@@PMcKay00 Hi Peter, thanks for your message.
Firstly, agree that in time we could launch some different sized arches to give an wider range of compatibility. It’s on the horizon once we’ve launched other upcoming products.
I’m sorry - you had an issue you an issue with seatpost clamp. I wonder if maybe the secondary locking mechanism didn’t engage somehow? If you think there are some issues with the bag it’s aged excessively quickly then please get back in touch and mention this comment.
Is it waterproof during a good rainy day or more days please ??
Just bought mine after seeing many Tailfin on Pan Celtic Race in July 23. I’m 100% convinced from my usage so far that this is way better than the Apidura seat post bags I have used for many years. Wish I’d known about it earlier !! The only extra I would like to see is a stiff plastic insert at bottom to the bag (sport kit bags have them) to avoid any potential damage to the bottom of the bag itself.
I’ve shown my set up & recommended the Tailfin to 3 riders who have each bought an aeropack ☺️👍🏻
I just cycled from Sweden to the UK on the NSCR with this system! (Aluminum version with bosses for my Salsa cages). All I can say is, ROCK SOLID!!! ✊
How did you bike across the ocean to get to the UK ?
@@adammackenzie really carefully
Is it waterproof during a good rainy day or more days please ??
I wasn't totally convinced by this system but knowing how much Neil like's riding singletrack, I'm officially converted.
One HUGE benefit of the tailfin is swapping it from bike to bike which I do daily from my gravel bike to my fat bike to my wife's bike. It takes a few seconds and is so delightfully easy.
Is it waterproof during a good rainy day or more days please ??
Very impressive design and well thought out mounting options. Kudos!
That's a pretty awesomely figured-out design - every fitting issue you could think of addressed and very neatly..
I've had my (carbon) aeropack for two years, bikepacking mostly on rough-as singletrack here in New Zealand. I too was anxious about hinged things and fail points. Other than losing those annoying plastic bushings (now solved with a drop of super glue), I've had no failures at all. Before the Tailfin, using Tubus Logo rack and either Ortlieb backpacking panniers or a Sealine dry bag, I regularly had bags fall off and would lose a bolt or a nut every few days. One other thing I've noticed is much less wear on the frame compared both to my previous systems or my son's conventional seat pack
Thanks for your feedback, lots of folks might find this helpful.
haha I did the exact same thing with my plastic bushings for the same reason.
@@kidShibuya I'm not sure they even sell replacements any longer (and it cost me about $30 NZD to get them sent out here) so we should all look after those rare bits of plastic (maybe I'll add another drop of super glue).
I have been looking forward for a review on this Tailfin. Now, I am convinced. I better understand the setup. It will be perfect since I am short.
you od great reviews, and it helps when you review something of quality that you use regularly.
I commute more than i camp with my bike. so anything other than a seat pack is a great improvement. you do great reviews, it helps when you review something of quality that you use regularly.
I've had my Tailfin for 2 years now and use it for bike packing adventures and commuting. If I had to start buying from scratch, other than my bike, the Tailfin is the first thing I would buy. It is expensive but really great.
Is it waterproof during a good rainy day please ??
@@hakimh4182 Yes, it is completely waterproof. I have never had any issues in the rain.
i love the tailfin system. i use it for my daily commute and pack laptop, change of clothes, locks, etc in the panniers or aeropack. super stable and super awesome customer service
Had the alloy rack (removable trunk bag) version with pannier mounts since last year and love it. I use the trunk bag for fast/fun day-rides and overnighters and the Tailfin panniers for bigger rides, commuting or ride-leading where I'm carrying larger first aid packs and other support gear. Being able to remove the rack in seconds and swap in a road wheelset also means I can convert to club-run mode in less than a minute. Not cheap but beautifully designed & made and by far the most versatile system around
I’ve always thought the Tailfin system, although expensive, justified the price with great design and robust build quality. Your review is helping me to save my pennies and finally buy one.
Although I haven't used my tailfin ( Carbon Rack & AP20 trunk bag) on my mountain bike yet, I've done a fair ammount of 100k commutes with it on my road bike. I absolutely love it!
The whole thing is rock solid and a joy to use. It's really given me new found freedom hauling all my stuff, without the sore shoulders and sweaty back I used to get with my rucksack.
Initially I struggled with shelling out so much money but I haven't looked back. Well worth every penny.
I used one of these on recent multi day road trip in Scotland and it was ace, it was totally waterproof in some pretty atrocious weather. I opted for the separate rack & trunk bag, the rack was bolted to mount points on the frame with a drop of loctite on the threads. This was the right choice for me as it meant I could easily unclip the trunk and take it into B&B, clipping back on was easy as well. If you want easy access to the trunk whilst its on the bed I'd recommend getting the extender so the bag is not stuck under the saddle.
I have the Tailfin system plus their designated mini panniers on both my commute cum gravel bike and my adventure/bikepacking bike and they are bombproof. By far the best system on the market, seat bags are a nightmare difficult to access gear, to mount and all that unnecessary movement, this system eliminates all that.
You can even get extensions for the Pannier mounts, so I can fit my Ortlieb Gravel bags if I want a different option or more capacity.
The quality and construction is awesome....buy one and you will never go back.
It’s a great product. Had mine a few years and it’s the small design details that elevate it above a normal rack and bag option. On mtb’s you do need to check compatibility as it won’t fit on a Yeti
Great video, as always, Neil. I'd be curious to hear a more direct comparison of this vs your pronghorn dry bag on the Tumbleweed T Rack that you've used on a few trips recently.
Isn’t the pronghorn a handle bar mount? Apples and oranges
Thanks. I've been waiting to see a review of this by someone who is using a dropper. Cheers.
I have used my carbon tailfin to cycle on many multi day trips around Japan. It's a great product.
Is it solid? Not worried about shocks against carbon? Do youbthink aluminium is more solid ? Thanks
I LOVE this bag. This makes so much sense. I hate the seat bag that wags around. I also don't love the rack. This is the perfect compromise. It's pricey but I can't wait to get one.
Take a look at the Woho stabilizer - it has solved this for me. Plus, 2 water bottle mounts :-)
I've been using a tailfin AP20 trunk bag and carbon arch with long top stay as my commuter and bike packing set up for a year. Basically an aeropack but the rack and pack are separate It's been dry in all weathers including pissing rain, super easy to use and durable. Nothing has broken and I haven't been nice to it. I use it on my daily commuter with a 12x142 rear and my plus MTB with 12x148 rear boost using the same thru axle with just a spacer, since they have the same thread pitch. The arch and rack clear a 29x3 plus tire without issue.
It is so stable that when it's not chocked full of stuff I'll often kick it when I dismount because I forgot it was there.
True it was expensive, but IMHO it read worth it and I will keep buying bits for it to keep it compatible with all my rides.
So good. I am getting one for sure.
I just sprung $725 for the alloy rack with the 20L aeropack plus 2 10L panniers plus the light attachment. I had to gulp at the price but this design stands so far above the other options that I couldn't settle for anything else. Part of the appeal is the versatility. It gives me 40L of packing space for longer sojourns or I can ditch the side panniers for a mere overnight or two jaunt. I really don't like huge side panniers bulging out from the side. This unit is so streamlined, elegant and solid. Kudos to the Tailfin folks for creating a product so attractive that I parted with way more money than I planned to shed.
I have the carbon version with removable bag for some time now. I have the rack mounted almost 100% of the time and add the bag when out for a ride. It is so stable it acts like one with the bike, no delayed movement (mass inertia) which makes the rides awesome. I have lost one rubber bushing but the spare was send almost immediately. That's the only issue I have had in 24 months, oh wait almost 3 years. The moving parts also help with the flex of the frame to still have the comfort. I can really say I like it very much. I use it for my daily rides als storage for (rain) jacket and spares (tube inner tube tools and lock) with room to spare for some groceries. As bonus it helps with keeping back dry in the rain ;-) I can really say it's worth the money.
O I forgot I use the paneer bag with vaude laptop insert for my commute. Even in the Dutch rain it keeps it all dry.
@@robertblacquiere9508thanks, which insert is that?
@@robertwilliammayers It we’re the inserts on the axle clamp. They ensure rock solid mounting.
Looks like a great option. Would be nice for bike commuting as well!
Ordering! Thank you.
Would love to see the full suspension set up
Did they make an video about Full suspension yet ?
Awesome review. Another vote here for some real-world experiences with this on a full-suspension bike and how suspension performance is affected, especially as weight increases, and if the tradeoffs are worth it vs a saddle pack. Amazing system and looks like everything they make is well thought-out. Or you can send me one and I'll do a review!
You took the longer extender?
Great review on this one! Still hesitant though if I should go for the Aeroe Spider or AeroPack...which one would you choose? :) Thanks!
Best Rack out there. Thought through and it’s a solid piece of kit.
Hey Neil, very insightful overview. So you're using the Aeropack with the Trunk bag integrated, or the Aero Rack with removeable Trunk bag. I'm much more intrigued by the latter and wonder what's your take in them in terms of durability and rattle-free-ness?
Great video as always.
Have you used the newer rack model? Looks intreresting to be able to take of the bag, but Im worried it will rattle when going of road.
Therea are several drwaback when you use it on road /gravel bike frame, if ruidec is medium to short tall, mounting to the seat post would not allow to extend full capacity of pack, because it has to have clearance under seat.
My fork has no water cage mounts. Looking at this for the water cage mounts as a huge bonus to normal seat pack
I think I've seen you on the spearfish quite a few times. Have you been able to find a way to mount the tailfin on that? I found the 157 spacing with the added width of the frame due to the pivot made it too wide to work.
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Just passing that information along in case you were not aware.
I'm sold
I have one with gravel bike and commuter one...and genial
This looks like bikepacking evolves back to traditional touring. I went on my first tour in the last millenium and I have taken so much stuff out in the wild. I know I am old, but despite of that I started loving bikepacking. Bikepacking with light stuff on a light bike, its really fun! If more stuff is on the road I use a bike with Tubus titanium rack with a platform on it. A friend of mine made a platform to take some weight and stabilize the bag thats on it, because the tubus rack is really narrow. With the Tubus titanium its so light and the price was half of that Taifin rack, I paid 200Euro for it. And it looks and seems rocksolid and nothing can fall apart. My choice is clear, because I do not trust straps that show how weak they are.
If you buy the Tubus Airy Rack plus a quality bag you are almost at the price of the tailfin system. Sure you could use a dry bag on top of a rack, but its no where near as elegant or convenient as the tailfin system, neither is it as versatile you would need a bike with eyelets. The tailfin can be adapted almost an bike. If you only own one bike a specific solution for that bike is probably better and more cost effective.
@@The2808erik If you own only one bike without eyelits you are right, there has to be a solution but what would I put on such a bike🤔? a special small bag? Panniers? A rack? I would not. Elegance is always a matter of taste, by the way for me the Titan Airy is "purism" and functional beauty. And there is no problem with bags of all kinds, neither with my really old hard back Vaude Waterproofs from 1998 😄(I am so old) nor with softer bags because the Tubus construction supports really really well. A special bag from tailfin or now Panniers on the tailfin? With weight? On long rides over weeks or month? Tailfin specific bags... Who spends so much money could and should ask for more. The tubus airy is really narow and only a drybag on top is not the perfect solution without extra work. I d not know if its called trunkbag, but these are more beautyful and there are different and affordable bags that need a wider platform that the Airy offers, that can be put on with some handyman work. Instead of a drybag I would prefer a large saddlebag...no rack required. If there are no eyelits, I have bikes without eyelits and they are on duty with other, smaller bags. Tailfin solves problems that have never existed at a high pricepoint. 🙋🏼♀️Liebe Grüße aber der Tailfin Gepäckträger scheint mir sinnlos zu sein.
@@kaffeemitcola6506 What I mean by elegance and efficiency is the fact you can access the contends of the bag easily during the day and it's easy to pack.
A rack with a dry bag is much more faffing around when packing and especially if you need something from the bag during the day. The Tubus airy is nice, but it's only a solution for 1 Bike and decathlon has a 10€ rack with a similar weight if you want to go that route. For me the tailfin is perfect I can swap it to any of my bikes carbon road bike , full suspension mountain bike, hardtail or gravel bike it doesn't matter. This feature alone makes the extra cost worth while. Tailfins panier system is better than Ortlieb or Vaude as well. It does not rattle and is much simpler. Different people require different solutions. I like to get as much riding time out of the day as possible.
@@The2808erik Its Ok that everyone finds her or his solution. When I make a desion to go on a journey I use my bike for journeys and it has a fixed rack and I would not swap it out to a tailfin rack. I am not convinced of that tailfin stuff. The example here might work well compared to a long saddlebag with heavy stuff in it that dangles around. But its a special small bag that needs a special rack. Panniers: I really question if the tailfin system is better than Ortlieb or Vaude bags because they are very universal and addaptable and have a really long lifespan. The small mounting area of the panniers of the tailfin is like a pivot wich always means a high load on material and stress. It has to prove its quality throuout the years and if someone thinks its his part, thats OK. I am pretty sure that riders who go on tours for weeks and months will not use this. And usually carbon stuff disappears after a couple of years by different reasons but that is another topic. A 10Euro Decathlon rack? Are you serious?I think bike parts should last as long as possible.
I have the 16L Revelate Spinelock. How does the Aeropack compare? I like the spinelock because it's rock solid, but doesn't have to attach to the drop outs. Thanks.
Sweet. Wonder if it'd fit my fatbike at 26x4.2/29×2.8 ?
Very helpful review Neil. Have you tried it with your full suspension MTB? Even with the extender I would think the bag would hit the saddle when the suspension compresses. Looking for a good high volume solution for my full suspension MTB since there’s no room in the frame.
Full sus test coming, I’ll be doing a rack/full sus video soonish.
@@BIKEPACKINGcom I was actually thinking the tailfin rack without the seat pack but with panniers might work better for Full suspension MTB - more clearance when suspension compresses.
@@djl1228 the Aeroe spider rear rack could be a better option for a full sus. Definitely worth a look
@@FatTraction Yes considering the Aeroe Spider as well. Not sure if it can be fitted on carbon seat stays.
How would it compared to the Ortlieb Fast Rack and a dry bag? Or a rack top bag?
Awesome rack and review. Thanks for for the info share.
That looks pretty sweet. Expensive, but when compared to how many other bags to be able to carry stuff on my full suspension it doesn’t seem so bad. I also like the idea of being able to put a little more junk in my trunk ..
One thing I didn’t hear you say (but may have missed): why do this over a standard seat bag? Volume? Ease of attachment? Stability? All of the above?
full use of dropper post travel, stability, and still more carrying capacity.
Yes - all of the above. Plus full dropper range.
I have this pack. Yes, it's breathtakingly expensive, but it works better than any other bikepacking/touring system I've ever tried. Once you set it up, it's really easy to attach and use, and it's so stable and well balanced that sometimes I forget it's even there. Assuming it doesn't break (I've only used it this summer), I tentatively think it's well worth the money.
I don’t think it’s a reinterpretation of a seat pack. More a reinterpretation of an 80s era rack trunk. Either way, good design then and a good design now.
hi, i do mtb travels with Ortlieb panniers in the back. i know that Tailfin has adapter pieces to fit the Ortlieb bags, or others, but how about this setup in rough terrain? Altough i ride much slower with a lot of luggage, also to spare the wheels etc
My wife has a 52cm Cutthroat. She has trouble getting her leg over the ortlib seat bag shes been using. How do you think the Tailfin setup would be?
I love it. I love everything TailFin. They're the nest in most of they do - and are up there with the best in some the things they produce. Two caveats, though: 1. They're just too expensive. 2. Some batches and some iterations of some of their products have issues (i.e., too much resin and not enough fibre in some of the racks; the Super Lightweight panniers are extremely prone to tears; the top strut retaining clips will invariably detach and be lost (this has now been redesigned, but I'm a bit sceptical of the rubber o-rings (that replace said clips) ability to withstand torsional forces with the panniers mounted; the rubber spacers for the axle clamp tend to detach as well when removing the rack).
But even so, I can't stress enough: as of today, no manufacturers' products quite match the elegance of a bikepacking or cycle touring carriage system as TailFin (idem, the Route Werks for handlebar luggage, despite the couple of flaws of their own). The TailFin pannier mounting mechanism beats all of the competition, as do their elegant and relatively light carbon racks and the AP20 / AeroPack. They're top-notch in almost every way. And their 27kg total load capacity even exceeds (if by a hair!) the Tubus Airy's, while matching the aesthetic of a carbon bike much better.
Have you tried mounting this on a Full Sus MTB? Thanks.
I have a Specialized Kenevo SL. 17mm travel full suspension and a carbon frame. How would this system work on my bike?
I like this rack and it looks better designed than any other rack that I have seen. Most of the time, I get a rack that interferes with my ride. I believe it’s a piece of equipment that’s worth the extra cost!
I really like that design, but definitely not the price. Thanks!
What about changing rear flats?
I mean it looks like it's a nice piece of kit that solves some issues, but $450 for something that any rack and a dry bag strapped to it could do?? I'm not so convinced.
(Not that I was ever going to spend $450 on an accessory lol)
But racks are not bike packing. I have had panniers on my mountain bike for 35 years :)
@@bindingcurve since when are racks not bikepacking? You can still be light and fast with a basic rack. And still explore the same rugged places.
@@Filte I was being sarcastic. I used to camp off a bike in the 90s " I have had panniers on my mountain bike for 35 years "
@@bindingcurve Just give it eight more months they’ll come full circle to a rear rack with a trunk bag (50 year old man rant over) lol
@@davenardone2048 35 year old man here. I dont get it either. But the ways of consumer capitalism are mysterious to me.
I think the aero spider would be mu go to over this if running a dropper now.
Is this compatible with 135x9 quick release with no fender mounts?
Could you please please do a video in some differently fully suspension bikes ?! Or where can I find it ?
Looking for this too. It looks like this won’t work on full squish unless that Mount at the seat post pivots easily, which doesn’t look to be the case.
Has anyone used this rack (with pannier mounts) + their cargo cages? It looks like the pannier mounts would interfere with being able to carry longer items like a fly fishing rod tube or tent poles.
would this work with a deep aero seatpost like the Madone SLR?
Tailfin recommended I use the universal axle for my (Super Boost) ‘21 XL Salsa Spearfish, but I can’t close the dropouts without removing one of the bushings and clamping metal on metal - can anyone help?
The one downside of this over my terrapin is that it's nice to be able to remove the dry bag and access it in my tent's vestibule to keep everything dry if I'm in a downpour.
Agree! I have an Apidura 17l seatbag and all in-tent stuff is in there (clothes, sleep kit, etc). This way I pack everything up in the tent in the morning / throw the seatbag in the tent in the evening.
A detachable bag on the Aerofin would be perfect (but probably more moving parts).
Tailfin has an option where the bag part is detachable.
You just take the whole rack and aeropack off via the quick releases when you want to move it. It's very quick and easy to do and the whole thing folds away to take very minimal space.
If you really want to leave the arch on the bike then they make a version where the bag and rack are separate. Personally I'm very happy with my Aeropack.
Did you tried out the side panniers aswell?
I have them, but yet to try them. that’s for another review.
And here we start to "back pedal" to the traditional but less sexy rear rack with bag on top at twice the cost and maybe even heavier? Where is this going?
My Chumba Stella has one mount….on a downstay. What measurement is required to determine size? What am I missing here?
No mounts needed for the tailfin.
What's the rack shown at 6:42? It looks like a less cool, [probably] cheaper version off the tailfin
Tumbleweed T-rack
What is the frame bag on the blue bike in the video?
Rogue panda custom frame bag. roguepanda.com
where is the nice henley from? :)
It’s a Kitsbow. www.kitsbow.com/collections/mens-collection/products/escalator-merino-henley?variant=39476734525475
@@BIKEPACKINGcom Thank you so much :>
thing is if you use an Old Man Mountain Divide rack with a 20l sea to summit or pellican dry bag, its lighter, tougher, more versatile and can be set up actually out of the way of your dropper seat.
While some of what you say is true, it’s definitely not lighter, especially when you add the bag, straps, and mounting hardware.
That's actually a lot heavier.
i got it but in prefer new ortlieb quick rack.
arch is too tall, it's weird using it under the seat.
frame mount only...
Had one of these for years. You don't need to do it up so tight around the seat post. It's not going anywhere. Doing it up too tight will just wear out the strap like yours looks like
Are you using an aero pack with a dropper?
@@BIKEPACKINGcom no dropper. I have the bag separate from the rack. I did it up tightly to begin with and had it fail once, but ever since I make a point of just doing it up lightly. Just enough to keep it clipped securely but doesn't need to be tight.
I use a 7 dollar rack and straped 14 dollar saddle bag on it. Problem solved
If modern gravel bikes would just come with normal mounting points for a rack, then you would not need a tailfin rack. How long before bike manufacturers figure this out....
Many modern gravel bikes do have front and rear rack mounting points. Check the Niner RLT 9 RDO for one example.
While this looks good, i think that using a regular rack and strapping a drybag or bag to it is cheaper and more versatile, maybe even sturdier.
Having just ridden 550km on extremely rough trails with a tailfin set up, I’d never swap it out for a conventional rack for this kind of riding again. It’s so rock solid and easy to access and fit to the bike, whereas racks always seem to have sway and more bulk. It’s really decent.
totally agree. also will be lighter (my rear rack ~600g, dry bag ~300g) total 900g.
@@vyusseem The heaviest aeropack is the aluminum with pannier mounts and it comes in at 908g.
Exactly my thought.
Why is this upvoted? Its nonsense. The tailfin bad is mechanically connected, its solid and going nowhere. I take long trips around Japan and there is no way I would have anything other than my tailfin. Straps? Zero chance.
Panniers>Rear Rack>Bikepacking Seatbag>Rear Rack>Back to Panniers next? 😅 ☯️
Add the Rack and then the top bag that is over $500 ... sorry but I don't think that compressible 20L bag is worth $210 ....
This is basically a rear rack and trunk bag, right? I get that it's more about the features and materials but come on.
Are you asking a question or are you upset about something?
When part of the enjoyment of cycling is buying new things. Otherwise,over priced and trendy, just like the seat pack was..
You’re not convinced, noted. I would say half are, half are not…
Just... just get a rack and a 20 liter drybag.
I'm sorry but you have to admit that the value for money for most of these trendy bikepacking products is absolutely terrible.
Cargo system? Stop with the crazy gimmicks already. A regular rear bike rack does the same and alot more for less cost.